bleh at that price, if Intel even prices it's Penryn C2Q's higher then it is now, it'll still be cheaper

That's marketting to you. From what I've gathered, AMD's gonna ship to their paymasters first which are Dell and Compaq (Which in the process is gonna starve the market as it is) and then see what they can salvage at retail front IF and only IF the price point is revised

And that's a big IF since we don't really know the real world crunching numbers and latency of Nehalem since if Intel gets it right (I'm not the betting person, but if I did, I wouldn't bet against it) we're going to see another major leap forward. As it is with Conroe/Penryn still utilising traditional NB mem controller interface to do the work and yet negate most if not all integrated mem controller's "real-world" advantages, what more if they successfully implement it and take advanatge of their large cache technology

1. Quadfather never even took off since the moment Intel scared everyone with Skulltrail (Which is just a showoff to AMD)
2. Like yeah right, 40% over what?
3. Now that's one argument which bedazzles me. Truth is, how many of you even really pushed a C2Q on a day to day basis? Real-world gains and lower energy usage issues are more relevant to the end-users. crist AMD
4. Black edition = last ditch effort to add more bling...nuff said
5. Enuff said over Spider. It's pure marketting drama. My guess is it'll phail epically again
6. Yuh controlled "awesome" benchmarks but you still need to download updates and drivers from AMD to optimise it when one can just plug-n-play in an Intel platform
7. No one EXCEPT Tomshardware Group (Teh epic phail review, srysly they ought to be lolled at like FUD and the INQ)

Correction over engineers quote. It should be line the marketting dept up and shoot em's and bring back AMD California to design great CPU's. It's no wonder the great dudes from ATi left recently

Disclaimer: Ain't no Intel fanboy here since I was once faithful to AMD since K6 thru AMD64 (Yes, I used all platforms and bought myself a AXP-M for RM600, sucker right?). Finally gave up when AM2 amounted to nothing at all

This post has been edited by almostthere: Nov 29 2007, 08:17 PM

I can't disagree with you on that but one has to consider the fact what with Intel forging ahead with larger cache at L2 instead of going L3, and at the same time developing tech which negates or reduces the latency associated with large cache, it's hard not to be imginative with what may possibly be achievable once implementation of integration is achieved and if it's inline with what the goals of HTT 2.0 are, we may see greater bandwidth being made available altho by right current microproc designs being churned out by Intel aren't that memory hungry (Correct me if I'm wrong, getting forgetful nowadays). And with that, it's possible a substantial if not leapfrogging evolution of micro-p architecture at consumer market level. As for Northwood, I can't personally agree it's a failure since it did serve it's purpose well eventhough it close to it's design limitation. Prescott and subsequently Cedar Mill should be the one's to be considered the real flops as Intel chose to prolong a design which was fast running into a performance-per-watt wall. IINM, Cedar Mill's heat density scaled to the point that at an equivalent one sqaure meter, it generated enough waste heat equivalent to a small power plant (Thanks to ikanayam for pointing out that fact last time).

As for Bloomfield, from what I heard from the grapevine, that seems to be a stop-gap measure although I can't get nor divulge any further details since it's unsubstantiated and/or it's based on the trust as friends

This post has been edited by almostthere: Nov 29 2007, 11:14 PM

How many times have the INQ created FUD which was irrelevant? Too many times IMHO

You should be more clear on that. FSB @ Front Side Bus stille exists but the difference is that the middle man has been cut out on AMD. But that distinct selling point advanatge will disappear once Nehalem comes on stream later next year. What's next? Possible further integration of further functions. For example NIC interfaces could be one

Bleh a workaround such as that won't fix matters at all. It's just gonna be skirting around an issue which they should have solved long ago what with the delays and all. Guess it's "B3" for those who seriously want decent performance. Sure the TLB issue and degradation of performance may not affect day-to-day usage but it's like saying it's ok not to treat a tumour just because it's not life-threatening

This post has been edited by almostthere: Dec 4 2007, 07:14 PM

delayed for too long and the need to recoup so called costs ASAP would be the general idea

you think AMD can afford to respin a new silicon wafer after putting so much development into ti?

This post has been edited by almostthere: Dec 7 2007, 10:50 PM