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Average People Are Not Rich
From Merriam-Wesbter Dictionary
Synonym Discussion of AVERAGE
average, mean, median, norm mean something that represents a middle point. average is the quotient obtained by dividing the sum total of a set of figures by the number of figures <scored an average of 85 on tests>. mean may be the simple average or it may represent value midway between two extremes <a high of 70° and a low of 50° give a mean of 60°>. median applies to the value that represents the point at which there are as many instances above as there are below <average of a group of persons earning 3, 4, 5, 8, and 10 dollars an hour is 6 dollars, whereas the median is 5 dollars>. norm means the average of performance of a significantly large group, class, or grade <scores about the norm for fifth grade arithmetic>.

Synonym Discussion of RICH
rich, wealthy, affluent, opulent mean having goods, property, and money in abundance. rich implies having more than enough to gratify normal needs or desires <became rich through shrewd investing>. wealthy stresses the possession of property and intrinsically valuable things <wealthy landowners>. affluent suggests prosperity and an increasing wealth <an affluent society>. opulent suggests lavish expenditure and display of great wealth, more often applying to things than people <an opulent mansion>

Can we agreed on the about definitions? Feel free to elaborate on the definations, I personaly feels that we can move forward at a faster pace should we agree on the defination first, so that all of us is at a common starting point. (not implying that all the that was dicussed was irrelevant). I am suprised that this was not done in the first place. Let's not assume that your average / rich and mine are the same.

Without defining these words I think we might be going in circles as all of us have different opinions, values and etc. Once we agree on the definition, we shall have a common ground to debate.

So, Average People = 正常的人，一般人，平均人?

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Added on August 27, 2011, 10:56 pm"Hence, a person that saves 50+% of their gross income is definitely rich"
A person makes 30K per year, makes a saving of 16K, rich or poor?
Another person makes 100K a year, makes a saving of 25K, rich or poor?

And, this definition of "Rich" can only be used on yourself and no one else.
I feel that your are trying to categorize other people (to be rich or poor)

I totally agree with
"A person that saves NOTHING and is in debt is definitely poor."

Do share with us your experience in the "MENTALITY and ATTITUDE of "Average People"

This post has been edited by MrFarmer: Aug 27 2011, 10:56 PM

I don't think it's ever "TOO LATE for people who are over 40", I'm 48, I don't think it's too late for me. I'm not going to die yet.

I've finished reading The Science of getting rich.
http://images.thesecret.tv/The-Science-of-Getting-Rich.pdf
and I'm now into
Master Key System
http://images.thesecret.tv/Master-Key-System.pdf

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Added on August 29, 2011, 3:01 pm
QUOTE(rosemary @ Aug 26 2011, 12:18 AM)
I have a dream... My dream is not to do anything but to achieve everything.
Can u help me???
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Man dream of flying since the beginning of time. Now we have AirAsia, where everyone can fly. Why do people shoot off dream like this. I for one think it's possible. I believe every start as a dream. We dream to be rich, we dream to be successful, we dream to be....

Rosemary, keep on dreaming. Your dream might inspire other people, and these people shall set in motion "not to do anything but to achieve everything"

Added on August 29, 2011, 2:09 pm
QUOTE(3dassets @ Aug 27 2011, 11:11 PM)
You assume everyone can read Chinese? The topic is circular, such as "dump people are not smart", what is there to debate when rich people determine what is right and wrong. "English is not Chinese"
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My apologies for those who who don't read Chinese ( not to be rude but those who don't can try out http://translate.google.com.my/?client=fir...al&hl=en&tab=wT Google translate).
I guess Dreamer101 and you 3dassets does.

Let's us be rich and we can start to determine what is right and wrong.

Should the title be revised or modify? Like to Ordinary thinking person with ordinary attitude shall have difficulties making it rich.

Added on August 29, 2011, 2:19 pm
QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 28 2011, 10:10 PM)
waxppl,



2) Those kind of people are CLUELESS. Even LUCK and FATE is in your favor, a person still need to prepare and know how to manage that. As I had said before, 50% of the USA lottery winner went bankrupt after 10 years.

3) In my case, I had studied and planned out the steps that I need to do if I won a lottery. Did you do that when you buy a lottery ticket?? Are you prepared if you won??

It is the ATTITUDE and MENTALITY.

FATE and LUCK may or may not favor a person like me. But, I am PREPARED to take advantage of any opportunities. Can you say this about most AVERAGE PEOPLE?? They talk about winning lottery but do they know what they need to do if they won?? Plus, what they SHOULD NOT do??

Dreamer
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2) As I had said before, 50% of the USA lottery winner went bankrupt after 10 years.
Hence year 1 to year 10, 100% were rich, Year 11 onward, 50% are still rich. Look at the bright side brother. I for one would mind just being rich from year 1 to year 10, doesn't matter if I'm broke at year 11.

http://www.sportstoto.com.my/g_bigwin/bigwin.asp

3) Dreamer101, do you buy lottery?
I'm below average, and I do buy ToTo ( blush.gif not promoting gambling here).
I bought 1 unit of 4D, 5D, 6D, Toto 6/58, Toto 6/55 & Toto 6/52. My dream is to strike 1st prize for each and every one together in the same day. Talk about being rich. Shall buy a couple of big houses, then a couple of luxurious cars,.........
Added on August 29, 2011, 2:30 pm
QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 28 2011, 07:24 PM)
waxppl,

I am LUCKY?? Do you want my kind of LUCK??

I lost my father when I was 8 years old. My mother had to raise 6 children on her own. We starved regularly through childhood. To be AVERAGE in Poverty meant that you DO NOT SURVIVE.. We refuse to stay poor and starving.

Then, we were faced with NEP. Many people were forced out of their jobs and businesses. My batch were forced to go oversea and compete with foreigner to get college education. So, I had to work 2 part-time jobs and take 20 semester hours per semester. I slept on the average of 4 hours per day for 6 years.

You call this LUCK?? Is this LUCK?? Do you want my kind of LUCK??

Do not insult me!!

Dreamer
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Seems to be very obsessed with the past. Let it go, remember the great times that you had. Be grateful of what you have. Those are good experience that made you a better person. If without those experiences, you may not be where you are today.

I think to the younger generation, they won't want to heard about "rag to riches". It's more relevant "rich to even richer", to stay in tune with time. Honestly, if possible Dreamer101, would you like to put your children through what you had been through?

Added on August 29, 2011, 2:33 pm
QUOTE(wodenus @ Aug 29 2011, 12:36 PM)
How were you forced to go overseas, no private colleges in this country?

Added on August 29, 2011, 12:54 pm

Yes, why is that? there are no billionaires with rich parents all of a sudden? smile.gif
Very true. He seems to glorify his suffering, but it is nothing compared to someone who was born disabled with poor parents. Not to diminish his
suffering, but he musn't think that other people have not suffered more than him
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biggrin.gif Everyone suffered at one time or another. I for one do not go "whining" about it. smile.gif

Added on August 29, 2011, 2:42 pm
QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 28 2011, 07:13 PM)
realventis,


B) How many people went before me want the same thing but REFUSE to do the work and fight the university??
Materazzi,

They were Poor Rice Farmers. They REFUSE to stay as Poor Rice Farmer. Hence, they tried their hands in many things. And, they did not succeed at first.

Conversely, in Malaysia, how many people stay as Poor Rice Farmer and DID NOTHING to improve themselves??

It is the MENTALITY and ATTITUDE!!


If you CANNOT take care of yourself, how can you help OTHERS??


Dreamer
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B) Brother, now a days there are lots of outsourcing / sub contracting. There were creative enough to let you do it and they reap the advantage, so as not to sour their relationship with the university. Why must we fight? Lots more can be done if we work "together" in alignment and in the same direction.

This post has been edited by MrFarmer: Aug 29 2011, 03:01 PM

I'll go with C. Does that mean I'm an "Average" ?

Hi 3dasset, maybe can you put your past behind? I'm sure you have the gained the level of experience to start again, hence you are better off now than you were 22 years ago. I'm 48 and I don't think "I'm too late". Also I want to proof that Dreamer101 is "wrong". I shall try very hard and become rich, then I'll see what Dreamer101 has to say about being too late after 40.

Dreamer101, let's carry on.

I find myself agreeing with Tigerr.
Let's drop the Bakuteh & Muslim Area, these two don't mix and it's offensive and rude to certain community. BTW I love Bakuteh and just had one session last night.
A) Agree with Tigerr. There are lots of successful and rich people in Malaysia.
B) Agree with Tigerr. Also I'm sure that even if you choose this, there is definitely something you can savage from your past experience, you don't need to start from "ground Zero"
C) Look around us, many people are staying put in Malaysia. What wrong with Malaysia? Dreamer101, Are you staying in Malaysia? I think we don't have to leave Malaysia in order to bring good food to our tables. Don't forget there are lots of racial issues in other countries too.

mieza, would suggest you drop your idea of being indispensable. Everyone is dispensable. Let's face this, if any one of us were to "konk off" tonight, the earth still turns and the Sun shall still rise. This is the law of nature.

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Added on September 3, 2011, 3:35 pm You already have your vision of your own company, that's a good start. Work on it. As you progress, you can fine tune it.

This post has been edited by MrFarmer: Sep 3 2011, 03:35 PM

So Dreamer101, long story short, care to share with us which bank to go for? Thank you in advance.

Hi Kasey, yes, I share your opinion. I practice this too. I'm still trying. Every time I fail, I learned and I'm better equipped on my next try. We can do it.

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Added on September 5, 2011, 8:43 amYes, agreed
At present, we can think about our your future; convert our though to tangible action, now. Our future is determined by what we do now.

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Added on September 5, 2011, 8:51 amThank you, Dreamer101. Did some search, am reading. It'll take me a while to digest as I'm not investment savvy.

Guys, Think Positive. Ask and you shall be given.

This post has been edited by MrFarmer: Sep 5 2011, 08:51 AM