how to scalp when intel's supply is good 

probably a blessing in disguise on intel since rely on own fab

I consider it as mainstream value king. I asked my friend to pair it with his new RTX 3070 instead of getting overpriced Ryzen 3060 

10400F is indeed a remarkable value CPU, which is funny because the last time Intel was called value king was back in Ivy Bridge....

Also ironic that it took people nearly a year to realize this CPU's potential lol.

competition is always good for consumers, can't wait to see what Intel can offer with Alder Lake.

meanwhile a 3600 will thermal throttle 90+C with a wraith stealth.

which is kinda my point. Intel is not a hot chip despite the tdp/power draw... and is not lacking that much behind in performance especially if you compare 3600 to 10400F and to make it worse for AMD now, 10600KF is the same price as 3600 now after the price slash by intel and inflation by AMD based on MSRP and if you include scalper then it makes intel cheaper... and worse yet, 10700K is now cheaper than the 5600X.
After tweaking my fan to be slightly more aggressive on my 120mm aio because they also act as an exhaust fan... my 10400F gaming temps is now a whopping 45C average. Damn this 10400F really runs cold.... so wish that it is unlocked.

hmmmm not really. there’s z490M that is rm600-800 but is obviously not suitable for 10900K but 10700K is fine.

then in the itx department, a decent B550 is RM900-1.3k. While an insanely speced z490 is around 1.2k-1.3k. and z590 stock already arrived at 1.34k but not for sale yet in lowyat.

Plus dont forget a decent z490 board is very capable, and it also has rocketlake and pcie gen4 support.

The only reason that makes ryzen reasonable now is B450, but i had a pretty bad experience on the compatibility, especially in the entire ITX lineup.

pcie gen4 support.

Because typical intel lansi attitude. They got no one to blame but themselves for people defecting to AMD.

Ryzen wouldn't have been where they are today if Intel did;

- 7th gen didn't get rebadged as 6th gen, sold again for the same price (or higher depends how you look at it)
- 8th gen started using solder on IHS instead of milking it for 9th gen
- 9th gen having the core count of 10th gen
- Coffee Lake was a pointless existence especially when it costs more than Zen 2
- 10th gen actually being Rocket Lake instead

Skylake isn't bad. They just presented and sold it wrongly.

I guess im the odd one who defected to intel after using AMD for more than a year.

I was actually secretly an AMD’s fan boy all the time since athlon64 vs pentium4 and later phenoms and I finally joined the ryzen bandwagon again because it seems promising just to end up getting Royally Fked by AMD with their misleading specs, Unreachable claims and Bullshit parts and software compatibility requirements.

And i feel very guilty now for recommending a batch of AMD machine to a friend’s office who has zero tech knowledge which is also showing signs of WHEA errors. I can only tell her to restart machine whenever it happens.

misleading specs, Unreachable claims and Bullshit parts and software compatibility requirements.

my years with intel never have issues with whea bsod unlike AMD which need to update bios every 1-3 months and update chipset drivers to hopefully solve the issue.

My personal issue with Ryzen was audio stuttering, gpu pcie stuck at 8x when using B450, random bsod, and randomly crashing... it can be stable for months or it can crash multiple times a day, it can crash during heavy load or when idling doing nothing at all..  just random

already rma the ryzen cpu and changed mobo from B450 to B550, ram, psu also all changed and it doesnt solve the problem. So I narrow down it’s agesa’s problem. That’s why i sold my AMD rig and bought intel 10400F. And I have been stress testing the 10400F since Monday round the clock to make sure it will not have all the rubbish like the ryzen.

At least i know how to tweak a PC.. And I just refuse to run lower than stock settings because that is what i paid for. This is a case of AMD giving unreachable claims and their terrible ram and driver compatibility.

Also especially irritated on the thing that many will say.. why dont I get samsung bdie or hynix C or micron E..... why would I spend RM800 and to hunt on a specific DDR4 die where by it should be stable with any stick as long as it’s a DDR4.

Intel no better? My bootcamp intel macbook pro has not been shutdown/restarted for 2 years because i disabled auto update... that is what i call stable.

This is a case of AMD giving unreachable claims and their terrible ram and driver compatibility.

Exactly. Back then Intel i5-9400 with or 9600K really can't fight value of R5 3600 + B450 motherboard.
Anyway, whatever it turn out, Intel AMD and Nvidia are all laughing to the bank these two years.

we also get better CPU so it's win win

there’s like zero detailed review about the 10700f haha.. apart from some youtube gaming fps figures. But after having this 10400f, I somehow feel the 10700f gonna be some super underated cpu. Which will be kinda putting the rocketlake 11700F in a similar spot..... I’m looking forward to dropping a 11700F next when the price comes down to 1.2k.

from what i gathered, the crappy stock cooler is enough to keep the 10700F under 90C with avx loads. And for the non K, power is kinda capped at 65w PL1 so most board’s vrm is enough. even H410 boards.

intel’s effeciency under 4.5ghz seems very good. It only starts going out of control after crossing 5ghz.

After reading the comments here, I've decide to get a 10700 (maybe k) for my upgrade later.
Too old and no time to try debug the possible AMD compatibility issue, I just want a stable rig.

currently I'm using i7-7700k.

Ryzen is picky on ram is because it has a crappy IMC. my ram is on the QVL but again, QVL also wont guarantee it’ll work either. It also crashed at 2444mhz so it’s no longer an issue about overclocking. The BSOD leads to kernel error leading to driver data being corrupted... so it’s more likely related to agesa and the chipset.

Your use case and my use case plus external devices im using is different. Having gone through 2 whole ryzen rig and  still have the same problems means It’s a ryzen problem that was not acknowledge. Because it’s totaly ilogical that the same windows 10 software and devices i use works on intel but not AMD.

I actually receieved a bunch of PM here asking for solutions on some of the issues and Ive share on what i could solve. So im actually not alone. But as time goes by, I lost patience and faith.. so that’s how i bite the bullet, Sold my ryzen rig with a few weeks old upgraded B550 mobo at a RM400 loss and went with intel.

budget B560M. that's cheaper than i thought

same lar rog strix B550 can go up to rm1600~

b560 motherboard is not budget at all   

wow RM609 + 340 for a 10400F cpu+mobo.... that’s the same price as a R3600 cpu today