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zebras
post Apr 25 2024, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(Barricade @ Apr 25 2024, 07:46 PM)
Not a good idea. I just tested with RM25k for you guys. Once I deposit it convert to USD5202 which is pretty good rate. But the value in RM dropped to around RM24,700. How is this calculated? FSM sell USD back to MYR rate at 4.75. So unless USD increase, I already lost about RM300 on forex alone. That's about 1%. So unless USD rate improve against MYR, I will be making less than putting in Versa.
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u should use it to buy US equities, dip everywhere now
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post Apr 26 2024, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Apr 25 2024, 07:20 PM)
I personally go for the Ireland denominated ETFs route.

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Does FSM MY have access to these?

This post has been edited by Mattrock: Apr 26 2024, 01:09 AM
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post Apr 26 2024, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(gccy1997 @ Apr 25 2024, 07:33 PM)
Thank you for the reply, appreciate it.

Last I check FSM do not charge for dividend distribution, I think they used to. I already put some amount in IBKR for ireland dominated ETF.
Just using fsm for monthly small dca, got some dilemma in putting too much money on overseas platform.
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Thats good to know. I left FSMMY/HK once I found out about the fees and never looked back, except for PRS funds. Really liked them back then.

QUOTE(Mattrock @ Apr 26 2024, 12:52 AM)
Does FSM MY have access to these?
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To be honest, not sure, as I left for IBKR and never looked back.

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post Apr 28 2024, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 18 2024, 01:24 PM)
Only available on moomoo or tiger sg. Not sure if webull sg have it. I don't need the 5p.a 😁
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Currency risk is very high for those that converting MYR to USD at this moment. For those with saving/holding in USD, it's a good rate tho.
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post Apr 29 2024, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(gccy1997 @ Apr 25 2024, 07:33 PM)
Thank you for the reply, appreciate it.

Last I check FSM do not charge for dividend distribution, I think they used to. I already put some amount in IBKR for ireland dominated ETF.
Just using fsm for monthly small dca, got some dilemma in putting too much money on overseas platform.
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Huh many of us buy stocks and ETFs at IBKR. Nothing to worry about. Can direct use Wise to transfer if want hassle free.

Also for local broker to buy US stocks or ETFs now Moomoo Malaysia is cheapest, by public listed Futu. Can buy SPLG etf if VOO or SPY is expensive for you.

But best bang for buck is still Irish domiciled ETFs as you save 30% tax from dividends earned by US gov. Our country need to have tax treaty with US if wanna avoid this tax. I invest in VUAA. CSPX getting too expensive for me.

Only thing you avoid buying via local broker is estate tax. If u pass away suddenly, stocks and etfs in IBKR might get taxed by gov if claimed by loved ones. But you're not around that time already nothing for u to worry about. Give your loved ones the broker login details if so worry. Or if know gonna die faster withdraw every thing back to Malaysia first. Try split it up not exceeding RM25k each batch else will flagged by Bank Negara for CTR.


Correction: Irish domiciled etfs don't get estate taxed. Only US stocks and ETFs do. Also only if u own them directly. If custodian broker type should not be affected.

This post has been edited by Davidtcf: Apr 29 2024, 12:45 AM
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post May 1 2024, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(zebras @ Apr 17 2024, 03:33 PM)
thats why i was bring this out, utilise both UT and ETF for different market/sector/asset class
management fee is included into the NAV calculation and the UT returns are after deduction of management fee
utilise UT for market/sector/asset class that can outperform the index
utilise index ETF for market like US because it is very hard to outperform US index in long term
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EPF I-Invest and PRS tax incentive,
you can only invest in UT, unless 1 day EPF allow us to invest in US ETF, then it will be no brainer to invest into US index ETF with EPF money
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The problem is most if not all UT beat the index (at least my portfolio). Apparently nobody knows whether an UT is appropriately benchmarked to an index. What if the benchmark is an 'easy' one, hence the UT can easily outperformed it.....
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post May 2 2024, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 29 2024, 12:30 AM)
Huh many of us buy stocks and ETFs at IBKR. Nothing to worry about. Can direct use Wise to transfer if want hassle free.

Also for local broker to buy US stocks or ETFs now Moomoo Malaysia is cheapest, by public listed Futu. Can buy SPLG etf if VOO or SPY is expensive for you.

But best bang for buck is still Irish domiciled ETFs as you save 30% tax from dividends earned by US gov. Our country need to have tax treaty with US if wanna avoid this tax. I invest in VUAA. CSPX getting too expensive for me.

Only thing you avoid buying via local broker is estate tax. If u pass away suddenly, stocks and etfs in IBKR might get taxed by gov if claimed by loved ones. But you're not around that time already nothing for u to worry about. Give your loved ones the broker login details if so worry. Or if know gonna die faster withdraw every thing back to Malaysia first. Try split it up not exceeding RM25k each batch else will flagged by Bank Negara for CTR.
Correction: Irish domiciled etfs don't get estate taxed. Only US stocks and ETFs do. Also only if u own them directly. If custodian broker type should not be affected.
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Kinda of agreed that Moomoo is the most cheapest trading apps at this moment.
I already use Moomoo and I really satisfied with it and they need some time to improved thair services and give them time
now, I just trying their paper trading much easier to practice.
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post May 2 2024, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ May 1 2024, 05:34 PM)
The problem is most if not all UT beat the index (at least my portfolio). Apparently nobody knows whether an UT is appropriately benchmarked to an index. What if the benchmark is an 'easy' one, hence the UT can easily outperformed it.....
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kind of easy to compare if u know what the market/sector etf is

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This post has been edited by zebras: May 2 2024, 04:47 PM
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post May 12 2024, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 29 2024, 12:30 AM)
Huh many of us buy stocks and ETFs at IBKR. Nothing to worry about. Can direct use Wise to transfer if want hassle free.

Also for local broker to buy US stocks or ETFs now Moomoo Malaysia is cheapest, by public listed Futu. Can buy SPLG etf if VOO or SPY is expensive for you.

But best bang for buck is still Irish domiciled ETFs as you save 30% tax from dividends earned by US gov. Our country need to have tax treaty with US if wanna avoid this tax. I invest in VUAA. CSPX getting too expensive for me.

Only thing you avoid buying via local broker is estate tax. If u pass away suddenly, stocks and etfs in IBKR might get taxed by gov if claimed by loved ones. But you're not around that time already nothing for u to worry about. Give your loved ones the broker login details if so worry. Or if know gonna die faster withdraw every thing back to Malaysia first. Try split it up not exceeding RM25k each batch else will flagged by Bank Negara for CTR.
Correction: Irish domiciled etfs don't get estate taxed. Only US stocks and ETFs do. Also only if u own them directly. If custodian broker type should not be affected.
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Now that Wise increased their transfer fee for ACH (USD local to USD international), if FSMOne do let us access LSE ETF (to avoid paying 30% WHT), it wouldn't make much sense to use IBKR anymore...
Furthermore, after doing currency conversion MYR > USD > MYR, it seems like Wise only a tiny bit cheaper than FSMOne.

This post has been edited by melondance: May 12 2024, 07:47 PM
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post May 13 2024, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(melondance @ May 12 2024, 07:46 PM)
Now that Wise increased their transfer fee for ACH (USD local to USD international), if FSMOne do let us access LSE ETF (to avoid paying 30% WHT), it wouldn't make much sense to use IBKR anymore...
Furthermore, after doing currency conversion MYR > USD > MYR, it seems like Wise only a tiny bit cheaper than FSMOne.
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Don't forget FSMOne has the highest conversion rate amongst its peers eh. On top of their platform fees
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post May 14 2024, 08:53 AM

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post May 14 2024, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ May 13 2024, 01:27 PM)
Don't forget FSMOne has the highest conversion rate amongst its peers eh. On top of their platform fees
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I dont think fsmone FX rate is high.
At this moment
FSM rm to usd is 0.2103
Sunway money is 0.2107

Ya, there is platform fees.
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post May 14 2024, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(buffa @ May 14 2024, 12:30 PM)
I dont think fsmone FX rate is high.
At this moment
FSM rm to usd is 0.2103
Sunway money is 0.2107

Ya, there is platform fees.
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I don't think there are platform fees for ETF or Equity Unit Trust
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post May 14 2024, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(melondance @ May 12 2024, 07:46 PM)
Now that Wise increased their transfer fee for ACH (USD local to USD international), if FSMOne do let us access LSE ETF (to avoid paying 30% WHT), it wouldn't make much sense to use IBKR anymore...
Furthermore, after doing currency conversion MYR > USD > MYR, it seems like Wise only a tiny bit cheaper than FSMOne.
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I think only Singapore FSM got LSE. Malaysia takde
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post May 14 2024, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(zebras @ May 14 2024, 01:48 PM)
I don't think there are platform fees for ETF or Equity Unit Trust
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For US ETF

ETFs RSP Buy 0.08% (min MYR 1)

ETF 0.08%/ min. USD 3.80
Processing Fees


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post May 14 2024, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(buffa @ May 14 2024, 05:45 PM)
For US ETF

ETFs RSP Buy  0.08% (min MYR 1)

ETF 0.08%/ min. USD 3.80
Processing Fees
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That is processing fee not platform fee right?
There is a separate platform fee for bond funds.
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post May 14 2024, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(thecurious @ May 14 2024, 05:54 PM)
That is processing fee not platform fee right?
There is a separate platform fee for bond funds.
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Ya, processing fees, my bad.
I was referring the other poster saying FSMOne has higher FX rate and platform fee.


Overall, I think FSMOne is worth to use, if you dont want to do all those sg bank, RM > SGD > USD hassle.

The only bad is no irish decimal ETF.
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post May 15 2024, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(buffa @ May 14 2024, 06:09 PM)
Ya, processing fees, my bad.
I was referring the other poster saying FSMOne has higher FX rate and platform fee.
Overall, I think FSMOne is worth to use, if you dont want to do all those sg bank, RM > SGD > USD hassle.

The only bad is no irish decimal ETF.
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Personally, majority of my holdings are in FSMOne. Only starting to deposit into IBKR 2 years ago for its Irish Domiciled ETF, if FSMOne release LSE ETF support for Malaysia platform, I would really prefer to have a local broker with office. If anything happens to me, I hope the process is as simple as possible.

Furthermore, it is really really simple to deposit and withdraw from FSMOne, and the withdrawal from MYR cash account is instant too... The FX saved from using Wise or CIMB SG method shouldn't cause much loss to your wallet if you buy and never sell.
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QUOTE(p0pc0rn @ May 15 2024, 10:10 AM)
Would you share what are the fund choices you're looking at instead of the ones in Versa?
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Good funds available on FSM not available in Versa
1. TA global tech
2. Manulife India fund

I only use FSM to buy 2 funds for my PRS and EPF.
Principal retire easy 50 (PRS)
KAF core income.

FSM also have chart centre to check performance of funds.

You can check it out here, use the funds I mentioned above to compare with what Versa have to offer.
https://www.fsmone.com.my/funds/tools/chart-centre

You will find that what is available on Fsm is superior to what is available to Versa.

What I am looking for may not be suitable for you and what you are looking for may not be suitable for me.

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post May 15 2024, 02:24 PM

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FSM RSP is actually RM1 + RM1 (stamp duty). that's U$0.42.

not just that, current S&P500 annual dividend yield is 1.27%. you are losing out on RM19.05 annual savings per RM10k if u picked USA-domiciled etf funds

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