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post Jan 17 2021, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jan 16 2021, 08:30 PM)
See this support ticket.

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I think I'll go MSI or Asus on next board.
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ic... so bios Gigabyte Amd board also facing same issue ... I thought am the only one having the problem with my Z490 Aorus Pro AX, yes the cursor in bios are slow even with CSM disable or not.

I received my board couple day back, last night only got the time to build it. spend all night flashing & screwing up my board bios. till it cannot post and boot at all.

twice flashing using QFlash Plus + usb stick (screw up) over the file naming scheme. Failed big time, few hours flashing still nothing. then test for the 3rd time , browse some forum changing the right naming scheme (gigabyte.bin) then flash
again with QFLASH Plus. it works. then flash again with latest bios F20a.

Still the cursor are slow. I just give up.
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post Jan 17 2021, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 17 2021, 05:18 PM)
sigh.. i dont know what to expect already, did what i can and still happens once in a bluemoon. Most users will probably just shrug it off, but it can be super annoying especially when Im in the middle of doing something when it crashes randomly... like drafting a letter and all the progress gone if forgot to save ughhhh. 

Welp it is a bitter sweet experience. No doubt the performance is damn good for the price when it first launched paired with a B450 despite having some minor issues. Now with intel's price slash and the expensive B550 mobo which i just upgraded into hoping the issues will go away.... i dont know what to feel anymore.
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Yeah completely understand that feeling, not knowing when your system will crash. The cold boot bug still bites me once in a blue moon too, don't even know why lol.

AMD really is like playing with fire.
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post Jan 17 2021, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 17 2021, 09:19 PM)
Yeah completely understand that feeling, not knowing when your system will crash. The cold boot bug still bites me once in a blue moon too, don't even know why lol.

AMD really is like playing with fire.
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yes I also got same cold boot up then hang sometimes. blush.gif

not sure why and how to fix but lucky the system overall restart is fast. hehe
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post Jan 17 2021, 09:26 PM

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what's a cold boot btw?
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QUOTE(Vannus @ Jan 17 2021, 09:20 PM)
yes I also got same cold boot up then hang sometimes.  blush.gif

not sure why and how to fix but lucky the system overall restart is fast. hehe
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It was thought at first to be unstable DRAM clocks and timings, but from what I've experimented is that even on bare bones stock JEDEC certified clocks and timings that AMD adheres to in their official spec sheet, the cold boot bug can still happen.

Then the next logical troubleshoot is voltage for SOC and IOD, increasing them doesn't stop the bug. Using stock doesn't either. Undervolting, nope.

So after that let's check AMD's OC parameters which relates to PBO, nope. No matter if PBO is enabled or disabled, whether a low or high scalar setting is used, cold boot bug can still happen.


QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Jan 17 2021, 09:26 PM)
what's a cold boot btw?
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System simply refuse to POST. Have to power cycle (in my experience at least) to fix. It's not system breaking or anything, but annoying. Sure booting up to windows is quick, but this shouldn't even be happening in the first place.
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post Jan 17 2021, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 17 2021, 07:35 PM)
I already installed it, but I haven't try to OC the Infinity Fabric yet. Sigh......

Maybe next week? Cause uncle needs to work on weekdays.  sad.gif
Need to ensure system stability for work related stuff.
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Same here. Cant afford for system to screw up during working day. All WFH nowadays. Haiya
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post Jan 18 2021, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 17 2021, 02:45 PM)
took them so long.. hopefully will solve my bsod errors on my 3600....yes zen2.

Still getting them at random but very rare. Despite having done over 100 hours of memtest86 and stress tests stable. It will occasionally surprise modafukaaa and goes poof when light browsing or enjoying some music.
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Already tried RAM running at 2400mhz and XFR Enhancement don't put at enable?
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post Jan 18 2021, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jan 18 2021, 12:22 AM)
Already tried RAM running at 2400mhz and XFR Enhancement don't put at enable?
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havent.. but it happens in such a bluemoon... thus pretty hard to test

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 18 2021, 12:31 AM)
havent.. but it happens in such a bluemoon... thus pretty hard to test
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sounds like loadline

where vid request.. the loadline couldnt handle either vmin or transient vmax/vmin (overshoot/under)
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post Jan 18 2021, 11:16 AM

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Seeing all these make me count my blessings I dont continue wait for 5900x and ask to swap to 10900K despite paid in full since nov.

I buy a PC to instruct the PC to do things and they say: yes sir how high would you want me to clock today? (Jarvis voice)

Not 'sir, I don't feel so well' and need to wait for every bios update that calls itself stability stability. I mean we dont run cinebench 24/7. The ryzen look good on paper only
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post Jan 18 2021, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 18 2021, 09:52 AM)
sounds like loadline

where vid request.. the loadline couldnt handle either vmin or transient vmax/vmin (overshoot/under)
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it at stock tho.. hmm I shall bump up the SoC voltage to some high value first and monitor. Then gotta have a learn at LLC with ryzen... kinda unknown territory to me because since its already giving problems at stock, i didnt touch overclocking... despite the voltage are already stupidly high even at idle.

will know in a month or 2 time if it works... Altho im now considering to get an automatic voltage regulator as well to see if my home’s bad wiring (30+ year old house) is the cause.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 18 2021, 01:20 PM
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post Jan 18 2021, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 18 2021, 01:15 PM)
it at stock tho.. hmm I shall bump up the SoC voltage to some high value first and monitor. Then gotta have a learn at LLC with ryzen... kinda unknown territory to me because since its already giving problems at stock, i didnt touch overclocking.
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hmm it should not be soc

those are not part of vrm loadline. theres no vid request.
i would go higher loadline. enable full cstate btw. test fft112 avx/avx2 disabled fft in place. at fixed frequency starting from say your spec idle frequency to all core load. vcore auto ya. make sure sll vid request option are enabled to allow cpu to control vid request from vrm.

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i am not sure ryzen shows this
but hwinfo (not sensor)
under the cpu.. info .. if you scroll down you should be able to see the loadline in mohm.
hopefully it shows.





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post Jan 18 2021, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(cstkl1 @ Jan 18 2021, 01:23 PM)
hmm it should not be soc

those are not part of vrm loadline. theres no vid request.
i would go higher loadline. enable full cstate btw. test fft112 avx/avx2 disabled fft in place. at fixed frequency starting from say your spec idle frequency to all core load. vcore auto ya. make sure sll vid request option are enabled to allow cpu to control vid request from vrm.

also
i am not sure ryzen shows this
but hwinfo (not sensor)
under the cpu.. info .. if you scroll down you should be able to see the loadline in mohm.
hopefully it shows.
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done those test.. more than 100+ cumulative hours already. all no problem... it just randomly once in a bluemoon come and bite. And the funny thing is that it BSOD even when fully idle. Will look into those settings.

I think to up SoC because im running at 1800Mhz IF but voltage is currently at stock... maybe should bump that up.

my HWinfo doesnt seem to show it.

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 18 2021, 01:35 PM)
done those test.. more than 100+ cumulative hours already. all no problem... it just randomly once in a bluemoon come and bite. And the funny thing is that it BSOD even when fully idle. Will look into those settings.

I think to up SoC because im running at 1800Mhz IF but voltage is currently at stock... maybe should bump that up.

my HWinfo doesnt seem to show it.
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all the old amd systems that i ever had like the athlon 64, semprons, athlon x4, etc doesn't even have much stability issues...
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Jan 17 2021, 01:52 AM)
zen4 wont be available till nov or looking at current situation with zen3, maybe havt to wait till even 2022 bro...
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kx221005 shouldn't start dreaming.
last info in this by AMD's VP was by end of 2022
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post Jan 18 2021, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 18 2021, 01:48 PM)
all the old amd systems that i ever had like the athlon 64, semprons, athlon x4, etc doesn't even have much stability issues...
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The difference with ryzen is that they're pushing with a new product way too fast. I mean, the fact that they're already talking about Zen 4 having a possibility of a 2021 launch (which is almost impossible, so basically it'll be a paper one lmao) says it all. There is not enough time for the platform to mature and then x570 and AM4 is going EOL by the end of the year too.

They chase numbers and new products because that's the only thing they can do to topple Intel, that they did as is evident with their profit earnings and rapid stock increase over the last 3 years.

By and large, personally I don't have any major stability issues on my end either.
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post Jan 18 2021, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 18 2021, 01:48 PM)
all the old amd systems that i ever had like the athlon 64, semprons, athlon x4, etc doesn't even have much stability issues...
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well it's not a major stability issue.. but it's an annoying one... annoying enough to make me wanna change platform.

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post Jan 18 2021, 02:21 PM

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Just for sharing. Ryzen 5600X with a Corsair H60 120mm AIO, runs around 63C during RDR2 gaming @ 1080p in a 28C ambient room temp in a small ITX case.

I think the higher TDP chips would probably cook in my casing.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 18 2021, 02:08 PM)
The difference with ryzen is that they're pushing with a new product way too fast. I mean, the fact that they're already talking about Zen 4 having a possibility of a 2021 launch (which is almost impossible, so basically it'll be a paper one lmao) says it all. There is not enough time for the platform to mature and then x570 and AM4 is going EOL by the end of the year too.

They chase numbers and new products because that's the only thing they can do to topple Intel, that they did as is evident with their profit earnings and rapid stock increase over the last 3 years.

By and large, personally I don't have any major stability issues on my end either.
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No chance of a 2021 launch. Apple has apparently booked out almost all 5nm capacity at TSMC, and once you factor in Zen releases tend to be systematic to every 5 quarters...

Q1 2017 Zen
Q2 2018 Zen+
Q3 2019 Zen2
Q4 2020 Zen3
Q1 2022 is the most probable release date for 5nm Zen4.
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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Jan 18 2021, 02:25 PM)
No chance of a 2021 launch. Apple has apparently booked out almost all 5nm capacity at TSMC, and once you factor in Zen releases tend to be systematic to every 5 quarters...

Q1 2017 Zen
Q2 2018 Zen+
Q3 2019 Zen2
Q4 2020 Zen3
Q1 2022 is the most probable release date for 5nm Zen4.
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and focus atm afaik is notebook on highend and workstation cpu

they probably be attacking the ultrabooks

bonchi
from notebook cpu wafers its very apparent
they know they screwed up the desktop binning
rams here are running 3200-3733 afaik

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