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post Jan 18 2021, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jan 18 2021, 02:21 PM)
Just for sharing. Ryzen 5600X with a Corsair H60 120mm AIO, runs around 63C during RDR2 gaming @ 1080p in a 28C ambient room temp in a small ITX case.

I think the higher TDP chips would probably cook in my casing.
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rdr2 uses quite alot of cpu utilization so 63C is not that bad.
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post Jan 18 2021, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 18 2021, 02:33 PM)
rdr2 uses quite alot of cpu utilization so 63C is not that bad.
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HWINFO + Riva tuner shows CPU load never exceed 50%
so no idea.

In any case my computer is snappy. I will be one of the very rare breed running A520 + 5600X.
Because I have no intention to OC... given my casing airflow+thermal limitation. The RTX 3070 gets quite toasty too, peaks at 75C in the tiny casing.
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post Jan 18 2021, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jan 18 2021, 02:38 PM)
HWINFO + Riva tuner shows CPU load never exceed 50%
so no idea.

In any case my computer is snappy. I will be one of the very rare breed running A520 + 5600X.
Because I have no intention to OC... given my casing airflow+thermal limitation. The RTX 3070 gets quite toasty too, peaks at 75C in the tiny casing.
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owh, on my 8700k it would go over 70% cpu utilization on rdr2 online haha
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post Jan 18 2021, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 18 2021, 02:42 PM)
owh, on my 8700k it would go over 70% cpu utilization on rdr2 online haha
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on rdo my 3600 goes around 50% CPU 65C~ but my RTX3080 doesnt go above 60 but im running on 1080p 60hz vsync maxed garphics. ambient is 32C (stupidly hot room)

also using a 8L itx case.

This post has been edited by Bonchi: Jan 18 2021, 03:11 PM
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post Jan 19 2021, 01:37 AM

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QUOTE(jbcoder @ Nov 9 2020, 07:25 PM)
Anyone familiar with this overseas seller apparently from taiwan?

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Saw his/her store and has 40 pieces of ryzen 3  3300x. I chat and asked if stock is available and he/she said it's available.

Saw other feedback for other item sales and they were positive. Just that no one has bought his/her 3300x yet so no sales/rating.
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I bought my gigabyte rtx 3070 gaming oc from this seller for rm2400. Happy with the product and its working as intended. But somehow after my purchase the seller is no longer on the platform. I got an notification that the seller's account has been banned/frozen/deleted. Such a shame, i was very pleased and was looking forward to buy other stuff from the seller.

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post Jan 19 2021, 03:05 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jan 18 2021, 02:38 PM)
HWINFO + Riva tuner shows CPU load never exceed 50%
so no idea.

In any case my computer is snappy. I will be one of the very rare breed running A520 + 5600X.
Because I have no intention to OC... given my casing airflow+thermal limitation. The RTX 3070 gets quite toasty too, peaks at 75C in the tiny casing.
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Do this and your temps will go down even more plus perf increase , I did that and got lower temps and faster performance as well. But remember to test the stability of it. I adjusted and then played games here and there no issues but somehow my pc will auto restart when I'm doing nothing much like surfing the web. So yeah test your stability after tweaking it.


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post Jan 19 2021, 06:20 AM

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QUOTE(freakenstein @ Jan 19 2021, 03:05 AM)
Do this and your temps will go down even more plus perf increase , I did that and got lower temps and faster performance as well. But remember to test the stability of it. I adjusted and then played games here and there no issues but somehow my pc will auto restart when I'm doing nothing much like surfing the web. So yeah test your stability after tweaking it.


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Sadly my Asrock A520 board does not have PBO
A520 by gigabyte does

But considering everything is running fine for my CPU, I don’t intend to mess with it. I may under volt it later after I’m satisfied with my GPU tweaking.

That being said I’ve yet to see my CPU run at 100% load. And with 32GB ram, I’ve open 30 browser tabs with YouTube and FB video running with no issues.

Pretty happy with my build. Saved money on the motherboard and NVME go splurge on ram.
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post Jan 19 2021, 01:00 PM

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Anyone wanna trade their 5900X with a 5800X?
haha...worth the try.
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post Jan 19 2021, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(freakenstein @ Jan 19 2021, 03:05 AM)
Do this and your temps will go down even more plus perf increase , I did that and got lower temps and faster performance as well. But remember to test the stability of it. I adjusted and then played games here and there no issues but somehow my pc will auto restart when I'm doing nothing much like surfing the web. So yeah test your stability after tweaking it.


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Moron tuber doesn't understand how to undervolt, makes a video as a blind leading the blind.
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post Jan 19 2021, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 19 2021, 01:42 PM)
Moron tuber doesn't understand how to undervolt, makes a video as a blind leading the blind.
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Is that not how one do it?
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post Jan 19 2021, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(nyunyu @ Jan 19 2021, 03:07 PM)
Is that not how one do it?
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You misunderstood. You can certainly do it the way he's showing in the video, it's just that his video is riddled with misinformation as always (just like all his previous undervolting guides, some of which he had to take down).

He claims that @10:30 if you want to "undervolt traditionally" you need to lower all the other limits on the motherboard as well. This is untrue lmao. You can still set a negative offset while maximizing the VRM limits and still get an undervolt, the CPU will still be able to boost to its max clock speed if an app needs it. All the user has to do is to make sure they have sufficient cooling so that the CPU doesn't run into thermal throttling. He doesn't make this clear at all and shrugs off other methods and says his is the best, that's what blows my mind.

I'm also damn sure his undervolt of -30 is unstable in real world usage. Benchmarks IS NOT an indicator of stability, he however believes it is. rolleyes.gif

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post Jan 19 2021, 05:26 PM

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Benchmark certainly isn’t. An actual hours and hours of stress test is.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 19 2021, 05:01 PM)
You misunderstood. You can certainly do it the way he's showing in the video, it's just that his video is riddled with misinformation as always (just like all his previous undervolting guides, some of which he had to take down).

He claims that @10:30 if you want to "undervolt traditionally" you need to lower all the other limits on the motherboard as well. This is untrue lmao. You can still set a negative offset while maximizing the VRM limits and still get an undervolt, the CPU will still be able to boost to its max clock speed if an app needs it. All the user has to do is to make sure they have sufficient cooling so that the CPU doesn't run into thermal throttling. He doesn't make this clear at all and shrugs off other methods and says his is the best, that's what blows my mind.

I'm also damn sure his undervolt of -30 is unstable in real world usage. Benchmarks IS NOT an indicator of stability, he however believes it is.  rolleyes.gif
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Yeah, his -30 is not realistic at all. I'm on -20 right now, hopefully that is stable. Tried with 25 and 30, occasionally random reboots.
Just curious though, even with undervolt, I still clocked 4850Mhz, I thought the clock would be reduced?
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post Jan 20 2021, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(nyunyu @ Jan 19 2021, 11:53 PM)
Yeah, his -30 is not realistic at all. I'm on -20 right now, hopefully that is stable. Tried with 25 and 30, occasionally random reboots.
Just curious though, even with undervolt, I still clocked 4850Mhz, I thought the clock would be reduced?
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I think it's like that:
For regular vCore undervolting you supply less V(oltage) and the F(requency) of the V/F curve drops with it. It also applies the same offset to all frequencies.
For PBO2 you adjust the V of the V/F curve. The F stays where it is. Temps then drop and the chip can boost higher momentarily. It sets different offsets to frequencies.
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You can also set different limits for all cores after having tested which core performs how well.
Fairly easy to do on an 5600x, but you might spend weeks on an 5950x until it's stable, haha.

That's because the annoying thing is that the offset you set is applied for ALL loads, lesser for high loads and more for low loads.
And for idle or low loads it's just too much. Which is where you probably saw your reboots as well.
Example: -1 equals to ~ -3 to -5 mV. Probably -3 on high frequencies and -5mV on lower frequencies. If you set -10 in the PBO2 menu it'll be -30 to -50mV.

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If you have a golden chip maybe you can make it to -30 (90/150) and be fine throughout curve...
but chances are at some place of the curve it's not enough Voltage supplied and hence you get a reboot.

-30 for all cores is utopian anyways, most chips won't even boot into windows with that, let alone be all time stable.
He surely has a nice binned chip supplied by AMD (why do most reviewers just don't get that?) but likely it's not even stable for him on all steps of the V/F curve.

Like SSJBen pointed out, this guy does too many mistakes in his 'guides' cuz he doesn't really get into stuff before recording his videos.

Edited*: added AMD's public use graphs.
Edit2*: actually the boost clock override (up to +200MHz by AMD, up to +500MHz based on OEM) makes it much harder to have a stable system (with override of +200 or more) in combination with a PBO2 curve.
I bet everyone having a 5600x and having played with +200 & PBO2 or above can relate. It just doesn't work all that well.
If you want both, you have to settle for +50 or something much lower than +200MHz.

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post Jan 20 2021, 10:16 AM

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Did my 5900x undervolt according to this video, -30 counts and yes, my system rebooted a few times even when I'm watching Netflix like 5-10 mins from system bootup.

Then I reduce the count to -25, now it's running just fine and TimeSpy benchmark has improved over stock setup on the CPU.

Cheers all.
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post Jan 20 2021, 12:07 PM

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post Jan 20 2021, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(thankyou @ Jan 17 2021, 10:10 AM)
There are some local sellers started to list 5900x/5950x on Lazada/Shopee but as usual the price is 50% of MSRP.

Good sign.... Don't buy people... Let the price fall!
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How long do you reckon the price will fall to its MSRP level? blush.gif
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post Jan 20 2021, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(weeuweed @ Jan 20 2021, 12:50 PM)
How long do you reckon the price will fall to its MSRP level?  blush.gif
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when intel announce specs of alder lake and AMD announce next gen
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post Jan 20 2021, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Vannus @ Jan 20 2021, 10:16 AM)
Did my 5900x undervolt according to this video, -30 counts and yes, my system rebooted a few times even when I'm watching Netflix like 5-10 mins from system bootup.

Then I reduce the count to -25, now it's running just fine and TimeSpy benchmark has improved over stock setup on the CPU.

Cheers all.
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Keep an eye on your event viewer at least for a week to spot any event errors. You may not get a bsod or random reboot, but there may be other errors cropping up that you aren't aware of.
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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Jan 20 2021, 01:17 PM)
Keep an eye on your event viewer at least for a week to spot any event errors. You may not get a bsod or random reboot, but there may be other errors cropping up that you aren't aware of.
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