Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 High Speed Rail Link Singapore Malaysia

views
     
Cocoon
post Feb 20 2013, 04:09 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,117 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
QUOTE(mydrm12345 @ Feb 20 2013, 02:29 PM)
It is very helpful fpr business trip and weekend vacation la.
*
Anyone got an idea on the proposed station in kl?
Cocoon
post Aug 4 2013, 02:31 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,117 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
[quote=noblebaby,Aug 4 2013, 01:53 PM]
There should b a station into KL centre. Jus wait n see
*

[/quote

. Definitely will be a stop at klia. City Center hard to say if yes possible at trx.
Cocoon
post Aug 4 2013, 03:51 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,117 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
QUOTE(Minolta @ Aug 4 2013, 03:08 PM)
KLIA stop doesn't make sense. City centre is logical. KL city centre to KLIA is 1h car if no jam. If car/LRT to KL Sentral then ERL to KLIA is oso 1h at least. Then HSR to SG in 2 hours takes at least total 3h.
Compare bus ride to SG 4h if no jam, firefly 2-3 hours including ground transport.

What's the feasibility of HSR if it doesn't at least half the time KL-SG?
*
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penang–Si...High_Speed_Rail

Klia is already in the plan. See the link above.
Cocoon
post Nov 26 2015, 08:41 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,117 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
QUOTE(huaweie5830 @ Nov 26 2015, 12:13 AM)
i believe one of the east asia will get the job one de lah

surely japan or china  notworthy.gif
*
sure china lo since they paid so much to buy power plant!
Cocoon
post Nov 26 2015, 02:41 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,117 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 26 2015, 12:02 PM)
I guess China.

heard their technology was copy from Kawasaki Heavy Industries, one of the makers of the bullet train, as well as from Germany’s Siemens and other copy hi-tech heavyweights  sweat.gif
*
could be true but china is the country has built the most HSR and operating it.
Cocoon
post Nov 26 2015, 02:42 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,117 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
QUOTE(jorgsacul @ Nov 26 2015, 11:46 AM)
Buy prop at BN state won't go wrong. You saw proposed stop all at BN state. Skipped selangor
*
i tot there is a stop at KLIA?


Cocoon
post Dec 28 2015, 08:37 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,117 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
QUOTE(BRE @ Dec 28 2015, 05:12 PM)
Yah, start at 5am will be good, reach Spore at 730am, half hour immigration clearance, take MRT to work & reach office before 9am! thumbup.gif But wake up at 4am! doh.gif  biggrin.gif
*
Cannot.la. stay in kl work.in sg is just an unrealistic dream. The cost and time traveling will.kill u.

May be the only way is to stay in jb n take rts to sg .


Cocoon
post Dec 29 2015, 06:24 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,117 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 28 2015, 10:59 PM)
When age catch up, short travelling will b stress too
*
Singapore is running out of space. For those really want to stay in jb but work.in sg are those work with lower salary or just started their career there. Some can't affort to bring family to sg due to single income but want to have more time with family then naturally jb is good option.
Cocoon
post Dec 29 2015, 06:27 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,117 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
QUOTE(huaweie5830 @ Dec 28 2015, 11:08 PM)
dun knw ppl are trolling or for real when they say they wanna use hsr as daily commute to work in sg.....
*
I believe the fare difference between hsr and rts will be huge. Rts is the realistic traveling method for johorean to sg frequently
Cocoon
post Jan 3 2016, 11:55 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,117 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
QUOTE(willyboy88 @ Jan 2 2016, 11:26 PM)
The chinese plan it for the long term one....e.g. 25-50 years instead of 5-20 years.
It may not look profitable in 5-20 years but over a period of 25-50 years it will especially for such an expensive project like HSR.

A lot of times .....it may not make sense in term of business profitability plan perspective.
But when you add in politics,pride and goodwill....those thing cannot be measure financially.

The Chinese face fierce competition from the Japanese.....Thus will do what it takes to win this project.

Failure to clinch this Singapore- KL project will set them back for years/decade and will be a major blow to their new silk road project and their dream of connecting southern China to Singapore by HSR.  They will lose face in South East Asia also.
The Japanese want to spoil their plan e.g. a revenge from their failure in the Indonesia bid.

We , as Malaysian need to play our card well in the fight between China and Japan/USA (AIIB vs World Bank/ADB).
Perhaps we will get our HSR for free and at a very low cost (just like the Indonesia)

Personally, I wish the chinese bid would win.
It is not because I am Chinese Malaysian.
It is because it makes the most business sense to get a China/Kunmin - Laos - Cambodia - Bangkok - Haadyai - Penang - KL - Singapore HSR in place in the long term.
It will be a major boost to tourism in South East Asia. imagine a HSR Oriental express in the making.
You can have breakfast in Singapore, lunch in KL and dinner in Bangkok and a late nite supper in China or vice versa early breakfast in Southern China, lunch in Bangkok, dinner in KL and a late night party in Singapore hehehehe. Superb!
It will be one of the 'must do' thing to do for any tourist to Asia , just like the London - Paris route in Europe.
Who knows ....one day our children or grandchildren can take a HSR from London to Singapore.
HSR would be a boost to KL position as the business hub of South east asia as it is in between Bangkok and Singapore.

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ject/?style=biz
*
agreed on overall concept but not the details.

if you look at the map of china only the east side is facing sea. Sea trade is the most important route to any country but unfortunately China is facing Japan in the east....
From hokkaido to okinawa left china with small window to pass through. It is desperate to have alternatives.

Rail provides China a crucial alternative for trades. But how? Currently many countries have different system/specification for rail... such as vietnam is diff from thailand, thailand is diff from Malaysia/sg. It is a legacy issue from colonial days. So If china wants to increase trades via Rail then it has to redo all railway in Indochina/Malaysia and Sg again. China already identified Kunming as the hub for collection and delivery of goods to SEA via rail. Many double track rail will be built running from Kunming to/passing Mynmar, Loas, Vietnam, Thailand then go to Malaysia and ended in Singapore. Bangkok will be the hub for all the rails (like Paris in Europe), KL is just one of the stops.

HSR is just one of the very first steps to materialise the above. China already controls Kunming from the North and if they win the KL-SG line at the South, it is easy to connect the missing links gradually.

Exporting HSR is to export their technology+cheap money+cheap labour+over capacity of steel/cement in China. But their plan is bigger than that for SEA especially indochina + Malaysia +Sg that i have discussed above. if you read carefully they do talk about taking a train to Bangkok from bandar malaysia. A double track rail could be build next to the HSR later.

blow water only.... dont shoot me... rclxms.gif







Cocoon
post Jan 4 2016, 05:22 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,117 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
QUOTE(frossonice @ Jan 4 2016, 02:17 PM)
Actually, from Singapore all the way to Vietnam, it is possible to use single type trainset and all of the route use Metre Gauge. That is why Malaysian trainset can travel all the way to Bangkok. China mostly use standard gauge which is bigger then metre gauge and can carry more load at faster speed too. In order for China to use Southeast Asia train route, they have to somehow transfer their load at border into smaller trainset.

If they don't mind, they can sponsor or atleast give soft loan to SEA countries to convert or to build new standard gauge rail lines.

The problem with metre gauge is the speed limit which is about 160 km/h and at most at 210km/h and that too only with heavily modified trainset in Australia.

With standard gauge, train can travel at speed more than 300km/h and carrying more loads. That is why in choosing HSR, I rather have TGV type rail system which use standard gauge. This might help if the HSR failed to make money since it can be converted to standard rail system anc cargo train can use it as well. If use Japanese Shinkansen system, once failed, nothing can be use on it anymore since it is highly dedicated rail lines.
*
very good!

sorry i dont have deep knowledge in train system. the only train i know is Thomas biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by Cocoon: Jan 4 2016, 05:22 PM
Cocoon
post Jan 5 2016, 04:07 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,117 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
QUOTE(proplens @ Jan 4 2016, 10:35 PM)
Why cant make the travel time shorter? As from the news, the nonstop services for the 330km route means only approx 220km/ph. Does not look high speed right. Thought can generally average 300km+?
*
Cannot la. Top speed 300km but average is always much lower than that.

I think u and I same, the only train we know is Thomas.
Cocoon
post Jan 8 2016, 11:16 AM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,117 posts

Joined: Feb 2011
can china build a thomas and friends. That will be fun rclxms.gif

 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0788sec    0.20    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 7th December 2025 - 10:10 PM