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 FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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thecurious
post May 26 2020, 08:21 PM

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Is there some stats that I'm not looking at? Recently, I've been looking at unit trust funds performance for the past few years and most of them are negative or low returns. Why is it popular?
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post May 27 2020, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(brokenbomb @ May 26 2020, 08:33 PM)
Huh. Which funds? Under the recommendation section?
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ May 26 2020, 08:34 PM)
Which fund were u looking at? Maybe we can help guide your attention to a better one.
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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ May 26 2020, 10:26 PM)
Not sure which fund house / fund are you looking at but definitely not all are performing that bad

take example, TA global tech funds
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/fsmone/fun...Technology-Fund

figures are in green.

also because there is a crash in March and most funds are still in recovering, if you look at cumulative performance/ annualized performance of past two years definitely the figure wont be looking good.

but if you look at calendar year return it is different story
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I can't remember which funds exactly but I think there was kenanga growth fund and some smallcap fund.

I looked at the annualised and cummulative performance for those and it didn't look better than FD even with it's low interest rate now.

So are technology funds are the ones to look at for growth now?

Thanks for replies sifus!
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post May 27 2020, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ May 27 2020, 02:55 PM)
you cant compare FD directly i guess, it is not apple to apple comparison, they have different investment horizon.

for unit trust you are buying pool of underlying stocks, so it is always best to buy low sell high

if you look at the chart, isnt it the best to buy when it is low (in red) and sell when it back to new high?

tech fund has been performing well but it is now in high price as well.

I think you need to understand what are u investing in and what is your investment horizon instead of merely comparing the return rate.
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Naturally, that is a good point, everyone would want to buy low(red) sell high. Although the fund may have dropped in 2020 due to the March drop, but if there is consistent history of growth, it is a better indicator right? whats to prevent a fund in the red for the past 5 years to continue being in the red for the next 5 years?

From what I see so far, (which is probably not alot compared to the others here), the returns need to be at least 5% pa right? due to the sales charge, management fee, trustee fees, redemption fees, and etc for whatever that is applicable to that fund. Otherwise, I dont see why go through so much effort when you can just place FD and get similar returns.

Just trying to get more understanding on this vehicle.

Thank you.

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post May 28 2020, 06:35 PM

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Is it more preferable to opt for dividend reinvestment or cash payment for the income distribution?
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post Nov 12 2020, 09:13 PM

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Do you guys take profit when the funds reach a certain target return %? or do you hold until you want the cash for something?
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post Nov 12 2020, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Nov 12 2020, 09:18 PM)
take profits as to just taking out the profit portion or sell off it off entirely?

on this "or do you hold until you want the cash for something?"  hmm.gif by that time, there may not be any profit at that time of need  innocent.gif
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I meant sell it off entirely to get back capital and profits.
good point about the latter sentence though
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post Dec 8 2020, 11:31 AM

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Wah so many people can buy wholesale fund ar..envy...

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post Dec 9 2020, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Dec 9 2020, 04:14 PM)
I have been ignorant about this topic, maybe someone can help me? What does Class A signify when stated as such on the UT?
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Something like a common share. The other classes of shares are the ones that different from common shares. I think...
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post Dec 21 2020, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Dec 21 2020, 07:03 PM)
laugh.gif i just liquidate this fund. it has been underperforming compared to others for quite a while now..
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which other funds are you comparing it to?
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post Dec 25 2020, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(YoungMan @ Dec 25 2020, 06:59 PM)
Tq... I stupidly go through the lengthy report... laugh.gif make my brain tired. laugh.gif
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Fund fact sheet only show top 10 holdings
Look for more info about the fund is good also
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post Jan 3 2021, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(JAIDK23 @ Jan 3 2021, 07:39 PM)
once bought in RHB-OSK Indonesia Equity Growth Fund.. try search now in fsm.. but not appear.. try search in rhb asset mgmt also cant be found.. where is it? 😩
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You didnt keep track of your holdings statement?
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post Jan 16 2021, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(ganesh1696 @ Jan 16 2021, 08:27 PM)
Affin Hwang World Series-Next Generation Technology Fund (NGTF)
wherelse can i buy this fund apart from FSMONE and eunittrust , as they dont have it yet ?
I am quite interested in this fund since they launch .
Any idea on when FSMONE will have this fund?
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Since it's launched by affin hwang, why don't you search their website instead
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post Jan 29 2021, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(extinct_83 @ Jan 29 2021, 12:31 PM)
Thanks for this. So, if I want to take another profit of 10% next for e.g. So my fund has to be 65+10 capital and 35+10 profit. Is this correct?
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If can get 20% increase on holdings whenever withdraw 10%.
Everyone would be withdrawing.
Refer to white lighter's post.

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post Jan 29 2021, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(-ron- @ Jan 29 2021, 01:08 PM)
You guys usually withdraw 10% if making 20% profit? Thought it was meant to be a long term investment
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that is not a withdrawing strategy lol...just pointing out that the math is wrong
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post Feb 2 2021, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(yycclin @ Feb 2 2021, 12:07 PM)
Any1 experienced this before on eUnittrust ?
Fund : Kenanga Global Dividend Fund.
Problem : Phillip Mutual reduced my profit due to transfer of acct from
              different fund house. ( Kenanga to eUnittrust )
Reason : I cant do online redemption/ switching to other fund.

3 months ago, i requested to transfer all my amount from EPF acct (1000xxxxx)
to cash acct ( 9000xxxx ).  I received a Transaction Advised Slip from Kenanga Investors Berhad showing the details as below :
Date : 27/10/2020
Total unit transferred : 27,119.12
NAV : 0.5681
Market value : 15,406.37

When the amount successfully transferred to my Cash Acct in eUnittrust, the market value dropped ( why not follow the amount that was transferred out by Kenanga ?) from RM 15,406.37  to RM 15,000.00

Any1 can enlighten me why the market value dropped for the above situation ? I am not very convinced from their reply.
TQVM.
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Please be informed that the transfer amount RM15,000.00 is your principal while your market value is RM15,528.41 (RM528.41 is unrealised profit) as per our image.

You have redeem 17,000 units amount RM9,350 on 30/10/2020. You balance units is 10,119.12 and balance Principal is (RM15,000- rm9,350) RM5,650.

On 10/11/2020 you have top up your investment RM1,300 after 1.50% sales charge nett investment is RM1,280.79 units 2,124.73 at price 0.6028.

Subsequent investment on 10/11/2020

RM1,280.79 / 0.6028 = 2,124.73 units

Latest market value 2,124.73 units x 0.6239 (latest price) = RM1,325.61

RM1,325.61 - Principal RM1,280.79 = RM44.82 (unrealised profit)

Balance units before subsequent

10,119.12 units x 0.6239 (latest price) = RM6,313.31

RM6,313.31 – Principal RM5,650 = RM663.31 (unrealised profit)

Your enquiry regarding the different RM406 is unrealised profit as at current price.

Due to the price is up trend for this fund your unrealised profit is grow from RM406 to now RM663.31

Trust the above clarifies.

For further information, you can contact our customer service at 03-2783 0300 or email us at phillipmutual@poems.com.my.

Thank you.

Regards,

Phillip Mutual Berhad
B-2-7, Block B Level 2 Unit 7, Megan Avenue II
No. 12 Jln Yap Kwan Seng

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Firstly, wrong thread.
Secondly, their NAV indicator lags behind one or two days as they are not the direct fund provider.

You didn't provide the transaction slip for the receiving end, only provided for the kenanga side.

But assuming the units transferred are correct and is the same amount of 27,119.12 units. Multiply it by by the NAV of 26th instead of 27th.
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post Feb 2 2021, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 2 2021, 01:17 PM)
:thumbsup:  thumbup.gif

plus there are this possibility to be considered too...(either 1 or both??)

Exit Fee
1.0% p.a. of the NAV per Unit, within 90 calendar days after investing in the Fund

Switching Fee
1.0% p.a. of the NAV per Unit, within 90 calendar days of switching out of the Fund
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Don't think these are applicable right? Since he transferred and not sell.

It's weird to him because he focused on the amount and not the units.

Or maybe I misunderstood what he asked.
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post Feb 2 2021, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 2 2021, 02:08 PM)
He transfer out of that fund to his cash a/c in eunittrust.... That means he exited that said ut fund?... If less than 90 days of holding that fund will kena 1%??

Yes... Should hv focused on the units... ..
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Exit Fee
Sometimes referred to as the repurchase charge or redemption charge. This fee represents a deduction by the fund house from the proceeds of disposal of an investor.

Based on the above, it should only apply when there is a sale of units.

But he just transfer his holdings from one account type to another account type. No exit of fund occurred. Don't think it applies. If it applies then will take note not to use that feature...not worth it.
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post Feb 2 2021, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Feb 2 2021, 02:57 PM)
from Kenanga Global Dividend fund to Cash a/c of eunit trust......
not exit kenanga fund?
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Did he say that?
I thought he was referring to transfer of holdings of kenanga fund from kenanga epf funded account to eunittrust cash funded account with the same holdings of kenanga fund.

Exit fund is not same as exit fund house right?
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post Feb 3 2021, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(yycclin @ Feb 3 2021, 10:10 AM)
Tks, bro.

I dont received any charges from eUnittrust after the transfer..

As shown in my attached doc, the processed date was 27/10/20..I believed transaction done on that day.

I dont understand why they want to use Average NAV,   any Sifu can enlighten me ?

I tot whatever amount/ units  that transfered out from Kenanga, the same nos will be credited to my cash Account,

Very confused ???
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Not sure if I misunderstood you but it seem like you are focusing on things that are not relevant.

What you applied for transfer, you applied for transfer of holdings right?

If that is the case, look at the number of units received in the new account is it the same number of units as the one transferred from kenanga 27,119.12

The calculation of principal and unrealised profit is just them trying to illustrate the breakdown which is again irrelevant unless you want to look at pure principal and profit. Which is different because their Indicator lags by a day or two.

As for the NAV calculation, whatever they they calculate for the date of transfer is irrelevant as well. As you are not selling or buying, not realising your profit or loss.

The focus is on the number of units.

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post Feb 3 2021, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(ganesh1696 @ Feb 3 2021, 09:24 AM)
Can anyone explain why there's no price change in this fund since its inception.
Affin Hwang World Series - Next Generation Technology Fund - MYR Hedged.

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Probably not enough data. It's a newly launched fund?

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