Dont worry la. China using their AIIB bank will bank roll the project. They need to spend their USD anyway. Low return or no return never mind.
They gain by winning over friends and goodwill.

They already done that with the 1MDB.
You help me, I help you.
Money politics.
WSJ and the western world can write all they want. Not gonna change a thing.
Najib regime and China regime same gang one.
Umno use 1MDB $ to buy the last election.
China use their USD $ to buy over 1MDB/ friends.




http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v8/ge/ne....php?id=1203527

This post has been edited by willyboy88: Jan 1 2016, 12:42 AM

hehehe....are u saying LRT/MRT will fail......it's cheaper to take a bus also?

It's not about cheaper or not ....it's about development e.g.
Giving people more options for transportation, develop the land, training and upgrading people, provide employment, provide an alternative for the economy to develop.
If China want to bank roll this project through AIIB bank (and I believe they will) ....let them be.
I believe they can built it economically due to over capacity in their home country HSR industry and the need for them to look for new market for expansion to keep their people employed and have work to do instead of protesting.
Malaysia/ South east asia can play their card in the battle of of the super powers China vs USA in South east Asia. (AIIB vs World Bank/IMF).
Currenty, Malaysia and certain south east asian countries e.g. Singapore, Brunei, Vietnam is being courted heavily by the US to counter China.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-asea...N0UD1QR20151230
While China is buying their way into this country.





This post has been edited by willyboy88: Jan 1 2016, 03:57 AM

Anything is possible.
Just look at the Indonesia HSR project bid by China. The Chinese is financing and building it.
The can do the same for the Malaysia - Singapore HSR bid.
The thing is...the chinese is holding on a mountain of USD reserves and they want to divest it into hard assets.
One day ....and I say one distance day decades into the future....they want to replace USD as the main reserves currency.
USD could be less valuable at that time....which is why they are using this period of strong USD to pay/bid for project at a premium price and at the same time diversifying their assets.

Also, its a win for China as the project will keep the people employed and occupied (instead of demonstrating against the communist party).
It will also lessen their current steel and cement over capacity and glut in China now.

Thus, the Chinese is more desperate than us for the project to go through.

So...there you go..if we use the same model like Indonesia HSR project
Malaysia - Singapore get their HSR without the tax payer money.
Malaysian who uses HSR will pay. Those not using HSR , no need to pay. At the same time, Malaysians will be employed in the HSR sectors e.g. training, tech transfer, HSR support industries,
China get part of the Silk road project accomplished , get to spend their mountain of USD, get to keep their people employed and busy, get to reduce their steel and cement over capacity.
It's a Win-win situation right?



"The Wall Street Journal reported that Gatot Trihargo, deputy minister for financial services at Indonesia’s Ministry of State-Owned Enterprises said China’s plan met Jakarta’s criteria that the project not depend on Indonesian financing or a loan guarantee. "

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/articl...d-rail-bet-pays

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_Indonesia

This post has been edited by willyboy88: Jan 1 2016, 08:24 AM

The chinese plan it for the long term one....e.g. 25-50 years instead of 5-20 years.
It may not look profitable in 5-20 years but over a period of 25-50 years it will especially for such an expensive project like HSR.

A lot of times .....it may not make sense in term of business profitability plan perspective.
But when you add in politics,pride and goodwill....those thing cannot be measure financially.

The Chinese face fierce competition from the Japanese.....Thus will do what it takes to win this project.

Failure to clinch this Singapore- KL project will set them back for years/decade and will be a major blow to their new silk road project and their dream of connecting southern China to Singapore by HSR. They will lose face in South East Asia also.
The Japanese want to spoil their plan e.g. a revenge from their failure in the Indonesia bid.

We , as Malaysian need to play our card well in the fight between China and Japan/USA (AIIB vs World Bank/ADB).
Perhaps we will get our HSR for free and at a very low cost (just like the Indonesia)

Personally, I wish the chinese bid would win.
It is not because I am Chinese Malaysian.
It is because it makes the most business sense to get a China/Kunmin - Laos - Cambodia - Bangkok - Haadyai - Penang - KL - Singapore HSR in place in the long term.
It will be a major boost to tourism in South East Asia. imagine a HSR Oriental express in the making.
You can have breakfast in Singapore, lunch in KL and dinner in Bangkok and a late nite supper in China or vice versa early breakfast in Southern China, lunch in Bangkok, dinner in KL and a late night party in Singapore hehehehe. Superb!
It will be one of the 'must do' thing to do for any tourist to Asia , just like the London - Paris route in Europe.
Who knows ....one day our children or grandchildren can take a HSR from London to Singapore.
HSR would be a boost to KL position as the business hub of South east asia as it is in between Bangkok and Singapore.

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ject/?style=biz

This post has been edited by willyboy88: Jan 3 2016, 02:49 AM

A London - Paris - Moscow - Kazakshtan - China - Thailand - KL - Singapire HSR tour trip will be an experience of a lifetime.hehehehehe
Everything start with a dream. It could be a reality in 20-30 years time if not sooner.
http://www.budgettravel.com/blog/china-to-...o-europe,11163/

Yes I agree. We can see all the sign why China want this South east asia HSR to be built.
They are being strangled in their eastern sea board by Japan.

While the world is focusing on China reclaiming and building an island in the Spratlys .....a development by Japan that is not in the headline news just confirm and make it clearer to us what their objective e.g. growing an island to shut the Chinese from the Pacific ocean way .
Japan grows an island to check China’s territorial ambitions - FT.com http://on.ft.com/22t4fnO via @FT
http://news.usni.org/2015/12/24/cabinet-ap...-defense-budget

The thing is...both our big brothers in the north (China and Japan) has been fighting for decades.
China has been the weaker brother for the most of the last 100 years....well that explain why most of us (Malaysia chinese) end up in Malaysia. .
China is just starting to re-assert itself in the last few years and the Japanese will not give it up that easily.
The fight is on the security and defense front and also on the economic front.
The recent drop in yuan can also be linked to the 30% devaluations of the yen in the past 2 years. Each of them trying to be more competitive economically.

Malaysia and South east asia is just the play ground for our big brothers to fight it out.
In general, Malaysia is a very lucky country. It has many stars aligned to rescue her when ever she is in trouble.
got Japanese star, Middle east star, American star and now the Chinese star hehehe

We should keep our muhibah spirit alive and ride out the bad times.
The depress level of the ringgit and the Jib kor scandal shall pass in the next 1-3 years if we can hold it together instead of succumbing to the different extremist view within the country. When we start to kill each other on the street ......no stars can save us.

Anyway, back to HSR. I think this is going to be built over time.
It could be the cash cow for Jib Kor and his gang to get his funding to buy his next election....who knows .. LOL.

This post has been edited by willyboy88: Jan 4 2016, 04:02 AM

I don't know.
Like I say earlier....everything start with a dream.
If I am not able to live to make this trip...I hope my children or their kids will be able to one day.

https://youtu.be/0YL8q0JRGm0

This post has been edited by willyboy88: Jan 4 2016, 11:41 AM

Kawan,
Thailand already way ahead compared to us on the construction of HSR. You can read and view all about it here.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.p...1604117&page=20

Malaysia should have the majority say in this project as the bulk of the line is in Malaysia.
Malaysia - abang, Singapore - adik
abang say 1, adik also force to say 1 also la. even though adik prefer 2. or adik throw a temper tantrum
if abang and adik gaduh....we will see whether the ayah or the ibu (China and Japan) can give the best and biggest candy to calm them down.
Eventually ,,,abang and adik will side with the parent that can give the best candy to sooth them down ...hehehehehe

This post has been edited by willyboy88: Jan 14 2016, 07:18 AM

wah kl-sg in 30 minutes.
hehehehe....we will get there one day.
I am not well verse with HSR technology but I think for us the most important is to lay a standard HSR rail track that will allow for future faster train upgrade.
e.g. swap to faster train but using existing HSR rail track.

if we can really have kl-sg in 30 minutes at 500km/h or more.....we will have a major boom in Klang Valley Home prices..as we catch up in price with Singapore.
e.g. people can live in KL and commute to Singapore daily on super HSR.

Look at it another way.
More Singaporean come here to dine, shop, weekend trip in KV etc.=> More GST collected.
As a result more employment in services sector locally => more income tax
Also, more Singaporean want to own a weekend home in KV => More property tax collected
In addition to that, there will be multinationals that may look into relocating their office to KV since rent and cost is cheaper than Singapore => more corporate tax collection.

At the end of it...all even out la. hahahaha.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016...peed-train-the/

haha


Give the project to China...with their excess USD capital, excess cement, excess steel, excess manpower..

we could get the HSR in no time potentially free or charge full financing and operated under ' pay by use' model e.g. you use, you pay, you dont use, you dont pay.

Let's not burden our budget with this project. Let the Chinese finance and built it for us.

Consider that they have longer HSR in service than all the rest of the world combined....I have not heard of any other accident other than the one at Wenzhou.
The Chinese learn their lesson They wont want to do a sloppy work on this area as they have identify the HSR industry as one of their main export industry.

e.g. they are trying to export it to USA e.g. bidding for the Los Angeles - San Francisco HSR .

Why dont we build the world first Hyperloop in between KL - Singapore instead.
Distance from KL to Singapore is approx 310km.
At 1000km per hour...the commute time from KL - Singapore should be just 20-30 minutes .
It's cheaper to build Hyperloop than HSR.
https://youtu.be/6x_IB45ySAQ

https://youtu.be/7A7GsAPR3J0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Hs0r5RUww

hahaha...it's like saying who dare to ride a jumbo jet with 200-300 people in it and fly 8 hours across the ocean 60 years ago.

the Hyperloop technology is too new. It need time to work out the engineering issues etc.
Good thing is..it could be a reality sooner than people anticipate.
http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/29/what-yo...bout-hyperloop/

20-40 years from now...a hyperloop ride from KL to Singapore within 20-30 minutes could be a reality.

Just like the possibility of your car automatically drive you from KL - Singapore which can be done right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yCAZWdqX_Y

This post has been edited by willyboy88: May 11 2016, 01:36 PM

In Malaysia ....maybe have to wait until our grandkids lol

BUT for 'old people' like us, it is more suitable to have a 'Knight Rider' auto driving car to drive us automatically or semi automatically along North South Highway from KL to Singapore.
It can be done today already.
Imagine driving 'hands free' and 'leg free' along North South Highway.
Scary isnt it? LOL

This post has been edited by willyboy88: May 11 2016, 09:12 PM

North south highway should be OK kua.

See this video is trending on Facebook now....guy sleeping while his Tesla drive him home LOL
https://youtu.be/sXls4cdEv7c

Who need KL-SIN HSR when u can hop in the comfort of your own car and the computer will drive u automatically from KL to Singapore through North South Highway .
Door to door some more and no need to carry heavy luggage up and down the HSR train.

I am just kidding only la. Dont blast me on this.

The point I want to make is.....by the time HSR is built in god knows 5-10 years time.. commuters will potentially have other alternatives like auto car which allow them to hop in the car and 'relax' while the car drive them to Singapore, Penang, Kuantan, Terrenganu etc LOL

haha....I know what you mean la.
The whole AI software cannot be programmed to handle some 'crazy' Malaysians driving style ..

Lol. Yes. If pass Malaysian road and stress test by Malaysian driving style ..sure pass every where else in the world.