any review/comments on the new plasma FHD TV : TH-P42 S10K vs the TH42X10K ??

in terms of performance and pricing ?? any reflections issue ?


saw in the STAR paper today...RM4,999 package consist of
new TH-P42S10K (RRP: RM4,499) + Blu-ray plaer DMP-BD60
(RRP: RM1,999), good deal ??

This post has been edited by HW-Racer: May 22 2009, 09:51 PM

if u r really into performance, then pioneer kuro

so cheap !!

there are 3 package to choose from....but I think the best value is the RM4999 with
blu-ray player worth RM1999 + HDMI cable RM99....

don't understand why panny launch so many plasma models within weeks....
(but no new 42" model for LCD Full HD)

Still no 50"?

Anyone got the exact specs for Malysia 42S10 yet?
Couldn't find it in official website.

EDITED:
Info to check panel hours:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1038928/+155

This post has been edited by ronaldjoe: Jul 21 2009, 01:53 PM

http://panasonic.com.my/web/pid/7916

Thanks buddy for help.

Panasonic Plasma TV is getting cheaper ... TH-P42S10K is Full HD and TH-P42X10K is HD only ... 42S10K about 800 expensive than 42X10K ... Plasma Full HD below 5k is worth to get

Yeah, last year the full HD model 42PY800 started at RM7500. This year it starts at RM4500. Maybe the same would appyl for the 50S10K, last year was RM13K maybe this year would be RM8K? Maybe...

finally full hd tv is more cheaper!!

I think G10 is the intended replacement model for PY800. If pana sells that model at around RM7K, it'll be the real deal. I wonder how much premium 'thx certified' carries?

so,TH-P42S10K is better than TH-P42X10K rite...wut is the advantage?

Full HD and HD Ready ...

Advantage - smaller pixels. Although not that much difference if you watch from far.

Disadvantage - runs hotter and higher power consumption.

Bro, have you got your 42S10? Your BD60 wanna let sell it off? We tk this offline. PM

Wei....Q PLEASE!!!!!

how much is the fair price if I have BD-60 to let go which is bundle with 42S10K?

wow, tauke sama tauke also gaduh.. I tot taukeh can jump Q anytime.. later when you both got that huge SVS bolster, can see pillow fight?

i wanto see those big pillow fight ... haha

anyone else get the deal?? saw harvey norman in Ikano was doing tat over weekend

How much for 42S10k set only in Harvey Norman??

no 50' ka...aiyo...

aiyo...i think they haven't clear off theirold stock yet

clearstock sure2 low price...time to plasma..haha

Aint here yet. I guess it would be here soon

s10 sure the price boost...and also come with package...maybe next month..haha

as long i compare the spec....s10 42' with x10 42', i think there is a little upgrade n not very different if we are just use the plasma to watch astro...blueray, other story la...

Planning to get one unit this weekend.
Hope it will turn out to be a good one.

bro..just asking..y not thinking abt x10 50'??????

This post has been edited by apexg2: May 26 2009, 12:45 PM

Price for set only RM3200, in Kuching. Just RM300 more than what I paid for my X10.

Would choose either 42S10 or 50S10...tho local S10 has lower grade panel compared to US model
Difference of G10 - 660hz, 40k Contrast, 10 bit panel maybe...+ Viera Cast and 24p Cinema playback
Since now other BD player has viera cast as well, there would double Viera Cast function if getting combo BD player + G10
So S10 is better bang for buck for myself

S10 dun have 50' la bro...oni 42', if X10 got both..

GOT LA! not yet launch only....
newbie wanna act pro n advice senior

sorry if im mistake..i know im newbie here...please teach me if im wrong...dun shoot me la bro...just give opinion wut i know...as long wut i know, oni got 42'...s50' dun have in market rite now...just my info...

The S10 is so cheap now. Managed to bargain to RM4200. That is quite cheap for a Full HD. I can tell you its more worth it than the X10 as, besides being full HD, it has less reflection that the X10.

We can get it for RM3200 here....and I should have waited a few weeks. Got the X10 in April, PQ is great after calibration.

3200 for X10 or S10?

S10..I know of someone who just bought it. Also called the shop, and the manager confirmed it.

Damn cheap la 3.2k for S10

KL also cannot find

Confirm S10 have got less reflective screen then X10? That is a wonderful piece of news for me because I am so desperate for a 50" plasma

Hi,
Can you provide the shop name and contact (can PM me if you prefer). If it's that cheap, will ask my cousin get it for me.

S10 @ rm3200? or they confuse "s" with "x"? mind to tell which shop? btw, "c" series is launching soon? so many series

Folks, you all made me call him up again to re-reconfirm! YES, it's S10. Go look for Mr Jong of CL Khoon, and..it wouldn't hurt to tell him "Wong" sent you all running there.

ok thks, will see if haw could beat them
btw, if u plan to upgrade, sound me

I'm good, thanks!! Looking at HT set up now..

Wow.. 42" S10 only RM3200? So interesting. I saw this model with movie played, nice picture & very less reflection. I just bought 42" x10 3 weeks ago.

This post has been edited by Jemi: May 29 2009, 10:58 AM

Sure or not S10 RM3200??? RRP with free gift is RM4999 wor, canot be lah.

Sigh! I so WISH it's not true...I bought X10 a few weeks ago.

i asked the price of S10 here.. it costs 4499 nowhere near the 3200!

Then I suppose I can only speak for my seller here. Where in the world is superyaw...he bought it so he can vouch for this.

i source around too. can't really find the unit @3200. still bundle with BD60 more worthy.

RM4499 is the RSP of S10.

Now the RSP for S10 + BD60 = RM4999

With cash can get at RM4599.

If the shop managed to sell BD60 at 1.5k, which retailed for RM1999, what's so surprising about S10 going for 3.2k?

Htkaki sell pana plasma too. Maybe he can tell us if RM3200 is true for 42s10. Can ship to sarawak?

Unbelievable but my cousin did call CL Khoon, Mr Jong 082-234899. The price for S10 he said was RM3200 after 30% discount (which means b4 disc RM4570+). He did say 'S' for singapore too. To avoid confusion he asked for X10 price but he said he doesn't have X10. Now, is it worth to transport it back here.....? If you still don't believe, give him a call.

Hope this put the doubters at ease now. Now we wait for personal reviews.

Wah 3200 is an ultimate deal. Like this, the 50 inch S would be, say about RM5000.

Haha, i am the 1 who bought @ RM3200.00 la. Currently doing the break in. Screen reflection issue is much much better than x10 but i cant compare the colour and motion cause currently the shop dont have x10 model. Mind to share the break in setting? How much contrast, brightness and colour should i set? I still cant call out the service menu to check for the total usage use. Anyone can help?

where exactly did you buy for RM3200?

waiting for the s50

btw, when will the g series coming up

This post has been edited by keekuat: May 30 2009, 10:02 AM

I manage to call out the service menu to check for the usage use. So far i had done for about 7 hours for the break in and 3-4 hours for watching movies but just now i check the usage use in the service menu, it was only 34 mins. Is this normal?

Weird. Can you post a screen shot just to confirm that u r in the right page....Anyway, will pm u abt my trip to kuching. Will be there the week of the 8th June.

Which package are the best choice from pana's promotion?
1. Th-P42S10k + DMP-BD 60 = RM4,999
2. TH-P42S10K + SC-PT870 = RM5,899
or P42S10K + SC-PT570 = RM5,499.

The first one. But it all depends on what you need.

Maybe is my mistake. 34:30 is it 34 hours or 34 minutes?

This post has been edited by superyaw: May 30 2009, 08:45 PM

got my S10 from htkaki
originally went to buy x10
really really worth it la s10 compared to x10
i have had it for 1 week

This post has been edited by Executioner: May 30 2009, 10:56 PM

I believe it is 34 hrs 30 mins....

htkaki, how much you selling the S10? Pls pm me.

I'm confuse which one are best choice? I want home theater (Htib) but i dont know the sound quality of pana's Htib compare to Pioneer's Htib?
How about quality of DMP-BD 60?

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Added on May 31, 2009, 1:05 pmhtkaki, how much for the S10 without package? Pls pm me.

This post has been edited by mattzzx: May 31 2009, 01:05 PM

The plasma tv TH-P42S10K Review
The Bluray Player DMP-BD60 Review

Today, I go to Queensbay Mall Penang and saw this model. This is a very exciting deal.

For sure, the best deal is the Plasma TV + BD Player + HDMI Cable.

The Plasma TV priced at RM4499, with top up RM500 to get the BD player, resulting in RM4999. The normal price for this BD Player is RM1999, which save around RM1500.

I went to Harvey Norman, Senq and CSH (a Panasonic Dealer).

At each shop, I compare the TV side by side with the X10 model.

For DVD, for sure, X10 and S10 both perform very well, even if compare with the 42PY800 model, you hardly see any different on these set, detail and color reproduction is very good.

But the guy at Senq let me view the BD, play with the bundled DMP-BD60 player. He play the I-Robot movie, I can say, if you don't stand too close, you are very hard to see any different between S10 and X10

You will notice that the S10 model used a less reflective glass panel, which reduce glare. Compare side by side with X10, S10 really reduce much more reflection from fluorescent light, as witness in the shop.

And for sure, S10 is a little bit more detailed than X10, because it is a Full HD model.
S10 also produce a little bit more smoother picture if compare to X10.

The major different here, as said in CNET review, is the color accuracy. I have witness this, S10 have problem with green color, which is over saturated, and cannot be adjusted, resulting the whole picture more greenish in color, and darker if compare to X10, while the X10 color is far more natural.

So, is depend on your eye to judge which one you really like, I prefer X10 natural color, and also prefer S10 detail and picture smoothness. But S10 is a better deal, the bundled BD Player is a good player.

The DMP-BD60 is Profile 2.0-compliant, can decode all HD Audio currently available, such as Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD master audio, which is a 7.1 channel surround. It is also a DVD upscaling player, which I also witness this as the same time as the salesman also play DVD for me to refer, it is a whole new experience with upscaled DVD. It also can play Youtube video via internet, you can plug the Ethernet cable to the player to enjoy Youtube, or other extra content offer by BD Live. At last, it can play MP3, AVCHD, JPEG, and have SD card slot.

For RM4999, you cannot go wrong with this. If the Greenish color is not your concern, this is the best offer available now. I was told that the BD Player offer is very limited, so have to hurry to get it.

At last, Harvey Norman offer 3 year warranty, Senq offer 2 year warranty, and CSH offer 5 year warranty.
Harvey Norman said can pay RM300 for booking if afraid the BD Player offer is end, the booking last for 3 month.
If really don't want to buy, you can change the RM300 with other electrical production, but sure no refund. Senq can get around RM4849 with BD player. CSH no discount, but offer 5 year Panasonic warranty, with no extra charges.

I think I must fast to make decision now, budget is tight.

This post has been edited by Alan Yee: May 31 2009, 11:08 PM

If the Greenish color is not your concern, this is the best offer available now. [/quote]


Is this greenish issue can easily visualize? Let say, if my viewing distance is at 10 feets, can we really see it?

If it is 10 feet, you won't notice it as green, you will see the whole picture is darker.

The greenish actually make the picture look darker, especially the white and blue color, which is over saturated to green color.

You only can notice the greenish if you stand too close, about 1 meter, you will see some near dark, or near dark green color.

If you compare side by side with X10, you can easily see the different.

Hi Alan

Great review.

I too have had a chance to view the TH-P42S10K with the DMP-BD60.

But unlike you, have a chance to review the said TV with a Samsung Series 5 Full HD LCD tv.

The Samsung TV looks VERY SHARP and CRISP (Transformer 1, any desert scene) but when viewing night scenes (Underworld 1) the scenes appear VERY grainy

Switching over to the TH-P42S10K, the scene although not as sharp (Transformer), overall everything looks more natural (the night scenes in Underworld 1 and 3 is to be seen to be believe).

Now that I have pointed out the difference between LCD and Plasma, the major issue I initially had with the TH-P42S10K was banding issue.

I was watching Fantastic 4 where they were travelling to the space station before the cosmic ray storm, as the space craft approached the space station, the afterburners were different shades of white, to my horror, the gradient of whites were not smooth but different bands of white!

Was crushed, thought that I had found my dream FHD TV/Blu-Ray player

Have expressed my concern to my friend (the Pana Shop owner)

He asked me to give him a little bit of time to tweak the TV.

I did a little research online pertaining to the banding issue and it turned out the Greater the TV's capacity to contrast, the more severe the banding issue is (I cannot remember the exact contrast capability of the TV, but somewhere along the line of 1:2000000, pls correct me if I'm wrong)

I return a week later after he had used the Spyder Color Correction solution on the TV and the banding issue had greatly diminish

BD disc like BARAKA, Underworld 1 - 3, Transporter 2 - 3, Fifth Element (Remastered), Transformer and Hulk (Ang Lee), all looked great (some better then others, depending on disc)

Because I didn't have the TH-P42X10K next to it, I really didn't see a "greenish" issue (maybe the color correction solution is THAT good)

As for the Blu-Ray player, I played and original Fantastic 4 DVD compared to the Blu-Ray Fantastic 4, I cannot see much of a difference, which leads to two possible coclusion

a) The Video Upscale of the BD player is fantastic

b) Fantastic 4 DB is mediocre

(it had been suggested by a very popular BD reseller on the Low Yat forum that the later is true)

But playing BD disc (Region A and Region Free) is a breeze

My two sens worth

Tq for your info....
How about pana's Htib compare to Pioneer Htib in term of quality, function etc?

Maybe those who have electric and electronic knowledge can help me with my question:

I notice that the S10 power consumption is so much higher (350W) compared to X10 (285w). Does the number means there will be a noticeable increase on my electricity or am I just too concern about the numbers. The S10 has the same power consumption of a 50" X10 plasma! I thought NeoPDP plasma is suppose to use less electricity??

anyone tried connecting plasma tv to a notebook via the HDMI cable?i connected but the plasma tv shows a blank black screen on the plasma tv.any idea?

U have to configure the settings on your laptop to set the plasma as a second monitor.

i did do that...but with no luck.this is a link to my SS of my setting.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1039946/+1600

there is another 3 SS of my ATI control center setting at the bottom of that page.

pls help....took me whole afternoon but also with no luck.

S10 number is higher because of its 2.6 times more pixels than X10.
But when you compare the power of earlier Generations FullHD 42" model of G11 TH-42PY800H (475W) or G10 TH-42PY700H (527W), the 2009 G12 PDP panel use in S10 has improved power efficiency !

The S10 panel is listed as Generation 12 (G12) PDP, while higher series G panel is listed as G12 NeoPDP.

Specs on cnet report
Checking out the specs carefully and press release, local TH-P42S10K (S series) has never been identified as using NeoPDP panel with double efficiency tech, only that its circuit and drive units are upgraded for 2009 release together with true NeoPDP panel G series. Note that the S10 panel has lowered sub-field drive to 550Hz and Native CR to 30,000:1 but still has improved Moving Pic Resolution to full 1080 lines.

IMHO this current limited offer of S10 series could be one way for Panny factory to clear out first/early batch of new G12 PDP panels with upgraded latest electronics that still gives it some slightly improved specs over last year Full HD models.

This post has been edited by mkhor7: Jun 3 2009, 06:16 PM

Well, maybe the set I view is not tuned to optimum setting, so that the color is not that great.
But the picture mode of the set that I view is set to "Dynamic", well just maybe, the default setting is not that good.

I dunno whether it is a "NEO Plasma" or not, but it do have an "Eco Mode", which also available on X10. This mode utilizes a photo sensor to measure the ambient light conditions in the room and adjusts the panel brightness accordingly. The resulting picture, however, is dimmer than other picture mode. This also in turn, maybe more power saving.

Actually, I not only view this set beside X10, but also view beside the TH-L37G10K Panasonic G Series Full HD LCD, and the old PV80.

These set, X10, S10, PV80 and the G10 LCD, all look great on the BD60. Like I already said, the only main different here is the color. The G10 LCD is the brightest among all, X10 color is most natural.

The "Greenish", err.... only is more visible on light color such as white and light blue color, and is only been noticeable, if compare to brighter plasma, such as X10, and LCD TV.

I really notice this, because the BD version I-Robot movie, the color on the robot, which I seen as white + blue color on X10 and the G10, turn out to be a dimmer and darker color in S10. The white is not show as white, and the blue is not show as blue, but become little green or cyan.

But if you don't compare to other set, this set Picture Quality is one of the best among other in this price point.
Just my humble opinion.

Hi AlanYee,

Good review and info.

I'm also tempted to get either X10 or S10. Still can't make any decision yet. Of course the S10 with BD player is the best package, but with this greenish issue, I really need to carefully consider.

I heard there is a warehouse sale this weekend at Harvey Norman. BTW, I'm in Penang. Maybe we can meet up. PM me. Thks.

I AM A SALESMAN IN A VERY WELL-KNOWN ELECTRICAL CHAIN-STORE SHOP IN MALAYSIA, IN MY SHOP ,
(PANASONIC-42S10K (FULL HD) + PANASONIC BLUE-RAY PLAYER) IS SELLING FOR :RM 4699 .00 FOR CASH PRICE
JUST CALL ME 016-648 9355 ....TQ !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi jimmyteng18, I think I will let go on this. My budget is not sufficient to buy this set.

You better hurry, last Sunday, the Harvey Norman salesman told me only left 3 unit with the DMP-BD60 offer, other have been bought or booked by other ppl.

You can go to SenQ to do the comparison, there is a Panasonic corner at there that let you view both S10 and X10, with DMP-BD60.

Hi Alan,

Thanks for the info. I will try to check with other china-man shops and compare the price before making any decision.
Question is, do I really need a BD60 player included in the 42S10 package since the discs are still expensive.
I also consider only the 42X10 unit without package.

Anyone has S10 properly calibrated?
I am still looking for the setting in AVS forum.
Don't seem to have S10 calibration setting at the moment.
Appreciate sifu's input on this.
Thanks in advance.

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Added on June 2, 2009, 2:10 pmWrong post...
Your deal isn't good enough

This post has been edited by ronaldjoe: Jun 2 2009, 02:10 PM

Should we set higher contrast and brightness during break in period or lower? I keep searching for the previous post, some said we should lower down the contrast and brightness during the 1st 100 -200 hours of break in but some said we should set it to higher constrast and brightness by using dynamic mode with the break in dvd. Anyone can advise?

It is just a matter of your preference. You don't really need the BD60 player.
I recommend to buy with the player because it really is a good bargain.
The BD player itself is among those high quality player at its own category, comparable to those high end model, not bad if you consider it.

But the discs for sure, is still much more expensive than DVD, but you get what you pay for, only Bluray can provide the Full HD 1080P picture quality. But the player itself also upscale DVD, same as those high end DVD player, so is not a bad choice anyway.

For me, to fully utilize the Full HD of the TV, Bluray is a must.
But it is OK also to watch without Bluray, since the S10 can handle the Standard Definition signal very well.

This post has been edited by Alan Yee: Jun 2 2009, 08:54 PM

I think we have to think wut we need not wut we want.....all peoples want many things but do they really need it?erm, just my 2cent..budget wisely and go get the best wut u need...huh!!

superyaw,

If u r using the break in dvd. then set the contrast and brightness higher. This is because you want to evenly wear your phospors. If u are not using the break in dvd, I would advise you to reduce the contrast and brightness significantly during the early hours of the plasma life to reduce possibility of burn in due to static logos from TV channel logos.

Hope that explains your questions.

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Added on June 3, 2009, 8:44 amActually, the S10/X10 does not handle SD that is in interlaced form as well as other displays. So for SD (DVD) I would advise you to send a progressive signal to the display. S10/X10 does a good job as long as it receives a progressive signal ie (480p, 576p , 720p, 1080p) and not 480i, 576i and 1080i
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For Astro, if u have a AVR that has an upscaling/deinterlacing capability, it would be better to send Astro to that AVR and then to the display.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jun 3 2009, 08:44 AM

Would this improve the PQ on Astro channels? I don't suppose ALL current AVR models have upscaling/deinterlacing capability? Still shopping for a decent AVR, and getting confused.

This post has been edited by podrunner: Jun 3 2009, 09:18 AM

Actually, have seen KH-P42S10K in the shop with astro connected.

The Panasonic Viera chip does a decent job of cleaning up (digital noise reduction) Astro's signal

Have ordered a set. SHould arrive on the 13/06/09

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Added on June 3, 2009, 11:12 amI have to agree with Alan

If you have a good collection of DVD [especially D9 ones] the DMP-BD60 upscale feature should give you close to 720p images

Tha means better picture quality then what you have now.

The Panasonic promo which bundle the KH-P42S10K + DMP-BD60 is a pretty good deal for now.

Try a Panashop and see if you can arm twist them down to RM4,650 and below

My two sens worth

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Added on June 3, 2009, 11:16 am[quote=ronaldjoe,Jun 2 2009, 02:07 PM]
Anyone has S10 properly calibrated?
I am still looking for the setting in AVS forum.
Don't seem to have S10 calibration setting at the moment.
Appreciate sifu's input on this.
Thanks in advance.

My friend promised me thet he would Spyder Calibrate my KH-P42S10K.

But will only get me set on the 13th June

Will post the calibration figures after that if anyone is still interested.

This post has been edited by Mov_freak: Jun 3 2009, 11:16 AM

Wow thanks. 13th June ain't long.
Still waiting and break in mine now
Spider Calibrate

I shd be able to calibrate one soon, if the owner wants to share settings its up to him.

Spyder might need to watch out, there are known problems with some models when calibrating plasmas..

The problem with the Spyder2 is not the actual capability of the sensor itself but variability in quality from the factory. Spyder Pro is better because it is built to a tighter tolerance but still there are many people who report problems with it.

It would be better to get a X-Rite Display2 for this purpose.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Jun 3 2009, 01:08 PM

Getting the BD-60 is the best deal in town. You can easily download mkv files form the net and use TSmuxer to re-convert it into AVCHD format and watch it in the BD player. Hi-res at 720p and 1080p.

No need to buy BD at the moment.

If using AVCHD, I think no need the BD-60, the TH-P42S10K already can read the AVCHD format via SD card. So just buy some 4GB or 8GB SD card, and load the AVCHD into it, and direct enjoy on the TV.

This post has been edited by Alan Yee: Jun 3 2009, 01:39 PM

thats mean, if we save a mp4 movie, we can play direct with the sd-card?noob question here..

He is using Spyder3Pro which I think is pretty good.

When I first tested the KH-P42S10K, there were very obvious banding issue (Fantastic 4 BD, scene 3 if I'm not mistaken, when the team is approaching the space station, just before the cosmic storm. The Space craft afterburner were different bands of white, instead of the smooth gradient), because of the TV's high contrast.

After he spyder calibrated the TV the banding is way less obvious, also tested out BD like Baraka (amazing picture quality), Underworld Trilogy (dark scenes were fantastic, the amount of details), so for me the Spyder3Pro worked. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Added on June 3, 2009, 4:02 pmHe is using Spyder3Pro which I think is pretty good.

When I first tested the KH-P42S10K, there were very obvious banding issue (Fantastic 4 BD, scene 3 if I'm not mistaken, when the team is approaching the space station, just before the cosmic storm. The Space craft afterburner were different bands of white, instead of the smooth gradient), because of the TV's high contrast.

After he spyder calibrated the TV the banding is way less obvious, also tested out BD like Baraka (amazing picture quality), Underworld Trilogy (dark scenes were fantastic, the amount of details), so for me the Spyder3Pro worked. Correct me if I'm wrong.

This post has been edited by Mov_freak: Jun 3 2009, 04:02 PM

Banding? Plasmas rarely have banding due to higher gradients then the LCDs...I do not have the BD FF only FF2, need to check it out.

If it worked for you, then it shd be ok. I believe the calibrator shd know what he was doing. Did he calibrate the grayscale in the service menu? How was the gamma curve?