Get 2 sticks 3200Mhz DDR4 RAM (8GB X 2STICK=16GB )to max out the IF bandwidth?
https://shopee.com.my/-KLEVV-BOLT-X-8GB-x-2...7182.4918744586
3200Mhz is the officially supported max DDR4 frequency, anything higher = silicon lottery.

If you don't have external GPU, better buy one too since Zen 2 3600 doesn't have integrated GPU.

Harddisk? Dude, we already moved to SSD, NVME based SSD in M.2 format.
Budget constraint? https://shopee.com.my/Silicon-Power-NVMe-PC...7911.2095142026
Get A80 P34. You better pick 1TB though.....otherwise 512GB and install the OS at it.
*MAKE SURE OS installation is FULLY UEFI GPT*

Last one = don't forget about windows 10 license.........

Intel can squeeze XE igpu even in 14nm RKL, ryzen is nope, damn...

For Windows 10, you can install it without license, can use as long as you want if dont customize it and can live with the watermark lol.

thx man, nice info there, it expand my radius of option here. i nvr heard of this brand name, thinking want to go for the LED for "presentation"
and plus is this silicon brand ok? thinking want to go for 970 evo.

A word of note:
Ryzen idle temp is higher than Intel.

Don't go for the color LED stuff. You gonna need those "monitoring and configuration" tools that will cause the CPU unable to idle.

On the M2 SSD, how much budget you have? I thought you wanna save cost.....that why I recommend SiliconPower nvme SSD.


You might as well go for PCIE 4.0 X4 SSD instead of PCIE 3.0 X4 SSD if you willing to allocate the money for it?
https://shopee.com.my/CORSAIR-MP600-Pro-1TB...8604.5279434181

Or you can check for more alternative here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27...2gT4/edit#gid=0
Remember, pay for the performance, not for the brand.
After all, the first M2 slot is connected directly to Ryzen 3600 CPU PCIE 4.0 lane. Might as well as go all 4.0, save the hassle.
EDIT: But currently, there is a USB random disconnect bug when PCIE 4.0 mode is in use, hopefully the upcoming bios update "will" fix it Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/m2wqk...termittent_usb/

Consider buying an aftermarket cooler such as CoolerMaster Hyper 212 or Gammaxx Pro 400. The stock 3600 cooler is loud unless if you are okay with it.

This post has been edited by JohnLai: Mar 15 2021, 11:46 PM

Honestly, youd better off with a 10400F + B560 or even the 11400F than a 3600 unless youre gonna do heavy video rendering. And the 3600 will bottleneck most current gen gpus significantly. And the memory support is pretty meh.

Ryzens that are worth your consideration is the 4700G for builds without GPU or go for the 5600x. Skip the 3600, trust me.. I had it and it's pretty disappointing... especially when it cost RM300 more than the 10400F.

The watermark can be removed with some tweaks.

Ryzen integrated GPU? AMD's design is at fault, their CPU dies are designed to be cheap to manufacture so they can always compete against Intel on price if they want.

Earlier, there's much discussion on Ryzen's idle voltage. I just saw this video. Ryzen was supposed to idle or lower load at highest voltage?
From 13:05 minutes

Yes ryzen tends to semi idle at much higher voltage than it loads. The argument behind it was to be able to allow it to boost on demand very quickly from a sleep state and not suffer instability or crashing. While at high loads, the cpu can lock into fix frequency so it can drop into a lower voltage and sustain at the voltage efficiency because it is no longer boosting up and down.

In full idle/standby however, it will drop down to 0.9v and enter a sleep state. but a simple interrupt such as a mouse movement will make it spike up to 1.4v in a short burst.

Thanks to that, ryzen have higher idles. And it is by design.. so i guess there will be no such thing as a fix.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 17 2021, 10:52 AM

mine idles at around 32w with chrome and spotify in the background, intel can go lower though.


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omg its not RYZEN idle. its how all cpu are

loadline loadline loadline

high vcore idle > temp is false
its current.

1amp 0.8v vs 1amp 1.4v

not gonna be 29c vs 45c ya.

Yep that's why I gave up asking asking for Intel-level low temp idle with AMD. It gets a lil warmer, so be it, as long as it doesn't overheat while I play my games, I'm fine.

True true. But ryzen problem is that it is genuinely waking up from ccx and boosting at the slightest interrupts so the higher idle temps. that's why i had to up the llc on my ryzen to keep it stable due to the fluctuations. and also their implementation is not as good as intel when it comes to stepping.. Their cool and quiet feature sucks lolol.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Mar 17 2021, 11:24 AM

Bonchi, what's your new intel's idle ya? Curious, if say just open chrome and spotify in background or maybe something else.
I've seen like 12w on idle with 5 apps running in the background for 9600K, hmm oh well intel.

This post has been edited by Cold|Drawn: Mar 17 2021, 11:28 AM

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This post has been edited by Cold|Drawn: Mar 17 2021, 11:28 AM

Up to 5C above ambient with browsing and playing hd videos lol... 1C above ambient when doing nothing. maybe cuz it's 10400F. ive posted before.. it went down to as low as 29C in a 28C aircond room setting.

ANyone got any idea why my 5600x randomly BLUE screen when on MS Teams?

Never happened on Google Meet ; when gaming (4-5 hrs direct)

But when on MS Teams.. sometimes in less than half hour.. crashed..blue screen

The only O/C is RAM from 3200 to 3600.. but if really RAM .. why other program doesnt crash?

Because ram is funny like that. Some programs can get away with ram errors while some are super sensitive. Did you get the bluescreen error code usually you can somewhat tell what it is. Best you try to do 4-8 passes of memtest86. But that will make your pc unusable for 6-10 hours.

What blue screen error did you get?

you'd be surprised to see how well their cool&quiet, cstates, etc. working once you slot a renoir or probably cezanne into your board.
but since those are plagued by low cache this is also no solution (apart from the availability)

blue screen related to ram oc are totally random, there is no fixed error message, each time is different