http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/highlights/...-rail-link.html

Will it be another "turbo" to hike property price in KL?

Will certainly be a major boost to KL.

definitely, those area near CIQ will definitely have an increase in price..

300kmj best... 150kmj.... buat rugi je...

see the route...

So, can seriously look into these area?? Melaka? Batu Pahat?


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Yesterday was the MRT link coming into Johor.

Today it will be the Bullet Train link going to Kuala Lumpur.

Finally, a surprise official announcement to the international media. :applause:


Singapore, Malaysia agree to high-speed rail link
Reuters | By Kevin Lim SINGAPORE | Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:28am EST
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/19/...E91I05720130219
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/sin...1255068/1/.html
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...speed-rail-link

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Singapore and Malaysia moved to strengthen growing economic ties on Tuesday with plans to build a high-speed rail link by 2020 that will cut travel time between the wealthy city-state and Kuala Lumpur to 90 minutes.

The neighboring Southeast Asian countries also said they would look for ways to intensify cooperation in developing the Iskandar Malaysia economic zone that's across a narrow strip of water from Singapore.

The rail link announcement, after a meeting between the prime ministers of the two nations, reflects improved relations in recent years. Singapore was once part of Malaysia but they separated acrimoniously in 1965, clouding diplomatic and economic dealings for decades.

The high-speed train "is a strategic development that will dramatically improve the connectivity between Malaysia and Singapore," the two governments said in a joint statement.

"It will facilitate seamless travel between Kuala Lumpur and Singapore, enhance business linkages and bring the people of Malaysia and Singapore closer together," they said. "Ultimately, this project will give both countries greater stake in each other's prosperity and success," it added.

No cost estimate was given for the rail link, which will be built by private companies with strong support from the two governments. The official statement said a committee of ministers from both countries will look into the details.

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak conceded the 2020 target was ambitious but said it was one both countries were working towards.

It now takes around four hours to drive from Singapore to Kuala Lumpur, which are about 300 km (186 miles) apart. A flight takes around 50 minutes but travelers must spend time checking in and out of airports, as well as taking a one-hour bus ride from Kuala Lumpur International Airport to the city centre.


Wikipedia file picture of a China high-speed train. The Singapore-Malaysia high-speed rail link is expected to be completed by 2020.


TECHNOLOGICALLY POSSIBLE

The rail agreement was a "major breakthrough," said Chua Hak Bin, Southeast Asian economist at Bank of America Merrill Lynch.

But he noted the potential for bureaucratic delays when such mega-projects are undertaken.

"It's technologically possible. We've seen how fast China builds these things," Chua said. "It makes a lot of sense. There is a huge amount of business, trade and investment between the countries. There are also a large number of Malaysians working in Singapore."

A new customs, immigration and quarantine facilities at Puteri Harbour in Malaysia's Iskandar zone will likely be set up this year, the two governments said.

Iskandar, three times the size of Singapore, has seen a surge in investment from the city-state after the two governments signed a broad agreement in 2010 to address longstanding issues.

In October, Singapore government-linked firm Ascendas, whose projects include the Singapore Science Park and the International Tech Park in Bangalore, said it will help build a $1.2 billion industrial park in Iskandar.

Also on Tuesday, Najib and Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong were officiating at joint venture projects involving their sovereign investors Khazanah Nasional Bhd and Temasek Holdings in Singapore and Iskandar.

The two leaders will also be at the unveiling of a project by Singapore's CapitaLand Ltd in Iskandar, the first in the zone by Southeast Asia's biggest developer.


The southern Malaysian city of Johor Baru, part of the Iskandar Malaysia economic zone. Johor Baru is the 3rd largest conurbation in Malaysia. http://property-in-singapore.biz/new-homes...-johor-malaysia

($1 = 3.0940 Malaysian ringgit) (Editing by John O'Callaghan and Richard Borsuk)



BIG DAY ::: Today, Malaysia and Singapore open a new chapter in bilateral relationship.

- The largest gathering of any ASEAN nations Cabinet ministers/secretaries (Malaysia and Singapore will bring both their ministers)
- Malaysia and Singapore will get an urban rail link,
- a ferry system across the Causeway,
- the Johor airport/Senai will tie up with Singapore's Changi,
- Singapore-Malaysia will invest in Johor,
- Malaysia-Singapore will invest in Marina Bay,
- Malaysia-Singapore will bring foreign investments into the region



Johor-Singapore rapid transit system gets green light
By Nelson Benjamin | The Star/Asia News Network | Tuesday, Feb 19, 2013
http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest%2BNews/...219-402913.html

SINGAPORE - Malaysia and Singa**pore have agreed to go ahead with the Rapid Transit System (RTS) linking Johor Baru with the republic.

Foreign Minister Datuk Seri Anifah Aman said both countries had a year to draft the plans on the preferred option for the RTS.


Woodlands MRT station will serve as an interchange and allow travellers to take the proposed Rapid Transit System Link between Singapore and Johor Baru.

He added that under phase one, the alignment and station scheme options would be identified.

"Once this is decided, we can move to phase two," Anifah said during a briefing on Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak's two-day working visit to Singapore which began yesterday.

It is learnt that among the options being considered is a bridge or an underground tunnel link.

Singapore had earlier announced that its Thomson mass rapid transit (MRT) line would be opened in stages from 2019.

The 30km line will run through the north-south corridor of the island republic, starting in Wood*lands, the area closest to Johor Baru via the Causeway, and passing through industrial, residential and shopping districts before ending at Marina Bay.

The S$18bil (RM44bil) line will be completely underground and is expected to serve 400,000 commuters daily.

Anifah said leaders from both countries were expected to discuss the progress and implementation of the Points of Agreement.

"Both leaders will also travel to Iskandar Malaysia in Johor to launch the ground-breaking ceremony of the Urban and Resort Wellness project.

He added that it involved a 2ha "Urban Wellness" project in Medini North and a 84ha "Resort Wellness" in Medini Central.

Other issues to be discussed include cooperation in aviation and airport services between Senai and Changi airports as well as the establishment of ferry and water taxi services between Puteri Har**-bour in Iskandar and Tuas in Singapore.

Anifah added that there was steady progress in the implementation of initiatives under the Joint Ministerial Committee for Iskandar Malaysia including in transport, immigration, tourism, environment and industrial cooperation.


Singapore's Temasek and Capitaland to announce Iskandar deal today
The StarBiz | Tuesday February 19, 2013
PETALING JAYA: Singapore's Temasek Holdings Pte Ltd and its unit CapitaLand Malaysia Pte Ltd will enter into an agreement with Iskandar Waterfront Holdings Bhd (IWH) today to buy a man-made island measuring about 28.33ha at Danga Bay for about RM800mil.

The total cost of the land and the integrated development was likely to cost RM8bil, they said. A joint venture has been formed for this deal between CapitaLand Malaysia, IWSB and Temasek, with the Singaporeans taking the bigger share.

This is the second largest tract of land that is being sold by IWH in less than two months after China's Country Garden bought 22.26ha for RM900mil in December.

Read More >>> http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...9&if_height=674

This post has been edited by accetera: Feb 19 2013, 06:18 PM

dreaming....

Singapore to KL, 90 mins! That's awesome!

The Singaporeans can take a ride to KL for Bak Kut Teh for breakfast and be back to Orchard for lunch. It will be awesome for all!

Ok now we can go and date Singaporean girls during the weekend. Woohooo.

what is the ticket price will be? round trip 150?

Maybe free if we sit on the roof..

This is a very good news for everyone.

While the project is technologically feasible, I think it would be commercially and politically challenging. I think round trip would be priced at high hundreds. 150 definitely can't make it unless it is being subsidized. We have enough subsidies in this country already.

Would u take it if the price is rm350 per way?

It has to be competitive with respect to Airplanes.

Definitely, we expect this is going to happen, HCS did mention b4

If it is faster to reach destination, certain people in certain countries would rather take bullet trains that airplanes coz it is faster. Airplanes are slow coz need to check in etc.

RM300 per trip at least I guess

Single ok, whole family tak boleh lo

If whole family, mati woo.

One thing's for sure. If contract awarded to Crony, then costs will be koyak and ticket price double..unless Gomen subsidize with our money.

Since the train is going to another country, there will be customs, security and immigration checks. As for checking in, even Air Asia has resorted to checking in from your PC. If you have luggages, the same challenges applies to trains. Will the train ask passengers to be at the waiting room early before boarding? I am pretty sure they would.

When you get off at Singapore, there will also be customs, security and immigration checks.

Lastly, its not really door to door as the article mentioned. You still need to travel to the station. And since they are not going to be stops in between, people in Kajang, Putrajaya, etc need to travel to Sentral train station (assuming its built there).

The London Paris high speed train partly works because you can travel througout Europe without going thru customs, immigrations (I am referring to EU citizens, non EU still need checks).
High speed trains crossing international borders suffer more or less the same process as air travel.
Anybody care to comment?

As usual, election feel good talk to entice people to vote for current gomen since it will likely depend on them to be in power for this to materialize.

My opinion:

The HSR project is meant to connect "heart of city" to "heart of another city".

The HSR project means we would welcome more Singaporeans. A RM150 ticket is too cheap for them, mana boleh?

The HSR project means more WORKING FOREIGNER in Singapore can opt to stay in KL. More business will also flow to KL as we directly created a "tunnel" link between our two cities. More business particularly means the support work especially for financials, i.e. KL is already doing tonnes of work that the 5,000-Citigroup workforce in Raffles Place/Shenton Way cannot do.

It will also narrow the gap between trends in Singapore and trends in KL, as we in KL suddenly become a "neighboring/suburb" metropolis to Singapore.

Based on the Taiwan HSR and considering our exchange and construction cost is within RM8 billion, I expect ticket to be around RM250-RM300.

Due to the heavy lobby, I believe there'll definitely be a STATION in Melaka/Malacca and perhaps many more.



This post has been edited by accetera: Feb 19 2013, 11:43 PM

How much it should cost to commute?
It is close to what I have in mind. The unique proposition for this project is that it is the fastest way to go to Singapore. It will probably take 2 hours 15 minutes in total (travel time: 90 minutes, passport check: 30 minutes, taxi: 15 minutes) which is faster than by air (estimated total of 3 hours). As such, as a planner, I would have the flexibility to charge it almost similar, if not slightly more expensive than to that of airfare, but still make it as an attractive mode of transport.

Taking KLIA Ekspress as an example, the cost to travel with its high speed rail is RM0.61 per km:
Distance from KL Sentral to KLIA: 57km
Cost per trip: RM35
By using this cost and estimating the distance between KL to Singapore to be as 350km, a round trip (700km) would cost me around RM430. (However, do take not that this is probably not a good comparison as the technology and cost between the two rail systems are different.)

I did a quick check on what it would cost me to travel between KL and Singapore (date chosen is next week 26/2) by air:
Airasia (Roundtrip): RM139
MAS (Economy, Roundtrip): RM564

As a planner I would have a headache. I can't compete with Airasia on pricing but probably not a problem with MAS.

As for the train, it would cost me RM217 (KL-Singapore RM62, Singapore-KL SGD62). But then it take up to a good 7 hours for each trip, which is not what a high-speed rail competing with.

By car, it would cost me around RM100 (RM50 * 2) for toll while fuel would probably cost me RM200 (ESTIMATE only). That's total up to RM300.

In the end, I would price it between RM350 - RM400 to make it competitive and attractive. And here comes the commercial challenge.

Commercial Risk
The construction cost varies between different parties from a low of RM8bil to a high of RM30 bil. By taking an estimate of RM20bil for the total cost, how much money the high-speed rail need to generate annually to make it a profitable business proposition?

Assuming we price it at RM400 for round trip and attempted to get 3,000 daily passenger, our return would be:
Revenue = RM400 * 3,000 * 365 = RM438 mil.

Will you be satisfied with a 2.19% return per annum?

Political Risk
With subsidies and budget deficit, Najib is putting his head on the chopping board with this plan. If he is not able to secure 2/3 majority in the next GE, he might as well scrap this unprofitable plan.


Note: My assumptions above could be wrong but hopefully this could serve as a beginning of interesting discussions.

Five tycoon-related have expressed interest in this project. (Cost most likely overblown from previous YTL plan as this time is different)

I think we can save some money if we can align with KTM route as we don't need much land acquisition.

As for AirAsia, their bigger worry should be Malindo Air, and not this HSR. Malaysia Airlines? Well they better focus on Oneworld alliance by bringing more better quality foreigners into the country (they will begin code-sharing with American Airlines on 1 March - a chance to increase American tourists)


(feel that this thread should encourage technical discussions here as well for those in the know how such as @Kampung)

Wah good discussion. Hehe. I have almost the same calculation as u and considering what i have seen in other more developed countries, that is the price that i think that they would charge.

I agree on the RM300 ticket.... but you need to factor in the expected volume as well. Volume factor changes the fee structure.

The fact is KL-Singapore vice versa has a huge traffic flow. Then we need to narrow down to the sampled volume that is expected to use this HSR service.

hehehe really interesting!

How about 5 people by car? RM300 divided by 5?

Would you invest Iskandar or JB rather then KL?

I think small town like Gemas, Kluang, Sermeban is better.

Buy land if you can.

This post has been edited by balakong: Feb 20 2013, 08:04 AM

yes,

najid did mention.

If I am the PM. The project will continue la.

If I am not the PM. I don't know.

I think the border control will be like those if you travel from switzeland to Austria.... the immigration will stamp on your travel document while the train is moving. So you don't need to get down from the train on section from JB to Singapore.

It could be door to door for those staying near train station and working at train station.



This post has been edited by balakong: Feb 20 2013, 08:11 AM

If Im a PM 10 years ago, now Malaysia already have bullet train across whole region.... Not only Singapore to Malaysia but a link from Singapore - KL - Penang - Hatyai - Bangkok - ..... Until to China.

Also, I think the govt is usually protective of MAS. The KL Singapore sector is a money making sector. They might mitigate this by giving MAS a stake in the HSR project.

i started this topic http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2703358 last few days... and yesterday announce to hv speed train between kl-sg... see, i told u i see the future... but most of u not agree with me... by 2020 people can live in melaka, seremban n work in kl.. substation for speed train is every where...

*any admin can move back my topic to this forum?..

Ohhh... u can see the future? Then mind to share where is the terminal station will be? :-)

the topic is about HSR to shorten the distance btw places, it will be an alternative for flight n snail pace train,, ppl already mention about it for quite some time ago,,

HSR can promote tourism n commercial vibrancy which will bring good benefit to this area,, indirectly boosting up surrounding area as a result of business travelers, tourist, n attract workforce to work here n travel via HSR back to hometown probably on a weekly or monthly basis,,

your topic was about living some 150km away n travel via HSR everyday which i had mention in your topic, even advance country like japan, its uncommon for them to do so,, travel via HSR can take up half of the salary of an average worker,,, read those post that we had reply,,,

This post has been edited by twincharger07: Feb 20 2013, 09:54 AM

hmmm... no need to be so sarcastic... for sure all state will hv substation, many will be benefit from it.. malaysian minded like to say NO / NO NEED.... but when its there, "owh, this infra or facility is good, really helpful"... easy example Putrajaya... when previous prime minister build it up, majority of malaysian said its a such a big waste, we no need... now all like crazy want to control it.. its truly malaysian..

Aiyah, how to turbo.

If it even happens it is 7 years from now.

There are ways around it.

Passport control could be circumvented with bio-metric control for frequent travellers that uses the lines.

Baggage checks could be done quickly with right system in place to move people from the station to that country.

If implemented correctly, travel by rail is far more convenient than air travel.

KL property with current 400-500 per sqf to hit 1000 per sqf iin 7 years no longer a dream anymore.

This post has been edited by ost1007: Feb 20 2013, 11:38 AM

Pretty decent estimation.

Then you have the question of at RM400 per roundtrip, how much demand would you have considering you can fly all in on Airasia for half the price and MAS for slightly more?

How many passengers do the airlines take per day? Estimate a generous 30 total flights to SGP from KL on a daily basis, 200 passengers on each flight, means 6,000 daily travellers SG - KL. The total passengers could even be fewer considering we are estimating a packed flight each time but let's be generous to account for growth in passenger travel.

Thus your high-speed rail is attempting to net 50% of the total market straight off the bat just to get a 2.19% return per anum, and this is an optimistic assumption. If your calculations are overly optimistic and more passengers prefer to take the cheaper Airasia, then your ROI would be even lower, 1% or -ve territory depending on how much you borrowed from the bank!

Is this feasible? Not while Malaysian salaries are so low is my 2c.

By the way a good comparison is ERL with the Skybus to travel KL Sentral to KLIA which from reports has been losing money despite being faster and more efficient. Malaysians being low income would prefer to save RM20 (one way ticket RM30 vs RM9 via bus) or take a taxi rather than sit the train. Basically, if you are poor, you take the cheapest option possible, efficiency be damned. If you can afford it, why wouldn't you drive or fly MAS...

This post has been edited by joeblows: Feb 20 2013, 11:48 AM

1)maybe lots of demand from visitors, business travel ...sap sap soi la fees 400 for visitor/ business travel
2)improve the poluttion ( air teval is high in co2)
3)Improve economy like those small town, melaka etc
4)Job creation, money spend and potential egen greater if in later link to bangkok/ Biejin.

This post has been edited by balakong: Feb 20 2013, 12:05 PM

Singapore gomen has realized that if the country need to survive for another 100 years, with the scarcity land getting crucial, they must act now, high speed train is indeed benefit Singapore more

Very simple. Change government. With less corruption the rail can be done at RM8bil with a return of 5.5% per annum based on your assumptions.

This post has been edited by Lcsx: Feb 20 2013, 12:42 PM

quick sapu then and pray

Actually, this project is good.
But to straight forward link this project to increase in property value is too simplistic.

First of all, there are quite some post already on the potential ticket price, so i wont talk on that.
Let's says it's about RM250 per trip.

So if you stay in KL and work in SG, you will spend RM500 per day to travel to and from work. I repeat.. RM500 per day. Think about it.
You are earning SG, so you will be paying about SG200 PER DAY to travel. If you work averagely 20 days a month, that would work out to SG4000 per month on travelling alone. This is only the financial cost, not including the time cost incurred for immigration checks, queuing, travel to station etc.

With SG4000 per month, you can rent a bloody comfortable place in SG already lar! Even can get spare changes! Hahahaha!
So will anyone with any financial sense do that?

Therefore, why how would this help KL property prices? If you say Segamat, Muar maybe still can make a bit sense lor..

Optimism is fine, but not the blind type!

It is very helpful fpr business trip and weekend vacation la.

Anyone got an idea on the proposed station in kl?

This one I think = KL Sentral.

If you ask me, the high speed train will indeed benefit singaporeans more than malaysians. but hey it is still benefiting malaysians so thats fine.

+1 hahaha. yup.

bandar tasik selatan? or Bandar malaysia = Sg besi

This post has been edited by balakong: Feb 20 2013, 04:27 PM

Another possible area = Tun Razak Exchange.

Shanghai–Hangzhou High-Speed Train, the line total 202 km, here is the price in RMB

http://hot.dahangzhou.com/top/hzhc/003.htm

This post has been edited by 37 Exposures: Feb 20 2013, 04:40 PM

Did they already work out the costs of construction ?

If they split the costs according to geographical, then what Singapore need to pay is peanut compared to Malaysia.

So of course Singapore will node the head and say yes.

I think the politicians are playing games. Not need to get too excited about this. Maybe the next GE, Ah jib kor is no more there, so no need to talk about this project anymore.

Read this post, the PR counters with highspeed interstate rail :-

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...nterstate-rail/

According to PR, high speed interstate is more needed than high speed KL-SG.

HSR investment has commonly resulted in:
1. reduced travel times;
In general, HSR offers faster net travel times than conventional road, rail and air travel between distances of approximately 150 kilometres (km) and 800 km.

2. reduced congestion on established modes of transport;
E.g., as air travellers move to HSR, short-haul flights are discontinued, increasing runway capacity for longer flights on which air travel maintains a competitive advantage over HSR.

3. improved access to markets and commerce;
Through reduced travel times, HSR reduces the opportunity cost -and commonly the expense of
inter-city commerce and tourism. This increases the reach of small businesses, improves the operational efficiency of larger ones, and enables commuting over longer distances while maintaining quality of life. Stations in underdeveloped communities attract new retail and hospitality investment, while businesses can take advantage of comparatively low property values and easy access to major city centres.This in turn can reduce regional disparities

4. decreased carbon footprint in comparison to road and air transport;
Comparative CO2 emissions between HSR development and the continued use of conventional
transport vary significantly case-by-case, but on a per-passenger, per-kilometre basis, HSR is a distinctly more climate-friendly mode of transport than either road or air travel.

5. ... and creating industry growth and export opportunities.

For more details ==> http://www.invensysrail.com/whitepapers/hs...arch-report.pdf

support interstate highspeed.

live in ipoh and working in KL = 203 = 45 minutes only

Everyone work in KL = no need to live in KL

Should have a poll to see how many people will buy ahead of the final approval of the plan.






This post has been edited by Lcsx: Feb 20 2013, 05:24 PM

Interstate highspeed makes more sense to me for Malaysians than the KL-SG one

Politician.. always like to twist.. how about built stop at KL-Seremban-Melaka-JB-SG.. interstate rail or not?

hahahaha.

A reasonable analysis

http://bursastocktalk.blogspot.com/2012/04...speed-rail.html

An interstate high speed train would obtain more passengers to make the project more financially viable.

its reasonable. That is why the project is the collaboration between the private and public. Simple no private would want to take the risk and bear the high cost. But government is diff, they earn the money back from the spillover economic effects.

on the long run this is a good proposal to go ahead. Singaporean will be confident to purchase property in KL. Foreign companies would see KL and SG as a extended economic zone (paris-london..etc)

I agreed with you.. Imagine if Malaysia have great KL and great Iskandar.. Awesome...

This post has been edited by abgkik: Feb 20 2013, 06:35 PM

smuggler (SUGAR ,MILK POWDER, ETC ) business like HK to SHENGZEN will boost up , wau ! another change to make good living n buy a banglo near HST station .

Smugler?? have you ever enter SG??

better make a station at banglakong . just for fun bro .

Kuala Lumpur - Singapore High Speed Rail Project (2014-2020)

Kuala Lumpur - Seremban - Ayer Keroh (Melaka) - Muar - Batu Pahat - Johor Baru (Iskandar) - Singapore (most likely confirmed)

Where do you want it to start and ends?

* A site near KL Sentral/Pasar Seni MRT - A site near Republic Polytechnic?Woodlands MRT (most likely)

1. KL Sentral (Hub) - Dhoby Ghaut (Hub)

2. KL Sentral (Hub) - Bayfront (instead of Marina Bay)

3. Bukit Bintang (MRT) - Orchard (MRT)

4. KLCC (LRT) - Harbourfront (MRT - Resorts World Sentosa)

5. KLCC (Centre) - Raffles Place (Centre)

6. Pasar Seni (MRT) - Outram Park (MRT)

7. Pasar Seni (MRT) - Jurong East (MRT)

8. Cochrane (MRT) - Tanjong Pagar (MRT)

9. Tun Razak Exchange/Pasar Rakyat (MRT) - Raffles Place (MRT)

10. Bandar Utama (MRT) - Queenstown (MRT) ---- this journey is for me



In the meantime:

Malaysia's Opposition counters Putrajaya’s plan, offers High-Speed Interstate Rail
The Malaysian Insider| UPDATED @ 05:29:17 PM 20-02-2013 By Zurairi AR February 20, 2013

PETALING JAYA, Feb 20 – Pakatan Rakyat (PR) announced today that a high-speed interstate railway system will be part of their Election 2013 manifesto, which it says is much more needed than a Kuala Lumpur-Singapore link.

This comes amid a joint-venture between the Malaysian and Singaporean governments to complete a high-speed rail link between the two cities by 2020, which is predicted to cost up to RM13 billion.

“Although the manifesto for PR will only be launched this Monday ... I can give an early preview that it will give a specific commitment to build an interstate high-speed rail system,” PKR strategic director Rafizi Ramli (picture) told reporters here.

“It will be a long-term development, done over several phases.”

The system will connect major cities along a route from Perlis (border state with Thailand) down to Johor Baru, and connect the east coast of Malaysia to the west coast, Rafizi offered.

“This project puts the people’s priority first even more so, and it will be the main difference between Barisan Nasional (BN) and PR,” he added.

Rafizi questioned the decision to only have two stops after laying out the necessary railway infrastructure along the route, which he said will already take up around 70 per cent of the total construction cost.

“We’re not against the project, the country needs a backbone, an efficient and fast railway system, but the urgency is to connect cities to cities,” stressed Rafizi.

Read More:
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...nterstate-rail/




Japan's Shinkansen has earlier said that it wants to be involved in the KL-Singapore high speed rail project, preferably using its "bullet-speed" technology.



This post has been edited by accetera: Feb 20 2013, 07:18 PM

the issue here is not about time n distance, is about fare n travelling cost,, how many can afford to travel between kl ipoh everyday?

if talking about scale of economy, lets look at japan which has the world most advance n highest public transport usage in the world, to japanese themselves, shinkansen is expensive.. 150km cost 2500yen, 2 way cost 5000yen which is about rm170 to rm200 depends on currency conversion,, a fresh grad pay in japan is bout 200,000yen, using shinkansen already 100,000yen permonth, not including expences for other transport as train dun stop infront of your house,, it is uncommon for japanese to travel tat far daily despite they have long history on shinkansen,, their shinkansen hit 160km/h in 1957 when tunku declare merdeka here,, they r tat advance,,

having working in over seas around asia continent for last few years n taking bullet trains for business trip, the fare of bullet train in these countries are not cheap by their standard of living,, china dong che zhu, taiwan gao tie, japan shinkansen

1 thing in common, bullet train in these countries are use more for business trip, tourism, balik kampung during weekends or festive,,, it is uncommon to use for commuting between house n workplace everyday

msia cant even reduce the public transport fare,,, beijing offers rmb2 to any destination with their MRT, tats the cheapest public transport i ever ride on, but their bullet train still quite expensive,,, dont put too much hope tat our bullet train will b cheap

This post has been edited by twincharger07: Feb 20 2013, 08:15 PM

Bro, correct me if i am wrong but many japanese use bullet train to work. Some of them even commute daily via airplane from osaka to tokyo. I went to japan when i was small. From kl to osaka was a small plane but from osaka to tokyo was a jumbo plane. Funny thing was that only my family and 2-3 other families were wearing normal clothes but others were wearing business suits ( to work). It was also the same case from tokyo to osaka.. Well japan is a weird country and maybe shouldnt be compared to us. Wanna dispose 3 years old functional TV also need to pay people to collect.This post has been edited by AMINT: Feb 20 2013, 08:20 PM

i work in japan more than a yr, i only travel shinkansen for business n visit,,
one of the backbone for japanese economy is the efficient transport network.. it is important for business traveller to travel across cities for meet up.. we sometimes hav to get to nagoya from tokyo in the morning for company meeting (nagoya some 200km away from tokyo) n travel back to tokyo by evening.. number of business traveller in japan is huge.. japanese, orang putih etc pun ada...

comparing the crowd between the normal rail n shinkansen, the difference is way way too far,,, u dun see super heavy crowded in shinkansen during rushing hours,, but local jr n metrolines r nightmare,, these lines only bring them to suburbs ,, only those who r able to afford or those on travel purpose will ride,, it is not common even by japanese standard

dun compare the niche few who can afford those expensive fare, even taking flight daily.. in msia, if you r the niche few, u can do it too... but we r talking about the mass population.. the mass japanese dont take flight to work.. all my colleagues stay within tokyo suburb, none stay as far as nagoya or osaka n travel everyday..

This post has been edited by twincharger07: Feb 20 2013, 09:03 PM

Great vision by Ah Jib & Lau Lee.

But the reality?

High chance Ah Jib will out 2013. Once this happen, high chance Lau Lee PAPaya will out 2016...

can u imagine what will happen if Geylang is just 90 mins away

lol.

sorry can't help it

Very good observation!

Yes, interstate might not be very feasible as bullet train will not be cheap. Very unlikely for a regular joe to be working in KL and staying at Ipoh, for business yes, but not a way of life. In comparison, if inter country like SG-KL, chances are, ppl might start to work in SG and stay in KL as they could easily afford the train ride given the conversion.

I was in Japan few months back and took shinkansen too, I must say I am very impressed with the punctuality and speed. If we are bringing shinkansen to Msia, wow, that would be a great game changer! I can practically go home every week and see my family!! Yay!

Better go Chow Kit, the train ticket (2ways) & the fee in SGD, not worth it. But the reverse might happen, like Hong Kong and Shenzhen, keep mistress in Msia. Lol

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　政府はマレーシアとシンガポールが進める高速鉄道の構想について、日本の新幹線技術を採用するよう両国政府に打診した。車両から運行管理まで含むパッケージでの事業計画も検討する。政府は日本企業を後押しするために今年度中に採算の見通しなどを独自に調べる方針。アジア経済の発展を日本の成長に取り込んでいく政府の戦略に沿って官民が連携する。

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Japanese government markets Shinkansen for Malaysia – Singapore HSR
http://www.nikkei.com/news/category/...3E2E2E2;av=ALL

This is for the proposed 400 km route that would link Kuala Lumpur and Singapore in about 1.5 hrs. The Japanese government will perform its own independent feasibility analysis of the project this fiscal year to assist Japanese firms looking to participate, and will consider the possibility of providing financing through the Japan Bank for International Cooperation should JR Central or JR East win orders for the project.

Better not here. it will make the place very chap

For MRT ok.
actually balakong will get the line 3 mrt ( that one from kepong to cyberjaya line). Got 2 stations some more. one is near mines and the other near minlon inside.
one very big guy inside this felda told me la.

I think better built it at bandar tasik selatan ( have ktm, lrt and mrt line 3) or bandar malaysia ( which have connection mrt line 2)

this 2 areas have lots of land and can built some mall/ office to generate income to compensate / cover partial the high cost of hsr just like what sweden / hk / sg doing.

This post has been edited by balakong: Feb 21 2013, 08:29 AM

This was revealed before in Koptiam thread...


(Wikipedia, courtesy ETP Plan Raodmap)

Looking forward for this... Obviously it will boost the property price for the city that it pass thru.

Wow! The world's most beautiful PM (Yingluck) is moving faster than us..

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/763048.shtml

Thailand expects to break ground for its first high-speed railway at the end of 2014, local media reported on Wednesday.

The Bangkok-Nakhon Ratchasima high-speed railway will stop at stations in Ayutthaya, Saraburi and Pak Chong. With an average speed of 250 km per hour, the 256-km distance between the capital city and the northeastern province will be covered in 90 minutes. The fare will be priced at 2.5-3 baht ($0.08-0.1) per kilometer.

Local transportation authorities are studying the feasibility of the project and a final plan will be put forward before next Feburary.

Local residents and businesspeople, as well as those whose land will be expropriated to make way for the train project, were given a chance to explain how their lives would be affected, according to project manager Niwat Tansawat.

He said that once all public hearings are completed for the project, land expropriation will begin next year followed immediately by construction, which will take five years to complete.

This is part of a major project covering four main routes from the capital, including routes to Chiang Mai, Hua Hin and Pattaya.

i share the same view,, it will create commercial vibrancy along its stop,, but will it further boost the properties on both ends (kl n sg) i m not too sure bout tat

Forget about 90 minutes... we shall make it 55 minutes now!


UEM Group-ARA Group has proposed to use MAGLEV technology for the non-stop service of KL-SINGAPORE high speed rail train. Travelling at an operational speed of 430kmph, the passenger travelling time will be further shortened to 55 minutes (less than the proposed 95 minutes). The consortium together with Siemens AG, ThyssenKrupp, MAX BÖGL and Shanghai Maglev Transportation Co. planned to use the alignment of North-South Expressway to save land acquisition costs. If suceeded, Malaysia could be the centre of Maglev manufacturing and research centre exporting the technology to the rest of the world.


Kuala Lumpur in talks to use Maglev technology for High Speed Rail; KL-Singapore takes 55 minutes :applause:
New Straits Times | Malaysian Digest | Friday, 22 February 2013 13:30
http://www.malaysiandigest.com/news/36-loc...technology.html

KUALA LUMPUR: A consortium, led by UEM Group Bhd and ARA Group, is proposing a high-speed train technology that can travel up to 500kph, which is expected to be one of the world's fastest in terms of revenue service.

The UEM-Ara Consortium, which is vying for the high-speed rail (HSR) project linking Kuala Lumpur and Singapore, hopes that its proposal to use the magnetic levitation (Maglev) technology will be considered.

A spokesman for the ARA Group, a forerunner in the rail industry here, said that with the Maglev technology, the high-speed train could run, operationally, at between 430kph and 500kph.

The consortium is considering offering two types of services -- express and transit.

At 430kph, the express service would take 55 minutes, running non-stop from Kuala Lumpur and Singapore.

If between six and seven station stops are required for the 400km line in areas like Seremban, Malacca, Muar, Johor Baru and Tuas, the journey would then take 80 to 90 minutes.

Maglev is a system of transportation that suspends, guides and propels vehicles, predominantly trains.

It uses large numbers of electromagnets, mounted on a flange protruding inboard from the lower part of the train car, for lift and propulsion.

The technology was developed by Transrapid-International (TRI), an erstwhile cooperation between German conglomerates Siemens AG, ThyssenKrupp and MAX BÖGL.

Maglev's high-speed trains are currently operational only in Shanghai, China, since 2003, by Shanghai Maglev Transportation Co (SMTDC).



The daily operational speed is 430kph and has reached a record speed of 501kph, with punctuality registering at more than 99.7 per cent.

Its spokesman said Malaysia, with its prime geographical location and potential, could be the first in the world to breakthrough with Maglev and manufacture and operate the technology here.

Subsequently, it would be possible to market the product globally.

He said Maglev technology had substantial advantages and was well-tailored for Malaysia's roadmap towards 2020.

The spokesman added that a centre of excellence (COE) could be set up here if the technology was implemented, especially for the HSR project, which is set to catapult Malaysia as a global transportation leader.

The COE will facilitate technology transfer between the German conglomerates, with support from SMTDC.

"Malaysia could be the region's aggregation and development hub by adopting the technology.

"The breaking point will be the development of the HSR line.

"This revolutionary avant-garde system has substantial advantages and is well-tailored for Malaysia's roadmap towards 2020."

The spokesman said Ara Group had concluded two studies on the use of the technology, with the help of ThyssenKrupp and SMTDC respectively.

"The outcome of both concept papers looks promising.

"Some of the highlights include a much reduced travel time.

"It will only take 55 minutes to get from Kuala Lumpur to downtown Singapore.

"By utilising the North-South Plus Expressway corridor, the consortium will require minimal land acquisition."

Maglev technology eliminates noise and vibration below 200kph and is suited for urban areas and inner cities.

Train derailments would also be a thing of the past, even with the train running at 500kph, he said.

There is also relatively low maintenance for trains running on Maglev as compared with the conventional high-speed rail, which will minimise long-term operational cost.

This post has been edited by accetera: Feb 22 2013, 11:45 PM

our mobile phones are not built for such speed.. prepare to hav lots of disconnection when making calls in de train..

check out MLX01, Japanese superconducting Maglev HSR. So freaking cool!



Just can't wait for this as this would be the first Maglev inter-connecting between two countries. These 2 countries already have one of the busiest air route in the world.

Read Centre for Aviation (CAPA)'s comment about the KL-Singapore High Speed Rail project on the impact of Asian airlines: http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/hsr-...la-lumpur-98233

There are more than 660 flight frequencies between direct carriers between KL and Singapore, excluding those with transits in KL or Sg

This post has been edited by accetera: Feb 23 2013, 12:17 AM

Malaysia love to be used as guinea pig. Maglev suspended on air literally, between highways. If derailed, really a major disaster.

Wa, reminds me of the case in shanghai derail. The china government tried to cover up by burying all the dead bodiss in 2 hours. Same train technology 'maglev'