Let's continue with the discussion.

Previous thread can be found here : http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/456301


Currently available Geforce 8-series DX10 card in the market nowadays:-

8500GT 256MB DDR2 @ 128bit
8500GT 256MB DDR3 @ 128bit
8600GT 256MB DDR3 @ 128bit
8600GTS 256MB DDR3 @ 128bit
8800GT 256MB DDR3 @ 256bit
8800GT 512MB DDR3 @ 256bit
8800GT 1GB DDR3 @ 256bit
8800GTS 320MB DDR3 @ 320bit
8800GTS 640MB DDR3 @ 320bit
8800GTX 768MB DDR3 @ 384bit
8800 Ultra 768MB DDR3 @ 384bit

Drivers that aspect ratio scaling can work using WS LCD with 8X00 series GPU.

Windows XP - Forceware 96.89 - Download Link

Windows Vista - Forceware 101.41 - Download Link

Latest Forceware Drivers

Windows XP -ForceWare 168.18 WHQL 32bit - Download Link Updated 14/7/07

Windows Vista - Forceware 163.11 WHQL 32bit - Download Link Updated 14/7/07
Windows Vista - Forceware 163.11 WHQL 64bit - Download Link Updated 14/7/07

Utilities

RivaTuner v2.02 - Download Link Updated 14/7/07
ATi Tool 0.27 b2 - Download Link
nTune 5.05.47.00 - Download Link Updated 14/7/07
Coolbits 2.0 - Download Link

Benchmarks

Call of Juarez DirectX 10 - Download Link
NVIDIA Demo: Human Head - Download Link
Lost Planet - DirectX 10 Game Demo - Download Link
Futuremark 3DMark/PCMark Download Page - Download Link
Real-Time High Dynamic Range Image-Based Lighting - Download Link Added on 3/8/07 [Thanks to aidlover & mADmAN]

Patches

Vista Compatibility & Reliability Patch 32bit - Download Link Added on 3/8/07
Vista Compatibility & Reliability Patch 64 bit - Download Link Added on 3/8/07

Others

Microsoft DirectX 9 & 10 August 2007 - Download Link Added on 3/8/07 [Some new games would need this installed]
NVIDIA overscan compensation Fix - Download Link Added on 3/8/07
8800 Fan Speed guide - Webpage Link Added on 3/8/07 [Thanks toa aidlover& mADmAN]

This post has been edited by Hyde`fK: Oct 12 2007, 11:56 AM

lets start off with a news

G92 is said to be 8700GTS, 65nm, 256bit bus, 8 layer pcb and 512MB GDDR3 1ns ram

good spec to fill gap between 8600 series and 8800 series

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Nvidia_G92...0_GTS/5236.html

, and the price of new 8700GTS should be lower than current 8800GTS and slightly over 8600GTS

all hail the new tred

as from previous post in V2...

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=13125769

the ar5211.sys crashed bsod solved by removing the wifi nic but the gpu still can't work in its factory oced speed (550/900), it still freeze up during atitool 'show 3d' and 'artifact scan'... lowering it too stock 8800gts speed (500/800), problem solved... while running atitool in 550/900 speed, it does show some bsod before it restarts, but it just to quick to even be notice... anyway i can know wat's the problem???

i want the card to work in it's factory oced speed... the core i can set till 600mhz trouble free, it juz the stooooopid vram...

should i juz send it back for RMA??? or maybe vmod (pencil) the vdimm can help solve my problem??? i can't find many factory pre oced 8800gts with 900mhz ram speed... funnily, i can run all 3dmark05 n 3dmark06 trouble free... but gaming is a no no... i'm trying to avoid the RMA route as much as possible, coz it might takes me weeks for it to come back...

btw, knows wher to get this cooler??? i wanna use it with my swiftech mcw60-r wc gpu block... it looks much nicer n maybe can secure to the card easier n stronger than my current heat sink... tq...

Zalman ZM-RHS88



This post has been edited by HaHaNoCluE: Sep 6 2007, 02:10 PM

@HaHaNoCluE
what card are u using again??? brand and edition (if any) pls.

That's bad news. Was hoping for a next gen card that is able to beat the 8800GTX/ultra......

The fact of the matter is that the card can't run at it's predetermined OC speed. And as such, should be considered defective. Don't forget that there could be some other problems with the card which is not yet noticeable.....

Have you thought of flashing the BIOS?

I am using a Dell Dimension 1520 laptop. Where can I get the latest Nvidia 8600M GT graphics drivers? I can't play the new Bioshock PC demo because it requires the latest 163.44 Forceware drivers. I searched high and low but can't find it anyway... why should this ever happen? It's an Nvidia product and hence, shouldn't there be support for it?



ps: has the price of ANY 8800 GTS dropped yet...??

This post has been edited by Games For Windows: Sep 6 2007, 02:38 PM

take note that the bioshock driver is a BETA driver and not WHQL.

go to nvidia.com

click on download driver...then click on beta driver.

also, try going to dell.com and search for ur drivers there.

ps: no

Behold the "Octopus Waterblock"

Hold On, wrong pictures. Please refer to post #20.

This post has been edited by Hyde`fK: Sep 6 2007, 03:11 PM

Although its not WHQL, this is the 'latest' from Nvidia [Forceware 163.44] which is find to improve performance in Vista particularly when playing Halo 2 and Shadowrun.
http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_bioshock_downloads.html

How about nvidia website?

No, the prices hasn't dropped yet.

Anyway, for those deciding on whether to get the 8800GTS 320mb or 640mb, here's another reason why the 640mb might be better : http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/biosho...mance/page7.asp

@Hyde`fK
saw that octopus a loooooooooooooonnngg time ago...but it aint for 8 series man

still very sexy though

Extraordinary design...

Noted. I haven't update for quite some time.

Looks cool. However, my first thought was that the potential for leaking is much much higher!!!

That's not for Geforce 8 GPU, I mislook on it. I try to find the one for Geforece 8 one first.

Yeah. Downloaded WHQL / Beta, none of the drivers work. It simply says 'hardware not supported' or not recognised. Googled around and found many users having the same issues. The documentation that comes with the Forceware drivers DO NOT put 8600M in their list. This is worrying.

Anyways, as for the 8800 GTS, I am planning of getting the 320Mb version due to my display resolution. Mine goes upto 1280x1024 only, and not 1600x1200. I know the GPU will go superbly with my 3.2GHz Pentium D dual-core and 2Gb memory with Vista ultimate. However the price is just staying... paying RM1k+ for a GPU is quite a pain... [I am using a 7800GTX, which cost me a lot last year]. I thought of getting 8600 GT or 8600 GTS, but it would be almost downgrading my computer.

That is meant for use witht eh Zalman heatpipe cooler. Most likely comes as a set with teh cooler only.




U guys playing Bioshock, dont forget that after installing 163.44 drivers, u need to Hotfix ur Windows Vista too. There's 4 of them. U can get the Hotfixes on the same page as the 163.44 beta driver in nvidia site. 1 very important Hotfix is for SLi users as sumtimes the rig runs on only 1 card so u need the Hotfix to make sure both cards running.

OK. Here's the real thing.

Ketchak Evo-88 GTS Bloque GPU Waterblock








Source:
Cooling-Masters.com
&
DevilMaster.org

it's a galaxy 8800gts 320mb oc edition (factory oced at 550/900)... i've been using several pre oced gpu from galaxy n this is the 1st time a galxy card can't do wat it's been labeled...

hmmm, i can't find a bios update for my gpu... i've emailed galaxyetch but no reply... i guess their support oso like dat only...

it's an optional part for the new zalman VF1000 cooler... it looks nice n with simple cutting here n there, i think it can fit to use with my wc block...

okie...now thats sexy too!!!

@HaHaNoCluE
i guess RMA is ur best option man....sorry to say.... but what kmarc said. if it cant run at the predefined speeds, then its considered defective.

if that's the case, try sending your card back for a RMA.. if it still doesn't work when it comes back, then it's something else..

so even after you removed/reinstalled (drivers) for your WiFi card, it still freezes/BSOD's?


well.. in time to come, i'm sure they'll make something powerful out of the G92! it's just a matter of waiting..



wow now that's sweeeeeeeeeet.. but too bad i'm not particulary interested in WC, or else..

that octopus is the best WC block i ever see. too bad i dont even have 8800 lol

I just bought 8500GT sonic 256MB DDR3 but when I check using this website http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/referrer/srtest, why it shows 512mb?

becoz got 512mb version.. normally use ddr2

that means srlab not updated larr dier punye hardware.. that's y

you check yourself larr your card, using everest or sorts..

bro..this card is not for beating 8800 series laa..is jus fill in the gap between 86 and 88 series like previous 79gs..same time ATi aso gona release 2900pro..hot fight

Yeah, that's why I said it is bad news......

Anyway, I just got a reply from ASUS regarding downclocking the card. They said can use 3rd party software to downclock (which I already knew!!! ). Had to ask them again whether it is safe to downclock the card in 2D mode (as the voltages are still the same).....

320MB can't even handle Call of Juarez at 1280*1024 DX10, or 1280*1024 DX9 with AA nicely.
Seriously suggest that you don't.

Or better wait for 8700GTS with 512MB

Slideshow.

96 Nvidia SPs are the least ammount needed to run CoJ nicely.

ready ur money for G98 lor..soon coming

WTA Should 8600GTS be a wise decision 2 buy?
coz im planning 4 future SLi upgrade
or should i wait 4 G9 series?

if can wait then wait lo.. but if keep waiting then end up buying nothing lol.. but honestly, i will choose to wait for the game and benchmark come out atm.. cos we still dunno how good can the new dx10 card perform...

GalaxyTech has finally reply me... well, let see if they can supply me with a bios that maybe i think can fix my issue here... i fixed my 7950gx2 (artifacts) with a bios update last time...

Aa ha.... well then I will use 640x480 or 800x600... with AA
I enjoy playing games even at 640x480 or 800x600 WITH AA, the graphics on screen look a bit blurrish, further taking away 'jagged' looks, fine example is DiRT which I just can't stop playing.

First, I thought of getting an 8600 GT... I was told not to... get the 8800 GTS 320Mb
Then, I finally decided its the 8800 GTS 320Mb I should get after various reviews and feedbacks
Now, even the 8800 GTS 320Mb isn't good enough? Nothing will ever be good enough except two 8800 Ultra in SLi mode

I ain't rich... and 'affordability' is one the buying points here, the 320Mb 8800 GTS almost fits my budget, almost, not quite just yet... anything more expensive and I would just say sayonara and grab an 8600 GT/GTS...

seriously..... the 320mb is good enough la....imho more than enough for anything below 1680*1050

imho u should set a budget/ target, get the best u can get...and work around it.

and FYI, ive played Dirt with high settings on 1680*1050 on a SINGLE 320mb. looks fine to me. no lag etc etc.

Have you considered 2nd hand 8800GTS 320mb? Selling for <1k in garage sales. What's your budget anyway?

yeah..nowadays seems more and more people selling their GTS...maybe preparing for 9series edi?? xD

what a best nvdia graphic card i even c ^^

@Games For Windows

If you want to run games smoothly, 8800GTS 320MB would seriously be considered. 8600GT/GTS performs 1/2 of 8800GTS performance in most cases. Like what kmarc said, get a 2nd hand from garage sales.

yup. cause 8600gt is 128bit...
There is a void between 8600gt and 8800gts. Pockets not deep, therefore I chose 8600gt

just get the 8600gt

or else get the 8800gts

8600gts is not really worth atm (based on price vs performance)...

Unfortunates:
1. 640MB WILL be enough, I saw someone selling a 640MB second hand for RM10++/1100, too late.
2. I might have sold my 2900XT if the newer quieter ones came, but after the FireGL mod... nah.

Wait until the new 9 series comes out then get a 8800 640MB. In the meanwhile, get a 8600GT to resume blurry playing.

Well, money does matter.... For those with tight budget should wait for 8700GTS or HD2950PRO

1 stupid question here..can 7300 run vista?or must buy 8series only can run Vista?

They aren't gonna be cheap; 8700GTS is going to sell at 250USD, 2900Pro might be slower and cheaper, but not 8600GTS cheap.

I think it's pretty reasonable for anyone spending at least RM1000 to spend a bit more so that their card might last longer- with highest settings that it.

ya..i second that...

even 8600gts is some sort of overprice compare wif the performance it brings...

RM850~RM950 for 8700GTS??better buy second hand 8800GTS that do wonder for most nowadays game...

Your question can be answered here...

http://windows.about.com/od/requirements/f...a_requireme.htm

Cheers

why nvidia wanna launch the 8700gts price so near to the current 8800gts 320mb??? isn't it a bit no so logic??? any idea how much will the 2950pro might cost n when it launch??? the current 2600xt gddr4 doesn't come cheap too...

Because it's trying to compete with the 8800GTS (the fastest ones).


2600XT GDDR4 is RM550. GTS is RM650-750. 8700 is 750-900.
2900 Pro (October, RUMORED FireGL only) is expected to be around RM700-800 (If it comes out) because it's half a 2900XT.
2950 Pro is much later (early January), but it's a new chip and is supposed to bring near 2900XT performance at 200-250USD, competing with the 8700GTS.

This post has been edited by X.E.D: Sep 8 2007, 06:57 PM

wah the head test .. damn lag! on 8600gts

Less than (or close to) RM1,000. That's it.

current 7800GTX - Plays BioShock like a charm in DX9, although 1280x1024 struggles a bit
8600 GT - I could get one right now and turn on DX10 in BioShock, however performance would be lower
8600 GTS - err.. a little faster than the above card
8800 GTS - a hot babe indeed... and DX10 BioShock would be damn gorgeous, however AFFORDABILITY is an issue (still is..)
8800 GTX - yeah right, like that's ever gonna happen TO ME after 7800GTX burnt a big hole in my wallet, no way, no way...

Not just saving to play BioShock better, but Crysis and 2008's Alan Wake
Plus... Vista Ultimate cost me $$$

"...gaming is not cheap on the PC, but rarely has anyone doubted the PC's full potential, ever..."
quoted by me

@game for window
wat is ur current gc ?
interested timeshift?

Currently using 7800 GTX 256Mb...
"Interested timeshift"? Wow, had to figure that out... by what u r asking perhaps December 2007

I would say that 7800GTX is enough for current gaming, if u really wanna change a new GC, why don't u just wait for the new GC that will be release soon? like the ATI 2900pro or the Nvidia 8700 series...

is it nvdia planing to launch their g92 and g98 tis nov? as if they are mid and low end card?i was planing to get ultra or gtx...but with this news i am not sure will it effect...as g90 is not yet release...might be at Q1 08....confuese

This post has been edited by intothefantasy: Sep 9 2007, 02:20 AM

Errr.... 7800GTX is more than enough for current games.

If you read reviews on Bioshock and DX10, the only difference between DX10 and DX9 in that game is the soft edges. Other than that, there are no other noticeable differences.

My advice is to wait for newer DX10 games that take advantage of DX10 features e.g. crysis....

News is saying that they will launch the G92 first, to fill the gap between the 8600 and 8800 cards. As such, they are supposed to be slower than the 8800 series GC....

If the performance gonna outperform the 88GTS then its worth RM1k++. But its for midrange market anyway so it mean to be priced at midrange level like 8600GTS launch about RM800++.

They will obviously not be 8800GTS fast.
Remember nVidia + ATI trying to milk so much out of the DX10 midrange market?

8700 will probably have 64 stream processors instead of 96/32 of 8800/8600, speeds might be a bit higher, but performance will not touch 8800.

The superoverclocked ones might overtake the stock 8800, but as you know, there's overclocked 8800s too.

7800 GTX's performance is awesome, but DX10 games (that I have thus far)...
Company of Heroes
BioShock
Flight Sim X DX10 patch

I just don't understand... why these guys release DX10 GPUs when there are so little games to take advantage of...
I read http://www.gamespot.com/features/6177688/p-5.html
and found that THE ONLY noticable difference between DX9 and DX10 in BioShock are that the water effects are slightly different...

DX9 first picture, DX10 second picture

DX9 and DX10 in Bioshock is barely noticable, heck I can even bet most people won't be bother with the details when they are playing the game. DX10 still have quite a long way to go because developers know how to fully utilize it, its still not as mature as DX9. I wonder if that will totally change once the 9 series comes out.

but who will buy new DX9 GC atm?

all will rush for DX10 card for sure.

it's not about the diffrent, just following the trend

Yeah, that's the reason why I think you can still wait. I'm sure crysis would show better utilization of DX10 features....

DX10 is MUCH more obvious than pictures can tell.

Bioshock looks much better in DX10- the lighting's a lot subtler, textures are a little sharper (may be placebo) and the water is much more gorgeous than this.

For now only COJ DX10 that obviously different from its DX9 version. But with no thorough optimization it might be very graphics power hungry.

as i can see , dx9 and dx10 on bioshock not much diff .. , some dx10 lack of AA .
better expect on crysis ..

actually by those pictures alone id rather go DX10 for bioshock than DX9

the difference though subtle...is absolutely gorgeous.

most obvious difference is the water. but if u see the last 2 pix, the shadow on the floor is much sharper in DX10 than DX9

now i just need to find some friggin time to install vista.

This post has been edited by mADmAN: Sep 10 2007, 01:59 PM

actually the water effect for DX9 bioshock is awful. there other DX9 games that have better water effect than this. i think it's just a reason for Irrational to make it look bad on DX9 but fix it a bit on DX10.

the one different i can see is better smoke or transparencies. no more "layer" or smoke. but hardly volumetric to me....

guys...between X2600 XT and 8600GT....
from what i've read..8600GT is better right? i mean..most of them said with AA..8600GT outperforms the 2600XT?

Anyway i think I'll stick to 8600GT in my shopping list.

he u are going for HD video , suggest go for HD2k series . low cpu usage compare to 86
but overall performance (game), the 86 outperform than HD26

8 series will be better. go for 86GTs

which one u prefer?

high scores in benchmark or high fps in games?

personal opinion :

ati perform better in benchmark while in-game nvidia outperform ati (especially when AA turned on)

Can Bioshock run smothly with this rig?
amd athlon 64 x2 4000+
corsair ddr2 667 1gb
asus geforce 8500gt(silent)

thanks!

obviously yes la just need 2 add one more gig ram 4 more raw juice n power

i go for better fps.......


btw in benchmark, i thought Nvidia outperform Ati.......Ati outperform Nvidia in fps........

New beta drivers for bioshock n CRYSIS..~~!!163.67..

This post has been edited by nonamekid: Sep 11 2007, 12:42 AM

Just overclocks ur cpu and the 85gt

new price for 8700gts
512mb $249
256mb $199

In what currency?

is US dollar .
haha , if ringgit malaysia ,

IC. I was hoping maybe Singaporean dollars.....

like that very cheap one..
should be expensive than 8600gts..

i want to ask 2gb of ram get how many benefit on gaming compare to 1gb?
for current and future game ..

for future gaming, if more n more games are exclusive to vista only, then 2gb should be the minimum oredi.

the prices of 512MB is quite close 8800GTS, 8800GTS still more worthy.

how many benefit?
hmm..
i dont think you can 'count' the benefit..
it's more like..you'll 'feel' the feeling of 2gb..

show you same 'benefit' of 2gb...

what the , company of heroes a lot of "benefit " on 2gb above
hmm~ future gaming required minimum 2gb already

2gb is a must for nowadays pc..
there's quite alot of diff changing from 1gb to 2gb..
really noticed it.. especially in FEAR..