Folks,

Average people are not rich. Rich people are not average.

In I-Ching aka book of change, there is no good or bad. Every strength become weakness under certain environment. Ditto on weakness. World / environment are dynamic. Changes are constant.

From "Art of War" by Sun Tzu, know your own strength and weakness, half of the battle is won.

The KEY to career planning is to know WHAT you are?? What are your own strength and weakness?? What kind of career and environment allow you to be ABOVE AVERAGE?? What can you do that is EASY for you but HARD for others?? Conversely, if you are in an environment that DOES NOT FIT your personality and temperament, you could work very hard but you will not go anywhere. The best that you can be is AVERAGE in that career.

Most of times, people ask THE WRONG QUESTION!!!

If you ask the WRONG QUESTION, you will NEVER get the RIGHT ANSWER!!

You could be successful in ANY career / business as long as you can EXCEL and ABOVE AVERAGE in that career / business.

To do that, you need 3 things:

1) Motivation -> You LOVE that area. Then, you could INVEST the extra 10,000 hours to be VERY GOOD in that area.

2) Talent / Temperament -> You are born to be better than average people in doing this kind of stuff.

3) Environment / Industry -> You are working in a country / environment / culture / industry that appreciate YOUR STRENGTH and would not mind your weakness so much.

Do not follow the herd of cows.. Cows get slaughtered. They just go into any hot areas that pays well. They do not ask and care whether they could be ABOVE AVERAGE in that area. That is what AVERAGE people do.

Find out WHAT you are. INVEST on yourself to be VERY GOOD in the area that YOUR STRENGTH will be appreciated.

Dreamer

Those who knows, already successful and become boss or CEOs, now busy in the board meeting. Those who doesnt know, that's why they are asking....

thank you

So?? Some people DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE in there lives. Some have their talents undiscovered. Some just doesn't have the opportunity like other successful ones...

haha no some who know is surfing lowyatnet teaching us the stuff,
are u trying to imply dreamer not busy and not successful

+1

sorry master dreamer
lets continue to learn how to be rich people

kuntilanak,

That is a bunch of BS!!

We do not have COMPLETE CONTROL of our lives. But, we have SOME CONTROL. Are you saying that you have ABSOLUTELY ZERO free time that you can decide where to invest your life on??

<<Some have their talents undiscovered.>>

WHY do you need people to discover YOU??

LOSERS wait for things to happen. WINNER make things happen.

<<Some just doesn't have the opportunity like other successful ones...>>

Which is another BS...

1) The successful people FAILED many many times. They just keep on trying...

2) They make OPPORTUNITY.

3) They are PREPARED. Hence, when the opportunity arises, they can jump on it.

4) Losers just WHINE and BLAME everyone else.

Dreamer

Dreamer opens new topic!

Time to buy 4-digits

@dreamer101

Thank you. I now have an inspiration of what to do next. I have had doubts before this but I think I'm going to go all out for it.

Folks,

Time for me to tell another story.

Once upon a time, I was studying in Texas, USA. Because I was foreign student, I paid international tuition fee and that is a few thousands per year. And, I worked part-time at the university computing center.

I am NOT normal. I actually read the university handbook completely a few times. Then, I found something interesting. Texas state law say that if you are a research or teaching assistant working part-time, you get tuition waiver. Aka, you pay in-state fee and can save a few thousands per semester. At the handbook, it claimed that you have to be graduate student studying master or Phd to qualify to be research assistant.

Now, if you are NORMAL people, you will stop there. But, I am NOT. So, I actually go to the LAW LIBRARY and FIND the EXACT LAW that define what RESEARCH ASSISTANT is. The LAW stated that a RESEARCH ASSISTANT is a student working part-time on a job that related to their study. I copied the law and went to admission office and ask for TUITION WAIVER. They have NO FORM and NO IDEA what to do. They had to create a form and ask me to ask my DEAN to certify my job is related to my degree (EE). I won!! Subsequently, every foreign students worked at university get waiver too.

So, tell me, will a person that always say

A) They have NO CHOICE.

B) They are undiscovered

C) They have NO OPPORTUNITY

do what I did??

This is MY ATTITUDE!!

I want HIGHER SALARY. I read and research books on how to negotiate and get better salary.

I want to invest better. I read and study how to be better in investing.

Now, for this kind of people, unless a rock fell from the sky and kill the person instantly, they will not fail. They may be beaten down again and again. But, they will keep standing up and keep trying.. They will get better and better. They will get somewhere.

It is EASY to tell whether a person can succeed or not. It is in THEIR ATTITUDE and MENTALITY.

Dreamer

thanx for sharing

Sigh, i should have gone to Texas instead of Oklahoma so that i can also reap the benefits left by the seniors. BTW, i worked in the cafetaria and cleaners for the dorm, now figuring how it relate to my studies, may be the job of serving food is related to food technology and cleaning job related to Environmental enginering......

this is wat normal people do

Not busy is not equivalent to not successful.

May be he so effective, his board meeting had finished already while some others is still having their breakfast.

unfortunately your idea is ideal dreammaster.

Sure everyone wants to be engineer, doktor, lawyer all those professional jobs to be rich and successful but the competition is so tough not everyone can make it.

When the day every one have become successful, may be Doktor also have to spend 8 hours a week to do toilet cleaning job in a public toilet as no more laborers. Every Tom, d***, Harry on the streets is Lawyer, Scientist or engineers.

First post tells me to be the master of my domain and stick to what I know. Then later in another post I was told to get out of my comfort zone to grow into uncharted territory. I don't get it.

WintersuN,


<< Sure everyone wants to be engineer, doktor, lawyer all those professional jobs to be rich and successful but the competition is so tough not everyone can make it.>>

STOP THINKING like an average people!!! Chasing HOT area instead of FINDING your own path.

Who says that YOU must be one of those to be successful??

We have a few EXCELLENT Chicken Rice Sellers in WHOLE Malaysia. Do they have problem being rich??

OBVIOUSLY, you did not read "Millionaire Next Door". The book based on actual research of millionaires in USA. By the way, most of the doctors and lawyers in USA are NOT RICH.

Here we go again. Average people THINKING like a herd.. Did not do any independent study to find out how many percents of doctors and lawyers are rich.

I did my own study. I do not just BELIEVE in common myth.

<<unfortunately your idea is ideal dreammaster.>>

How many rich and successful persons that you know from first hand contacts?? Many of my family members and friends are millionaires. They ranged from professional people with master degree to people NEVER enter high school like my cousins with ONLY SRJK© education...

Dreamer

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Added on August 18, 2011, 10:04 amXerone,

WHAT and WHERE can you excel at??

Answer that question and the rest is easy...

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 18 2011, 10:04 AM

Dreamer, for every successful man out there, there could be hundreds of unsuccessful men dead somewhere which is un-noticed. There are very successful chicken rice sellers, but many had failed before the few successful one emerged.

Talent + hard work + luck plays very important role to enable people to become successful. However, how many % of the majority mass are talented and hard working and have luck on their side? If not, Mr. Bill Gates is nobody or are there thousands and thousands of people which are far more successful than him.

Thanks I think it's a matter or vertical growth or lateral expansion. People have been successful with both approaches. I'm not so certain one is better than the other. But yes, you are right about doing things other people won't. But that means going the extra step, not to be interpreted as doing the unnecessary.

BTW, I'm just hypothesizing so please take no offense But I wonder if there are people out there similar to Dreamer in principle, effort, belief, etc but are not successful and thus go unnoticed. Sure Dreamer may be one out of many that follows the same model but that would mean following that model itself does not guarantee success.

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Added on August 18, 2011, 10:23 amAh well tiger beat me to it

This post has been edited by Xerone: Aug 18 2011, 10:23 AM

Fortuna est quae fit cum praeparatio in occasionem incidit.
Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. Seneca quotes

edited the correct one is this..

"La fortuna non esiste: esiste il momento in cui il talento incontra l'occasione."
(Luck doesn't exist. There is only the moment when talent meets opportunity.)

This post has been edited by ivanswk: Aug 18 2011, 10:28 AM

im quite agree with u TS..and my thinking are just like u...

i will be grade soon..my job is already secure and currently im trap in the comfort zone..actually,,my aim is always to think above the AVERAGE people did..but,, now,,im afraid to take the risk..

what should i do?

This post has been edited by k3nji: Aug 18 2011, 10:27 AM

Even you have the best model which may lead you to successful, but you still have to constantly stay alert and do necessary adjustment or changes in your model over time. Else, it may lead you to the heaven and can bring you down to the hell as well.

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Added on August 18, 2011, 10:30 amFor a normal people, they say you will remain in your comfort zone, for abnormal people, they say you should resign and look at better opportunity and take the risk. If successful, the newspapers and reporters will glorify what bold approaches you have taken in your successful life and we will you, if dead, may be only your family members remember you.

This post has been edited by Tigerr: Aug 18 2011, 10:30 AM

Folks,

It is VERY SIMPLE...

There is NO GUARANTEE in life. YOU have a CHOICE.

A) Do whatever you can to be successful.

B) Do nothing.

You could FAIL either cases. But, people with (A) has NO REGRET in their lives. They can HONESTLY tell themselves that they had done their best. They DO NOT have to ask "What If" when they are old.

My mother tell me that

"Even if gold fell from the sky, you still have to catch faster than everyone else to get it".

<<Dreamer, for every successful man out there, there could be hundreds of unsuccessful men dead somewhere which is un-noticed. >>

People KNOW how to fail on their own. They do not need to learn from me.

<< If not, Mr. Bill Gates is nobody or are there thousands and thousands of people which are far more successful than him. >>

You ASKED the WRONG QUESTION!! The CORRECT QUESTION is what is SUCCESS??

There are at least thousands or a lot more people that are at least as successful as Bill Gates or more.

Dreamer

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-10414451.html

<< Article: Pak Dollah, the last great tok dalang, dies

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KUALA LUMPUR: He was a master of light and shadow - the last of the great

Tok Dalangs - and now he's gone.

At 3pm yesterday, Pak Dollah Baju Merah died at Kota Baru Hospital of

complications from asthma. The 67-year-old was admitted the night before

after an asthma attack. He suffered a stroke last year.

"He was a genius. There are no more people like him," said Eddin Khoo,

researcher and freelance writer who had been a student of Pak Dollah.

Pak Dollah Baju Merah was born in Kelantan on Dec 24, 1937, as Abdullah

Ibrahim. He started performing wayang kulit when he was 13.

The man became a famous Tok Dalang (shadow player) in … >>

To Pak Dollah Baju Merah, Wayang Kulit is his ONE. And, he live accordingly to his ONE... He spent 54 years aka his whole life on this...>>


Folks,

How can YOU say that this person is NOT a successful person?? He spent his WHOLE LIFE on doing things that he LOVES. How many people can say this about their lives??

Dreamer

The way you put it sounds more like a "think positively" way to encourage or motivate/inspire people. There are plenty of such books or talks out there in the market. Out of 10, may be 2 is all the time motivated themselves and hence they might be the successful one out there, out of 3 may be can be motivated by his peers, motivators, unspiration talks, opportunities falls on them and they could be part of the successful people out there as well and there are 5 out of there which will resist changes no matter what, even when you show them there are gold in front of them, they will tell you go and help them pick the gold and bring back to them.

Sometimes, when one advise people to change, be bold, be creative or take iniative to be different, when failed, it is not that they will say no regret in their live, more likely they will curse the MxxxxxFxxxxx who tell them the road to Holland. It backfires sometime.

In all words, work hard and work smart is the most fundalmental way to achieve success.

Agreed. There is no guarantee. But I believe the message here is to let us know we must go the extra mile to stay ahead of the game. This is common sense but a reminder from a third party is still valuable. Though I think the question whether we should stick to what we are good at or not isn't the best build-up to that message. Again, vertical growth and lateral expansion both works.

Dont know who is this Pak Dollah and dont really know what he had achieved by playing Wayang Kulit, thus, no comment on whether he is successful or not. Even Mahathir has been so glorified and respected once before he stepped down. But now, many of the people are so with him and dont know how you describe him as whether successful or not. To gather wealth for the family, yes, definately, he is successful.

Also, Taiwan Ex-President, he had gone though his political life to become a President and now had been put into a jailed. How would you describe he is whether a success or not and at certain stage of his life is success or what?

too summarise it, dun get caught and dun step down

Um please don't use obituaries as source of unbiased review. Retrospective post mortem comments are always designed to dramaticize the life and death of a person. It's hard to separate drama from fact, if there's any.

To me, as long as you dont get caught is successful already...

Ok, so when there are forumers post up they have tried their best etc but still fail, then you never tell them "at least you have done your best to pursue, it's ok", instead, you will be the first one to scold them "stupid", know only how to whine, lazy to work harder, aim for comfort zone, unlike 70s etc etc etc.

You are giving contradicting statements here.

So, you wanna continue the "Unteachable Gen-Y" session here?

But, even yes, please do it in a friendly way and constructive manner.

debbieyss,

I guess YOU are talking about YOURSELF...

YOU are UNTEACHABLE!!!! YOU know EVERYTHING. End of discussion..

Stop wasting time and energy on my thread.

Dreamer

I have always put it in a friendly way and constructive manner, at least i never scold people stupid.

It's just that to people like dreamer, constructive manner is not the way to convince him. One must have real life experience to prove him and, to let him know the real life experience of someone, dreamer must know them in person.

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Added on August 18, 2011, 11:13 amIf you don't want to waste your time, then please don't reply my thread.
You can choose:
1) Reply
2) Do not reply

No one force you to reply my posts. You have the CHOICE.

And, wheter i am teachable or not is not important to you, i know how successful i am now, my friends know how successful i am, my parents can retired with my monthly income, that's enough.

This post has been edited by debbieyss: Aug 18 2011, 11:13 AM

See....that's what i say not friendly manner. It is like you are challenging him. Dreamer has lots more experience than you (although i dont know him personally) and you are young without concrete prove of success, so, why not lie low, and respect the seniors. Perhaps, they can put $$$ in your pocket which you may not know. Cheers and Cool..

debbieyss,

LOL.

We ALL KNOW how successful you are.... And, WE know your opinion of YOURSELF.

Dreamer

This is getting off topic but Dreamer's style of educating can be described through push vs pull. He's aggressive and thus represents the push style. Certain audiences are not receptive to pushers since the natural reaction is for the audience to be defensive when they are shocked into believing all they have done so far is wrong. I'm more of a proponent of pull because I rather be liked and is not good with confrontations. Again two sides of a coin. Dreamer is smart but cold at time. I'm pretty sure he knows this well. But he does solicit a great number of responses whether positive or bad.

how "successful"?

Tigerr,

To be more precise, work smart by UNDERSTANDING your own strength and weakness.

Dreamer

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Added on August 18, 2011, 11:26 amawh85,

Just do a search on all her posts.. It is entertaining....

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 18 2011, 11:26 AM

Yes, you are the king, you are genious, you are the smartest in Malaysia, you are the richest man in lowyat, in the world, you can beat Mr. Bill Gate, you are the best engineer in the world!

i cant claim to be successful but in my short career, i am moving towards what i want as i have a clear view of what i like to do and what i can perform in. following roughly along the guidelines of what mr dreamer has provided.

yet my goals themselves are pretty "normal". not everyone aspires to be rich, for myself, comfortable would be good enough.

Folks,

So, the QUESTION is how can I efficiently and effectively achieve an understanding of myself??

I use Myers-Briggs Type Indicator and cross reference with my real life experience to verify my personality type. It is VERY EFFECTIVE...

There are FREE TESTS available over the Internet.

Dreamer

If dont understand own strength and weakness, then, it is not smart liao....more like work buta buta and hope with soem luck, can "fu-look".....

Debbie brings up an interesting point of discussion. She IS successful in getting to her goal. You may see her as being unsuccessful because you are measuring her relatively to someone else, not her goals. I should really research further on this Pak Dollah but I honestly can't say he is successful if he is just a wayang kulit player. Others would beg to differ. Just what kind of success are we talking about here?

Sorry it's awh who brought it up.

This post has been edited by Xerone: Aug 18 2011, 11:38 AM

Dreamer, take this challenge, try to find your best way to "educate" or "get debbie learn and change to be more positive" and see how innovative your are or how successful you are....

average people are not rich?wat ur gonna say next?d earth is round not flat?

If a beggar begs all his life fo 54 years, and he can keep himself out of hunger, would you say he is successful? To the beggar, yes, he is successful, but to majority masses, he is a total failure. Anyone agrees?

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Added on August 18, 2011, 11:38 amaverage people rich in cholestrol....

This post has been edited by Tigerr: Aug 18 2011, 11:38 AM

Yeah. Even if we are talking about financial success, different people will have different financial goals. Maybe we should return to the original topic which is about being rich, not about being success because they can be exclusive or each other.

Dreamer may have lots of admirers in lowyat.net but I do not care; I value one person's teaching NOT by how successful he is in material or monetary.

Before I follow and absorb one's teaching, I value his personality and attitude, then only his material achievements in life.

some ppl are used to being blunt, direct and cocky.. live with it.

It actually depends on how do you define "successful", rich, happy, heath etc. There is no one definition for that.

The thing that makes this world interesting is that every individual have their own style and thinking.

WHat works for a person does not necessarily work for another.

So trying to push your own teaching/idea into another person who is totally different from you will not work.

If a certain method doesnt work for you, another person might find it as a successful method. Its all about the type of person you are.

@DebbieSys / Dreamer
The arguement that both of you have is with regards to a person's GOAL in life. While there may be people that are aiming to be RICH financially, others may be to secure a stable and comfortable life where the happyness to not necessarily link to materialism.

In this case, everyone has different goals in life. What's YOUR GOAL IN LIFE would be the question before judging / commenting about others? That would give us a baseline on how valid the arguements both of you have presented.

I am INTJ (Mastermind) and I am a stickler for process and rules. Without that I am lost. That is why I work best with clear procedures and systems. If there is none, I will create one. I hate to interact with other human being simply because they are irrational and unpredictable.

Leave me alone to tinker with processess and procedures and to make it more efficient. This is what I like best, and think I am capable of excelling.

My question is my future job will be as a General Manager for a mid-size family owned DIY retailer. (# of worker approx 30 with a turnover of 20Mil p.a).

My cuurent job is the proprietor of my family Kedai Runcit and I have out-grown it. Can I be successful in this new job.

Dreamer, am I asking the correct question?

Xuzen

If you need to value someone's personality and attitude before listening to what his teaching, then I guess it's very hard for you to learn something or anything..

Have you not seen sports theme movies where in the beginning of the story the person or the team is the worst in the field then come one coach with worst attitude you can imagine then transfrom the person or the team from the worst to the best? Do you think whoever comes up with that idea made up the concept..that is how real life learning is..

That is movie lar. they can write the script as they like and may not truely reflect the actual. But, it does happen in real life and in fact, anything else also possible to happen.

In old days, a stern teacher is likely to produce a more disiplin student. But student nowadays dont follow this pattern anymore, so, in order to successful teaching the students, we need to change the way of teaching. If we dont change ourselves, we will never or hard to progress far....

Thank You Mr. Obvious

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Added on August 18, 2011, 1:55 pmOr rather i should say tell that to Bijian Kroni....

This post has been edited by mercury8400: Aug 18 2011, 01:55 PM

Have you seen Coach Carter? That is based on real story..and also there are few other real story which I can't remember..

My real life story. I have two different Biology teacher during F4 & F5, one is very serious and barely smile even when he make jokes..and the other is a joker..I learn more from the serious one and I learned less from the other (he don't even finish the syllabus because he was too busy entertaining the students)..

wow and u pass your biology with flying color and now a respectable brain surgeon

Pass with flying colors and was offered scholarship to do MBBS but decided to study engineering because MBBS is not really my cup of tea and I am a haemophobic.

Yes, i agree it does happen in real life, but in every lottery draw, there is always got one guy struke the first prize too. So, like i said, a seriuos and stern coach may chunk out good result but that is not always true. Especially nowadays, youngster is not raised up in the strict manner like the old days. So, if any stern and seriuos way is practise on them, you will get rebels. So, the old way which may be the effective way, but it wont work now. So, another or different approach may be needed.

There are lots of argument on Gen-X and Gen-Y, but who produce this Gen-Y?? It is Gen-X who produce all this Gen-Y. REally cannot understand ..

My dept got a Dreamer type of guy (in terms of delivery of information and wanting to teach others). Experienced and well educated engineer who knocks around RM 20k+ a month (my own estimate). He is now Iceboxed and avoided by people around him- now just waiting for retirement in a few months time.

He would thrived well in a Malaysian educated or ol'skool of hard knocks or cinapek working environment; too bad its really matsalleh here (Debbie type mindset somewhat) and the Msians in the dept are more of Debbie's type of mindset.

Imagine this: Dreamer finds a Debbie subordinate- he gives her low rating and maybe less to no chance of promotion. Debbie finds a Dreamer subordinate- she gives him a low rating or maybe less to no chance of promotion.

See where I am coming from? Just saying there is no right or no wrong in life- is who has the big gun is the king. Or the most gun wins- aka majority.

This post has been edited by kaiserwulf: Aug 18 2011, 02:22 PM

Yeah..my point is if you have to be selective of who is teaching instead of what is being taught, then you might not learn anything..

and i thought GUN is illegal in Malaysia, now need to have Big Gun and Most Gun hhaha
ok ok just joking AKA not serious ok

Dreamer, please continue ...

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Added on August 18, 2011, 2:31 pmyour pointed noted

This post has been edited by ivanswk: Aug 18 2011, 02:31 PM

Sometimes, you cannot judge someone by his apperance. You can choose a comedian instead of an authoritarian to teach you. It doesnt mean that the comedian will lose out in what he is going to teach. IF there is a person who is very famous and comes with high credential but he is not seriuos manner he treating people compare with someone who is very serious but may not know anything about his credentials, so, who you going to choose? Like in movie, those not famous but very seriuos coach is coaching a not famous school team and eventually win a champion. But how many in real life???

i are the lost, i thought we talking the how to career / business so rich? by not average like everyone else?

i read more and more after that i dont know. please told the me what's said here?

i want to learned so i can higher me self but like your people not saying as like title. i always the fail cause from the poor families, hope your guys can assist me as i no want poor future.

being crony overrules everything logic.

nice words....
one person luck in exchange of one person misfortune

Folks,

<<She IS successful in getting to her goal. >>

YOU are NOT listening and reading very well. Do a search on all her posts. Then, ask yourself a SIMPLE question, is this a person that is achieving her goal?? In her own judgment, she had failed. And, she is NOT HAPPY.

Now, if a person had failed in her own career but has the AUDACITY to tell people how to do their job, teach, manage some others, we call that kind of people STUPID!!

That is LEVEL 0 person. People that are TOO STUPID to know that they know NOTHING.

There is NO ARGUMENT here.

She knows NOTHING. She is saying that YOU hurt my feeling and hence you must be WRONG. Whatever you say is IRRELEVANT. What are the USEFUL content in any of her posts?? None.

She provides a VERY EDUCATIONAL example of how NOT to be fooled by people that PRETEND to know something.

Dreamer

the topic has been derailed from being over the average people to a teaching method..wether it is a pull or push teaching method,,im willing to learn..being over the average people can coop with whatever circumtance..so please get back to the main topic please..

alaskanbunny,

<< i always the fail cause from the poor families>>

My father passed away when I was 8 years old. My mother had to raise 6 children on her own. 1/3 of my classmates lost their father before standard 6. Average life expectancy of Urban Chinese Males was 55 years old. Most people in my community were poor and starving. Now, they are doing very well.

Dreamer

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Added on August 18, 2011, 7:25 pmTigerr,

In order for someone to TEACH, a person needs to know the material. Will you asked someone that is lousy in English to teach you English?? That is common sense.

Only after you KNOW that the person know his / her stuff, then, we can talk about teaching method.

A person that knows NOTHING cannot teach you ANYTHING. Regardless of how nice the person is. It is a WASTE of TIME and ENERGY to learn from that person. YOU will learn NOTHING.

So, the QUESTION is how to SPOT people that KNOW NOTHING in order to STOP wasting time listening to that kind of person??

For example, WHY would anyone taking lesson from people on how to manage people when the person has NEVER manage anyone?? The person KNOW NOTHING about managing people..

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 18 2011, 07:25 PM

personally i think success is a subjective matter. Everyone holds different definition but similar objective-to be successful. I have failed(5 years) in something which i have interest and good at. The reason i failed was simply because i had mixed my 'wants' and 'needs'. Now im back on track and pursuing what i love the most which i had failed in 5 years ago. Hard work do make a huge difference.
p/s:informative thread btw.

Dreamer & debbie..both of u must declare truce..

figuremeout,

personally i think success is a subjective matter.

Bingo. You got IT.

The MOST IMPORTANT person is YOU. Aka, YOUR own POV of what is successful to YOU. Why?? Because that is RELEVANT to YOU. Anyone else's POV is IRRELEVANT.

Plus, a person cannot be HAPPY by trying to satisfy OTHER PEOPLE's POV and GOAL. YOU will be living their lives and their goal.

YOU need to live your own life. Not anyone's else life.

Dreamer

So that makes your thread topic contradictory, and actually out of topic.

If the way you want to live your life is to be average, why worry about whether you are rich or not, and what other people think?

I like that
Always like ur lecture! Few months back with your advice, I go all out of what I really want and love. After stages and stages, I am almost there to start.. Thank you. Your lectures work for me, always.

Dreamer,

1 question: what if i am not sure where my interests is? I dont know what am i excellent at. Am i born to be average? since secondary school, i found out i can be good at anything as long as i put effort. so actually after that i believe that interest can be build. "as long as u are good at something, u will have interest in it" this is what i believe.

but i do agree with you that passionate in ur career will bring you to above average in that career. what if a person like me, i dont really have passionate in anything. I just learn, when i am good at it, i will build my interest, am i born to be average in that case?

here's a book that i would recommend
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Hab...ffective_People

unless you are born with a golden spoon......

to be successful in life, you need to be a good observer of life........because that's the best teacher.....

RICH ..
get back to getting rich pls ..

1. If you have been giving tuition, if you have been teaching all these years, you will find out that there are teachers holding forged certificates, teaching piano, giving tuitions. If you happen to meet a person who teach without proper qualification, that is COMMON. There are many people buy degree cert and apply jobs nowadays! But I don't share my views without prior real life experiences.

2. If you see my posts showing hatred emotion that can also mean I am telling the fact in this world. Why must you think it's happening to me? Even if I am complaining now doesn't mean that I will sit there and do nothing to breakthrough.

3. My boss has lousy and nasty temper though she is in her 50s now, Senior Manager position, she's trying to teach me the way she handles things but NONE of her teachings work on me. There are many different ways to get things done, everyone has his own way, I believe; with her way of doing things (yell at people to convince others; interrupt people's conversations whenever people sharing opinions so no one can go against her will; fast to judge and slow to listen etc), it makes someone looks "ugly" and unprofessional. I have the choice to choose and I will choose to be the best - be a nice person and able to get things done.

I'm clarifying these not because for my own glory. I just want to share that people with good personality and has great achievements worth our attention much more than those with brilliant life but poor personality.

Whatever Dreamer is sharing here, to be honest, I only adopt 30% to 40% of his teaching. No one's teaching is suitable to every one; none of us have the same career path in order to become success. But giving 2 persons to learn from, of course I will go for the person who has personality and achievement equally good. You can yell at people to get things done but what's the meaning if you get people to obey you physically but in their hearts they hate you? Furthermore, even things go well it would only go for temporary.

I would say both of your biology teachers are fine to me according to what you elaborated here. But I would value further as how would they respond if I bring up my questions and ask them in person, would they show annoyance or being patient.

Last but not least, if you follow one's teaching blindly, be it he is top successful person, you are plain silly.

If you are talking to someone with good communications skill, he/she doesn't bother how do you phrase your question. These persons will instead put themselves in your shoes and think how you think, they are able to get what you are trying to ask, and answer your question directly.

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Added on August 18, 2011, 11:06 pmif she is single, even

This post has been edited by ch_teo: Aug 18 2011, 11:06 PM

This thread created this morning 8AM..
Now already 5 pages long, Dreamer really powerful and influential..

Do you have any business relationship with Lowyat.net?

Dreamer, your thinking really different from others... Very critical and sharp..

I just felt that if i am continuing to do my job at corrent company,
my dream will be getting far away each day...

Good point.

However, can you convince me that "Those unsuccessful chicken rice seller won't do the same thing like the successful one does?"
I will put an extreme example here: Let's say that the business of SuperGreatCompany Sdn Bhd grows on UnluckyPoorCompany Sdn Bhd loss. Will you still say the same thing? As SuperGreatCompany employee, will you slow down your business on behalf of helping UnluckyPoorCompany? I bet you won't. A communist will do so, will you?

As an Asian, I know exactly that this is cruel. But that's business. Furthermore, that's competition and even further, that's Evolution. Natural selection. The fittest and the one most responsive to change wins. Don't say to me that you will prefer an ugly boyfriend/girlfriend to a handsome/beautiful boyfriend/girlfriend just because you pity him/her.

To all:
Sometimes, I really hope that dreamer will use a better way to communicate his idea. But I don't care how he does it. What I care is "the content" of his thoughts. Dreamer's communication technique is irrelevant to his message.

Go dreamer, I am waiting for more.

your the father i sorry but at what age he passed away? are you the refugee/asylum people from other country? how come all the fathered dieded so early?

i thinks the poor ppl got the no good advantage, but also can other ways to fix the no good. just have to search the repair. care to sharing some repair.