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post Feb 20 2013, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(FlyingJoy @ Feb 20 2013, 03:00 AM)
Would you invest Iskandar or JB rather then KL?
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I think small town like Gemas, Kluang, Sermeban is better.

Buy land if you can.

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post Feb 20 2013, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(Minolta @ Feb 19 2013, 11:39 PM)
As usual, election feel good talk to entice people to vote for current gomen since it will likely depend on them to be in power for this to materialize.
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yes,

najid did mention.

If I am the PM. The project will continue la.

If I am not the PM. I don't know.
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post Feb 20 2013, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(tigana @ Feb 19 2013, 11:31 PM)
Since the train is going to another country, there will be customs, security and immigration checks. As for checking in, even Air Asia has resorted to checking in from your PC. If you have luggages, the same challenges applies to trains. Will the train ask passengers to be at the waiting room early before boarding? I am pretty sure they would.

When you get off at Singapore, there will also be customs, security and immigration checks.

Lastly, its not really door to door as the article mentioned. You still need to travel to the station. And since they are not going to be stops in between, people in Kajang, Putrajaya, etc need to travel to Sentral train station (assuming its built there).

The London Paris high speed train partly works because you can travel througout Europe without going thru customs, immigrations (I am referring to EU citizens, non EU still need checks).
High speed trains crossing international borders suffer more or less the same process as air travel.
Anybody care to comment?
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I think the border control will be like those if you travel from switzeland to Austria.... the immigration will stamp on your travel document while the train is moving. So you don't need to get down from the train on section from JB to Singapore.

It could be door to door for those staying near train station and working at train station.



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post Feb 20 2013, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(newx @ Feb 19 2013, 11:59 PM)
How much it should cost to commute?
It is close to what I have in mind. The unique proposition for this project is that it is the fastest way to go to Singapore. It will probably take 2 hours 15 minutes in total (travel time: 90 minutes, passport check: 30 minutes, taxi: 15 minutes) which is faster than by air (estimated total of 3 hours). As such, as a planner, I would have the flexibility to charge it almost similar, if not slightly more expensive than to that of airfare, but still make it as an attractive mode of transport.

Taking KLIA Ekspress as an example, the cost to travel with its high speed rail is RM0.61 per km:
Distance from KL Sentral to KLIA: 57km
Cost per trip: RM35
By using this cost and estimating the distance between KL to Singapore to be as 350km, a round trip (700km) would cost me around RM430. (However, do take not that this is probably not a good comparison as the technology and cost between the two rail systems are different.)

I did a quick check on what it would cost me to travel between KL and Singapore (date chosen is next week 26/2) by air:
Airasia (Roundtrip): RM139
MAS (Economy, Roundtrip): RM564

As a planner I would have a headache. I can't compete with Airasia on pricing but probably not a problem with MAS.

As for the train, it would cost me RM217 (KL-Singapore RM62, Singapore-KL SGD62). But then it take up to a good 7 hours for each trip, which is not what a high-speed rail competing with.

By car, it would cost me around RM100 (RM50 * 2) for toll while fuel would probably cost me RM200 (ESTIMATE only). That's total up to RM300.

In the end, I would price it between RM350 - RM400 to make it competitive and attractive. And here comes the commercial challenge.

Commercial Risk
The construction cost varies between different parties from a low of RM8bil to a high of RM30 bil. By taking an estimate of RM20bil for the total cost, how much money the high-speed rail need to generate annually to make it a profitable business proposition?

Assuming we price it at RM400 for round trip and attempted to get 3,000 daily passenger, our return would be:
Revenue = RM400 * 3,000 * 365 = RM438 mil.

Will you be satisfied with a 2.19% return per annum?

Political Risk
With subsidies and budget deficit, Najib is putting his head on the chopping board with this plan. If he is not able to secure 2/3 majority in the next GE, he might as well scrap this unprofitable plan.
Note: My assumptions above could be wrong but hopefully this could serve as a beginning of interesting discussions.
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1)maybe lots of demand from visitors, business travel ...sap sap soi la fees 400 for visitor/ business travel
2)improve the poluttion ( air teval is high in co2)
3)Improve economy like those small town, melaka etc
4)Job creation, money spend and potential egen greater if in later link to bangkok/ Biejin.

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post Feb 20 2013, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Feb 20 2013, 04:09 PM)
Anyone got an idea on the proposed station in kl?
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bandar tasik selatan? or Bandar malaysia = Sg besi

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post Feb 20 2013, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 20 2013, 05:02 PM)
Read this post, the PR counters with highspeed interstate rail :-

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...nterstate-rail/

According to PR, high speed interstate is more needed than high speed KL-SG.
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support interstate highspeed.

live in ipoh and working in KL = 203 = 45 minutes only

Everyone work in KL = no need to live in KL
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post Feb 21 2013, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(skcJVN @ Feb 20 2013, 06:59 PM)
better make a station at banglakong . rclxms.gif just for fun bro . icon_rolleyes.gif
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Better not here. it will make the place very chap

For MRT ok.
actually balakong will get the line 3 mrt ( that one from kepong to cyberjaya line). Got 2 stations some more. one is near mines and the other near minlon inside.
one very big guy inside this felda told me la.

I think better built it at bandar tasik selatan ( have ktm, lrt and mrt line 3) or bandar malaysia ( which have connection mrt line 2)

this 2 areas have lots of land and can built some mall/ office to generate income to compensate / cover partial the high cost of hsr just like what sweden / hk / sg doing.

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