you sure their own webstore not cheaper?
https://www.alphacool.com/shop/

ok yes you are right

if the useful x570 boards are really such high priced then just get a nice x470 if you don't need pci-e 4..

This post has been edited by nrw: Jul 3 2019, 08:34 PM

if your going for ryzen 3000 that depends on the model you're eying. However, I'd recommend to wait for comparisons (X570 vs 470 vs B450) which should be coming late July or early August.
AMD has strict restrictions on releasing updates for older boards until July 7th and so far only MSI is working around those restrictions by calling their releases Beta despite them being pretty final.

your waterway alone is more in difference of price

I think 2500 is still pretty decent for the 3900x and the performance price ratio is better than of most other chips.
I paid 2550 to pre-order mine.

I'm afraid 1500 might not be enough for the c8h as well. Lets see what (day after) tomorrow brings and where those prices end up.

This post has been edited by nrw: Jul 4 2019, 07:34 PM

Amazon, and 2550 is including express shipping and import taxes.
Warranty is 0 issue with amazon as long as your're the receiver.

X570 I'll get in here for sure, SIRIM is a joke 😂

This post has been edited by nrw: Jul 4 2019, 08:00 PM

Ye lets hope they have stock starting 7th, if so you'll have yours first
3600 and 3600x surely in stock already as of now.

just fyi, amazon just now adjusted prices
model euro myr (exclusive shipping & taxes)
3900x 438.76 (459.11 before) 2043.18
3800x 388.33 1808.34
3600x 262.03 1220.20
3600 216.32 1005.99

maybe that'll be reflected in local prices, too.

This post has been edited by nrw: Jul 5 2019, 03:55 PM

Lets see local suppliers will really have all cpus starting Sunday or rather Monday.

Pictures of motherboards should be no problem, they just can't power it up and disclose that.

However... in few other countries asrock boards are already being delivered to customers though. Refer this x570 taichi

yup, no prices on ace meg, c8h yet. aorus master should be 1599 on launch

my personal guess would be the ace meg at 1599 likewise and the c8h either 1699 or even 1749

This post has been edited by nrw: Jul 7 2019, 02:18 PM

just keep your c6h for a while and wait for prices to level off (given they release a bios agesa 1.0.0.3 update in time)

This post has been edited by nrw: Jul 7 2019, 02:35 PM

either you follow the amd kit recommendation you received yesterday by some other member,
or you visit a local pc store and see what they charge for updating your bios on the spot.

just out of interest, theres quite some boards with bios flashback available. why haven't you bought one of these?
B450m mortar for RM381 for example.

few other interesting observations actually

1) memory latency issue was worked on, but still way behind intel there. (edit: if you just look at the aida64 latency which doens't include cache they have not improved at all, quite a disappointment there)
2) check the temps of the 3900x, even if you compare it to the 9900k it's running way too hot
3) gaming performance really doesn't justify buying a 3900x over a 3700x

3700x really seems to be the sweet spot of amd's offering.
we shall see in 48 mins when other reviews pop up.

but so far this one is the first one one can use to draw actual conclusions

This post has been edited by nrw: Jul 7 2019, 08:16 PM

one more to waste the last 20 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXbCdGENp5I

inter-ccx 70ms,... hrm.
the prices are better than expected.
however I expected more of the 3000 series itself with OC behavior and latencies

no single review of the 3800x as of now which I know of.
maybe better binned but totally not worth it for sure judging current evaluations of pbo or even general overclocking capabilities.
go with the 3700x if it's between those two.

edit: according to roman (der8auer) ALL CPU's (3600,3600X,3700X,3800X,3900X(,3950x which he can't disclose)) he tested are between 4.2 and 4.3Ghz all core.
for single core:...
3900X: 4500 max and 4400 typical
3800X: 4450 max and 4400 typical
3600X: 4400 max and 4400 typical

that's below the advertised max. clock for all of those which is 4600,4500, and 4400)'


This post has been edited by nrw: Jul 7 2019, 11:05 PM

given anyone wonders how the 3800x is performing
Reddit Link
Glad having bought the 3700x.

Now lets wait for the 3950x and how much of a downside iCCX proves to be.
Then decide by late 2019 if it's worth upgrading to one.

This post has been edited by nrw: Jul 11 2019, 05:10 PM

something worth cracking up



X470 gpc.

Seems like MSI wanna fire things up haha.

Utter negligence. Don't wanna know how many inexperienced users are gonna fry their ram.

for benching its fine, could even go higher than 1.8 on good dies.
but running on that 24/7? bye bye ram lol