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Frozen_Sun
post Sep 28 2013, 08:57 PM

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Two Leopard 2A4 and two Marder 1A3 being unloaded in Jakarta.....

First shipment from Germany.......40 Leopard 2A4, 61 Leopard 2 Revolution and 48 Marder 1A3 not yet delivered
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post Sep 28 2013, 11:41 PM

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A Leopard 2 Revolution showcased in Indo Defense show in Jakarta last year...Indonesia will get 61 units of these....
More improved than up-armored Leopard 2SG....

Revolution has better electronics, counter measures, fire controls and others
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post Sep 28 2013, 11:45 PM

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Leopard 2 Revolution got covered in an Indonesian TV report
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post Sep 29 2013, 02:52 AM

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Painted quickly after being unloaded.......

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post Oct 3 2013, 06:06 AM

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QUOTE(bubu2010 @ Oct 3 2013, 02:55 AM)
16 x 8 = 128??? 128 Su30??? Kidding or real? it means within 11 years right? OMG!!! 128 fighters excluding trainers? It is totally a lot smile.gif
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Not all Su-30, that may include refurbished F-16 Block 32 and KFX....although there's rumor that TNI-AU will purchase another squadron of Su-30MK2 under the next president's administration that begins next year.

Indonesia's GDP may reach $2000billion in 2024....that's 20bil based on current's percentage of budget defense to GDP..at 1 percent

The projected percentage of budget defense will be raised eventually to 2.5 percent...that's $50billion in 2024

So 8 fighter squadrons do sound plausible.....

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post Oct 3 2013, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(kinabalu @ Oct 3 2013, 11:32 AM)
somehow indo assets give me a feeling that they are obsolete. hmm.gif
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no wonder....real modernization only begins recently in 2009 and ends in 2014 for Renstra I.....there will be Renstra II and Renstra III that ends in 2024....by that time the degree sophistication may approach Singapore's...since the annual defense budget will be at least $20 billions

Some of the assets are really old...like BTR-50 and S-60 AAA gun.....but I'm sure they'll decommissioned eventually
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post Oct 3 2013, 01:55 PM

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K2 saja....

K-Pop tank... biggrin.gif
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post Oct 4 2013, 02:13 AM

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These museum pieces need to be replaced soon.........
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post Oct 5 2013, 04:58 AM

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QUOTE(bai1101 @ Oct 4 2013, 10:09 PM)
may be their strategy was more on city war or flat terrain since their major city r mostly near to sea where there can used ship to transport them here and there compare malaysia which ground transport had more advancetage

just my own oppinion.
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TNI-AD actually has 12 armored batallions (Yonkavs) .....unmodified Leopard 2A4 will be assigned to Yonkav 12 in East Kalimantan....Leopard Revolution to Yonkav 8 in East Java......

http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalyon_kavaleri

So the bulk and workhorse of Indonesian armored forces is still light tanks......perhaps Leopards are just used "in case" there's a combat with opposing MBT in open space and cities....

Surely their light tanks can't survive in this scenario
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post Oct 5 2013, 03:12 PM

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Houses on the right are perfect to set up ambush with RPG....urban warfare is hell

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post Oct 9 2013, 02:35 AM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Oct 8 2013, 05:53 PM)
New Arena-3 APS Debut At RAE-2013
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Arena-3 covers 360 degrees in four quadrants with four modules,
each comprising two sensor modules.


A new active protection system from Russia appeared today at RAE-2013, as part of the display
of a series of upgrades offered to The T-72 main battle tanks.

The new system, dubbed Arena-3 covers 360 degrees in four quadrants with four modules,
which seems to comprise two sensors two effectors.

According to the manufacturer, two targets can be intercepted at each direction, at 0.3 second intervals.

The system is effective at elevation of +20 degrees and -6 degrees. It is designed to intercept projectiles
and missiles at a distance of 50 meters from the protected tank.

The previous configuration included multiple effectors and a high profile radar that has not received well
among tank crews.

According to the tank manufacturer Uralvagonzavod, the system is effective at target velocity of 70-1000 meter/second
(pertaining to RPGs, anti-tank missiles and HEAT tank rounds). The upgraded T-72 with Arena-3 weighs 46.5 tons.

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According to the manufacturer, two targets can be intercepted at each direction,
at 0.3 second intervals. The system is effective at elevation of +20 degrees and -6 degrees.


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Daisy chain two obsolete malyutka ATGM launchers with one Kornet launcher.....

When the operator push the trigger.....the two malyutka missiles are launched first with 0.5s interval......followed 0.2s later by the Kornet missile

The first two malyutka are decoys......the 0.2s interval used by the Kornet...hopefully can defeat the 0.3s reaction time of the Arena 3.......

Hopefully, the same concept can be used to defeat Israel's Trophy tongue.gif

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post Dec 23 2013, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(hafizushi @ Dec 19 2013, 11:32 PM)
yep i dont think we need to compete with our jiran, let them spending spree...we should buy thing when its necessary

we should focus on thing like;
1)sgpv weapon package
2)ngpv weapon package
3)mmrca with aew aircraft
4)esscomm radar, military base, equipment
5)forming marine brigade using same concept of 10 para by converting some ramd and ranger battalion into marine brigade
6)LPD/LHD => critical if we have a marine brigade, preferably mini dokdo laugh.gif
7)more antitank/antiair manpad, acog scope, grenade launcher and other army personnel equipment

after all of that we can start buying thing like marine brigade equipment like something transport heli, landing boat. Since we already bought av8 from what i understand it can be amphibious(correct me if im worng) hence maybe 30 out 250 av8 to be use by the marine, then buy something like this

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2s25 sprut-sd can be airdrop or amphibious hence can be use by 10 para and the marine

more, maybe next 10 years if it me the defence ministry  tongue.gif  we can start thinking buying 4 visby class replacing some old FAC, 4 more submarine, s300 and 5th gen aircraft pakfa
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I think that's quite understandable...Indonesia's GDP quadrupled under SBY administration from 2004 - 2014 to about $1 trillion

For many years, they maintain a modest defense budget, about 0.9 percent GDP, suddenly in 2008 they found out that they have spare cash to spend on new weapons...that's why they have the MEF program (2009-2024). At this economic growth rate, they will have even bigger extra cash to spend each year, even at 0.9 percent GDP.

A shopping spree is logical consequence.....

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post Dec 24 2013, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Dec 22 2013, 12:11 PM)
Indon is spamming fast missile boat, they gonna have 44 of these in the future
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These boats are perfect for ambushing passing warships inside their territory...

Launch the missile next to a small island and then hide behind that island

or

Launch the missile in the estuaries and sprint at full speed into the river and disappear



Naval defense with guerrilla mentality biggrin.gif
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post Dec 24 2013, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Dec 24 2013, 06:55 PM)
Isn't "Hit & Run" a tactic used by Fast Attack Missile Boats?

3 KCR-40 Missile Boats of the Indonesian Navy making manuvers

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To successfully employ hit & run tactic, missile boats must lie in wait and make the best of the surrounding terrain, because whatever they do, these boats will never outrun anti ship missiles in open seas
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post Dec 24 2013, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Dec 24 2013, 09:20 PM)
its practical for Indonesia to have those missile boats as they have plenty of small island for the boats to cover..but for us, which part in m'sia have that much island to hide these boats..?  hmm.gif
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Super Lynx and Sea Skua are good enuff biggrin.gif
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post Dec 24 2013, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Dec 24 2013, 10:49 PM)
"The Battle of Latakia" during the Yom Kippur War was known as a battle between Fast Missile Boats.

5 Israeli Missile Boats (Sa'ar 3 & Sa'ar 4) vs 3 Syrian Missile Boats (Komar & Osa), 1 Syrian Torpedo Boat & 1 Minesweeper.

The Israelis used electronic countermeasures & chaff rockets to avoid those Syrian SS-N-2 Styx Missiles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Latakia
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Well....I doubt these KCRs have sophisticated electronic countermeasures to defeat Exocet MM40 Block II/III or perhaps their own C-705

Small islands and rivers are their best defense to hide from detection and counter-fire
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post Dec 25 2013, 12:05 AM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Dec 24 2013, 11:32 PM)
MM40? ini yom kippur bro.... time tu mana wujud poon menatang tu
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tau la..... they are using SS-2 Styx

But in our region, navies are using exocet, harpoon, uran and chinese stuff like C602 and C802/803.....not the old SS-2





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post Dec 25 2013, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Dec 25 2013, 12:57 AM)
Kenapa China tak ikut doctrine Russia, strategi Attack on US carrier battle groups guna Anti-Ship missile,rather than trying ship-to-ship battle? hmm.gif

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Tu-22M with 2 underwing KH-22 (AS-4 "Kitchen") Anti-ship Missiles.


From the movie "The Sum of All Fears". Yes, ada banyak inaccuracies berkenaan US fleet defence systems & CAP fighters,tapi the main idea is that attacking US carrier groups using anti-ship missiles as an alternative to ship-to-ship combat. Lagipun best jugak tengok US carrier kena blast ni hehehe  biggrin.gif
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Su-30 with Brahmos....cheaper than Backfire
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post Dec 26 2013, 01:15 PM

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Yeah.....jirans already got Apache and Hind.....
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post Dec 26 2013, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(superis @ Dec 26 2013, 01:44 PM)
Those attack hellos are dedicated for air artillery and tank killer. They will use Guardian for attack against armored deep inside enemy territory and the Hinds to cover land forces as flying arty
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Tourists in Bali watched Indonesian's Army Hind during the APEC event in Bali a few months ago

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