Civic 1.8 high spec is 120k bro.

Suck your own eggs bro. Have you even bothered to check? Don't simply talk with your other mouth.

I sold my last two cars and another two for my family through mudah. Direct buyers all of them. The paperwork is actually nothing much la, if you wan I have a friend who can do all the running and paperwork for less than RM500, including helping your buyer to process the bank loan. Honda Accord 2.4 iVTEC, Civic FD and two Kelisas. All so-called "hot models", still I ended between 3-7k richer. Worth it loh if you know how to play the game. Otherwise end up losing a lot of money to used car dealers. Cannot blame them la, cari makan mah.

Nowadays, used car dealers are not very interested in taking cars because they have so many unsold stocks, many prefer to do trade in with their existing stocks.

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Added on January 5, 2012, 1:59 amLet's see. Bought new at 81,800 I presume, the older 1.6 SX 4-speeder. Deduct the insurance and road tax, nett buying price around RM79k. Dunno got any discounts or not.

Anyway, the used car dealer takes it for 60k. He sells it for 66k. Buyer pays 66k plus ins+runner fees+processing fees etc, end up paying 68k++.

You don't really know the system. New cars always put in the insurance etc so buyers can get a higher loan. Used cars always take away the ins etc so the selling price seems low.

If your boss can sell direct, he only lost 13k which is just slightly higher than the "hot" cars which lose around 10k after the first year.

1 yr old cars lose the most because of the cost of borrowing. New cars have lower interest while used cars are usually 1-2% higher than new car interest. So in order to make a 1 yr old car attractive to a prospect, the difference in repayment between a new car and a 1 yr old car must be more than RM100 per month, otherwise who dafak will buy a used car? Unnerstan now?

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Added on January 5, 2012, 2:02 amNormally you can't take a straight line depreciation method cos the first year the car will lose more, then tapers off from 2nd yr onwards.

Ya, the Civic FD/FD2 and Myvi are the country's two best performing residual value cars ever! Only in Msia, mind you.

This post has been edited by gregy: Jan 5 2012, 02:02 AM

Sorry loh, the best selling non national car is the Civic loh... especially the EF, EG and FD.

Btw, how come all your posts have to centre around the Vios? Do you know any other cars or not? Getting tired listening to your pristine-condition-never break down-high resale value Toyota Vios. Sudah lah.

You can easily get an aftermarket HU and bracket. Almost all modern cars are made this way, not only Hyundai. As long as you drive a popular model, chances are high that somebody will bring in the bracket and customised HU for your model. Relax

Well, look on the bright side. At least you don't have to pay SGD105k to drive an Elantra in SG

The average Joe Singapore earns around 2-4k per month, just like your average Joe Malaysia.

This post has been edited by gregy: Jan 5 2012, 02:11 PM

Ya, but they are offering 10 yr loans to pay off a car. Doesn't it tell you something? At the end of the day, LPPL la. Not vastly different. Only difference is when they come over here for shopping they can spend easily cos it's cheap for them lol...

Well. Let's take a look at it from another perspective, since you mentioned that a Dollar spent in SG gets you more value than a Ringgit spent in Msia.

In that respect, it would mean our average bread and butter cars are, lo and behold, actually cheaper than an equivalent in SG. That's my point. I don't care if you want to call it COE or excise duty, regardless, this money has to be factored into car ownership costs, period. And at this period in time, an Elantra in SG costs more to own than here, because:

SGD1 > RM1, dollar to dollar, SGD100,000 > RM100,000, dollar to dollar too, yes?


Who cares about needing a car or not? Most participants in this thread are prospective buyers, so the question of needing a car or not, is moot. Moreover, a car may be a necessity in Msia, but a 100k car is NOT a necessity when you can buy a Myvi or Saga FLX for half the price or less. Anyone looking at an Elantra is not in the "Need a Car" category but belongs in the "Must Have It" category.

And seriously, (not you) what is there to moan about the speculative prices of the Elantra variants? When it launches we will know for sure. Then let your voice be heard by voting with your wallets.

Are you for real? Dollar to dollar means we don't convert. But it doesn't mean equal purchasing power. SG's purchasing power is higher than Msia as we both agree. Hence, you can do a lot more with SGD100,000 than you can with RM100,000, WITHOUT CONVERTING JACK. So someone paying SGD100,000 for an Elantra means he is paying more than someone in Msia paying RM100,000. Get it?

You said it yourself, sunnyboy. A kopi-o in SG costs less than in Msia, without conversion. And I do know a McValue meal costs around SGD5-7, among other things. And here:

http://www.xpatxperience.com/makinghome/si...of_living.shtml

http://www.livinginsingapore.org/costofliving

http://www.contactsingapore.sg/interactive...ing_calculator/



This post has been edited by gregy: Jan 5 2012, 05:58 PM

Now you're being silly, sunnyboy. I was talking about the Elantra all along. I don't care and have never started talking about ALL CARS in SG. Yes, luxury autos are relatively cheap to own in SG, but you must be able to reach that level to talk about it. And based on your understanding on things, I don't think you're there yet. This is an Elantra thread, unnerstan?

Go back a few pages and read your own comments. I started out by saying an Elantra costs about SGD105,000 so the poster that I was replying to wouldn't feel that above RM100k was too much, i.e., in comparison, we are not the only country with high car prices.

Then you waltz in with your stupid retort saying COE this that and the other, how it was fixed la and all that BS. So what if it was fixed? Will it change the fact that someone who wants to buy a brand new Elantra in SG would have to pay SGD105k? COE is money that you have to pay anyhow. Btw how is COE fixed? It floats on an open bidding market. Msian tax rates are fixed and tiered, relative to the book price of the car.

Then you, pea brain, stupidly had to go and say that a cup of black Joe in SG is cheaper than in Msia, without conversion. Great, shoot yourself in the foot. I merely took the opportunity to use that shot foot of yours to reiterate relative purchasing power between these two countries to conclude that at current prices, all in, we will get the Elantra with less money than in SG.

So why bring in luxury car prices? So out of context. Say la paralympic next time, if I had known you were an OKU I would have spared you. Or perhaps you're just an Otak Kepala Udang who can't debate with proper facts but with mere conjecture.


P.S.- I challenge you NOT to reply as you've said. LOL...

This post has been edited by gregy: Jan 5 2012, 06:38 PM

The new Forte will be based on the current Elantra platform, just as the current Forte is based on the outgoing Avante, but I believe it will have its fans in those who dislike the smiley face of the current Elantra and the weird as hell nose job on the current Sonata. Kia fans are more into German inspired styling, and in that respect the current Forte is not outdated, compared to the soon to be launched Civic and current Altis. Also, in some ways the Elantra is more suited to the younger set who want a racy looking car while the Forte appeals to those who are a bit more laidback and don't mind conservative styling but more features.

And sometimes newer doesn't mean better, as in the case of the 2012 Civic and current Dugong. The original Vios still looks better and more dependable than the Dugong although the former's design dates back to 2003.

Anyway don't expect the Forte's replacement to come so soon. The current facelift is only a year old. Perhaps there will be an engine refresh as mentioned by someone here. The thing about buying cars is you should buy when you need to, not wait until the cows come home, for there will always be a better model down the road. Just decide what you want and bite the bullet.

Imagine a couple who've been together for years. Hyundai is the man, Hyundai owners collectively is the woman. Now imagine that at the beginning, the man wooed the woman with plenty of promises and his dashing Korean good looks. The woman finally agrees to take the man home to live together as a couple. It was good for the first few years, then suddenly, that handsome Korean man this woman married turned out to be a real liability, being a guzzler and always costs a bomb with every trip to the clinic (service centre).

Worse still, her friends all married Japanese men and report that their husbands are generally problem free, just like their fathers and their fathers before them. They ridicule this woman for having been sweet talked into marrying a Korean man who's only good on the outside but rotten to the core. It's become so bad that when she tried to trade him in for a better husband, the husband traders didn't want to take in any Korean men.

One day, she meets a new man. A young, extremely handsome Korean man with plenty of muscles and a long and sturdy gearstick. He tries to seduce her, but in the back of her mind, the rotten memories of her previous experience with a Korean man has left her jaded with anything Korean. Nonetheless, this new handsome man tells her that he's different, that he doesn't need to visit the clinic as often as previous generation Korean men, that he will give her the ultimate ride of her life!

In the back of her mind, she is thinking to herself, "Should I trust this new Korean guy, or should I listen to all my other friends and go with a Jap instead?. A Japanese man does nothing for me, but after all the pain that I've been through, will I risk it all and go Korean again?"

In the meantime, this clueless new Korean man who thinks so highly of himself, and for good reason, since he's a much improved version of his predecessor and knows that the woman will not go wrong in choosing him, refuses to oversell himself to her, and instead waits patiently at the side, hoping that the woman will eventually come to her senses and make the right choice. He is unaware of the personal conflict brewing within this woman, and the fact that she is really keen to take him in, and all he needs to do to convince her, is to....



This post has been edited by gregy: Jan 6 2012, 04:44 PM

But it didn't mention whether this is for the high spec or low spec version. As I know, the high spec version is selling better than the low spec version. Same with Forte EX and Inspira 1.8M, plenty of discounts. Thanks to this sort of market feedback, it's no wonder that SD decided to bring in a high spec Elantra fully loaded and charge a premium for it. When faced with a high spec and low spec variant, majority will opt for the high spec variant because even if the difference was 8-10k, once you spread it out in a loan it won't be that big a difference.

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Added on January 7, 2012, 4:53 amPpl already gave you the straight answer, you still kept digging, so I gave you a "comprehensive" answer loh lol...

It was merely tongue-in-cheek, but the moral of the mad story was that as what cybermaster said, reputation takes years to build. If this coming Elantra was a successor to a highly successful model, which sadly it's not, people won't forget Hyundai's and Kia's past disasters and would really think more than twice before signing a new loan for another Korean car. And as Msian car buyers are very price sensitive, especially involving prices in excess of RM70k (where most non-national brands reside), demand for Korean cars is still largely quite elastic.

For Hyundai (and Kia with the high pricing on the Optima), most people here are of the opinion that it's still too soon to sharpen the blade. Maybe in a few more years when the current Forte, Sonata, new Elantra and Optima have proven themselves to be resistant to ridiculous price slashing and expensive repairs, i.e., held up to the test of time, then only can they safely bring on the sharpest blades. It's just too plain cocky to expect Msian car buyers to suddenly flock over to a Korean marque based on the flavour of the month.

A simple question you need to ask yourself is this: Are Hyundais a little too out there in terms of design? Remember the Coupe? That car looked interesting enough for a small group of high risk takers to take up the offer, but less than a decade down the road, all previous gens except the current one which is more conservative, the Coupe looks so outdated, simply because when you are too flashy with your designs, it will not withstand the test of time.

Same reason that 90% of all cars (only cars, not all vehicles) sold in the country are sedans and not 3-door hatchbacks or estates.

This post has been edited by gregy: Jan 7 2012, 04:53 AM

Ampun toongku, beribu ribu ampun, sorry to spoil your viewing pleasure of this thread with useless banter. Maybe toongku can contribute to the discussion with interesting topics related to the car than just waiting to be spoonfed? Google is your buddy, buddy.

Still butthurt over the cent/km thing? What a little boy. Ok, please quote whatever you think is right. You can go leak whatever la, trying to act like a man but butthurt over the littlest things. If you can't take the heat don't stand too close to the fire. Never heard of it? LOL...

For the record, little boy, I never start any topic nor derail it on purpose. Only correcting facts. I guess you're too butthurt to realise that huh... Please don't let your butthurtness get in the way of real information and cold hard facts, ok boy?

If you want to talk about elitism, best take a look at yourself in the mirror. Amateur.

That is the same strategy they are using from the Forte sales pitch, advertise the car minus the ins, road tax, reg, etc. If you add all those in the price will be back to 143,888

Yeah, and the latest Korean cars are only 2 yrs old so no way they're on that list.

Yep! I felt the same way too... In my mind, I was thinking, if you need to make others look bad in order to look good, then you aren't any good to begin with.