Folks,

Average people are not rich. Rich people are not average.

In I-Ching aka book of change, there is no good or bad. Every strength become weakness under certain environment. Ditto on weakness. World / environment are dynamic. Changes are constant.

From "Art of War" by Sun Tzu, know your own strength and weakness, half of the battle is won.

The KEY to career planning is to know WHAT you are?? What are your own strength and weakness?? What kind of career and environment allow you to be ABOVE AVERAGE?? What can you do that is EASY for you but HARD for others?? Conversely, if you are in an environment that DOES NOT FIT your personality and temperament, you could work very hard but you will not go anywhere. The best that you can be is AVERAGE in that career.

Most of times, people ask THE WRONG QUESTION!!!

If you ask the WRONG QUESTION, you will NEVER get the RIGHT ANSWER!!

You could be successful in ANY career / business as long as you can EXCEL and ABOVE AVERAGE in that career / business.

To do that, you need 3 things:

1) Motivation -> You LOVE that area. Then, you could INVEST the extra 10,000 hours to be VERY GOOD in that area.

2) Talent / Temperament -> You are born to be better than average people in doing this kind of stuff.

3) Environment / Industry -> You are working in a country / environment / culture / industry that appreciate YOUR STRENGTH and would not mind your weakness so much.

Do not follow the herd of cows.. Cows get slaughtered. They just go into any hot areas that pays well. They do not ask and care whether they could be ABOVE AVERAGE in that area. That is what AVERAGE people do.

Find out WHAT you are. INVEST on yourself to be VERY GOOD in the area that YOUR STRENGTH will be appreciated.

Dreamer

kuntilanak,

That is a bunch of BS!!

We do not have COMPLETE CONTROL of our lives. But, we have SOME CONTROL. Are you saying that you have ABSOLUTELY ZERO free time that you can decide where to invest your life on??

<<Some have their talents undiscovered.>>

WHY do you need people to discover YOU??

LOSERS wait for things to happen. WINNER make things happen.

<<Some just doesn't have the opportunity like other successful ones...>>

Which is another BS...

1) The successful people FAILED many many times. They just keep on trying...

2) They make OPPORTUNITY.

3) They are PREPARED. Hence, when the opportunity arises, they can jump on it.

4) Losers just WHINE and BLAME everyone else.

Dreamer

Folks,

Time for me to tell another story.

Once upon a time, I was studying in Texas, USA. Because I was foreign student, I paid international tuition fee and that is a few thousands per year. And, I worked part-time at the university computing center.

I am NOT normal. I actually read the university handbook completely a few times. Then, I found something interesting. Texas state law say that if you are a research or teaching assistant working part-time, you get tuition waiver. Aka, you pay in-state fee and can save a few thousands per semester. At the handbook, it claimed that you have to be graduate student studying master or Phd to qualify to be research assistant.

Now, if you are NORMAL people, you will stop there. But, I am NOT. So, I actually go to the LAW LIBRARY and FIND the EXACT LAW that define what RESEARCH ASSISTANT is. The LAW stated that a RESEARCH ASSISTANT is a student working part-time on a job that related to their study. I copied the law and went to admission office and ask for TUITION WAIVER. They have NO FORM and NO IDEA what to do. They had to create a form and ask me to ask my DEAN to certify my job is related to my degree (EE). I won!! Subsequently, every foreign students worked at university get waiver too.

So, tell me, will a person that always say

A) They have NO CHOICE.

B) They are undiscovered

C) They have NO OPPORTUNITY

do what I did??

This is MY ATTITUDE!!

I want HIGHER SALARY. I read and research books on how to negotiate and get better salary.

I want to invest better. I read and study how to be better in investing.

Now, for this kind of people, unless a rock fell from the sky and kill the person instantly, they will not fail. They may be beaten down again and again. But, they will keep standing up and keep trying.. They will get better and better. They will get somewhere.

It is EASY to tell whether a person can succeed or not. It is in THEIR ATTITUDE and MENTALITY.

Dreamer

WintersuN,


<< Sure everyone wants to be engineer, doktor, lawyer all those professional jobs to be rich and successful but the competition is so tough not everyone can make it.>>

STOP THINKING like an average people!!! Chasing HOT area instead of FINDING your own path.

Who says that YOU must be one of those to be successful??

We have a few EXCELLENT Chicken Rice Sellers in WHOLE Malaysia. Do they have problem being rich??

OBVIOUSLY, you did not read "Millionaire Next Door". The book based on actual research of millionaires in USA. By the way, most of the doctors and lawyers in USA are NOT RICH.

Here we go again. Average people THINKING like a herd.. Did not do any independent study to find out how many percents of doctors and lawyers are rich.

I did my own study. I do not just BELIEVE in common myth.

<<unfortunately your idea is ideal dreammaster.>>

How many rich and successful persons that you know from first hand contacts?? Many of my family members and friends are millionaires. They ranged from professional people with master degree to people NEVER enter high school like my cousins with ONLY SRJK© education...

Dreamer

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Added on August 18, 2011, 10:04 amXerone,

WHAT and WHERE can you excel at??

Answer that question and the rest is easy...

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 18 2011, 10:04 AM

Folks,

It is VERY SIMPLE...

There is NO GUARANTEE in life. YOU have a CHOICE.

A) Do whatever you can to be successful.

B) Do nothing.

You could FAIL either cases. But, people with (A) has NO REGRET in their lives. They can HONESTLY tell themselves that they had done their best. They DO NOT have to ask "What If" when they are old.

My mother tell me that

"Even if gold fell from the sky, you still have to catch faster than everyone else to get it".

<<Dreamer, for every successful man out there, there could be hundreds of unsuccessful men dead somewhere which is un-noticed. >>

People KNOW how to fail on their own. They do not need to learn from me.

<< If not, Mr. Bill Gates is nobody or are there thousands and thousands of people which are far more successful than him. >>

You ASKED the WRONG QUESTION!! The CORRECT QUESTION is what is SUCCESS??

There are at least thousands or a lot more people that are at least as successful as Bill Gates or more.

Dreamer

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-10414451.html

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At 3pm yesterday, Pak Dollah Baju Merah died at Kota Baru Hospital of

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after an asthma attack. He suffered a stroke last year.

"He was a genius. There are no more people like him," said Eddin Khoo,

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Folks,

How can YOU say that this person is NOT a successful person?? He spent his WHOLE LIFE on doing things that he LOVES. How many people can say this about their lives??

Dreamer

debbieyss,

I guess YOU are talking about YOURSELF...

YOU are UNTEACHABLE!!!! YOU know EVERYTHING. End of discussion..

Stop wasting time and energy on my thread.

Dreamer

debbieyss,

LOL.

We ALL KNOW how successful you are.... And, WE know your opinion of YOURSELF.

Dreamer

Tigerr,

To be more precise, work smart by UNDERSTANDING your own strength and weakness.

Dreamer

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Added on August 18, 2011, 11:26 amawh85,

Just do a search on all her posts.. It is entertaining....

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 18 2011, 11:26 AM

Folks,

So, the QUESTION is how can I efficiently and effectively achieve an understanding of myself??

I use Myers-Briggs Type Indicator and cross reference with my real life experience to verify my personality type. It is VERY EFFECTIVE...

There are FREE TESTS available over the Internet.

Dreamer

Folks,

<<She IS successful in getting to her goal. >>

YOU are NOT listening and reading very well. Do a search on all her posts. Then, ask yourself a SIMPLE question, is this a person that is achieving her goal?? In her own judgment, she had failed. And, she is NOT HAPPY.

Now, if a person had failed in her own career but has the AUDACITY to tell people how to do their job, teach, manage some others, we call that kind of people STUPID!!

That is LEVEL 0 person. People that are TOO STUPID to know that they know NOTHING.

There is NO ARGUMENT here.

She knows NOTHING. She is saying that YOU hurt my feeling and hence you must be WRONG. Whatever you say is IRRELEVANT. What are the USEFUL content in any of her posts?? None.

She provides a VERY EDUCATIONAL example of how NOT to be fooled by people that PRETEND to know something.

Dreamer

alaskanbunny,

<< i always the fail cause from the poor families>>

My father passed away when I was 8 years old. My mother had to raise 6 children on her own. 1/3 of my classmates lost their father before standard 6. Average life expectancy of Urban Chinese Males was 55 years old. Most people in my community were poor and starving. Now, they are doing very well.

Dreamer

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Added on August 18, 2011, 7:25 pmTigerr,

In order for someone to TEACH, a person needs to know the material. Will you asked someone that is lousy in English to teach you English?? That is common sense.

Only after you KNOW that the person know his / her stuff, then, we can talk about teaching method.

A person that knows NOTHING cannot teach you ANYTHING. Regardless of how nice the person is. It is a WASTE of TIME and ENERGY to learn from that person. YOU will learn NOTHING.

So, the QUESTION is how to SPOT people that KNOW NOTHING in order to STOP wasting time listening to that kind of person??

For example, WHY would anyone taking lesson from people on how to manage people when the person has NEVER manage anyone?? The person KNOW NOTHING about managing people..

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 18 2011, 07:25 PM

figuremeout,

personally i think success is a subjective matter.

Bingo. You got IT.

The MOST IMPORTANT person is YOU. Aka, YOUR own POV of what is successful to YOU. Why?? Because that is RELEVANT to YOU. Anyone else's POV is IRRELEVANT.

Plus, a person cannot be HAPPY by trying to satisfy OTHER PEOPLE's POV and GOAL. YOU will be living their lives and their goal.

YOU need to live your own life. Not anyone's else life.

Dreamer

howszat,

<<If the way you want to live your life is to be average, >>

If that is a person's goal, WHY even bother reading this thread??

Dreamer

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Added on August 19, 2011, 5:48 amwaxppl,

Is your goal is ONLY just to be good?? Aka, not the BEST in the world?? In Malaysia??

<<i found out i can be good at anything as long as i put effort. so actually after that i believe that interest can be build.>>

But, will you be THE BEST?? Is good = good enough for you??

Dreamer

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Added on August 19, 2011, 5:53 amalaskanbunny,

He died at 49 years old.

<<are you the refugee/asylum people from other country? how come all the fathered dieded so early?>>

My family had been in Klang for 150+ years. That was common age for many of our fathers to die for that generation. Their life expectancy was only 55.

But, they had a better life. 50% of my grandparents generation and including sibling of my parents were massacred by Japanese during WWII.

Dreamer

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Added on August 19, 2011, 6:00 amxuzen,

What is SUCCESS for YOU??

What motivates YOU??

What do you ENJOY doing??

What can you DO better than average people??

<<My cuurent job is the proprietor of my family Kedai Runcit and I have out-grown it. >>

What do you mean by out-grown it??

It is boring for you??

A problem is the DIFFERENCE between what you EXPECT and what it is.

What do you EXPECT that does not exist in current job??

If you could have ANYTHING, why would you rather have in your new job??

If you could change ONLY one thing in current job, what would you change?? Then, what is STOPPING you from doing this now??

Dreamer

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Added on August 19, 2011, 6:39 amdebbieyss,

So, where is a SINGLE "Thank You" from you to me??

Where are your manner??

So, what does this make YOU??

I am NOT PAID to teach you. A basic COMMON COURTESY is say "Thank You" to someone that help you in some fashion. But, what do I get from you instead?? And, what does this SAY about YOU?? And, what kind of person that you are??

Look at the mirror and ask is this the kind of person that YOU are?? If not, time to change before it is TOO COSTLY for you.

Dreamer

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Added on August 19, 2011, 6:50 amMeruChan,

What makes you THINK that people that putting all their thoughts and energy to become rich are the people that are actually RICH??

The TRUTH is rich people do not become rich by aiming to be rich. That is the SIDE BENEFIT. Their AIM is to be ABOVE AVERAGE aka THE BEST in their chosen career / business. Becoming rich is the unintended benefits. They are having so much fun in their job / business that money is IRRELEVANT.

In fact, in general, people AIMING to be rich normally do not become rich. They do not have the DRIVE and PASSION to survive the dry spell in order to be successful. They will jump around dependent on what makes the most money.

YOU cannot be successful in life if your ONLY goal is MONEY. In fact, it is counter productive.

YOU are thinking like an average person. And, I believe probably you have very little to no FIRST HAND exposure to REAL rich people.

Dreamer


This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 19 2011, 06:50 AM

MeruChan,

1) If a person AIMED to be AVERAGE and NEVER put in the the EXTRA EFFORT, that person could NEVER be the BEST. However, if a person AIMED to be the BEST, he / she MAY NOT be the BEST. But, definitely, the person will be ABOVE AVERAGE.

2) So, what is there to argue about??

3) Let's be honest. Average people has NO GOAL in life. They have NO FOCUS. They wasted most of their free time on doing NOTHING to begin with.

4) Bingo. You have NO FIRST HAND knowledge on people that got rich the RIGHT WAY.

5) We sponsored and supported our mother to travel all over the world. She been to every part of the world except South America and Africa. My brother and sister early retired at 49. They spent all their time with our mother.

Vengeance_Mad,

1) They could find out.

2) Why not?? It will at least let OTHERS see what kind of person that she is.

B u B u,

If YOU are a person that DO what you BELIEVE, there is NO DIFFERENCE. If not,

A) Attitude is what you BELIEVE you are.

B) Behavior is what you ACTUALLY do.

waxppl,

The SHORT ANSWER is you have not found what you LOVE yet. Or, you are in LOVE of the process of LEARNING or doing NEW JOB as opposed to ONE JOB.

YOU are WRONG to focus on JOB. It is CAREER that you need to look at.

I had 10+ jobs across 20+ years. To an outsider, I am NOT FOCUSED. But, I always had an ultimate goal in my mind. The jobs are just a way for my to acquire the necessary skill / capability to get there.

Dreamer

howszat,

Which ONE is YOUR LIFE??

A) Average

B) Rich

Pick ONE. Then, that is YOUR LIFE. So, how could you live someone's else life?? (A) and (B) are mutually exclusive. They are INCOMPATIBLE. YOU cannot have both. That is the BOTTOM LINE.

The PROBLEM is MOST people cannot accept that. They do not want to put in the EXTRA EFFORT but they still want to be RICH. That is the AVERAGE PEOPLE's THINKING and they WHINE all the time.

The HORRIBLE THING is if they use their time and energy SPENT on whining to do something productive, they might get somewhere

YOU know what I am saying. It is just that you cannot accept it.

Dreamer

anzen600,

1) Use short sentence if your English grammar is no good.

2) Excel as in BEST of the world?? I doubt that. Are you making at least above 10K per month??

3) Take MBTI test.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 19 2011, 07:42 PM

howszat,

1) I am a SPEED READER.

2) In this case, it saves me USD 6K to USD 10K per year for 3 to 4 years about 20+ years ago. How much ROI is this.

<<You haven't told us how much time you wasted on all the other handbooks/manuals you read in your life with no returns at all.>>

3) If you CHOOSE not to put in the EXTRA EFFORT, why worry about ME putting in the EXTRA EFFORT??

4) I can finish a handbook / manual much faster than most people spending time whining about reading the manual.

The CHOICE is simple for ME. Whine or read the manual. A person definitely get NOTHING from whining.

I made my choice. I know I have to read a lot of manuals in my life. Instead of whining about it, I LEARN how to read much much faster than average people. Average people WHINE non-stop about this.

This is LIFE. You either face the challenge head on. Or, run away.

Dreamer

howszat,

"If you want to be rich, you are not allowed to be average, and you are not allowed to live your own life".

If you CHOOSE to be RICH, how can that be NOT your own life?? You choose it. Hence, it is YOUR LIFE..

Unless, you are the kind of person that say what you BELIEVE and what you DO cannot be the same??

I don't.

Dreamer

MeruChan,

<<my brother's pretty average. and he's financially independent. he's not the best in his job but he has his skills that are in demand. you know what i mean?>>

1) Your brother is NOT average. Average people do not have skill in demand.

2) Does your brother need to work to support his life style?? If yes, he is NOT financially independent..

<<I am trying to promote a moderate living. >>

3) Why do you ASSUME that rich people CANNOT live moderately??

Dreamer

B u B u,

Most of the time, people don't. I try to achieve that but sometimes I failed too.

Dreamer

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Added on August 20, 2011, 4:44 amPenangLaksa,

1) Yes, I think I am successful. I am living the life style that I want and doing the job that I love. In my book, I am successful.

2) I am RICH. I am saving 50+% of my gross income while I am living in the life style that I want. In my definition, I am RICH. This same definition probably applies to most people too.

<< I am SURPRISED that he can be successful with the sort of " I KNOW IT ALL" attitude that he has.>>

3) There is a BASIC PROBLEM here. Most people do not know what they are talking about. They do not spend the time and effort to study anything DEEPLY. So, sometimes, when you come across a person that ACTUALLY know their stuff, you DO NOT KNOW how to handle this.

For example, many people blah blah blah about rich people this and that. But, when you asked them how many rich persons that they actually know FIRST HAND, the answer is NONE. Meanwhile, somebody that actually know RICH PEOPLE first hand tell you things, you DO NOT KNOW whether you should trust the person.

You DO NOT KNOW how to separate the REAL from the PRETENDER.

The CORRECT QUESTION is how do you LEARN the skill to verify whether a person REALLY know what they are talking about. And, this is INDEPENDENT of whether you know that particular subject.

Dreamer


This post has been edited by dreamer101: Aug 20 2011, 04:44 AM