yeahh. i do a variation of wide, mid and a narrow stance (the diamond shaped thingy). i'm not looking for a crazy build, just something to give a lil shape to my chest cuz that's the least muscular now. very un-proportional.

how many reps do you recommend?

thanks

erm, i think there is no harm doing the trigger point massage right? probably he got the "knot" that limit his ROM during his squat, that why lead to improper form hence injury takes part.

http://www.painwhisperer.com/ptpath/ptpath...owbackpain.html

http://www.triggerpointbook.com/backpain.htm

how many reps you usually done ?? too many ?? just add more weight by wearing weighted vest or just wear the backpack ...make sure you feel the hypertrophy...

Uh, the lumbar spine.

I don't know what those two terms are, but he didn't mention them. I doubt I'll be using any weight at all if I gradually start training again as even bodyweight squats cause me to feel the pain at the lowest portion of the movement.

Alright, I'll look for that book. Thanks.

Edit: Googled the spinal structure. The pain is around the lumbar spine and the sacrum. (I think)

This post has been edited by -Dan: Nov 21 2009, 12:19 PM

i think mine is at lumbar vertebrae... still not serious as urs, bw squat is ok to me...

Lower back pain is not an indication for surgery unless there is loss of sensation or paralysis of lower limbs. X-ray should be taken to exclude fractures, subluxation, dislocation or any bony pathologies like spine tumor or bony metastasis of tumor to the spine.

So if it is just pain without radiological evidence of a pathology, conservative treatment is given first. ie analgesics, physiotherapy, avoidance of aggravating factors, postural changes, lifestyle changes. If symptoms are not improving, further investigations should be done eg MRI/X ray lumbosacral spine.

This post has been edited by Florian: Nov 21 2009, 01:31 PM

Just being curious, what is the set and reps & weight you used for your squat?

There is your problem.

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Added on November 21, 2009, 1:41 pmKyphosis = forward bending of spine (imagine your body bends like a K)
Lordosis = backward bending of the spine (imagine how a proud lord walks)

This post has been edited by Florian: Nov 21 2009, 01:41 PM

well, sometimes it's causes by the gene, i do hit the gym too but my chest are under develop compared to other parts of my body....somemore he is too slim to build some muscle on chest..i guess. hmmm

This post has been edited by FirstOne: Nov 21 2009, 02:30 PM

florian, urm... its not that pain anymore now, so should i consult a doctor or giv my back few days rest to conclude? (go see doct or not to)

urm... its on the 7th set 3rd rep 40kg...

1x8 bar (oly so 20kg?)
1x10 10kg
1x10 20kg
1x10 30kg
3x10 40kg
1x3 40kg

(poundage exclude bar)

rabbit weight

if you can develop other body parts muscle as per desired, i think you can develop your chest muscle as well...it's just that, it's not that easy...as pectoralis major has bigger terrain compared to biceps or triceps...furthermore, this guy does not hit the gym and doesn't even have any dumbells...wether you are genetically gifted or not, just to get lean or a nice bulky chest is achievable...need a lotsa hardwork and it consume times...

Have you seen a doctor before this? If you go to a government hospital, the houseman (junior doctor) will refer you to an orthopedic surgeon. But anyway, can you describe more about the pain? It's site, severity, how long ago the pain started, any radiation of the pain as in does the pain goes to anywhere of the body, does it come and go or it's always there, any specific movement makes it more/less painful, is there any trauma/injury/accident to your back or what were you doing before the pain all started? Or do you have any other symptoms like fever, headache, lost of appetite etc?

If the pain is severe or has been there for a long time ie chronic, they will take an X ray/MRI of your spine to investigate the cause of your back pain. FYI, MRI in a private hospital is very expensive.

If the pain is not severe or not interrupting you daily activities, the doc will just give you panadol (paracetamol) or maybe an additional neurobion (Vitamin B12).

Sure confirm? FYI, you can't see muscles and ligaments in an X ray unless they are calcified. Maybe the doc saw the X ray and there's no bone problem so he said it's a soft tissue injury.

vincent, haha... u kena also? i get that all the time b4.
then rest lor.
after that go low de. =.=
if u find out a cheap place to go check, let me know. =.=
if dont want check? then go light weights.
i got that while deadlift too.
now squat and deadlift cant go heavy.
even wanna lie down also feel pain rite?

urm, i hurted my back yesterday while doing squat... while doing the reps, when i push up i think i went out of form, n feel a sharp pain when i push up... then i stopped training n go home rest...

after that i realise when i arched or curled my back to certain angle i can feel the same pain...

but 2day its better, only lil bit pain...

din see any doct before, no radiation pain as its jz the back part... no history of back injury...

Does the pain like shoot to your legs or does it just stay at your back? Now I want to lie down on your bed facing the ceiling, try if you can lift your legs by flexing your hip joint and with your knees extended, is there any pain when lifting it? Try lifting it as high as possible until you reach 90deg.

At the point of the most pain, is there any pain when you press it?

Looks like it's just some strain.

But then if you feel it really needs checking out, Melaka Hospital's orthopaedics department is really good and I think it's free. Wait you're in Melaka?

This post has been edited by Florian: Nov 21 2009, 03:53 PM

when wan get up, thats when the pain come...

the pain is jz at the back...

urm, if its like doing leg raise, when 90degree will feel pain, else no pain at all...

press my back u mean? nop, no pain at all...

hopefully its not something serious...

yeap, imma in malacca now... but monday got exam

This post has been edited by bagata: Nov 21 2009, 04:07 PM

Well, i think it's just some strained ligaments. But then if you feel if it's worsening, just go to a doc preferably an orthopaedic surgeon, and don't forget to get an MC

thanks florian... i oso think that its nth serious since 2day it is less pain =X

some rest will do rite if its strained ligaments?

This post has been edited by bagata: Nov 21 2009, 04:18 PM

Sorry, what I meant was he ruled out there being any bone damage.

It its only a strain it will get better fast,it it persists then a doc is required!