Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed
5 Pages  1 2 3 > » Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

> Military Thread V10, Merry X'Mas and Happy New Year

views
     
TSyinchet
post Sep 22 2013, 04:32 AM, updated 12y ago

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
user posted image

Military Thread V1
Military Thread V2
Military Thread V3
Military Thread V4
Military Thread V5
Military Thread V6
Military Thread V7
Military Thread V8
Military Thread V9
No trolls, flaming, flamebaiting, and anything related to bad manners allowed.
Politics should stay out
Thank You


Malaysia Military Documentary
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


PM me to add more. biggrin.gif

Others Military Forum
Mymil
militarynut
Militaryphotos.net Malaysia Thread
panggilanpertiwi

PM me to add more. biggrin.gif

Military Thread V1 statistic.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Military Thread V2 statistic.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Military Thread V3 statistic.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Military Thread V4 statistic.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Military Thread V5 statistic.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Military Thread V6 statistic.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Military Thread V7 statistic.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Military Thread V8 statistic.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


This post has been edited by yinchet: Dec 24 2013, 07:13 AM
TSyinchet
post Sep 22 2013, 04:49 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
I'm going to be very busy for the next 2 weeks.
Decide to create v10 early biggrin.gif
QUOTE(wanvadder @ Sep 22 2013, 01:36 AM)
user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
*
QUOTE(wcg6548 @ Sep 22 2013, 02:20 AM)
user posted image

What are this thing?mini submarine for "special mission" or expedition?
*
QUOTE(wcg6548 @ Sep 22 2013, 02:22 AM)
user posted image
Mini submarine?
*
TSyinchet
post Sep 22 2013, 04:53 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(wanvadder @ Sep 22 2013, 12:17 AM)
guna D90, pastu overheat bila dah sampai TRW. sampai ke hujung semua video aku 30 saat je :v

Warning, large images ahead.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

*
wanvadder
post Sep 22 2013, 04:56 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
94 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
From: Tristram
user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
JungWoo
post Sep 22 2013, 05:26 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,043 posts

Joined: Feb 2012
pertamax
izzyuke
post Sep 22 2013, 05:27 AM


*****
Senior Member
734 posts

Joined: Apr 2011
first pageeeee rclxm9.gif
supermoto
post Sep 22 2013, 06:39 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
381 posts

Joined: Dec 2010
first page

user posted image
asyraff88kmp
post Sep 22 2013, 06:43 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
17 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: The Assassin's HQ
melaporkan diri di muka surat pertama
sranua
post Sep 22 2013, 07:06 AM

Enthusiast
*****
Senior Member
784 posts

Joined: Feb 2005
From: Selangor
Fuh best gila sape g dapat pegi semalam...dapat tengok gambar..jadilah..
kinabalu
post Sep 22 2013, 07:12 AM

20k VIP club
******
Senior Member
1,167 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
From: Joined: Today, 08:45 AM
post #10 smile.gif
xtemujin
post Sep 22 2013, 07:35 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
318 posts

Joined: Nov 2009
From: Singapura, Singapore
Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) displays Russian missiles at Malaysian Armed Forces 80th Anniversary Parade

http://kementah.blogspot.com/2013/09/royal...f-displays.html
azriel
post Sep 22 2013, 07:39 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
Indonesia takes delivery of the first batch of 2 unit Leopard 2A4 & 2 unit Marder 1A3.

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

source

This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 22 2013, 11:08 AM
d4rk
post Sep 22 2013, 10:40 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
3 posts

Joined: Jan 2011
Hornets in the air!
user posted image

Su-30 MKM
user posted image
zimhibikie
post Sep 22 2013, 10:48 AM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(xtemujin @ Sep 22 2013, 07:35 AM)
Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) displays Russian missiles at Malaysian Armed Forces 80th Anniversary Parade

http://kementah.blogspot.com/2013/09/royal...f-displays.html
*
ada gak yg komen cakap tu semua plastic model laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
ayanami_tard
post Sep 22 2013, 10:53 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
QUOTE

user posted image

Mini submarine?


mine hunter Remotely operated vehicle
SUSJames Bum
post Sep 22 2013, 10:58 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
77 posts

Joined: Jul 2013
QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 22 2013, 07:39 AM)
Indonesia takes delivery of the first batch of 2 unit Leopard 2A4 & 2 unit Marder 1A3.

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

source
*
Indonesia ke arah kuasa besar Asia Tenggara!!!!!!!11111
ohhisee
post Sep 22 2013, 10:59 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
51 posts

Joined: Jan 2009
yesterday i went to dataran..can see lots of military vehicles..
zimhibikie
post Sep 22 2013, 11:02 AM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(ohhisee @ Sep 22 2013, 10:59 AM)
yesterday i went to dataran..can see lots of military vehicles..
*
same here tongue.gif tongue.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
ohhisee
post Sep 22 2013, 11:07 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
51 posts

Joined: Jan 2009
QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 22 2013, 11:02 AM)
same here  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
*
biggrin.gif
love that new tanks and laser guided missile(?)..
then i now realize military guys very though one..all their equipment is heavy..
keown83
post Sep 22 2013, 12:00 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
172 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: penang wit love
QUOTE(xtemujin @ Sep 22 2013, 07:35 AM)
Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) displays Russian missiles at Malaysian Armed Forces 80th Anniversary Parade

http://kementah.blogspot.com/2013/09/royal...f-displays.html
*
im glad they said its a plastic model
its gud to have that kind of perception
zimhibikie
post Sep 22 2013, 12:04 PM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(ohhisee @ Sep 22 2013, 11:07 AM)
biggrin.gif
love that new tanks and laser guided missile(?)..
then i now realize military guys very though one..all their equipment is heavy..
*
New tanks? ATM been showing off the Pendekar for some years now.. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

kesian prototype AV8, slalu kena bawak jalan utk showoff..

got some nice info when went into ATM tents..

QUOTE(keown83 @ Sep 22 2013, 12:00 PM)
im glad they said its a plastic model
its gud to have that kind of perception
*
yeah, they are laughing about the 'plastic' model until one actually hit their radar/ship..
meedoot
post Sep 22 2013, 12:07 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
3 posts

Joined: Nov 2012
QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 22 2013, 09:48 AM)
ada gak yg komen cakap tu semua plastic model  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
*
usually the army bring dummy model for parade only, cause its to risky if they bring the real one, the missiles is too exspensive and strategic one.. they just want to show to the peoples that they have toys like that.. kuddos for ATM rclxms.gif thumbup.gif
zimhibikie
post Sep 22 2013, 12:13 PM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(meedoot @ Sep 22 2013, 12:07 PM)
usually the army bring dummy model for parade only, cause its to risky if they bring the real one, the missiles is too exspensive and strategic one.. they just want to show to the peoples that they have toys like that.. kuddos for ATM  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
*
or..or...or...they might be bringing in inert model...inside TUDM tent, they display AIM120C and Maverick missiles, both inert ones..
leon-chua
post Sep 22 2013, 12:32 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
2 posts

Joined: Sep 2012
Atm digi camo tu boleh elak dari dikesan radar tak? hmm.gif


TSyinchet
post Sep 22 2013, 12:36 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
Indon very busy shooping for new toys.
Sg cont buying high quality toys.
Haiz so jelly with our jiran.

Our av8 yet to get new camo kesian.
Hopefully all went well in the acceptance test.

On our sgpv very senyap.
Hopefully we get essm + searams + nsm.
rastablank
post Sep 22 2013, 12:39 PM

Enthusiast
*****
Senior Member
951 posts

Joined: Nov 2005
From: Jager Bomb
QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 22 2013, 07:39 AM)
Indonesia takes delivery of the first batch of 2 unit Leopard 2A4 & 2 unit Marder 1A3.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


source
*
Damnnn, the Marder is sooo sexxehhh~ wub.gif
SUSAxeFire
post Sep 22 2013, 12:42 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
368 posts

Joined: Oct 2012
From: Penang
Our tanks looks inferior to those of SG & Indon's new Leopards

or does it only look older but is actually just as good?
ohhisee
post Sep 22 2013, 12:50 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
51 posts

Joined: Jan 2009
QUOTE(meedoot @ Sep 22 2013, 12:07 PM)
usually the army bring dummy model for parade only, cause its to risky if they bring the real one, the missiles is too exspensive and strategic one.. they just want to show to the peoples that they have toys like that.. kuddos for ATM  rclxms.gif  thumbup.gif
*
yup i can see 'dummy' marking on missiles..
aztechx
post Sep 22 2013, 12:52 PM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
EC-725 carrying the Jalur Gemilang
user posted image

DPM arriving in style
user posted image

Our new Defence MInister alongside PM
user posted image

PM emerging from AV8 APC
user posted image

Army Veterans?
user posted image

Digital Camo on scramblers and helmets!~
user posted image
user posted image
user posted image
user posted image
aztechx
post Sep 22 2013, 12:54 PM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif
user posted image
user posted image

Desert Camo
user posted image

Sniper
user posted image
user posted image

TUDM Band
user posted image

Paratrooper
user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
TSyinchet
post Sep 22 2013, 01:02 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(AxeFire @ Sep 22 2013, 12:42 PM)
Our tanks looks inferior to those of SG & Indon's new Leopards

or does it only look older but is actually just as good?
*
Imo, our tank should be quite near to t90m standard.
Have quite lots of french tech inside our tank laugh.gif
Sg and indon leos are more advance than ours.
aztechx
post Sep 22 2013, 01:06 PM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
Motor Terbanggggg
user posted image

Vehicles Galore
user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
SUSAxeFire
post Sep 22 2013, 01:09 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
368 posts

Joined: Oct 2012
From: Penang
QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 22 2013, 01:02 PM)
Imo, our tank should be quite near to t90m standard.
Have quite lots of french tech inside our tank laugh.gif
Sg and indon leos are more advance than ours.
*
From my unprofessional observation, I see that the PT91M makes alot of smoke and also has a huge external fuel tank.

That huge fuel tank stick out like a sore thumb what if a round hit it? hmm.gif
atreyuangel
post Sep 22 2013, 01:09 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(wcg6548 @ Sep 22 2013, 02:22 AM)
user posted image
Mini submarine?
*
nope, this is the mine hunter remote sub

QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 22 2013, 01:02 PM)
Imo, our tank should be quite near to t90m standard.
Have quite lots of french tech inside our tank laugh.gif
Sg and indon leos are more advance than ours.
*
hehe, next time we meet, we can cerita panjang lebar
aztechx
post Sep 22 2013, 01:13 PM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
also noticed some of the tanks were leaking black oil at the exhaust vents. and One of the Adnans stalled at one point. Wonder what happened to it. good thing is The sporting crowd cheered once it started going again laugh.gif
nikita zuleica
post Sep 22 2013, 01:23 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
410 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 22 2013, 12:36 PM)
Indon very busy shooping for new toys.
Sg cont buying high quality toys.
Haiz so jelly with our jiran.

Our av8 yet to get new camo kesian.
Hopefully all went well in the acceptance test.

On our sgpv very senyap.
Hopefully we get essm + searams + nsm.
*
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 22 2013, 01:09 PM)
nope, this is the mine hunter remote sub
hehe, next time we meet, we can cerita panjang lebar
*
apehal baju baru macam bukan untuk malaysia terrain jek =,=" bnyk petak coklat
atreyuangel
post Sep 22 2013, 01:24 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Sep 22 2013, 01:23 PM)
apehal baju baru macam bukan untuk malaysia terrain jek =,="  bnyk petak coklat
*
stride pilih tu,
tp byk kata bila dah tengok real life baru nampak ok
aztechx
post Sep 22 2013, 01:24 PM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
More pics

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
cks2k2
post Sep 22 2013, 01:25 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 22 2013, 12:52 PM)
Our new Defence MInister alongside PM
user posted image
*
the man sia-sui the uniform and the para-wings.

This post has been edited by cks2k2: Sep 22 2013, 01:25 PM
meedoot
post Sep 22 2013, 01:30 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
3 posts

Joined: Nov 2012
QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 22 2013, 12:02 PM)
Imo, our tank should be quite near to t90m standard.
Have quite lots of french tech inside our tank laugh.gif
Sg and indon leos are more advance than ours.
*
nah.. yinchet.. which one more better between indo or malaysia tanks can't be decided unless they meet at the battle, the worst enemy of tanks is another tanks (like gudderian says).. so if i may predict our country will never go into the war.. so.. let make conclusion that both tanks had the same capability..

the wheels are moving my friends.. im sure 100% in the next few years ATM will boost the power, and by that time its my turn to say "im jelly"
nikita zuleica
post Sep 22 2013, 01:31 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
410 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Sep 22 2013, 01:25 PM)
the man sia-sui the uniform and the para-wings.
*
user posted image
nikita zuleica
post Sep 22 2013, 01:40 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
410 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
ni SSM jenis apa ni???


user posted image


cool bulldozer


user posted image
azriel
post Sep 22 2013, 01:40 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 22 2013, 01:13 PM)
also noticed some of the tanks were leaking black oil at the exhaust vents. and One of the Adnans stalled at one point. Wonder what happened to it. good thing is The sporting crowd cheered once it started going again  laugh.gif
*
Yes i also noticed it from this pic.

user posted image
KYPMbangi
post Sep 22 2013, 02:22 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
Comrade reporting in

V10!
atreyuangel
post Sep 22 2013, 02:26 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Sep 22 2013, 01:40 PM)
ni SSM jenis apa ni???
user posted image
cool bulldozer
user posted image
*
tarak gambo la

QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 22 2013, 01:40 PM)
Yes i also noticed it from this pic.

user posted image
*
looks like normal fumes to me
nikita zuleica
post Sep 22 2013, 02:32 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
410 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 22 2013, 02:26 PM)
tarak gambo la
looks like normal fumes to me
*
ssm ape???

user posted image

bulldozer

user posted image

credit MOM
cks2k2
post Sep 22 2013, 02:35 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Sep 22 2013, 02:32 PM)
user posted image
*
that is ARV, armored recovery vehicle.
based on pt-91 chassis.
xtemujin
post Sep 22 2013, 02:42 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
318 posts

Joined: Nov 2009
From: Singapura, Singapore
That's part of the CNIM PFM Motorized pontoon bridge.

QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Sep 22 2013, 02:32 PM)
ssm ape???

user posted image


credit MOM
*
This post has been edited by xtemujin: Sep 22 2013, 02:42 PM
nikita zuleica
post Sep 22 2013, 02:44 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
410 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
QUOTE(xtemujin @ Sep 22 2013, 02:42 PM)
That's the CNIM PFM Motorized pontoon bridge.
*
seriously lol , i tot it was SSM carrier
KYPMbangi
post Sep 22 2013, 02:46 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(AxeFire @ Sep 22 2013, 12:42 PM)
Our tanks looks inferior to those of SG & Indon's new Leopards
or does it only look older but is actually just as good?
*
For our doctrine, it's just as good
Atrey himself is very confident of this tank capability

My concern just the tank is pretty "bare"
Maybe mindef and deftech can join together to develop some kind of modular armor perhaps?
wanvadder
post Sep 22 2013, 02:54 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
94 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
From: Tristram
user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 22 2013, 12:52 PM)
Army Veterans?
user posted image
*
semua veteran level 99 nih, bohong gila

QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 22 2013, 01:13 PM)
also noticed some of the tanks were leaking black oil at the exhaust vents. and One of the Adnans stalled at one point. Wonder what happened to it. good thing is The sporting crowd cheered once it started going again  laugh.gif
*
semalam sibmas enjin mati kat depan main hall, aku dah tak dapat tahan gelak biggrin.gif
asyraff88kmp
post Sep 22 2013, 02:54 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
17 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: The Assassin's HQ
And our tank had undergoes testing in condition more suited in malaysia, plu the weight itself was considered. we're more like defensive rather than offensive military.
aztechx
post Sep 22 2013, 02:58 PM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
QUOTE(wanvadder @ Sep 22 2013, 02:54 PM)
user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
semua veteran level 99 nih, bohong gila
semalam sibmas enjin mati kat depan main hall, aku dah tak dapat tahan gelak biggrin.gif
*
Hahaha sibmas ke tu. Aku ingat adnan. Nak kata mati die dok press press lagi. Ke clutch rosak.hahah. Crowd sporting aa tapi. Aku dah doa2 jgnlaa mati kat situ..malu worrr....
atreyuangel
post Sep 22 2013, 03:08 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Sep 22 2013, 02:32 PM)
ssm ape???

user posted image

bulldozer

user posted image

credit MOM
*
jambatan tu

QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 22 2013, 02:46 PM)
For our doctrine, it's just as good
Atrey himself is very confident of this tank capability

My concern just the tank is pretty "bare"
Maybe mindef and deftech can join together to develop some kind of modular armor perhaps?
*
because I know one of the people that involved with the purchase,
I'm very confident on the sensor, suite even the system of the tank as it derived from the French.
even the material used in the chassis is different from the normal pt91
wanvadder
post Sep 22 2013, 03:18 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
94 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
From: Tristram
user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
KYPMbangi
post Sep 22 2013, 03:59 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
user posted image
What this? some kind of command vehicle?
wanvadder
post Sep 22 2013, 04:02 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
94 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
From: Tristram
QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 22 2013, 03:59 PM)
user posted image
What this? some kind of command vehicle?
*
Astross command vehicle. Direct and orders artillery fire from the Astross.

user posted image
azriel
post Sep 22 2013, 05:31 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
Thai Army's T-84 Oplot-M test trials.
MilitaryMadness
post Sep 22 2013, 09:01 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,302 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
From: Over your shoulder
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 22 2013, 12:52 PM)

Army Veterans?
user posted image

Probably former British Colonial officers that never went back to the UK & continue to serve in ATM.

Not unheard of in other Commonwealth countries.
MilitaryMadness
post Sep 22 2013, 09:17 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,302 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
From: Over your shoulder
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 22 2013, 03:08 PM)
jambatan tu
because I know one of the people that involved with the purchase,
I'm very confident on the sensor, suite even the system of the tank as it derived from the French.
even the material used in the chassis is different from the normal pt91
*
Is no one in Malaysia seriously thinking of manufacturing some slat/cage armor for ATM armored vehicles? It couldn't be that hard,I don't think there's any high-tech processes involved.

A little apprehensive seeing Malbatt's Condors & Land rovers in Lebanon being so bare,no extra armor.
KYPMbangi
post Sep 22 2013, 10:20 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
Trucks of soldiers from the Kenya Defense Forces arrive after dawn outside the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya Sunday, Sept. 22, 2013
user posted image

That is one nice rifle
atreyuangel
post Sep 22 2013, 10:39 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 22 2013, 10:20 PM)
Trucks of soldiers from the Kenya Defense Forces arrive after dawn outside the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya Sunday, Sept. 22, 2013
user posted image

That is one nice rifle
*
scar ke acr tu
cks2k2
post Sep 22 2013, 10:44 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 22 2013, 10:20 PM)
Trucks of soldiers from the Kenya Defense Forces arrive after dawn outside the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya Sunday, Sept. 22, 2013
user posted image

That is one nice rifle
*
SCAR
seem to be better armed than the americans
aztechx
post Sep 22 2013, 10:53 PM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006

VIP Hostage Rescue

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


This post has been edited by aztechx: Sep 23 2013, 08:20 AM
atreyuangel
post Sep 22 2013, 11:23 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 22 2013, 10:53 PM)
VIP Hostage Rescue

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

*
aku tgk vip punya anak pakai baju pink asik dok kenyit2 mata
rasa nak tampar pun ada hahahha
aztechx
post Sep 22 2013, 11:34 PM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
VIP Hostage Rescue (Part 2)

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


This post has been edited by aztechx: Sep 23 2013, 08:32 AM
aztechx
post Sep 22 2013, 11:37 PM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
VIP Hostage Rescue (Part 3)

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
aztechx
post Sep 22 2013, 11:37 PM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 22 2013, 11:23 PM)
aku tgk vip punya anak pakai baju pink asik dok kenyit2 mata
rasa nak tampar pun ada hahahha
*
hahahah ade ke?aku x prasan plakk, tgh dok pk tu jantan ke tino
wanvadder
post Sep 22 2013, 11:40 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
94 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
From: Tristram
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 22 2013, 11:37 PM)
hahahah ade ke?aku x prasan plakk, tgh dok pk tu jantan ke tino
*
oh bagus ada annotation. aku tak dengar pun apa announcer cakap, sebab aku duduk sebelah brader yang coordinate explosive lol
SUSMrUbikeledek
post Sep 22 2013, 11:40 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
580 posts

Joined: Aug 2011
QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 22 2013, 10:20 PM)
Trucks of soldiers from the Kenya Defense Forces arrive after dawn outside the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya Sunday, Sept. 22, 2013
user posted image

That is one nice rifle
*
SCAR-H. the 7.62 x 54 mm version. maybe it's kenya special forces.
kinabalu
post Sep 22 2013, 11:44 PM

20k VIP club
******
Senior Member
1,167 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
From: Joined: Today, 08:45 AM
QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Sep 22 2013, 11:40 PM)
SCAR-H. the 7.62 x 54 mm version. maybe it's kenya special forces.
*
The Kenyan special forces were observed using the SCAR-H while responding to the 2013 Westgate centre shooting.

sos from wiki
atreyuangel
post Sep 23 2013, 12:13 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 22 2013, 11:37 PM)
hahahah ade ke?aku x prasan plakk, tgh dok pk tu jantan ke tino
*
aku tgk kat tv, aku rasa dia kenyit mata kat vip row, kat najib and gang

aku tau dah lelaki, pasal waktu DSA dlu la, tgk awek hostage pakai baju pink gak, tp takde lengan kene selamat masuk LOH A109,
member aku tangkap gambo, aku la cakap kat dia,
"mak aih, lajunya lari masuk helikopter"

pastu member aku tunjuk gambo tu, aku zoom, tengok tangan berketul2 muscle

cissss tipu tertipah laugh.gif
TSyinchet
post Sep 23 2013, 02:31 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(AxeFire @ Sep 22 2013, 01:09 PM)
From my unprofessional observation, I see that the PT91M makes alot of smoke and also has a huge external fuel tank.

That huge fuel tank stick out like a sore thumb what if a round hit it?  hmm.gif
*
Dun worry it just diesel wont explode.

QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Sep 22 2013, 01:23 PM)
apehal baju baru macam bukan untuk malaysia terrain jek =,="  bnyk petak coklat
*
I have yet to see how well it does in the jungle.

QUOTE(meedoot @ Sep 22 2013, 01:30 PM)
nah.. yinchet.. which one more better between indo or malaysia tanks can't be decided unless they meet at the battle, the worst enemy of tanks is another tanks (like gudderian says).. so if i may predict our country will never go into the war.. so.. let make conclusion that both tanks had the same capability..

the wheels are moving my friends.. im sure 100% in the next few years ATM will boost the power, and by that time its my turn to say "im jelly"
*
Hopefully malaysia start shopping again.
We have lots of asset need to be replace.
sranua
post Sep 23 2013, 06:48 AM

Enthusiast
*****
Senior Member
784 posts

Joined: Feb 2005
From: Selangor
Agree with that as new camo or digital..can it blend well in the jungle situation..or is it conceal from IR....
azriel
post Sep 23 2013, 07:30 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
Indonesian Army's Leopard 2A4.



This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 23 2013, 07:32 AM
zimhibikie
post Sep 23 2013, 09:42 AM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 22 2013, 10:53 PM)
VIP Hostage Rescue

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

*
aku tak tahan gelak bila announcer cakap VIP datang ke Pesta Muda-Mudi..so 1960s laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
atreyuangel
post Sep 23 2013, 04:35 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 23 2013, 09:42 AM)
aku tak tahan gelak bila announcer cakap VIP datang ke Pesta Muda-Mudi..so 1960s  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
*
tengok rambut laaaaaa
zimhibikie
post Sep 23 2013, 04:38 PM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 23 2013, 04:35 PM)
tengok rambut laaaaaa
*
I was standing at far side, so kenot see the afro tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif ...

this year, no show on Tamingsari PGM?
atreyuangel
post Sep 23 2013, 04:49 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 23 2013, 04:38 PM)
I was standing at far side, so kenot see the afro  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif ...

this year, no show on Tamingsari PGM?
*
hahaha, aku tgk live, anak perempuan VIP tu gedik laaaa

hmm, where is Izzat when we beed him...
zimhibikie
post Sep 23 2013, 04:51 PM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 23 2013, 04:49 PM)
hahaha, aku tgk live, anak perempuan VIP tu gedik laaaa

hmm, where is Izzat when we beed him...
*
sure its a girl? hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif
xtemujin
post Sep 23 2013, 04:59 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
318 posts

Joined: Nov 2009
From: Singapura, Singapore
My video of the PT91M Pendekar in the new digital camouflage.



This post has been edited by xtemujin: Sep 23 2013, 05:01 PM
atreyuangel
post Sep 23 2013, 07:33 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Sep 23 2013, 04:51 PM)
sure its a girl?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
*
manaaaa jantan tuuuu
aztechx
post Sep 23 2013, 10:57 PM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
QUOTE(xtemujin @ Sep 23 2013, 04:59 PM)
My video of the PT91M Pendekar in the new digital camouflage.


*
Beautiful machines! How often do you see the public crossing the road in front of a freaking tank in malaysia!! shocking.gif


QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 23 2013, 07:33 PM)
manaaaa jantan tuuuu
*
Aku pon rasa semua jantan tu..tp klu btol pompuan menangis die baca thread ni..haha

Ok jap...awek pakai boxer levis ke? hmm.gif

user posted image
Gambar credits to HelangRimba - panggilanpertiwi

This post has been edited by aztechx: Sep 23 2013, 11:01 PM
99FoxDemon
post Sep 23 2013, 11:01 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
23 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
From: East Coast of Cuba.
QUOTE(xtemujin @ Sep 23 2013, 04:59 PM)
My video of the PT91M Pendekar in the new digital camouflage.


*
y the civilian look uncontrollable?? running around in front the tank. are they in retard mode or too excited?? doh.gif shakehead.gif
xtemujin
post Sep 23 2013, 11:21 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
318 posts

Joined: Nov 2009
From: Singapura, Singapore
Malaysian Armed Forces, Special Forces, Grup Gerak Khas (GGK) in the new digital camouflage and PASKAU still in the old camouflage.


2013 SEPT Malaysian Armed Forces 80th Anniversary Grand Parade, Dataran Merdeka, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

This post has been edited by xtemujin: Sep 23 2013, 11:24 PM
azriel
post Sep 24 2013, 10:53 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
user posted image

QUOTE
Monday, 23 September, 2013 | 15:52 WIB

The Army's New Toys Arrive 

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - Indonesian National Army had recently received a set of new defense equipment, which consists of two Leopard 2A4 main battle tanks, and two Marder medium tanks from Germany.

The Army Chief of Staff General Budiman confirmed the tanks' delivery news and said that the it arrived in Tanjung Priok, yesterday, September 22. The tanks are currently being painted and prepared to be sent for active duty.

General Budiman mentioned that the new tanks will help to reinforce the Indonesian Cavalry Division. He added that out of the total 156 tanks purchased by the army, all have been completed and have been operational.

Tempo reported that the tanks arrived sooner than the initial schedule set for October 2013. The four new tank units are a part of the US$ 280 million tank purchase agreement signed by the government last year.

INDRA WIJAYA


source
Naskah
post Sep 24 2013, 11:35 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
72 posts

Joined: Jun 2009
From: TDM Noshahr Canal

SUSmenj
post Sep 24 2013, 12:05 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
314 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: BTHO
Nice photos here:

http://militaryofmalaysia.net/2013/09/ulan...-tentera-darat/
HangPC2
post Sep 24 2013, 02:22 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
EKSESAIS BERSAMA MARITIM MALAYSIA / JAPAN COAST GUARD




KUANTAN, 23 Sept – Eksesais Bersama Maritim Malaysia dan Japan Coast Guard Siri 1/2013 telah diadakan di Wilayah Maritim Timur di sekitar Perairan Kuantan, Pahang dari 17 hingga 21 September 2013.

Eksesais ini bertujuan untuk meningkatkan inter-operability Maritim Malaysia dengan Japan Coast Guard melalui aktiviti maritime interception operations, martial arts training dan subject matter expert exchange.



user posted image
MilitaryMadness
post Sep 24 2013, 02:56 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,302 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
From: Over your shoulder
QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Sep 24 2013, 02:22 PM)
EKSESAIS BERSAMA MARITIM MALAYSIA / JAPAN COAST GUARD
KUANTAN, 23 Sept – Eksesais Bersama Maritim Malaysia dan Japan Coast Guard Siri 1/2013 telah diadakan di Wilayah Maritim Timur di sekitar Perairan Kuantan, Pahang dari 17 hingga 21 September 2013.

Eksesais ini bertujuan untuk meningkatkan inter-operability Maritim Malaysia dengan Japan Coast Guard melalui aktiviti maritime interception operations, martial arts training dan subject matter expert exchange.
user posted image

*
Aku suka tol Malaysia senyap2 je buat latihan perang dengan banyak armed forces negara luar,ramai orang tak tau.Dah selesai baru keluar berita.
Ada sestengah negara tu (ehem ehem) kalau ada war exercise sebulan sebelum mula dah kecoh. Kerjasama unggul la,our closest allies la, sahabat dulu,kini dan selama la (oops!).....
azriel
post Sep 24 2013, 03:25 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
US Marine Personnel Carrier - Terrex 8x8 undergone swim testing.

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

source
wanvadder
post Sep 24 2013, 03:39 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
94 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
From: Tristram
Geng paling bahaya

user posted image

user posted image
keown83
post Sep 24 2013, 04:06 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
172 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: penang wit love
Geng Khak Tui 04 LOL!
zimhibikie
post Sep 24 2013, 04:14 PM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(wanvadder @ Sep 24 2013, 03:39 PM)
Geng paling bahaya

user posted image

*
QUOTE(keown83 @ Sep 24 2013, 04:06 PM)
Geng Khak Tui 04 LOL!
*
Geng Bas Sekolah tuh laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
azriel
post Sep 24 2013, 08:42 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE
SKorea Rejects Boeing, Says F-15 Not Good Enough

SEOUL, South Korea September 24, 2013 (AP)
By HYUNG-JIN KIM Associated Press

South Korea on Tuesday rejected Boeing Co.'s bid to supply 60 fighter jets in the country's largest-ever weapons purchase even though it was the sole remaining bidder, and said it would reopen the tender.

Boeing had offered its F-15 Silent Eagle, but South Korean critics have said the warplane lacks state-of-the-art stealth capabilities and cannot effectively cope with North Korea's increasing nuclear threats.

Defense Ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok said officials decided at a meeting Tuesday to delay naming a winning bidder for the 8.3 trillion won ($7.7 billion) purchase, and would restart the bidding process at an early date.

He said South Korea must have better air power in line with an international trend to develop "fifth generation" fighters, and said the rejection of Boeing's bid was made in consideration of North Korea's nuclear weapons program and other factors. Ministry officials said he was referring to a warplane with cutting-edge radar-evading stealth functions which Boeing's plane does not have.

Boeing said in a statement that it was "deeply disappointed" by Tuesday's decision, adding it "rigorously" followed the South Korean arms procurement agency's instructions throughout the entire process.

Lockheed Martin's F-35 Joint Strike Fighter and EADS' Eurofighter Typhoon earlier competed in the bidding process but were eliminated for exceeding Seoul's budget cap.

The F-35 jet, which has been plagued by schedule delays and cost overruns, is widely regarded as a much more advanced and capable aircraft than its predecessors.

Japan announced in 2011 that it would buy 42 F-35 jets in a deal expected to cost more than $5 billion. Japan hopes to receive its first F-35s in 2016, at a cost of about $120 million per plane. But last year it threatened to cancel the multibillion-dollar deal if prices continue to rise or delays threaten the delivery date.

South Korea has traditionally favored importing fighter jets and other weapons from the U.S., which stations 28,500 troops in the country as deterrence against potential aggression from North Korea.

This spring, tensions on the Korean peninsula rose sharply, with Pyongyang threatening nuclear wars to protest toughened U.N. sanctions after its third nuclear test in February. The U.S. took the unusual step of sending its most powerful warplanes — B-2 stealth bombers, F-22 stealth fighters and B-52 bombers — to drills with South Korea in a show of force. B-2 and B-52 bombers are capable of delivering nuclear weapons.

In recent days, South Korean media, retired generals and weapons experts had pressed the government not to pick the F-15 Silent Eagle, arguing better stealth capabilities were needed.

"Only with stealth capabilities can (warplanes) covertly infiltrate North Korea and get rid of its nuclear threats," a group of 15 former air force chiefs of staff said in a recent letter addressed to President Park Geun-hye.

The rivals Koreas have hundreds of thousands of combat-ready troops along a heavily armed border as the 1950-53 Korean War ended in a truce, not a peace treaty. North Korea's air force is relatively old and ill-prepared, but has a large number of aircraft that could be a factor if a conflict were to break out.


source
47100
post Sep 24 2013, 08:54 PM

47170
****
Junior Member
559 posts

Joined: May 2006
From: 1,234
QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Sep 23 2013, 11:01 PM)
y the civilian look uncontrollable?? running around in front the tank. are they in retard mode or too excited??  doh.gif  shakehead.gif
*
may enlighten me what are the cylinders mounted on the turrent? flares? smokes? icon_question.gif
azriel
post Sep 24 2013, 09:01 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE(47100 @ Sep 24 2013, 08:54 PM)
may enlighten me what are the cylinders mounted on the turrent? flares? smokes? icon_question.gif
*
Smoke grenades. Same as this "Decepticon" Leopard 2A4. biggrin.gif

user posted image
cks2k2
post Sep 24 2013, 09:11 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 24 2013, 08:42 PM)
source
*
Not sure how having a couple of f-35s is that useful against NK.
NK is a large country with plenty of places for the nukes to be hidden.
atreyuangel
post Sep 24 2013, 09:31 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 24 2013, 02:56 PM)
Aku suka tol Malaysia senyap2 je buat latihan perang dengan banyak armed forces negara luar,ramai orang tak tau.Dah selesai baru keluar berita.
Ada sestengah negara tu (ehem ehem) kalau ada war exercise sebulan sebelum mula dah kecoh. Kerjasama unggul la,our closest allies la, sahabat dulu,kini dan selama la (oops!).....
*
I see what you did there laaaa tongue.gif

QUOTE(47100 @ Sep 24 2013, 08:54 PM)
may enlighten me what are the cylinders mounted on the turrent? flares? smokes? icon_question.gif
*
for smoke screen
asyraff88kmp
post Sep 24 2013, 09:38 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
17 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: The Assassin's HQ
user posted image

Smoke screen deploy
lucifer_666
post Sep 24 2013, 10:47 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
234 posts

Joined: Oct 2008
QUOTE(wanvadder @ Sep 22 2013, 02:54 PM)

user posted image

*
was wondering... are those ERA on the tank during the exhibition day the real deal? or its just for mock display/dummy? hmm.gif
atreyuangel
post Sep 24 2013, 10:49 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Sep 24 2013, 10:47 PM)
was wondering... are those ERA on the tank during the exhibition day the real deal? or its just for mock display/dummy?  hmm.gif
*
real
wanvadder
post Sep 24 2013, 10:51 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
94 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
From: Tristram
QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Sep 24 2013, 10:47 PM)
was wondering... are those ERA on the tank during the exhibition day the real deal? or its just for mock display/dummy?  hmm.gif
*
real
lucifer_666
post Sep 24 2013, 10:57 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
234 posts

Joined: Oct 2008
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 24 2013, 10:49 PM)
real
*
so on its own, the ERA is rather safe/stable/inert, i suppose? considering the close proximity of such high explosive materials to the public during the day. just curious... biggrin.gif

since iirc, whenever our fighters are on static display, the missiles on display are dummies and the real thing are stored elsewhere. even missiles displayed on that day are dummies as well, am i right? hmm.gif
atreyuangel
post Sep 24 2013, 10:59 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Sep 24 2013, 10:57 PM)
so on its own, the ERA is rather safe/stable/inert, i suppose? considering the close proximity of such high explosive materials to the public during the day. just curious...  biggrin.gif

since iirc, whenever our fighters are on static display, the missiles on display are dummies and the real thing are stored elsewhere. even missiles displayed on that day are dummies as well, am i right?  hmm.gif
*
usually dummy or training missile
lucifer_666
post Sep 24 2013, 11:00 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
234 posts

Joined: Oct 2008
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 24 2013, 10:59 PM)
usually dummy or training missile
*
okay. so the ERA on display are real, but the missiles are either training round or dummy.

thanks for explanation notworthy.gif
atreyuangel
post Sep 24 2013, 11:04 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Sep 24 2013, 11:00 PM)
okay. so the ERA on display are real, but the missiles are either training round or dummy.

thanks for explanation  notworthy.gif
*
the real missile you can see usually at the booth or the ones without any warhead
asyraff88kmp
post Sep 24 2013, 11:05 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
17 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: The Assassin's HQ


Explosive Reactive Armor explained, with Malay subtitle!
KYPMbangi
post Sep 24 2013, 11:20 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008

azriel
post Sep 25 2013, 10:39 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 22 2013, 02:26 PM)
looks like normal fumes to me
*
I'm no expert in engines but i don't think it's normal if a liquid black oil fluid leaking from an exhaust. If the area around the exhaust is blackened caused by fumes & smokes from the diesel then it's normal. The exhaust looks like it's dripping liquid black oil fluids. Maybe i'm wrong though.

Another picture from V9 thread posted by Tiger I.

user posted image

This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 25 2013, 02:41 PM
azriel
post Sep 25 2013, 11:32 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE
The Singapore Army and Australian Defence Force (ADF) recently conducted a bilateral armour exercise, codenamed Matilda, at the Mount Bundey Training Area in Darwin, Australia. About 100 personnel from the 48th Battalion, Singapore Armoured Regiment (48 SAR) and their Leopard 2SG Main Battle Tanks (MBTs) were involved in the training with their ADF counterparts from the 1st Armoured Regiment.


user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

source

This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 25 2013, 11:34 AM
cks2k2
post Sep 25 2013, 11:36 AM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 25 2013, 10:39 AM)
I'm no expert in engines but i don't think it's normal if a liquid black oil fluid leaking from an exhaust. If the area around the exhaust is blackened cause by fumes & smokes from the diesel then it's normal. The exhaust looks like it's dripping liquid black oil fluids. Maybe i'm wrong though.

Another picture from V9 thread posted by Tiger I.

user posted image
*
i always wondered what that big round cylinder thing at the back is.
99FoxDemon
post Sep 25 2013, 11:39 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
23 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
From: East Coast of Cuba.
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Sep 25 2013, 11:36 AM)
i always wondered what that big round cylinder thing at the back is.
*
additional fuel tank.

This post has been edited by 99FoxDemon: Sep 25 2013, 11:39 AM
azriel
post Sep 25 2013, 12:14 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Sep 25 2013, 11:36 AM)
i always wondered what that big round cylinder thing at the back is.
*
Extra fuel tank. Common feature in the T-series tank. The Challenger 2 also uses extra fuel tank.

user posted image

This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 25 2013, 01:03 PM
HangPC2
post Sep 25 2013, 12:18 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
COMPARISON : The evolution of the #VLS #launchers in #Chinese #destroyers


Side by side comparison of the Type #052D Guided #Missile Destroyer and Type #052C Guided Missile Destroyer of People's Liberation Army Navy.



user posted image
atreyuangel
post Sep 25 2013, 12:49 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 25 2013, 10:39 AM)
I'm no expert in engines but i don't think it's normal if a liquid black oil fluid leaking from an exhaust. If the area around the exhaust is blackened cause by fumes & smokes from the diesel then it's normal. The exhaust looks like it's dripping liquid black oil fluids. Maybe i'm wrong though.

Another picture from V9 thread posted by Tiger I.

user posted image
*
this is normal when there is high revving involved
but I only see this on lorry

This post has been edited by atreyuangel: Sep 25 2013, 12:49 PM
HangPC2
post Sep 25 2013, 12:50 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
S.Korea reject F 15 SE, will FX III Restart



Korea decided Tuesday not to select Boeing’s F-15 Silent Eagle (SE) as its next generation fighter, meaning that the $7.5 bil. project will start again from scratch.

The nation’s arms procurement agency said it recommended the Boeing fighter jet to its top decision-making committee, chaired by Defense Minister Kim Kwan-jin, but the latter did not pick the company as a provider of 60 new aircraft to replace the Air Force’s older jets.

“ The committee reached the decision after an in-depth discussion based on a comprehensive evaluation, ” Defense Acquisition Program Agency (DAPA) spokesman Baek Youn-hyeong said in a briefing.

He added that DAPA will promptly restart the project to minimize the security vacuum by consulting related organizations to revise the total budget and requirements.

The Ministry of National Defense said that the current security situation heavily affected the committee’s decision.

“ A majority of the committee members agreed to reject the F-15 and restart the project, taking into consideration North Korea’s threats including nuclear weapons and the latest advances in aerospace technology development, ” ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok said.

“ They agreed that the Air Force needs fifth-generation combat jets to keep pace with the latest trend and to deter provocations by North Korea. ”

In response, Boeing said it was “ deeply disappointed ” by the decision. “ Boeing has rigorously followed the Defense Acquisition Program Administration’s instructions throughout the entire process. We await details from DAPA on its basis for the delay while evaluating our next option, ” it said in a statement.

With no decision, the introduction of new planes might be further delayed for up to a couple of years. The program has been put back four times since last October, which has pushed the first delivery date to August 2017 from December 2016.

Following the arms procurement agency’s extended bidding from June to August, Boeing remained the lone bidder within the 8.3 trillion won budget.

However, due to the public image of the F-15 SE being developed from a 1970s F-15 platform and having limited stealth functions, the aircraft faced strong opposition.

Boeing stressed that improvements would have included its newest radar system.

“ We can deliver the APG-82 AESA radar and the Korean Air Force would be the first, other than the U.S. Air Force, to use the system, ” said a Boeing official.

Despite the improvements, the stealth function seems to have doomed the Silent Eagle, which was to have featured a conformal weapons bay and radar-absorbent material.

To make Boeing’s situation worse, 15 retired Air Force chiefs last month sent letters to the National Assembly, presidential office and defense ministry recommending the government acquire an “asymmetric air defense capability,” which prioritizes stealth jets such as the F-35, to protect against North Korea.

The F-X III is aimed at replacing an aging fleet of F-4s and F-5s, but further delays are expected to create a void in the Air Force’s strength as about 140 old jets are to be retired in 2019.

Given the possible lack of aircraft in the near future, the Air Force, initially keen to purchase the F-35 due to its stealth capability, changed its stance due to concern over further delays in replacing its older jets.



Sources : http://koreatimes.co.kr
aztechx
post Sep 25 2013, 02:10 PM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 25 2013, 12:49 PM)
this is normal when there is high revving involved
but I only see this on lorry
*
I kinda agree with azriel, it does look odd the oil dripping onto the road as below, not that im worried, but we know how easily the 'media' can pick on things like these..

user posted image

From another pt-91, showing less significant drips
user posted image

This post has been edited by aztechx: Sep 25 2013, 02:19 PM
atreyuangel
post Sep 25 2013, 02:12 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 25 2013, 02:10 PM)
I kinda agree with azriel, it does look odd the oil dripping onto the road as below, not that im worried but we know how easily the 'media' can pick on things like these..

user posted image

From another pt-91, showing less significant drips
user posted image
*
hmm, this is interesting
aztechx
post Sep 25 2013, 02:33 PM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 25 2013, 02:12 PM)
hmm, this is interesting
*
Klu tgk asap cmni,Engine oil bako kot.ke normal?.aku pon x pandai sgt tanks2 ni..

user posted image
azriel
post Sep 25 2013, 02:36 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 25 2013, 02:10 PM)
From another pt-91, showing less significant drips
user posted image
*
This one looks like the dripping been wiped clean but u still can see the grease stain though.

This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 25 2013, 03:26 PM
cks2k2
post Sep 25 2013, 02:38 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 25 2013, 02:33 PM)
Klu tgk asap cmni,Engine oil bako kot.ke normal?.aku pon x pandai sgt tanks2 ni..

user posted image
*
dat is to create smoke screen.
SUSMrUbikeledek
post Sep 25 2013, 02:41 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
580 posts

Joined: Aug 2011
QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Sep 25 2013, 12:18 PM)
COMPARISON : The evolution of the #VLS #launchers in #Chinese #destroyers
Side by side comparison of the Type #052D Guided #Missile Destroyer and Type #052C Guided Missile Destroyer of People's Liberation Army Navy.
user posted image
*
notice also the phased array radar is flat in D.
atreyuangel
post Sep 25 2013, 02:48 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 25 2013, 02:33 PM)
Klu tgk asap cmni,Engine oil bako kot.ke normal?.aku pon x pandai sgt tanks2 ni..

user posted image
*
ini kene tanya kaki diesel ni
HangPC2
post Sep 25 2013, 03:35 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا



SUSMrUbikeledek
post Sep 25 2013, 03:48 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
580 posts

Joined: Aug 2011
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 25 2013, 02:48 PM)
ini kene tanya kaki diesel ni
*
smoke screen dia. biasanya dia akan sembur minyak diesel kat ekzoz. tu yg berasap tuh.
HangPC2
post Sep 25 2013, 04:28 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Britain's Secret War : The Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation 1962-1966



» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
KYPMbangi
post Sep 25 2013, 04:55 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Sep 25 2013, 03:35 PM)


*
Nice, they certainly improved the "facelift"

From here
user posted image

To here
user posted image
TSyinchet
post Sep 25 2013, 05:29 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
Aduh, i didn't expect most of you don't know about t55, t62 and t72 can produce smoke screen by injecting diesel into the exhaust system.
Perhaps it is too old school? hmm.gif

Btw t72 can dig it own tranches. I can't find such picture anymore.
SUSbubu2010
post Sep 25 2013, 05:34 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
66 posts

Joined: Sep 2010
QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 25 2013, 05:29 PM)
Aduh, i didn't expect most of you don't know about t55, t62 and t72 can produce smoke screen by injecting diesel into the exhaust system.
Perhaps it is too old school? hmm.gif

Btw t72 can dig it own tranches. I can't find such picture anymore.
*
If you guys are interested to share your knowledge with other ASEAN countries, you guys are welcome to join this group smile.gif

https://www.facebook.com/groups/aseanmilitarydiscussion/
TSyinchet
post Sep 25 2013, 05:43 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(bubu2010 @ Sep 25 2013, 05:34 PM)
If you guys are interested to share your knowledge with other ASEAN countries, you guys are welcome to join this group smile.gif

https://www.facebook.com/groups/aseanmilitarydiscussion/
*
I dun use fb. smile.gif
99FoxDemon
post Sep 25 2013, 05:44 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
23 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
From: East Coast of Cuba.
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 25 2013, 02:33 PM)
Klu tgk asap cmni,Engine oil bako kot.ke normal?.aku pon x pandai sgt tanks2 ni..

user posted image
*
maybe after they make smoke screen like this than the side effect from that is something like black oil dripping from exhaust.
SUSbubu2010
post Sep 25 2013, 05:46 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
66 posts

Joined: Sep 2010
QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 25 2013, 05:43 PM)
I dun use fb. smile.gif
*
LOL, if you use facebook, it will be nice, sound is like you have the knowledge about military affairs. I need much people like you uncle smile.gif That is why I am organizing all the people from ASEAN countries to share the knowledge about military affairs and hardware. Because each person has own knowledge smile.gif
SUSbubu2010
post Sep 25 2013, 05:48 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
66 posts

Joined: Sep 2010
QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Sep 25 2013, 04:28 PM)
Britain's Secret War : The Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation 1962-1966
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


*
At that time was Sukarno did it right until Suhardo controls Indonesia and stopped war with Malaysia. Sounds is like Malaysia and Indonesia will take time for peace? Then later how you guys will solve south china sea case with China?? smile.gif
pcboss00
post Sep 25 2013, 05:54 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
177 posts

Joined: Jul 2013
user posted image
Dutch!
TSyinchet
post Sep 25 2013, 06:02 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Sep 25 2013, 05:44 PM)
maybe after they make smoke screen like this than the side effect from that is something like black oil dripping from exhaust.
*
Challenger 2 able to use the method of smoke screen but they dun make such mess.
Not sure if other t72 variants and t90 having the same problem. hmm.gif

QUOTE(bubu2010 @ Sep 25 2013, 05:46 PM)
LOL, if you use facebook, it will be nice, sound is like you have the knowledge about military affairs. I need much people like you uncle smile.gif That is why I am organizing all the people from ASEAN countries to share the knowledge about military affairs and hardware. Because each person has own knowledge smile.gif
*
I'm still have lots of things to learn in military.
Too bad i'm not into fb.
gestapo
post Sep 25 2013, 06:03 PM

Full HD Post Count
******
Senior Member
1,160 posts

Joined: Dec 2004
From: Subang Jaya USJ
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 25 2013, 02:10 PM)
I kinda agree with azriel, it does look odd the oil dripping onto the road as below, not that im worried, but we know how easily the 'media' can pick on things like these..

user posted image

From another pt-91, showing less significant drips
user posted image
*
are they not fitted with the ASM350 engines?
PleaseEnterYourName
post Sep 25 2013, 06:04 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
386 posts

Joined: Jan 2006
From: between 0 and 1
QUOTE(bubu2010 @ Sep 25 2013, 05:46 PM)
LOL, if you use facebook, it will be nice, sound is like you have the knowledge about military affairs. I need much people like you uncle smile.gif That is why I am organizing all the people from ASEAN countries to share the knowledge about military affairs and hardware. Because each person has own knowledge smile.gif
*
told u already.. information leak...
heavyduty
post Sep 25 2013, 06:18 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
127 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 25 2013, 05:29 PM)

Btw t72 can dig it own tranches. I can't find such picture anymore.
*
The self entrenching tool is not unique to Russian tanks. NATO tanks also have them

The dozer blade is mainly used for clearing obstacles. It takes about 30 minutes for for the tank to dig a trench. Not as fast as a dedicated engineering vehicle but better than the 10 back breaking hours needed by the crew to dig
Btw,I don't see the need for digital camo on vehicles . They would be covered in mud and shit most of the time. A dark green paint scheme costs less than a three tone paint scheme
TSyinchet
post Sep 25 2013, 06:20 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(gestapo @ Sep 25 2013, 06:03 PM)
are they not fitted with the ASM350 engines?
*
Never heard of such engines.

QUOTE(PleaseEnterYourName @ Sep 25 2013, 06:04 PM)
told u already.. information leak...
*
One of the reason y i'm not into fb.
TSyinchet
post Sep 25 2013, 06:24 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(heavyduty @ Sep 25 2013, 06:18 PM)
The self entrenching tool is not unique to Russian tanks. NATO tanks also have them

The dozer blade is mainly used for clearing obstacles. It takes about 30 minutes for for the tank to dig a trench. Not as fast as a dedicated engineering vehicle but better than the 10 back breaking hours needed by the crew to dig
Btw,I don't see the need for digital camo on vehicles . They would be covered in mud and shit most of the time. A dark green paint scheme costs less than a three tone paint scheme
*
Nato tanks rarely use it though.
Mayb just me. hmm.gif
ikmal2129
post Sep 25 2013, 07:08 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
67 posts

Joined: Sep 2011
From: Heaven
QUOTE
user posted image

Malaysia Has An Option Now To Consider Advanced Super Hornets, Says Boeing Official

KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 25 (Bernama) -- Malaysia can now
consider the Advanced Super Hornet for its multi-role
combat aircraft needs, which offers significant
retrofittable enhancements, including a 50 per cent
increase in the capability to avoid radar detection, an
enhanced engine and additional 260 nautical miles range.

Mike Gibbons, Boeing's Vice-President for F/A-18 &
EA-18 Programmes, said the fighter aircraft's additional
combat range has been made possible because of the
conformal fuel tanks, which gives it a great advantage in
being able to fly faster than with external tanks, making
it more formidable against enemy aircraft and other
threats.

This, along with other advanced features such as an
upgraded electronic warfare system, integrated counter-
measure system and enclosed weapons pod, has caught
the eye of many of the Super Hornet's current and
potential customers including the US Navy and Royal
Australian Air Force.

Gibbons said the increase in price for the Advanced
Super Hornet package would currently be nil because
Malaysia can buy the Block II Super Hornet and then
decide what it wants to do later in terms of retrofitting.

These advancements, which could be affordably
retrofitted on an existing Block II Super Hornet aircraft or
included on a new jet, were relayed to the Royal
Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) and Defence Ministry
officials during Gibbons recent visit to Malaysia.

RMAF reportedly has a requirement for 18 fighters to
replace its MiG-29s as well as for three airborne early
warning aircraft.

Depending on what the customer wants, Gibbons said
the additional cost of the full suite of the enhancements
and what he describes as technology evolutionary
changes to the renowned Super Hornet fighter aircraft
would be about 10 per cent.

"We, the Hornet Industry Team, comprising Boeing and
our partners Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and GE
Aviation, always like to push the edge of what we can
do to the jet beyond the customers' requirements," he
told a media briefing.

Designed with a lot of growth, he said: "Customers see
what we can do (when) we mature the technologies and
they want those (advancements)."
Boeing and the Hornet Industry Team are investing in
next-generation capabilities, so warfighters have what
they need and when they need it, which enables the
customer to acquire it in a cost-effective manner.

The improvements will ensure that the Advanced Super
Hornet outpaces enemy aircraft and defences through
2030 and beyond, especially when that enemy tries to
deny access to a specific area, such as skies over
international waters near its assets.

The enhanced features of the Advanced Super Hornet
could be made available to customers as early as in
2018, Gibbons said, adding that its advanced crew
station was in immediate demand in the international
fighter market.

Additional advanced features customers can get the
Advanced Super Hornet include enhanced survivability,
internal infra-red search and track (IRST), radar
upgrades, an enhanced engine that includes a 20 per
cent greater thrust, and a next-generation cockpit.

Advanced Super Hornet prototype flights commenced on
Aug 5, 2013 from Boeing's manufacturing plant in St
Louis, the United States.

http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v7/ge/ne...l.php?id=980341


brows.gif brows.gif
heavyduty
post Sep 25 2013, 07:14 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
127 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
That's because of the wide availability of dedicated engineering vehicles who could do the job better.

The blades interfere with the tanks ability to climb obstacles so they were fitted only when needed
atreyuangel
post Sep 25 2013, 08:06 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 25 2013, 05:29 PM)
Aduh, i didn't expect most of you don't know about t55, t62 and t72 can produce smoke screen by injecting diesel into the exhaust system.
Perhaps it is too old school? hmm.gif

Btw t72 can dig it own tranches. I can't find such picture anymore.
*
I learned something new today laugh.gif
gestapo
post Sep 25 2013, 08:21 PM

Full HD Post Count
******
Senior Member
1,160 posts

Joined: Dec 2004
From: Subang Jaya USJ


QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 25 2013, 06:20 PM)
Never heard of such engines.

*
this one la ESM350

QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Sep 24 2013, 11:20 PM)

*
KYPMbangi
post Sep 25 2013, 08:37 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(gestapo @ Sep 25 2013, 08:21 PM)
this one la ESM350
*
You can see the T-72 equipped with esm-350 power pack also got that same black oil belching on the exhaust part.
It's the nature of the engine I guess?
cks2k2
post Sep 25 2013, 08:53 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(ikmal2129 @ Sep 25 2013, 07:08 PM)
brows.gif brows.gif
*
thought all cancel?
aztechx
post Sep 25 2013, 09:48 PM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 25 2013, 05:29 PM)
Aduh, i didn't expect most of you don't know about t55, t62 and t72 can produce smoke screen by injecting diesel into the exhaust system.
Perhaps it is too old school? hmm.gif

Btw t72 can dig it own tranches. I can't find such picture anymore.
*
Whoaaaa interesting!!thanks for the info btw..now its t me to study uncle google.. laugh.gif

QUOTE(ikmal2129 @ Sep 25 2013, 07:08 PM)
brows.gif brows.gif
*
Interesting, those conformal tanks gives it a stealthy look already..
xtemujin
post Sep 25 2013, 10:17 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
318 posts

Joined: Nov 2009
From: Singapura, Singapore
South Korea dumps Boeing fighter jet tender, Lockheed soars back
By Joyce Lee and Ju-min Park | 24 September 2013 Tuesday | 11:47am EDT

(Reuters) - South Korea's government bowed to public pressure on Tuesday and voted down a bid by Boeing (BA.N) to supply 60 warplanes, saying it would restart the multi-billion tender process to get a more advanced, radar-evading fighter.

Lockheed Martin's (LMT.N) F-35A, previously considered too expensive, has shot to the front of the line in the race for the contract after the defence ministry singled out a fifth-generation fighter as the preferred option.

The fifth generation F-35A, complete with its hi-tech stealth capability, has already been ordered by the United States and seven other countries, including Japan and Israel.

Boeing's F-15 Silent Eagle, the only bid within budget, had been poised to win the 8.3 trillion won ($7.7 billion) tender. But former military top brass and ruling party lawmakers had criticised the plane for lacking stealth capabilities.

"Our air force thinks that we need combat capabilities in response to the latest trend of aerospace technology development centered around the fifth generation fighter jets and to provocations from North Korea," defence ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok told reporters.

Experts said the phrasing of that statement meant Boeing had a slim chance in the next round. While the F-15 Silent Eagle offered passive stealth, its electronic warfare equipment left it visible to adversaries.

A third bid by the Eurofighter consortium's Typhoon was also ruled out for going over the finance ministry's budget. Under South Korean law, only bids under budget are eligible to win defence contracts.

Experts said a deal with Boeing or Lockheed Martin was most likely because of South Korea's close military alliance with the United States against the belligerent North.

The South Korean government and air force will map out a fresh tender process and consider a new budget, possibly reducing the number of planes sought to 40 or 50.

The defence ministry said it could take around one year to complete the new tender round.

"DAPA...will swiftly pursue the program again in order to minimize the vacuum in combat capabilities," South Korea's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA), which led the assessment of the fighters, said in a statement.

FRESH START FOR LOCKHEED

The collapse of the deal means a fresh start to Lockheed Martin, which has recently taken a new order from the Netherlands for the F-35. Britain, Australia, Italy, Norway, Israel and Japan have also placed orders.

Lockheed has set its sights on additional orders from Norway, Britain and Turkey before year's end.

Increased production of the F-35 aircraft could allow the U.S. government and Lockheed to lower the tender bid. A U.S. Air Force general vowed this month to keep lowering the cost to build and operate the F-35.

"We will continue to support the U.S. government in its offer of the F-35A to Korea," Lockheed Martin's South Korean representative said after the decision.

In Washington, the Pentagon's F-35 program office said it had not been officially notified of South Korea's decision, but was ready to support Seoul's efforts to buy a fighter jet.

U.S. military officials say the biggest strength of the F-35, in addition to radar-evading coatings and configuration, is its ability to fuse data from other aircraft and sensors. This allows it to help identify targets for other fighters, and essentially command the battlefield.

Richard Aboulafia with the Virginia-based Teal Group said the decision was bad news for Boeing, which is bracing for slowing production of other aircraft, including its C-17 transport plane and F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter.

He said there was still a small chance that South Korea could decide to buy an additional squadron of F-15K fighters.

Boeing said in a statement it was deeply disappointed by the decision. The company has spent significant sums to develop the Silent Eagle variant of the F-15 and has cultivated strong ties to South Korean industry.

"We await details from DAPA on its basis for the delay while evaluating our next options," Boeing said.

A DAPA official said South Korea had followed the rules in the bidding process, but declined to comment on possible legal action by Boeing.

A local representative of the Eurofighter consortium said it would participate when the project restarted.

The DAPA had estimated that any delay in the tender process could leave the South Korean air force 100 fighters short of the 430 jets deemed necessary by 2019.

Last month, 15 South Korean former air force chiefs signed a petition opposing selection of the F-15, saying it lacked stealth capabilities of more modern aircraft.

($1 = 1073.9500 Korean won)

(Additional reporting by Andrea Shalal-Esa in Washington; Editing by Jeremy Laurence and David Gregorio)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/24/...E98N00R20130924
ayanami_tard
post Sep 25 2013, 11:36 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
i'm quite sure our pendekar used the MTU engine
TSyinchet
post Sep 26 2013, 01:22 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
Esm350 is a transmission.
Pzl wola s1000 is the engine for our pendekar
MilitaryMadness
post Sep 26 2013, 01:39 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,302 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
From: Over your shoulder
QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 25 2013, 05:29 PM)
Aduh, i didn't expect most of you don't know about t55, t62 and t72 can produce smoke screen by injecting diesel into the exhaust system.
Perhaps it is too old school? hmm.gif

Btw t72 can dig it own tranches. I can't find such picture anymore.
*
Any internal combustion engined vehicle can also generate smoke by injecting fuel into the exhaust system.Those small airplanes that write sky messages do it all the time. Hell,you can do to your car if you want.

Anyway,no need for tanks or the crew to dig proper trenches,just pile up an earth embankment in front of the tank can also put the tank in a hull-down position and offer good defense from attack,also a trench can be hard to reverse for a tank,an earth embankment can protect the front of the tank and if in trouble,the tank can reverse easily to another position.

But I think you all got the tactics backwards,Soviet doctrine is for full armored attack with speed and maneuverability,that's why Soviet-designed tanks are smaller,lighter and ride lower,to make a small target for enemy defences. Meanwhile NATO doctrine dictates tanks must fight defensively, that's why NATO tanks are bigger and more armored for more survivability and taller so it's easier to deploy in hull-down fighting position. So NATO tanks should be the ones fighting from defensive position and Soviet tanks are the ones charging an enemy in overwhelming numbers.

user posted image
M2 Bradley hull-down position behind an earthen embankment

user posted image
Difference in size between M1 Abrams (Blue) and T-90 (Red)

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Sep 26 2013, 01:51 AM
SUSmarine88
post Sep 26 2013, 01:45 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,781 posts

Joined: Feb 2007
Can a normal civillian play 50 calibre machine gun? where to play?
99FoxDemon
post Sep 26 2013, 01:47 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
23 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
From: East Coast of Cuba.
QUOTE(marine88 @ Sep 26 2013, 01:45 AM)
Can a normal civillian play 50 calibre machine gun? where to play?
*
ukraine~ they got military tourism can drive a tank or even a jet fighter. laugh.gif
SUSmarine88
post Sep 26 2013, 01:48 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,781 posts

Joined: Feb 2007
QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Sep 26 2013, 02:47 AM)
ukraine~ they got military tourism can drive a tank or even a jet fighter.  laugh.gif
*
malaysia dont have? sad.gif
KYPMbangi
post Sep 26 2013, 02:01 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(marine88 @ Sep 26 2013, 01:45 AM)
Can a normal civillian play 50 calibre machine gun? where to play?
*
Vietnam, Cu Chi Tunnels tour
Got pretty much all the rifles used in the vietnam war
zimhibikie
post Sep 26 2013, 06:12 AM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
From Hari ATM...

user posted image
user posted image
cks2k2
post Sep 26 2013, 08:46 AM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 26 2013, 01:39 AM)
Any internal combustion engined vehicle can also generate smoke by injecting fuel into the exhaust system.Those small airplanes that write sky messages do it all the time. Hell,you can do to your car if you want.

Anyway,no need for tanks or the crew to dig proper trenches,just pile up an earth embankment in front of the tank can also put the tank in a hull-down position and offer good defense from attack,also a trench can be hard to reverse for a tank,an earth embankment can protect the front of the tank and if in trouble,the tank can reverse easily to another position.

But I think you all got the tactics backwards,Soviet doctrine is for full armored attack with speed and maneuverability,that's why Soviet-designed tanks are smaller,lighter and ride lower,to make a small target for enemy defences. Meanwhile NATO doctrine dictates tanks must fight defensively, that's why NATO tanks are bigger and more armored for more survivability and taller so it's easier to deploy in hull-down fighting position. So NATO tanks should be the ones fighting from defensive position and Soviet tanks are the ones charging an enemy in overwhelming numbers.

user posted image
M2 Bradley hull-down position behind an earthen embankment

user posted image
Difference in size between M1 Abrams (Blue) and T-90 (Red)
*
but russian tanks have limited range of gun depression because of their low profile design, they have to expose themselves more in a hull-down position.
azriel
post Sep 26 2013, 09:24 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 25 2013, 05:29 PM)
Aduh, i didn't expect most of you don't know about t55, t62 and t72 can produce smoke screen by injecting diesel into the exhaust system.
Perhaps it is too old school? hmm.gif

Btw t72 can dig it own tranches. I can't find such picture anymore.
*
Thank you. That explains it.

QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 25 2013, 02:33 PM)
Klu tgk asap cmni,Engine oil bako kot.ke normal?.aku pon x pandai sgt tanks2 ni..

user posted image
*
First i thought it was the engine start-up. As explained it was obviously a smoke screen. But why would the tank create a smoke screen in a parade and in front of a crowd where there is a lot of families with their small children watching meters away? Isn't the smoke hazardous?

This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 26 2013, 09:25 AM
MilitaryMadness
post Sep 26 2013, 09:42 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,302 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
From: Over your shoulder
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Sep 26 2013, 08:46 AM)
but russian tanks have limited range of gun depression because of their low profile design, they have to expose themselves more in a hull-down position.
*
That's the whole point of my answer,Soviet-designed tanks are not designed for defensive fighting because the Soviet combat doctrine is for attack. Sure,they can be used to fight defensively if the situation warrants it,but they are rather poorly designed to fight from hull-down defensive positions (they ride lower,lower silhouette & have less gun depression).
TSyinchet
post Sep 26 2013, 10:40 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 26 2013, 01:39 AM)
Any internal combustion engined vehicle can also generate smoke by injecting fuel into the exhaust system.Those small airplanes that write sky messages do it all the time. Hell,you can do to your car if you want.

Anyway,no need for tanks or the crew to dig proper trenches,just pile up an earth embankment in front of the tank can also put the tank in a hull-down position and offer good defense from attack,also a trench can be hard to reverse for a tank,an earth embankment can protect the front of the tank and if in trouble,the tank can reverse easily to another position.

But I think you all got the tactics backwards,Soviet doctrine is for full armored attack with speed and maneuverability,that's why Soviet-designed tanks are smaller,lighter and ride lower,to make a small target for enemy defences. Meanwhile NATO doctrine dictates tanks must fight defensively, that's why NATO tanks are bigger and more armored for more survivability and taller so it's easier to deploy in hull-down fighting position. So NATO tanks should be the ones fighting from defensive position and Soviet tanks are the ones charging an enemy in overwhelming numbers.

user posted image
M2 Bradley hull-down position behind an earthen embankment

user posted image
Difference in size between M1 Abrams (Blue) and T-90 (Red)
*
Err did i miss something.
I did not mention tank doctrine at my post.
And yeah nato always design their tank based on defensive doctrine.
While soviet were based on attack doctrine and spamming horde of tanks. Their warsaw pact were holding the major influence on their tank design.
Not surprise they design their tank with less protection since warsaw pact is all about nuking enemy front lines. Lolz. laugh.gif

ikmal2129
post Sep 26 2013, 11:26 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
67 posts

Joined: Sep 2011
From: Heaven
QUOTE
Malaysia still committed to MRCA, says defence minister

Malaysia's requirement for 18 multirole combat aircraft
to replace the Royal Malaysian Air Force's MiG-29 fleet
is still ongoing, Malaysian Defence Minister
Hishammuddin Tun Hussein said on 21 September.

Speaking at a press conference during the Malaysian
Armed Forces Day parade in Kuala Lumpur, he said: "It is
ongoing but any announcement will not be at the
Ministry of Defence level as it is being discussed at the
higher level of government."

The decision to start a formal procurement process will
be made by the Malaysian prime minister and his cabinet
- a normal practice in Malaysia for large cost
government programmes.

In response to a query as to when a request for
proposals would be made, Hishammuddin declined to
give a specific timeframe, only saying, "we will announce
it at the right time".

In other developments, the Malaysian Armed Forces Day
parade saw the public unveiling of the Malaysian Army
new digital camouflage pattern uniforms along with an
under-evaluation vehicle digital pattern camouflage.

Malaysian Chief of Defence Force General Zulkifeli
Mohammed Zin said the new uniform would be phased
in, with combat units the first to transition over. He
added that the Royal Malaysian Navy and Royal

Malaysian Air Force will soon also introduce their own
specific digital pattern uniforms. Armour and
mechanised infantry officers at the parade told IHS
Jane's that the vehicle digital pattern was still
undergoing field trials and the final pattern may change.

http://www.janes.com/article/27429/malaysi...efence-minister


thumbup.gif
TSyinchet
post Sep 26 2013, 11:34 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
Interesting.
I think the announcement will be made nezt years.
Itu pun depend on economy
kulai_busuk
post Sep 26 2013, 11:34 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
0 posts

Joined: Jul 2013
QUOTE(ikmal2129 @ Sep 26 2013, 11:26 AM)
thumbup.gif
*
Flip-floping. No suprise here....
azriel
post Sep 26 2013, 11:35 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
TERREX - US Marine Personnel Carrier
KYPMbangi
post Sep 26 2013, 12:11 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
Military Issued Rifle in Each Country of the World
user posted image

This post has been edited by KYPMbangi: Sep 26 2013, 12:12 PM
azriel
post Sep 26 2013, 04:31 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
T-72 "TUSK" - Tank Urban Survivability Kit.

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

source
KYPMbangi
post Sep 26 2013, 04:50 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 26 2013, 04:31 PM)
T-72 "TUSK" - Tank Urban Survivability Kit.
*
Still the top protection left much to be desired even for the abrams version

user posted image



Probably the only tank built to withstand top attack is the latest merkava

user posted image
Strike
post Sep 26 2013, 04:51 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
51 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: KL
QUOTE(bereev @ Sep 25 2013, 09:41 PM)
this is nice to watch  smile.gif

*


peekabo i see u lol
heavyduty
post Sep 26 2013, 05:34 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
127 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 26 2013, 09:24 AM)
Thank you. That explains it.
First i thought it was the engine start-up. As explained it was obviously a smoke screen. But why would the tank create a smoke screen in a parade and in front of a crowd where there is a lot of families with their small children watching meters away? Isn't the smoke hazardous?
*
That's why they used the exhaust system not the smoke launchers which are filled with RP

The air is polluted as hell already. Sucking in some extra diesel won't make a difference
MilitaryMadness
post Sep 26 2013, 06:19 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,302 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
From: Over your shoulder
QUOTE(yinchet @ Sep 26 2013, 10:40 AM)
Not surprise they design their tank with less protection since warsaw pact is all about nuking enemy front lines. Lolz. laugh.gif
*
hmm not sure about this....

I don't think the Soviets never had the doctrine of large-scale tactical nuclear deployment.Nearly all their nuclear assets are for long range attacks,not battlefield nuking. They rely more on a massive offensive by conventional forces. Also isn't it no-brainer that you don't nuke the place you're trying to conquer.

In my knowledge only NATO subscribed to that strategy.NATO forces would only need to defend from any forces that made it through after tactical nukes blow away any large Soviet forces coming in,all the nukes that it would take to stop the massive soviet forces with NATO's more limited numbers. If in the process Germany became a nuclear wasteland,that's too bad la biggrin.gif

aztechx
post Sep 27 2013, 09:27 AM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
Digital camo on an MKM would be interesting... drool.gif

By the way..sometimes i feel like facepalm tembus kepala also not enough when i read things like these
user posted image

This post has been edited by aztechx: Sep 27 2013, 09:37 AM
zimhibikie
post Sep 27 2013, 09:34 AM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 27 2013, 09:27 AM)
Digital camo on an MKM would be interesting... drool.gif

By the way..sometimes i feel like facepalm tembus kepala also not enough when i read things like these
user posted image
*
username twitter pun dah macam gampang laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
nefashu
post Sep 27 2013, 09:35 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
295 posts

Joined: Apr 2011
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 27 2013, 09:27 AM)
Digital camo on an MKM would be interesting... drool.gif

By the way..sometimes i feel like facepalm tembus kepala also not enough when i read things like these
user posted image
*
Pass my shotgun please.

MKM is one of the best is South-east Asia. However I can bet the maintenance is a nightmare since lot of part come from different country
waja2000
post Sep 27 2013, 11:05 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
137 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
Chinese firm wins Turkey's missile defense system tender

ISTANBUL | Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:23pm EDT
(Reuters) - Turkey on Thursday chose a Chinese defense firm CPMIEC to co-produce a $4 billion long-range air and missile defense system, rejecting rival bids from Russian, U.S. and European firms.

The Turkish defense minister announced the decision in a statement.

Turkey, which is a member of the NATO military alliance, has no long-range missile defense system of its own, but NATO has deployed the U.S.-built Patriot air and missile defense system there since 2012.

The winning Chinese FD-2000 system beat out the U.S. Patriot, Russian S-400, and French-Italian Eurosam Samp-T to win the contract.

Raytheon Co (RTN.N), which builds the Patriot missile system, said it had been informed about the Turkish decision and hoped to get a briefing soon. It said there were 200 Patriot units deployed in 12 countries, including Turkey.

"NATO has long supported the system, deploying Patriot in five aligned countries and, in 2012, providing a requested Patriot deployment to Turkey. Given this strong performance, we hope to have an opportunity to debrief and learn more about this decision," Raytheon spokesman Mike Doble said.

Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz's statement also said a contract to produce six corvette ships by Koc Holding (KCHOL.IS), Turkey's biggest conglomerate, had been cancelled.

A contract to build two ships would be awarded to the Turkish naval shipyard. The construction of four remaining ships will be put out to tender later, Yilmaz said.

Koc Holding was recently accused of backing the 1997 military overthrow of Turkey's first Islamist-led government, sending the firm's shares tumbling on fears of a deepening vendetta against the country's secular business elite.

The Turkish government launched a probe into the taxes of Koc energy firms in July, weeks after criticizing one of the family's hotels for sheltering protesters during anti-government unrest that rocked several cities over the summer.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/26/...E98P19S20130926


note： china firm win tender with USD 3.0 Billion.



azriel
post Sep 27 2013, 11:11 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
Indonesia Security Preparation to Host APEC CEO Summit.

user posted image

QUOTE
Indonesian special navy forces personnel stand to attention during security preparations on September 26, 2013 in Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia. Indonesian military and police personel are making security preparations ahead of the 2013 APEC Leaders Summit, to be held from 1-8 October 2013.


user posted image

QUOTE
Indonesian soldiers look on during security preparations on September 26, 2013 in Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia. Indonesian military and police personel are making security preparations ahead of the 2013 APEC Leaders Summit, to be held from 1-8 October 2013.


user posted image

QUOTE
Indonesian soldiers look on during security preparations on September 26, 2013 in Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia. Indonesian military and police personel are making security preparations ahead of the 2013 APEC Leaders Summit, to be held from 1-8 October 2013.


user posted image

QUOTE
Indonesian soldiers prepare weapons during security preparations on September 26, 2013 in Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia. Indonesian military and police personel are making security preparations ahead of the 2013 APEC Leaders Summit, to be held from 1-8 October 2013.


user posted image

QUOTE
Indonesian military personnel march during security preparations on September 26, 2013 in Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia. Indonesian military and police personel are making security preparations ahead of the 2013 APEC Leaders Summit, to be held from 1-8 October 2013.


source
TSyinchet
post Sep 27 2013, 11:24 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 26 2013, 06:19 PM)
hmm not sure about this....

I don't think the Soviets never had the doctrine of large-scale tactical nuclear deployment.Nearly all their nuclear assets are for long range attacks,not battlefield nuking. They rely more on a massive offensive by conventional forces. Also isn't it no-brainer that you don't nuke the place you're trying to conquer.

In my knowledge only NATO subscribed to that strategy.NATO forces would only need to defend from any forces that made it through after tactical nukes blow away any large Soviet forces coming in,all the nukes that it would take to stop the massive soviet forces with NATO's more limited numbers. If in the process Germany became a nuclear wasteland,that's too bad la  biggrin.gif
*
Seem like you have not read about warsaw pact. Though only 30 documents of it have disclassified.
They have come out with a war simulation "7 days to the river of rhine"

Several kniwn nuke target would be vienna, verona, munich, stuttgart.
lucifer_666
post Sep 27 2013, 11:35 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
234 posts

Joined: Oct 2008
QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 27 2013, 11:11 AM)

user posted image

*
thats one long mag. how many rounds are in?
Naskah
post Sep 27 2013, 11:43 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
72 posts

Joined: Jun 2009
From: TDM Noshahr Canal
QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 27 2013, 11:11 AM)
Indonesia Security Preparation to Host APEC CEO Summit.

user posted image
fuu refer to the mag size i think the threat is imminent!

This post has been edited by Naskah: Sep 27 2013, 11:44 AM
SUSsoundsyst64
post Sep 27 2013, 11:51 AM

I'm No-Longer-Noobs
*******
Senior Member
3,725 posts

Joined: Jul 2005
From: In /hardware/
QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Sep 27 2013, 11:35 AM)
thats one long mag. how many rounds are in?
*
got mag for 60 and 100 rounds
http://www.surefire.com/mag5-60.html
http://www.adsinc.com/high-capacity-mag-m4...6-cal-100-round

This post has been edited by soundsyst64: Sep 27 2013, 11:52 AM
azriel
post Sep 27 2013, 02:43 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
T-72 "TUSK" - Tank Urban Survivability Kit.

user posted image

user posted image

source
ayanami_tard
post Sep 27 2013, 11:48 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
http://www.ihs.com/events/exhibitions/farn...rsues-AESA.aspx

QUOTE
Raytheon is in discussions with a number of operators of the Boeing F/A-18 Hornet combat aircraft regarding an active electronically scanned array (AESA) upgrade to their legacy fleet, a company official told IHS Jane's on 9 July.

"We have been talking primarily with the FMS [Foreign Military Sales] users of the legacy Hornets … as there are a number of operators who are actively extending their Hornet service lives out to 2040," said James Hvizd, Vice President of International Business Development and Strategy, Raytheon Space and Airborne Systems, speaking at the Farnborough Airshow 2012.

Hvizd explained that whereas previously talks on AESA upgrades had centered on the improvement in performance they bring, the emphasis of these discussions has shifted to keeping legacy aircraft operationally airworthy.

"It has always been a tactical relevance question, but it is now becoming a sustainment and availability question - where in 2025 are you going to get parts for a [legacy] radar that was built in the mid-1990s?", he said.

While Hvizd declined to name any potential customers, FMS operators of the legacy Hornet comprise Australia, Canada, Finland, Kuwait, Malaysia, Spain, and Switzerland
Frozen_Sun
post Sep 28 2013, 08:57 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
41 posts

Joined: Sep 2013


Two Leopard 2A4 and two Marder 1A3 being unloaded in Jakarta.....

First shipment from Germany.......40 Leopard 2A4, 61 Leopard 2 Revolution and 48 Marder 1A3 not yet delivered
cks2k2
post Sep 28 2013, 11:12 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 27 2013, 02:43 PM)
T-72 "TUSK" - Tank Urban Survivability Kit.
*
should just have RWCS (remote weapon control sys)
ikmal2129
post Sep 28 2013, 11:17 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
67 posts

Joined: Sep 2011
From: Heaven
i thought indonesia leopard similar to sg leopard, but its not,

user posted image (look at that road,lol)

sg leopard look more compact and sexy to.me

user posted image

This post has been edited by ikmal2129: Sep 28 2013, 11:35 PM
cks2k2
post Sep 28 2013, 11:21 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(ikmal2129 @ Sep 28 2013, 11:17 PM)
i thought indonesia leopard similar to sg leopard, but its not,

sg leopard look more compact and sexy to.me
*
sg bought 2a4, the same as indonesia
just that they upgrade internal and uparmor into leo2sg spec

user posted image

top: stock 2a4
below: 2sg spec
the 2sg is actually bigger and heavier - look at increase in width at the track skirt

the germans are offering upgrade to "revolution" spec for old 2a4 to the indonesians

This post has been edited by cks2k2: Sep 28 2013, 11:25 PM
ikmal2129
post Sep 28 2013, 11:32 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
67 posts

Joined: Sep 2011
From: Heaven
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Sep 28 2013, 11:21 PM)
sg bought 2a4, the same as indonesia
just that they upgrade internal and uparmor into leo2sg spec

user posted image

top: stock 2a4
below: 2sg spec
the 2sg is actually bigger and heavier - look at increase in width at the track skirt

the germans are offering upgrade to "revolution" spec for old 2a4 to the indonesians
*
oh, thanks for explanation
atreyuangel
post Sep 28 2013, 11:37 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 27 2013, 02:43 PM)
T-72 "TUSK" - Tank Urban Survivability Kit.

user posted image

user posted image

source
*
look at that cupola
cks2k2
post Sep 28 2013, 11:41 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(ikmal2129 @ Sep 28 2013, 11:32 PM)
oh, thanks for explanation
*
IIANM on the 2sg the main gun also changed to newer type
Frozen_Sun
post Sep 28 2013, 11:41 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
41 posts

Joined: Sep 2013


A Leopard 2 Revolution showcased in Indo Defense show in Jakarta last year...Indonesia will get 61 units of these....
More improved than up-armored Leopard 2SG....

Revolution has better electronics, counter measures, fire controls and others
Frozen_Sun
post Sep 28 2013, 11:45 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
41 posts

Joined: Sep 2013


Leopard 2 Revolution got covered in an Indonesian TV report
KYPMbangi
post Sep 29 2013, 01:30 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(ikmal2129 @ Sep 28 2013, 11:17 PM)
user posted image
*
Looks like someone just did a quick paint job on the road side?
Frozen_Sun
post Sep 29 2013, 02:52 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
41 posts

Joined: Sep 2013
user posted image

Painted quickly after being unloaded.......

This post has been edited by Frozen_Sun: Sep 29 2013, 02:54 AM
azriel
post Sep 29 2013, 11:08 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE(ikmal2129 @ Sep 28 2013, 11:17 PM)
i thought indonesia leopard similar to sg leopard, but its not,

user posted image
(look at that road,lol)

sg leopard look more compact and sexy to.me

user posted image
*
What you are referring is the first batch of Leopard 2A4 delivery. Indonesia ordered a total of 103 Leo 2 + 10 Supporting Vehicles (ARV & Bridge Layer). 61 units are the Rheinmetall MBT Revolution (designated as the Leopard 2RI) and the rest are the refurbished Leo 2A4. The Leo 2RI will be the last batches to be delivered as it needed major upgrade from the Leo 2A4 into the MBT Revolution by Rheinmetall.

The Leo 2RI is quite similar to the Leo 2SG. Rheinmetall displayed the MBT Revolution during Indo Defence Expo 2012 shown from this pic below:

user posted image

Singapore operates a combination of Leo 2SG & Leo 2A4.

This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 29 2013, 11:09 AM
SUSmenj
post Sep 29 2013, 01:06 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
314 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: BTHO

direwolf
post Sep 29 2013, 03:06 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
13 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(aztechx @ Sep 22 2013, 12:52 PM)

DPM arriving in style
user posted image

Our new Defence MInister alongside PM
user posted image

PM emerging from AV8 APC
user posted image
Of all the VIPs, the PM arrived in the least comfortable position...hehe
direwolf
post Sep 29 2013, 03:11 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
13 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Sep 22 2013, 09:17 PM)
Is no one in Malaysia seriously thinking of manufacturing some slat/cage armor for ATM armored vehicles? It couldn't be that hard,I don't think there's any high-tech processes involved.

A little apprehensive seeing Malbatt's Condors & Land rovers in Lebanon being so bare,no extra armor.
*
Indeed the slat armour is decidedly low-tech. While MALBATTs APCs look seriously vulnerable, their mission is peacekeeping and while The Battle Of Mogadishu is still fresh in mind, their mission is Lebanon is fairly peaceful. There is actually no need for extra stuff, unlike those 'peacekeepers' in Iraq and Afghanistan.
azriel
post Sep 29 2013, 06:57 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Sep 28 2013, 11:41 PM)
IIANM on the 2sg the main gun also changed to newer type
*
IINM The Leo 2SG still uses the L44 main gun. The L55 has longer barrel than the L44.
HangPC2
post Sep 29 2013, 08:47 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Tribute Japan Self Defence Force king of fighter
kinabalu
post Sep 29 2013, 10:32 PM

20k VIP club
******
Senior Member
1,167 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
From: Joined: Today, 08:45 AM
QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Sep 29 2013, 08:47 PM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

*
This one better brows.gif



azriel
post Sep 30 2013, 02:13 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE
After Airbus A400M, Europe faces dearth of big defence projects

By Tim Hepher and Brenda Goh

PARIS/LONDON, Sept 30 | Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:02pm EDT

(Reuters) - European politicians will toast the long-awaited Airbus A400M military transport plane at a ceremony in Spain on Monday, but face warnings that Europe's largest-ever collaborative defence project may be its last for years to come.

After a tortuous 30 years in development, the first of 170 troop and cargo planes ordered by seven nations grants Europe a step towards independence in military transport, a key plank of foreign intervention capability.

The ceremony in Seville, where the planes are assembled, will also kickstart an A400M export campaign, a glimmer of hope to a European aircraft whose foreign sales have been dogged by costly problems with its huge turbo-prop engines and a four-year delivery delay.

Still, the aircraft's manufacturer has questioned how a continent pulled apart by weak finances and policy rifts will address future conflicts like Syria, Libya or Mali - and in turn how readily nations will co-operate on large defence procurements.

"I think we are further away from a common foreign and security policy than at any point in the last 20 years. I do not believe we will see a meaningful (one) in the next 20 years," Tom Enders, chief executive of Airbus parent EADS, said last week in a speech on transatlantic security.

"I do not assume in my strategic planning that in the next 10 to 15 years there will be any new major European projects in our sphere of activity. I see governments are even trying to cut or reduce projects that previously been agreed," Enders said.

The A400M was designed to meet a shortfall in military transport capacity among seven NATO nations: Belgium, Britain, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Spain and Turkey.

But the 20 billion euro project went more than 5 billion euros over budget, forcing buyer nations to agree a 3.5 billion euro bailout in 2010, part of which is supposed to be repaid from export royalties.

Many analysts say the region's financial crisis has exacerbated divisions and dampened interest in projects that have a habit of running heavily over-budget.

"We will go through a phase now where there is not only little collaboration but also little investment in new products," said independent defence analyst Howard Wheeldon.

A recent decision to halt production of the Boeing C-17 strategic jet-powered transporter, a rival to the A400M, breathed life into hopes for new export orders for the plane.

Until now, the only export customer is Malaysia, with four planes on order. South Africa cancelled an order.

Airbus sees a market for several hundred aircraft. But the company has expressed concerns about plans by some of the plane's European customers to sell A400Ms they have ordered directly on to customers outside the region, frustrating Airbus hopes for producing extra planes.

Germany, Spain and most probably France, analysts say, want to jump in front of Airbus and export some of their domestic allocations directly to boost budgets.

That also poses technical difficulties over export royalties. According to two people familiar with the 2010 bailout plan, the first 174 planes (including Malaysia's four) are excluded from the royalty agreement.

Enders told Reuters that such export plans were "understandable" in the weak fiscal climate, but added: "As an industrialist, I cannot be very happy about this approach and I have to ensure we are not leaking value".


source

This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 30 2013, 02:14 PM
azriel
post Sep 30 2013, 02:22 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
BMPT72 Unveiled at RAE-2013.

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

source
cks2k2
post Sep 30 2013, 04:07 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
since we're talking about leos
kerolzarmyfanboy
post Sep 30 2013, 10:01 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
575 posts

Joined: Feb 2013
speaking about tanks, should M'sia have more budget in the future, will we buy more Pendekars or buy other tank? i don't seem to heard much news about new kind of tanks, any new tank development program you guys heard?
Quantum_thinking
post Sep 30 2013, 10:31 PM

Getting Started with LYN
*******
Senior Member
5,289 posts

Joined: Sep 2010
QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Sep 30 2013, 10:01 PM)
speaking about tanks, should M'sia have more budget in the future, will we buy more Pendekars or buy other tank? i don't seem to heard much news about new kind of tanks, any new tank development program you guys heard?
*
I think some other matters such as purchase attack helicopters and equipment meant for ESSCOM should get the priority for equipment purchase.
ayanami_tard
post Sep 30 2013, 10:38 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
maybe we'll consider other,more capable MBTs. the purpose of pendekar is for us to develop our own tank doctrine.

streamlining logistic supply chain? to hell with it. tell that to RMAF
cks2k2
post Sep 30 2013, 11:43 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Sep 30 2013, 10:38 PM)
maybe we'll consider other,more capable MBTs. the purpose of pendekar is for us to develop our own tank doctrine.

streamlining logistic supply chain? to hell with it. tell that to RMAF
*
like what?
oplots like the thais?
ayanami_tard
post Sep 30 2013, 11:48 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
that's for the top brass to decide.
KYPMbangi
post Oct 1 2013, 12:39 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
Turkey Pushes T-129 Gunships for Pakistan, but US Could Scupper Deal

user posted image
Turkey has offered to gift Pakistan three T-129 gunships with further hopes of setting up production in Pakistan.

QUOTE
ISLAMABAD AND ANKARA — Turkey is aggressively lobbying to give T-129 attack helicopters to Pakistan to replace
its aging AH-1F fleet and is prepared to agree to generous terms with cash-strapped Pakistan to do so, according to sources.

However, the US could sink the deal and make a counteroffer of helicopter gunships to Pakistan that could be too good to refuse.

Pakistani media reports state a deal with Turkey could lead to local production of the T-129 at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC),
but speculation that preparations are already underway to build a new helicopter production facility there could not be confirmed.

Turkey made its latest push during Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s Sept. 16-18 visit to Turkey for the Third High Level
Cooperation Council meeting. Sharif was given a demonstration of the T-129’s capabilities and a potential deal was discussed.

Turkish officials confirmed talks have “matured to a certain extent,” and Turkey remains committed to any possible deal,
not only for financial benefits but also potential strategic gains.

“We see that both countries are keen to cooperate,” said one senior procurement official in Ankara. “We have a longer-term
vision over any deal. We do not aim to win just one foreign contract but also view spillover benefits for the local industry.
The Pakistani market may win international recognition for the T-129 and pave the way for future contracts.”

The official declined to comment on the modality of any deal.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
xtemujin
post Oct 1 2013, 12:48 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
318 posts

Joined: Nov 2009
From: Singapura, Singapore
Indonesia’s Air Force Adds More Flankers
By Defense Industry Daily staff | 6 September 2013 Friday | 18:00 UTC

Sept 05/13: Delivery. The final 2 of 6 Su-30MK2s ordered in 2011 have been delivered at Sultan Hasanuddin Air Force Base, along with 13 technicians to help with assembly. Sources: Jakarta Post, ITAR-TASS.

Indonesia’s turn toward Russian fighters stemmed partly from necessity. Its 12 remaining F-16A/Bs and 16 remaining F-5E/F fighters experienced severe maintenance problems in the wake of a US embargo, triggered by the Indonesian military’s widespread human rights abuses in East Timor. Its 30+ single-seat Hawk 209 sub-sonic light combat aircraft, derived from the trainer jets the TNI-AU also operates, were the country’s only fighter alternative.

A $192 million contract began to address that in 2003, by buying 2 SU-27SK single-seat and 2 SU-30MK twin-seat multi-role fighters from Russia. Indonesia submitted a formal request to buy 24 used F-16s in 2011, but it isn’t backing away from its high-end Flanker fleet. In fact, the TNI-AU has steadily added more. Now, they’re reaching out to their neighbors for training and support.

Flankers for Indonesia’s Fighter Force

Indonesia’s TNI-AU has now ordered 16 SU-27 family fighters: 2 SU-27SK, 3 SU-27SKM, 2 SU-30MK, and 9 SU-30MK2.

The SU-27SKM and SU-30MK2 export variants are the result of parallel upgrade programs. They share many modifications, including the addition of digital cockpits with updated avionics, additional wing hardpoints, carrying capacity upgrades to 8,000 kg of weapons, a wider variety of weapon options, upgraded radars and ECM (Electronic CounterMeasures to jam enemy radars etc.), and in-flight refueling capability.

These modifications change the SU-27SK from a dedicated air superiority fighter to a multi-role fighter and attack aircraft. The SU-30, which has always been multi-role, is simply improved. Both of the new variants share the Sukhoi Flanker family’s combination of long range, large payloads, and air to air performance that can match any American fighter except the F-22A Raptor.

Those capabilities, and Russia’s policy of avoiding political conditions on its weapon sales, nudged Indonesia into a tilt toward Russia as a weapons supplier. A $192 million contract began to address the problems created by the US embargo in 2003, by buying 2 SU-27SK single-seat air superiority fighters and 2 SU-30MK twin-seat multi-role fighters through Rosoboronexport.

The TNI-AU’s tily toward Russia continued, despite the lifting of the US embargo in November 2005. Russia’s MAKS air show doesn’t have quite the international clout of Farnborough or Le Bourget, but the price and quality of modern Russian fighters ensures its place on the international circuit. For MAKS 2007, its top military contract came on opening day. Rosoboronexport State Corporation and the Republic of Indonesia signed a $355 million Memorandum of Understanding for 3 SU-27SKM and 3 SU-30MK2 Flanker family fighters, building on the 2003 deal, and taking the country’s ordered fleet to 10 planes.

A month later, that purchase was followed by a $1.2 billion wish list of Russian submarines, armored vehicles, and armed helicopters. That wish list didn’t fully materialize, but the end of 2011 saw another 6 SU-30MK2s bought from Russia, bringing the fighter deals’ totals to 16 fighters and about $1.02 billion.

Simulator training is currently a co-operative venture with the Chinese, but by 2014, Indonesia expects to have its own virtual training infrastructure.

It’s all part of an oil-fueled modernization drive, backed by increased military spending. For more on the strategic and procurement issues tied up in this purchase, see the Additional Readings section, below, for UPI analyst Martin Sieff’s “Jets for Jakarta: A Whole New Strategic Game For Australasia”, and Air Power Australia’s “Sukhoi Flankers: The Shifting Balance of Regional Air Power”.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/indone...flankers-03691/



Indonesia receives last delivery of Sukhoi Flanker fighter jets, completing full squadron
By Abu Hanifah | 25 September 2013 Wednesday | 20:33:38

JAKARTA, Sept. 25 (Xinhua) -- Indonesia has received the last delivery of Sukhoi fighter jets it ordered from a Russian producer, thus turning its Sukhoi Flanker air superiority fighter jet fleet into one full squadron.

The delivery of the last two Su-30 Mk2 planes took place on Wednesday in Indonesian air forces base of Hasanuddin, located in the capital city of South Sulawesi province, Makassar where the air forces' 11th squadron wing 5 is based.

Those two fighter jets were delivered in unassembled forms, transported by Antonov 124-100 from Russian city of Khabarovsk and made a stopover in the Philippines' Ninoy Aquino Manila airport.

With the last delivery of the Su-30 Mk2, Indonesia now has one full squadron of Flanker air superiority fighter jet fleet that consists of 16 Su-27 SKM and Su-30 Mk2 planes. Those planes were produced by Russian aviation industry of KNAPO (Komsomolsk-na Amure Aircraft Production Association).

Delivery of Sukhoi's Flankers fighter jet planes to Indonesia initially commenced in 2003, followed by further deliveries in 2009, 2010 and 2013.

Indonesia's Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro, who witnessed the last delivery of Sukhoi Su-30 Mk2 at the air forces' base, said that the nation has spent a total of 1.17 billion U.S. dollars to buy all of those 16 planes as well as on ammunitions, pilot training programs and logistic.

Purnomo said that funds to finance the procurement of those planes were allocated from state budget and foreign loans. According to Purnomo, procurement of those planes were conducted in different batch of contracts at different prices.

"Price in the initial procurement period was expensive. Due to technical specification of the plane, the prices have been different from time to time. We have been transparent in disclosing both the number of the procured planes and the prices," the minister was quoted by local media as saying.

Since the last batch of Su-30 Mk2 planes were delivered in unassembled form, it takes a week to assemble the planes into ready-to-fly form and six more days of waiting before their first flight tests be conducted, the Hasanuddin air forces base spokesperson Major Sus Mulyadi said.

He added that the assembling of those planes would be jointly conducted by Russian and Indonesian technicians at the air forces base's technical squadron facility.

All of those Sukhoi Flanker fighter jets would be stationed in Indonesian air forces' 11th air squadron in Makassar under the codename "The Thunders."

Indonesia saw deliveries of other military planes designated for pilot training and light attack purposes in the last few weeks. Those planes, including Grob G120 TP-A and T 50 Golden Eagle planes, arrived at two of Indonesian air forces bases in Java.

Those planes were ordered from Germany and South Korea with deliveries of one full squadron for each type of the plane expected to take place this year and next year respectively.

The nation now is also expecting the delivery of 24 F-16 used fighter jets provided by the U.S. government as a grant to Indonesia. The air forces also expect delivery of four C130 Hercules military cargo planes granted by Australian government.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/20...c_132750291.htm



This post has been edited by xtemujin: Oct 1 2013, 12:58 AM
TSyinchet
post Oct 1 2013, 08:40 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Sep 30 2013, 10:01 PM)
speaking about tanks, should M'sia have more budget in the future, will we buy more Pendekars or buy other tank? i don't seem to heard much news about new kind of tanks, any new tank development program you guys heard?
*
Malaysia would get more new mbt in future.
However for now we are more focus on esszone.
Priority should be given in new base, mpa, attack heli, utility heli, fac and patrol vessel.

Anyway it is most likely we will be using a more capable tank. Hopefully we will get something like t90ms or type 10.
azriel
post Oct 1 2013, 09:36 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Sep 30 2013, 10:01 PM)
speaking about tanks, should M'sia have more budget in the future, will we buy more Pendekars or buy other tank? i don't seem to heard much news about new kind of tanks, any new tank development program you guys heard?
*
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 1 2013, 08:40 AM)
Malaysia would get more new mbt in future.
However for now we are more focus on esszone.
Priority should be given in new base, mpa, attack heli, utility heli, fac and patrol vessel.

Anyway it is most likely we will be using a more capable tank. Hopefully we will get something like t90ms or type 10.
*
A member in panggilan pertiwi asked whether it is true that the Russian is lobbying again to offer the T-90 to Malaysia. Maybe he got some info source. What type he didn't mention but he posted the T-90MS picture though.

This post has been edited by azriel: Oct 1 2013, 09:37 AM
TSyinchet
post Oct 1 2013, 10:02 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 1 2013, 09:36 AM)
A member in panggilan pertiwi asked whether it is true that the Russian is lobbying again to offer the T-90 to Malaysia. Maybe he got some info source. What type he didn't mention but he posted the T-90MS picture though.
*
Government unlikely to procure any mbt soon.
There were some rumors on t90 but given the current budget it will be doubtful.
cks2k2
post Oct 1 2013, 10:04 AM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 1 2013, 12:39 AM)
Turkey Pushes T-129 Gunships for Pakistan, but US Could Scupper Deal
*
maybe we should go for this.

QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 1 2013, 08:40 AM)
Anyway it is most likely we will be using a more capable tank. Hopefully we will get something like t90ms or type 10.
*
type10 is unlikely with japan's laws
KYPMbangi
post Oct 1 2013, 10:18 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 1 2013, 10:04 AM)
type10 is unlikely with japan's laws
*
And the stuff they make sure got high price tag
TSyinchet
post Oct 1 2013, 10:40 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 1 2013, 10:04 AM)
maybe we should go for this.
type10 is unlikely with japan's laws
*
They are niw easing the laws which could allow them to export weapons.
It have been discuss in previous version.
TSyinchet
post Oct 1 2013, 10:45 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 1 2013, 10:18 AM)
And the stuff they make sure got high price tag
*
Tech gooding.
Type 10 is the best among below 50 tons mbt.
Even the t90 were slightly over 50 tons.
azriel
post Oct 1 2013, 11:18 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE
Indonesia, US Deepen Defense Ties Amid Exercises and Arms Deals

Sep. 30, 2013 - 06:52PM  | 
By TIARMA SIBORO  |  Comments

JAKARTA — US and Indonesian military ties are growing as evidenced by US participation in the recent US-Indonesian joint-funded Counterterrorism Exercise (CTX) held Sept. 5-13 at Indonesia’s peacekeeping forces training center in Sentul, West Java.

Participants included all special operations forces of the 10 Association of Southeast Asian Nations member countries, plus eight counterpart states: the US, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, China, India and Russia.

However, Indonesia’s best special operations force, the infamous Kopassus, was excluded from participating in the CTX due to past US complaints about human rights abuses by the unit during the 1999 East Timor crisis, in which civilians were murdered, kidnapped and tortured.

The Indonesian National Armed Forces (TNI) is implementing military modernization efforts, but excluding Kopassus remains a problem, experts say. The TNI suffered from the US arms embargo after the 1999 crisis. The Kopassus are the best trained and disciplined unit within TNI, and exclusion from training opportunities by the US will be difficult.

The US allowed the Kopassus to attend the CTX, but only as observers. The CTX was divided into several programs, including a tabletop exercise, practical exercise, discussions, information sharing and special simulation.

“Kopassus, just like US special operations, operates according to rule of law and under the direct control by civilian authorities,” said US Army Col. Mike Lwin, with Special Operations Command-Pacific, who led the US team to the CTX. “We know there are some problems in the past, and there are some processes that we are working through on both sides, but I think in general, we look forward to increase engagement over the future in accordance with our political direction with Kopassus. We see the need for increased relationships, and we are moving there. But we take guidance, of course, from our civilian leaders.”

Though planning for the CTX began in April 2012, a Kopassus source said the decision to exclude the elite unit from the tabletop exercise was made only days before the event officially kicked off. The tabletop exercise was fully funded by the US military.

In the wake of humanitarian assistance and disaster relief operations that followed the tsunami in Indonesia’s Aceh province in 2004, the US reviewed its restriction on arms sales and military cooperation with Indonesia. The US imposed the restriction after the Indonesian government failed to stop violence from taking place in East Timor amid the 1999 referendum for independence.

The revision was implemented in stages, first by lifting the embargo on US sales of non-lethal equipment. Contemporary threats — including terrorism and the rise in tension in the South China Sea — were part of the US motivation for change.

“Respecting the rule of law is a must, and countering terrorism should not be left alone to the hand of legal enforcers as it requires total response from all elements of the nation,” Indonesian Deputy Defense Minister Sjafrie Sjamsoeddin told Defense News. “We could achieve success in countering terrorism if we are able to deeply understand the philosophic and universal principle of terrorism, which has now been able to develop its modus operandi, ranging from the low-level to the high-level intensity.”

During his recent visit to Indonesia, US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel announced the US plan to sell a fleet of AH-64E Apache attack helicopters to the Indonesian Army for $500 million. As part of the package, the US also will offer training to Indonesian pilots on tactics, techniques and procedures for operating the Apache. The TNI expects to receive the first two Apaches by 2014, with final delivery by 2019.

In 2011, the US agreed to sell 24 used F-16 Block 25 fighter aircraft for US $700 million. As part of the deal, the US will upgrade the fighter jets to Block 52, to include supplying 18 air-to-ground missiles and 36 captive air training missiles.

The two squadrons of F-16s will join 16 Russian-made Sukhoi fighters — eight Su-27s and eight Su-30s — for the Indonesian Air Force. Another squadron of South Korean-built T-50 Golden Eagle trainer jets is scheduled to arrive in 2014.

The Indonesian Navy is also undergoing modernization. Next year, the Indonesian Marine Corps will receive light patrol vessels, amphibious tanks and rockets. Two South Korean-made Chang Bongo-class submarines are slated to arrive next year, followed by a joint project with Indonesia’s state-owned PT Penataran Angkatan Laut (PT PAL) to produce a similar type of submarine as part of technology transfer agreement with South Korea.

The submarines’ technology is an upgrade from the German-designed HDW 209 and 214 types.

Indonesia requires more than just three submarines to safeguard its maritime coasts and exclusive economic zone. The Malacca Strait is one of the busiest waterways in the world. An ideal number of submarines for Indonesia would be 18 to 24 vessels.

On Sept. 24, the Indonesian Army began receiving German-made Leopard main battle tanks. The Indonesian Army has purchased 104 Leopard tanks and 50 Marder infantry fighting vehicles and other assorted vehicles from Germany.

The Indonesian government has decided to modernize its weaponry systems by allocating a budget of no less than 57 trillion rupiahs (US $5 billion) during the 2010-2014 fiscal period out of 156 trillion rupiahs allocated for the defense sector during the period.

Indonesia has pursued two mechanisms for procurement — imports and domestic development. Apart from PT PAL, Indonesia also has PT Pindad, a state-owned arms producer, and PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PT DI), which produces military aircraft. A number of aircraft for the Indonesian Air Force has come through the cooperation with PT DI, such as the Bell 412 helicopter, Bolcow 105 and Cassa 212.

For the Army, PT Pindad has supplied handguns and rifles.

The company also provides ammunition for small-caliber weapons as well as an armored vehicle, the six-wheel Panser APS.


source
Shadow Kun
post Oct 1 2013, 11:45 AM

TOASTY!
****
Senior Member
621 posts

Joined: Sep 2008
From: Middle of Nowhere
QUOTE(d4rk @ Sep 22 2013, 10:40 AM)
Hornets in the air!
user posted image

Su-30 MKM
user posted image
*
got it

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


This post has been edited by Shadow Kun: Oct 1 2013, 11:50 AM
azriel
post Oct 1 2013, 12:35 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
Indonesian Army's Leopard 2A4.

user posted image

This post has been edited by azriel: Oct 1 2013, 12:37 PM
waja2000
post Oct 1 2013, 12:37 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
137 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 1 2013, 09:36 AM)
A member in panggilan pertiwi asked whether it is true that the Russian is lobbying again to offer the T-90 to Malaysia. Maybe he got some info source. What type he didn't mention but he posted the T-90MS picture though.
*
Better consider china made MTB-3000, better than T-90s, price for T-90s now about 3.5 million for each.
and MTB-3000 weight about 51 ton， not far to Pendekar MBT
TSyinchet
post Oct 1 2013, 03:16 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(waja2000 @ Oct 1 2013, 12:37 PM)
Better consider china made MTB-3000, better than T-90s, price for T-90s now about 3.5 million for each.
and MTB-3000 weight about 51 ton， not far to Pendekar MBT
*
China stuff no thank you.
Not until they able to prove themselves as an establish quality producer.
waja2000
post Oct 1 2013, 04:14 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
137 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 1 2013, 03:16 PM)
China stuff no thank you.
Not until they able to prove themselves as an establish quality producer.
*
our country also buying china FN6....
china already top five Arm exporter ....
soon more and more country will buying china arm.

azriel
post Oct 1 2013, 05:02 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 1 2013, 10:04 AM)
maybe we should go for this.
type10 is unlikely with japan's laws
*
Arms export ban lifted by Japan.

http://www.euronews.com/2011/12/27/arms-ex...ifted-by-japan/
TSyinchet
post Oct 1 2013, 05:55 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(waja2000 @ Oct 1 2013, 04:14 PM)
our country also buying china FN6....
china already top five Arm exporter ....
soon more and more country will buying china arm.
*
Depend on stuff.
I doubt tldm is interested to buy their ship.
The same for tudm unlikely to buy their jets.

If they were able proof that they able produce relaible and high quality stuff then sure but for now no thanks.

This post has been edited by yinchet: Oct 1 2013, 05:57 PM
HangPC2
post Oct 1 2013, 06:02 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Zhuk-AE/FGA-35 Modified Radar with AESA



user posted image

user posted image

user posted image



Radar : New, Newer, the Newest


The basic radar system for the Russian Air Force MiG-35S version is the N041R mechanically scanned, slotted-array radar. The export version is fitted with the Zhuk-ME (FGM229) variant. The Zhuk-M radar is not the latest, but a perfected and more economic design. A more advanced variant – the FGA35 Zhuk-AE with active electronic scanning – has already been flight tested on the MiG-35, tests that have included the
launch of missiles.

At MAKS 2013, the Phazotron company showed another variant of the Zhuk-A radar, initially designated FGA35 (3D), with new transceiver modules made from LTCC (low temperature co-fired ceramics) technology. The array is much thinner and lighter than the Zhuk-AE variant. Each module is 13mm (0.5in) deep, several times less than those used on the Zhuk-AE. The array is air-cooled (the Zhuk-AE is – liquid-cooled) while the impulse power of each module is 5W. Yuri Guskov, Phazotron’s designer general promises the handover of the new radar for evaluation on the MiG-35 in 2014.



Sources : http://vitalykuzmin.net
HangPC2
post Oct 1 2013, 06:28 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmMZj6V12b0
waja2000
post Oct 2 2013, 01:38 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
137 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
Report: Military Lost Control of F-35 Contractors, Errors Abound

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/report-milit...ory?id=20422344
atreyuangel
post Oct 2 2013, 05:43 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
night jungle walk, only the string as guide
xtemujin
post Oct 2 2013, 08:08 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
318 posts

Joined: Nov 2009
From: Singapura, Singapore
Indonesia Reveals Plan to Boost Defense
By SP/Yeremia Sukoyo & SP/Robertus Wardi | 27 September 2013 Friday | 8:40 am

Makassar. The Indonesian Defense Force is set to receive an upgrade with plans to train more pilots and add eight new squadrons of fighter jets.

“We hope that by 2024 we will have eight squadrons of fighter aircraft,” Air Chief Marshal Ida Bagus Putu Dunia said on Wednesday after receiving six Russian-made Sukhoi SU-30 MK2 fighter aircraft. Each squadron is expected to consist of 16 Sukhoi jets.

Ida said the Sukhoi jets were sophisticated fighter aircraft that offered a high deterrent power, which will strengthen the Indonesian Air Force.

The deal on the Sukhois also came with an agreement to train pilots for Squadron 11 at Hasanuddin air base.

Sukhoi technology will also be upgraded regularly to keep up with the rapid technological development, Ida said.

“[We] have a sufficient number of pilots to operate them. But we are also preparing pilots for new fighter aircraft,” he said.

Ida added that the military also hopes to replace its old F-5 Tiger fighter aircraft with aircraft that are more advanced both in terms of technology and weaponry.

“We are looking at our options as it is important to find a more sophisticated replacement,” he said.

The Hasanuddin airbase in Makassar will also be fully equipped with new weaponry, including munitions, the air marshal confirmed.

Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro confirmed the government’s plan to replace its F-5 Tigers.

He said that aside from the Sukhoi jets, the military had also received the delivery of one squadron of T-50s (Baby F-16s) from South Korea at the Iswahyudi military airbase in Madiun, East Java.

Meanwhile human rights activists have raised concerns over the government’s purchase of sophisticated spying equipment from United Kingdom-based company Gamma TSE, which has a history of supplying oppressive regimes.

But Defense Ministry spokesman Brig. Gen. Sisriadi said the procurement of new intelligence devices was part of the government’s efforts to modernize its primary weaponry defense systems and that the devices were needed for exchanging information with Indonesia’s defense attaches across the world and to prevent them from being intercepted by irresponsible parties.

“We will use it only for strategic intelligence, not intelligence related to crimes, bank robberies or other [threats],” the defense minister said.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/indone...-boost-defense/
SUSbubu2010
post Oct 3 2013, 02:52 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
66 posts

Joined: Sep 2010
QUOTE(PleaseEnterYourName @ Sep 25 2013, 06:04 PM)
told u already.. information leak...
*
In here also information leak what right? Discussion doesn't leak any classified information, we are also not discussing any government classified information, just a general knowledge about military hardware, we discuss it, don't overthink about it la smile.gif
SUSbubu2010
post Oct 3 2013, 02:55 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
66 posts

Joined: Sep 2010
QUOTE(xtemujin @ Oct 2 2013, 08:08 PM)
Indonesia Reveals Plan to Boost Defense
By SP/Yeremia Sukoyo & SP/Robertus Wardi | 27 September 2013 Friday | 8:40 am

Makassar. The Indonesian Defense Force is set to receive an upgrade with plans to train more pilots and add eight new squadrons of fighter jets.

“We hope that by 2024 we will have eight squadrons of fighter aircraft,” Air Chief Marshal Ida Bagus Putu Dunia said on Wednesday after receiving six Russian-made Sukhoi SU-30 MK2 fighter aircraft. Each squadron is expected to consist of 16 Sukhoi jets.



Ida said the Sukhoi jets were sophisticated fighter aircraft that offered a high deterrent power, which will strengthen the Indonesian Air Force.

The deal on the Sukhois also came with an agreement to train pilots for Squadron 11 at Hasanuddin air base.

Sukhoi technology will also be upgraded regularly to keep up with the rapid technological development, Ida said.

“[We] have a sufficient number of pilots to operate them. But we are also preparing pilots for new fighter aircraft,” he said.

Ida added that the military also hopes to replace its old F-5 Tiger fighter aircraft with aircraft that are more advanced both in terms of technology and weaponry.

“We are looking at our options as it is important to find a more sophisticated replacement,” he said.

The Hasanuddin airbase in Makassar will also be fully equipped with new weaponry, including munitions, the air marshal confirmed.

Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro confirmed the government’s plan to replace its F-5 Tigers.

He said that aside from the Sukhoi jets, the military had also received the delivery of one squadron of T-50s (Baby F-16s) from South Korea at the Iswahyudi military airbase in Madiun, East Java.

Meanwhile human rights activists have raised concerns over the government’s purchase of sophisticated spying equipment from United Kingdom-based company Gamma TSE, which has a history of supplying oppressive regimes.

But Defense Ministry spokesman Brig. Gen. Sisriadi said the procurement of new intelligence devices was part of the government’s efforts to modernize its primary weaponry defense systems and that the devices were needed for exchanging information with Indonesia’s defense attaches across the world and to prevent them from being intercepted by irresponsible parties.

“We will use it only for strategic intelligence, not intelligence related to crimes, bank robberies or other [threats],” the defense minister said.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/indone...-boost-defense/
*
16 x 8 = 128??? 128 Su30??? Kidding or real? it means within 11 years right? OMG!!! 128 fighters excluding trainers? It is totally a lot smile.gif
SUSbubu2010
post Oct 3 2013, 03:00 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
66 posts

Joined: Sep 2010
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 1 2013, 03:16 PM)
China stuff no thank you.
Not until they able to prove themselves as an establish quality producer.
*
MBT-2000 is really great, compared to T-90, it is really great, not compared to T-90s okay? I prefer the Leopard because Singapore is using it, Indonesia is also using them now. My country uses MBT-2000, that is why I can tell you that it is really great. MBT-3000 is still under development, so not sure about it smile.gif
ayanami_tard
post Oct 3 2013, 04:17 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
i dun geddit
nikita zuleica
post Oct 3 2013, 05:00 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
410 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 1 2013, 10:02 AM)
Government unlikely to procure any mbt soon.
There were some rumors on t90 but given the current budget it will be doubtful.
*
emmm i tot russia alrdy ceased t-90 order . as they waiting for 4th mbt generation T99 introduction in 2016
Frozen_Sun
post Oct 3 2013, 06:06 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
41 posts

Joined: Sep 2013
QUOTE(bubu2010 @ Oct 3 2013, 02:55 AM)
16 x 8 = 128??? 128 Su30??? Kidding or real? it means within 11 years right? OMG!!! 128 fighters excluding trainers? It is totally a lot smile.gif
*
Not all Su-30, that may include refurbished F-16 Block 32 and KFX....although there's rumor that TNI-AU will purchase another squadron of Su-30MK2 under the next president's administration that begins next year.

Indonesia's GDP may reach $2000billion in 2024....that's 20bil based on current's percentage of budget defense to GDP..at 1 percent

The projected percentage of budget defense will be raised eventually to 2.5 percent...that's $50billion in 2024

So 8 fighter squadrons do sound plausible.....

This post has been edited by Frozen_Sun: Oct 3 2013, 06:07 AM
waja2000
post Oct 3 2013, 09:44 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
137 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
QUOTE(bubu2010 @ Oct 3 2013, 03:00 AM)
MBT-2000 is really great, compared to T-90, it is really great, not compared to T-90s okay? I prefer the Leopard because Singapore is using it, Indonesia is also using them now. My country uses MBT-2000, that is why I can tell you that it is really great. MBT-3000 is still under development, so not sure about it smile.gif
*
Internet already have alot info for MBT-3000 ...... going to market on 2014 ....

waja2000
post Oct 3 2013, 09:48 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
137 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Oct 3 2013, 06:06 AM)
Not all Su-30, that may include refurbished F-16 Block 32 and KFX....although there's rumor that TNI-AU will purchase another squadron of Su-30MK2 under the next president's administration that begins next year.

Indonesia's GDP may reach $2000billion in 2024....that's 20bil based on current's percentage of budget defense to GDP..at 1 percent

The projected percentage of budget defense will be raised eventually to 2.5 percent...that's $50billion in 2024

So 8 fighter squadrons do sound plausible.....
*
yeap， budget no issue for Indo DoD.....
event in 2017/2018 there GDP more than enough to buy alot military jet.
azriel
post Oct 3 2013, 10:54 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
Indonesia Armed Forces Anniversary Day Rehearsal.

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

Source: ARC
kinabalu
post Oct 3 2013, 11:32 AM

20k VIP club
******
Senior Member
1,167 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
From: Joined: Today, 08:45 AM
somehow indo assets give me a feeling that they are obsolete. hmm.gif
Frozen_Sun
post Oct 3 2013, 11:52 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
41 posts

Joined: Sep 2013
QUOTE(kinabalu @ Oct 3 2013, 11:32 AM)
somehow indo assets give me a feeling that they are obsolete. hmm.gif
*
no wonder....real modernization only begins recently in 2009 and ends in 2014 for Renstra I.....there will be Renstra II and Renstra III that ends in 2024....by that time the degree sophistication may approach Singapore's...since the annual defense budget will be at least $20 billions

Some of the assets are really old...like BTR-50 and S-60 AAA gun.....but I'm sure they'll decommissioned eventually
KYPMbangi
post Oct 3 2013, 12:03 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
I wish we had that kind of money to throw around buying news stuff..
HangPC2
post Oct 3 2013, 12:19 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
HESA Shahed 129 UCAV




General characteristics

Crew : 2 on ground
Length : 8 m (26 ft 3 in)
Wingspan : 16 m (52 ft 6 in)

Performance

Range : 1,700 km (1,056 mi ; 918 nmi)
Endurance : 24 hours
Service ceiling : 7,315 m (24,000 ft)




user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
TSyinchet
post Oct 3 2013, 01:00 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(bubu2010 @ Oct 3 2013, 03:00 AM)
MBT-2000 is really great, compared to T-90, it is really great, not compared to T-90s okay? I prefer the Leopard because Singapore is using it, Indonesia is also using them now. My country uses MBT-2000, that is why I can tell you that it is really great. MBT-3000 is still under development, so not sure about it smile.gif
*
I'm not really into leo2 due to its wieght ~60tons
It is better we stick with below 50ton requirement.
Type10 is my fav as it was the lightest and most advance below 50 tons class.

QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Oct 3 2013, 05:00 AM)
emmm i tot russia alrdy ceased t-90 order . as they waiting for 4th mbt generation T99 introduction in 2016
*
Still available for order.
They even offer it to us.
TSyinchet
post Oct 3 2013, 01:13 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...o-Boustead.aspx

Sgpv contract finalize at rm9bil.
HangPC2
post Oct 3 2013, 01:26 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Bumerang 8x8 APC (Prototype)



Currently a new family of 8x8 armored vehicles is being developed in Russia. The project is known as the Bumerang (boomerang). A baseline vehicle will be an armored personnel carrier. The new APC will be revealed to Russian military officials in 2013. The whole project is being kept in high secrecy. It is being developed alongside a new-generation Kurganets-25 infantry fighting vehicle.

Once operational this new-generation APC should replace a whole host of ageing Russian armored vehicles. The estimated requirement is at least 2 000 vehicles. First APCs will be delivered to the Russian Army for trials and evaluation in 2013. Once approved, full-scale deliveries are expected to begin in 2015.


user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
HangPC2
post Oct 3 2013, 01:34 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Defence Ministry confirms RM9b naval contract to Boustead



Published : Tuesday October 1, 2013 MYT 5:58:00 PM
Updated : Tuesday October 1, 2013 MYT 6:01:25 PM



KUALA LUMPUR : Boustead Naval Shipyard Sdn Bhd has received an amended letter of acceptance from the Defence Ministry for a RM9bil contract to build six vessels for the navy.

Boustead Holdings Bhd said on Tuesday the contract would be to build and deliver six second-generation patrol vessels with combatant capabilities.

“ The Ministry of Defence Malaysia, in the amended letter of acceptance has confirmed the value of the contract has been fixed at RM9bil, ” it said.

“ The contract period is 10 years, effective from Dec 29, 2011 to Dec 28, 2021. Further advance payment of RM700mil will be paid in stages to BN Shipyard, ” it said.

Boustead said the contract would contribute positively to the future earnings of the group.



- The Star -
cks2k2
post Oct 3 2013, 01:47 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 3 2013, 01:00 PM)
I'm not really into leo2 due to its wieght ~60tons
It is better we stick with below 50ton requirement.
Type10 is my fav as it was the lightest and most advance below 50 tons class.
Still available for order.
They even offer it to us.
*
type10 mahal yo
Frozen_Sun
post Oct 3 2013, 01:55 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
41 posts

Joined: Sep 2013
K2 saja....

K-Pop tank... biggrin.gif
SUSJames Bum
post Oct 3 2013, 01:57 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
77 posts

Joined: Jul 2013
Tom Clancy dies age 66
azriel
post Oct 3 2013, 02:25 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Oct 3 2013, 06:06 AM)
Not all Su-30, that may include refurbished F-16 Block 32 and KFX....although there's rumor that TNI-AU will purchase another squadron of Su-30MK2 under the next president's administration that begins next year.

Indonesia's GDP may reach $2000billion in 2024....that's 20bil based on current's percentage of budget defense to GDP..at 1 percent

The projected percentage of budget defense will be raised eventually to 2.5 percent...that's $50billion in 2024

So 8 fighter squadrons do sound plausible.....
*
There is a high possibilty that the next squadron of Sukhoi could be the Su-35 as stated by the new Armed Forces Chief that he is very interested with that aircraft in a recent news article.

Ainonlne june article also mention of the Su-35 besides the follow-on orders for the Su-30MK2.

QUOTE
Victor Komardin, Rosoboronexport deputy director general, told the media at LIMA 2013 that Indonesian officials have asked Russia to create a joint center for repair and maintenance of Sukhoi fighters, and Mil Mi-17 and Mi-35 helicopters in Indonesia. He believes the agreement could be signed before the planned rotation of the armed forces chiefs in the second half of the year. After the rotation, Russian salesmen expect resumption of negotiations on follow-on orders for the Su-30MK2, and even more advanced Su-35s, as well as other weapons on the Indonesian wish list.

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/par...ops-export-list


This post has been edited by azriel: Oct 3 2013, 02:52 PM
azriel
post Oct 3 2013, 03:16 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
Thai Army's 7th Infantry Division.

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

source
KYPMbangi
post Oct 3 2013, 03:42 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
Two armed forces personnel killed in Lahad Datu awarded medals

user posted image

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

KUALA LUMPUR: Two members of the Malaysian Armed Forces who were killed during 'Ops Daulat'
in Lahad Datu, Sabah early this year, were posthumously awarded the Bentara Angkatan Tentera medal.

Corporals Ahmad Hurairah Ismail and Ahmad Farhan Ruslan were represented by their fathers.

The medal presentation ceremony was officiated by Yang di-Pertuan Agong Tuanku Abdul Halim Mu'adzam Shah
in the second session of the 2013 Armed Forces gallantry awards presentation ceremony at the Istana Negara here today.

Also present at the ceremony was Raja Permaisuri Agong Tuanku Hajah Haminah.

Heading the 317 recipients was Defence Ministry Secretary-General Major-General Datuk Sri Dr Ismail Ahmad,
who was one of four receiving the Panglima Setia Angkatan Tentera.

The ceremony saw 22 people awarded the Pahlawan Angkatan Tentera, 133 recipients of the Kesatria Angkatan Tentera
and 155 who received the Darjah Bentara Angkatan Tentera.

Also present at the event were Armed Forces chief, General Tan Sri Zulkifeli Mohd Zain and Army Chief Gen Datuk Raja
Mohamed Affandi Raja Mohamed Noor. -- BERNAMA
TSyinchet
post Oct 3 2013, 03:54 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 3 2013, 01:47 PM)
type10 mahal yo
*
Mahal but worth it.
QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Oct 3 2013, 01:55 PM)
K2 saja....

K-Pop tank... biggrin.gif
*
It is expensive and heavy.
ask_dino
post Oct 3 2013, 04:01 PM

DS is the name
*****
Senior Member
741 posts

Joined: May 2006
From: The City Of Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 3 2013, 03:16 PM)
Thai Army's 7th Infantry Division.

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

source
*
Nice pictures
KYPMbangi
post Oct 3 2013, 05:03 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Oct 3 2013, 01:26 PM)
user posted image
*
Now all new apc look so generic..

user posted image
SEP 8x8 this one looks garang woo~
azriel
post Oct 3 2013, 07:58 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
Indonesia Armed Forces Anniversary Day Rehearsal.

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

source
cks2k2
post Oct 3 2013, 08:07 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 3 2013, 07:58 PM)

user posted image

user posted image

source
*
so fast parading the leos already
azriel
post Oct 3 2013, 08:14 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
user posted image

QUOTE
Malaysian ship KD Jebat (front) and Indonesian ship KRI Sultan Iskandar Muda anchored in Jervis Bay during the ADMM-Plus FTX.


This post has been edited by azriel: Oct 4 2013, 04:00 PM
azriel
post Oct 3 2013, 08:47 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE
Saab Receives Order for Combat Management and Radar Systems for Royal Thai Navy Frigate
 
(Source: Saab AB; issued Oct. 3, 2013)
 
Defence and security company Saab has signed a contract with Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering Korea, for development and integration of combat management and radar systems on a new frigate for the Royal Thai Navy. The order amounts to MSEK 850.

The contract comprises of combat management system and radar system.

Saab is the combat system integrator. In addition to the supply of its own systems, Saab is also responsible for procurement and integrations of third-party systems.

Deliveries of ship equipment are scheduled to commence in 2016 and production will take place in Sweden, Denmark, Thailand and Australia.


source
atreyuangel
post Oct 3 2013, 11:24 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 3 2013, 01:13 PM)
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...o-Boustead.aspx

Sgpv contract finalize at rm9bil.
*
I wonder if the dilly dally and much refinement on the design, system and weapon added the price.
gnome
post Oct 3 2013, 11:34 PM

- We game, do you? -
*******
Senior Member
4,925 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
Anyone went to GPEC Asia? Really like PGK new digital pattern camo
HangPC2
post Oct 4 2013, 01:33 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Deftech FW 4X4 High Mobility Multi Purpose Vehicle



user posted image




Sources : http://www.malaysiandefence.com
Frozen_Sun
post Oct 4 2013, 02:13 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
41 posts

Joined: Sep 2013
user posted image

These museum pieces need to be replaced soon.........
gnome
post Oct 4 2013, 08:20 AM

- We game, do you? -
*******
Senior Member
4,925 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Oct 4 2013, 01:33 AM)
Deftech FW 4X4 High Mobility Multi Purpose Vehicle
user posted image
Sources : http://www.malaysiandefence.com

*
Lol this bad boy beside the booth im working only laugh.gif

Heard today will have police demo (marine probably) demo at pullman
TSyinchet
post Oct 4 2013, 10:37 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 3 2013, 11:24 PM)
I wonder if the dilly dally and much refinement on the design, system and weapon added the price.
*
Not surprise at all we are the first one who buy 3000plus tonnage gowind class. Jadi kita yang kena tanggung most of the design cost.
If it were meko csl or freedom class the cost could be more than 800mil a ship.

Somehow sgpv make me fell like 2 in 1 purchase. Lekiu class batch 2 + sgpv. laugh.gif
atreyuangel
post Oct 4 2013, 11:35 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(gnome @ Oct 4 2013, 08:20 AM)
Lol this bad boy beside the booth im working only laugh.gif

Heard today will have police demo (marine probably) demo at pullman
*
err bang boleh check tak

ksut ni brapa hengget?

user posted image

QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 4 2013, 10:37 AM)
Not surprise at all we are the first one who buy 3000plus tonnage gowind class. Jadi kita yang kena tanggung most of the design cost.
If it were meko csl or freedom class the cost could be more than 800mil a ship.

Somehow sgpv make me fell like 2 in 1 purchase. Lekiu class batch 2 + sgpv. laugh.gif
*
Quite true, plus iim they refinement of the design has been done more then once.
with every refinement the engineer have to make sure that their stealth factor are not compromise

lekie batch 2?
it does give that feeling

This post has been edited by atreyuangel: Oct 4 2013, 11:36 AM
HangPC2
post Oct 4 2013, 11:50 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Deftech FW 4X4 High Mobility Multi Purpose Vehicle




user posted image

user posted image




Sources : http://www.thaiarmedforce.com
atreyuangel
post Oct 4 2013, 02:54 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
Pride of the navy fleets - Jervis Bay the perfect backdrop as visiting warships go on parade

user posted image
Australian and visiting foreign warships anchored in at Creswell, Jervis Bay. Source: News Limited

PUBLICLY it’s a party to rival New Year’s Eve but behind the scenes around the International Fleet Review, thousands of naval personnel are practising the business of war.
On the calm blue seas of Jervis Bay black masked commandos stealthily climbed aboard warships brandishing automatic weapons or rappelled down from hovering helicopters for an audience of foreign experts taking advantage of the unprecedented gathering

user posted image
HMAS Broome and 4 other ships arriving into Sydney heading to Waverton. Source: Supplied


user posted image
Australian and visiting foreign warships anchored at Creswell, Jervis Bay. Source: News Limited


user posted image
Australian Clearance drive team repeal onto the HMNZ Te Mana at Creswell, Jervis Bay. Source: News Limited

user posted image
Malaysian commanders approach JS Makinami to board it in a training exercise at Creswell, Jervis Bay. Source: News Limited
“It’s not just the events up in Sydney, the training that we get at sea, both this week and the week after the fleet review ...(provide) some really valuable training with navies we don’t get to work with all that often,” Commodore Peter Leavy said. “You get to see how the other navies do business.”
“It’s a first ... it’s going to be extremely busy.”

user posted image
Malaysian commanders approach JS Makinami to board it in a training exercise at Creswell, Jervis Bay. Source: News Limited

user posted image
HMAS Broome and four other ships arriving into Sydney, heading to Waverton. Source: Supplied

Yesterday 11 nations took part in the ASEAN Defence Ministers Meeting, co-hosted by Malaysia and Australia, before beginning exercises with specialist commando units.
“The activities have already started. They started this morning,” Com Leavy said. “Maritime security is absolutely critical to our economic prosperity and our security.”
“No one nation can do it all.”

user posted image
Australian and visiting foreign warships anchored in the Bay at Creswell, Jervis Bay. Source: News Limited

user posted image
Commodore Peter Leavy pictured at Jervis Bay. Source: News Limited


Sunday saw commando units from the Malaysian, US and Thai navy boarding Japanese warship the JS Makinami before an exercise where Australian clearance divers rappelled down to New Zealand warship Te Mana from a helicopter hovering overhead.
On a nearby boat dignitaries from a range of nations including China, Thailand, Brunei, India, Japan, the US, and Indonesia watched the exercises closely with navy personnel admitting there might be a little competition during the friendly drills.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/...2-1226729550940

Part 1
atreyuangel
post Oct 4 2013, 02:54 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
Part 2

user posted image
HMAS Broome and four other ships arriving into Sydney, heading to Waverton. Source: Supplied
“It’s about pride,” Australian liaison aboard the Malaysian warship Lieutenant Mark Shannon said. “A lot of the guys here have been selected to do this ahead of their countrymen.”
“They want to live up to that.”
The exercises are expected to continue throughout the rest of the week before the fleet departs for IFR celebrations in Sydney Harbour.
From the beach of Jervis Bay the assembled warships from multiple nations are an intimidating site.
The ships will be joined on the way by vessels from another 7 or 8 nations along with tall ships and recreational boats and watched by thousands of spectators.
“This rally is one of the biggest events for the navy in the last 100 years,” naval navigator Lieutenant Carl Cooper said. “It’s really the pinnacle of my job to be able drive into Sydney Harbour for the fleet entry.”

user posted image
Leaut Carl Cooper Navigator from HMAS Parramatta pictured at Jervis Bay. Source: News Limited
“To be able to say I navigated a warship into the harbour with potentially thousands of other ships and the other ships from around the world.”
Ltnt Cooper admitted that there was considerable pressure on sailors headed into the event.
“It will be a rules of the road nightmare but I’m sure we’ll get through,” he said.

user posted image
Australian and visiting foreign warships anchored at Creswell, Jervis Bay. Source: News Limited

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/...2-1226729550940
xtemujin
post Oct 4 2013, 03:01 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
318 posts

Joined: Nov 2009
From: Singapura, Singapore
New indoor firing range complex to sharpen SAF firepower
By Jermyn Chow | 4 October 2013 Friday | 12:29 PM

Singapore's soldiers will now spend a lot more time sharpening their marksmanship at the Republic's latest indoor firing range that went fully-operational on Friday.

The new Multi-Mission Range Complex will help combat troops to increase their markmanship training by up to 60 per cent.

This is because the three-storey marksmanship training centre allows more soldiers to hone their skills within a shorter time. With the new complex, 900 soldiers can complete their shooting tests within a day. Previously, they would take two or three days.

The complex is also the world's first marksmanship training centre to house seven different firing ranges that can simulate both day and night shooting environment. Soldiers will be put through scenarios that hone their instincts and ability to judge if they are shooting a friend or foe.

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/...epower-20131004
azriel
post Oct 4 2013, 03:13 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
user posted image

QUOTE
L-R: Brunei Navy ship KDB Darulaman, Indonesian Navy ship KRI Sultan Iskandar Muda and Malaysian Navy ship KD Jebat steam in company during multi-national exercises in the Eastern Australian Exercise Area.
azriel
post Oct 4 2013, 03:24 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
user posted image
Source: ARC

QUOTE
PT DI delivers CN-235 MP for the Navy

The Jakarta Post, Sukabumi | Archipelago | Thu, October 03 2013, 7:15 AM

State aircraft manufacturer PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PT DI) delivered on Wednesday one CN-235 Maritime Patrol (MP) aircraft to the Defense Ministry, part of a contract for three airplanes.

The Indonesian Navy will operate the aircraft, whose contract was signed in December 2009. Currently, the Navy operates the smaller NC-212 MP aircraft, which is also made by PT DI at its facility in Bandung.

PT DI president director Budi Santoso said the order showed the trust in and support for the manufacturer’s products.

“We have replied with hard work and commitment by producing quality aircraft that are on time and on budget,” Budi said in a press release.

Separately, Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro said the ministry needed at least 54 NC-212s and 21 CN-235s, while Navy chief of staff Adm. Marsetio said the aircraft would be procured by 2024.

The delivery of the two other CN-235 MPs are scheduled for December this year and February 2014.


source
kimyee73
post Oct 4 2013, 03:42 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,007 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: island up north
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 3 2013, 08:07 PM)
so fast parading the leos already
*
We also did the same thing with Pendekar.
atreyuangel
post Oct 4 2013, 03:49 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Oct 4 2013, 03:42 PM)
We also did the same thing with Pendekar.
*
iinm pendekar was only paraded after 2 years the tank enter the inventory
kimyee73
post Oct 4 2013, 03:59 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,007 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: island up north
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 4 2013, 03:49 PM)
iinm pendekar was only paraded after 2 years the tank enter the inventory
*
sure? you check? I remember it was paraded during National Day when they bought it here for testing. I can try to dig out the old news from the gempurwira forum if possible.

Updated: OK. Check out already. It was paraded in 2005 National day with the plate ARMY 2 10+10. Appeared in Tempur and Perajurit as well. That is way before it entered into service.

This post has been edited by kimyee73: Oct 4 2013, 04:03 PM
atreyuangel
post Oct 4 2013, 04:03 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Oct 4 2013, 03:59 PM)
sure? you check? I remember it was paraded during National Day when they bought it here for testing. I can try to dig out the old news from the gempurwira forum if possible.

Updated: OK. Check out already. It was paraded in 2005 National day with the plate ARMY 2 10+10. Appeared in Tempur and Perajurit as well. That is way before it entered into service.
*
oh, you mean the 2 prototype that brought from Poland?
kimyee73
post Oct 4 2013, 04:05 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,007 posts

Joined: Oct 2006
From: island up north
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 4 2013, 04:03 PM)
oh, you mean the 2 prototype that brought from Poland?
*
that is right. we paraded even the prototype.
cks2k2
post Oct 4 2013, 04:08 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Oct 4 2013, 03:42 PM)
We also did the same thing with Pendekar.
*
no idea about pendekar, but indons only got their leos like 2 weeks ago?
atreyuangel
post Oct 4 2013, 04:13 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Oct 4 2013, 04:05 PM)
that is right. we paraded even the prototype.
*
the 2 prototype actually was brought by Bumar for tropical test and parade comes with it smile.gif

same like what we did for AV8 now
zimhibikie
post Oct 4 2013, 04:16 PM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 4 2013, 04:08 PM)
no idea about pendekar, but indons only got their leos like 2 weeks ago?
*
let them parade their Leos, also for national pride wat, same as we keep on parading the AV8 prototype..
HangPC2
post Oct 4 2013, 07:15 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Malaysia's First Military Airbus On Track To Arrive In 2015



From Haslin Gaffor




SEVILLE (Spain), Oct 4 (Bernama) -- Airbus Military is on track to deliver Malaysia's first A400M aircraft in 2015, with all four ordered by the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) to arrive by 2016, the company confirmed Friday.

Airbus Military Head of Media Relations Maggie Bergsma said the RMAF has been involved with the programme from the early stages and is fully participating with the Airbus Military teams to prepare for the delivery and entry into service.

" As for all of our customers, the transition is a lap from older technologies to the ultimate technology of the A400M.

" Our A400M FISS (Full In Service Support) is designed to provide our customers with all services needed for the operations of the aircraft and we are in discussions with Malaysia on this already to ensure that this is all set in place in time for the delivery, " Bergsma said.

The French Air Force was the first to receive the A400M, the world's most versatile military airlifter designed to meet equipment needs of modern armed forces in a ceremony held at the Airbus Military Delivery Centre here Monday.

The A400M is able to perform missions that previously required two or more different types of aircraft, meeting the most varied needs of the world's air forces and other organisations in this century.

She said the entry in service of the A400M will mark a before and after in the way both military and humanitarian missions are approached.

" The versatility of the A400M allows one single aircraft doing the job for which previously up to three aircraft were needed. The A400M can deliver the contents of its bigger payload faster, further and nearer to where it is needed than any other transport aircraft found in the market.

" The RMAF will not only have three aircraft in one with each A400M, it will have an aircraft that can do it better than these three ones.

This is certainly a change. And it is a change for good, " she said when asked how the new aircraft will complement the RMAF's existing fleet.

Asked about the company's cooperation with the Malaysian Government in developing the A400M, Bergsma said the Composite Technology Research Malaysia Sdn Bhd (CTRM) is participating in the design and manufacture of some of the aircraft's secondary composite structural components.

" CTRM is now the sole source of those components, notably the complete vertical tail plane leading edge, the main landing gear doors, and many access panels on the wings and horizontal tail plane and some nacelle fairings, " she said.

The A400M was launched 10 years ago to respond to the combined needs of seven European nations regrouped within the Organisation for Joint Armament Cooperation (OCCAR).

The countries are Belgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Spain, Turkey and the United Kingdom.

The seven helped finance the costs of the project and Malaysia is the region's first export customer.

The A400M is able to perform both tactical missions directly to the point of need and long range strategic or logistic ones, and can also serve as an air-to-air refuelling " tanker. "





- BERNAMA -
gnome
post Oct 4 2013, 09:22 PM

- We game, do you? -
*******
Senior Member
4,925 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 4 2013, 11:35 AM)
err bang boleh check tak

ksut ni brapa hengget?

user posted image
Quite true, plus iim they refinement of the design has been done more then once.
with every refinement the engineer have to make sure that their stealth factor are not compromise

lekie batch 2?
it does give that feeling
*
Sorry bro tak nampak pon kasut tu earlier. Only saw 5.11 boots which is 35% off biggrin.gif

QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Oct 4 2013, 11:50 AM)
Deftech FW 4X4 High Mobility Multi Purpose Vehicle
user posted image

user posted image
Sources : http://www.thaiarmedforce.com

*
lol i actually saw the guy took the 1st photo laugh.gif
SUSAxeFire
post Oct 4 2013, 09:26 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
368 posts

Joined: Oct 2012
From: Penang
wonder why Indonesia choose the Leopard 2 when here in Malaysia we say that its too heavy for our conditions? Isnt the conditions there the same???
ayanami_tard
post Oct 4 2013, 09:58 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
pride is one of the reason. did they do through field testing to determine leo2 suitablility in indon terrain? i think they decided on buying leo2 quite fast.
atreyuangel
post Oct 4 2013, 10:01 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(gnome @ Oct 4 2013, 09:22 PM)
Sorry bro tak nampak pon kasut tu earlier. Only saw 5.11 boots which is 35% off biggrin.gif
lol i actually saw the guy took the 1st photo laugh.gif
*
tp tuk high cut boots je kan?
mid cut side zip harga sama ja
bai1101
post Oct 4 2013, 10:09 PM

I am Pervert
******
Senior Member
1,613 posts

Joined: Feb 2008
From: Sg Long/Serdang
QUOTE(AxeFire @ Oct 4 2013, 09:26 PM)
wonder why Indonesia choose the Leopard 2 when here in Malaysia we say that its too heavy for our conditions? Isnt the conditions there the same???
*

may be their strategy was more on city war or flat terrain since their major city r mostly near to sea where there can used ship to transport them here and there compare malaysia which ground transport had more advancetage

just my own oppinion.
gnome
post Oct 4 2013, 10:24 PM

- We game, do you? -
*******
Senior Member
4,925 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 4 2013, 10:01 PM)
tp tuk high cut boots je kan?
mid cut side zip harga sama ja
*
yeah saw all high cut boots jer
cks2k2
post Oct 5 2013, 12:05 AM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Oct 4 2013, 09:58 PM)
pride is one of the reason. did they do through field testing to determine leo2 suitablility in indon terrain? i think they decided on buying leo2 quite fast.
*
they saw the singaporeans getting their leos cheap, and thought, why not? let's get it first and worry later. sweat.gif
pretty sure BJ Habibie who spent many years in germany and is known to have close ties with german officials helped push the deal through.
cks2k2
post Oct 5 2013, 12:07 AM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 4 2013, 04:16 PM)
let them parade their Leos, also for national pride wat, same as we keep on parading the AV8 prototype..
*
just read somewhere that the leos were supposed to arrive in late october, but the indons pushed it forward so they can parade them in time.
ayanami_tard
post Oct 5 2013, 01:02 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
sepatu timur ftw!
ET-Force
post Oct 5 2013, 03:45 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
214 posts

Joined: Mar 2011
@yinchet

speaking of the procurement of sgpv and possible lekiu batch 2,

do you guys know why malaysia did't buy the Nakhoda Ragam OPV from Brunei?

It is the same type with Lekiu right? f2000 iinm.

except it is heavily downgraded compare to the Lekius.
why dont the gov just buy it? expensive?
KYPMbangi
post Oct 5 2013, 04:08 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
On other news

user posted image
Panglima Angkatan Tentera Malaysia (ATM), Jeneral Tan Sri Zulkifeli Mohd Zin (kiri) bersorak
bersama penyokong ATM selepas pasukan mereka berjaya menewaskan Lions XII dengan jaringan 4-1.
Frozen_Sun
post Oct 5 2013, 04:58 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
41 posts

Joined: Sep 2013
QUOTE(bai1101 @ Oct 4 2013, 10:09 PM)
may be their strategy was more on city war or flat terrain since their major city r mostly near to sea where there can used ship to transport them here and there compare malaysia which ground transport had more advancetage

just my own oppinion.
*
TNI-AD actually has 12 armored batallions (Yonkavs) .....unmodified Leopard 2A4 will be assigned to Yonkav 12 in East Kalimantan....Leopard Revolution to Yonkav 8 in East Java......

http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalyon_kavaleri

So the bulk and workhorse of Indonesian armored forces is still light tanks......perhaps Leopards are just used "in case" there's a combat with opposing MBT in open space and cities....

Surely their light tanks can't survive in this scenario
azriel
post Oct 5 2013, 08:20 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 5 2013, 12:05 AM)
they saw the singaporeans getting their leos cheap, and thought, why not? let's get it first and worry later.  sweat.gif
pretty sure BJ Habibie who spent many years in germany and is known to have close ties with german officials helped push the deal through.
*
Nope. BJ Habibie was among the persons who opposed the Leopard 2 deal.

The decision for the the Leopard 2 was made by choice not by mandate. The Indonesian Army was given the decision by the DoD to choose the MBT they would prefer to use. IINM The option at that time was a selection of MBTs such as Leo 2, M1A1, T-90 & K1A1. The Leo 2 was eventually chosen.

QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 5 2013, 03:45 AM)
@yinchet

speaking of the procurement of sgpv and possible lekiu batch 2,

do you guys know why malaysia did't buy the Nakhoda Ragam OPV from Brunei?

It is the same type with Lekiu right? f2000 iinm.

except it is heavily downgraded compare to the Lekius.
why dont the gov just buy it? expensive?
*
Indonesia already bought the 3 Nakhoda Ragam. Those OPV are set for delivery to Indonesia

This post has been edited by azriel: Oct 5 2013, 08:29 AM
HangPC2
post Oct 5 2013, 12:50 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
20 tahun lalu, anggota pasukan tentera kita telah berusaha untuk menyelamatkan anggota Rangers dan Delta Force serta krew-krew Blackhawk dalam kejadian yang telah diadaptasi menjadi filem Black Hawk Down.

Operation Gothic Serpent yang dikendalikan oleh pasukan tentera US yang dianggap mudah pada mulanya menjadi satu mimpi ngeri kepada mereka setelah Super 6-1 dan Super 6-4 telah ditembak jatuh oleh militia Somalia.

Dalam kejadian ini, seramai 114 anggota pengaman dari Malaysia menyabung nyawa untuk menyelamatkan anggota Ranger dan Delta Force. Pihak Malaysia kehilangan seorang anggota, sembilan cedera dan 4 APC Malaysia musnah dalam operasi menyelamat tersebut.

Gambar ini menunjukkan kedudukan dua APC kita musnha dalam kejadian berdarah tersebut.


user posted image




Bangkai Rheinmetall Condor 4x4 APC masih ada lagi di Somalia


user posted image


Sources : http://www.biyokulule.com
TSyinchet
post Oct 5 2013, 12:57 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 5 2013, 03:45 AM)
@yinchet

speaking of the procurement of sgpv and possible lekiu batch 2,

do you guys know why malaysia did't buy the Nakhoda Ragam OPV from Brunei?

It is the same type with Lekiu right? f2000 iinm.

except it is heavily downgraded compare to the Lekius.
why dont the gov just buy it? expensive?
*
Yes the same design.
Nakhoda does not have a hangar to keep the heli.
Which it is a major drawback. Our navy dun have much heli in the inventory and it is a very important asset for our navy so they are not keen to have the heli expose.
I think lekiu batch 2 and sgpv are the another factors. Too bad we cancel the lekiu class batch 2 and pump all the money into sgpv.
Frozen_Sun
post Oct 5 2013, 03:12 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
41 posts

Joined: Sep 2013
user posted image

Houses on the right are perfect to set up ambush with RPG....urban warfare is hell

This post has been edited by Frozen_Sun: Oct 5 2013, 03:13 PM
atreyuangel
post Oct 5 2013, 03:47 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 5 2013, 12:57 PM)
Yes the same design.
Nakhoda does not have a hangar to keep the heli.
Which it is a major drawback. Our navy dun have much heli in the inventory and it is a very important asset for our navy so they are not keen to have the heli expose.
I think lekiu batch 2 and sgpv are the another factors. Too bad we cancel the lekiu class batch 2 and pump all the money into sgpv.
*
NR also have a very low sea endurance capability which is below minimum requirement of RMN corvette
HangPC2
post Oct 5 2013, 04:52 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
US Navy launches new F-35C Lightning II carrier variant




3 October 2013



The US Navy and the 33rd Fighter Wing at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, have hosted a launching ceremony of new F-35C Lightning II carrier variant on the Emerald Coast.

VFA-101 Grim Reapers Squadron will fly the Navy's new aircraft, Lockheed Martin F-35C, to execute the mission of training pilots and sailors to fly and service the aircraft fleet.

The stealth, sensors and communication systems in the new carrier variant will allow Grim Reapers to prepare sailors to fly and maintain the F-35C safely at sea.

Lockheed Martin F-35 Program executive vice-president and general manager Lorraine Martin said the F-35C brings a broad range of force packages to the Navy fleet, and includes advanced mission systems, stealth technology and supersonic capabilities.

" The F-35C will enhance the flexibility, power projection, and rapid response of carrier air wings and joint task forces for decades to come, " Martin added.

The fighter features advanced avionics, high resolution sensors and fused targeting and combat information networks, as well as a structure designed to withstand harsh environments.



Sources : http://www.naval-technology.com
HangPC2
post Oct 5 2013, 05:06 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
AIDC IDF Fighter 2 (Concept)




user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image





This post has been edited by HangPC2: Oct 5 2013, 05:07 PM
HangPC2
post Oct 5 2013, 05:21 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
TBD XT-97 Assault Rifle





The XT97 assault rifle (Chinese : 5.56 公厘 XT97 突擊步槍 ) is a prototype multipurpose 5.56mm rifle currently under development at the 205th Armory, Ministry of Defense, Republic of China. It was first displayed in public during the 2009 Taipei Aerospace Technology Exhibition.

The weapon resembles the Belgian-made assault rifle SCAR and created with the idea of the famous MP5 sub machine gun.

This feature, together with the relocation of the charging handle above the barrel, suggests that the internal design departs significantly from the T65 assault rifle lineage. The stock is both retractable and foldable.

According to official news release, the XT97 is designed to permit quick barrel change in the field, allowing different calibers of ammunition to be fired, as the weapon is capable change the caliber to the 9x19mm NATO pistol round to a sub machine gun and the suggested 7.62mm NATO round to a heavier weapon.

Intended users of the XT97 rifle include infantry, airborne, marines, artillery, and mechanized/motorized vehicle crew.



user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
kerolzarmyfanboy
post Oct 5 2013, 09:10 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
575 posts

Joined: Feb 2013
QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Oct 5 2013, 05:21 PM)
TBD XT-97 Assault Rifle
The XT97 assault rifle (Chinese : 5.56 公厘 XT97 突擊步槍 ) is a prototype multipurpose 5.56mm rifle currently under development at the 205th Armory, Ministry of Defense, Republic of China. It was first displayed in public during the 2009 Taipei Aerospace Technology Exhibition.

The weapon resembles the Belgian-made assault rifle SCAR and created with the idea of the famous MP5 sub machine gun.

This feature, together with the relocation of the charging handle above the barrel, suggests that the internal design departs significantly from the T65 assault rifle lineage. The stock is both retractable and foldable.

According to official news release, the XT97 is designed to permit quick barrel change in the field, allowing different calibers of ammunition to be fired, as the weapon is capable change the caliber to the 9x19mm NATO pistol round to a sub machine gun and the suggested 7.62mm NATO round to a heavier weapon.

Intended users of the XT97 rifle include infantry, airborne, marines, artillery, and mechanized/motorized vehicle crew.
user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

*
that is one sexy gun~~ PRC getting increasingly better in firearms development dun u guys think? still, it looks heavy though.. wub.gif
cks2k2
post Oct 5 2013, 09:23 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Oct 5 2013, 09:10 PM)
that is one sexy gun~~ PRC getting increasingly better in firearms development dun u guys think? still, it looks heavy though..  wub.gif
*
ini ROC bukan PRC
and 4kg, damn heavy
HangPC2
post Oct 6 2013, 12:11 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Great Sea Battle Of Year Jia Wu / Jia Wu Da Hai Zhan 甲午大海戰 (2012)






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzJlFplTNNw






http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoP0rcOsSHw





This post has been edited by HangPC2: Oct 6 2013, 12:22 PM
HangPC2
post Oct 6 2013, 12:23 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN_Mugvnqt4
HangPC2
post Oct 6 2013, 02:38 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Storm Over The South-China Sea 南海风云 (1976)







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC_vr4ZfUQo
HangPC2
post Oct 6 2013, 07:53 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku112uQbhqs
HangPC2
post Oct 6 2013, 08:10 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNibOGgpyUs
HangPC2
post Oct 6 2013, 08:30 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
user posted image
HangPC2
post Oct 6 2013, 08:58 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا

HangPC2
post Oct 6 2013, 11:22 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
PERTEMPURAN DI BAKARA MARKET



PENGENALAN



1. Pertempuran di Pasar Bakara Market, Mogadishu Somalia telah menjadi satu titik di dalam diari penglibatan Tentera Darat di dalam misi PBB khususnya 19 RAMD Mekanis. Walaupun kelengkapan tempur serba kekurangan pertempuran pada 03 dan 04 oktober 1993 di tengah-tengah Kota Mogadishu itu benar-benar memberikan satu pengalaman peperangan baru kepada 11 Pegawai dan 103 Lain-lain Pangkat secara langsung dan keseluruhan Pegawai anggota MALBAT I, UNOSOM II Somalia.



2. Kejayaan pasukan MALBAT membantu pasukan tentera Amerika adalah suatu perkara yang diluar dugaan dan sangat membanggakan. Pengiktirafan dari negara Amerika dan lain-lain negara telah berjaya menbuktikan kebolehan anggota Tentera Darat Malaysia di mata antarabangsa.



SKOP



1. Pendahuluan.
2. Pengalaman sebelum operasi menyelamat.
3. Pengalaman semasa operasi menyelamat.
4. Pandangan dari sudut seorang crewman.



PENDAHULUAN



3. Pengumuman kerajaan Malaysia menyertai kumpulan Pengaman Bangsa-bangsa Bersatu di Somalia UNSOM II dan seterusnya memberi mandat kepada Tentera Darat untuk memilih pasukan yang terbaik dan bersesuaian memikul tanggungjawab tugasan tersebut. Pasukan 19 RAMD Mekanis berpengkalan di Sungai Petani dipilih memikul dan menerima tanggungjawab yang diamanahkan kepada seluruh warga pasukan itu. Rasa syukur dan hormat semangat keperwiraan pasukan menerima tangungjawab tersebut dan berterima kasih di atas kepercayaan yang diberikan oleh Tentera Darat khususnya kerajaan Malaysia dengan tidak merasa sangsi keupayaan Pasukan 19 RAMD Mekanis bagi menjalankan tugas yang diberikan. Pemilihan Pasukan 19 RAMD tersebut bukanlah dianggap satu masalah pada warga pasukan, malahan ianya satu kejayaan dan dihormati oleh pasukan-pasukan tempur lainnya.



PENGALAMAN SEBELUM OPERASI MENYELAMAT



4. Saya 1082037 Sarjan Sulaiman bin Barry mula berkhidmat dalam tentera 22 Feb 1990. Setelah tamat menjalani latihan di Pusat Latihan Rekrut Port Dickson saya telah ditempatkan untuk bertugas ke Batalion 19 RAMD Mekanis berpangkalan di Sungai Petani Kedah. Saya berasal dari Masjid Tanah Melaka, mempunyai lima adik beradik taraf pendidikan SAP. Setelah tamat menjalani kursus Memandu dan Senggaraan kelas II A bermulah kerjaya saya sebagai anggota pemandu kenderaan A di dalam Kompeni C, banyak latihan dan pengalaman dapat saya pelajari sebagai pemandu kenderaan A. Apabila 19 RAMD diberi kepercayaan menjalankan tugas di bawah PBB.



5. Saya merasa teruja apabila turut diberi peluang dan kepercayaan terpilih bersama pasukan19 RAMD bertugas di Somalia didalam Kompeni A dibawah perintah Mejar Abd Aziz bin Abd Latif dan berada didalam Platun 3 yang diketuai Leftenan Muda Juraimi bin Ariffin. Kegembiraan dan peluang ini tidak mahu saya elakkan untuk berkhidmat bersama-sama pasukan tentera pengaman dari negara lain, pengalaman yang bakal diperolehi ini cukup bererti yang tidak akan saya lupakan. Bagaimana pun keresahan tetap ada, walaupun sebelum menyertai pengaman saya dan rakan-rakan sentiasa menjalani latihan sebagai persiapan.



6. Terfikir juga adakah saya mampu menjalankan tugas di sana untuk menghadapi pelbagai risiko samada bentuk muka bumi, pergaulan, keranah masyarakat setempat, tugas dan tanggungjawab.Pergolakan dan situasi yang berlaku di antara kaum disana tidaklah penting untuk difikirkan kerana telah sedia dimaklumkan. Setelah diberi kata nasihat dan peransang keyakinan juga semangat mula meninggi, peluang yang diberi mesti direbut mungkin ianya tidak berulang lagi. Pada 30 Jun 1993 jam 2100H seramai 204 anggota kumpulan besar pertama termasuk saya berlepas dari Pangkalan TUDM Butterworth menaiki sebanyak tiga kali C130.



7. Dalam perjalanan masing-masing bagaikan terkedu untuk berkata menanyakan soalan, memikir dan memberi jawapannya sendiri amat meletihkan. Setelah berhenti beberapa destinasi akhir kami sampai ruang udara negara bergolak Somalia dan berlegar-legar seketika di Bandar Mogadishu yang amat daif seperti kawasan baru untuk dibangunkan angkara peperangan bagaikan terkena kejutan elektrik masing-masing memikir ada yang dapat merumuskan sendiri.



8. 1 Julai 1993 melangkahkan kaki di bumi Somalia dengan semangat bercampur kegerunan walau disambut oleh kumpulan kecil pertama seolah tiada perkara berat untuk difikirkan dan dengan sendirinya kami menonton upacara menghantar pulang tentera yang tidak bernasib baik. Ada di antara kami dapat menerima kenyataan ini dan bersedia dengan ketentuannya dan ada yang sebaliknya. Apa yang berlaku adalah asam garam dalam tentera, keyakinan dan keazaman tidak akan luntur.



9. Secara rasminya bermulalah tugas saya sebagai pemandu kenderaan A tempur RPZ serang hendap di kawasan yang sama cuma waktu yang berbeza, kami di tembak dicelah-celah bangunan Misi Pengaman dan membuat rondaan yang dinamakan ‘Outskirt’ sekitar Mogadishu siang dan malam dalam jangkamasa 10 jam. Tiap-tiap rondaan selama dua jam, lima kali sehari melibatkan tiga platun dalam satu Kompeni.Tugas pertama selamat

dilaksanakan walaupun di awal rondaan melibatkan platun satu mengalami sedikit masalah semasa mejalankan tugas.



10. Sebelah malamnya adalah satu tugas yang tidak akan saya lupakan di mana kami tidak dibenarkan memandu mengunakan cahaya lampu kerana mengambil kira aspek keselamatan. Walaupun telah dilatih kami belum dapat menyesuaikan diri, di sinilah bermula kerjasama krewmen antara Ketua Kereta dan pemandu. Kerisauan mula melanda kerana peranan Ketua Kereta dan pemandu tidak berfungsi dengan baik, sungguh pun dibekalkan alat pandangan malam. Terbukti kami menggunakan peralatan moden tetapi penyesuai dan penggendalian yang terhad telah mencacatkan dan boleh mengurangkan keyakinan menjalankan tugas.



11. Akhirnya kami tidak mengunakan bantuan pandang malam sebaliknya menggunakan pengalaman memandu malam untuk menyesuaikan keadaan. Detik mencabar menduga mental dan fizikal bermula apabila kami meronda kawasan kawalan pasukan Pakistan, secara tiba-tiba kawasan itu diserang secara tidak langsung kami bagaikan kehilangan arah didalam kegelapan malam mencari tempat perlindungan sebalik bangunan namun keselamatan tetap tidak memberi jaminan. Serangan itu tertumpu pada pos kawalan pasukan Pakistan bagaimana pun tempias tidak dapat dielakan.



12. Keesokan harinya kawasan yang sama ribuan manusia menjalankan aktiviti harian meskipun kami nampak beberapa orang bersenjata, kami tidak melatah malahan bersedia menghadapi apa pun risikonya. Akhirnya letupan tembakan berlaku dikesibukan orang ramai keadaan yang sangat teruja ketika itu seolah-olah tidak memberi ruang untuk membuat keputusan membalas atau terus memecut, seakan telah mendapat arahan ketika itu kami membalas tembakan tersebut tanpa merasa ragu-ragu. Saya memandu kenderaan kedua jelas nampak apa yang berlaku seakan sesuatu yang tidak kena dan kami terus memberi tentangan.



13. Saya berpendapat dan memaklumkan kepada Ketua Platun memberhentikan tembakan dan keluar dari kawasan tersebut kerana saya membayangkan platun di dalam keadaan terlalu terdedah dan kealpaan membalas tembakan dengan membabi-buta kami terdedah kepada kecekapan militan mengunakan senjata anti kereta kebal. Saya cukup gembira walaupun sebagai seorang pemandu kenderaan, Ketua Platun sependapat dengan saya lalu Ketua Platun mengarahkan meninggalkan kawasan tersebut.



PENGALAMAN SEMASA OPERASI MENYELAMAT



14. Dengan keyakinan dan kesungguhan yang di tonjolkan oleh MALBAT misi bantuan keamanan telah bertukar menjadi penguatkuasaan, ianya satu cabaran pada kami pada awalnya menjadi pertikaian antara kami. Ini terbukti apabila MALBAT secara langsung terlibat operasi penggeledahan pertama bernama ‘TARGET FISH’ di kawasan perumahan. Sebelum memulakan pergerakan kami telah diberi taklimat oleh Ketua Kompeni dan Ketua Platun terhadap tugas masing-masing. Saya dari Platun No 3 Kompeni A diarahkan membuat kepongan dan pengawasan.



15. Nada bunyi mudah untuk dilaksanakan, hakikatnya kesukaran yang dialami kerana terpaksa melayan kerenah masyarakat setempat yang segelintirnya tidak menyenangi kedatangan kami dan ada juga yang membantu bagi memudahkan pekerjaan kami. Namun ianya merupakan kejayaan yang besar buat MALBAT berjaya merampas beberapa senjata dan bahan letupan. Keupayaan dan kesungguhan MALBAT menjalankan tugas dan tanggungjawab itu membuka mata PBB dan kepercayaan diberi dengan banyak lagi operasi-operasi yang dilaksanakan.



16. Saya merasakan sepanjang menjalankan tugas sesingkat ini dengan berbagai pahit maung sebagai seorang pemandu APC banyak pengalaman yang dapat membantu saya sebagai seorang tentera yang cukup berilmu, bersemangat dan berani. Sememangnya tidak akan saya lupakan penglibatan MALBAT pertempuran di Pasar Bakara Market yang menempuh berbagai situasi. Pada 3 Oktober 1993 1 Kompeni Renjer Tentera Amerika telah menjalankan operasi bersendirian dan telah terkepung, keadaan seakan tidak memihak kepada tentera Amerika.



17. Situasi tersebut meletakkan MALBAT di dalam keadaan siap sedia untuk membantu. 2 Kompeni dari MALBAT telah diarahkan bergerak dan berkumpul di New Port. Di sana saya dan rakan-rakan sabar menunggu arahan dan rancangan yang akan diberi. Kemuncaknya tiba juga apabila kami mendapat arahan hanya melibatkan anggota crewmen sahaja tidak kepada anggota seksyen MALBAT, malah membawa pula tentera dari Amerika. Saya masih merasa terpinga-pinga dan tidak memahami apa yang akan berlaku seterusnya.



18. Akhirnya saya mendapat arahan untuk bergerak walaupun sebelum itu telah diberi taklimat ringkas oleh Ketua Platun tetapi persoalan pada diri kami masih belum mendapat jawapan. Pergerakan kami bermula agak perlahan di dahului oleh dua buah kereta kebal Pakistan dan 2 Kompeni MALBAT yang hanya mengikut, kepada pengiring hanya menanti episod yang akan belaku. Sepanjang pergerakan, kami disambut dengan tembakan dari senjata kecil pihak militia Somali sehinggalah keadaan sudah tidak terkawal, bermula dari semangat yang berani menjadi semakin luntur.



19. Ketakutan dan keresahan tidak bertahan lama sebaliknya kami merasakan menerima semangat baru apabila tentangan yang diberi dapat disaingi walaupun kelengkapan persenjataan pihak lawan lebih baik. Rancangan dan arahan juga kesetiaan kami tonjolkan dapat menyaingi lawan dengan pergerakan yang teratur. Anehnya masyarakat sekeliling merasakan tidak ada apa yang berlaku mereka tetap bersahaja mengonggong puntung rokok. Keadaan makin rancak dan sempat menyaksikan pengendalian senjata belakang kenderaan hadapan berbalas siulan berapi, akhirnya mengalah mendapat sedikit kecederaan, bagaimanapun tentera Amerika datang membantu. Semangat bagaikan disentap apabila mengetahui kemalangan dialami pasukan, bagaimanapun hanya untuk sementara semangat melawan tetap membara.



20. Semangat dan keberanian saya semakin teruja apabila Platun 3 yang diketuai oleh Leftenan Muda Juraimi bin Ariffin diarahkan terus kehadapan unuk mengambil dan menyelamat tentera Amerika. Kebuntuan timbul apabila kami tidak diberitahu lokasi, seolah bergerak menjadi satu umpan kepada pihak lawan. Sangkaan saya tetap betul, kami ditembak bertalu-talu berbagai arah, sebagai seorang pemandu berpengalaman tanpa diarah kami sepantas kilat berpusing untuk berundur.



21. Bagaimanapun Platun 3 diarah kembali menjalankan misi menyelamat setelah kedudukan pasukan Amerika dapat dipastikan. Seakan tidak peduli risiko yang akan dialami kami memecut laju kearah yang ditujui dan sepantas yang boleh kami bergerak berundur. Kepantasan dan kecekapan kami tersekat apabila kenderaan beberapa kali gagal untuk bergerak, saya mula merasakan sesuatu yang tidak kena apatah lagi tentera amerika mengharapkan perkara yang baik berlaku.



22. Hari semakin cerah tembakan tak henti-henti bagaikan mendapat rahmat saya mengetahui kesilapannya secara tidak sedar kenderaan panduan saya telah melebihi muatan dan bergerak mendaki bukit tidak sesuai untuk pergerakan awal kenderaan dengan gear 3 seperti lazim dengan memasuki gear yang paling rendah, saya berjaya memandu ke kawasan selamat.



23. Apa yang merasakan saya berbangga dan megah tidak putu-putus, saya mendapat pujian dari rakan dari Amerika berjaya membawa mereka dengan selamat. Kejayaan dan merasa bangga tidak boleh dinafikan penglibatan MALBAT khususnya saya salah seorang penyumbang kegemilangan.dan kepercayaan yang diberi oleh Tentera darat juga kerajaan Malaysia tidak dipersiakan malah kegagahan tentera kita membuka mata dunia.



PANDANGAN DARI SUDUT SEORANG CREWMAN



24. Setelah apa yang berlaku dan dilalui juga pengalaman yang diperolehi banyak membantu.untuk meningkatkan tahap professionalisma tentera kita. Meskipun kita tidak meletakkan kepercayaan sepenuhnya, pengunaan kenderaan A seperti kelengkapan, keupayaan tetapi dengan berbekalkan disiplin, pengalaman mengendalikan, kepantasan dan berfikiran tajam menonjolkan keupayaan kenderaan tersebut. Pada hakikatnya kita mengetahui kebolehan sebenar.



25. Sememangnya kita mengetahui kelengkapan kenderaan tempur tidak mempunyai pengunaan alat pandang malam terutama APC RPZ Condor 4 x 4 menjadi masalah yang besar. Penggunaan peralatan yang tidak bersesuaian boleh menganggu tumpuan penggendalian dan perlaksanaan tugas iaitu pemandu mengunakan alat pandang malam anggota tempur. Keduanya kita tidak dilatih secukupnya mengendali dan mengunakan peralatan itu, pelaksanaan tugasan malam seperti pemerhatian menampakkan kegagalan. Kesesuaian kenderaan dengan bentuk muka bumi haruslah diambil kira, kita tidak boleh beranggapan boleh pakai sahaja.



26. Seharusnya kenderaan itu mestilah ditingkatkan keupayaannya selaras memikul tugas yang besar, ketahanan dan kemampuan kenderaan menghadapi apa jua keadaan cuaca dan bentuk muka bumi. Pertukaran alat ganti kenderaan turut membebankan ini membolehkan kelicinan rancangan terganggu. Keperluan kenderaan tempur simpanan sememangnya perlu sebagai menampung keperluan operasi. Ciri-ciri keselamatan tiada seperti laser amaran perlu ada.



27. Sistem persenjataan pada kenderaan tempur sememangnya amat jauh ketinggalan apalah ada pada twin 7.62mm lebih banyak digunakan sebagai membalas sahutan tembakan musuh yang mengunakan senjata berkaliber lebih besar, kekurangan dan penggunaan terhad senjata 20mm Orlinkon (AKK) ternyata gagal menyaingi kehabatan musuh. Tugas penguatkuasaan seperti rondaan boleh mengundang kemalangan kerana kawasan yang terhad perlu diawasi memakan masa yang lama, ini amat meletihkan tumpuan pemanduan menjadi tidak konsisten.



28. Bagaimanapun pentingnya adalah arahan, rancangan dan keserasian antara crewman tersebut. Taklimat harus diberi dengan betul dan mudah difahami, ini membolehkan pemandu dan Ketua Kereta memikir dan merancang apa yang bakal berlaku. Seharusnya bantuan tembakan dari Kereta Kebal dapat membantu memusnahkan sasaran atau halangan sebagai pengiring hadapan. Penggunaan senjata Anti Kereta Kebal (AKK) ringan amatlah penting pada operasi-operasi FIBUA keberkesanan amatlah baik.



PENUTUP



29. Dalam pertempuran yang berlaku selama lima jam itu, anggota MALBAT mengalami seorang kehilangan jiwa dan sepuluh anggota tercedera (termasuk 4 cedera parah). Angka terkorban dan kecederaan telah membuktikan bahawa kita cukup terlatih, berdisplin dan sentiasa bersedia di mana saja digerakkan walaupun bergabung dengan tentera asing. Ini juga membuktikan kemampuan Tentera Darat. Kita mempunyai kekuatan mental, fizikal dan siap siaga yang baik terkenal di mata antarabangsa.



asei ini dari pengelaman seorang pemandu APC Condor SSjn Sulamian bin Barry PJK, yang terlibat secara langsung pertempuran BAKARA Market pada 13 Okt 1993.


sumber ini adalah dipetik daripada :-

azhar6429.wordpress.com/prakata-penulisan-blog/

** kredit untuk saudara azhar6429.



user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
HangPC2
post Oct 7 2013, 12:04 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Japan Self-Defense Forces Fuji Firepower 2013








http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3AIx33Udho
lovejerk
post Oct 7 2013, 12:47 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
58 posts

Joined: Jul 2012
If people with master degree in electronic & communication want to join malaysia army, will they accept?

p/s: age is 28 years old

This post has been edited by lovejerk: Oct 7 2013, 12:49 AM
atreyuangel
post Oct 7 2013, 02:05 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(lovejerk @ Oct 7 2013, 12:47 AM)
If people with master degree in electronic & communication want to join malaysia army, will they accept?

p/s: age is 28 years old
*
28?
iinm master holder are eligible until 35 and will be commissioned as Major!
ET-Force
post Oct 7 2013, 03:13 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
214 posts

Joined: Mar 2011
Seriously i would like to know more about navy ship classification

What makes a ship a cruiser, a destroyer, a frigate, a corvette?

For now, I only realise the differences is the displacement of the ship

eg >9500t for cruiser, >6000t for destroyer, >3000t for frigate and >1000t for corvette.

But the Lekius of Malaysia was only 2200t. is it the armanent that made it a frigate?

Furthermore, is corvette = OPV?

How about normal patrol vessel?

If i take US as an example,
I see their cruiser is slowly phasing out and there is no replacement programme for it, is it possible we won't see anymore cruiser in 2decades time? So that means destroyer are slowly replacing cruiser.

And there is also no more future frigate programme to replace oliver hazrd perry frigate. is LCS now take the role of frigate?

For some, maybe they just think it is a ship, but there is so many things about it bothers me much.

hope yinchet and atreyu can answer this.

Sorry for my english.
ayanami_tard
post Oct 7 2013, 03:38 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
japan punya aircraft carrier selamba je diorang panggil destroyer laugh.gif

china is worse, "casino" whistling.gif
Chucknourish
post Oct 7 2013, 03:47 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
118 posts

Joined: Sep 2013
kah kah lah roc and prc pun x tau beza
TSyinchet
post Oct 7 2013, 05:48 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 7 2013, 03:13 AM)
Seriously i would like to know more about navy ship classification

What makes a ship a cruiser, a destroyer, a frigate, a corvette?

For now, I only realise the differences is the displacement of the ship

eg >9500t for cruiser, >6000t for destroyer, >3000t for frigate and >1000t for corvette.

But the Lekius of Malaysia was only 2200t. is it the armanent that made it a frigate?

Furthermore, is corvette = OPV?

How about normal patrol vessel?

If i take US as an example,
I see their cruiser is slowly phasing out and there is no replacement programme for it, is it possible we won't see anymore cruiser in 2decades time? So that means destroyer are slowly replacing cruiser.

And there is also no more future frigate programme to replace oliver hazrd perry frigate. is LCS now take the role of frigate?

For some, maybe they just think it is  a ship, but there is so many things about it bothers me much.

hope yinchet and atreyu can answer this.

Sorry for my english.
*
Well it largely down to displacement size, weapons systems and role.
For example freedom class have a 3000 tonnage with light armed as they design it for lcs role.
Or our sgpv for example ~3000 tonnage with heavily weaponize for lcs role and there is nothing wrong for tldm to designate it as lcs as sgpv will have to take over lcs role as well.

As for battlecruiser class is no longer financially and tactical vaible to build.
Look at zumwalt class it cost them billion of dollar to build1.
The current destroyer class are very well armed sufficient to takeover cruiser role.
atreyuangel
post Oct 7 2013, 02:57 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 7 2013, 03:13 AM)
Seriously i would like to know more about navy ship classification

What makes a ship a cruiser, a destroyer, a frigate, a corvette?

For now, I only realise the differences is the displacement of the ship

eg >9500t for cruiser, >6000t for destroyer, >3000t for frigate and >1000t for corvette.

But the Lekius of Malaysia was only 2200t. is it the armanent that made it a frigate?

Furthermore, is corvette = OPV?

How about normal patrol vessel?

If i take US as an example,
I see their cruiser is slowly phasing out and there is no replacement programme for it, is it possible we won't see anymore cruiser in 2decades time? So that means destroyer are slowly replacing cruiser.

And there is also no more future frigate programme to replace oliver hazrd perry frigate. is LCS now take the role of frigate?

For some, maybe they just think it is  a ship, but there is so many things about it bothers me much.

hope yinchet and atreyu can answer this.

Sorry for my english.
*
usually ship will be classed on 3 criteria
1. Displacement
2. Armament
3. Role

example lets take Hang Jebat and Kedah and put it side by side as one is a frigate while the other is a PV

if you put this two side by side, Kedah is pretty much the same in size but
Kedah only 1800 tonne while Jebat is 2000+
Kedah only armed with basic weapon while Jebat are armed to the teeth
while the role is Kedah is for patrol while Jebat is one of the main combatant

Corvette is smaller then frigate but in term of weaponry, it can do pretty much what a frigate does but it is much more limited.
lovejerk
post Oct 7 2013, 03:07 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
58 posts

Joined: Jul 2012
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 7 2013, 02:05 AM)
28?
iinm master holder are eligible until 35 and will be commissioned as Major!
*
i see, until 35 yr old still can join, i thought 28 is too old to join army. smile.gif

Need to training for how long? Starting rank is Major or have to start from lower rank first?

Generally, only learning military knowledge from internet. Really very interested on these stuff.

This post has been edited by lovejerk: Oct 7 2013, 03:09 PM
atreyuangel
post Oct 7 2013, 03:22 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(lovejerk @ Oct 7 2013, 03:07 PM)
i see, until 35 yr old still can join, i thought 28 is too old to join army. smile.gif

Need to training for how long? Starting rank is Major or have to start from lower rank first?

Generally, only learning military knowledge from internet. Really very interested on these stuff.
*
You still have to go to basic training such marching, jungle training stuff iinm not as hardcore as recruit or cadet
and yes you'll be commissioned as Major
ET-Force
post Oct 7 2013, 03:35 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
214 posts

Joined: Mar 2011
Thanks for the answer.

Somehow i can figure out a little.
So it is depending on the gov as well to classify it as what type of ship.
No wonder there is anti air cruiser, anti sub destroyer, multi purpose blah blah blah.

About the enrollment into the defense force,
do people who hold degree/master that wear spectacles do them any good in the frontline of defense, i mean put then into battle ready situation.
atreyuangel
post Oct 7 2013, 03:43 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 7 2013, 03:35 PM)
Thanks for the answer.

Somehow i can figure out a little.
So it is depending on the gov as well to classify it as what type of ship.
No wonder there is anti air cruiser, anti sub destroyer, multi purpose blah blah blah.

About the enrollment into the defense force,
do people who hold degree/master that wear spectacles do them any good in the frontline of defense, i mean put then into battle ready situation.
*
usually graduate officer is a specialize officer
where you will be attached to the department where your skill suites you well
but you still need a good physique but not as strict as normal trooper for master degree,
but for degree you'll be treated equal to cadet
HangPC2
post Oct 7 2013, 04:26 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Oct 7 2013, 03:38 AM)
japan punya aircraft carrier selamba je diorang panggil destroyer laugh.gif

china is worse, "casino" whistling.gif
*
sebab terms undang-undang... tak nampak Military sangat..
lovejerk
post Oct 7 2013, 04:35 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
58 posts

Joined: Jul 2012
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 7 2013, 03:22 PM)
You still have to go to basic training such marching, jungle training stuff iinm not as hardcore as recruit or cadet
and yes you'll be commissioned as Major
*
Have been attending marching competitions during secondary school with KRS, should be easy to pick up with this.

But jungle training never go through before, this should be challenging. Heard that Malaysian army is the best jungle warfare army in the world, looking forward to experience this.

I have studied radio frequncy, antenna, radar and electromagnetic wave for several years, do you think most probably which regiment will be assigned?
zimhibikie
post Oct 7 2013, 04:38 PM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(lovejerk @ Oct 7 2013, 04:35 PM)
Have been attending marching competitions during secondary school with KRS, should be easy to pick up with this.

But jungle training never go through before, this should be challenging. Heard that Malaysian army is the best jungle warfare army in the world, looking forward to experience this.

I have studied radio frequncy, antenna, radar and electromagnetic wave for several years, do you think most probably which regiment will be assigned?
*
Kor Semboyan DiRaja la kot
cks2k2
post Oct 7 2013, 04:38 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(lovejerk @ Oct 7 2013, 04:35 PM)
Have been attending marching competitions during secondary school with KRS, should be easy to pick up with this.

But jungle training never go through before, this should be challenging. Heard that Malaysian army is the best jungle warfare army in the world, looking forward to experience this.

I have studied radio frequncy, antenna, radar and electromagnetic wave for several years, do you think most probably which regiment will be assigned?
*
lol
indons gonna disagree with you.

signals (semboyan) seems most likely.
hazardcradle
post Oct 7 2013, 04:41 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
77 posts

Joined: Mar 2008
From: Sesame Street
QUOTE(lovejerk @ Oct 7 2013, 04:35 PM)
Have been attending marching competitions during secondary school with KRS, should be easy to pick up with this.

But jungle training never go through before, this should be challenging. Heard that Malaysian army is the best jungle warfare army in the world, looking forward to experience this.

I have studied radio frequncy, antenna, radar and electromagnetic wave for several years, do you think most probably which regiment will be assigned?
*
definitely rejimen semboyan diraja. i'm in semboyan.
zimhibikie
post Oct 7 2013, 04:42 PM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(hazardcradle @ Oct 7 2013, 04:41 PM)
definitely rejimen semboyan diraja. i'm in semboyan.
*
based where bro?
hazardcradle
post Oct 7 2013, 04:46 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
77 posts

Joined: Mar 2008
From: Sesame Street
i'm an army reserved aka wataniah, but attached to semboyan. 15SSD (skuadron semboyan) in KL.
zimhibikie
post Oct 7 2013, 04:51 PM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(hazardcradle @ Oct 7 2013, 04:46 PM)
i'm an army reserved aka wataniah, but attached to semboyan. 15SSD (skuadron semboyan) in KL.
*
u in charge of communications? I actually dun really know what work those in semboyan do tongue.gif tongue.gif
keown83
post Oct 7 2013, 04:53 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
172 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: penang wit love
LOL ada anggota RSD Pakar TEL rupa2nya kat sini..welcome2.. laugh.gif

15,16,17 SSD is RSD Semboyan Pakar TEL, works in TM building btw
hazardcradle
post Oct 7 2013, 04:59 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
77 posts

Joined: Mar 2008
From: Sesame Street
QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 7 2013, 04:51 PM)
u in charge of communications? I actually dun really know what work those in semboyan do  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
*
radio stuff.. antenna's, towers, establishing communications etc. anything about communications, that what signals do. radio, telephone, mobile phone, signal intercept etc..
QUOTE(keown83 @ Oct 7 2013, 04:53 PM)
LOL ada anggota RSD Pakar TEL rupa2nya kat sini..welcome2..  laugh.gif

15,16,17 SSD is RSD Semboyan Pakar TEL, works in TM building btw
*
woi, pakar TEL gak ke?hahahah
mrhulk
post Oct 7 2013, 05:09 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
131 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: Behind you
QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 7 2013, 04:51 PM)
u in charge of communications? I actually dun really know what work those in semboyan do  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
*
i used to think that semboyan people is army musician.... sweat.gif
user posted image

This post has been edited by mrhulk: Oct 7 2013, 05:09 PM
lucifer_666
post Oct 7 2013, 07:57 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
234 posts

Joined: Oct 2008
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 7 2013, 03:43 PM)
usually graduate officer is a specialize officer
where you will be attached to the department where your skill suites you well
but you still need a good physique but not as strict as normal trooper for master degree,
but for degree you'll be treated equal to cadet
*
bolded part - how about those who got color blindness? unsure.gif im among the unfortunate few who got it... doh.gif
atreyuangel
post Oct 7 2013, 08:22 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(lovejerk @ Oct 7 2013, 04:35 PM)
Have been attending marching competitions during secondary school with KRS, should be easy to pick up with this.

But jungle training never go through before, this should be challenging. Heard that Malaysian army is the best jungle warfare army in the world, looking forward to experience this.

I have studied radio frequncy, antenna, radar and electromagnetic wave for several years, do you think most probably which regiment will be assigned?
*
Haha, kekanannnn lurusss
2,3,4,5 ikut2 sampai hujung....

guud ol days

depend, if youre assigned to the army mostly you'll end up under semboyan, but if you are in navy or air force
they also their own communication div that include radar and sensors

btw, tahun depan aku baru bercadang nak buat master in networking and telecommuncation,
bleh la mintak pointer skit ye bang
hehehe

QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 7 2013, 04:51 PM)
u in charge of communications? I actually dun really know what work those in semboyan do  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
*
all communication from telecommunication, network and even radars are under them


QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Oct 7 2013, 07:57 PM)
bolded part - how about those who got color blindness?  unsure.gif im among the unfortunate few who got it...  doh.gif
*
that's I'm not very sure bro, as graduate officer are really different
meedoot
post Oct 7 2013, 09:26 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
3 posts

Joined: Nov 2012
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 7 2013, 03:38 PM)
lol
indons gonna disagree with you.

signals (semboyan) seems most likely.
*
dissagree? it depend on who u ask tongue.gif

if u ask me, who is the best jungle troops in the world? all is good.. they all trained very hard in their own environment.. im really sure malaysian army is really good at the jungle in malaysia notworthy.gif
but real war depend on a lot of factor, mentality, morality, faith, trained, environment etc..
and helped with good equipment, tactics and good leader..

i always keep this in my mind.. proud on our own soldier is a must.. but underestimate the other nation army is a big mistake icon_rolleyes.gif
lovejerk
post Oct 8 2013, 12:53 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
58 posts

Joined: Jul 2012
QUOTE(hazardcradle @ Oct 7 2013, 04:41 PM)
definitely rejimen semboyan diraja. i'm in semboyan.
*
I like rejimen semboyan. Is it you are the one that responsible for calling artillery strike or reinforcement with radio?
If i am a soldier, i surely hope you always fighting beside me. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 7 2013, 08:22 PM)
Haha, kekanannnn lurusss
2,3,4,5 ikut2 sampai hujung....

guud ol days

depend, if youre assigned to the army mostly you'll end up under semboyan, but if you are in navy or air force
they also their own communication div that include radar and sensors

btw, tahun depan aku baru bercadang nak buat master in networking and telecommuncation,
bleh la mintak pointer skit ye bang
hehehe
*
yang tinggi ke kanan rendar ke kiri...
hahaha, damn miss the old day. biggrin.gif

If joining communication div, which one is better? Army? Navy or Air force?

if doing master by research, it is important to choose a good supervisor/professor. Better, if the professor have many years of experience in doing communication research, as they have developed all the necessary things like equipment and knowledge, save a lot of time. Can talk with the former student who are under that professor previously.
atreyuangel
post Oct 8 2013, 07:41 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(lovejerk @ Oct 8 2013, 12:53 AM)
I like rejimen semboyan. Is it you are the one that responsible for calling artillery strike or reinforcement with radio?
If i am a soldier, i surely hope you always fighting beside me.  biggrin.gif
yang tinggi ke kanan rendar ke kiri...
hahaha, damn miss the old day. biggrin.gif 

If joining communication div, which one is better? Army? Navy or Air force?

if doing master by research, it is important to choose a good supervisor/professor. Better, if the professor have many years of experience in doing communication research, as they have developed all the necessary things like equipment and knowledge, save a lot of time. Can talk with the former student who are under that professor previously.
*
you're are the ones that responsible to make sure that the communication network working for the combatant that called for the barrage nod.gif
plus with the integrated network centric warfare the signal is one of the most important unit right now

Each have their own way of working for example for navy, there are chances that you'll be attached to the ship as floating officer as comm officer or radar officer
same to the air force as well maybe can visit remote air force radar station all over Malaysia, but you'll be surely working at the main HQ rather then remote sites

research?
hishh seram aku dengo, me thinking of doing class, next year maybe at UMP Pahang
maybe you can give me so guidance brows.gif
what research did you do on your master?
atreyuangel
post Oct 8 2013, 08:14 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(bereev @ Oct 8 2013, 08:07 AM)
i duuno about army but last time i learn basic semboyan special alphabet from A - Z at PDRM  biggrin.gif , now seem like PDRM no more practice, i heard their road block ops conversation over radio not follow the old day, now seem like follow US using english, WQA1234 number plate Whiskey Qidah Alpha 1234 
*
Qidah?
sure not Quebec?
Phonetic is fun, I've been learning phonetic even before learning the actual alphabet courtesy of my dad laugh.gif
I still remember some morse code but I always messing up the timing
abcde90
post Oct 8 2013, 08:16 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
183 posts

Joined: Dec 2012
Anybody work in STRIDE ?
Strike
post Oct 8 2013, 08:58 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
51 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: KL
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 8 2013, 07:41 AM)
you're are the ones that responsible to make sure that the communication network working for the combatant that called for the barrage  nod.gif
plus with the integrated network centric warfare the signal is one of the most important unit right now

Each have their own way of working for example for navy, there are chances that you'll be attached to the ship as floating officer as comm officer or radar officer
same to the air force as well maybe can visit remote air force radar station all over Malaysia, but you'll be surely working at the main HQ rather then remote sites

research?
hishh seram aku dengo, me thinking of doing class, next year maybe at UMP Pahang
maybe you can give me so guidance brows.gif
what research did you do on your master?
*
so communication guys also in charge of operating the jammer thingy?

that thing is so cool in terms of technical+technology

enemy cant communicate plus cant detonate phone based IED
hazardcradle
post Oct 8 2013, 09:38 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
77 posts

Joined: Mar 2008
From: Sesame Street
QUOTE(lovejerk @ Oct 8 2013, 12:53 AM)
I like rejimen semboyan. Is it you are the one that responsible for calling artillery strike or reinforcement with radio?
If i am a soldier, i surely hope you always fighting beside me.  biggrin.gif
*
of course i will fight beside you if you join the army. you will learn the meaning of brotherhood in the army. even the PT (physical training) will teach you not to leave your fellow soldier behind by carrying him tongue.gif

QUOTE(bereev @ Oct 8 2013, 08:07 AM)
i duuno about army but last time i learn basic semboyan special alphabet from A - Z at PDRM  biggrin.gif , now seem like PDRM no more practice, i heard their road block ops conversation over radio not follow the old day, now seem like follow US using english, WQA1234 number plate Whiskey Qidah Alpha 1234 
*
it's not US, but NATO phonetic, and yes, we do use it. Alpha bravo charlie delta echo foxtrot and so on.

QUOTE(Strike @ Oct 8 2013, 08:58 AM)
so communication guys also in charge of operating the jammer thingy?

that thing is so cool in terms of technical+technology

enemy cant communicate plus cant detonate phone based IED
*
yes, the jammer. its essentially like what you say, but it is much much more complicated than that.

i'm not sure if semboyan join the army parade few weeks back at dataran merdeka, and if they did, you can catch a glimpse of army communications assets like gadgets etc.
zimhibikie
post Oct 8 2013, 09:45 AM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(hazardcradle @ Oct 8 2013, 09:38 AM)

i'm not sure if semboyan join the army parade few weeks back at dataran merdeka, and if they did, you can catch a glimpse of army communications assets like gadgets etc.
*
semboyan ada bukak tent kt dataran tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
hazardcradle
post Oct 8 2013, 09:50 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
77 posts

Joined: Mar 2008
From: Sesame Street
tent je? hahaha..mungkin classified sangat kot.
zimhibikie
post Oct 8 2013, 09:51 AM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(hazardcradle @ Oct 8 2013, 09:50 AM)
tent je? hahaha..mungkin classified sangat kot.
*
cukup la tu tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

iinm, masa Hari ATM, no equipment on parade, but for Merdeka parade, got ARTHUR on board Haggslund
hazardcradle
post Oct 8 2013, 09:58 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
77 posts

Joined: Mar 2008
From: Sesame Street
ok la tu parade arthur. bukan selalu kete lipan tu nak jalan..hahaha
KYPMbangi
post Oct 8 2013, 10:02 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(hazardcradle @ Oct 8 2013, 09:58 AM)
ok la tu parade arthur. bukan selalu kete lipan tu nak jalan..hahaha
*
lol kete lipan laugh.gif
atreyuangel
post Oct 8 2013, 01:45 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(Strike @ Oct 8 2013, 08:58 AM)
so communication guys also in charge of operating the jammer thingy?

that thing is so cool in terms of technical+technology

enemy cant communicate plus cant detonate phone based IED
*
yep, that falls under Semboyan jurisdiction

KYPMbangi
post Oct 8 2013, 05:53 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
New Arena-3 APS Debut At RAE-2013
________________________________________________________

Posted by Tamir Eshel

user posted image
Arena-3 covers 360 degrees in four quadrants with four modules,
each comprising two sensor modules.

A new active protection system from Russia appeared today at RAE-2013, as part of the display
of a series of upgrades offered to The T-72 main battle tanks.

The new system, dubbed Arena-3 covers 360 degrees in four quadrants with four modules,
which seems to comprise two sensors two effectors.

According to the manufacturer, two targets can be intercepted at each direction, at 0.3 second intervals.

The system is effective at elevation of +20 degrees and -6 degrees. It is designed to intercept projectiles
and missiles at a distance of 50 meters from the protected tank.

The previous configuration included multiple effectors and a high profile radar that has not received well
among tank crews.

According to the tank manufacturer Uralvagonzavod, the system is effective at target velocity of 70-1000 meter/second
(pertaining to RPGs, anti-tank missiles and HEAT tank rounds). The upgraded T-72 with Arena-3 weighs 46.5 tons.

user posted image
According to the manufacturer, two targets can be intercepted at each direction,
at 0.3 second intervals. The system is effective at elevation of +20 degrees and -6 degrees.

[SoS]
99FoxDemon
post Oct 8 2013, 06:00 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
23 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
From: East Coast of Cuba.
QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 8 2013, 05:53 PM)
New Arena-3 APS Debut At RAE-2013
________________________________________________________

Posted by Tamir Eshel

user posted image
Arena-3 covers 360 degrees in four quadrants with four modules,
each comprising two sensor modules.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

user posted image
According to the manufacturer, two targets can be intercepted at each direction,
at 0.3 second intervals. The system is effective at elevation of +20 degrees and -6 degrees.

[SoS]
*
shoot laser??
SUSMrUbikeledek
post Oct 8 2013, 06:19 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
580 posts

Joined: Aug 2011
QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Oct 8 2013, 06:00 PM)
shoot laser??
*
laser will take too long to heat the projectile enough for it's destruction. It's enough to shoot down mortar round fired from 5km away. But too slow for a RPG round fired from 50 meters.
TSyinchet
post Oct 8 2013, 06:37 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Oct 8 2013, 06:00 PM)
shoot laser??
*
Small missile.
KYPMbangi
post Oct 8 2013, 06:39 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Oct 8 2013, 06:00 PM)
shoot laser??
*
Small interceptor projectile
user posted image
99FoxDemon
post Oct 8 2013, 06:41 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
23 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
From: East Coast of Cuba.
oo i tot its like in C&C general shoot some laser. laugh.gif
KYPMbangi
post Oct 8 2013, 06:48 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Oct 8 2013, 06:41 PM)
oo i tot its like in C&C general shoot some laser.  laugh.gif
*
The one that could literally shoots laser would be the chinese active laser self-defence weapon (LSDW)
Installed on their type 99 tanks, it "fries" the opponent's camera optics

QUOTE
user posted image

That "box" on the upper right housed the system
TSyinchet
post Oct 8 2013, 06:53 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(99FoxDemon @ Oct 8 2013, 06:41 PM)
oo i tot its like in C&C general shoot some laser.  laugh.gif
*
The tech is not yet available.
lovejerk
post Oct 8 2013, 06:59 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
58 posts

Joined: Jul 2012
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 8 2013, 07:41 AM)
you're are the ones that responsible to make sure that the communication network working for the combatant that called for the barrage  nod.gif
plus with the integrated network centric warfare the signal is one of the most important unit right now

Each have their own way of working for example for navy, there are chances that you'll be attached to the ship as floating officer as comm officer or radar officer
same to the air force as well maybe can visit remote air force radar station all over Malaysia, but you'll be surely working at the main HQ rather then remote sites

research?
hishh seram aku dengo, me thinking of doing class, next year maybe at UMP Pahang
maybe you can give me so guidance brows.gif
what research did you do on your master?
*
ya, agree. Once the communication black out, the army may have to halt its advances in the field.

Personally, i think that doing master by taking class is better. laugh.gif
Because less uncertainty and can graduate in fixed time frame, and lesser stress too, only have some stress during exam.
Anyway, master by taking class still need to undergo some short research period during the final stage of the study, something similar to a final year project, but more advance.

I did research on antenna, something similar to the reflective antenna used in Russian S-300 missile system, the big flat panel antenna. Basically trying to broader the bandwidth of this kind of antenna, reduce interference of the antenna to other system and other improvements too.

QUOTE(hazardcradle @ Oct 8 2013, 09:38 AM)
of course i will fight beside you if you join the army. you will learn the meaning of brotherhood in the army. even the PT (physical training) will teach you not to leave your fellow soldier behind by carrying him tongue.gif
it's not US, but NATO phonetic, and yes, we do use it. Alpha bravo charlie delta echo foxtrot and so on.
yes, the jammer. its essentially like what you say, but it is much much more complicated than that.

i'm not sure if semboyan join the army parade few weeks back at dataran merdeka, and if they did, you can catch a glimpse of army communications assets like gadgets etc.
*
I heard this in the famous movie "Black Hawk Down", the delta force and US ranger always "Left No Man Behind!". Even the dead one they must try to take their body back. smile.gif

This post has been edited by lovejerk: Oct 8 2013, 06:59 PM
keown83
post Oct 8 2013, 07:04 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
172 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: penang wit love
QUOTE(hazardcradle @ Oct 8 2013, 09:50 AM)
tent je? hahaha..mungkin classified sangat kot.
*
yer la

kalu nak bawak lori ais nanti, sape yg nak teruja, orang dtg nak tgk kete kebal, bukan nak tgk lori ais laugh.gif

& that lori oren..not sure if they showcase them..maybe they didnt

This post has been edited by keown83: Oct 8 2013, 07:06 PM
atreyuangel
post Oct 8 2013, 10:14 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(lovejerk @ Oct 8 2013, 06:59 PM)
ya, agree. Once the communication black out, the army may have to halt its advances in the field.

Personally, i think that doing master by taking class is better.  laugh.gif
Because less uncertainty and can graduate in fixed time frame, and lesser stress too, only have some stress during exam.
Anyway, master by taking class still need to undergo some short research period during the final stage of the study, something similar to a final year project, but more advance.

I did research on antenna, something similar to the reflective antenna used in Russian S-300 missile system, the big flat panel antenna. Basically trying to broader the bandwidth of this kind of antenna, reduce interference of the antenna to other system and other improvements too.
I heard this in the famous movie "Black Hawk Down", the delta force and US ranger always "Left No Man Behind!". Even the dead one they must try to take their body back.  smile.gif
*
woah, can I read it one day!
Frozen_Sun
post Oct 9 2013, 02:35 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
41 posts

Joined: Sep 2013
QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 8 2013, 05:53 PM)
New Arena-3 APS Debut At RAE-2013
________________________________________________________

Posted by Tamir Eshel

user posted image
Arena-3 covers 360 degrees in four quadrants with four modules,
each comprising two sensor modules.

A new active protection system from Russia appeared today at RAE-2013, as part of the display
of a series of upgrades offered to The T-72 main battle tanks.

The new system, dubbed Arena-3 covers 360 degrees in four quadrants with four modules,
which seems to comprise two sensors two effectors.

According to the manufacturer, two targets can be intercepted at each direction, at 0.3 second intervals.

The system is effective at elevation of +20 degrees and -6 degrees. It is designed to intercept projectiles
and missiles at a distance of 50 meters from the protected tank.

The previous configuration included multiple effectors and a high profile radar that has not received well
among tank crews.

According to the tank manufacturer Uralvagonzavod, the system is effective at target velocity of 70-1000 meter/second
(pertaining to RPGs, anti-tank missiles and HEAT tank rounds). The upgraded T-72 with Arena-3 weighs 46.5 tons.

user posted image
According to the manufacturer, two targets can be intercepted at each direction,
at 0.3 second intervals. The system is effective at elevation of +20 degrees and -6 degrees.

[SoS]
*
Daisy chain two obsolete malyutka ATGM launchers with one Kornet launcher.....

When the operator push the trigger.....the two malyutka missiles are launched first with 0.5s interval......followed 0.2s later by the Kornet missile

The first two malyutka are decoys......the 0.2s interval used by the Kornet...hopefully can defeat the 0.3s reaction time of the Arena 3.......

Hopefully, the same concept can be used to defeat Israel's Trophy tongue.gif

This post has been edited by Frozen_Sun: Oct 9 2013, 02:38 AM
azriel
post Oct 9 2013, 09:02 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE
Tuesday, 08 October, 2013 | 12:56 WIB

TNI: New Defense System to be Completed in 2017

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - Head of the Information Division at the Indonesia National Armed Forces (TNI) Brigadier General Rukman Ahmad, said that Indonesia's new primary defense system (alutsista) will arrive in 2017 at the latest.

"All new alutsista, including Apache helicopters, will arrive in 2017 at the latest," Rukmain said on Monday, October 7. "I have confirmed with the Army's logistics staff," he added.

Previously, Deputy Minister of Defense Sjafrie Sjamsoedin said that Indonesia would receive a number of new alutsista, which were expected to arrive in September 2013.

The new system includes hundreds of Leopard heavy tanks, dozens of amphibious tanks to guard the Indonesian coastline, a number of rockets for long-distance defense, and fighter planes.

Rukman explained that the Ministry of Defense has received a budget allocation of Rp 150 trillion (around US$13,02 billion) for alutsista improvements. The budget has been disbursed by the government in the past five years.

PRIHANDOKO


source
hazardcradle
post Oct 9 2013, 10:27 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
77 posts

Joined: Mar 2008
From: Sesame Street
QUOTE(keown83 @ Oct 8 2013, 07:04 PM)
yer la

kalu nak bawak lori ais nanti, sape yg nak teruja, orang dtg nak tgk kete kebal, bukan nak tgk lori ais  laugh.gif

& that lori oren..not sure if they showcase them..maybe they didnt
*
lori oren tu mesti orang ingat bomba.. laugh.gif sebelum masuk sembyan pun aku ingat bomba..hahaha
azriel
post Oct 9 2013, 11:00 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE
DND mulls submarine acquisition

(philstar.com)  | Updated October 7, 2013 - 3:07pm

MANILA, Philippines - A ranking military official presented plans on the acquisition of three submarines to boost the country's maritime defense.

Northern Luzon Command head Major Gen. Gregorio Pio Catapang said on Monday in a state news report that the Philippine Navy needs the stealth warships to monitor the Philippines' coastal territories.

Catapang said this amid the Chinese's presence in Philippine-claimed areas in the West Philippine Sea--a case elevated to a maritime arbitral tribunal at the Netherlands.

The official said the military plans to purchase the conventional-powered or diesel-electric submarines, which are generally cheaper than nuclear-powered units.

Also being eyed is the acquisition of six frigates for anti-air warfare, 12 corvettes for anti-submarine warfare, 18 offshore patrol vessels and three anti-mine warfare ships.

However, the paper presented by Catapang did not specify on how long and how much it will cost the Philippines to complete this acquisitions.

A brand new diesel-powered submarine unit costs $200 million to $500 million, while nuclear-run types are a hefty $2 billion each. - Camille Diola


source
kinabalu
post Oct 9 2013, 11:04 AM

20k VIP club
******
Senior Member
1,167 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
From: Joined: Today, 08:45 AM
QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 9 2013, 11:00 AM)
source
*
Wah... pinoy's appetite so big...... but can they digest it all? icon_idea.gif
cks2k2
post Oct 9 2013, 11:47 AM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 9 2013, 11:00 AM)
source
*
lol
they really think they can afford to buy and run a nuclear-powered sub
sweat.gif
TSyinchet
post Oct 9 2013, 01:55 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
They ahould just focus on smaller ship 1st. Their entire fleet facepalm.
kerolzarmyfanboy
post Oct 9 2013, 11:22 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
575 posts

Joined: Feb 2013
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 9 2013, 01:55 PM)
They ahould just focus on smaller ship 1st. Their entire fleet facepalm.
*
true2..their airforce and navy should be their priority..so much facepalm that i think even other asean countries felt embarassed looking at pinoy's navy and airforce..hell they're still using WW2 ships for god sake.. sad.gif
ayanami_tard
post Oct 10 2013, 04:48 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
no their infantry (the grunt who do the hard work) should be number 1 priority. the level of combat readiness in general is just doh.gif
nikita zuleica
post Oct 10 2013, 04:57 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
410 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
lol pinoy always boasting one , they proud with it laugh.gif
wanvadder
post Oct 10 2013, 05:05 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
94 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
From: Tristram
user posted image


Berikut ialah Laporan terkini koresponden PP Megat Komeng di KD Kelantan dan Helang Rimba di KD Laksamana Tun Abdul Jamil.

===============================

Pemerkasaan Kawalan Maritim, Kenyataan oleh YB Dato' Seri Hishamuddin Tun Hussein

Klang 10 Oktober 2013

1. PENUBUHAN PASUKAN MARIN

Pasukan Marin akan di tubuhkan bagi memantapkan keupayaan amfibia ATM. Unit-unit sedia ada dari ketiga-tiga cabang ATM akan di latih bagi menjalankan operasi di darat dan laut (amfibia) . Inisiatif ini tidak akan memakan masa yang lama di samping penggunaan kos juga akan di kurangkan.

Kementerian akan membeli aset-aset kritikal dari negara yang mempunyai hubungan erat dengan negara kita dalam industri pertahanan. Perolehan aset-aset dengan cara sedemikian adalah lebih murah dan cepat serta berisiko rendah.

Usaha ini adalah penyelesaian jangka pendek. Manakala projek-projek besar bagi pembangunan LCS tetap akan di teruskan bagi mencapai status Self Reliance.

2. Pangkalan TLDM Bintulu

Kementerian Pertahanan akan membina Pengkalan TLDM yang baru di Bintulu bagi menjaga keselamatan di perairan Malaysia Timur terjamin. Usaha ini juga di laksanakan bagi melindungi Bintulu selaku lokasi strategik penting negara dalam industri carigali hidrocarbon yang sedang pesat membangun.

3. Kapal Peronda LCS

Litoral Combat Ship (LCS) yang akan memulakan operasi pada tahun 2018 akan menjadi aset utama TLDM bagi menjaga keselamatan perairan negara. LCS di dalam proses akhir perjanjian dan jika berjalan lancar akan memulakan pembinaan pada tahun hadapan.

4. Program SLEP KD Kasturi akan disiapkan selewat-lewatnya pada hujung tahun ini.

5. Program naik taraf persenjataan NGPV. Laporan awal menyatakan pihak kementerian akan menilai keperluan semasa dan akan menunggu nasihat dari end user bagi mempertingkatkan keupayaan. MENHAN akan berusaha mendapatkan bajet untuk melengkapkan NGPV dengan persenjataan setaraf dengan Light Frigate.

Sekian dari KD Kelantan dan KD Laksamana Tun Abdul Jamil di Klang.

PANGGILAN PERTIWI

*explodes*
KYPMbangi
post Oct 10 2013, 05:29 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
Wait, what? like, ummm FUUUUUUUU~
zimhibikie
post Oct 10 2013, 05:40 PM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
Nice to hear that we wanna establish a dedicated Marine Force, but it would be costly tho..

LCS, what class? Gowind ka?
pcboss00
post Oct 10 2013, 05:42 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
177 posts

Joined: Jul 2013
TLDM lagi. TUDM gonna rage...
cks2k2
post Oct 10 2013, 05:48 PM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE
Unit-unit sedia ada dari ketiga-tiga cabang ATM akan di latih bagi menjalankan operasi di darat dan laut (amfibia) . Inisiatif ini tidak akan memakan masa yang lama di samping penggunaan kos juga akan di kurangkan


doesn't sound like dedicated marine corps
zimhibikie
post Oct 10 2013, 05:49 PM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 10 2013, 05:48 PM)
doesn't sound like dedicated marine corps
*
well, actually elements from 10 Briged PARA already well trained for airborne, marine and heli assault, tho not dedicated ones for marine and heli assault..
keown83
post Oct 10 2013, 05:55 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
172 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: penang wit love
i thot 10 briged para is a dedicated airborne assault troop..???

if dedicated marine corps is created, then we will have a complete all-round attack element
usernameINVALID
post Oct 10 2013, 05:59 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
36 posts

Joined: Feb 2012
marine eh...aint marine force an offensive entity?
KYPMbangi
post Oct 10 2013, 06:01 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
Wonder how they gonna induct the personnel into marines?

intense US style recruit from the army? cuz the need to be the elite unit like the paras
heavyduty
post Oct 10 2013, 06:19 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
127 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
QUOTE(keown83 @ Oct 10 2013, 05:55 PM)
i thot 10 briged para is a dedicated airborne assault troop..???

if dedicated marine corps is created, then we will have a complete all-round attack element
*
Capable of disembarking from amphibious crafts doesn't take that much skill or training

The new 'marine corps' will be a raider type unit that would be able to lift some burden off PASKAL who have borne the brunt of most of the operations for the past few years
periuk_api1209
post Oct 10 2013, 07:06 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
3 posts

Joined: Feb 2012
QUOTE(heavyduty @ Oct 10 2013, 06:19 PM)
Capable of disembarking from amphibious crafts doesn't take that much skill or training

The new 'marine corps' will be a raider type unit that would be able to lift some burden off PASKAL who have borne the brunt of most of the operations for the past few years
*
..probably macam British royal marine commando kot...
HangPC2
post Oct 10 2013, 07:35 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
IJN Zuiho-class Light Carrier



user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
HangPC2
post Oct 10 2013, 07:37 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
QUOTE(wanvadder @ Oct 10 2013, 05:05 PM)
user posted image
Berikut ialah Laporan terkini koresponden PP Megat Komeng di KD Kelantan dan Helang Rimba di KD Laksamana Tun Abdul Jamil.

===============================

Pemerkasaan Kawalan Maritim, Kenyataan oleh YB Dato' Seri Hishamuddin Tun Hussein

Klang 10 Oktober 2013

1. PENUBUHAN PASUKAN MARIN

Pasukan Marin akan di tubuhkan bagi memantapkan keupayaan amfibia ATM. Unit-unit sedia ada dari ketiga-tiga cabang ATM akan di latih bagi menjalankan operasi di darat dan laut (amfibia) . Inisiatif ini tidak akan memakan masa yang lama di samping penggunaan kos juga akan di kurangkan.

Kementerian akan membeli aset-aset kritikal dari negara yang mempunyai hubungan erat dengan negara kita dalam industri pertahanan. Perolehan aset-aset dengan cara sedemikian adalah lebih murah dan cepat serta berisiko rendah.

Usaha ini adalah penyelesaian jangka pendek. Manakala projek-projek besar bagi pembangunan LCS tetap akan di teruskan bagi mencapai status Self Reliance.

2. Pangkalan TLDM Bintulu

Kementerian Pertahanan akan membina Pengkalan TLDM yang baru di Bintulu bagi menjaga keselamatan di perairan Malaysia Timur terjamin. Usaha ini juga di laksanakan bagi melindungi Bintulu selaku lokasi strategik penting negara dalam industri carigali hidrocarbon yang sedang pesat membangun.

3. Kapal Peronda LCS

Litoral Combat Ship (LCS) yang akan memulakan operasi pada tahun 2018 akan menjadi aset utama TLDM bagi menjaga keselamatan perairan negara. LCS di dalam proses akhir perjanjian dan jika berjalan lancar akan memulakan pembinaan pada tahun hadapan.

4. Program SLEP KD Kasturi akan disiapkan selewat-lewatnya pada hujung tahun ini.

5. Program naik taraf persenjataan NGPV. Laporan awal menyatakan pihak kementerian akan menilai keperluan semasa dan akan menunggu nasihat dari end user bagi mempertingkatkan keupayaan. MENHAN akan berusaha mendapatkan bajet untuk melengkapkan NGPV dengan persenjataan setaraf dengan Light Frigate.

Sekian dari KD Kelantan dan KD Laksamana Tun Abdul Jamil di Klang.

PANGGILAN PERTIWI

*explodes*
*
KOR MARIN !!!!
kerolzarmyfanboy
post Oct 10 2013, 07:48 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
575 posts

Joined: Feb 2013
is it true or just rumors again? marine is indeed necessary but i don't think its very crucial atm for us..i think more money should be invested in navy/APMM ships.. sad.gif
HangPC2
post Oct 10 2013, 07:49 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Maneuver Combat Vehicle (MCV)



The Maneuver Combat Vehicle ( 機動戦闘車 kidou-senntou-sha ) is a wheeled tank destroyer of the Japan Ground Self-Defense Force.

The maneuver combat vehicle, which will equip combat units, will be useful for attacks to armored fighting vehicles and personnel using a large caliber gun after rapid deployment in response to various contingencies.



user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
batu^bergolek
post Oct 10 2013, 09:30 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
5 posts

Joined: Sep 2013
Sibmas & Condor ada keupayaan amfibi tak ?
kerolzarmyfanboy
post Oct 10 2013, 10:22 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
575 posts

Joined: Feb 2013
QUOTE(batu^bergolek @ Oct 10 2013, 09:30 PM)
Sibmas & Condor ada keupayaan amfibi tak ?
*
ada2..tapi dengarnya kena sealed dgn duct tape kat pintu2 dulu before masuk dalam air.. biggrin.gif
KYPMbangi
post Oct 10 2013, 11:02 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(batu^bergolek @ Oct 10 2013, 09:30 PM)
Sibmas & Condor ada keupayaan amfibi tak ?
*
Got, but ocean going? doubt so
The AV8 will take over their role anyway.

The thing that we don't have for a marine corp is lst ship
Which sadly ours burned down..

user posted image
minizian
post Oct 11 2013, 12:43 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,074 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Verdun
I am curious if former PM or DPM still escorted by same team as the one that provided by to current PM/DPM or they used their own escort?

This post has been edited by minizian: Oct 11 2013, 12:45 AM
ayanami_tard
post Oct 11 2013, 04:45 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
setia senantiasa!

well there are 2 (or 3) school of thought about marine corp establishment. one is naval infantry(like the venerable USMC), which is just your average intantry with additional training ,say like, 5 weeks more? usually the extra weeks are for amphibious training.

the other are RRF-type,like Royal navy. these type of marine is pretty much like 10-briged for navy.

as for the equipment.ACV-300 an take some of the role as amphibious vehicle. the same goes to 3-tonne truck and the new 4x4 utility vehicle(whatitsnameagain). but we still need to buy other equipments for the marine corps,like the landing craft, aav, helos,etcetc. also some large equipment 120mm mortar and artillery

This post has been edited by ayanami_tard: Oct 11 2013, 04:51 AM
Strike
post Oct 11 2013, 08:32 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
51 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: KL
QUOTE(usernameINVALID @ Oct 10 2013, 05:59 PM)
marine eh...aint marine force an offensive entity?
*
last time i also thought we dont need offensive..

after Sulu case, its not a bad idea after all.
SUSMrUbikeledek
post Oct 11 2013, 08:39 AM

On my way
****
Senior Member
580 posts

Joined: Aug 2011
I wonder how the ranks system will be. Will the marine be part of the Navy or it will be a separate entity. If they are part of the navy, the ranks system may follow the Navy system just like the PASKAL now.
lulz
post Oct 11 2013, 09:09 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
25 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
So,
20 or so transport heli
6+ super cobra
2 mini dokdo
GO GO GO.
kulai_busuk
post Oct 11 2013, 09:10 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
0 posts

Joined: Jul 2013
When our defence announced to create marine core for atm. Was he free from the influence of weed? Just to make sure..... Coz ters no way our budget will allow it...
cks2k2
post Oct 11 2013, 09:55 AM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
since we're talking about marines:

QUOTE
October 7, 2013: The U.S. Marine Corps is facing an old problem. Over the last few decades its weapons and equipment got heavier, so that it could compete with army units during combat operations on land. This made your average marine combat unit heavier and more difficult to move ashore for amphibious operations. In response, marine commanders say they would prefer to be a smaller force, one that concentrates on its main mission: amphibious and commando type operations.

Many marines are unhappy with the way they have been used as an army auxiliary over the past decade. The marines consider themselves specialists, while the army are generalists (and, for example, carried out more amphibious operations than the marines did during World War II). But by law (which specifies the minimum size of the Corps, a law that could be changed) and determination (of generations of marines), the marines have come to comprise a quarter of America's ground combat forces. That's active duty, when you count the much larger army reserve force, the marines are 18 percent of ground combat forces. The marines never wanted to be just another part of American ground combat forces. This has caused some tension within the marine leadership, as some commanders want to maintain as broad a range of skills as possible. This has led to disputes over how to handle development and procurement of specialist equipment, especially amphibious and armored vehicles.

The marines are also concerned with their relationship with the U.S. Navy, which has now formed another ground combat force. To understand how this came about you have to understand the relationship between the navy and the marines. The marines are not part of the navy, as they are often described. Both the navy and marines are part of the Department of the Navy. The Department of the Army and Department of the Air Force each have only one component, while the Navy Department has two (the fleet and the marines) who are separate services that are closely intertwined. For example, the navy provides many support functions for the marines which, in the army and air force, are provided by each service. Thus, navy personnel serve in marine units (wearing marine combat uniforms) as medics and other support specialists. In the army the medics are soldiers and the air force support personnel are all airmen. The use of the navy for support functions means a much higher proportion of marines are combat troops than in the navy, army, or air force. This gives the marines a different attitude and outlook.

Over the years, the marines have acquired more and more autonomy from the navy. When the U.S. Marine Corps was created, over two centuries ago, marines were sailors trained and equipped to fight as infantry, and they were very much part of the navy and part of ship crews. This changed radically in the late 19th century, when all-metal steam ships replaced wooden sailing ships. The new "iron ships" really didn't need marines and there were proposals to eliminate them. In response, the American marines got organized and made themselves useful in other ways. For example, the marines performed very well as "State Department Troops" in Latin America for half a century (late 19th century to just before World War II), where American troops were frequently used to deal with civil disorder abroad and nation building. During World War I (1914-18), they provided a brigade for ground combat in Europe where they demonstrated exceptional combat skills.

As World War II approached during the 1930s, the U.S. Marine Corps really ran with the ball when the navy realized they would have to use amphibious assaults to take heavily fortified Japanese islands in any future war. Thus, once the U.S. entered World War II, the marines formed their first division size units and ended the war with six divisions, organized into two corps.

The Marine Corps was no longer just a minor part of the navy but on its way to being a fourth service. Over the next half century it basically achieved that goal. But in doing that, the navy lost control of its ground troops. Navy amphibious ships still went to sea with battalions of marines on board. But because the marines are mainly an infantry force, and the war on terror is basically an infantry scale battle, the marines spent a lot more time on land working alongside the U.S. Army.

In response to all this, U.S. Navy began building a new ground combat force in 2006, staffed by 40,000 sailors. This is NECC (Navy Expeditionary Combat Command), which is capable of operating along the coast and up rivers, as well as further inland. NECC units have served in Iraq and are ready to deploy anywhere else they are needed. The 1,200 sailors in the EOD (Explosive Ordnance Disposal) teams are particularly sought after, because of increased use of roadside bombs and booby traps by the enemy. NECC organized three Riverine Squadrons which served in Iraq. NECC basically consists of most of the combat support units the navy has traditionally put ashore, plus some coastal and river patrol units that have usually only been organized in wartime.

This new navy organization, and the strategy that goes with it, came as a surprise to many people, especially many of those in Congress who were asked to pay for it. It came as a surprise to many NECC sailors as well. The navy even called on the marines to provide infantry instructors for the few thousand sailors assigned to riverine (armed patrol boat) units. The navy already had infantry training courses for Seabees (naval construction personnel) and members of EOD (Explosive Ordnance Disposal) teams. Now all that was combined in the Expeditionary Combat Skills (ECS) course, which is conducted at a base in Mississippi.

The U.S. Marine Corps has mixed feelings about NECC, for the marines have long been the navy's ground combat troops. The navy says that the USMC mission will remain. Thus, some marine leaders want to shrink the Corps so they become small enough to handle anticipated navy amphibious operations and not large enough to have troops available for large scale support of army operations.

In effect, many American marine commanders want to be more like the British marines. That's interesting, because British marines are called Royal Marine Commandos and are quite different from their American counterparts. Britain invented the modern concept of the commando but disbanded its ten army commando's (as the battalion size commando units were called) at the end of World War II. The Royal Marines, however, saw the commando concepts as a welcome addition to their own amphibious doctrine and retained three of their nine Royal Marine Commandos. Since World War II, the Royal Marines have maintained at least three commando battalions. Artillery and engineer units are supplied by the army.

Like the U.S. Marines, the Royal Marines realized that assault from the sea was always a commando like operation which required special training, bold leadership, and an aggressive spirit. The Royal Marines, like their American counterparts, continued to innovate. In 1956, it was a Royal Marine Commando that launched the first helicopter assault from ships against a land target (during the invasion of Egypt). The Royal Marine Commandos were used extensively to keep the peace in Ireland during the 1970s and 80s. In 1982, it was two Royal Marine Commandos and one parachute battalion that did most of the fighting to retake the Falkland Islands from Argentina. The Royal Marines have performed peacekeeping duty in the Balkans and Africa, and served as an amphibious fast reaction force.

While the U.S. Marines made a name for themselves with multi-division amphibious operations in the Pacific during World War II, the Royal Marines stuck with the commando type operations that characterize what marines spent most of the time doing between major wars in the past. Remember, the last large scale amphibious operation took place over sixty years ago (Inchon, Korea in 1950). Since then, the typical marine mission has been a quick assault using a small (usually battalion size) force.

In anticipation of this, the U.S. Marine Corps Special Operations Command (MARSOC) was created in 2006. Since then it has kept its 2,500 personnel busy with dozens of deployments in South America, the Caribbean, Africa, the Middle East, Central Asia, and Southeast Asia. MARSOC is organized into a headquarters, a two battalion Special Operations Regiment, a Foreign Military Training Unit, and a Marine Special Operations Support Group. There are 3-4 Special Operations companies in each battalion.

The marines basically lost two of their four Force Recon companies (one of them a reserve unit) in order to build MARSOC. Meanwhile, more troops have been added to division level reconnaissance units, to take up some of that slack. The Special Operations companies (with about 120 personnel each) can provide Force Recon capabilities to marine units they are attached to. The two Special Operations Battalions provide a combination of services roughly equal to what the U.S. Army Special Forces and Rangers do, as well as some of the functions of the Force Recon units.

With MARSOC the marines are playing catchup. In the late 1980s all the other services, except the marines, contributed to the formation of SOCOM (Special Operations Command). The marines finally got around to working with SOCOM in 2005, when it was agreed that they would create a marine special operations command (MARSOC). The Marine Corps had long resisted such a step, largely because of its belief that marines are inherently superior warriors capable of highly specialized missions. This attitude began to change during the fighting in Afghanistan, when marines were assigned to support SOCOM troops there and were duly impressed.

As a result of that experience, marines were attached to SOCOM for liaison and observation purposes. In 2004, the marines organized a company sized unit of commandos, Detachment One, using volunteers from their Force Recon troops, the closest thing the marines had to commandos. Detachment One was sent to Iraq, where it's performance convinced SOCOM that marines could operate at the SOCOM level.

Most marine commanders see their future as a smaller (by up to a third, at least) even more elite and better equipped force. The marines want to get back to sea, and the current post Iraq/Afghanistan reduction in force (RIF) can be done without losing a lot of the valuable combat experience the marines have gained since September 11, 2001. Recruiting was reduced for a few years, and some marines transferred to the navy (in jobs that both sailors and marines handle), especially the NECC force. Marines have long moved over to the army, and the army would be glad to get an infusion of combat experienced marines, especially NCOs and officers. The marines also want to expand their reserve force so that marines who decide to get out can simply move over to the reserves.

The marines who remain with the Corps will probably continue the more extensive training marines have been getting for several decades now. This makes the marines an even more elite force, which is what many marines are fine with.


sos
TLDR: US marines consider returning back to their original purpose.
usernameINVALID
post Oct 11 2013, 10:04 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
36 posts

Joined: Feb 2012
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 11 2013, 09:55 AM)
since we're talking about marines:
TLDR: US marines consider returning back to their original purpose.
*
so,what would be the purpose of our marines?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
kinabalu
post Oct 11 2013, 10:07 AM

20k VIP club
******
Senior Member
1,167 posts

Joined: Dec 2008
From: Joined: Today, 08:45 AM
US marines size > most countries standing army (including british army)
batu^bergolek
post Oct 11 2013, 10:33 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
5 posts

Joined: Sep 2013
QUOTE(usernameINVALID @ Oct 11 2013, 10:04 AM)
so,what would be the purpose of our marines?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

*
Lebih pada backup TD rasanya..
usernameINVALID
post Oct 11 2013, 10:35 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
36 posts

Joined: Feb 2012
QUOTE(batu^bergolek @ Oct 11 2013, 10:33 AM)
Lebih pada backup TD rasanya..
*
with billions worth of equipments laugh.gif
TSyinchet
post Oct 11 2013, 01:31 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
If you want to troll then goes elsewhere.
Seriously what a stupid question to ask.
A marine corps is for amphibious military operations.
These is a quality we always lacking off.
atreyuangel
post Oct 11 2013, 02:18 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
awat tetiba byk troll sini?

I don't think the marine force will be on their own branch,
on my opinion this will be a small dedicated amphibious combatant force under the navy maybe with the strength of a brigade!

I do think that the PARA should be a division by now, as they are the jack of all trade!
Tirek
post Oct 11 2013, 02:29 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
49 posts

Joined: Jun 2013
tadi baru baca pasal china da mengatasi US sebagai biggest net importer in the world...

data terbaru pada bulan september da mengesahkan perkara ni...

so, adakah ini akan mengubah ke"aggresif"an china terhadap tuntutan di laut china selatan ?
TSyinchet
post Oct 11 2013, 02:34 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 11 2013, 02:18 PM)
awat tetiba byk troll sini?

I don't think the marine force will be on their own branch,
on my opinion this will be a small dedicated amphibious combatant force under the navy maybe with the strength of a brigade!

I do think that the PARA should be a division by now, as they are the jack of all trade!
*
Yup.
I think our kor marine will be similar to our para.
I would interesting on what asset will they be getting.
Hopefully we will have at least 3 battilion at sabah.

Btw a navy base at bintulu ini mesti pasal china.
jiraiya77
post Oct 11 2013, 02:47 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
129 posts

Joined: May 2008
From: White Sand Village
apa kata PAC dibesarkan menjadi satu division.dalam satu division ada 3 briged yang berlainan iaitu briged marine,airborne dan air cav.untuk air cav,,,,,,,heli yang sesuai dan agak murah ialah mil mi-17 kazan
KYPMbangi
post Oct 11 2013, 03:03 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
LST or LHD procurement also gonna follow for the creation of a marine corp
keown83
post Oct 11 2013, 03:09 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
172 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: penang wit love
cerita LPD/MPSS/LHT itu semua macam sudah sejuk..dengar kabar AEW/C punya projek pun kemungkinan akan tangguh untuk beri laluan kepada GBAD punya projek

glad that MRCA project still continue, & i heard PAT said something about attack heli procurement for next project...hmm...
azriel
post Oct 11 2013, 03:24 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
QUOTE
LCS will begin operations in 2018, saya Hishammuddin

Posted on October 11, 2013, Friday

PORT KLANG: Malaysia’s Littoral Combat Ships (LCS) will begin operations in 2018 and will be the main asset of the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN) in safeguarding the country’s waters and sovereignty, said Defence Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein.

He said six LCS will patrol the nation’s waters especially in areas of high economic activity.

At the same time, he said the Defence Ministry will also procure critical assets from countries which have a close relationship with Malaysia in the defence industry.

“Procuring defence assets this way is more cost effective and faster with lower risks as compared to developing an an indigenious (defence) industry,” he told a media group, including from Bernama, that was specially invited to tour two of the ships here yesterday.

The LCS were the KD Kelantan and KD Laksamana Tun Abdul Jamil.

Elaborating further, Hishammuddin said the LCS initiative was a short-term measure to achieve ‘self-reliant’ status in developing the local defence industry and that major development like the LCS by using local companies would continue to be a model for procurement of defence assets for the nation.

He said the ministry was also making efforts to procure important assets like amphibious landing ships, fighter aircraft and tanks.

Meanwhile, he said the ministry was also drawing up plans to further boost the country’s defence capabalities which among others included setting up a marine operations force and building a new RMN base in Bintulu, Sarawak.

As such, Hishammuddin said in Budget 2014, the ministry would try to get a higher allocation to enable the procurement of new assets and equipment as well as upgrading existing assets in all three branches of the armed forces with the priority given to the Eastern Sabah Safety Zone (ESSZONE). — Bernama


source
MilitaryMadness
post Oct 11 2013, 03:26 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,302 posts

Joined: Oct 2010
From: Over your shoulder
QUOTE(usernameINVALID @ Oct 11 2013, 10:04 AM)
so,what would be the purpose of our marines?

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

*
Wow,many trolls here today!

If it's part of their duty,why not?
USMC can also open door for VVIPs.

user posted image


In my opinion a suitable structure for any planned ATM Marine unit is a QRF amphibious unit for special duties, such as landing on enemy beaches and special amphibious reconnaissance under the sole command of the Navy. Sort of like a lite version of PASKAL,but more broad-based in it's duties. So they can help lighten the burden of PASKAL units without replacing them. Sort of like British Royal Marines la,for me they embody the true spirit of special naval infantry units.

What I hate is for the formation of a Naval Infantry system like the USMC nowadays. Now USMC is used way too much as ground infantry,until in my view it's already become a bloated & redundant alternative unit to the US Army & because of this they are viewed more as grunts that lost the USMC elite status. This also creates overlapping responsibilities and unnecessary competition by USMC and US Army for funds, equipment and potential recruits & officer candidates.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Oct 11 2013, 03:44 PM
KYPMbangi
post Oct 11 2013, 03:43 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
Rancak tered nih, last time ATM made big decision was the formation of PAC
Now it's the Marines!
caksz
post Oct 11 2013, 04:30 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
42 posts

Joined: Feb 2010
Brigade size i guess ... 2 LPD will do then.
We got SBS ?
usernameINVALID
post Oct 11 2013, 05:43 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
36 posts

Joined: Feb 2012
QUOTE(jiraiya77 @ Oct 11 2013, 02:47 PM)
apa kata PAC dibesarkan menjadi satu division.dalam satu division ada 3 briged yang berlainan iaitu briged marine,airborne dan air cav.untuk air cav,,,,,,,heli yang sesuai dan agak murah ialah mil mi-17 kazan
*
i support this rather than the formation of a marine corps...a dedicated offensive unit,are we worried bout china?
usernameINVALID
post Oct 11 2013, 05:48 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
36 posts

Joined: Feb 2012
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 11 2013, 01:31 PM)
If you want to troll then goes elsewhere.
Seriously what a stupid question to ask.
A marine corps is for amphibious military operations.
These is a quality we always lacking off.
*
if u referring to me...it a simply honest no bullshit question

other branches are screaming for fundings n the top are thinking about amphibious operations usually associated with offensive capabilities...so,whats the deal?answer that
lucifer_666
post Oct 11 2013, 05:56 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
234 posts

Joined: Oct 2008
QUOTE(usernameINVALID @ Oct 11 2013, 05:48 PM)
if u referring to me...it a simply honest no bullshit question

other branches are screaming for fundings n the top are thinking about amphibious operations usually associated with offensive capabilities...so,whats the deal?answer that
*
to an extent, i do believe its a legitimate question. whereas ive always been wondering on the lack of our marine corp in the past, ive been told that this is due to our defence posture, thus mitigating the need for a dedicated amphibious force. has there been a shift in our approach?

personally, i do agree on the formation of a dedicated amphibious unit due to the nature of our country, being physically separated and our rather long coast-line.

and a tldm base in Bintulu would rather be timely i suppose considering the significant role played by the Bintulu port in our hydrocarbon trade. whereas i do wonder, that should this be a response to possible china's aggression, shouldnt the one in Sabah (Sepanggar TLDM base) suffice? or is this the case of not putting all the eggs in one basket? and has the location in Bintulu decided? or would it be closer to the newly opened industrial area of Samalaju, approximately 30 mins from Bintulu town?

perhaps anyone can explain and clarify more?

This post has been edited by lucifer_666: Oct 11 2013, 05:59 PM
TSyinchet
post Oct 11 2013, 07:08 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(usernameINVALID @ Oct 11 2013, 05:48 PM)
if u referring to me...it a simply honest no bullshit question

other branches are screaming for fundings n the top are thinking about amphibious operations usually associated with offensive capabilities...so,whats the deal?answer that
*
It was due to previous post which i assume it was troll.

The decision to have kor marines were due to current challenges we face terrorist threat have make us establish esszone. In the 1400km of shorelines to cover and thousand of island needed to be look after.
Which means paskal were not able to cope at it with limitation of its menpower.
Our marine kor should similar to our para.
With our limited fund we should look at our priority wisely.
usernameINVALID
post Oct 11 2013, 07:23 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
36 posts

Joined: Feb 2012
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 11 2013, 07:08 PM)
It was due to previous post which i assume it was troll.

The decision to have kor marines were due to current challenges we face terrorist threat have make us establish esszone. In the 1400km of shorelines to cover and thousand of island needed to be look after.
Which means paskal were not able to cope at it with limitation of its menpower.
Our marine kor should similar to our para.
With our limited fund we should look at our priority wisely.
*
that being said,shouldn't the forces focus on surveillance first n foremost...iinm they still dont have any dedicated platform to cover surveillance on that vast areas

heck,even a fleet of all weather-capable drones is a good start coupled with a few squadron of good interceptor

just my 2sen tho
TSyinchet
post Oct 11 2013, 07:37 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(usernameINVALID @ Oct 11 2013, 07:23 PM)
that being said,shouldn't the forces focus on surveillance first n foremost...iinm they still dont have any dedicated platform to cover surveillance on that vast areas

heck,even a fleet of all weather-capable drones is a good start coupled with a few squadron of good interceptor

just my 2sen tho
*
You need response team to go there.
What the use of the drone or any surveillance asset if you dun have response team to neutralize the threat
usernameINVALID
post Oct 11 2013, 07:40 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
36 posts

Joined: Feb 2012
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 11 2013, 07:37 PM)
You need response team to go there.
What the use of the drone or any surveillance asset if you dun have response team to neutralize the threat
*
vice versa hence good interceptor

its in the past but do correct me,the recent military op can be averted if they had been intercepted at sea
TSyinchet
post Oct 11 2013, 07:50 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(usernameINVALID @ Oct 11 2013, 07:40 PM)
vice versa hence good interceptor

its in the past but do correct me,the recent military op can be averted if they had been intercepted at sea
*
Right now we are going for the direction.
With new surveillance asset to cover most of the blind spots and building more base for mmea, navy, army and establishment of kor marine to ensure fast repsonse time to neutralize all possible threat.
It is not going to cheaps.
KYPMbangi
post Oct 11 2013, 09:51 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(jiraiya77 @ Oct 11 2013, 02:47 PM)
apa kata PAC dibesarkan menjadi satu division.dalam satu division ada 3 briged yang berlainan iaitu briged marine,airborne dan air cav
*
This is sensible, elements of para already trained for amphibious operation for quite some time.

Eksais Belangkas 2011
QUOTE
user posted image

user posted image

[Minda Pertahanan]
xtemujin
post Oct 12 2013, 10:26 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
318 posts

Joined: Nov 2009
From: Singapura, Singapore
Nice videos of the Afghanistan army and police.

http://vimeo.com/user19821173
heavyduty
post Oct 12 2013, 11:09 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
127 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 11 2013, 02:18 PM)
awat tetiba byk troll sini?

I don't think the marine force will be on their own branch,
on is will be a small dedicated amphibious combatant force under the navy maybe with the strength of a brigade!

I do think that the PARA should be a division by now, as they are the jack of all trade!
*
Manpower nak cari mana nak stand division baru? Support assets bai..

PAC should be expanded not 10th para. A division would defeat the original purpose of the para

Btw, what is up with people's obsession with the 10th para brigade. Every time there's a job that people think are special(amphibious operations, air assault, etc) mesti 10th Para eventhough RMR and RRR can do the same job just as good or even better. Najib nak pergi tandas pun nak 10th para teman.


atreyuangel
post Oct 12 2013, 11:22 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(heavyduty @ Oct 12 2013, 11:09 AM)
Manpower nak cari mana nak stand division baru? Support assets bai..

PAC should be expanded not 10th para. A division would defeat the original purpose of the para

Btw, what is up with people's obsession with the 10th para brigade. Every time there's a job that people think are special(amphibious operations, air assault, etc) mesti 10th Para eventhough RMR and RRR can do the same job just as good or even better. Najib nak pergi tandas pun nak 10th para teman.
*
ni TD nak bukak lagi satu Division baru nih!
hahaha
LTZ
post Oct 12 2013, 11:26 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
36 posts

Joined: Sep 2013
I support!!!
meedoot
post Oct 12 2013, 12:46 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
3 posts

Joined: Nov 2012
A notional combat suit for a future U.S. Armuy soldier. U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM) believes that innovation between industry can accelerate the introduction of leap-forward capabilities embodied in a tactical combat outfit for a future soldier. U.S. Army photo by Conrad Johnson, RDECOM Public Affairs

user posted image

U.S. Army Sgt. 1st Class Matthew Oliver showcases an example of what a soldier may look like in the year 2032 at the Chicago Auto Show, Feb. 14, 2012. U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM) issued an RFI for a Tactical Assault Light Operator Suit (TALOS) that has the potential to make 2032 happen in 2013. U.S. Army photo by Anthony Taylor, 85th Support Command Public Affairs Office

user posted image

robocop ?? blink.gif
kerolzarmyfanboy
post Oct 12 2013, 04:25 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
575 posts

Joined: Feb 2013
QUOTE(meedoot @ Oct 12 2013, 12:46 PM)
A notional combat suit for a future U.S. Armuy soldier. U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM) believes that innovation between industry can accelerate the introduction of leap-forward capabilities embodied in a tactical combat outfit for a future soldier. U.S. Army photo by Conrad Johnson, RDECOM Public Affairs

user posted image

U.S. Army Sgt. 1st Class Matthew Oliver showcases an example of what a soldier may look like in the year 2032 at the Chicago Auto Show, Feb. 14, 2012. U.S. Special Operations Command (SOCOM) issued an RFI for a Tactical Assault Light Operator Suit (TALOS) that has the potential to make 2032 happen in 2013. U.S. Army photo by Anthony Taylor, 85th Support Command Public Affairs Office

user posted image

robocop ??  blink.gif
*
i'm seeing ghost recon and black ops II here~~ rclxm9.gif
HangPC2
post Oct 13 2013, 04:05 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MobPpJNdth4
ET-Force
post Oct 14 2013, 05:56 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
214 posts

Joined: Mar 2011
I saw one Picture regarding Kedah-class OPV.

Does it really comes with Exocet and RIM-116RAM?

Surfed few wiki sites, all said it did not comes with both of the armanent above.
KYPMbangi
post Oct 14 2013, 06:24 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 14 2013, 05:56 AM)
I saw one Picture regarding Kedah-class OPV.

Does it really comes with Exocet and RIM-116RAM?

Surfed few wiki sites, all said it did not comes with both of the armanent above.
*
Not yet.

It's fitted for but not with, means if TLDM got the funds needed they will install it.
The meko modular design already allocate the space, system and software needed for those missile upgrade.

user posted image
LTZ
post Oct 14 2013, 08:15 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
36 posts

Joined: Sep 2013
I watched a documentary in CNN about mogadishu after 20 yrs, two APC condor still there...
atreyuangel
post Oct 14 2013, 11:16 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(LTZ @ Oct 14 2013, 08:15 AM)
I watched a documentary in CNN about mogadishu after 20 yrs, two APC condor still there...
*
The decision to blow the 2 condor is coming from the the General Aboo Samah himself,
when he give the order to the ATGM team to blow it up, the US commander was looking at each other
they said that they would not have the guts to carried out critical order such order without any authorization from Pentagon even though it was the best thing to do
cks2k2
post Oct 14 2013, 11:33 AM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 14 2013, 11:16 AM)
The decision to blow the 2 condor is coming from the the General Aboo Samah himself,
when he give the order to the ATGM team to blow it up, the US commander was looking at each other
they said that they would not have the guts to carried out  critical order such order without any authorization from Pentagon even though it was the best thing to do
*
isn't is SOP for americans to blow their assets up to prevent it falling into enemy hands?
i.e. the american spy plane in china incident
stealth choppers in bin laden raid
atreyuangel
post Oct 14 2013, 12:04 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 14 2013, 11:33 AM)
isn't is SOP for americans to blow their assets up to prevent it falling into enemy hands?
i.e. the american spy plane in china incident
stealth choppers in bin laden raid
*
they need a proper authority from pentagon to do this
while Gen Aboo Samah order the codor to be immobilize even without notifying KL first!

remember the apache shot down by the farmer in Iraq,
the chopper was blown up eventually but after 48 hours it was down
zimhibikie
post Oct 14 2013, 12:29 PM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(heavyduty @ Oct 12 2013, 11:09 AM)
Btw, what is up with people's obsession with the 10th para brigade. Every time there's a job that people think are special(amphibious operations, air assault, etc) mesti 10th Para eventhough RMR and RRR can do the same job just as good or even better. Najib nak pergi tandas pun nak 10th para teman.
*
Well, thats what they are paid and trained to do, being the first armed response team to any critical situation. While RAMD/RRD can also do the same, they are more towards the main force after 10 Brigade have secure key military positions...

dunno about 10 Brigade teman Najib pi tandas tho tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif

QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 14 2013, 05:56 AM)
I saw one Picture regarding Kedah-class OPV.

Does it really comes with Exocet and RIM-116RAM?

Surfed few wiki sites, all said it did not comes with both of the armanent above.
*
Nope, it was proposed. Maybe it will be fully armed once the weapon systems for the Gowind-class has been finalised

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 14 2013, 11:16 AM)
The decision to blow the 2 condor is coming from the the General Aboo Samah himself,
when he give the order to the ATGM team to blow it up, the US commander was looking at each other
they said that they would not have the guts to carried out  critical order such order without any authorization from Pentagon even though it was the best thing to do
*
Isnt such decision like blowing up downed key assets are up to the CO of the battlefield/operation?

This post has been edited by zimhibikie: Oct 14 2013, 12:30 PM
G3-X
post Oct 14 2013, 12:44 PM

G Three X
****
Senior Member
635 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Thành phố Hồ Chí Minh, Việt Nam
Johor Navy


user posted image
G3-X
post Oct 14 2013, 01:06 PM

G Three X
****
Senior Member
635 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Thành phố Hồ Chí Minh, Việt Nam
QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 11 2013, 09:51 PM)
This is sensible, elements of para already trained for amphibious operation for quite some time.

Eksais Belangkas 2011




user posted image

user posted image




*
wow notworthy.gif
atreyuangel
post Oct 14 2013, 01:08 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 14 2013, 12:29 PM)
Well, thats what they are paid and trained to do, being the first armed response team to any critical situation. While RAMD/RRD can also do the same, they are more towards the main force after 10 Brigade have secure key military positions...

dunno about 10 Brigade teman Najib pi tandas tho  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
Nope, it was proposed. Maybe it will be fully armed once the weapon systems for the Gowind-class has been finalised
Isnt such decision like blowing up downed key assets are up to the CO of the battlefield/operation?
*
That I don't know,
But at the ops center at the stadium where our Malbatt was stationed,
the US officer was stun with the swift decision to send the ATGM to destroy the condor by Aboo Samah
IINM one of them even asked him if he want to inform KL first and he said no that this is critical and time sensitive.
kerolzarmyfanboy
post Oct 14 2013, 01:37 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
575 posts

Joined: Feb 2013
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 14 2013, 01:08 PM)
That I don't know,
But at the ops center at the stadium where our Malbatt was stationed,
the US officer was stun with the swift decision to send the ATGM to destroy the condor by Aboo Samah
IINM one of them even asked him if he want to inform KL first and he said no that this is critical and time sensitive.
*
thats why i like Malaysian generals..fast thinkers and first to act.. notworthy.gif
zimhibikie
post Oct 14 2013, 02:31 PM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 14 2013, 01:08 PM)
That I don't know,
But at the ops center at the stadium where our Malbatt was stationed,
the US officer was stun with the swift decision to send the ATGM to destroy the condor by Aboo Samah
IINM one of them even asked him if he want to inform KL first and he said no that this is critical and time sensitive.
*
the CO, Gen Aboo Samah has the authority to destroy the Condor, tho didnt some pepol from Treasury later questioned why he didnt try to retrieve the Condors and repair it back? tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
TSyinchet
post Oct 14 2013, 02:50 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
We could be looking into 2 patrol vessel worth rm1bil
25 fast intercept craft worth rm330mil.
aztechx
post Oct 14 2013, 06:18 PM

~Aviation Freak~
*******
Senior Member
3,854 posts

Joined: Mar 2006
Just had a rant on how painful it is to see the majority of malaysians questioning everything they are fed with especially those related to defense procurement. And how they belittle our armed forces laughing and questioning their capabilities. Rememeber how some reacted to lahad datu? This is a disease to our so called rakyat. To be honest we are wide open to foreign interferance with such mentality here. Ive run out of words here. And i feel helpless in trying to chnage this mentality even among my friends
thpace
post Oct 14 2013, 07:56 PM

Rising Star
******
Senior Member
1,210 posts

Joined: Aug 2011
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 14 2013, 11:16 AM)
The decision to blow the 2 condor is coming from the the General Aboo Samah himself,
when he give the order to the ATGM team to blow it up, the US commander was looking at each other
they said that they would not have the guts to carried out  critical order such order without any authorization from Pentagon even though it was the best thing to do
*
what was in the condor until need to be blowed up?

or was it to prevent the apc from being repaired and used by the somalis militant?

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 14 2013, 01:08 PM)
That I don't know,
But at the ops center at the stadium where our Malbatt was stationed,
the US officer was stun with the swift decision to send the ATGM to destroy the condor by Aboo Samah
IINM one of them even asked him if he want to inform KL first and he said no that this is critical and time sensitive.
*
sorry but what is ATGM?
KYPMbangi
post Oct 14 2013, 08:07 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
39 posts

Joined: Jun 2008
QUOTE(thpace @ Oct 14 2013, 07:56 PM)
what was in the condor until need to be blowed up?

or was it to prevent the apc from being repaired and used by the somalis militant?
sorry but what is ATGM?
*
The rebels could use it as a makeshift strongpoint, and they also can use the turret weapons
Standard sop better destroy the condor b4 the enemy can use it against us
asyraff88kmp
post Oct 14 2013, 08:14 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
17 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: The Assassin's HQ
ATGM = anti tank guided missile

SOP is denying the enemy to use anything that we left behind that could be used to their advantages
atreyuangel
post Oct 14 2013, 08:22 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(thpace @ Oct 14 2013, 07:56 PM)
what was in the condor until need to be blowed up?

or was it to prevent the apc from being repaired and used by the somalis militant?
sorry but what is ATGM?
*
iinm the condor that immobalize 1 is due to rpg while the other is due to suspension problem
apart from that both still can be used (thier turret, weapon, engine)
so to make sure that the weapon is not used by the wrong side it is better to destroy the APC

ATGM is a Anti Tank Guided Missile team, team that specialize to attack armored vehicle!
ayanami_tard
post Oct 14 2013, 08:32 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
QUOTE(aztechx @ Oct 14 2013, 07:18 PM)
Just had a rant on how painful it is to see the majority of malaysians questioning everything they are fed with especially those related to defense procurement. And how they belittle our armed forces laughing and questioning their capabilities. Rememeber how some reacted to lahad datu? This is a disease to our so called rakyat. To be honest we are wide open to foreign interferance with such mentality here. Ive run out of words here. And i feel helpless in trying to chnage this mentality even among my friends
*
to make it worse politician also join in pandai-pandai nk mengajar top brass on how to run military procedure. mcm skang ne la. warning shot to scare the bad guy la, tembak kaki la,etcetc.... i can guarantee 90 percent of the time that they get them ideas from hollywood film
ayanami_tard
post Oct 14 2013, 08:37 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
btw do we have atgm back then (somalia crisis in the middle of 90s)?

i thought we only have carl gustav, LAW and M40 RCL. none of them are guided. unless unker sam lend us some
heavyduty
post Oct 14 2013, 11:03 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
127 posts

Joined: Aug 2010

QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Oct 14 2013, 01:37 PM)
thats why i like Malaysian generals..fast thinkers and first to act..  notworthy.gif
*
Same Can't be said about the ex home minister and current defence minister. Lahad Datu won't be so fail if he wasn't such a *****

QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Oct 14 2013, 08:37 PM)
btw do we have atgm back then (somalia crisis in the middle of 90s)?

i thought we only have carl gustav, LAW and M40 RCL. none of them are guided. unless unker sam lend us some
*

Cobras and AC-130 were in the air
atreyuangel
post Oct 15 2013, 12:22 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Oct 14 2013, 08:37 PM)
btw do we have atgm back then (somalia crisis in the middle of 90s)?

i thought we only have carl gustav, LAW and M40 RCL. none of them are guided. unless unker sam lend us some
*
the atgm team is the US army
atreyuangel
post Oct 15 2013, 12:34 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Oct 14 2013, 01:37 PM)
thats why i like Malaysian generals..fast thinkers and first to act..  notworthy.gif
*
Dapat macam si Gh**ir tu tak guna jugak
bila tak favour merajuk, buat statement ntah hapa2, walhal kerja tak pandai
mengipas je tau! mad.gif
bf48qo
post Oct 15 2013, 02:59 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
32 posts

Joined: Oct 2009
guys, US top brass kene fire non stop? Will this have any effect?

http://youtu.be/YIqbFBmOZ2c
zimhibikie
post Oct 15 2013, 07:36 AM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(aztechx @ Oct 14 2013, 06:18 PM)
Just had a rant on how painful it is to see the majority of malaysians questioning everything they are fed with especially those related to defense procurement. And how they belittle our armed forces laughing and questioning their capabilities. Rememeber how some reacted to lahad datu? This is a disease to our so called rakyat. To be honest we are wide open to foreign interferance with such mentality here. Ive run out of words here. And i feel helpless in trying to chnage this mentality even among my friends
*
if defense procurement is done transparently and without any songlaping, not many will question..but reality is that MinDef is lubok for songlaping
souless223
post Oct 15 2013, 03:43 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
60 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 14 2013, 02:50 PM)
We could be looking into 2 patrol vessel worth rm1bil
25 fast intercept craft worth rm330mil.
*
patrol vessel?
how does one look like?
usernameINVALID
post Oct 15 2013, 03:54 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
36 posts

Joined: Feb 2012
QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 15 2013, 07:36 AM)
if defense procurement is done transparently and without any songlaping, not many will question..but reality is that MinDef is lubok for songlaping
*
owh penjaga stor,owh penjaga stor
ko tgk komander ko men golf di sponsor
ko pun ngendeng nak skit


hikayat salju yang amat sejuk
TSyinchet
post Oct 15 2013, 04:39 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(souless223 @ Oct 15 2013, 03:43 PM)
patrol vessel?
how does one look like?
*
Dunno yet.
I think it could be base on samudera class
TSyinchet
post Oct 15 2013, 04:58 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(zimhibikie @ Oct 15 2013, 07:36 AM)
if defense procurement is done transparently and without any songlaping, not many will question..but reality is that MinDef is lubok for songlaping
*
It need political will to do that.
Btw mindef small lubok emas the big 1 would be moh and moe far more worst.

Anyway the whole procurement should be revamp.
The whole contract must be disclose but the mindef can censor off some national security sensitive parts.
Also there should be a laws to stop or void any procurement deal by competitors for unfair competitions or whistleblower if the procurement is corrupted.
souless223
post Oct 15 2013, 04:58 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
60 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 15 2013, 04:39 PM)
Dunno yet.
I think it could be base on samudera class
*
oh alright but im sure and improved version?
TSyinchet
post Oct 15 2013, 05:05 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(souless223 @ Oct 15 2013, 04:58 PM)
oh alright but im sure and improved version?
*
If it is samudera class
Lots of changes have to made as the current 1 were design for training purposes.
TSyinchet
post Oct 15 2013, 05:17 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
What do you think if we go for visby class usd200mil each.
kerolzarmyfanboy
post Oct 15 2013, 07:42 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
575 posts

Joined: Feb 2013
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 15 2013, 05:17 PM)
What do you think if we go for visby class usd200mil each.
*
visby is lighter than gowind and looks more stealthier due to its shape..but its armanent seem rather less than gowind..n correct me if i'm wrong, it doesn't have any SAM on it??
TSyinchet
post Oct 15 2013, 08:12 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Oct 15 2013, 07:42 PM)
visby is lighter than gowind and looks more stealthier due to its shape..but its armanent seem rather less than gowind..n correct me if i'm wrong, it doesn't have any SAM on it??
*
Due to budget constraint SAM were not installed.
Visby is below 900tons, way lighter even compare to samudera class

This post has been edited by yinchet: Oct 15 2013, 08:17 PM
HangPC2
post Oct 15 2013, 08:18 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Looking Hot in Uniform : Japan Votes for Its Sexiest Sailors




By Kirk Spitzer / Tokyo Oct. 10, 2013




user posted image

user posted image

user posted image





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SUEVf6I-NA



Contest is a bid to boost recruitment to the nation's self-defense forces at a time of rising regional tensions


Amid aggressive territorial demands from China and growing debate over its pacifist constitution, Japan’s Maritime Self Defense Force knows just what it needs : a popularity contest.

The JMSDF has launched an online contest to pick the most popular male and female member of the naval service. Contestants include a sailor who boards suspected pirate ships off the coast of Somalia and the pilot of a patrol plane cruising the contested East China Sea.

Japan’s armed services have risen dramatically in public opinion polls since the earthquake and tsunami in northeast Japan in 2011. The yearlong standoff with China over remote, uninhabited islands has boosted the naval service’s standing, as well.

Nonetheless, the Japanese public remains largely pacifist and the self-defense forces face continuing challenges to meet recruiting goals.


“ Young people in Japan have a lot of options, and they don’t know much about the JMSDF, ” says Lt. Cdr. Takashi Nobukuni, a JMSDF spokesman. “ We’re hoping they will look at this and think, ‘That’s something I’d like to do. ’'


The “ Mr. & Ms. JMSDF ” contest is aimed squarely at a young, technologically adept audience. Voters are asked to download a smart-phone app with professionally produced video profiles of each candidate and an interactive quiz about the JMSDF.

The six candidates were selected by JMSDF staff. No surprise, then, that all are relatively young and photogenic, with service occupations that would appear challenging or adventurous.

In addition to the P-3C pilot and boarding-crew member, the candidates include a submarine rescue diver, airborne electronics specialist, air traffic controller and shipboard navigator.

The app has been downloaded more than 10,000 times since it launched last month, making it one of the most popular in Japan. More than 100,000 votes have been cast. The submarine diver (male) and ship navigator (female) lead each category.

For all its pacifist leanings, Japan maintains a formidable military. Its defense budget is the world’s fifth or sixth largest (depending on exchange rates and other factors). With more than 100 surface warships and close ties to the U.S. Navy, the JMSDF is considered among the top naval forces in the world.

Yet, Japan is in the midst of a wrenching debate over security issues. China’s defense budget has been rising for more than a decade and is more than double that of Japan. Beijing is pressing claims to a group of remote islands in the East China Sea, called Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, and has begun operating modern warships close to Japan’s main islands.

Prime Minister Abe wants to boost Japan’s defense budget, ease restraints on the self-defense forces and amend the constitution’s war-renouncing Article 9. But Abe’s first nine months in office have been devoted largely to economic issues, and opinion polls show tenuous public support for his defense agenda.

“ There is more public awareness and acceptance of the self-defense forces than in the past due to the tensions with North Korea and China and the tsunami relief effort. But it’s still fairly low, and [the Japanese people] don’t want constitutional change or a vastly greater force,” says Robert Dujarric, director of the Institute of Contemporary Asian Studies, at Temple University, in Tokyo.

The “ Mr. & Ms. JMSDF ” contest was inspired by a JMSDF humanitarian assistance operation in the Philippines last year. Profiles of several JMSDF members were posted on the JMSDF website and generated thousands of generally positive comments in Japan’s busy social media. The contest winner will be featured in a lengthy video posted on the JMSDF website and social media and may take part in recruiting and public awareness campaigns.

If the contest is successful it could help reverse the lack of prestige that has plagued military service throughout Japan’s post-war period. But there could be another deterrent, says Dujarric : “ It’s hard work. ”



Sources : http://world.time.com/
azriel
post Oct 15 2013, 08:24 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
Thai Army soldiers in Ukraine to begin training to operate their new T-84 Oplot-M main battle tanks.

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

source
HangPC2
post Oct 15 2013, 08:35 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
China



PLA




user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image



This post has been edited by HangPC2: Oct 15 2013, 08:48 PM
atreyuangel
post Oct 15 2013, 08:55 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 15 2013, 05:17 PM)
What do you think if we go for visby class usd200mil each.
*
another corvette?
I rather go for Hamina, can sekaligus repalce the FAC

ps: if you got this contract dont forget to employ me, this is my idea hehehe brows.gif icon_idea.gif
HangPC2
post Oct 15 2013, 08:56 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Russia to offer Brazil stake in future Pak-Fa




Monday, 14 October 2013



A Russian military delegation about to visit Brazil will offer joint development of a fifth-generation combat aircraft " of the type " of its own most newest fighter to Brazilian defense officials, a member of the delegation told RIA Novosti Monday.

A Russian military delegation about to visit Brazil will offer joint development of a fifth-generation combat aircraft “ of the type ” of its own most newest fighter to Brazilian defense officials, a member of the delegation told RIA Novosti Monday.

The proposal appears to be in support of an unsolicited offer by Russia’s combat aircraft maker Sukhoi of its Su-35 fighter, that has been struck off Brazil’s shortlist for its air force’s F-X2 tender for the purchase of 36 fighter jets worth $4 billion. Russia is still hoping to sell the Su-35s or similar aircraft to Brazil outside the framework of that tender, sweetening the deal with the new proposal.


“ During the talks in Brazil, we are ready to offer our partners deliveries of ready-for-sale advanced aircraft like the Su-35, but also joint development of a next-generation [combat] aircraft of the T-50 type, ” the delegation source said.


The T-50 or PAK-FA, which will make up the core of Russia's future fighter fleet, is a multirole warplane featuring " stealth " technology, " super-maneuverability, super-cruise capability, and advanced avionics including an active electronically scanned array radar, according to its designer Sukhoi.

In late April, President Vladimir Putin said the first T-50 would enter service with Russia’s armed forces in 2016.
Russia and India are already developing a derivative of T-50 for the Indian Air Force. According to executives from India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), that will build the plane, the two sides completed the preliminary design of the aircraft, tentatively dubbed FGFA, earlier this year and are now negotiating a detailed design contract.

The F-X2 tender is Brazil’s second attempt to find a replacement for its ageing Northrop F-5 and Dassault Mirage fighters. An earlier tender, F-X, was cancelled in 2005 due to lack of funding.

Three contenders officially remain in the running – the Swedish SAAB Gripen NG, French Dassault Rafale and US Boeing FA-18E/F Super Hornet. According to Defense Industry Daily, the FA-18E/F was close to winning the deal last month, but revelations that the United States National Security Agency had spied on the Brazilian presidential office put the deal on hold. Brazil’s Poder Aero magazine, citing local officials, says Brazil’s President Dilma Rousseff decided late last month to postpone the tender until 2015, after next year’s elections.

A Russian delegation led by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, will visit Brazil and Peru on October 14-17 to promote sales of Russian weaponry to those countries. It includes Alexander Fomin, head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) and Anatoly Isaikin, head of the arms exports monopoly Rosobornexport.



Sources : http://www.defencenews.in
HangPC2
post Oct 15 2013, 09:03 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
China



PLA



user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
HangPC2
post Oct 15 2013, 09:04 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
PAP



user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
HangPC2
post Oct 15 2013, 09:14 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
PLAAF & PLAN In 1960s



user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
HangPC2
post Oct 15 2013, 09:32 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Boeing builds A-10 wings for U.S. Air Force to help keep aircraft operating through 2035




September 5, 2013
By Courtney Howard



ST. LOUIS, 5 Sept. 2013. Boeing (NYSE:BA) won a follow-on order from U.S. Air Force officials to deliver 56 replacement wings for the organization’s A-10 Thunderbolt II aircraft, helping to increase mission readiness and decrease maintenance costs.

The A-10 Thunderbolt II, also known as the Warthog, is a twin-engine, single-seat aircraft that provides close-air support of ground forces and can be used against all ground targets, including tanks and other armored vehicles. The aircraft is currently supporting operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Boeing is on contract to build up to 242 wings at its plant in Macon, Ga. Refitting the fleet with new wings will improve the mission availability of A-10s by an estimated 4 percent and will help save the Air Force an estimated $1.3 billion in maintenance costs during the next 30 years, according to a spokesperson.

This latest order is valued at $212 million. Including this agreement, the Air Force has ordered 173 wings. The efforts of Boeing, its suppliers, and the Air Force will allow the A-10 fleet to operate into 2035, adds the spokesperson.




Sources : http://www.avionics-intelligence.com
SUSrazhar
post Oct 15 2013, 09:47 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
242 posts

Joined: Jun 2005
QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Oct 15 2013, 09:04 PM)
PAP
user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
*
lobai,yang korea utara ada tak? drool.gif
HangPC2
post Oct 15 2013, 10:14 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
Iran To Launch 3 Satellites in 6 Months – TV





03:22 11/10/2013



MOSCOW, October 11 (RIA Novosti) – Iran plans to launch three domestically designed satellites in six months, a high-ranking Iranian aerospace official told the country’s English-language Press TV on Thursday.

Deputy head of Iran Space Agency (ISA), Hamid Fazeli, said that three satellites – Tadbir, Nahid and Sharif Sat – will be delivered to orbit before the current Iranian calendar year ends on March 20, 2014.

Fazeli also expressed hope that the Pishgam-2 (Pioneer-2) bio-capsule with a living creature on board, will travel into space atop a domestically-produced rocket soon.

Iran launched its first domestically-produced satellite Omid (Hope) in 2009, an endeavor that made it the ninth country with the ability to launch satellites. A year later, the country launched a Kavoshagar-3 rocket that delivered a rat, two turtles and a worm into space.

In late January Iran reportedly launched a bio-capsule with a live monkey into space, which reached an altitude of more than 120 kilometers (74.5 miles) and returned to Earth safely.




Sources : http://en.ria.ru
TSyinchet
post Oct 15 2013, 10:18 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 15 2013, 08:55 PM)
another corvette?
I rather go for Hamina, can sekaligus repalce the FAC

ps: if you got this contract dont forget to employ me, this is my idea hehehe  brows.gif  icon_idea.gif
*
Tldm memang nak replacr fac.
But not much news were out.
All i know there is some news on pv and fic.
25 fic were for mmea.
Not sure about pv though. Tapi pv budget kat rm1bil for 2 units

As for contact pak cik dw lagi best.
kerolzarmyfanboy
post Oct 15 2013, 10:26 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
575 posts

Joined: Feb 2013
anyone else giggled a bit when TV3 Buletin Utama said "KD Kelantan diiktiraf sbg antara kapal peronda terbaik dunia."? hehe i dun meant to memperlekehkan TLDM n their sailors..hahaha not long ago they even said Adnan is a tank..lol..somebody plz fire these tv3 reporters.. biggrin.gif
kerolzarmyfanboy
post Oct 15 2013, 10:32 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
575 posts

Joined: Feb 2013
QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Oct 15 2013, 09:03 PM)
China
PLA
user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
*
dem bewbs~~ i bet their COs told these girls to wear push-up bra during parade n photo session.. tongue.gif
minizian
post Oct 15 2013, 10:38 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,074 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Verdun
My question about body guard on former Pm or DPM is not answered sad.gif
HangPC2
post Oct 16 2013, 12:24 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
QUOTE(razhar @ Oct 15 2013, 09:47 PM)
lobai,yang korea utara ada tak? drool.gif
*
nanti post whistling.gif
heavyduty
post Oct 16 2013, 01:04 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
127 posts

Joined: Aug 2010
QUOTE(minizian @ Oct 15 2013, 10:38 PM)
My question about body guard on former Pm or DPM is not answered sad.gif
*


Bodyguards for the PM and DPM are elements from PDRM UTK . when they leave office they are no longer provided bodyguards so people like Mahathir hire bodyguards from private companies

So no. They do not retain the same people.
atreyuangel
post Oct 16 2013, 01:55 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
406 posts

Joined: Jun 2007
From: 3°50'**.**"N - 103°16'**.**"E
QUOTE(minizian @ Oct 11 2013, 12:43 AM)
I am curious if former PM or DPM still escorted by same team as the one that provided by to current PM/DPM or they used their own escort?
*
nope, usually after they retire they have own team of former UTK hire as their personal bodyguard

QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 15 2013, 10:18 PM)
Tldm memang nak replacr fac.
But not much news were out.
All i know there is some news on pv and fic.
25 fic were for mmea.
Not sure about pv though. Tapi pv budget kat rm1bil for 2 units

As for contact pak cik dw lagi best.
*
Pak Cik DW bousted jugak
Yinchet kan Bintara Defense brows.gif

QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Oct 15 2013, 10:26 PM)
anyone else giggled a bit when TV3 Buletin Utama said "KD Kelantan diiktiraf sbg antara kapal peronda terbaik dunia."? hehe i dun meant to memperlekehkan TLDM n their sailors..hahaha not long ago they even said Adnan is a tank..lol..somebody plz fire these tv3 reporters.. biggrin.gif
*
Terbaik I dunno, but one of the most modern ship in the world maybe
as they used German tech laugh.gif
that huge ship can be operated by only 30+ crew
ET-Force
post Oct 16 2013, 04:17 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
214 posts

Joined: Mar 2011
@yinchet

2~3 days ago i got replied in the SGPV thread.

It's about the NGPV potential SSM. Is it possible TLDM got other option as well?
Why dont just stick with Exocet?
TSyinchet
post Oct 16 2013, 04:41 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 04:17 AM)
@yinchet

2~3 days ago i got replied in the SGPV thread.

It's about the NGPV potential SSM. Is it possible TLDM got other option as well?
Why dont just stick with Exocet?
*
Well the tldm wanted to use nsm.
But boustead prefer exocet.
exocet ssm will be possible retired by 2020 depeding on the new ssm missile development.
The more likely reason tldm felt that nsm is a much more capable ssm.
If tldm goes for nsm in sgpv will be going for the same if kedah class been armed. Judging from hisapmudin speech he is looking towards arming kedah class.
Not sure if he able to dig some money for its.

This post has been edited by yinchet: Oct 16 2013, 04:43 AM
ET-Force
post Oct 16 2013, 05:02 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
214 posts

Joined: Mar 2011
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 16 2013, 04:41 AM)
Well the tldm wanted to use nsm.
But boustead prefer exocet.
exocet ssm will be possible retired by 2020 depeding on the new ssm missile development.
The more likely reason tldm felt that nsm is a much more capable ssm.
If tldm goes for nsm in sgpv will be going for the same if kedah class been armed. Judging from hisapmudin speech he is looking towards arming kedah class.
Not sure if he able to dig some money for its.
*
How about harpoon? US dont want to sell to us?
Or it is going to retired too?
Btw I prefer if our TLDM use the same armanent like what JMSDF did to their ships.
But maybe it is hard right?
TSyinchet
post Oct 16 2013, 05:53 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 05:02 AM)
How about harpoon? US dont want to sell to us?
Or it is going to retired too?
Btw I prefer if our TLDM use the same armanent like what JMSDF did to their ships.
But maybe it is hard right?
*
We already have harpoon for our f18.
Not sure if our tldm considering it.
I would like our sgpv to be equip with searams and phalanx as ciws.
ET-Force
post Oct 16 2013, 06:29 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
214 posts

Joined: Mar 2011
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 16 2013, 05:53 AM)
We already have harpoon for our f18.
Not sure if our tldm considering it.
I would like our sgpv to be equip with searams and phalanx as ciws.
*
+1 on phalanx ciws.
RIM-116 ram? ESSM alone not enough?
Or it is more cost effective than essm to counter closer threat?
TSyinchet
post Oct 16 2013, 06:43 AM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya
QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 06:29 AM)
+1 on phalanx ciws.
RIM-116 ram? ESSM alone not enough?
Or it is more cost effective than essm to counter closer threat?
*
Cost effective and provide longer range protection compare to phalanx. Searams range ia about 9km.
Good protection against threat like brahmos or any other badass ssm.
Essm would be better of killing aircraft instead than countering missile threat imo.
ET-Force
post Oct 16 2013, 07:37 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
214 posts

Joined: Mar 2011
One more thing, Is tomahawk able to be vertical launched?
I only knew that harpoon can't.
cks2k2
post Oct 16 2013, 08:24 AM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 07:37 AM)
One more thing, Is tomahawk able to be vertical launched?
I only knew that harpoon can't.
*
tomahawk vertical launch
old version - no
new version - yes
ET-Force
post Oct 16 2013, 09:13 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
214 posts

Joined: Mar 2011
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 16 2013, 08:24 AM)
tomahawk vertical launch
old version - no
new version - yes
*
Im surprised. Look how fat the tomahawk is.
cks2k2
post Oct 16 2013, 09:19 AM

...
******
Senior Member
1,966 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: No longer hanging by a NUS
QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 09:13 AM)
Im surprised. Look how fat the tomahawk is.
*
user posted image

sos
zimhibikie
post Oct 16 2013, 10:45 AM

Freak of Nature
*******
Senior Member
2,825 posts

Joined: Jan 2003
From: Harlan County
QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 15 2013, 04:58 PM)
It need political will to do that.
Btw mindef small lubok emas the big 1 would be moh and moe far more worst.

Anyway the whole procurement should be revamp.
The whole contract must be disclose but the mindef can censor off some national security sensitive parts.
Also there should be a laws to stop or void any procurement deal by competitors for unfair competitions or whistleblower if the procurement is corrupted.
*
to me, MinDef better lubok for songlaping since any procurement can be kept secret due to 'national security'. Of coz, some procurement must be kept top secret due to its security nature, but many data can be easily obtain regarding on what type of equipment being installed. For example, the subs procurement, which many songlapers backers argue must not be disclosed to the public, walhal can actually be easily tarced back on what equipment being installed by researching the vendors involved. Only the sensitive parts like data encryption maybe not on the companies' datasheet. So, argument that we publicly say we bought 2 scorpene but also another one in secret is pure crap..

QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 15 2013, 05:05 PM)
If it is samudera class
Lots of changes have to made as the current 1 were design  for training purposes.
*
Samudera class have big potential for converting into patrol vessels, Dun think it would require that much of re-designing..

QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Oct 15 2013, 10:26 PM)
anyone else giggled a bit when TV3 Buletin Utama said "KD Kelantan diiktiraf sbg antara kapal peronda terbaik dunia."? hehe i dun meant to memperlekehkan TLDM n their sailors..hahaha not long ago they even said Adnan is a tank..lol..somebody plz fire these tv3 reporters.. biggrin.gif
*
QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 16 2013, 01:55 AM)
as they used German tech  laugh.gif
that huge ship can be operated by only 30+ crew
*
Once fully armed, Kedah-class would be quite awesome..

QUOTE(ET-Force @ Oct 16 2013, 04:17 AM)
@yinchet

2~3 days ago i got replied in the SGPV thread.

It's about the NGPV potential SSM. Is it possible TLDM got other option as well?
Why dont just stick with Exocet?
*
why not go for air-breathing supersonic anti-ship missiles?
commanderz
post Oct 16 2013, 11:42 AM

On my way
****
Senior Member
676 posts

Joined: Jul 2007
From: Soviet Union
Where the update of US new super air craft carrier?
kerolzarmyfanboy
post Oct 16 2013, 03:30 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
575 posts

Joined: Feb 2013
our NGPV could be the most awesome ships in our navy IF TLDM able to armed those ships with missiles n stuff instead of just two Oto Melara cannon..
ayanami_tard
post Oct 16 2013, 03:39 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
dah namanya patrol boat....

the thing is, if the navy deemed it is necessary to arm them ngpv to the teeth, the vessel is more than capable to be done so. the reason why rmn stick with exocet partly because of the experience and the abundance of them in rmn arsenal. tomahawk isn't that much more capable than exocet, and it is more than capable to deal with regional threat

as for the samudera type vessel, the company that build them said that the design and electronic suite can be adapted into more capable corvette/light frigate. and considering that it can be built within 6 weeks, we can have at least 6 new PV of similar design within 2 years
kerolzarmyfanboy
post Oct 16 2013, 03:45 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
575 posts

Joined: Feb 2013
QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Oct 16 2013, 03:39 PM)
dah namanya patrol boat....

the thing is, if the navy deemed it is necessary to arm them ngpv to the teeth, the vessel is more than capable to be done so. the reason why rmn stick with exocet partly because of the experience and the abundance of them in rmn arsenal. tomahawk isn't that much more capable than exocet, and it is more than capable to deal with regional threat

as for the samudera type vessel, the company that build them said that the design and electronic suite can be adapted into more capable corvette/light frigate. and considering that it can be built within 6 weeks, we can have at least 6 new PV of similar design within  2 years
*
TLDM don't want to consider Brahmos missiles? its performance does looks good on papers.. smile.gif
ayanami_tard
post Oct 16 2013, 03:47 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
how to integrate? i may not sound much but this is the one thing that plagued combat vessels in Thailand and bangladesh
HangPC2
post Oct 16 2013, 07:47 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

user posted image
HangPC2
post Oct 16 2013, 07:48 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
408 posts

Joined: Nov 2006
From: LANGKASUKA مليسيا
QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 16 2013, 09:19 AM)
user posted image

sos
*
ikmal2129
post Oct 16 2013, 10:13 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
67 posts

Joined: Sep 2011
From: Heaven
QUOTE
user posted image

New RMAF plane plays three roles

FLEXIBILITY: Airbus A400M can do the jobs of 3 aircraft
SEVILLA (SPAIN): A RADICAL shift is expected in the way the Royal
Malaysian Airforce (RMAF) approaches military and humanitarian
missions, once it takes delivery of the new Airbus A400M Atlas
aircraft.

The aircraft, dubbed the "next generation airlifter", is to play a pivotal
role in the airforce's operations once it comes into service in two
years.

Airbus Military head of media relations Maggie Bergsma said first of
four aircraft ordered by RMAF was expected to be delivered by the
2015 deadline.

"We are on track and the first delivery for Malaysia is scheduled for
2015. We have launched long-lead items up to MSN33, which includes
two A400Ms for Malaysia. The fourth delivery for the RMAF is
scheduled for 2016," she said.

RMAF had placed an order for the aircraft on Dec 8, 2005.
She said the A400M was expected to change the way military and
humanitarian operations were carried out by RMAF.
Bergsma said this was due to the A400M's ability to perform tasks
that were previously executed by three aircraft.

"The A400M will mark a difference in the way military and
humanitarian missions are approached.
"The versatility of the A400M allows one aircraft to do the job of three
aircraft.

"The A400M can deliver the contents of its bigger payload faster,
further and nearer to where it is needed.

"The RMAF will not only have three aircraft in one with each A400M, it
will also have an aircraft that can do better than these three together.
This is certainly a change. And it is a change for good."

On the question of the difficulty in transition between the RMAF's fleet
of C-130 fleet and the A400M, Bergsma said this would not be a
problem.

"The RMAF was involved in the programme from the start and is fully
participating with the Airbus Military teams to prepare for the delivery
and entry into service."

She said discussions were in place with Malaysia to ensure that all
services needed for the operation of the aircraft were ready in time for
the delivery.

Malaysia joins seven airforces -- Belgium, France, Germany,
Luxembourg, Spain, Turkey, and the United Kingdom -- to have the
A400M in their fleets.

Bergsma said Malaysia, like all of the A400M launch customers, had
been participating in the design and manufacturing of several A400M
secondary composite structural components.

She said Composite Technology Research Malaysia (CTRM) was the
sole source of such components, notably the complete vertical tail
plane leading edge, the main landing gear doors, and access panels on
the wings and horizontal tail plane, plus nacelle fairings.

She said this following the delivery ceremony of the A400M in Airbus
Military's production facility in Sevilla, Spain, on Sunday.

The ceremony was graced by Felipe, Prince of Asturias. Also present
was French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian.
 
http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/new-r...-roles-1.372416
xtemujin
post Oct 17 2013, 01:17 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
318 posts

Joined: Nov 2009
From: Singapura, Singapore
The RMAF A400M will highly be showcased at the 2015 LIMA, Malaysia.
wanvadder
post Oct 17 2013, 06:29 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
94 posts

Joined: Aug 2008
From: Tristram
user posted image

The Syrian war, now in its 31st month, has transformed into a full-blown proxy war.

The conflict not only involves Syria's neighbors and regional powers, but also Western countries and numerous fighters from more than 25 countries.

We've put together a chart to make sense of the major players backing each side and the infighting that has plagued the opposition to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

The side of the Syrian regime is pretty straightforward. Russia has supported them in various forms even before protests began in March 2011.

Iraq has facilitated Iranian supply flights through its territory and placed elite Shia militias under the command of the Qods force (i.e., international wing) of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards (IRGC).

Iran, seeking to protect the Shia crescent that extends from Tehran to Beirut, has been sending troops from its Revolutionary Guards and from its Lebanese proxy Hezbollah while also training Shia militias from Syria, Iraq, and elsewhere. Iranian commanders are increasingly calling the shots on the ground.

Part of Assad's strategy seemingly involved pulling out of northern towns to allow Kurdish fighters to take over, thereby weakening his Sunni enemies.

But some Kurds have chosen to fight the Syrian Arab Army alongside the Free Syrian Army (FSA), and the Kurdish National Council (KNC) formally joined the Western-backed Syrian National Coalition (SNC) in August.

Kurdish fighters affiliated with the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD), meanwhile, have spent much of their time recently fighting al-Qaeda fighters and other Islamic rebels in the north of the country.

After the al-Qaeda-affiliated Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) overran FSA rebels in the town of Azaz near the Turkish border, Kurdish fighters fought ISIS with the ousted rebels. (Jabhat al-Nusra is considered a separate al-Qaeda affiliate within Syria.)

Interestingly, though it is not listed on the graphic, many in the opposition believe that the Syrian regime have helped bolstered al-Qaeda's presence in Syria to counter the less radical rebels.

Most of the largest Islamist factions recently denounced the SNC and formed Jaish al-Islam ("the Army of Islam") with the blessing of Saudi Arabia. The SNC-affiliated Free Syrian Army was dealt a significant blow by the formation of the Army of Islam but still works with the Army of Islam.

Gulf states, led by Qatar and the Saudis, have been supporting Islamic factions since at least early last year. Private donors in Kuwait also contribute.

There are some rebel groups, most notably Ahrar al-Sham, which fall outside of the bubbles above but also benefit from Gulf donors (primarily via Qatar and Kuwait) and work with other rebel factions.

The SNC remains the only viable political opposition, but almost no one on the ground supports the coalition. Furthermore, the SNC recently rejected peace talks while the Assad's regime doesn't recognize its legitimacy anyway, so a political solution is not an option at this point.

The Israel Defense Force has bombed targets in Syria on several occasions in relation to its own interests. In July 2011 President Shimon Peres said that "Assad must go," but the office of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu recently said that the country's position involves "not intervening in internal Syrian affairs."

user posted image

Sauce: http://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-invo...n-syria-2013-10
« Next Oldest · The Museum Of Kopitiam · Next Newest »
 

5 Pages  1 2 3 > » 
 Bump Topic Topic ClosedOptions New Topic
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
 0.1863sec    0.50    5 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 2nd December 2025 - 09:23 PM
All Rights Reserved © 2002- 2025 Vijandren Ramadass (~unite against racism~)
Removal Request
Powered by Invision Power Board © 2025  IPS, Inc.