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 2012 Hyundai Elantra, Hello Impossible!

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WheelieWonka
post Jan 5 2012, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 5 2012, 10:03 AM)
good one.

actually if we really wanna see the design difference between korean and japs, you can try to sit in kia forte, and then you can try maybe civic or city.

Immediately you can notice, korean is trying too hard. the interior is too busy. like clothes, you cant have too many colours on you in one time. THis is the styling difference, they saw too many nice stuff, so they wanna cramp it all in one car.

As oppose to local design, they saw all the crappy stuff, so they can only give you crappy interior. THe jap has their direction in the interior, for civic, its futuristic, so you see minimalist and futuristic design. CIty, the car is entry level, so, keep it simple and functional.

Even BMW, they want you to concentrate driving, so the interior is very bland and nothing to show off. While kia, is trying very hard to get the WOW factor from you. But no worries, its not a bad thing, they will only get better and better.

Once again, japanese is all about reliability. no one bothers to challenge them on this. And resale value is all about reliability. Who is going to buy your second hand car? rich ppl or not so rich ppl? Those not so rich ppl, what do they think about? They wanna save more money, so they are willing to pay more for cars that are reliable(that they think is reliable).

To them, even local car is reliable, simple because its everywhere, spare parts, service center, acc shop. THey feel safe by buying a car thats available everywhere. Unless you have 3 cars in your garage, otherwise, one will even worry what will happen when their ferrari fails.

And the reputation of reliable is not built over night. Korean car's 10 years warranty in US is not transferable, but its a start, to let ppl notice them. We consumer will definitely benefit from this korean vs jap car war. So now Kia is giving 5 years unlimited warranty, and VW too, to give owner a peace of mind. While jap car, no one ever question why they only give 3 years/100k. Simple, they are proven(at least public mindset is) .
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Bro, I have a 2006 Honda Civic (1.8) and 2010 Kia Forte (1.6). And honestly both are good reliable cars, with no major problems from either.

When I got the Forte, I had some minor rattling in the seat belt area which was rectified by SC. Other than that, after 1.5 years, still drives like a new car and I have no regrets buying it whatsoever. The car is way quieter and refined compared to the H. City (costs RM 8k more) and fits my budget perfectly. I have set in previous Kia’s - before Forte and the quality was crap… but since the Forte, Kia (and Hyundai, I presume), the Koreans have improved by leaps and bounds. Btw, the NVH in my Forte is way, way, way better than the Civic!

Compare Inspira and Forte – the Forte’s switches feel much more tactile and premium, even the doors close with a solid thud. Next time, try for yourself.

I don’t get this constant bashing of Koreans and japs…. Just saying that the Koreans have closed the quality gap


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QUOTE(raptorclans @ Jan 4 2012, 09:32 PM)
Is this true? Cos if it is, it sure is a pretty preposterous price...  shakehead.gif doh.gif 

Kereta Hyundai Elantra Baru
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RM110k for 1.8 Elantra is like commiting harakiri!!

Hopefully its only speculation

This post has been edited by WheelieWonka: Jan 5 2012, 11:46 AM
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post Jan 5 2012, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 5 2012, 11:57 AM)
see, even you(who has both civic and forte)  cannot accept 110k for 1.8 elantra.

but how come many ppl can accept 120k for 1.8 civic?(yours should be 115k when you bought)

can you share why do you think elantra cannot be 10k cheaper? must be much much more cheaper?

can you give a review on the handling of both civic and fote?
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Actually bro, I bought the Civic thru Malaysia My 2nd Home program (my grandma is foreign national). Guess how much the Civic 1.8 is WITHOUT taxes??
RM73k ONLY (paid cash)

Elantra cannot be 10k cheaper b/c no matter how good Korean cars are, the depreciation is much lower b/c of 2nd car market's perception. So to make up for lost depreciation value, sale price must be lower also.
Hyundai's goal is to sell cars and to steal market share from Civic/ Altis, so they need to spec the model well and give lower price to lure Civic/ Altis buyers... that's the logic.

Btw, Forte's handling is much better than Civic, the suspension a bit more keras also...but very comfortable and stable for highway driving laugh.gif
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post Jan 5 2012, 02:02 PM

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Just to add salt to injury, my friend in Australia just bought a Lancer last week.
AUD24k ONLEH
4.5 year loan he only pays AUD400 per month!

So angry when I think about car prices in meresia sad.gif
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post Jan 5 2012, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 5 2012, 02:05 PM)
er, so you go buy inspira la, almost same price

AFTER conversion biggrin.gif
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AUD24k x 3.2 = RM76.8k

Hmmn...can consider also...Inspira 2.0 after discount ard RM85k blink.gif
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post Jan 5 2012, 02:18 PM

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Hmmn, I think this thread is deviated from its original topic of talking about the Elantra.

And thanks turbocharged, I do feel better tongue.gif
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post Jan 5 2012, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Jan 5 2012, 02:29 PM)
If we didnt do any conversion. It still not cheap to own a car in USA, Australia, Japan or Singapore.
Unlike Malaysia; most of the time cost of the car, itself is cheap.
However their govt impose regulation that make cost of ownership is high.
For example COE, high insurance, compulsory car park fee, compulsory inspection yearly (twice yearly in Japan), high interest, GST etc.
Somemore, in USA; the cost of gasoline is high & they use lower RON than us here in Malaysia. RON95 & 97 consider premium there.
Not to mention money to money (wtout conversion), cost of toll & parking still high in those country.
Since new car price is low; customer tend to buy brand new car, resale value of 2nd hand car also very very low. Sometimes, almost no value.

Actually they are many thing to say when U had live or study/work in those country.
Bak pepatah.
Hujan Batu di Negeri Sendiri, Hujan Emas di Negeri Orang.
Namun lebih baik di Negeri Sendiri.

There are a lot hidden cost of ownership in those countries.
that's why cheap car & low maintenance car from japanese & korean more are appeling to customer.
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One thing bro, I studied in the US for 4 years and drove extensively there - while cars are cheap, insurance mahal jugak (depends on ur age and sex), but NO blady highway tolls at all. Only very few places have tolls, since taxpayer pays for roads there. Toll pun macam USD 1 onleh.

In Malaysia, my insurance RM1,800 per year. Toll RM100+, petrol satu bulan RM400+ . Mana ade murah?
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post Jan 5 2012, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jan 5 2012, 02:54 PM)
I've live in a few other country and I have to humbly disagree with your calculation on affordability of cars. As for Lebih Baik di Negeri Sendiri"... well... I would agree with u if the country treat me as its citizen... right now seems our southern neighbour is making me feel more welcome then my own "negeri Sendiri"... But I digress...
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100% Agree rclxms.gif

Maybe one fine day we all we be treated as EQUAL citizens, but I see that day as very, very far away...

I digress too...maaf2 blush.gif
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post Jan 6 2012, 11:57 AM

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Man this thread is really deviating from discussing Elantra into arguments tongue.gif

Btw, if the Elantra 1.8 is priced abt 105k would be appropriate for the kit that we are getting. Otherwise ppl would rather get the 2.0 Forte.

IMHO the new forte will be only out in 2013 earliest.
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post Jan 12 2012, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Jan 12 2012, 09:56 PM)
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120K ??????????????? rclxub.gif

Hopefully this is just speculation.
Maybe bro Fluidic can shed some light on this.

Macam nie, simpan kat factory je...
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post Jan 12 2012, 10:15 PM

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Maybe this is what HDSM meant by "C-segment car at C-segment price"!!!

More expensive than 1.8 Civic!!!
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post Jan 13 2012, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Jan 13 2012, 10:25 PM)
agreed... these models are suppose to save wads left of their reputation....
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Absolutely - I guess there must be some truth in the what the salesman said. I called one of the salesman in Kah Bintang, said the same thing RM115k for 1.8...sweet jesus! shakehead.gif

I guess T &H salesman dun hav to worry...

I guess this might follow I30's fate, poorly priced... how many I30's do you see on the road nowadays?
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post Jan 14 2012, 03:29 PM

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Although the Forte 2.0 rides on the the previous gen Elantra platform, most ppl will question why pay RM120k for C-segment Korean car. Btw, that's why Forte sells 500-600 unit per month.

I remember 5-6 years ago, they launched the new Sonata (previous gen), around RM155k - remember seeign the price tag in BSC during promo.

Now the resale value of that car only abt RM48k: http://www.mudah.my/Hyundai+Sonata+Limited...to-13288810.htm

Can you imagine the first time onwer will be effing pissed.

I have a feeling HMSD will repeat the same mistake!
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post Jan 16 2012, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(squareballs @ Jan 16 2012, 04:42 PM)
If it is really 118k, nine out of ten ppl will go for new civic.. mas mentallity
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Definately!

SD is really bodoh when is comes to pricing..6 months down the road, they'll give you a 10k discount to move it out of showrooms.

Speaking of SD, i went to the Old Klang Road 3S Center to enquire abt the new Elantra, but none of the salesman are bother layan, all muka action...pohdah vmad.gif

IF I book, I'll book from bro Fluidic... that's a BIG IF, given the pricing now
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post Jan 16 2012, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 16 2012, 05:25 PM)
hehe, they got frustrated maybe biggrin.gif
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One of the salesman walk past me and mentioned in Cantonese "This guy only came in a Myvi, waste our time only"... but he though I dun understand...

Incidently I drove my wife's Myvi to the showroom...they wanna treat their potential customers like this, why should I give them my money?? shakehead.gif

Btw, I got treated really really well when i followed my fren to Glenmarie BMW showroom...somemore I'm looking only.


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post Jan 16 2012, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(rahtid @ Jan 16 2012, 05:42 PM)
wtf.. got such SA?? which showroom? gonna boycott that one.
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This is the Old Klang road big showroom... all the SA's effing useless pricks - boycott them. The SS2 showroom much better
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post Jan 17 2012, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 16 2012, 08:12 PM)
they very stupid, they expect you to drive a bmw there to buy a hyundai. lol.
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Yeah I know...if I was the manager, the blady SA would be fired cool2.gif

This thread is becoming a SD bashing thread..mana bro Fluidic?
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post Jan 17 2012, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 17 2012, 10:53 AM)
you have a point there....this is an interesting fight then, entirely on forte vs elantra
but.....for me i'll go for elantra for fresh look and new model.

BUT...depends on the actual spec biggrin.gif

85k seems like 1.6 manual elantra smile.gif
i can guess its 95k for 1.6 full spec.

1.6 elantra (95k) vs 2.0 forte(97.5k).

whats the verdict?
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Most likely Elantra 1.6 high spec will be around 95k, but I can garenti you that 1.6 is underpowered for a 1200kg car. 1.8 Nu engine is the one to get - decent powerband to work with. The 1.8 version is the winner of the North American COTY, US takdah 1.6 version.

I guess some ppl will get it just for the shape, but based on Hyundai's past crap resale value, I would really think twice before plonking down RM118k for Elantra... for Civic, no worries at all - can check Mudah.my for strong resale value. IMHO, Mazda 3 2.0 at RM120k is a good deal too.

I'm just waiting for the official price - IF really above RM118k, SD can go fucuk themselves, along with their arrogant SAs doh.gif
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post Jan 17 2012, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(Hannibal @ Jan 17 2012, 04:43 PM)
Latest price indication I got from SD staff was the range would be between 90k-110k. That means the standard auto would be more a less close to 100k.

I'm deciding whether to keep waiting or proceed with Kia Forte, which is decent enuf for me, any idea? Pls help.
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Just wait for the official launch and pricing, I find every salesman has his own price, so really can't tell what's the actually price.

IMHO RM110k is way to high for this car, you run the risk of SD giving massive discounts to push it out of showrooms in the next coming months.

Forte is a safe choice, resale values should be not too bad b/c lots of Forte on the road now. My 1.6SX is almost 2 years, no problems at all tongue.gif
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post Jan 17 2012, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Jan 17 2012, 10:55 PM)
This

I rather waste my energy on other things. No point talking when nobody is willing to accept any form explanations here, beside, they are all repeating discussions where people always drag only favorable points to argue upon, ignoring others points entirely.

This thread has gone from information sharing into a SD need to die/Elantra must be like Forte/Korean Car Sucks/SA don't layan me/Praise our Japanese Lord Car Maker thread that I no longer have interest in. I'll continue posting information and answer questions, that's all.
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Bro - I bet you must be tired off reading where this thread has strayed...I guess that's b/c most of us are fans of the Elantra and HOPING SD will price it at some decent level that we can afford...that's all.

Btw, what I experienced in Old Klang Hyundai showroom is real, the SA's are bad there. Like I said, if I am buying this car, I'll buy from you rclxms.gif
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post Jan 18 2012, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 18 2012, 03:27 PM)
The only ones whom you seem to have a 'problem' with are always those who have stood up and argued your points albeit those who didnt accept your mere salesman talk. Remember 1 thing, anybody can ask questions and you should be in a position to answer them professionally. As you said before, u dont mind repeating replies so why are you backtracking now? I asked you a simple question about the car and ure back again to square one whining like a 10 yr old. If you wanna be successful in whatever you do, then learn to handle customers (potential or otherwise) professionally.

Btw, for your info, we have already met in real life. Maybe one day ill introduce myself with my lowyat nickname and then ull be shocked. Till then please choose your responses well.

No point harping on the same 'price has not been fixed' line. Im asking you to ASSUME that the price is RM115-118K for the 1.8L. So what would your justification be?

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100% agree. I believe almost everyone in this thread are potential customers who are interested in buying the Elantra, otherwise why we waste our time in this tered mah...

Bro Fluidic no need to be defensive in your points. At the end of the day, it was SD that announced "C-segment car at C segment price"... so we are askign what is the justification for this, when its locally assemble with penis Inokom logo somemore (dun angry)

Naza can sell 2.0 Forte at 97k, why can't SD?

Btw, you can check the price of 2006 Sonata - dropped by almost RM100K from ori selling price. (in less than 6 years!)http://www.mudah.my/Hyundai+Sonata+2+0+auto+06+07-13347653.htm

You need (or your mgmt) need to address questions like this from potential customers, if not tak dak sales, ta dak commission pun.

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