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Military Thread V10, Merry X'Mas and Happy New Year
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ET-Force
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Oct 5 2013, 03:45 AM
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@yinchet
speaking of the procurement of sgpv and possible lekiu batch 2,
do you guys know why malaysia did't buy the Nakhoda Ragam OPV from Brunei?
It is the same type with Lekiu right? f2000 iinm.
except it is heavily downgraded compare to the Lekius. why dont the gov just buy it? expensive?
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ET-Force
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Oct 7 2013, 03:13 AM
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Seriously i would like to know more about navy ship classification
What makes a ship a cruiser, a destroyer, a frigate, a corvette?
For now, I only realise the differences is the displacement of the ship
eg >9500t for cruiser, >6000t for destroyer, >3000t for frigate and >1000t for corvette.
But the Lekius of Malaysia was only 2200t. is it the armanent that made it a frigate?
Furthermore, is corvette = OPV?
How about normal patrol vessel?
If i take US as an example, I see their cruiser is slowly phasing out and there is no replacement programme for it, is it possible we won't see anymore cruiser in 2decades time? So that means destroyer are slowly replacing cruiser.
And there is also no more future frigate programme to replace oliver hazrd perry frigate. is LCS now take the role of frigate?
For some, maybe they just think it is a ship, but there is so many things about it bothers me much.
hope yinchet and atreyu can answer this.
Sorry for my english.
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ET-Force
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Oct 7 2013, 03:35 PM
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Thanks for the answer.
Somehow i can figure out a little. So it is depending on the gov as well to classify it as what type of ship. No wonder there is anti air cruiser, anti sub destroyer, multi purpose blah blah blah.
About the enrollment into the defense force, do people who hold degree/master that wear spectacles do them any good in the frontline of defense, i mean put then into battle ready situation.
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ET-Force
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Oct 14 2013, 05:56 AM
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I saw one Picture regarding Kedah-class OPV.
Does it really comes with Exocet and RIM-116RAM?
Surfed few wiki sites, all said it did not comes with both of the armanent above.
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ET-Force
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Oct 16 2013, 04:17 AM
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@yinchet
2~3 days ago i got replied in the SGPV thread.
It's about the NGPV potential SSM. Is it possible TLDM got other option as well? Why dont just stick with Exocet?
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ET-Force
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Oct 16 2013, 05:02 AM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 16 2013, 04:41 AM) Well the tldm wanted to use nsm. But boustead prefer exocet. exocet ssm will be possible retired by 2020 depeding on the new ssm missile development. The more likely reason tldm felt that nsm is a much more capable ssm. If tldm goes for nsm in sgpv will be going for the same if kedah class been armed. Judging from hisapmudin speech he is looking towards arming kedah class. Not sure if he able to dig some money for its. How about harpoon? US dont want to sell to us? Or it is going to retired too? Btw I prefer if our TLDM use the same armanent like what JMSDF did to their ships. But maybe it is hard right?
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ET-Force
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Oct 16 2013, 06:29 AM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 16 2013, 05:53 AM) We already have harpoon for our f18. Not sure if our tldm considering it. I would like our sgpv to be equip with searams and phalanx as ciws. +1 on phalanx ciws. RIM-116 ram? ESSM alone not enough? Or it is more cost effective than essm to counter closer threat?
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ET-Force
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Oct 16 2013, 07:37 AM
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One more thing, Is tomahawk able to be vertical launched? I only knew that harpoon can't.
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ET-Force
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Oct 16 2013, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE(cks2k2 @ Oct 16 2013, 08:24 AM) tomahawk vertical launch old version - no new version - yes Im surprised. Look how fat the tomahawk is.
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ET-Force
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Oct 27 2013, 11:50 PM
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Dafark man, feeling like wanna rage right now. Mica? DS30m and Exocet for a 1.5B ship? Seriously?
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ET-Force
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Oct 28 2013, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE(gnome @ Oct 27 2013, 11:52 PM) Defence industry. The easiest place for songlap, for any country not just malaysia That's what i've been told by someone who related to the industry  But this is too much man, We pay for a watermelon but get one little green bean. With Formidable class, South China Sea dispute around, not to mention shopping spree of Indon, they can still sit down and songlap more. Better scrap off the whole Gowind project and revive Lekiu batch two project.
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ET-Force
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Oct 28 2013, 12:01 AM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 28 2013, 12:00 AM) Last few days i rage edi when i found that ciws were ds30m. And now mica that really fark you. Some1 even justified about using ds30m as ciws. Lolz. Facepalm I wonder how the top management of Navy react to this issue.
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ET-Force
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Oct 28 2013, 12:15 AM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Oct 28 2013, 12:09 AM) Lots of argument happen in the metting. Hopefully navy won the fight before loa is issue. I hope media should do something about these. Media must do something. Put some fire if possible My initial thought of the new SGPV is it should be able to counter Formidable-class, but seem it will be just like 30~50% buffed up lekiu with 2-3 times(i suppose, not sure) the prices.
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ET-Force
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Oct 29 2013, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Oct 29 2013, 04:06 PM) hey that seems like a good idea..instead of acquiring dokdo or mistral, can we convert the Bunga Mas to LPD ship? or will the converting be more costly than acquiring a dokdo? then what ship gonna replace Bunga Mas? auxiliary ship is very important bro..
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ET-Force
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Oct 30 2013, 09:21 PM
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Lolz, SGPV issue got so hot until soon-to-be-mighty-destroyer USS Zumwalt got no attention to it.
Poor Zumwalt..
But, what are navy fag opinions on this ship?
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ET-Force
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Oct 30 2013, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 30 2013, 09:27 PM) its an alien ship this ship is so awesome, ayam thinking of buying a model of the ship powered by linux! you dont say. My mind blew when i saw the displacement gonna be more that 14k tonnes. Almost like ballictic missile subs already. The vertical launching system got so awesome that i dont even cannot imagine how it works. Peripheral VLS? Dafuq is that.
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ET-Force
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Oct 30 2013, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Oct 30 2013, 10:29 PM) Cancelled CG(X) even bigger. 25k tonnes and powered by nuke. CG(X) is too pricey, even DD(X) initially planned was to build 19 ships but only 3 units funded. I cant imagine how many billions will be spended if all 19 DD(X) ships and some number of CG(X) were built. Even 3 units DD(X) cost them the nation. This post has been edited by ET-Force: Oct 30 2013, 10:36 PM
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ET-Force
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Nov 13 2013, 07:44 AM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Nov 13 2013, 07:18 AM) Lolz according to some tudm letting the usn to learn about our cik su jammer. seem like some deal happen btw tudm and us government. if in return fat leonard can repair the USN ship back here is okay enuf for me.
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ET-Force
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Nov 14 2013, 12:46 AM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Nov 13 2013, 11:41 PM) The recent news on the sgpv stated that the system were classified. dunno what the reason though. Dont you think they should order second bathh of OPV? Complete all the name of Malaysia state, if cannot, do only for the state which has king only good also. Hahhahha But seeing the Kedah-class still not yet well equipped, they should work on that first.
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ET-Force
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Nov 19 2013, 07:24 AM
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Nov 19 2013, 06:42 AM) madness. MiG-29 right?
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