Old thread over 2500 post, time for a V2

I'll slowly update this first post, have to go through 120+ pages.

V1 by megat69 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1407757

Tentative specs :


Updated specs :


Videos :

Nu Engine Commercial(No GDI and CVVL for Malaysia spec)


Elantra MD Nu 1.8 Idle Start(Korea test car, and this is NOT a spycam)


Escort Headlight System Demonstration


FAQs :


This post has been edited by FluidicSculpture: Feb 1 2012, 07:41 PM

Nice........price tag? and i heard rattling sound..lolz

Sales department said as quoted "c-segment car with a c-segment price"

The rattling sound I think they took the car apart too often already

I am having a real bad feeling that the 1.8 premium spec is gonna be around RM130k. The 1.6 Hi-spec is probably more inline to RM110k....

Hopefully i am wrong.

This post has been edited by Madgeiser: Jan 2 2012, 11:29 PM

Alamak, why only 2 airbags?

Impossible la bro, how can the price so close to Sonata, anyway C segment car price for H & T is RM110+ k, however Kia Forte 2.0 also in same segment but price is RM 98k, so which standard to follow? I guess lower than both J car and higher than Kia

How come the car is left handed? I heard people talking "cantonese" and guess this car is in Msia. Just curious........

hopefully da 1.8 version around / below 110k, XD
current altis 1.8 high spec 123k
current civic 1.8 high spec 116k
if this 1 can make it below below 110k den really gud~~ XD

u got see the video uploader is who or not..? is bro Fluid la.. LOL.. of course its in Msia.. LOL....

I hope you are right, else my plan of owning an Elantra will not materialize.

Civic 1.8 high spec is 120k bro.

Why they not came with 1.8 basic and high spec / premium. So we got more choice, and i don't think everyone need the sunroof.

oh my mistake, XD

Chongkor,
Maybe they think not all customer need 1.8ltr engine.
Same wt T & H strategy, they usually choose not to sell any variant for their highest CC/ engine car. For example altis & civic got only 1 version of 2.0cc.
Same also wt accord or camry 2.4cc, 1 version. When altis got 1.6 & 1.8 only, they also sell only one variant of 1.8cc.

This post has been edited by khusyairi: Jan 3 2012, 11:05 AM

I will buy if below 100k.. which i think.impossible..

me too

I think the 1.6 Spec should be below RM100k.

Agreed. If the price gap is too small then it´ll be different scenario

still hoping for the best in terms of pricing...

If 1.8 price is more than 100k
I'll cancel the car's booking and fill up money refundable form

Where did you place your booking?

Judging from the feedback so far, you may have to start filling up the form already

LOL. Exactly. +1. Like.

Or get 1.6 standard spec.

HQ Glenmarie. Booking is refundable.
Just to make sure I am one of the first who drove 1.8 elantra, but if the pricing is right for me
If not I still happy with my Forte

do not misunderstand me. Now I'm trying to psycho hyundai malaysia. Haha
Try to send message to them to reduce a profit margin but then will earn more sale

Exactly, I know what you mean. I agree with you , if the price is too close to those more established makes , most people would rather go for the more established makes.

Chev Cruze 1.8 not a bad option at 98k.

Or 2.0 Forte? jal2005 are you having problems with yr forte? It´s a 1.6 or 2.0?

Mine is 1.6sx. I'm satisfied owner of the car. Drive still feel like new even near to 50k odo and 2 years.
But plan to change to Elanta 1.8 because I like the NU engine

Bro, you must be earning good money. Just 2 years change car aleady.

This post has been edited by sochaiapk: Jan 3 2012, 05:33 PM

Dont opp for 1.6, it's a bit underpower, 2.0 used the engine same as Inspira and Lancer.

ei, for the record, different engine la.

Frankly, I find the 2.0 forte value for money , not bad an option

Now come with free 2 years maintenance. More value for money.

Inspira 2.0 also now rm6.5k discount... More value for money... So whats value left for elantra now heh...

Still can see 9000 discount in mudah for Inspira...

same feeling....

This is one of the key feature, besides VSM, TCS, ESC, EBD, ABS, and brake assist.

Hopefully SD doesnt remove the side impact beams........

Do you guys think the price for high spec 1.6 will be similar with Forte 1.6sx?

That's why I only can afford if the price is below 100k

Believe me, you only can notice the underpower when car's speed from 160km to top speed. no pick-up yet.
2nd when you drive to genting with full board. If just 2 adults inside, you can maintain gear at D.
And think about if the gamma 1.6 engine is not power enough to carry Forte body, why kimchi place 17' wheel?
But I agree 2.0 is most suitable engine for Forte and 1.6 is still enough.

Should be higher gua.

Have u asked SA how much you can trade in your 2 years car?
If you borrowed maximum amount last time, then you still need to pay bank the difference right. Plus the 10% for the new car,that is a lot
Keep the Forte lah since you are still happy with it.

Changing cars every 2 years? Why bother wasting money like this? Its either ure really very rich or just not financially prudent. Focus on property. Cars are always a losing commodity.

you're right my friends
But I couldn't stand if elantra 1.8 is around 100k

so u wanna sell off your current ride?have u checked the value of forte now?2nd hand value of korean sucks bro

Suck your own eggs bro. Have you even bothered to check? Don't simply talk with your other mouth.

already checked bro, my boss wanna sell his forte bought last year 80k..now when he wanna sell,can get 60k only..

sorry my friend to say that's a mindset of malaysian
now our worlds is changing, korean car has improve a lot. even elantra was the 2nd world's top selling car 2011
you can check at mudah.my or other site to get the 2nd hand value of forte, but not many myb there's a good car
actually I have 2 interested buyer willing buy my car around 66k. I need to pay 61k++ to settlement the car at bank
so I can say its not sucks anymore

Forte 2nd hand value sucks because its sales is bad…we can expect the same thing if Elantra sales is bad also.

ask your boss to advertise the car on net. There's a lot people out there looking for the car...
even at end of the last year if I wanna to trade-in my car with sonata, they willing to pay 65k

lol...of coz can get higher if sell to direct owner... try go ask those 2nd car dealer what is the price for forte now...and if sell direct..tonne of paper works need to do... lol...

IMHO, used car dealer tends to push down the price of your car regardless of it is Japanese or Korean. One must understand that they are taking a risk of not being able to sell the car and the value will depreciate the longer they hold their stock. Therefore the hot model tends to fetch higher price coz the stock turnover time is shorter and therefore the risk is lower. No doubt , selling to direct buyer involves more hassles but the money save is yours in the end. There is also the risk of many con job nowadays that we read on newspaper which might deter seller from dealing with direct buyer.

selling off a 1 year old car would bring u roughly the same returns as a 2 year old car. what did he expect?

Agreed. The moment the car is out on the road, the value depreciates by 20% regardless of make/model.
Even my mate driving a 400K BMW knows that (so he advised me to buy a house instead!!)

Below are a bunch of links to a 2010 car, averaging at 115K. New car is 131K on the road without discount.

131K - 115K = 16K

16K/131K x 100% = 12% depreciation over 2 years. That's 6% a year.

What I do not understand is what's so special with the Honda Civic 2.0? Is the car SO DESIRABLE?

http://www.mudah.my/Honda+Civic+2+0+I+VTEC+A-13161172.htm

http://www.mudah.my/Honda+Civic+2+0A+NEW+f...10-13111583.htm

http://www.mudah.my/Honda+Civic+2+0+Facelift-12710027.htm

http://www.mudah.my/Honda+Civic+2+0A+NEW+f...10-13111608.htm

http://www.mudah.my/Honda+Civic+2+0+IVTEC+...10-13096981.htm

http://www.mudah.my/Honda+Civic+2+0+S+i+VT...FT-13079278.htm

http://www.mudah.my/Honda+Civic+I+Vtec+2+0-13031080.htm

http://www.mudah.my/Honda+Civic+2+0+IVTEC-13030707.htm

The rest of the search can be found here.

http://www.mudah.my/li?fs=1&ca=9_s&th=1&q=...pe=16&rs=30&re=

This post has been edited by tunasandwich: Jan 4 2012, 05:39 PM

131k is OTR price. If minus insurance, 3.5k, the depreciation for 2 years is only 12.5k.
Those who willing to pay 115k + insurance + transfer fee for a 2 years car I must really respect them.

second hand car interest is higher too.

end up more expensive than new car.

then how come so tahan the 2nd hand value?!?!

it's the mind set of these people la effff-ing up the 2nd hand car market... pls wake up!!!! T&H don't deserve this!!!!

Suree Elantra migth be an awesome car... infact I'm very impressed with Hyuundai quality so far after clocking over 150,000km on mine.

However... a Toyota that cost about 15k more then my hyundai when i bougth it new... now... 2nd hand value is worth 30k more then my car. So I lost quite abit...

I dont forsee this changing since Malaysian mindset is still T&H = Godly

This is REALLY making reconsider getting another Hyundai cause I'm not goign to hug and drive that car for 20 years... and I dont like losing 15~20k when I wanna trade in my car in the next 4~5 years..

I think proton second handvalue higher than koreans..
If u like thecar.. just buy it.. fark the resale value..

lol...how abt 2nd hand value of Mazda3?

Heh.. I also like Evo X.. should I just fark the price/bank loan and just buy it?

Maybe it's just me... but I dont liek throwing away hard earned cash

er...hyundai coupe ar?

Exactly. That summarizes why the price of Elantra matters to most people, because car prices here are simply ridiculously high so people will want to make sure they spend their hard earned money wisely.

Is this true? Cos if it is, it sure is a pretty preposterous price...

Kereta Hyundai Elantra Baru

disappointing.... but definiteily possible....... really disappointing though....

then 1.6 sure near around 100k.......

Wont la, the spec for 1.6 and 1.8 so much different. It must not more than 95k for high spec,

this one is not for sale in malaysia, it is left hand drive

that's only the imported training unit dude

I sold my last two cars and another two for my family through mudah. Direct buyers all of them. The paperwork is actually nothing much la, if you wan I have a friend who can do all the running and paperwork for less than RM500, including helping your buyer to process the bank loan. Honda Accord 2.4 iVTEC, Civic FD and two Kelisas. All so-called "hot models", still I ended between 3-7k richer. Worth it loh if you know how to play the game. Otherwise end up losing a lot of money to used car dealers. Cannot blame them la, cari makan mah.

Nowadays, used car dealers are not very interested in taking cars because they have so many unsold stocks, many prefer to do trade in with their existing stocks.

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Added on January 5, 2012, 1:59 amLet's see. Bought new at 81,800 I presume, the older 1.6 SX 4-speeder. Deduct the insurance and road tax, nett buying price around RM79k. Dunno got any discounts or not.

Anyway, the used car dealer takes it for 60k. He sells it for 66k. Buyer pays 66k plus ins+runner fees+processing fees etc, end up paying 68k++.

You don't really know the system. New cars always put in the insurance etc so buyers can get a higher loan. Used cars always take away the ins etc so the selling price seems low.

If your boss can sell direct, he only lost 13k which is just slightly higher than the "hot" cars which lose around 10k after the first year.

1 yr old cars lose the most because of the cost of borrowing. New cars have lower interest while used cars are usually 1-2% higher than new car interest. So in order to make a 1 yr old car attractive to a prospect, the difference in repayment between a new car and a 1 yr old car must be more than RM100 per month, otherwise who dafak will buy a used car? Unnerstan now?

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Added on January 5, 2012, 2:02 amNormally you can't take a straight line depreciation method cos the first year the car will lose more, then tapers off from 2nd yr onwards.

Ya, the Civic FD/FD2 and Myvi are the country's two best performing residual value cars ever! Only in Msia, mind you.

This post has been edited by gregy: Jan 5 2012, 02:02 AM

if higher why not just go for Forte... you get more features to play around and save couple of bucks

Gd explanation bro. javascript:emoticon(':thumbs:')
I experienced that to sold my car before at mudah. The work is not that difficult.
But you must have free time lah to go to bank, puspakom, JPJ and etc. But worth it...

any idea if 1.6 full spec comes with auto cruise?

I think is possible to price elantra 1.6 around 80k and 1.8 around 100k
because they change what logo from hyundai to inokom
from there how much they can save a tax
play psycho again I hope SD will read this to consider. Haha...

Why do ppl keep slamming the so called 'Malaysian Mindset'? Ask yourselves this: HOW WAS THIS MINDSET CREATED IN THE FIRST PLACE?

That's an important question. Mindsets are created based on experiences. Many of you are using the current Korean makes as examples to slam those with the so called 'anti Korean' mindset. But let me tell you that it was the Koreans themselves which created this mindset by giving us crap cars in the past. Go read up about Korean cars since the 1980's and ull see all the horror stories. We are not talking about 1 or 2 cases mind you.

The Japanese built their reputation over a long period. Ask any of our older generation of elders and they will mostly say that Toyota is the brand of choice even compared to some European makes. Right from the Toyota LE days which span more than 30 years. While the Koreans were busy producing crappy models (although not all), the Japanese were busy establishing themselves in the mind and hearts of their users. Loyalty isnt created overnight.

So now that the Koreans have awakened from their slumber and realised that they need to produce better cars before they become obsolete, we are getting better products with better specs and more futuristic designs. This is a good effort but to expect that the mentality of the ppl will change overnight just because of some good designs and specs is too much to ask for. The Japs took more than 30 years to build up the reputation they currently enjoy. Do u actually expect mentality changes and loyalty swings just cuz the Koreans came out with the Forte, Sportage, Sonata, Optima, etc in the last 3 years?

It will be a slow process which the Koreans need to patiently endure and persevere. Durability is still something that people are generally pessimistic about the Korean makes. Again dont blame them. End users did not merely imagine bad quality, they experienced it themselves. Ive got a Korean make in my home and im not impressed with its build quality at all. While there may be a few cases of good experiences among older Korean makes, but the general picture isnt good at all. But once ppl have the confidence, sales will improve and with that resale values will increase.

With the Koreans picking up steam, it only means that the Japanese cannot afford to relax any more and merely bank on loyalty to boost sales. They have to come up with better designs and specs to match the Koreans. All this means we the end users will get better products and more choice.

Cheers!

Resale value is also an important factor. You can say "don't care" for now, of course as you are owning it now and enjoying the driving and you don't think about selling it or changing it. But down the road, if you want to change new car, the downpayment is really matter to us. You need to get more from your own pocket for it and usually this is the main problem to us. Actually good resale value has its reasons behind. For sure must be the car is a trusted brand and easy to trade in/out.

Anyway, i'll still get the Elantra and hoping the resale value is not that bad.... Thought of getting first batch as CBU but most likely not the case.

good one.

actually if we really wanna see the design difference between korean and japs, you can try to sit in kia forte, and then you can try maybe civic or city.

Immediately you can notice, korean is trying too hard. the interior is too busy. like clothes, you cant have too many colours on you in one time. THis is the styling difference, they saw too many nice stuff, so they wanna cramp it all in one car.

As oppose to local design, they saw all the crappy stuff, so they can only give you crappy interior. THe jap has their direction in the interior, for civic, its futuristic, so you see minimalist and futuristic design. CIty, the car is entry level, so, keep it simple and functional.

Even BMW, they want you to concentrate driving, so the interior is very bland and nothing to show off. While kia, is trying very hard to get the WOW factor from you. But no worries, its not a bad thing, they will only get better and better.

Once again, japanese is all about reliability. no one bothers to challenge them on this. And resale value is all about reliability. Who is going to buy your second hand car? rich ppl or not so rich ppl? Those not so rich ppl, what do they think about? They wanna save more money, so they are willing to pay more for cars that are reliable(that they think is reliable).

To them, even local car is reliable, simple because its everywhere, spare parts, service center, acc shop. THey feel safe by buying a car thats available everywhere. Unless you have 3 cars in your garage, otherwise, one will even worry what will happen when their ferrari fails.

And the reputation of reliable is not built over night. Korean car's 10 years warranty in US is not transferable, but its a start, to let ppl notice them. We consumer will definitely benefit from this korean vs jap car war. So now Kia is giving 5 years unlimited warranty, and VW too, to give owner a peace of mind. While jap car, no one ever question why they only give 3 years/100k. Simple, they are proven(at least public mindset is) .

Sorry tldr

But talk is cheap, action speaks louder then words. I had never bought a T or H car in my life so far. Have you?

Only the 1.8 is getting auto-cruise.

Bro, I have a 2006 Honda Civic (1.8) and 2010 Kia Forte (1.6). And honestly both are good reliable cars, with no major problems from either.

When I got the Forte, I had some minor rattling in the seat belt area which was rectified by SC. Other than that, after 1.5 years, still drives like a new car and I have no regrets buying it whatsoever. The car is way quieter and refined compared to the H. City (costs RM 8k more) and fits my budget perfectly. I have set in previous Kia’s - before Forte and the quality was crap… but since the Forte, Kia (and Hyundai, I presume), the Koreans have improved by leaps and bounds. Btw, the NVH in my Forte is way, way, way better than the Civic!

Compare Inspira and Forte – the Forte’s switches feel much more tactile and premium, even the doors close with a solid thud. Next time, try for yourself.

I don’t get this constant bashing of Koreans and japs…. Just saying that the Koreans have closed the quality gap

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Added on January 5, 2012, 11:46 amRM110k for 1.8 Elantra is like commiting harakiri!!

Hopefully its only speculation

This post has been edited by WheelieWonka: Jan 5 2012, 11:46 AM

it's not why Korean cars resale value is bad, but why the Civic's resale value is so good? a depreciation of 16K over 2 years for a 131K car...

why would ppl even allow this?

see, even you(who has both civic and forte) cannot accept 110k for 1.8 elantra.

but how come many ppl can accept 120k for 1.8 civic?(yours should be 115k when you bought)

can you share why do you think elantra cannot be 10k cheaper? must be much much more cheaper?

can you give a review on the handling of both civic and fote?

This post has been edited by turbocharged: Jan 5 2012, 11:57 AM

Read my previous threads. Ive been a proud Toyota user for the past 8.5 years for reasons which ive clearly mentioned many times. But im still keeping an open mind for my next car upgrade.

Cause u pay 10k more for Civic but your resale value is 30k more then Korean cars. Overall gain 20k.

So you need Korean cars to be EVEN cheaper to make up for the 2nd hand value loss

Resale values are determined by demand which is always a reflection of original sales. Its not just the Civic which has good resale values. Take a look at the Toyota Vios. A 2003 model (1st gen) Vios 1.5E sells for about 40K now. Thats a depreciation of only 46% over 8 yrs which roughly works out to be 5.75% per year. Why? Because of demand plus original sales. The Vios is the best selling non national car. Even the new gen Honda City can't match the Vios despite better looks and specs.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 5 2012, 12:05 PM

that's a beauty of malaysia
if other country the car is no value at all
still people think cars here is expensive
p/s: just my opinion. No need to debate ya

y the price is up?
because hyundai saw the demand on this page,

I rather get a japanese still for the price....

While a Hyundai Accent 1.5 2004 is what? 17k RM? So... Hyundai cars have to be 20k+ lower then Toyota before its value for money

Do u know anything bout taxation on motor vehicles in Malaysia? People dont THINK cars here are expensive. They ARE expensive. Resale value is more important here because of the initial high prices ure paying for cars.

A new BMW 328i costs only US$40K in America. (Dont do a currency exchange as u are not a tourist). So with such low prices would anybody bother about resale value? Surely not. But we can't say the same about Malaysia can we? Our cars cost approx 6X more than many other countries.

yes the same thing ive been saying from before. For the Koreans to match the Japs here in Malaysia, they need to distance themselves from the Japs. The Sonata came too close to the Camry & Accord and look at their sale figures. But then again, to the Koreans Malaysia isnt a primary target for sales.

Even with currency exchange I'll gladly pay RM120k today for a BM328i new car

totally agreed with ur bro, or else get Forte.
I also think same thing during place the elantra's booking. dont want to show a demand. But at the end book jugak lah

Lets make simple calculation
US40k = 120k
after 5 years you lost 120k. Not including expensive insurance.
malaysia you bought it let say 280k
after 5 years you can sell it at least 140k
you lost 140k

This post has been edited by jai2005: Jan 5 2012, 12:31 PM

this 1 gonna be very hard to customize/change after market HU....

1) I didnt know US scrap their car to zero value after 5 years.
2) Fresh grad with their 3K USD/mth salary can afford a BMW328i, your KL fresh grad can?