intel processors

Intel Core Ultra Desktop (Series2)
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/pro...es-2-brief.html

Intel Core 13th/14th Gen Boxed Desktop Processor Warranty Update
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/sup...processors.html
https://community.intel.com/t5/Processors/A...top/m-p/1620853

The following processors are covered by the warranty extension (five-year warranty)


Windows 11 Supported Intel Processors
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-ha...ntel-processors

Diagnostic and Performance Tools
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/sup...top-boards.html

How to Order a Replacement Intel Inside® Logo Label for a Computer, Laptop, or Intel® Boxed Processor
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/sup...processors.html

This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Oct 25 2024, 10:06 PM

ohhh finally yay

Really needed intel thread as two generation of cpus releasing this year

Intel still relevant now? jk

Intel is the new budget king, with Zen3 having better IPC than Comet Lake in virtually everything, and a shortage of anything from TSMC leading to scalping (including all Zen2/3 CPUs).

old ginger is always spicier. No matter how fast ryzen can be, Intel still gives the best assurance that everything will work as it should.

there are people actually trying to scalp intel too... like selling 10400F for rm900 lmao! little did they not know, lowyat is selling for RM609

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 18 2021, 11:15 AM

Using 10400f budget king

Bought at rm59x

can't cross border due to covid. can only buy from shopee

I got mine from pcimage. I think they have multiple outlets around. Maybe can try asking if there’s one near you.

Can try ask them if they do bankin and postage to you. I bought my RTX3070 from PCimage kota kinabalu via postage. I asked them in facebook on the availability and price prior to order.

how to scalp when intel's supply is good

probably a blessing in disguise on intel since rely on own fab

supply is good but stock is actually still quite limited due to shipping backlogs according to my known sources..... well not just for PC stuff but mainly everything logistics. Alot of sea shipments have issues with port closures and clearances.... so many are using land shipment instead, especially from China.

I consider it as mainstream value king. I asked my friend to pair it with his new RTX 3070 instead of getting overpriced Ryzen 3060

well, If his focus is gaming, then the 10400F will tapao the 3600 in every way... only problem is the z490 mobo is not that cheap if want full performance.. can even get 15-20% more just because of faster ram alone.

The price is a difference if compared to the AMD B450 but actually not much or quite similar if compared to B550.

10400F is indeed a remarkable value CPU, which is funny because the last time Intel was called value king was back in Ivy Bridge....

Also ironic that it took people nearly a year to realize this CPU's potential lol.

well.. back then this CPU is priced at around 800.. and also paired with Z490 (because B460 is not out yet) then the value is rather bad compared to R3600 and B450 (altho B450 compatibility is very janky to zen2).

But now with the price slash to RM680 few months back and now RM609, having launched intel B460/H410 and to have AMD selling B550 at harga yahudi and to add more oil to the fire, raising the price of zen3, everything changed.

When will i5 11400F start selling?
Eager to change PC but Ryzen too dam expensive....

haha I had been telling that last year yet I got flamed hard that time. I was suggesting that the 10400f is a great alternative if you couldn't find the 3600 in stock.

what's the best 11th gen b560 series mobo that can oc ? getting z590 is too over the top

all B560 will have memory overclocking unlocked... as for VRM, judging that you wont be getting K series with B560 mobo, they all should work fine because the non K cpus are running at such crazy high efficiency and low power consumption that even the intel crappy 2cm thick stock cooler can tame it... look at the 10700F

When did you get your RTX 3070, and which model was it + price? Got a friend hunting for a card.

To be fair good Z490 boards still seem to cost more than equivalent B550 boards.

Isn't the 10700/10900 non-K CPUs using the black Intel cooler instead of the standard one, that supposedly has slightly better cooling efficiency too?

B560 is a bit too late to the party with memory overclocking unlocked, considering RKL supports DDR4-3200 out of the gate. And locking B460 out from RKL is disappointing from Intel, considering using those boards with RKL negate many B460's biggest disadvantage with Comet Lake - RAM speeds are capped to the max officially supported RAM speed for the CPU plugged in the socket.

well to be fair, Z490 is meant to compete with X570... and you know their pricing, so z490 is actually rather decent for being 200+ more than a B550 especially those with equivalent VRMs and features.... not to mention Z490 supports gen4, just not on cometlake...

also the cheaper RM600+ z490M with weaker vrm however is more than enough for 10400F and 10700F... just dont expect to run an overclocked 10900K on them (stock is actually fine).

those black coolers only have a copper core which is kinda like the pathetic thinner version of those good ol core 2 quad stock coolers... Expect it to perform just about as good as a wraith stealth which is heaver in weight... but that is already enough to keep the 10700F at about 75-80C... meanwhile a 3600 will thermal throttle 90+C with a wraith stealth.

Zen2/3 vs Intel w.r.t. cooling reminds me a lot of Sandy vs Ivy Bridge - Sandy consumes a lot more power and yet so much easier to cool on air. Even when delidded and IHS to CPU die interface is replaced with LM, it doesn't catch up all the way. The smaller, more compact die can't transfer heat out fast enough. This is why I feel AMD needs to revert to monolithic for 8 or less core CPUs next gen - but who am I kidding, the chiplet design is what allows them to do more binning so their core counts trump Intel in HEDT/servers at less than half the price, and they'll continue to do so next gen for sure.

At last at last, a dedicated Intel thread.

10700k/kf doesn't require extreme cooling.

It was 1-2 weeks before the price getting ridiculous. Got my MSI Ventus 2X 3070 for the base msrp of RM2399. At that same time I could have bought Galax 3080 for RM3569 and PNY 3080 for 3600+ without bundle, there was igame too for around RM3500-3700 on the two different models, and 3090s around 7300-8400

10900K user reporting in.

the Rocket lake 4400Mhz ram is it a big difference in performance vs 3200mhz?

Depends what you define as "big". Big enough to notice? Somewhat but not big enough to call 4400mhz a must have.

will be quite obvious in gaming.. for my 10400F 2666 to 3600mhz, it’s around 10-15% fps increase depending on title... especially the minimum fps which will matter quite alot.

that's because you're from <3000mhz to >3000mhz, that's where the significant difference are, but once you go above 3200mhz, you already reached the point of diminishing returns

I think that is more applicable on ryzen which is reliant to the IF clock ratio. Intel kinda scales better with faster kits thus even 3200mhz to 3600mhz is also quite noticeable on intel... the diminishing returns is more on the cost rather than clock vs performance.... well I could be wrong as i've just started messing with the newer gen intels and just purely based on observation from my ram sticks 2666>3200(xmp)>3600mhz(OC 1.35v)

But if you could get it for free through overclocking then it's really worth the shot trying to hit 4400mhz... provided you could keep the ram cool/stable.

because I remembered 10900k with very high speed RAM can trade blows with zen 3 with the same high speed rams. Way beyond the performance of 3200mhz ram on those systems.

I think on 8700k oced the gaming fps can be like 5% too. So for rocket lake maybe it'll be more noticeable? I saw those ram have prices like ~RM750 for 4400Mhz CL19 8GB x2 sets

This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 19 2021, 04:07 PM

still will get some gains in performance, just it's truly diminishing compared to the jump you get from <3000mhz to >3000mhz
i believe 4400mhz will improve some, but like what SSJBen said, is it "big" enough?
but if can afford it, why not

ts should change name to HYPErThread

yeap, which is why ctsk1 has been saying B560 +11700F (nonK) will be the deal of 2021... just because of the performance gain that can be had from memory scaling.

Just grab a decent 3200mhz stick with decent heatsinks and OC it... it' feels way easier to achieve on intel than AMD .. I got mine to 3933c18 but it needs 1.4v so I dropped it down to 3600c18 1.35v as I wanna keep it at 1.35v.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 19 2021, 04:27 PM

what ram is that and how much did you paid for it?

team vulcanZ 3200cl16 16gbX2... you wont believe it.. i got it around 120sgd. Had used it since these times lol

Yeah, Zen 2/3 ironically becomes a victim of its own success, although to be fair to AMD the current pandemic isn't helping much either

There's also the demand of those Zen 2/3 chips, where they outsell Intel significantly in some markets, even with one of the worst value CPU (the 3600XT):
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Ryzen-5-5600X...y.506725.0.html

Intel's relationship with OEMs and their finances allow them to flood the market with lots of cheap chips isn't helping AMD as well:
https://www.techpowerup.com/278073/despite-...ktop-and-mobile
https://www.techpowerup.com/278430/intel-ap...market-from-amd

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Feb 20 2021, 12:33 AM

The 3600 used to be priced quite competitively, but the issue is low supply + high demand = skyrocketing prices

If and only if Intel allowed memory overclocking on B460, but too bad they just turned down a lot of potential customers due to Intel wanting those customers to go for Z490 boards (which doesn't make sense considering a decent Z490 board costs more than the CPU itself)

The value prospect of the 10400F (or those F series chips) would have been so much better had Intel didn't artificially segment their products in an attempt to upsell customers (same goes to other features, like ECC memory)

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Feb 20 2021, 12:27 AM

competition is always good for consumers, can't wait to see what Intel can offer with Alder Lake.

Zen 4/Alder Lake/Xe discrete GPU could be something very interesting indeed

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Feb 20 2021, 12:23 AM

To be fair though, Zen 2/3 CPUs are known to use its thermal headroom very aggressively, and not to mention the thermal density of 7nm isn't helping much either

which is kinda my point. Intel is not a hot chip despite the tdp/power draw... and is not lacking that much behind in performance especially if you compare 3600 to 10400F and to make it worse for AMD now, 10600KF is the same price as 3600 now after the price slash by intel and inflation by AMD based on MSRP and if you include scalper then it makes intel cheaper... and worse yet, 10700K is now cheaper than the 5600X.



After tweaking my fan to be slightly more aggressive on my 120mm aio because they also act as an exhaust fan... my 10400F gaming temps is now a whopping 45C average. Damn this 10400F really runs cold.... so wish that it is unlocked.

Yeah, but too bad Z490 boards are overpriced compared to B550

Let's just hope that B560 boards are fairly priced

hmmmm not really. there’s z490M that is rm600-800 but is obviously not suitable for 10900K but 10700K is fine.

then in the itx department, a decent B550 is RM900-1.3k. While an insanely speced z490 is around 1.2k-1.3k. and z590 stock already arrived at 1.34k but not for sale yet in lowyat.

Plus dont forget a decent z490 board is very capable to get a 10900k to 5.3ghz and memory to 4000, and it also has rocketlake and pcie gen4 support. Z490 also have generally better vrm than B550.

The only board that makes ryzen reasonable now is B450, but i had a pretty bad experience on the compatibility, especially in the entire ITX lineup with zen2. And wont give much hope with zen3 especially since most of them have very weak vrm and memory circuit.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 20 2021, 01:58 AM

Too bad there's very little decent Z490M boards out there, at least in our market
Seems like mATX is a forgotten form factor for many people out there

IINM some Z490 boards (especially from ASUS) doesn't support PCIe 4.0 due to lack of PCIe 4.0 capable hardware on the motherboard itself?
Correct me if I'm wrong though

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Feb 20 2021, 01:56 AM

A shopee search and you will get plenty of it. There’s actually a pretty high availability for budget z490 atx and matx boards. And what you mean not decent....they are all more than capable of running 10700K and borderline stock 10900K . It’s the same as you wont be running a Ryzen 5900X in a RM800 B550 board as well.

So if you plan to get a 10700F, these budget z490 are more than enough for your extra Ram OC.

yes not all z490 has gen4 so just check on the spec. but most at RM1k will have it, mine included.

I bought my MSI Z490i Unify for RM1.1k... so it’s a total of 1.7k with the RM600~ 10400F. It’s actually cheaper than a 3600+B550i auros pro AX on the price list (msi and asus B550 itx cost more than z490) , and you can buy intel without bundle. AMD all must buy full pc bundle now or pay at least RM300 extra to scalpers.

Because typical intel lansi attitude. They got no one to blame but themselves for people defecting to AMD.

Ryzen wouldn't have been where they are today if Intel did;

- 7th gen didn't get rebadged as 6th gen, sold again for the same price (or higher depends how you look at it)
- 8th gen started using solder on IHS instead of milking it for 9th gen
- 9th gen having the core count of 10th gen
- Coffee Lake was a pointless existence especially when it costs more than Zen 2
- 10th gen actually being Rocket Lake instead

Skylake isn't bad. They just presented and sold it wrongly.

This post has been edited by SSJBen: Feb 20 2021, 02:09 AM

I guess im the odd one who defected to intel after using AMD for more than a year.

I was actually secretly an AMD’s fan boy all the time since athlon64 vs pentium4 and later phenoms and I finally joined the ryzen bandwagon again because it seems promising just to end up getting Royally Fked by AMD with their misleading specs, Unreachable claims and Bullshit parts and software compatibility requirements.

And i feel very guilty now for recommending a batch of AMD machine to a friend’s office who has zero tech knowledge which is also showing signs of WHEA errors. I can only tell her to restart machine whenever it happens.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 20 2021, 02:22 AM

You almost forgot:

1. Intel removes hyperthreading from 9th gen Core i7s (which is a staple on Core i7s for many years), and makes this feature only available on Core i9s (nice way to upsell customers)

2. Making NVME RAID a paid option (via dongle, and hardware DLC anyone?) on X299 platforms, which is quite unacceptable considering how expensive X299 is

Elaborate on this?

IINM Intel is no better though

my years with intel never have issues with whea bsod unlike AMD which need to update bios every 1-3 months and update chipset drivers to hopefully solve the issue.

My personal issue with Ryzen was audio stuttering, gpu pcie stuck at 8x when using B450, random bsod, and randomly crashing... it can be stable for months or it can crash multiple times a day, it can crash during heavy load or when idling doing nothing at all.. just random

already rma the ryzen cpu and changed mobo from B450 to B550, ram, psu also all changed and it doesnt solve the problem. So I narrow down it’s agesa’s problem. That’s why i sold my AMD rig and bought intel 10400F. And I have been stress testing the 10400F since Monday round the clock to make sure it will not have all the rubbish like the ryzen.

At least i know how to tweak a PC.. And I just refuse to run lower than stock settings because that is what i paid for. This is a case of AMD giving unreachable claims and their terrible ram and driver compatibility.

Also especially irritated on the thing that many will say.. why dont I get samsung bdie or hynix C or micron E..... why would I spend RM800 and to hunt on a specific DDR4 die where by it should be stable with any stick as long as it’s a DDR4.

Intel no better? My bootcamp intel macbook pro has not been shutdown/restarted for 2 years because i disabled auto update... that is what i call stable.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 20 2021, 05:27 AM

When i knew about this I felt guilty recommending it to my cousin and friends. Luckily for me, my cousin's 3600 system has no issues, and my friend haven't bought a new pc yet.

budget B560M. that's cheaper than i thought


This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Feb 20 2021, 09:40 AM

b560 motherboard is not budget at all

same lar rog strix B550 can go up to rm1600~

wow RM609 + 340 for a 10400F cpu+mobo.... that’s the same price as a R3600 cpu today

hmm with b560 and 10th gen non K rocket lake cpu, still locked to 2666Mhz or not? If not 3600 dead now, and need to release 5600 fast

The 3600 still needs an aftermarket cooler and a motherboard haha.

This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 20 2021, 10:38 AM

nop, can oc the ram just like on the z490. just the cpu multiplier option will be capped at 43.

wow then the 10400f & b560 rm300+ are the king of the budget build now until rocket lake launches. Plus 3200Mhz ram are so cheap now

This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 20 2021, 10:51 AM

ikr... how the tables have turned lol. not to mention 10400F is actually faster than 3900x in most gaming titles, and only a little behind 5800x for gaming... and 10400F actually has lower power draw and temps..


really good job with 10400F. Only if theyve allowed B460 to memory OC then things will be great earlier.

I kinda can vouch on the gaming performance as my port royale score and timespy graphic score became higher... RDO at st dennis no longer dip down below 60fps as compared to R3600.

and due to the lower power draw, my PSU fan can kinda throw away already lol... A 3080 at max load drawing 350W also not enough to make the psu fan spin.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 20 2021, 11:08 AM

I think because your ram is running at faster speeds too and the 10400f still benefit from that. Is the ram at 1.35 or 1.4v?

1.35v 3600c18.... if 1.4v i can hit 3933c18 on the intel because no IF to kakacaucau on the stability.
But for both ryzen and intel, they are benched with the same ram at 3600mhz. so it’s kinda an equal test.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 20 2021, 11:12 AM

with unlocked ram the 10400f really does fly haha, it's already worth the price with locked 2666Mhz, way better than the slightly cheaper 3300X in both games and multithreaded scores

This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 20 2021, 11:18 AM

but now 10700F is RM1009. it does make one very itchy to go for that instead. with 4.8ghz and 2 more cores... and similar 65w tdp it might slap 5600x even in productivity while costing RM400 cheaper.

I held back my temptation with rocketlake lol.

actually that price is really good, just get a nice B560 board that supports like 150-200 watts pumping the CPU a nice air cooler is enough to keep it at 4.6Ghz all core iinm, and 3200 or 3600mhz ram.

from what i gathered, the crappy stock cooler is enough to keep the 10700F under 90C with avx loads. And for the non K, power is kinda capped at 65w PL1 so most board’s vrm is enough. even H410 boards.

intel’s effeciency under 4.5ghz seems very good. It only starts going out of control after crossing 5ghz.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Feb 20 2021, 01:22 PM

at 65w the all core boost is a bit low, need to run like 125-150w to at least have high boost clock on all cores, and then a decent even cheap aftermarket air cooler will do. But I have no idea if 10700f is soldered or using normal TIM.

This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 20 2021, 01:41 PM

there’s like zero detailed review about the 10700f haha.. apart from some youtube gaming fps figures. But after having this 10400f, I somehow feel the 10700f gonna be some super underated cpu. Which will be kinda putting the rocketlake 11700F in a similar spot..... I’m looking forward to dropping a 11700F next when the price comes down to 1.2k.

can see those 10700 reviews, with power limit unlocked, 25% reduction of time in blender 3d rendering as reference.

yeap i also found some info. seems 160w is enough to let it stay at 4.8ghz constant. That’s about the same power consumption as a 8700K. 65w will be 3.6ghz all core and 125W will be 4.4ghz all core... which explains the 25% difference.

Not bad at all.. a simple RM50 snowman cooler should be able to handle this.

25% reduction of time actually means 33% faster performance of the CPU to achieve that haha, remember 50% reduction of time to finish the task means the CPU is double the performance.

Another source I found is:

https://hardforum.com/threads/10700-whats-t...al-tdp.2006876/
Post number #6

yeap 185w with a H60 with 1500rpm fan at 85C.. that’s pretty darn good and around what i was expecting... it’s around the same kinda temps or better than a 3700x.

So bringing it down to 160w should get below 80c and hopefully sustan 4.6ghz all core boost depending on mobo with the same 120mm aio.

Damn now im really interested to know what the 10700F can actually do.. there’s just too few info.

wah where to find that price? can only buy 3600 at 999. no brainer if pair with b560 later.

viewnet, pcimage, sri comp etc etc but some must bundle with mobo. Shoppee price are all scalped.

Exactly. Back then Intel i5-9400 with or 9600K really can't fight value of R5 3600 + B450 motherboard.
Anyway, whatever it turn out, Intel AMD and Nvidia are all laughing to the bank these two years.

we also get better CPU so it's win win

Guess I'm one of the lucky ones out there

My Ryzen 3000 ownership experience has been stellar so far, even as an early adopter. I went from a 3570K to a 3600 quite early in the lifecycle, and I have none of the problems you mentioned, and everything just worked out of the box, despite numerous issues with Zen 2 (especially the BIOS size issue, but that's more on the AIB part rather than AMD).

I eventually upgraded my HD7950 (which conveniently decides to broke after I upgraded my machine) to a 5700 XT, and despite many claims of 'driver issues', my 5700XT has been running very reliably, and games really well too


? Ryzen is known to be quite picky on RAM (especially on 1st gen Ryzen due to the design of the IMC), and any RAM speeds running beyond the JEDEC speeds is going to be considered overclocking and AMD cannot guarantee the reliability of those overclocked RAM sticks

This is sometimes why consulting the manual for QVL'd RAM can be a good thing


That being said, my experience is certainly not representative, and I think there's no point debating this further without turning into a AMD-Intel war

Guess the pandemic is a blessing and a curse at the same time

With new leadership it is indeed exciting to see what Alder Lake can bring to the table... seems like competition in the x86 space is heating up

I think the 10700F is great as a budget workstation/gaming CPU though

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Feb 20 2021, 07:58 PM

Also, VRMs are designed to handle very high temps, usually up to 150C, but it's advisable to keep it under 100C for longevity (ideally VRM temps under 80/90C are best)

Ryzen is picky on ram is because it has a crappy IMC. my ram is on the QVL but again, QVL also wont guarantee it’ll work either. It also crashed at 2444mhz so it’s no longer an issue about overclocking. The BSOD leads to kernel error leading to driver data being corrupted... so it’s more likely related to agesa and the chipset.

Your use case and my use case plus external devices im using is different. Having gone through 2 whole ryzen rig and still have the same problems means It’s a ryzen problem that was not acknowledge. Because it’s totaly ilogical that the same windows 10 software and devices i use works on intel but not AMD.

I actually receieved a bunch of PM here asking for solutions on some of the issues and Ive share on what i could solve. So im actually not alone. But as time goes by, I lost patience and faith.. so that’s how i bite the bullet, Sold my ryzen rig with a few weeks old upgraded B550 mobo at a RM400 loss and went with intel.

After reading the comments here, I've decide to get a 10700 (maybe k) for my upgrade later.
Too old and no time to try debug the possible AMD compatibility issue, I just want a stable rig.

currently I'm using i7-7700k.

It's a great value cpu.

just get straight a 10700kf . at 1299 , u can't go wrong with that. Repeat here: it's not hot cpu when gaming.

AMD has finally admitted on their problem which I have been left in the dark trying to solve for so long... so yeah, screw AMD. Go for intel, they tend to fix stuff much faster than AMD too if there's anything wrong because of the reliance from corporate users and the high tendency of getting sued which makes intel super stable.

If you are only gaming and doesn't do anything multithreaded it might be best to overclock the CPU first

The difference between the 7700K and the 10700K isn't that much if you only consider single threaded performance:
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-i...re_i7_7700k-664

IMHO if you still insist on an upgrade it's either go for the upcoming 11700K, or wait for Alder Lake instead (if you are willing to put up with potential issues of first generation hardware, as it will use DDR5 and a unique core/thread count)

Yeah, at the very least Ryzen 3000 did have a much improved IMC, but the issue is that Intel's IMC and their mesh architecture is just too good to say the least (it's not very uncommon for Comet Lake platforms to achieve very high RAM speeds)

AMD is actually faster due to their larger cache.... because their chips have enough space to cramp a larger cache etc for being a 7nm fab. But yeah, hopefully alderlake will be the answer.

Well my 32GB easily reached 3933Mhz but because my low profile sticks will run a little hot, I stay at 1.35v 3600mhz. Rams are too expensive now to consider upgrading.

ASRock's LGA1200 lineup are not very good especially from a VRM standpoint; might want to look at offerings from ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte instead

MSI's B560 lineup doesn't look half bad though

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Feb 21 2021, 01:41 AM

To be fair though the ROG Strix B550 has VRMs (probably overkill for most people unless you have high end cooling) and feature set that can rival some high end X570 boards

But on the other note however those uber-high end B550/B560 boards are not worth it, especially you can buy a more midrange X570/Z490/Z590 which has more features (like CPU overclocking and more expansion capabilities), and the trade off is usually just slightly worse VRMs (which isn't going to matter for a lot of people unless you are overclocking the CPU heavily)