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post Mar 30 2009, 09:58 PM, updated 17y ago

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Discussion about the new 2009 model TH-P42X10K. My unit is reaching me in 2 weeks, already ordered. Can't wait. biggrin.gif

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post Mar 30 2009, 10:18 PM

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how much u bought?
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lauching price rm3699 + freebies
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QUOTE(stupid @ Mar 30 2009, 10:33 PM)
lauching price rm3699 + freebies
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Any idea what freebies they giving out?
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quite worth it. The redang thing is worth a few hundred ringgit. Much check the hotel though. Suddenly see, crap hotel pulak
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At RM3,699 + freebies it's a good deal coz last time PV80 was launched at RM4299.
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yep! I think Panasonic latest pricing is very good for the consumer. At least its a good reduction from PV80 back some moons ago when its launched!

I'm hoping 5 yrs from now, 50in plasma with full HD to be about same price...or even earlier....perhaps
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Would love to see how much improvement does this model have compared to PV80.
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One thing for sure, this 2009 design looks more attractive to me, my HM had been complaining about PV80's fugly design everytime I told her I wanted to get that for her Astro.
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QUOTE(CyberianHusky @ Mar 31 2009, 12:59 PM)
Honestly, if the new PX10 sells at 3699 or 3299 im still glad i got my PV80 at 2999.

There is more to invest than just the tv alone, and the RM300 - RM700  extra money i find it very useful to put on side purchases.

For instance:

Monster Cable: RM130
Extra Household Items Insurance (cover lightning+theft) = RM150
altogether already RM280.
then, i can also think of
New HDMI DVD Player perhaps? RM 300
New PS2 /PS3? RM1599
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PV80 was retailed at RM3999 before PX10 was launched. And you managed to buy it at RM2999. Now the PX10 was only retailed at RM3699, asked an electrical shop in SS2, cash term will be less than RM3k. No point comparing purchased price with RSP.
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how much u bought?
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Wow, pricing is definately aggresive this year. 42 incher below 3K. And it will only drop further...how much is the question. Imagine just a few years ago a 34in CRT was more than 3-4K.
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Can you tell me which shop you bought the 42X10 for 3k?

Any idea what your shop/source selling the 42PV80 and 50PV80? My buddy want to get the 50in and 42in PV80.

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Yea which shop in Bukit Tinggi ?
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I guess the new models are cheaper because they save some cost for lowering warranty from 5 yrs to 3 yrs.
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Forgotten the name but it is just opposite AEON Bukit Tinggi, those shoplots along Lorong Batu Nilam, got a Panasonic sponsored signboard in front.
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If the shop have Panasonic Signboard and opposite AEON Shopping Mall, location near traffic light the name such Zeally Sdn Bhd.
If I not mistaken coz I had deal with that shop last year.

It is true the shop selling Panasonic Plasma 42 at RM3k, coz the other item price a bit high from Jusco. May be the price could nego
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QUOTE(Barricade @ Mar 31 2009, 02:22 PM)
Forgotten the name but it is just opposite AEON Bukit Tinggi, those shoplots along Lorong Batu Nilam, got a Panasonic sponsored signboard in front.
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Ohh, there's two shops there, one which sells only Panasonic products and the other one sells General Electrical Appliances, which one is it? Is it the one nearer to the Pappa Kopitiam one?
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If you can do us a favor when your unit arrived in 2 weeks, pls ask what the price for 50PV80.
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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Mar 31 2009, 03:18 PM)
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If you can do us a favor when your unit arrived in 2 weeks, pls ask what the price for 50PV80.
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just came back from Best Denki. 50" is just tooo freaking GIGANTIC for ma small living room laugh.gif from 8ft to 10ft and the standard definition sources just look hideous on any of the LCD/plasma sets shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(cafee @ Mar 31 2009, 04:30 PM)
RM 3500 Harvey Norman - getting on Saturday 4th April

Free - HDMI Cable / S-Video / Cap / T-shirt + others voucher etc
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Congrats! Don't see you getting much sleep this weekend! heh!

Don't forget to come back here with a personal review! Will be waiting for that, thanks!
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anyone got the new model 50" and above pricing ?
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I hope that can get less than 3k n include the wall mount will be the best...haha
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Barricade, can you see you official receipt and give us the name and telephone number?

Are you sure its RM3000?

If it is this price, commontan should be able to give us cheaper.

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Let us wait for commontan's price biggrin.gif
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commontan, give us a good price lah, at least beat the RM3000 figure
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I don't know what you mean on 8-10ft with 50in LCD/Plasma, standard definition is hideous? Too close to TV?

As for std definition, you refering to Astro or pasar DVD?

My living room not that big either. Its about 4meter viewing distance. I wish to have go with the 50in plasma actually!
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the last i saw 50pv80 during was rm5549 in sunway with installment plan and expected to be around or cheaper for that price if u plan to get SG warranty from those shops in SS2 or pudu while for those who willing to wait for 50x10 series, price round at around 6k-6k+, should be out at the end of April....

BTW : Just becareful of re-packed display of 42pv80 as it has already out of stock for most of the dealers

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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Apr 1 2009, 08:54 AM)
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I don't know what you mean on 8-10ft with 50in LCD/Plasma, standard definition is hideous? Too close to TV?

As for std definition, you refering to Astro or pasar DVD?

My living room not that big either. Its about 4meter viewing distance. I wish to have go with the 50in plasma actually!
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i dont know the source of the video but they were definitely not HD. I was viewing the LCD/plasmas inches of the screen. Still the hidef source for Panasonic setting looked so nice. Maybe just me, pq for other sets were like slightly better version of youtube vids!

i said that the 50" is too big for my living room cuz i only have the viewing distance of 8-10 ft. 37-42 should be nice. 32" is still rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Apr 1 2009, 12:43 PM)
i dont know the source of the video but they were definitely not HD. I was viewing the LCD/plasmas inches of the screen. Still the hidef source for Panasonic setting looked so nice. Maybe just me, pq for other sets were like slightly better version of youtube vids!

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What model you look at la? Slightly better than Youtube vids? LCD may be bad but not that bad with Astro.

Even me now on Astro using S Video and china mali DVD player and pasar DVD, its a whole lot better than my CRT 29in!

Actually when I look at the HD or even Blu ray on 42PV80 and Pioneer Kuro, its not that much of difference, not enough to justify 2.5k diff, not even rm500 worth.. and when I surf with my Wii, I can read the mail and news clearly which I can't on the CRT...unless i zoom in. With the PV80, no such need!

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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Apr 1 2009, 03:44 PM)
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What model you look at la? Slightly better than Youtube vids? LCD may be bad but not that bad with Astro.

Even me now on Astro using S Video and china mali DVD player and pasar DVD, its a whole lot better than my CRT 29in!

Actually when I look at the HD or even Blu ray on 42PV80 and Pioneer Kuro, its not that much of difference, not enough to justify 2.5k diff, not even rm500 worth.. and when I surf with my Wii, I can read the mail and news clearly which I can't on the CRT...unless i zoom in. With the PV80, no such need!
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some of the youtube vids actually look decent on my 20 LCD and 17 CRT monitor but the movies played at Best Denki were just rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif you can go and have a look with your own eyes. The only good setting were Pasonic and the Toshiba setting, Toshiba was feed with HD DVD source me think. The HD DVD player under neath the LCD was running at the time of my viewing
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Apr 1 2009, 05:48 PM)
some of the youtube vids actually look decent on my 20 LCD and 17 CRT monitor but the movies played at Best Denki were just  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  you can go and have a look with your own eyes. The only good setting were Pasonic and the Toshiba setting, Toshiba was feed with HD DVD source me think. The HD DVD player under neath the LCD was running at the time of my viewing
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If you can, bring your own source to test. Some shops that I went to doesn't even let you try Astro now, saying they do not subscribe to Astro...speak volumes eh?
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Court and Sen Heng have Astro feed! Test to your heart content!
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Bought PV80 at rm3,899 last year sept.Wat a great prices for newer model ! Impress with the pricing. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Apr 1 2009, 12:43 PM)
i dont know the source of the video but they were definitely not HD. I was viewing the LCD/plasmas inches of the screen. Still the hidef source for Panasonic setting looked so nice. Maybe just me, pq for other sets were like slightly better version of youtube vids!

i said that the 50" is too big for my living room cuz i only have the viewing distance of 8-10 ft. 37-42 should be nice. 32" is still  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif
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Well my viewing distance is also about 10 ft & I am using a 50" Plasma........look Ok to me not too big actually. Can see all the hair clearly. tongue.gif
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Hi, which shop you guys went to see this new model? I went to HN pyramid not available
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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Apr 1 2009, 10:23 PM)
Well my viewing distance is also about 10 ft & I am using a 50" Plasma........look Ok to me not too big actually. Can see all the hair clearly. tongue.gif
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my damn problem is my sofa is european size making my living room rediculously small. stooopid never check before purchase the sofa. need to dump it and get a reguar Malaysian size sofa laugh.gif
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Hi,

I am planning to look for a new Plasma TV. At first, I set my sight on the 42PV80h. However, since the new model is out, I am holding it back.

Any significant different between this 2 model? I still do not have time to check out the new model. So hope to get some opinion here rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(naleh33 @ Apr 2 2009, 02:50 PM)
Hi,

I am planning to look for a new Plasma TV. At first, I set my sight on the 42PV80h. However, since the new model is out, I am holding it back.

Any significant different between this 2 model? I still do not have time to check out the new model. So hope to get some opinion here  rclxms.gif
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Pros: Better contrast, better PQ, better color reproduction, better design & cheaper.

Cons: 3 yrs warranty only compared to PV80 5 yrs

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W00t, nobody actually bought it yet?
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bro, mentioned in earlier postings. cafee bought it. His unit arriving tomorrow. Barricade in less than 2 weeks time. That's a bit of long wait there.
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bro, mentioned in earlier postings. cafee bought it. His unit arriving tomorrow. Barricade in less than 2 weeks time. That's a bit of long wait there.
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[WTS] Pana new 42X10K - RM3,900(Free SDR-S26)


how much if without that 'free' gift?


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i tot retail is 3699?
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I think the real gain on the 42X10 over 42PV80 is the 30000:1 vs1 15000:1 contrast ratio. I'm sure there is some visual difference but you need to setup both system on same source to see the diff if its worth the RM700.

But seems like a lot of hot deal going on now with Redang trip thrown in, and freebies. So you need to determine if its worth it.

I saw the 42X10, and it spot new border frame which is a lot more curvy and shiny and very reflective so its a tad annoying. The stand is not swivel anymore. Its fixed.
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 3 2009, 11:54 AM)
i tot retail is 3699?
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4K price is + a Panasonic Video Camera + + +

me think Panasonic is giving a grace period for dealers to clear out PV80++. Once that period is over, you will see dealers removing the freebies and selling the X10 sets at cool.gif cool.gif cool.gif prices
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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Apr 3 2009, 01:13 PM)
I think the real gain on the 42X10 over 42PV80 is the 30000:1 vs1 15000:1 contrast ratio. I'm sure there is some visual difference but you need to setup both system on same source to see the diff if its worth the RM700.

But seems like a lot of hot deal going on now with Redang trip thrown in, and freebies. So you need to determine if its worth it.

I saw the 42X10, and it spot new border frame which is a lot more curvy and shiny and very reflective so its a tad annoying. The stand is not swivel anymore. Its fixed.
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did nt check the stand. Ants looked nice on it laugh.gif
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the camcorder seems pariah biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(rx330 @ Apr 3 2009, 02:57 PM)
the camcorder seems pariah biggrin.gif
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wah. i thought 720p capable - to suit the 720p res of x10 tongue.gif


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the camcorder seems pariah biggrin.gif
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I'd put a 100 bucks on the fact that when the new 42X10 comes around, there'll still be people here telling us that "The old pv80 is better, warranty is longer, bezel is less reflective" or shit like that when in actual fact, they are beating themselves up for not being capable of owning the new one... trust me, its already happening.

It is better to accept the fact that there are things out of your league, but telling us an obsolete product is better, you really need your medications.
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the camcorder is selling for >1100 with a free SD card outside
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Wonder if they deduct the camcorder out how much will it be.
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Yes new model will always come with improvement at a price, but not every new replacement model are superior to the previous model in terms of market perception and selling! Its the value perception that dictate the selling! The 42X10 is a bargain since its priced at 3.7k brand new vs PV80 at about 4.2k but if the 42PV80 can be had at 2.8k its an entirely different story!
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Yes new model will always come with improvement at a price, but not every new replacement model are superior to the previous model in terms of market perception and selling! Its the value perception that dictate the selling! The 42X10 is a bargain since its priced at 3.7k brand new vs PV80 at about 4.2k but if the 42PV80 can be had at 2.8k its an entirely different story!
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Don't make things complicated as it is not. Forget about PV80 price when it is first launched. It was years ago and the old price doesn't even do justice for the market now. There is no comparison to be done now, Panasonic stop producing PV80, X10 is the replacement, nuff said. In a few weeks more, PV80 will be erased from retailer pricelist. It is simply not available to purchase anymore.

For now, PV80 @ RM2.8k, I can get X10 @ RM3k. No point stating the 3.7k price because that is the RSP. Only dumbass will buy at big crook store such as SenQ/Harvey Norman etc because they're selling at RSP. If you ask outside from those reseller like Legend, Desa, X10 is only around 3k for cash term!
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QUOTE(electron @ Apr 3 2009, 04:08 PM)
the camcorder is selling for >1100 with a free SD card outside
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don't even bother with the camcorder, I had the same one, quality is so bad!
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[WTS] Pana new 42X10K - RM3,900(Free SDR-S26)
how much if without that 'free' gift?
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RM2,900 cash.

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RM2,900 cash.
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where can I buy it for RM2900 cash?
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QUOTE(attentional @ Apr 4 2009, 01:56 PM)
Don't make things complicated as it is not. Forget about PV80 price when it is first launched. It was years ago and the old price doesn't even do justice for the market now. There is no comparison to be done now, Panasonic stop producing PV80, X10 is the replacement, nuff said. In a few weeks more, PV80 will be erased from retailer pricelist. It is simply not available to purchase anymore.

For now, PV80 @ RM2.8k, I can get X10 @ RM3k. No point stating the 3.7k price because that is the RSP. Only dumbass will buy at big crook store such as SenQ/Harvey Norman etc because they're selling at RSP. If you ask outside from those reseller like Legend, Desa, X10 is only around 3k for cash term!
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Attentional, thanks for pointing that out to us dumbass and all. Didn't know the X10 price is also dropping fast from 3.5 to 3.3 to 3k now in less than 1 month! Man, its good time to get into plasma game!

Will ask my buddy to check out the 50X10 at Legend, to see if it can be had at 5k! because if they can sell the 42X10 at 3k..surely they can do 50X10 at 5k, because that was the speculated price for 50PV80. That will be a bargain!


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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Apr 4 2009, 10:18 PM)
Attentional, thanks for pointing that out to us dumbass and all. Didn't know the X10 price is also dropping fast from 3.5 to 3.3 to 3k now in less than 1 month! Man, its good time to get into plasma game!

Will ask my buddy to check out  the 50X10 at Legend, to see if it can be had at 5k! because if they can sell  the 42X10 at 3k..surely they can do 50X10 at 5k, because that was the speculated price for 50PV80. That will be a bargain!
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I hope can get the 50 inch for RM5k. I would surely buy one. Really worth it. I love Panasonic plasmas. They are so good in quality.

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where can I buy it for RM2900 cash?
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Attentional, thanks for pointing that out to us dumbass and all. Didn't know the X10 price is also dropping fast from 3.5 to 3.3 to 3k now in less than 1 month! Man, its good time to get into plasma game!

Will ask my buddy to check out  the 50X10 at Legend, to see if it can be had at 5k! because if they can sell  the 42X10 at 3k..surely they can do 50X10 at 5k, because that was the speculated price for 50PV80. That will be a bargain!
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I'm laughing my ass out, you must be a pariah uncle who never bought any electronics/electrical equipment before. X10 price is never dropping. It is still at 3.7k, and that's the RSP. You know what that means? RSP? If you do not know, google it, geez. The price Legend or other electrical store quoted are not RSP, those price are much lower than RSP, even more lower if you're willing to pay cash. So, even now Legend doesn't have stock yet for X10, but they quoted me 3k. So do you call that a price drop? Even our forumer htkaki quoted 2.9k without the video camera. doh.gif

Looks like xrossfire is right. To quote him:

QUOTE(xrossf1re @ Apr 3 2009, 03:50 PM)
I'd put a 100 bucks on the fact that when the new 42X10 comes around, there'll still be people here telling us that "The old pv80 is better, warranty is longer, bezel is less reflective" or shit like that when in actual fact, they are beating themselves up for not being capable of owning the new one... trust me, its already happening.

It is better to accept the fact that there are things out of your league, but telling us an obsolete product is better, you really need your medications.
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Seriously dude, take your meds.

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QUOTE(attentional @ Apr 4 2009, 11:49 PM)
I'm laughing my ass out, you must be a pariah uncle who never bought any electronics/electrical equipment before. X10 price is never dropping. It is still at 3.7k, and that's the RSP. You know what that means? RSP? If you do not know, google it, geez. The price Legend or other electrical store quoted are not RSP, those price are much lower than RSP, even more lower if you're willing to pay cash. So, even now Legend doesn't have stock yet for X10, but they quoted me 3k. So do you call that a price drop? Even our forumer htkaki quoted 2.9k without the video camera.  doh.gif

Looks like xrossfire is right. To quote him:
Seriously dude, take your meds.
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I wonder where the hostility come from? Is it necessary to resort to such words and approach to say your mind? Or is it lacking attention from your parents hence your handle say so?

Even if other have different opinions, its their right to say so and you can chose to counter the opinion maturely and intelligently instead of coming across so wanting .... attention......or worst lacking in maturity. Can you exercise some maturity?
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where can I buy it for RM2900 cash?
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bank in HTKAKI the deposit and he will send the product to your door step. Where are you at?
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I wonder where the hostility come from? Is it necessary to resort to such words and approach to say your mind? Or is it lacking attention from your parents hence your handle say so?

Even if other have different opinions, its their right to say so and you can chose to counter the opinion maturely and intelligently instead of coming across so wanting .... attention......or worst lacking in maturity. Can you exercise some maturity?
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Moderator pls take the necessary action. Last month, you banned for life all the crooks and liars, I think, this month, you have to do somemore banning.
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Come on lah... there is no use fighting over which one is better etc etc. For gods sake its just a TV not a political party.

Those who are loyal to 42PV80H just concentrate to its own thread and not trigger anything bad about X10.

Those who like the X10 just stay here and not trigger Anything bad on PV80 .

Those who have PV80 but think X10 is better then just sell ur unit buy X10 then migrate to this thread.

End story.
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Are you sure he do doorstep delivery?  hmm.gif
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I m thinking of getting a LCD 40" or Plasma 42".

The thing about 40" and above should get fullHD still applies?

Coz i m having a HD65@120"@720p and was thinking if i m getting a TV shud it be 720p or 1080p?

Any suggestions? If 720p suffice then the X10K is a no brainer. I m surely getting this one biggrin.gif
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toytoy, get the x10 as a secondary display, 720p shud be sufficient, for that price, htkaki giving at 2.9k, if im in kl, i also get one from him


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RM2.9K cash and carry. YB, if you want, I charge you nice price to JB since you bought so many items from me. We tk this offline.
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I was going to come to do a review on my unit which I got last Saturday. Seeing how things have turned out at this thread, there is no point in discussing about this anymore.

As far as I am concerned, I made the right decision. Have sinced moved the PV80 to another room. The X10 is now my main viewing unit.

If anyone is interested in the review, you may PM me.This thread is too sensitive.

BTW, not all big stores charge crazy price, they are all negotiable. So dont generalize.
FYI RM3.45 K - full package with all HDMI/S Video cables/tshirt/cap/camcorder/4gb card - Harvey Norman.


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I was going to come to do a review on my unit which I got last Saturday. Seeing how things have turned out at this thread, there is no point in discussing about this anymore.

As far as I am concerned, I made the right decision. Have sinced moved the PV80 to another room. The X10 is now my main viewing unit.

If anyone is interested in the review, you may PM me.This thread is too sensitive.

BTW, not all big stores charge crazy price, they are all negotiable. So dont generalize.
FYI RM3.45 K - full package with all HDMI/S Video cables/tshirt/cap/camcorder/4gb card - Harvey Norman.
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I think the answer is pretty obvious since the X10 is now your main viewing unit. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif X10 PWNedzzzzz PV80 kau kau.
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ahh, no review? has been waiting for it, tempted to upgrade from 32" to 42" plasma
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RM2,900 cash.
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QUOTE(cafee @ Apr 6 2009, 03:53 PM)
I was going to come to do a review on my unit which I got last Saturday. Seeing how things have turned out at this thread, there is no point in discussing about this anymore.

As far as I am concerned, I made the right decision. Have sinced moved the PV80 to another room. The X10 is now my main viewing unit.

If anyone is interested in the review, you may PM me.This thread is too sensitive.

BTW, not all big stores charge crazy price, they are all negotiable. So dont generalize.
FYI RM3.45 K - full package with all HDMI/S Video cables/tshirt/cap/camcorder/4gb card - Harvey Norman.
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RM3,450 for Panasonic TH-P42X10K?

Hmmm, i might just go take a look at it this week. Seems like a good buy.
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RM3,450 for Panasonic TH-P42X10K?

Hmmm, i might just go take a look at it this week. Seems like a good buy.
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But I wonder if RM3.45k include the free videocam or not. hmm.gif
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If the main purpose is for Blu-Ray and PS3, is the 42X10K a good choice?
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But I wonder if RM3.45k include the free videocam or not.  hmm.gif
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by the way, can this LCD use for PC?
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But I wonder if RM3.45k include the free videocam or not.  hmm.gif
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Sure this is a real deal? Sounds too good to be true. Will check out Harvey
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Sure this is a real deal?  Sounds too good to be true.  Will check out Harvey
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Sure this is a real deal?  Sounds too good to be true.  Will check out Harvey
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Got a feedback from a friend RM3.45k from HM doesn't include the free videocam.
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where's htkaki shop?

does he do delivery aswell in KL?
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3k stuff also need instalment meh...... demm poor....
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work hard and earn peasant money?your work really sucks.
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Moderator, please take the necessary action.
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Wow,really sensitive la,like aunty only. tongue.gif Should have call you aunty maikaitan.  drool.gif
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Basically I'm looking for flat panel TV, I need to select either LCD TV or Plasma LCD. Eyeing on Panasonic TH-P42X10K from Harvey Norman & SenQ.
Very confusing me which one I should go for it & I just use it for movies (DVD) & Astro. NO GAMING.
I read from YouTube & people commented that LCD good for bright lighting & Plasma suitable for Dim Lighting. I'm not sure Plasma can perform under room light compare to LCD. Please advise......
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Got a feedback from a friend RM3.45k from HM doesn't include the free videocam.
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So, it aint really that cheap afterall eh  tongue.gif
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Yes 3.45k includes the FREE video cam. SD26 (Black) with 4GB SDHC card - HN Sunway Pyramid. (Read my initial post properly)

For those who pmed for review, I will be sending it to you later today.
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Wow,really sensitive la,like aunty only. tongue.gif Should have call you aunty maikaitan.  drool.gif
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The Admins should put a permanent ban on user's IP address to prevent this kind of abuse behaviour from continuing!
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So many people have complained to the moderator abt him.....

...... he has already been banned. Thank you moderator.

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anybody try connecting this plasma to a pc / laptop, what is mini d-sub, is it the vga cable. also how do you get the sound from the pc?
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anybody try connecting this plasma to a pc / laptop, what is mini d-sub, is it the vga cable. also how do you get the sound from the pc?
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use hdmi out from your gc.
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Come on X10 users! Reveal yourselves!!!!!
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ya ya, waiting review for the X10~
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htkaki what is your best price lah, pls pm
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I thought I ve posted it earlier here blush.gif

RM2,900 cash and carry. Add RM80 for delivery and installation.

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go to jusco just now, saw it side by side with 42pv80. but why the new 1 more reflection?? aaiiiiii... dunno buy which 1 liao
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go to jusco just now, saw it side by side with 42pv80. but why the new 1 more reflection?? aaiiiiii... dunno buy which 1 liao
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If the refection really bothers you that much, get PV80. I have no problem because my house are fitted with dim downlights. Or get X10 and sand the bezel with sandpaper.
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If the refection really bothers you that much, get PV80. I have no problem because my house are fitted with dim downlights. Or get X10 and sand the bezel with sandpaper.
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He! He! Now that is an excellent suggestion! tongue.gif Any part of ur TV too 'shiny' or reflective just sand it down with sandpaper! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(termite9 @ Apr 7 2009, 10:27 PM)
go to jusco just now, saw it side by side with 42pv80. but why the new 1 more reflection?? aaiiiiii... dunno buy which 1 liao
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Just curious..anyone tested side by side with Pioneer Plasma ?
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Well, I check it out with Pioneer Kuro 42 plasma next to Panny 42PV80. The 42X10 is having a higher spec on the native constrast so I presume it will be superior in many way against the 42PV80.

So on the comparo between Kuro and 42PV80, I was very very hard pressed to see the diff worth RM2.5K.... So can you imagine compare it against the 42X10...? Yes the Kuro looks better but its not that superb that you instantly feel its worth that much of money!

For the money Kuro 42 is asking, I would rather go with 50PV80 and still with money left in my pocket! Not sure what is 50X10 price. If its also same as 50PV80 at 5k... then 50X10 it is...

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Well, I check it out with Pioneer Kuro 42 plasma next to Panny 42PV80. The 42X10 is having a higher spec on the native constrast so I presume it will be superior in many way against the 42PV80.

So on the comparo between Kuro and 42PV80, I was very very hard pressed to see the diff worth RM2.5K.... So can you imagine compare it against the 42X10...? Yes the Kuro looks better but its not that superb that you instantly feel its worth that much of money!

For the money Kuro 42 is asking, I would rather go with 50PV80 and still with money left in my pocket! Not sure what is 50X10 price. If its also same as 50PV80 at 5k... then 50X10 it is...
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Anyone beside "cafee" got a 3.45k deal from Harvey Norman for this "x10" "including" the "free videocam" ? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Apr 8 2009, 08:36 AM)
Well, I check it out with Pioneer Kuro 42 plasma next to Panny 42PV80. The 42X10 is having a higher spec on the native constrast so I presume it will be superior in many way against the 42PV80.

So on the comparo between Kuro and 42PV80, I was very very hard pressed to see the diff worth RM2.5K.... So can you imagine compare it against the 42X10...? Yes the Kuro looks better but its not that superb that you instantly feel its worth that much of money!

For the money Kuro 42 is asking, I would rather go with 50PV80 and still with money left in my pocket! Not sure what is 50X10 price. If its also same as 50PV80 at 5k... then 50X10 it is...
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agree totally. Nowadays Pioneer is no more worth it. The new Panasonic models are as good as Pioneer. Why spend RM20,000 (for the KRP) when you can spend RM5000 for a 50 inch Panasonic?
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QUOTE(termite9 @ Apr 7 2009, 10:27 PM)
go to jusco just now, saw it side by side with 42pv80. but why the new 1 more reflection?? aaiiiiii... dunno buy which 1 liao
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to avoid reflection, use LCD TV... biggrin.gif
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dont complain too much on the most value for money flat panel TV in the market . afterall , its only the bezel and you'll get use to it.

LCDs are reflective as well and more glaring than plasma.
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Wanna share my experience with this plasma price at Harvey Norman. biggrin.gif

I went there just now, told the salesperson that someone from this forum claimed that he bought the x10 at RM3.45k together with the videocam. He say impossible, as the RM3999 is a promotion price and impossible that the store will reduce RM550 for this promotion. (Think logically guys)

I demand that I talk to the store manager, the store manager came and I explain to him very softly that someone did bought it at RM3.45k. He is very helpful and lead me to the cashier where they kept all the record there. Flip through a few files and he said, the lowest they ever sold is RM3.85k. RM3.45k is only possible if without the videocam. smile.gif

He insist very hard that, if that person who bought it at RM3.45k can show his proof of purchase (ie the receipt, he personally will give a unit FREE - this is to show how confident he is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to get at RM3.45 with the free videocam)

So, guys, now we know who is full of sh1t and who isn't.
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Cannot be so. The lowest I have seen is RM3699 without cam in Harvey Norman. And that also RRP. I posted the picture in this forum. Sold by Harvey Norman.

So, if lowest is RM3699, where got RM3850?




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brought 42PV80 2 months ago purchase 3 units together with my fren at best denki MV, RM3530 per unit. Damn ...now new one come out....sighhhhh rclxub.gif

anyway i just went to Harvey to check this model....

"QUOTE(cafee @ Apr 6 2009, 03:53 PM)
I was going to come to do a review on my unit which I got last Saturday. Seeing how things have turned out at this thread, there is no point in discussing about this anymore.

As far as I am concerned, I made the right decision. Have sinced moved the PV80 to another room. The X10 is now my main viewing unit.

If anyone is interested in the review, you may PM me.This thread is too sensitive.

BTW, not all big stores charge crazy price, they are all negotiable. So dont generalize.
FYI RM3.45 K - full package with all HDMI/S Video cables/tshirt/cap/camcorder/4gb card - Harvey Norman."


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Cannot be so. The lowest I have seen is RM3699 without cam in Harvey Norman. And that also RRP. I posted the picture in this forum. Sold by Harvey Norman.

So, if lowest is RM3699, where got RM3850?
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Dude, he's talking about the promotion with the videocam. It is retailed at RM3999. The one at RM3699 is without the free videocam.
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Dude, he's talking about the promotion with the videocam. It is retailed at RM3999. The one at RM3699 is without the free videocam.
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Which Harvey Norman? Good price with camera

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I just went to jusco mega mall tonight and the sales guy was offering the x10 at 34xx (forgot the actual figure) if you have a jcard. this is of course without the videocam. just thought i'd share that with anybody who's interested.
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I just went to jusco mega mall tonight and the sales guy was offering the x10 at 34xx (forgot the actual figure) if you have a jcard. this is of course without the videocam. just thought i'd share that with anybody who's interested.
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I think its no brainer! If HTKAKI selling 42x10 at 2.9K, even if he is in Seremban or out of town, I will just drive there and pick it up!
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I think its no brainer! If HTKAKI selling 42x10 at 2.9K, even if he is in Seremban or out of town, I will just drive there and pick it up!
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I agree totally. All these free gifts are nonsense. Wait until commontan sells at that price, then easier for us KL people.
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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Apr 9 2009, 09:18 AM)
I think its no brainer! If HTKAKI selling 42x10 at 2.9K, even if he is in Seremban or out of town, I will just drive there and pick it up!
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you need a van or atleast an Unser to get 37" and above TVs. just pop into Komuter. Go down at the last station - Seremban. Take a cap to HTKaki's shop. Look see look see, pay the downpayment or full price. take the receipt and wait for HTKaki to send the item to your house tongue.gif
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Someone is getting his 42X10K today. For a minimum delivery fee, delivery and intallation can be arranged.


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Oh well.. in that case according to the manager I am a liar. OK I am a liar.

Nothing to prove to anyone. Good luck in your hunt. I have indicated what I got.

Read my initial post again if you need to understand the situation.
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ohh RM3K X10 Plasma KL bulk lol
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Oh well.. in that case according to the manager I am a liar. OK I am a liar.

Nothing to prove to anyone. Good luck in your hunt. I have indicated what I got.

Read my initial post again if you need to understand the situation.
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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Apr 9 2009, 09:18 AM)
I think its no brainer! If HTKAKI selling 42x10 at 2.9K, even if he is in Seremban or out of town, I will just drive there and pick it up!
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So, are you going to be a man of your words and drive down to seremban and get a unit from htkaki? cool2.gif


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QUOTE(cafee @ Apr 9 2009, 11:07 AM)
Oh well.. in that case according to the manager I am a liar. OK I am a liar.

Nothing to prove to anyone. Good luck in your hunt. I have indicated what I got.

Read my initial post again if you need to understand the situation.
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What's so hard? just take a photo of the receipt and show us. clear all the accusation, make me eat my words. Can be done in less than 1 min. hey, u got the 'free' videocam,remember ? use that and snap also can....

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[quote=attentional,Apr 9 2009, 11:15 AM]
So, are you going to be a man of your words and drive down to seremban and get a unit from htkaki? cool2.gif


Added on April 9, 2009, 11:19 am


That is up to him. He still can be a man of his word and yet not go down to Seremban

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So, are you going to be a man of your words and drive down to seremban and get a unit from htkaki?  cool2.gif


Added on April 9, 2009, 11:19 am

What's so hard? just take a photo of the receipt and show us. clear all the accusation, make me eat my words. Can be done in less than 1 min. hey, u got the 'free' videocam,remember ? use that and snap also can....
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There is no such deal. You need to buy it at RM3999. Please do so.
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Hi guys,

I am new to this thread. Was going through the forum to check it out the PLASMA details for my new hse.

Found this details from THYE HIN SDN BHD in Seremban, 2 days back

TH-P42X10K + Handycam + 4GB Memory = RM3800

TH-P42X10K = RM3000 (Before any bargain)

So I guess RM2900 for TH-P42X10K is not an impossible price.

Waiting for TH-P42X10K review before getting one.
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If you can do us a favor when your unit arrived in 2 weeks, pls ask what the price for 50PV80.
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Hi, my unit arrived today, I did ask them about the price of PV80 for 42" and 50".

They told me they no longer have stock for those, previously they are selling 50" at RM4800. Panasonic stop producing PV80.
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Those who are in Klang Valley, call George from Legend SS2/Sri Petaling. 0199174557.I bought mine from George for only RM3.6k with free camcorder/HDMI cable/S-video cable.

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QUOTE(attentional @ Apr 9 2009, 03:23 PM)
Those who are in Klang Valley, call George from Legend SS2/Sri Petaling. 0199174557.I bought mine from George for only RM3.6k with free camcorder/HDMI cable/S-video cable.
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Called the guys in Legend. They are so blur and did not even know there is a new Panasonic model. I rather buy from htkaki or commontan lah as they know what they are selling and speak with authority on the subject.


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Hi, my unit arrived today, I did ask them about the price of PV80 for 42" and 50".

They told me they no longer have stock for those, previously they are selling 50" at RM4800. Panasonic stop producing PV80.
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Review review biggrin.gif I haven't heard anybody review this new item!! rclxm9.gif
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Called the guys in Legend. They are so blur and did not even know there is a new Panasonic model. I rather buy from htkaki or commontan lah as they know what they are selling and speak with authority on the subject.
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commontan got stock? icon_rolleyes.gif Can commontan give RM3.6k? I remember her price was RM3.8k and that is before delivery. icon_rolleyes.gif Does commontan have a store presence? Anything wrong find who? Legend has a store anywhere in KL.
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commontan got stock?  icon_rolleyes.gif Can commontan give RM3.6k? I remember her price was RM3.8k and that is before delivery.  icon_rolleyes.gif Does commontan have a store presence? Anything wrong find who? Legend has a store anywhere in KL.
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Called the guys in Legend. They are so blur and did not even know there is a new Panasonic model. I rather buy from htkaki or commontan lah as they know what they are selling and speak with authority on the subject.
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I'm surprised to hear that since Legend was so highly recommended by some one! Did you really speak to George?
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Hi all, newbie here...just bought the TH-P42X10K + Handycam + 4GB Memory today biggrin.gif
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does TH-P42X10K come with neo PDP?
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does TH-P42X10K come with neo PDP?
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Nope...the model with full hd only got come with neo pdp, correct me if i'm wrong

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nice setup, how much you pay for it?
how big is the box? can sedan car carry it ?

just found out that X1 series does not have neo PDP eco plasma screen, only available for V10, G10 S1 series cry.gif

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i bought all in a package rm3999
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nice setup, how much you pay for it?
how big is the box? can sedan car carry it ?

just found out that X1 series does not have neo PDP eco plasma screen, only available for V10, G10 S1 series cry.gif
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Cant fit in a sedan car. Only SUV, MPV and above can fit it in. Unless you strip off the box, then it could fit in sedan.
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Can fit easily into Myvi even with the box! Kenari is ok too!
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QUOTE(neb @ Apr 9 2009, 09:48 PM)
nice setup, how much you pay for it?
how big is the box? can sedan car carry it ?

just found out that X1 series does not have neo PDP eco plasma screen, only available for V10, G10 S1 series cry.gif
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Iswara hatchback can carry include box.I did for my fren.
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Is that true for Kenari, MyVi and Iswara Aeroback? Wira and Waja can't fit it in.
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this entry level , best value for money ,panny plasma new model damn popular here in pannylaysia
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anyone play PS3 game with it? how is the screen performed?

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i get in 3999 with 3 years + 2 years extended warranty, anyone did that ?
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be happy in what you've got. 2 years extended warranty can be useful. remember you are among the lucky few who got to view it first
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Same price at PC Fair with all the freebies
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a review from USA user "outsidordinary" with similar 42X1 set:
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My impressions of the p42x1 are that the blacks are much deeper than my a550 sammy lcd were. The color depth is excellent in comparison to that same lcd but a little short of my old samsung plasma. HD (1080i & 720p) look great, very little noise at about 8 ft away. I watched a yankee spring training game on it and it was fantastic in hd. The SD looks fine to me but i don't spend much time watching SD. Killzone 2 demo on ps3 loooks awesome, i keep the mode in custom rather than game and its night and day compared to the sammy lcd. I didnt realize how much lag there is in the LCD until i played uncharted on the plasma. Huge difference. Basically I love the set, its not perfect (bit of a green push, lacks some depth in color and blacks). Also, when watchign a blueray on the ps3, the picture is very dark. It may be becaue I have RGB set to full but 300 loooks amazing. Just a tad dark. Liek i said in an earlier post, the cinema mode is just too dull. I dont want too much "pop" but I want sunny days to look sunny and not like thre is massive cloud cover. Umm.. what else. I've witness zero glare issues and zero IR on my settings. I watched sd for about 5 hours the other day and there wasnt a hint of IR where the black bars had been. Ive watched in the day time and night time... set loses a lil pop during the day but nothing very noticeable and at night with a feint light behind the set it looks perfect. I love the TV. I'll post some pics later on today.

Also, coming from a 1080p set of similar size (LN40a550), I havent noticed a difference at all regarding 1080p and 720p. I've watched BD on both and there is no image quality lost and I'm at roughly 8feet away. I've read so much on these boards the last 2 years that if there is a difference, i;m one of the many who cant see it. No need to drop more money on set for "1080p" at this point its moot. This is the best of the 3 sets i've owned in the past 2 years by far. I'm very happy with the purchase. Oh, and i think the set is quite attractive. Glossy black, the plastic trim doesnt have the same "cheap" feel as the sammy lcd either. Very study and polished look. Plus, to me the glass screen on a plasma adds a bit of character and depth on its own. Matte always looks so dull.


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be happy in what you've got. 2 years extended warranty can be useful. remember you are among the lucky  few who got to view it first
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need sometime to use to it, i have watching crt tv for 9 years....
quite satisfy with the quality on watching astro so far..
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found out from the net that panasonic's new x10 plasma actually uses crippled neoPDP rclxms.gif

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found out from the net that panasonic's new x10 plasma actually uses crippled neoPDP rclxms.gif
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Link or source? rclxms.gif
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Link or source?  rclxms.gif
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....55#post15968955
but what is talked about is X1 USA model, not quite sure malaysian or europe X10 model is using a similar screen or not.

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i get in 3999 with 3 years + 2 years extended warranty, anyone did that ?
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wow 5 yrs warranty ah? where u buy?
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taikor,

wow 5 yrs warranty ah? where u buy?
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any one from ipoh ?
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Panasonic
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Plasma (TH-P42 X10K) (HD Ready) RM3699 vs LCD TX42 LZ80MK (full HD) RM3999

Saw both units side by side at SenQ store in KL.... the plasma unit looks dim but natural...
the LCD unit looks bright...


Which one will you choose if price is not a concern..... my usage will be

1) 70% time watching ASTRO
2) 30% watching DVD 9

(maybe in 1 years time, will get a Blue-ray player or perhaps a PS3....so which one
will u choose ?

can the Plasma produce good quality (1080p) if I connect to Blue-ray player or PS3 ?

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QUOTE(HW-Racer @ Apr 11 2009, 09:06 PM)
Panasonic
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Plasma (TH-P42 X10K) (HD Ready)  RM3699 vs LCD TX42 LZ80MK (full HD) RM3999

Saw both units side by side at SenQ store in KL.... the plasma unit looks dim but natural...
the LCD unit looks bright...
Which one will you choose if price is not a concern..... my usage will be

1) 70% time watching ASTRO
2) 30% watching DVD 9

(maybe in 1 years time, will get a Blue-ray player or perhaps a PS3....so which one
will u choose ?

can the Plasma produce good quality (1080p) if I connect to Blue-ray player or PS3 ?

thanks
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I will go for Plasma HD ready !!

1. Full HD will give poorer output on Astro
2. IF you are not playing Bluray not point getting full HD
3. Even with Full HD you aint going to sit close to the TV (your eyes will pain la biggrin.gif ) to see the 'detail'
4. Plasma will allow you to watch the tv 'longer', LCD make eyes tired alot faster.
5. LCD tent to produce visible 'motion blur' and Plasma won't
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I will go for Plasma HD ready !!

1. Full HD will give poorer output on Astro
2. IF you are not playing Bluray not point getting full HD
3. Even with Full HD you aint going to sit close to the TV (your eyes will pain la  biggrin.gif ) to see the 'detail'
4. Plasma will allow you to watch the tv 'longer', LCD make eyes tired alot faster.
5. LCD tent to produce visible 'motion blur' and Plasma won't
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that is true. LCD strains the eyes a lot. Too bright and too sharp.
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QUOTE(HW-Racer @ Apr 11 2009, 09:06 PM)
Panasonic
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Plasma (TH-P42 X10K) (HD Ready)  RM3699 vs LCD TX42 LZ80MK (full HD) RM3999

Saw both units side by side at SenQ store in KL.... the plasma unit looks dim but natural...
the LCD unit looks bright...
Which one will you choose if price is not a concern..... my usage will be

1) 70% time watching ASTRO
2) 30% watching DVD 9

(maybe in 1 years time, will get a Blue-ray player or perhaps a PS3....so which one
will u choose ?

can the Plasma produce good quality (1080p) if I connect to Blue-ray player or PS3 ?

thanks
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since you spend 70% of time to watch astro then go for TH-P42 X10K, look nice in astro....
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I thought I ve posted it earlier here  blush.gif

RM2,900 cash and carry. Add RM80 for delivery and installation.
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what is the price for 50x1?
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Someone said RM3550.00 at Legend and without freebies is at RM2800.00. DOn't be too sure until you really bought the set. From what i know right now is at RM 3699.00 plus the standard freebies.

And if you really watch more Astro than others sources, yes Plasma is the best bet..
here is the article : http://jintexelectronics.com/index.php?mai...le&article_id=6

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Someone said RM3550.00 at Legend and without freebies is at RM2800.00. DOn't be too sure until you really bought the set. From what i know right now is at RM 3699.00 plus the standard freebies.

And if you really watch more Astro than others sources, yes Plasma is the best bet..
here is the article : http://jintexelectronics.com/index.php?mai...le&article_id=6
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It is true Kevin. RM3550 cash price for P42X10K + Panasonic SDR-S26 + 4GB SD + HDMI cable. RM2800 for P42X10K. Me and a few colleagues bought 5 sets at one shot.
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QUOTE(attentional @ Apr 12 2009, 02:48 PM)
It is true Kevin. RM3550 cash price for P42X10K + Panasonic SDR-S26 + 4GB SD + HDMI cable. RM2800 for P42X10K. Me and a few colleagues bought 5 sets at one shot.
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RM3799 for P42 X10K + 4gb SD CARd + HDMI Cable + Video cam
RM3499 Jus P42 X10K
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QUOTE(attentional @ Apr 12 2009, 02:48 PM)
It is true Kevin. RM3550 cash price for P42X10K + Panasonic SDR-S26 + 4GB SD + HDMI cable. RM2800 for P42X10K. Me and a few colleagues bought 5 sets at one shot.
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drool.gif RM3550 for the whole set is the best deal so far, where did you get your set? come with standard 3 year warranty?


thumbup.gif ok, got it, from legend KL.

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Please be warned that the SDR 26 is crappy in quality. I had it and sold it off cause the quality was so bad. They say DVD quality but, in my opinion, only suitable for Youtube uploads.

So don't be fooled with the package. You might as well buy the plasma for RM2800
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Just got it today. RM3445 at Jusco Maluri, with membership card. No package, just the plasma. Decided against the Camcorder + HDMI cable package. Mu purchase is more expensive than everyone else's quotations here, if you ask me. Bought it from Jusco because it gave me lotsa points biggrin.gif

Oh, and also, i'm looking to get a PS3 along with it. Any suggestions which seller i should go to? I know SonyStyle has the attractive promo with two games.. but all the games on offer, I don't like sad.gif

I'll upload pics when it arrives.

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QUOTE(pwncake @ Apr 12 2009, 05:08 PM)
Just got it today. RM3445 at Jusco Maluri, with membership card. No package, just the plasma. Decided against the Camcorder + HDMI cable package. Mu purchase is more expensive than everyone else's quotations here, if you ask me. Bought it from Jusco because it gave me lotsa points biggrin.gif

Oh, and also, i'm looking to get a PS3 along with it. Any suggestions which seller i should go to? I know SonyStyle has the attractive promo with two games.. but all the games on offer, I don't like sad.gif

I'll upload pics when it arrives.
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what about TH-P50X10K's price?
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Rm 3445.00 without the freebies! Sound a bit expensive. Why on earth you wants to get it from Jusco. The price is always higher than normal shop.

Shop around for better price. For RM 3699.00, you get all the freebies.
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Please be warned that the SDR 26 is crappy in quality. I had it and sold it off cause the quality was so bad. They say DVD quality but, in my opinion, only suitable for Youtube uploads.

So don't be fooled with the package. You might as well buy the plasma for RM2800
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Rm 3445.00 without the freebies! Sound a bit expensive. Why on earth you wants to get it from Jusco. The price is always higher than normal shop.

Shop around for better price. For RM 3699.00, you get all the freebies.
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any issue/comment on the reflection on this plasma unit ? saw it at harvey norman...maybe due to the
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Plasma tv's panel is made of glass. Hence, naturally it ll be more reflective than LCD TV.
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Its reflection is slightly more than PV80. that's what I think but the colour depth is definitely better than PV80. I also notice that Sony latest models Z and X series also have more reflection (they are LCD!!!) than the lower series and these models have better colour depth. So is there any relationship between reflection and colour depth???!!? possible explanation??
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any issue/comment on the reflection on this plasma unit ? saw it at harvey norman...maybe due to the
glass used in the panel...so is prone to reflections compared to LCD TV !
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My viewing distance is around 10.5 feets.

Which is the best size?

(1). P42X10K or PV80
(2). P50X10K or 50PV80
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My viewing distance is around 10.5 feets.

Which is the best size?

(1). P42X10K or PV80
(2). P50X10K or 50PV80
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not sure abt best.. but 50 inch is better then 42inch lo.. and songer to watch.. 42inch is not that big from 10 feet

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Went HN last weekend to have a look at 42". Seems really small after 6 months of watching 120"HD65 hehe. I'll be watching the tv from 12ft away hehe.

HN was playing Quantum of Solace and the film looks very very grainy on the X10, I know the film was made to be grainy and I was trying to make myself believe it's TV or player setting problem, but is it??

Really like to know the price difference between P42 and P50. If the price is right then will go for 50. biggrin.gif

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Plasma tv's panel is made of glass. Hence, naturally it ll be more reflective than LCD TV.
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Reflection is not a problem. Just turn it away from the sun or light. Reflection also good, parents can keep an eye on kids and monitor what they are doing behind us.


Btw, the new 42 inch Pana is being sold for RM2880 now by commontan. The RM3999 is a waste of money. Some were promoting Legend, I wonder how much they sell it now.

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Reflection is not a problem. Just turn it away from the sun or light. Reflection also good, parents can keep an eye on kids and monitor what they are doing behind us.
Btw, the new 42 inch Pana is being sold for RM2880 now by commontan. The RM3999 is a waste of money. Some were promoting Legend, I wonder how much they sell it now.
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3.65k I think. I don't think they allow to deduct the videocam price. doh.gif

Pointless...
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3.65k I think. I don't think they allow to deduct the videocam price. doh.gif

Pointless...
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Can someone please let me know if this model has the "Just" option in the screen selection. This mode makes Astro images less "stretched out". Thanks!
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guys, just wanna know, if the behind i'm siting have a window with a good amount of sunlight, will the reflection be worse?
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guys, just wanna know, if the behind i'm siting have a window with a good amount of sunlight, will the reflection be worse?
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Hand very itchy, want to get this unit leh. But have to wait until June. These 2 months broke liao kekeke.

Can someone help answer the questions below?

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So, how much is the 50" version TH-P50X10K selling for? We know that the 42" model goes for under 3k.
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How is TH-P42X10K performs in HDTV using HDMI connection?

If compare to 42LZ80, which 1 better?
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guys, just wanna know, if the behind i'm siting have a window with a good amount of sunlight, will the reflection be worse?
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"sunlight shield" curtain RM12.50 per meter at The Mines Wonderland (not inclusive of workmanship)
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So, how much is the 50" version TH-P50X10K selling for? We know that the 42" model goes for under 3k.
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So, how much is the 50" version TH-P50X10K selling for? We know that the 42" model goes for under 3k.
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Until now, there is no price indication for 50X10. Maybe have to wait longer

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How is TH-P42X10K performs in HDTV using HDMI connection?

If compare to 42LZ80, which 1 better?
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I have the same question before but remained unanswered. Therefore I went to experience myself, I prefer X10 more on same source and default color setting. That's when I decided to go for X10 even though it is not FULL HD. I prefer better contrast ratio than resolution.
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waiting for 50 inchie price biggrin.gif

so far all good review?
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waiting for 50 inchie price biggrin.gif

so far all good review?
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I think the difference between 1080p and 720p remains small at 42" Unless u watched it at a very close distance?

Maybe a different story if it is 50"?
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Apr 14 2009, 02:19 PM)
I have the same question before but remained unanswered. Therefore I went to experience myself, I prefer X10 more on same source and default color setting. That's when I decided to go for X10 even though it is not FULL HD. I prefer better contrast ratio than resolution.
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Thanks for your reply..here is a link for plasma vs lcd for HDTV, worth a readPlasma vs LCD

Based on the review, plasma seems to be better in terms of home theater and gaming usage for HDTV

Can you elaborate more details on the source u used to compare on the lcd and plasma?
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size vs distance also

moving vs still image biggrin.gif

but again it is a movie rite? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(clautee @ Apr 14 2009, 03:07 PM)
Thanks for your reply..here is a link for plasma vs lcd for HDTV, worth a readPlasma vs LCD

Based on the review, plasma seems to be better in terms of home theater and gaming usage for HDTV

Can you elaborate more details on the source u used to compare on the lcd and plasma?
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I brought my WDTV player there and test, the Panasonic sales person is kind enough to hook up for me. Tested a few *.mkv such as The Dark Knight and Iron Man, a few SD *.avi as well. Stood around 6 feet away and my eyes felt for the X10 immediately.
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Apr 14 2009, 03:22 PM)
I brought my WDTV player there and test, the Panasonic sales person is kind enough to hook up for me. Tested a few *.mkv such as The Dark Knight and Iron Man, a few SD *.avi as well. Stood around 6 feet away and my eyes felt for the X10 immediately.
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I believe 720p and 1080p mkv files works well on both platforms and the differences are very minor and almost not noticeable.

Just wonder if non-HD source like rmvb files for drama in example, will plasma does better work than the lcd?

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If astro works better on plasma compared to lcd then non-HD source rmvb files should work better on plasma.
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toytoy, ur answer really owned me XD..I think I gt the idea which tv I need already. Thanks
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perhaps this could help u decide, it's 5 star rating at what hifi
http://whathifi.com/Review/Panasonic-TX-P42X10B/

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Finally got the X10K (RM2,900, free HDMI thrown in). Kid watching Madagascar (africa) now, after hooking up to home theatre. Using WDTV as source.
Will watch "Australia" tonite!
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RM2900 damm good price for this pana 42" plasma, compared with PV80. everything is good, except without the anti-reflection.
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Still haven't hook it up at home. Feel ashamed that house no astro yet... astroman coming tomorrow though, so can give proper review tomorrow. what's more, i'll be having my ps3 hooked up to it as well (i hope).

I went to best denki today, and i compared the the 42LCD panny and 42plasma. Colour contrast definitely plasma win hands down. But i have to say that plasma reflection is SUPER annoying. grr.. might get an anti glare curtain placed at home.

I'm a noob when it comes to home entertainment system (and also new to LYN, but info in this forum helped me alot with my purchase wink.gif), so if you have anything in particular you want me to note during my review, feel free to post it here. biggrin.gif


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It's RM2900 with 2 years warranty or 2+2 years warranty guys?
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Panasonic's plasma is better than their lcd..

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FYI...

I got this reply from Panasonic today.

Dear Sir,


Greetings from Panasonic Malaysia!


We thank you for your enquiry. Please note the selling price for Plasma TV TH-P42X10K is RM 3,699.00 and regret to inform that we do not have information on TH-P50X10K as the model is currently not available in the Market.


In addition, please be informed that we are running a campaign called ‘Grab this super SD Link offer now for instant playback on Viera’. The selling price for Camcorder (SDR-S26K) + 4GB SD card + Viera Plasma (TH-P42X10K) + HDMI Cable is only sold at RM 3,999.00. Thus, kindly visit your nearest authorised dealers for details.


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my guess is that TH-P50X10K will be selling for more than RM5000

warranty for 42x10 is 3 years, you can pay more to extend the warranty for 2 more years.

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If we can get 42" at around 3k i was hoping 50" will be around 4k. 5k is out of my league. Better stick to 42x10k then hehe.
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i had changed to monster s-video to watch astro, but seems like the different are not so noticeable
izzit my eye problem ? anyone want to share their setting on TH-P42X10K ?
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i had changed to monster s-video to watch astro, but seems like the different are not so noticeable
izzit my eye problem ? anyone want to share their setting on TH-P42X10K ?
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It's not your eyes problem. That's for sure. The cable will not do instant magic on Astro's PQ. If to compare with a well built cap ayam s-video cable, I would say the difference is minimal.
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It's not your eyes problem. That's for sure. The cable will not do instant magic on Astro's PQ. If to compare with a well built cap ayam s-video cable, I would say the difference is minimal.
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but before that i'm not using any s video cable, i just using the normal cable..
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Am I the only one that doesn't have Astro at home? hmm.gif
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may be X10's electronics is doing such a good job of seperating video signal from composite video, so there is no benefit to gain from using Separate-Video(S-Video). thumbup.gif

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anyone kind enough to share their setting for TH-P42X10K ? smile.gif
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Am I the only one that doesn't have Astro at home? hmm.gif
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i also dont have Astro..
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Am I the only one that doesn't have Astro at home? hmm.gif
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Component output is better than s-video. But if it's Astro, then s-video is the only option.

Panasonic plasma th-p42x10k is now at RM 3529.00 with all the freebies.

Without RM 2880.00. from a shop in PJ.
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Component output is better than s-video. But if it's Astro, then s-video is the only option.

Panasonic plasma th-p42x10k is now at RM 3529.00 with all the freebies.

Without RM 2880.00. from a shop in PJ.
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You mean your own shop? Jintexelectronics? Self promote? doh.gif
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QUOTE(kevinc66 @ Apr 16 2009, 05:24 PM)
Component output is better than s-video. But if it's Astro, then s-video is the only option.

Panasonic plasma th-p42x10k is now at RM 3529.00 with all the freebies.

Without RM 2880.00. from a shop in PJ.
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very attractive prices, I think this is the best offer so far! rclxm9.gif

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Hi folks, just wanna share my experience of the 42X10 unit which i got from htkaki last Saturday..would like to express my appreciation here to htkaki for his prompt reply even though the delivery timing got a lil hiccup..

Having tested most of the setting on Astro, DVD video, DVI to HDMI and Wii connections, unfortunately i dont own any blueray player and PS3 game console, here is my comments:

Generally, I like the natural color and contrast of the set considering being in filming industry myself, i can differentiate LCD compare to Plasma tv side by side, hence my eventual pick still go for Plasma even tho it's not a full HD set.

1. On Astro, The quality is acceptable with S-video connection, my own preference is to best view it in 4:3 mode bcoz i dont like the stretch mode in 16:9 for Astro SD broadcast signal. Noice reduction best set to <mid> for my own preference due to astro noise-full transmission.

2. On DVD video, the quality is very good compare to my previous CRT set. View best in 16:9 mode thru a component (RGB) connection. I dont have a HTMI dvd player to compare, so pls dont ask me the difference in quality compare to component. It detects the DVD as 480 or 576 depends on the source (PAL or NTSC). My choice is set it to i (interlaced) instead of p (progressive) bcoz the p tends to soften too much of the videos.

3. On DVI to HTMI, bought a converter during PC fair, tried it from my macbook pro to the tv set. It detects as 720p source, but it's switchable to 1080p. The sharpness not to say is superb due to it's a native 1024x768 resolution set but i m satisfied with the 1080p playback of some of my ahem* downloaded 480p movies. It looks much better on tv than my 17 inch macbook pro LCD screen. I can even perform my video editing on it as the bigger screen alternative in clam shell mode.

4. On Wii, it looks great even tho i m only using composite (RCA) yellow cable.

5. On SD card reader, very good picture quality for my 3 megapixels to 5 megapixels photos from my lumix FX33. Though the color saturation need to be set to much lesser than the present. 30 to 35 against 50 to get the natural colors.

For different output, the tv can perform different setting, i.e: my astro contrast setting which i set is higher (70) than in dvd (60) and all the brightness i set to between -5 to -10 (present is 0) for better black. Color for most of my setting is set to 35 to 45 (present is 50) as i dont like colors being too saturated. My preference for the best setting is found in Normal setting. Dynamic being too vivid and fake, Cinema being too dull, Game mode being slightly dimmer than Normal.

That's all for now, hope this will help in your buying decision


Added on April 17, 2009, 12:13 amAnd abt the reflection issue, yup it's pretty annoying tho during the daytime viewing but i can bear with it like someone suggesting the curtain shield or something..

Basically a glossy screen can give u better color and contrast compare to matte screen..just think of the matte photo prints in those days compare to the glossy ones..

I personally own a matte screen laptop, and as before i purchase it, i have the option to get a glossy one but i was against the idea bcoz for me laptop is a portable item especially if i wanna do a long period editing job or presentation, the reflection will strain my eyes a lot but tv set is station at one position, so the problem is not that severe compare to laptop.

According to some experts, glossy screens are
1) cheaper to make compare to matte screen,
2) Take much less effort to give u the desire contrast and color compare to matte screens

so do expect more tv sets in future in glossy screen be it LCD or plasma, just like apple computer is opting for glossy screens now.

Just my 2 cents

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You mean your own shop? Jintexelectronics? Self promote?  doh.gif
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Hi folks, just wanna share my experience of the 42X10 unit which i got from htkaki last Saturday..would like to express my appreciation here to htkaki for his prompt reply even though the delivery timing got a lil hiccup..

Having tested most of the setting on Astro, DVD video, DVI to HDMI and Wii connections, unfortunately i dont own any blueray player and PS3 game console, here is my comments:

Generally, I like the natural color and contrast of the set considering being in filming industry myself, i can differentiate LCD compare to Plasma tv side by side, hence my eventual pick still go for Plasma even tho it's not a full HD set.

1. On Astro, The quality is acceptable with S-video connection, my own preference is to best view it in 4:3 mode bcoz i dont like the stretch mode in 16:9 for Astro SD broadcast signal. Noice reduction best set to <mid> for my own preference due to astro noise-full transmission.

2. On DVD video, the quality is very good compare to my previous CRT set. View best in 16:9 mode thru a component (RGB) connection. I dont have a HTMI dvd player to compare, so pls dont ask me the difference in quality compare to component. It detects the DVD as 480 or 576 depends on the source (PAL or NTSC). My choice is set it to i (interlaced) instead of p (progressive) bcoz the p tends to soften too much of the videos.

3. On DVI to HTMI, bought a converter during PC fair, tried it from my macbook pro to the tv set. It detects as 720p source, but it's switchable to 1080p. The sharpness not to say is superb due to it's a native 1024x768 resolution set but i m satisfied with the 1080p playback of some of my ahem* downloaded 480p movies. It looks much better on tv than my 17 inch macbook pro LCD screen. I can even perform my video editing on it as the bigger screen alternative in clam shell mode.

4. On Wii, it looks great even tho i m only using composite (RCA) yellow cable.

5. On SD card reader, very good picture quality for my 3 megapixels to 5 megapixels photos from my lumix FX33. Though the color saturation need to be set to much lesser than the present. 30 to 35 against 50 to get the natural colors.

For different output, the tv can perform different setting, i.e: my astro contrast setting which i set is higher (70) than in dvd (60) and all the brightness i set to between -5 to -10 (present is 0) for better black. Color for most of my setting is set to 35 to 45 (present is 50) as i dont like colors being too saturated. My preference for the best setting is found in Normal setting. Dynamic being too vivid and fake, Cinema being too dull, Game mode being slightly dimmer than Normal.

That's all for now, hope this will help in your buying decision


Added on April 17, 2009, 12:13 amAnd abt the reflection issue, yup it's pretty annoying tho during the daytime viewing but i can bear with it like someone suggesting the curtain shield or something..

Basically a glossy screen can give u better color and contrast compare to matte screen..just think of the matte photo prints in those days compare to the glossy ones..

I personally own a matte screen laptop, and as before i purchase it, i have the option to get a glossy one but i was against the idea bcoz for me laptop is a portable item especially if i wanna do a long period editing job or presentation, the reflection will strain my eyes a lot but tv set is station at one position, so the problem is not that severe compare to laptop.

According to some experts, glossy screens are
1) cheaper to make compare to matte screen,
2) Take much less effort to give u the desire contrast and color compare to matte screens

so do expect more tv sets in future in glossy screen be it LCD or plasma, just like apple computer is opting for glossy screens now.

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I think all plasma are glossy because the surface is actually a glass. There are no matte plasma, are there?

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I think all plasma are glossy because the surface is actually a glass. There are no matte plasma, are there?
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panasonic's glass panel should have a coat of anti-glare filter on it

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I still can't find the fabled RM2880 price for the X10. Best i got was 3339 from the PJ Pana shop. Where is this super cheapr shop in PJ? Even highway laser can't match.

Btw, the 50" is launching next week
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I still can't find the fabled RM2880 price for the X10.  Best i got was 3339 from the PJ Pana shop.  Where is this super cheapr shop in PJ?  Even highway laser can't match.

Btw, the 50" is launching next week
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I just go n ask one of the shop in JB for 42x10. Best they can give me without free gift is RM3k.
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I just go n ask one of the shop in JB for 42x10. Best they can give me without free gift is RM3k.
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just bought my 42x10k yesterday from commontan. great price, marvelous.... now all my family are enjoy...ing. but 1 thing is why i feel that the picture quality like watching old film...izzit contrast issue? heard that plasma need to warm up for 200 hrs, izzit because of that? can all sifu tell me how's yr picture setting? thankssssssssss
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Apr 17 2009, 11:28 PM)
If you can find buyer to buy your camcorder it would be best. I got my unit for 3.6k, sold the cam for 1k, HDMI cable sold to my colleague for RM50, the unit only cost me RM2.55k  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Apr 17 2009, 11:28 PM)
If you can find buyer to buy your camcorder it would be best. I got my unit for 3.6k, sold the cam for 1k, HDMI cable sold to my colleague for RM50, the unit only cost me RM2.55k  rclxms.gif
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I still can't find the fabled RM2880 price for the X10.  Best i got was 3339 from the PJ Pana shop.  Where is this super cheapr shop in PJ?  Even highway laser can't match.

Btw, the 50" is launching next week
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RM3339 looks good for me. Looking for this model also.. any idea to get price around 3k-3.2k cash?
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RM3339 looks good for me.  Looking for this model also.. any idea to get price around 3k-3.2k cash?
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If can sell the camcorder, the plasma would be deal of the century lah at RM2600. Even US and UK price also lose. What a great idea. So bro, where did you get it?
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Hello all... icon_rolleyes.gif
Got myself the X10 last Saturday... bought it at one small shop in Taman Permata... although i bought it at a higher price (RM3900) than what offered by HTKAKI (a very good seller indeed), Commontan and imBloodySick.. I am quite happy with it.. the shop offered me RM800 for my videocam, I managed to keep the HDMI cable. The shop also throw me one super thick s-video (could not remember what brand it was..) and adjustable wall bracket plus installation (which if i am not mistaked cost a few hundreds also). The shop also offered me free moving and reinstallation of the wall bracket if I decide to move to other house within KL within the one year. So I paid RM3100 for everything. The shop also is an official Panashop.. therefore I guess any complaint or issues about the service and warranty should be easier..
About the quality, well.. I used to watch a small 21 inches tv for all my life.. having a 42" plasma in my hall.. is... WHAT A WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE!!!!!!
huhuhuhuuhuhh.... until the end of the month, i'll be eating Maggie Mee... but i am HAPPY!!!!
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anyone got the sd card on hand? May i ask wat spec it is?
sdhc class 4?
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panasonic's glass panel should have a coat of anti-glare filter on it
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Probably one of the few bits they omitted to be able to hit such a low price point. Anti-reflective reinforced glass like the PV80 can't be cheap. Still remember how they used to bounce that 1-kilo metal ball off the glass of the PV80? Don't see them doing that demo on the new X10s... tongue.gif
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If we can get 42" at around 3k i was hoping 50" will be around 4k. 5k is out of my league. Better stick to 42x10k then hehe.
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Panasonic has officially brings in TH-P50X10K.

Package price : RRP RM5,999

Free : SDR-S26, 4GB SD Card, and HDMI cable.


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Panasonic has officially brings in TH-P50X10K.

Package price : RRP RM5,999

Free : SDR-S26, 4GB SD Card, and HDMI cable.


Without freebies can get $5k or not?
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50" x10 plasma has higher horizontal resolution with 1366x768

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offer for plasma+camera only valid until 10 may? how much is the price after offer finish
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Supposingly, it will revert to its original RRP. That's without freebies. IMHO, very unlikely that it will happens.

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I am quite confident that commontan can sell it for below RM5k
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RM4,900 cash without freebies. Anyone? tongue.gif
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50" x10 plasma has higher horizontal resolution with 1366x768
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In another word, 50" is more than true 720p (>1280 x 720) while
42" is less than true 720p (<1280 x 720)
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In another word, 50" is more than true 720p (>1280 x 720) while
42" is less than true 720p (<1280 x 720)
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Yes you are right. In both cases, the image received will have be to scaled. True 720p (16:9) is defined as 1280 X 720. The displays we have are either 1024 X 768 or 1366 X 768 for non Full HD. Each case requires the horizontal and vertical pixels to be scaled either upwards or downwards. If you do not like scaling you need to get a 1920 X 1080 display and feed it 1920 X 1080 source (ie, Full HD, Blu Ray or others). The eye is more susceptible to vertical resolution then horizontal resolution, that's why the 1024 X 768 displays rarely look bad.

Since some form of scaling is necessary, the most important aspect of a non 1080p source would be the quality of the scalar chip that resides in your HDTV. Some use better scalars than others. Bottom line, 720p will always be scaled, of course 480i (NTSC) and 576i (PAL) will have to be deinterlaced (since all HDTVs are progressive, except one) and then upscaled to fill out all the pixels in you HDTV (be it 1024 X 768 or 1366 X 786 or 1920 X1080). This is what makes the difference between the sets.
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Yes you are right. In both cases, the image received will have be to scaled. True 720p (16:9) is defined as 1280 X 720. The displays we have are either 1024 X 768 or 1366 X 768 for non Full HD. Each case requires the horizontal and vertical pixels to be scaled either upwards or downwards. If you do not like scaling you need to get a 1920 X 1080 display and feed it 1920 X 1080 source (ie, Full HD, Blu Ray or others).  The eye is more susceptible to vertical resolution then horizontal resolution, that's why the 1024 X 768 displays rarely look bad.

Since some form of scaling is necessary, the most important aspect of a non 1080p source would be the quality of the scalar chip that resides in your HDTV. Some use better scalars than others. Bottom line, 720p will always be scaled, of course 480i (NTSC) and 576i (PAL)  will have to be deinterlaced (since all HDTVs are progressive, except one) and then upscaled to fill out all the pixels in you HDTV (be it 1024 X 768 or 1366 X 786 or 1920 X1080). This is what makes the difference between the sets.
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Not necessary. You can get 1:1 display mode so that you see black bar on top/bottom/left/right for 1366x768 (50"). For 1024x768 (42"), there's nothing
you can do to avoid scaling.
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Not necessary. You can get 1:1 display mode so that you see black bar on top/bottom/left/right for 1366x768 (50"). For 1024x768 (42"), there's nothing
you can do to avoid scaling.
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I am sorry that this is OT.

Yes, you're right, if you do not mind the pillarboxing and this is an important criteria for you, then yes,that is the way to go.

I have a question, are any movies or material originally made for 720p? I know there a 16mm, 35mm and other sources (higher def 4K, 8K masters and others I am not aware off) and they are typically remastered (scaled maybe) to fit either 1920 X 1080, 480i , 576i?

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42" X10 (1024x768) is incapable of faithfully displaying the 720p (1280x720) source in 1 to 1 pixel mapping, in fact the horizontal resolution will get decimated by 256 pixel! rclxub.gif

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What is the best way to scale to the native 1366x768 in the 50"? Does the WDTV allow you to output at 1366x768 (hope you don't mind my asking in this thread)? Or is it best to let the in-built scaler do the job?
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RM 4900.00 for 50x10k is darn good price even without freebies!! Worth it.
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Yes you are right. In both cases, the image received will have be to scaled. True 720p (16:9) is defined as 1280 X 720. The displays we have are either 1024 X 768 or 1366 X 768 for non Full HD. Each case requires the horizontal and vertical pixels to be scaled either upwards or downwards. If you do not like scaling you need to get a 1920 X 1080 display and feed it 1920 X 1080 source (ie, Full HD, Blu Ray or others).  The eye is more susceptible to vertical resolution then horizontal resolution, that's why the 1024 X 768 displays rarely look bad.

Since some form of scaling is necessary, the most important aspect of a non 1080p source would be the quality of the scalar chip that resides in your HDTV. Some use better scalars than others. Bottom line, 720p will always be scaled, of course 480i (NTSC) and 576i (PAL)  will have to be deinterlaced (since all HDTVs are progressive, except one) and then upscaled to fill out all the pixels in you HDTV (be it 1024 X 768 or 1366 X 786 or 1920 X1080). This is what makes the difference between the sets.
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offer for plasma+camera only valid until 10 may? how much is the price after offer finish
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it shud be RM3,699.00, but probably with vouchers or something. i wonder how much can the camera be resold in lowyat?
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it shud be RM3,699.00, but probably with vouchers or something. i wonder how much can the camera be resold in lowyat?
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I should change this thread title to include the 50" X series as well. thumbup.gif All X series users gather here.
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I don't mind tumpang any of the bros here who want to buy the x10 and not want the s26 videocam. I top up the RM300 for it. PM me. smile.gif
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I don't mind tumpang any of the bros here who want to buy the x10 and not want the s26 videocam. I top up the RM300 for it. PM me. smile.gif
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LOL you cheapskate! tongue.gif

I topup RM500 for it, how? icon_rolleyes.gif
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LOL you cheapskate! tongue.gif

I topup RM500 for it, how?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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haha, kianwee sold for RM900 - RM1,000 lar !!! yeah, i probably put up at the garage sale too.
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haha...if somebody is willing to top up above RM800, u will get my deal..
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RM 4850 for TH-p50s10k without freebies. But still throw in the HDMI cable.
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The cheapest price i've asked is RM3400 full package for 42" and 5400 full package for 50" and that shop just don't want to sell TV only.

4850 and 5400 only 550 difference. You all think it's worth keeping the video cam? If the video cam can sell for rm1k then ok lah biggrin.gif
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toytoy, mind pm me which shop can offer the prices u mentioned? thz
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Yah, if you need the Handycam/4GB memory card, then you can take the full package. If you already have Handycam, then another extra cam might not serves the purpose.

After all, the cam need to be sell off, to get the profit back for the Plasma TV. So that the reason, most shop owners are reluctant to separates the purchases.

Yes, kpchow75, th-p50s10k is available right now.
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50" plasma is th-p50X10k, S series is not available yet over here.

by the way, RM3400 for 42" + camcorder is a super duper deal, which shop is offering it?

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Yeah, my mistake. The actual model is TH-P50X10K. RM3400.00 is really cheap for 42" Plasma.


Added on April 23, 2009, 5:21 pmPM me if anyone is interested in TH-P42X10K.


Added on April 23, 2009, 5:25 pmPM me if anymore interested in TH-P42X10K. Special price!

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50" for RM5400?? Which shop?? So far what is the best price for 50" by cash?
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50" for RM5400??  Which shop??  So far what is the best price for 50" by cash?
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50" for RM5400??  Which shop??  So far what is the best price for 50" by cash?
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CASH PRICE $5199 WITHOUT FREEBIES.
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DIFFERANT ONLY $500 WHICH ONE DO U THINK IS BETTER OFFER?
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RM 4900.00 for 50x10k is darn good price even without freebies!! Worth it.
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I don't understand the high price for 50x10 (as compared to the 42").

The RRP for 42x10 in the US is $899 whereas the 50x10 is at $1099 (i.e. 22% higher than 42")

However, here in Malaysia, the price difference is RM3699 vs RM5699 (both with free gifts). Without the free gifts, the prices are roughly RM2900 vs RM4900 - this is a hefty 69% premium for the 50"!

Can someone pls explain why the big difference between the 50" vs 42"? Import duty can't be the reason cuz it's a fixed tax rate on the value of the TV (regardless of the size). I would imagine that the right price difference should be in the range of 20-30% -- if 42x10 retails for RM3k, then 50x10 should be less than RM4k.

Any explanations?
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1 big plasma glass panel can produce 8 units of 42" Panel OR 4 units of 50" panel OR 2 units of 65" panel OR 1 units of 103" panel.

the more number of plasma panel being made will reach economies of scale, which means lower the production cost and vice versa.

if you can understand this production theory, it clearly tells you the reason why 130" plasma tv costs so much expensive than 65" than 50" than 42" than 37"...etc

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1 big plasma glass panel can produce 8 units of 42" Panel OR 4 units of 50" panel OR 2 units of 65" panel OR 1 units of 103" panel.

the more number of plasma panel being made will reach economies of scale, which means lower the production cost and vice versa.

if you can understand this production theory, it clearly tells you the reason why 130" plasma tv costs so much expensive than 65" than 50" than 42" than 37"...etc
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Why is it that they can sell the 50" at only 20% above the 42" in the US; whereas in Malaysia, the price difference is 70%???

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Why is it that they can sell the 50" at only 20% above the 42" in the US; whereas in Malaysia, the price difference is 70%???
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I think it has something to do with USA's huge and very competitive HDTV market.
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It's got everything to do with the local distributors making as much money as they possibly can from the products they sell. So, it's up to the individual to decide if the 70% premium for the extra 8 diagonal inches is worth your money.
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I think it has something to do with USA's huge and very competitive HDTV market.
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what bull lah. Nothing to do with the huge market. UK also so cheap and yet, UK has only double the population of Malaysia.

So the big question again is, why is Panasonic having such big price disparity between 42 and 50 inch panels.

No logic. 70% is way too high.

Furthermore, in developed markets like UK, there are more brands to choose from and consumers have a bigger choice. There are more than 10 major brands competing for 58 mil people

In Malaysia, only 5 or 6 strong brands.

And yet, these 5 or 6 can capture 25 million people

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what bull lah. Nothing to do with the huge market. UK also so cheap and yet, UK has only double the population of Malaysia.

So the big question again is, why is Panasonic having such big price disparity between 42 and 50 inch panels.

No logic. 70% is way too high.

Furthermore, in developed markets like UK, there are more brands to choose from and consumers have a bigger choice. There are more than 10 major brands competing for 58 mil people

In Malaysia, only 5 or 6 strong brands.

And yet, these 5 or 6 can capture 25 million people
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Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, there is no reason to start a flame war, especially with your tainted reputation here. You don't want the same thing that happened a few weeks to happen again do we? There's always a nice way to put your words, no need to start flaming.
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blah blah...

And yet, these 5 or 6 can capture 25 million people
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amazing, officially we don't have HD off the air, and yet every malaysian have HD TV set in their home?
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Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, there is no reason to start a flame war, especially with your tainted reputation here. You don't want the same thing that happened a few weeks to happen again do we? There's always a nice way to put your words, no need to start flaming.
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huh what flame war? u too immature to read kah? It is an opinion. U are also tainted with your previous abusive postings but nobody comments about it.

if you are immature and cannot decipher comments, pls dont take personal attacks. You seem to be wanting to start a flame war, not me.

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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Apr 24 2009, 06:49 PM)
what bull lah. Nothing to do with the huge market. UK also so cheap and yet, UK has only double the population of Malaysia.

So the big question again is, why is Panasonic having such big price disparity between 42 and 50 inch panels.

No logic. 70% is way too high.


It's not only a matter of population size but also spending power - which is much higher per capita in UK than here. Due to this I suspect the market for big panels is much more active overseas than in Malaysia and this competition helps keeps prices lower. In Malaysia maybe 50" is considered premium class but in UK/US it is in moderate class.


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In Malaysia, only 5 or 6 strong brands.

And yet, these 5 or 6 can capture 25 million people
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Sorry, don't get the point you're trying to make here.
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Saw in SS3 PJ in a panasonic lorry roadshow, they selling the TH-P50X10K for 5699 with the freebies.

if can sell the camcorder separate at 1000 in forum, the price of the panel can be 4700

very worth it
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QUOTE(jchong @ Apr 24 2009, 08:19 PM)
It's not only a matter of population size but also spending power - which is much higher per capita in UK than here. Due to this I suspect the market for big panels is much more active overseas than in Malaysia and this competition helps keeps prices lower. In Malaysia maybe 50" is considered premium class but in UK/US it is in moderate class.
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This seems to be the best explanation, but even that, I believe it's doesn't make good business sense. If Panasonic sets such a high price premium, I would imagine that there is an opportunity for some other producers, e.g. Hitachi, to try to capture this 50" market by lowering their price premium. Hence, the overall price for the 50" should equilibrate at a more reasonable level.

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Saw in SS3 PJ in a panasonic lorry roadshow, they selling the TH-P50X10K for 5699 with the freebies.

if can sell the camcorder separate at 1000 in forum, the price of the panel can be 4700

very worth it
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I have tried selling it at RM860 with the freebie and a normal tripod. No response so far sad.gif Any taker?
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I have tried selling it at RM860 with the freebie and a normal tripod. No response so far  sad.gif  Any taker?
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Somehow this thread turn into lelong forum.

Appreciate if more talks on the tweaking and fine tune of this model will start rather than just price.
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QUOTE(gragon @ Apr 26 2009, 12:09 AM)
This seems to be the best explanation, but even that, I believe it's doesn't make good business sense. If Panasonic sets such a high price premium, I would imagine that there is an opportunity for some other producers, e.g. Hitachi, to try to capture this 50" market by lowering their price premium.  Hence, the overall price for the 50" should equilibrate at a more reasonable level.
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Don't know why other brands aren't coming in to undercut the Panasonic price premium. Hope they aren't colluding to artificially keep the premium up hmm.gif
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you want settings, you got settings!

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TC-P42X1/50X1 Reference Settings
Recommended 120 Hour Break-In settings for all 12G Panasonic models (ONLY to be used with Evangelo2's Break-in DVD or Thumbdrive Files!!!!!!!!)

*****Note: This procedure is designed to ensure the reference settings listed below provide maximum satisfaction. This procedure is NOT designed nor recommended to be used solely as Image Retention and/or Burn-in prevention.*****

Picture:
Picture Mode: Vivid
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 55
Color: 65
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 50
Color Temp: Cool
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off

Advance Options
MPEG NR: Off
Black Level: Light

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Picture:
Picture Mode: Cinema
Contrast: 80
Brightness: 78
Color: 30
Tint: G8
Sharpness: 42
Color Temp: Warm
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off

Advance Options
MPEG NR: Off
Black Level: Light

Service Menu Offsets

ADJUST MENU
SUB-BRT: -1

WB-ADJ MENU
R-DRV: -2
G-DRV: -30
B-DRV: -12
R-CUT: -33
G-CUT: -27
B-CUT: -24

Note: These offsets must be entered for both Color matrixes. You access the different matrixes by using a 1080i/p signal for the HD matrix and 480i/p signal for the SD matrix.
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you want settings, you got settings!

QUOTE(D-Nice@avsforum)
TC-P42X1/50X1 Reference Settings

Picture:
Picture Mode: Cinema
Contrast: 80
Brightness: 78
Color: 30
Tint: G8
Sharpness: 42
Color Temp: Warm
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off

Advance Options
MPEG NR: Off
Black Level: Light

Service Menu Offsets

ADJUST MENU
SUB-BRT: -1

WB-ADJ MENU
R-DRV: -2
G-DRV: -30
B-DRV: -12
R-CUT: -33
G-CUT: -27
B-CUT: -24

Note: These offsets must be entered for both Color matrixes. You access the different matrixes by using a 1080i/p signal for the HD matrix and 480i/p signal for the SD matrix.
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I just bought the plasma today, i have heard about the break in procedure from my friend. But i have no idea about this, any body can share the break in procedure setting?

Neb, the picture setting menu is difference from mines, there is no "tint" setting and the brightness setting max is until +50.
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the settings I posted are for USA's model with NTSC mode, to read more jump to:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1128487

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QUOTE(jchong @ Apr 24 2009, 08:19 PM)
It's not only a matter of population size but also spending power - which is much higher per capita in UK than here. Due to this I suspect the market for big panels is much more active overseas than in Malaysia and this competition helps keeps prices lower. In Malaysia maybe 50" is considered premium class but in UK/US it is in moderate class.
Sorry, don't get the point you're trying to make here.
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I don't think it's just a matter of spending power, Malaysia's upper-income class certainly has comparable spending power to Western countries. Just compare the luxury car markets....

Let's not forget the HDTV market here is not as mature as the UK/US. Just compare HD rollout, BD penetration etc etc, so in a sense it's still a 'niche' market in terms of demand. Now couple with that the fact that the retail market here is also behind the curve comparatively....e.g. you can log onto buy.com, amazon.com and buy a TV on these sites for great prices due to their business model. This is also another mitigating factor in terms of competitive price pressure in the HDTV market.

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another settings for cinema mode, make sure the TV set has gone through minimum burn-in hour, otherwise the settings will drift:

QUOTE(googleme7@avsforum)
CINEMA

Contrast - 80
Brightness - 50
Color - 36
Tint - (+6)
Sharpness - 50
Color Temp - WARM
Black Level Light
Everything else OFF
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QUOTE(neb @ Apr 26 2009, 05:45 PM)
another settings for cinema mode, make sure the TV set has gone through minimum burn-in hour, otherwise the settings will drift:

QUOTE(googleme7@avsforum)
CINEMA

Contrast - 80
Brightness - 50
Color - 36
Tint - (+6)
Sharpness - 50
Color Temp - WARM
Black Level Light
Everything else OFF
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am kinda lost, but what is the "minimum burn-in hour"?

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I don't think it's just a matter of spending power, Malaysia's upper-income class certainly has comparable spending power to Western countries. Just compare the luxury car markets....


I note you said "Malaysia's upper-income class" and that's precisely true... it takes our upper-income class to match UK's middle-class. To take your analogy of luxury cars, compare the affordability of say a BMW or Benz in western countries compared to here. How long or hard does a Malaysian need to work in order to buy one of those cars compared to someone overseas? Same with HT equipment.

But yes, it's not only a matter of spending power. The whole economics thing is quite involved.

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Let's not forget the HDTV market here is not as mature as the UK/US. Just compare HD rollout, BD penetration etc etc, so in a sense it's still a 'niche' market in terms of demand. Now couple with that the fact that the retail market here is also behind the curve comparatively....e.g. you can log onto buy.com, amazon.com and buy a TV on these sites for great prices due to their business model. This is also another mitigating factor in terms of competitive price pressure in the HDTV market.
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Agreed.
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read my link in post 310, recommendation is to have 120 hours burn-in for the brand new set using the method given in that link before doing the setting.

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ahh, no review? has been waiting for it, tempted to upgrade from 32" to 42" plasma
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I don't have special 'eye sense' to pictures, but here's my X10K review:

Good
- ASTRO picture good
- Price good

Bad
- Reflections quite powderful
- Plasma TV quite hot


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QUOTE(jchong @ Apr 26 2009, 07:02 PM)
I note you said "Malaysia's upper-income class" and that's precisely true... it takes our upper-income class to match UK's middle-class. To take your analogy of luxury cars, compare the affordability of say a BMW or Benz in western countries compared to here. How long or hard does a Malaysian need to work in order to buy one of those cars compared to someone overseas? Same with HT equipment.

But yes, it's not only a matter of spending power. The whole economics thing is quite involved.
Agreed.
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Well in that sense then yes, Malaysians will earn less in real dollars. And everything imported will be more expensive from a buyer's point of view comparatively.

I hope Malaysia hurries up with a HD rollout plan, but watching it's Broadband rollout has been rather distressing.
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[quote=jchong,Apr 26 2009, 07:02 PM]
I note you said "Malaysia's upper-income class" and that's precisely true... it takes our upper-income class to match UK's middle-class. To take your analogy of luxury cars, compare the affordability of say a BMW or Benz in western countries compared to here. How long or hard does a Malaysian need to work in order to buy one of those cars compared to someone overseas? Same with HT equipment.


I qualify. In UK, even the working class have plasmas at home. I know people on Social security benefits and still they can afford to buy plasma.

About Benz, 10 year old W124 is less than 1000 pounds. Msians are definitely being conned.

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dig up some charts done by D-nice@avsforum, showing before and after calibration done on X1(not x10 plasma though sweat.gif ) panasonic plasma, target is D65 CIE Illuminant standard:
user posted imageuser posted image

another set of charts showing colour accuracy with respect to rec. 709 HDTV standard:
user posted imageuser posted image
inside bullseye circle, must be pretty much accurate!

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Just bought the plasma 42X10K last saturday from HTkaki.
Really impress with ASTRO quality and the best thing best price from Htkaki.

But i noticed, this plasma tv quite hot. Or should i used ECO mode?.
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Just bought the plasma 42X10K last saturday from HTkaki.
Really impress with ASTRO quality and the best thing best price from Htkaki.

But i noticed, this plasma tv quite hot. Or should i used ECO mode?.
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Plasma generated more heat, that's normal. No AC at your hall? sweat.gif
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maybe not enough coolant or ventilation plasma can over heat .. smoke will come out!
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I just bought my 42x10k at lxxxxx shop at RM3450 includes free gift. can check the setting to access the service menu still the same as PV80? Just to make sure this is not the display set.
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I just bought my 42x10k at lxxxxx shop at RM3450 includes free gift. can check the setting to access the service menu still the same as PV80? Just to make sure this is not the display set.
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Yup same. Mine's from lxxxxx too, brand new set with 0 counter thumbup.gif
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you guys got any dead pixel on the plasma panel?

is this how you access the serviceman menu: hold down "volume -" on the plasma, then press "info" button 3 times on the remote?

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you guys got any dead pixel on the plasma panel?

is this how you access the serviceman menu: hold down "volume -" on the plasma, then press "info" button 3 times on the remote?
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I think dead/stuck pixels is pretty rare on a plasma, even though there's possibility.

Mine's ok.
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Yup same. Mine's from lxxxxx too, brand new set with 0 counter thumbup.gif
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What is "lxxxxx"? Is it Legend in SS2?
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Legend. There are 4 branches IIRC.
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QUOTE(neb @ Apr 26 2009, 11:57 PM)
dig up some charts done by D-nice@avsforum, showing before and after calibration done on X1(not x10 plasma though sweat.gif ) panasonic plasma, target is D65 CIE Illuminant standard:
user posted imageuser posted image

another set of charts showing colour accuracy with respect to rec. 709 HDTV standard:
user posted imageuser posted image
inside bullseye circle, must be pretty much accurate!
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The bullseye circle is not the correct way to see the accuracy. Look at the Delta E numbers. For colours, it should be Delta E 1994, best to be below 1, better below 1.5, below 3 should be good. The bullseye circle is for the calibrator when he is calibrating.

For grayscale, 1976 Delta E should be below 2. Anything below 1 is very good. The X10 is better in terms of colour and grayscale compared to the PV80 and much better black levels.
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great! we have lowyat member who can read the chart. rclxms.gif

however the charts are for x1, wonder anyone in malaysia has the equipment to do the calibration and publish the result for x10 and the settings for diy calibration.
the calibrator is using PR-655 spectroradiometer, the price of one unit can buy you 15x P42x10
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QUOTE(neb @ Apr 27 2009, 07:47 PM)
great! we have lowyat member who can read the chart.  rclxms.gif

however the charts are for x1, wonder anyone in malaysia has the equipment to do the calibration and publish the result for x10 and the settings for diy calibration.
the calibrator is using PR-655 spectroradiometer, the price of one unit can buy you 15x P42x10
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I shd be getting round to calibrating one soon. I have done the PV80 before. The PR-655 is an excellent meter. It is more for professional calibration. An EyeOne pro that is also a spectroradiometer, is more than acceptable. Most pro calibrators use it in conjuction with a more expensive meter. A Chroma 5 is also a very decent meter. There are a lot of comparisons between these 2 meters and the more expensive PR-655 and the results are almost similar. There is a company in Malaysia who uses the Konica Minolta CS200 that is also a fairly expensive meter. D-Nice is a great guy and his knowledge of plasmas is extremely deep.
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delta E 1994 for green and cyan is over 3 so no good? so how will these manifest in the plasma display?

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all sifu/taikor,

do u all feel that P42X10 PQ abit dark? not yet try the expert's setting. anyone try it? how's the PQ?

cheeers
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delta E 1994 for green and cyan is over 3 so no good? so how will these manifest in the plasma display?
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It just means that these 2 colours are not too accurate. Still its pretty acceptable. The eye is pretty sensitive to variations in blue (skies) and red (skin tones). The eye is also very sensitive to luminance errors in these 2 colours. The X10 fixes one issue that the PV80 had. If you look at the colour luminance charts, post calibration the luminance of red is pretty accurate. If the black bar beside the red is way higher than the red bar, you would see it in skin tones (tanned skins). Since the Pannys do not have a CMS there is nothing you can do about it. The error in cyan is there mainly because of the error in green. Once you are used to calibrated colours, you will notice errors, if you are not, you might not even feel it (green and cyan). Inaccurate reds and blues you would see quickly.

This is one area where the Samsungs do very well. They have a fantastic CMS and the colour errors are almost below 0.5!
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so samsung LCD TV has full 3D CMS(Colour Management System) and manual colour temperature controls? panasonic should add those in their future plasma.

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so samsung LCD TV has full 3D CMS(Colour Management System) and manual colour temperature controls? panasonic should add those in their future plasma.
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pansonic only have colour temperature control but hidden in the service menu.

You still need a colorimeter to do full CMS adjustment and greyscale adjustment. It's not for an average joe to do the tuning and can screw up the setting.
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Yes. Samsungs LCDs (from 650 onwards) and Plasmas have full CMS and 2 point greyscale adjustment.
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Hi bro, does this X10 has a lot of calibration to do? Do you think there will be much improvement after calibration? Please advice. I'm now watching mine with default setting only.
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Hi bro, does this X10 has a lot of calibration to do? Do you think there will be much improvement after calibration? Please advice. I'm now watching mine with default setting only.
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Definately, it will improve quite a bit. The X10 can be calibrated to good grayscale in the service menu. Shadow details will improve pretty much. The default setting have a bad greycale and the colour temp is way off. You will see a more 3D image when grayscale is calibrated. Especially for DVD and BluRay. For Astro, not too much since the compression on Astro is pretty bad. Also Astro does not broadcast any test patterns to calibrate the picture with.

I calibrated a PV80 for a fellow forumer, there was a difference that he could see.
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Apr 28 2009, 10:11 AM)
Definately, it will improve quite a bit. The X10 can be calibrated to good grayscale in the service menu. Shadow details will improve pretty much. The default setting have a bad greycale and the colour temp is way off. You will see a more 3D image when grayscale is calibrated. Especially for DVD and BluRay. For Astro, not too much since the compression on Astro is pretty bad. Also Astro does not broadcast any test patterns to calibrate the picture with.

I calibrated a PV80 for a fellow forumer, there was a difference that he could see.
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Thanks for the reply bro. Unfortunately I don't know how to tune and do not have the proper device to tune. If ever you come to Selangor, maybe you can help me to tune. I don't mind paying for the service. tongue.gif

I was thinking of ordering the Digital Video Essential blu-ray disc for tuning on my X10. Do you think that will have much improvement? I don't want to spent RM100 on a blu-ray in the end turns out nothing much improvement.

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Apr 28 2009, 10:11 AM)
Definately, it will improve quite a bit. The X10 can be calibrated to good grayscale in the service menu. Shadow details will improve pretty much. The default setting have a bad greycale and the colour temp is way off. You will see a more 3D image when grayscale is calibrated. Especially for DVD and BluRay. For Astro, not too much since the compression on Astro is pretty bad. Also Astro does not broadcast any test patterns to calibrate the picture with.

I calibrated a PV80 for a fellow forumer, there was a difference that he could see.
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Sifu, one thing i never understand is why can't Panasonic tune to the best setting in the factory? Why tune to crappy setting and sell to end users and have end users tune it again? doh.gif
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Sifu, one thing i never understand is why can't Panasonic tune to the best setting in the factory? Why tune to crappy setting and sell to end users and have end users tune it again?  doh.gif
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Sifu, one thing i never understand is why can't Panasonic tune to the best setting in the factory? Why tune to crappy setting and sell to end users and have end users tune it again?  doh.gif
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As mys_terious said, it depends on the source. Different DVD players, set top boxes have different outputs. Most DVD players send the signals in different formats, ie, RGB, YCbCr and they have different deinterlacing and scaling chips in them. The signals are different. Most sets have a mode that they try to get it into the ballpark. I believe for Panny it is the Cinema mode. Others call it the Movie mode or something, yet it is still pretty far from D65 and the colour coordinates. It all boils down to cost. For cable/astro it is really bad, since different cable operators use different mastering and video software and might tweak their broadcasts differently. Also your viewing environment is key. Depending on your ambient light in the room, the calibration is different.
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Not bad thumbup.gif

I always wonder if their G12 X series is the exact same panel with our G12 X series here locally. hmm.gif
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I always wonder if their G12 X series is the exact same panel with our G12 X series here locally. hmm.gif
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Thanks for the reply bro. Unfortunately I don't know how to tune and do not have the proper device to tune. If ever you come to Selangor, maybe you can help me to tune. I don't mind paying for the service. tongue.gif

I was thinking of ordering the Digital Video Essential blu-ray disc for tuning on my X10. Do you think that will have much improvement? I don't want to spent RM100 on a blu-ray in the end turns out nothing much improvement.
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The DVE BD is a good disc to do basic adjustments with some explanations. Without any tools, the only adjustements u can do are brightness, contrast, basic colour (if u have filters , this is very inaccurate) and sharpness.

For this I would recommend the free AVSHD709 disc. It has the test patterns you need to do the brightness, contrast and sharpness and it is free. This disc can be burned into a standard DVD but will only play in a BD player (because it AVCHD). You can PM me and I can guide you on how u can set the brightness and contrast.

The good thing about the DVE is it has a tutorial, but with guidance the AVSHD709 can achieve the same thing.

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QUOTE(xrossf1re @ Apr 28 2009, 10:50 AM)
Sifu, one thing i never understand is why can't Panasonic tune to the best setting in the factory? Why tune to crappy setting and sell to end users and have end users tune it again?  doh.gif
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I am no sifu blush.gif , but this is my opinion:
the panasonic plasma panels needed to be break-in for at lease 120 hour before calibration can be done on them, if they calibrate on the new set the final result on screen will be drifted away from the target standard anyway. It is simply not economical for them to waste 5 days' electricity to break-in and hold up the assembly line. If they calibrate every set before leaving factory, the final plasma price will be very high for consumers.


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For this I would recommend the free AVSHD709 disc. It has the test patterns you need to do the brightness, contrast and sharpness and it is free. This disc can be burned into a standard DVD but will only play in a BD player (because it AVCHD). You can PM me and I can guide you on how u can set the brightness and contrast.

The good thing about the DVE is it has a tutorial, but with guidance the AVSHD709 can achieve the same thing.
I just downloaded the AVSHD709 v1.2b calibration disk from avsforum, is this the right one?




GREYSCALE & COLOUR CALIBRATION FOR DUMMIES!


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Quick question, playhouse disney astro 613 on my plasma averages 4 to 5 hours a day, with the annoying logo on the bottom left corner of the screen.
Will this cause "burn-in" in that corner?

Anyone in Kuching knows how to calibrate? The instructions given here are pretty technical (to me), and I don't have the guts to do it. Help please?


Added on April 28, 2009, 6:29 pmOh, the breaking-in is now 97 hours.....no point calibrating yet?

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I am no sifu blush.gif , but this is my opinion:
the panasonic plasma panels needed to be break-in for at lease 120 hour before calibration can be done on them, if they calibrate on the new set the final result on screen will be drifted away from the target standard anyway. It is simply not economical for them to waste 5 days' electricity to break-in and hold up the assembly line. If they calibrate every set before leaving factory, the final plasma price will be very high for consumers.
I just downloaded the AVSHD709 v1.2b calibration disk from avsforum, is this the right one?
GREYSCALE & COLOUR CALIBRATION FOR DUMMIES!
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Yes that is the correct disk. Remember that you can set brightness, contrast, sharpness with no additional sensor. Also your link of the greyscale & colour calibration is a good place to start. To adjust gresycale you no a minimum of a colorimeter. Same goes to colour as well. A spectrophotometer is a more accurate tool. Gamma also requires one of those tools to set correctly. Anyway, setting brightness and contrast correctly goes a long way. PM me if u have questions. Maybe I should start a thread for calibration


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Quick question, playhouse disney astro 613 on my plasma averages 4 to 5 hours a day, with the annoying logo on the bottom left corner of the screen.
Will this cause "burn-in" in that corner?

Anyone in Kuching knows how to calibrate? The instructions given here are pretty technical (to me), and I don't have the guts to do it. Help please?


Added on April 28, 2009, 6:29 pmOh, the breaking-in is now 97 hours.....no point calibrating yet?
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You know what, I might be in Kuching soon....Will let u know.

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if you notice the review the spec for input/output is different than malaysian model...

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.... Maybe I should start a thread for calibration
that would be perfect! like what D-Nice has done, publish the offsets so that we can diy calibrate X10 plasma and other display as well without any tools.

Eye-One Display 2 = US$279, quite reasonably priced actually, might get one of those meter myself.

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that would be perfect! like what D-Nice has done, publish the offsets so that we can diy calibrate X10 plasma and other display as well without any tools.

Eye-One Display 2 = US$279, quite reasonably priced actually, might get one of those meter myself.
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EyeOne Display 2 is a pretty good starter meter. U can use it with the free HCFR or buy it with Calman package. In my opinion, Calman is a better deal! PM if u r interested.
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Apr 28 2009, 06:53 PM)
Yes that is the correct disk. Remember that you can set brightness, contrast, sharpness with no additional sensor. Also your link of the greyscale & colour calibration is a good place to start. To adjust gresycale you no a minimum of a colorimeter. Same goes to colour as well. A spectrophotometer is a more accurate tool. Gamma also requires one of those tools to set correctly. Anyway, setting brightness and contrast correctly goes a long way. PM me if u have questions. Maybe I should start a thread for calibration


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You know what, I might be in Kuching soon....Will let u know.
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Apr 28 2009, 09:47 AM)
pansonic only have colour temperature control but hidden in the service menu.

You still need a colorimeter to do full CMS adjustment and greyscale adjustment. It's not for an average joe to do the tuning and can screw up the setting.
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I agree, adjustments in the service menu should be done only if u know what u r doing. Adjusting the wrong item can cause damage to ur set. Also adjustments of grayscale and colour as well as gamma can only be done with a colorimeter or a spectrophotometer.
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Yup same. Mine's from lxxxxx too, brand new set with 0 counter thumbup.gif
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I got one yesterday...how to check the counter...coz i feel that my unit is display set.
The packing look like been opened before when delivered to me.
When i call to the shop, it say they open up to ramdom check it. See got cracks or any thing wrong with the unit.
They say it is 100% not display set... but i dun quite believe.

The counter means numbers of times "on" the plasma set or how many hours?

Please help.

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I got one yesterday...how to check the counter...coz i feel that my unit is display set.
The packing look like been opened before when delivered to me.
When i call to the shop, it say they open up to ramdom check it. See got cracks or any thing wrong with the unit.
They say it is 100% not display set... but i dun quite believe.

The counter means numbers of times "on" the plasma set or how many hours?

Please help.

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Check out the Panasonic PV80 thread, the last few pages has the instructions. The X10 employes the same method to check the hours.

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This is the one. Should work.
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QUOTE(dashisiong @ Apr 29 2009, 03:55 AM)
I got one yesterday...how to check the counter...coz i feel that my unit is display set.
The packing look like been opened before when delivered to me.
When i call to the shop, it say they open up to ramdom check it. See got cracks or any thing wrong with the unit.
They say it is 100% not display set... but i dun quite believe.

The counter means numbers of times "on" the plasma set or how many hours?

Please help.

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any possible way to split the p42x10k screen to half so that i can watch 2 astro programs at the same time?
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I don't think so, X10 doesn't even have PIP mode.
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any possible way to split the p42x10k screen to half so that i can watch 2 astro programs at the same time?
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Even if the TV can split screen, you can't watch 2 different Astro programmes if you only have 1 decoder.
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astro max has 2 tuners inside, although can't watch 2 channels simultaneously, record 1 channel and watch another is possible.

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hi all, how long can a plasma last? as durable as conventional crt tv? my mom is using 7-yr old 29" crt and is still alive & kicking; plan to get one for her as mother's day gift, she is an astro fanatic (>10 hr on avg) so plasma should be a right choice eh? thks~
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QUOTE(sotong168 @ Apr 30 2009, 09:57 PM)
hi all, how long can a plasma last?  as durable as conventional crt tv? my mom is using 7-yr old 29" crt and is still alive & kicking; plan to get one for her as mother's day gift, she is an astro fanatic (>10 hr on avg) so plasma should be a right choice eh?  thks~
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There will be a possibility of IR on plasma since she is Astro fanatic as reported by phat_newbie on his Pana plasma tv. Plasma tv cld last up to 100,000hours according to Panasonic website. You may find out the details there.

LCD TV would be better choice but ghosting might be an issue. Moreover, there are rare cases where IR happened too.
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hi all, how long can a plasma last?  as durable as conventional crt tv? my mom is using 7-yr old 29" crt and is still alive & kicking; plan to get one for her as mother's day gift, she is an astro fanatic (>10 hr on avg) so plasma should be a right choice eh?  thks~
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30 years panel life claimed by manufacturer, should give us 30 years warranty to back up their claim drool.gif
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Thanks bro, i tried and everything work fine. Only problem i face is i can't press the "on" on plasma to quit.
(I have to switch off the TV set and on back)
And i also got the information i need.
Total time is 78 mins and counts = 25!!!

Which mean the set i got is not a new one. The most i on n off the TV set 5 times.

Yes, i have to agreed the shop give me a very good price.
It is RM33xx with free gift w/ 3 yrs warranty or RM35xx with free gifts w/ 5 yrs warranty.

Anyway, i hv call up the shop and the first time he told me it is 100% new but promise he will check with his HQ.
The second time he call, i told him i manage to get in the service manual and told him about the time n count.
Quickly he told me he not sure what the HQ have done and he will call to ask his big boss.

Lastly, today he call and say he agreed to change a new set for me and meanwhile ask me to use this set first.
I will update the status here when i got the new one.

Thanks for everyone help...btw this plasma is really good n i like it very much!



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QUOTE(dashisiong @ May 1 2009, 12:04 AM)
Thanks bro, i tried and everything work fine. Only problem i face is i can't press the "on" on plasma to quit.
(I have to switch off the TV set and on back)
And i also got the information i need.
Total time is 78 mins and counts = 25!!!

Which mean the set i got is not a new one. The most i on n off the TV set 5 times.

Yes, i have to agreed the shop give me a very good price.
It is RM33xx with free gift w/ 3 yrs warranty or RM35xx with free gifts w/ 5 yrs warranty.

Anyway, i hv call up the shop and the first time he told me it is 100% new but promise he will check with his HQ.
The second time he call, i told him i manage to get in the service manual and told him about the time n count.
Quickly he told me he not sure what the HQ have done and he will call to ask his big boss.

Lastly, today he call and say he agreed to change a new set for me and meanwhile ask me to use this set first.
I will update the status here when i got the new one.

Thanks for everyone help...btw this plasma is really good n i like it very much!
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QUOTE(dashisiong @ May 1 2009, 12:04 AM)
Thanks bro, i tried and everything work fine. Only problem i face is i can't press the "on" on plasma to quit.
(I have to switch off the TV set and on back)
And i also got the information i need.
Total time is 78 mins and counts = 25!!!

Which mean the set i got is not a new one. The most i on n off the TV set 5 times.

Yes, i have to agreed the shop give me a very good price.
It is RM33xx with free gift w/ 3 yrs warranty or RM35xx with free gifts w/ 5 yrs warranty.

Anyway, i hv call up the shop and the first time he told me it is 100% new but promise he will check with his HQ.
The second time he call, i told him i manage to get in the service manual and told him about the time n count.
Quickly he told me he not sure what the HQ have done and he will call to ask his big boss.

Lastly, today he call and say he agreed to change a new set for me and meanwhile ask me to use this set first.
I will update the status here when i got the new one.

Thanks for everyone help...btw this plasma is really good n i like it very much!
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30 years warranty to back their claim. They will go bust, bro.
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QUOTE(neb @ Apr 30 2009, 11:31 PM)
30 years panel life claimed by manufacturer, should give us 30 years warranty to back up their claim drool.gif
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You must remember that other electronic components will not last so long. That's why the warranty of 3-5yrs is reasonable. Even though the panel does not spoil other components can still damage the panel.
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hi, is TH-P42X10K = TC-P42X1 (in US) as i hv found this thread @ http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1128487 , it's about break-in & reference setting (for after-break-in).

btw, how many hv bought this in Kuching as i'm about to get one soon, which shop got the best offer. Thks~
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I have one, as you already know, RM2900 with free HMDI. Re calibration, am hopeful anfieldude will help when he's in town.

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yes podrunner, i will go to the shop u bought, it's a good price indeed especially price are usually higher over here compare to peninsular.
btw, refer to the link i posted, seems to me that TH-P42X10K = TC-P42X1 in us
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QUOTE(sotong168 @ May 1 2009, 04:36 PM)
yes podrunner, i will go to the shop u bought, it's a good price indeed especially price are usually higher over here compare to peninsular.
btw, refer to the link i posted, seems to me that TH-P42X10K = TC-P42X1 in us
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sotong, afraid to touch service menu!! help? hehe

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ May 1 2009, 02:23 PM)
You must remember that other electronic components will not last so long. That's why the warranty of 3-5yrs is reasonable. Even though the panel does not spoil other components can still damage the panel.
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Especially with the inconsistency of power supply doh.gif
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QUOTE(podrunner @ May 1 2009, 05:46 PM)
sotong, afraid to touch service menu!!  help? hehe
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have u ever access into it yet? well, i'm going to use my camcorder to record sweat.gif or digicam to snap down the default setting, just in case any mishap happen, i still can revert back to original setting.

@ htkaki, i hv make up my mind to go for plasma even there is a possibility of IR or burn-in as astro looks terrible on LCD, i guess i'm gonna "curse" by my mom if i get her a LCD for astro watching tongue.gif .

btw, since u r a pro in this field, may i know what break-in setting do u use? is it follow the guide at avsforum by d-nice or u have your own method? thks~
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QUOTE(sotong168 @ May 1 2009, 08:37 PM)
have u ever access into it yet?  well, i'm going to use my camcorder to record sweat.gif  or digicam to snap down the default setting, just in case any mishap happen, i still can revert back to original setting.



I went into service menu to check the usage time only. There are very detailed instructions on how to do this over at the PV80 thread. I need step by step guide! Will probably wait for anfieldude. When are you getting yours?

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I went into service menu to check the usage time only. There are very detailed instructions on how to do this over at the PV80 thread. I need step by step guide! Will probably wait for anfieldude. When are you getting yours?
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if TH-P42X10K = TC-P42X1 , then i will use the guide @ http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1128487 , post#1 is about 120hr break-in (no changes needed in service menu), post#2 is about optimum setting but u can always tweak base on your preference, need to be careful with changes under service menu tho'.
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rm3799 (sdr 26, 4gb sd, hdmi cable)2+1+2 years panasonic warranty+s-video cable+6 pcs dinner plates+free delivery.

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QUOTE(sotong168 @ May 1 2009, 09:47 PM)
if TH-P42X10K = TC-P42X1 , then i will use the guide @ http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1128487 , post#1 is about 120hr break-in (no changes needed in service menu), post#2 is about optimum setting but u can always tweak base on your preference, need to be careful with changes under service menu tho'.
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Re Post #1: so using the "thumbdrive files", I leave it playing for 120 hours, or how? Sorry, am slow lah.


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Re Post #1: so using the "thumbdrive files", I leave it playing for 120 hours, or how?  Sorry, am slow lah.
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frm what i understand frm the thread (close to 3hr reading sweat.gif ), 1st set to below setting:

Picture Mode: Vivid
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 55
Color: 65
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 50
Color Temp: Cool
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off

Advance Options
MPEG NR: Off
Black Level: Light

then download the break-in img, unzip the 20 jpg to SD, insert to SD slot and start to cycle the slides in "slow" mode for 120hr. After u hv done break-in, set the "warm" setting (for both SD & HD) according to reference setting at post#2, need to be extra cautious as it invilve tweaking inside service menu. but i hv not experience yet so dun take my word 100% as of now until i get my unit to test tongue.gif
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QUOTE(sotong168 @ May 1 2009, 10:18 PM)
frm what i understand frm the thread (close to 3hr reading sweat.gif ), 1st set to below setting:

Picture Mode: Vivid
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 55
Color: 65
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 50
Color Temp: Cool
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off

Advance Options
MPEG NR: Off
Black Level: Light

then download the break-in img, unzip the 20 jpg to SD, insert to SD slot and start to cycle the slides in "slow" mode for 120hr.  After u hv done break-in, set the "warm" setting (for both SD & HD) according to reference setting at post#2, need to be extra cautious as it invilve tweaking inside service menu.  but i hv not experience yet so dun take my word 100% as of now until i get my unit to test tongue.gif
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I bought one last Sunday, mines tv setting don't have the advance options and there is no vivid mode in picture mode selection. The service manual setting is also abit difference as post on avsforum. Seem like the US version is a bit difference from Malaysia.
Also, the S1 series in US is stated with Neo PDP but not for Asia.
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still no sifu can help answer me meh? izzit the 42x10 PQ abit dark? contrast already increase to 100 still look like dark dark 1.fell like watching old movie. izzit normal? please advise
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bro can u tell us where did u buy it.. thanx
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I got it from one of the JB shop. Name i dun want to say it coz now i still waiting for the replacement unit.
Maybe after i got the unit i will pm u.

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still no sifu can help answer me meh? izzit the 42x10 PQ abit dark? contrast already increase to 100 still look like dark dark 1.fell like watching old movie. izzit normal? please advise
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it would help if you can snap a picture showing how dark is the screen when you are watching from what source, and you current setting
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@kpchow75, thks for the info, as what i understand, his break-in method is applicable for all G12 panel. his recommended setting is to expedite the break-in process so i dun think it should be a prob in using other pic mode. btw, i dun hv the unit so i can't really test.

btw, any sifu here can enlighten how do u break-in x10?

frm the site, there is one "coming soon" under x-series, what would it be? and any idea about the price on G or S series? Thks~

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this is the latest price I gathered (42" X10)



1 ) Tong Kong (SS2 PJ) RM3099 (no freebies, cash price)
2) Legend (Jln Klang Lama) RM3088 (no freebies, cash price)
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any bro , what to update the latest pricing ?


Added on May 2, 2009, 10:24 am

heard so much about the reflections problems...on the X10... just want to ask if
we "ON" the TV and the hall got few downlights....will it reflected on the screen while
I am watching ??? thanks

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I got my P50x yesterday for RM 5599/= (with freebies)--2+1 warrenty, think is a good deal!!!
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my in-law bought the 42X10+SDR26+4G SD+HDMI for 3799 from jusco member day
got back RM380 (ok, spend another few ringgit to round up the amount to 3800) with free delivery
so it cost them about 3420 for the package
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it would help if you can snap a picture showing how dark is the screen when you are watching from what source, and you current setting
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my current setting are:

viewing mode: normal
contrast: 100
brightness: +10
colour : 55
sharpness: 40
colour balance: cool
colour management: off
eco mode: off
P-NR: min
3D-Comb: off

can all sifu show your setting also as reference?

able to go in the service menu and my plasma's operation hours now is 133 hours for 2 weeks (keke). n i saw that's a contrast column in the service menu also. can i increase from there? n how the setting?
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@termite9, it is advise not to chg any setting under service menu unless u r clear what u r trying to do.

btw, why your brightness only 10? i saw ppl setting is at 70, contrast at about 80 depends on one preference
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@termite9, it is advise not to chg any setting under service menu unless u r clear what u r trying to do.

btw, why your brightness only 10? i saw ppl setting is at 70, contrast at about 80 depends on one preference
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The brightness setting only can go up to +50 bro. doh.gif
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@kianwee, opps i see, the settings was retrieved frm US. since u got one, maybe u can advise him.
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if altering user accessible settings can not improve the brightness any further, a few options are avaible to improve your set:

buy colourimeter and calibrate yourself,
or pay calibrator to do it for you,
or waiting for someone to be kind enough to publish their calibrated offset for X10

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QUOTE(termite9 @ May 2 2009, 02:02 PM)
my current setting are:

viewing mode: normal
contrast: 100
brightness: +10
colour : 55
sharpness: 40
colour balance: cool
colour management: off
eco mode: off
P-NR: min
3D-Comb: off

can all sifu show your setting also as reference?

able to go in the service menu and my plasma's operation hours now is 133 hours for 2 weeks (keke). n i saw that's a contrast column in the service menu also. can i increase from there? n how the setting?
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I would advise you to reduce the contrast for now. This is too bright.
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want to ask sumthing, if plug the hdmi cable, would i be able to view 1080p resolutions?
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I would advise you to reduce the contrast for now. This is too bright.
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the problem is increase to 100 still very dark, white colour look like grey
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strange, normally manufacturer calibrate their set to display in vibrant and bright colour mode to attract more customers to buy.
check your source machine and cable.

last resort is to lodge a complaint to panasonic, may be they will calibrate your set for free

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the problem is increase to 100 still very dark, white colour look like grey
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Perhaps best to complain to the shop you brought it from, and get them to come and take a look.
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the problem is increase to 100 still very dark, white colour look like grey
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Let me try to understand your problem. What do u mean by dark? Not enough contrast, or not enough shadow details. The brightness is actually a black level adjustment and the contrast is actually a white level adjustment. At these contrast settings and your current mode your windowed patterned is actually very high. It shd be more that 50ft/L. Is your TV in room of high ambient lighting? White colour looking grey is not correct. I have calibrated the older Pannys, contrast setting on the cinema mode was definately not that high. And the white was D65 white. You might need to get a LCD if this is what u want. Remember that the colours and greyscale are totally out of whack at these levels, unless ur set is a faulty set.
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Receive my 50" panny (50x10) just now from htkaki...
did some break-in for one hour..but cannot tahan already ..
plug my dvico and watch some miss usa 1080i files... and other 1080p and 720p movie and tv files

from what i seen for now ..very impress

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ordered one 42", arrive next tuesday tentatively, plan to break-in & calibrate b4 hand-over to my mom, need sifu to share your calibration setting, thks~
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ordered one 42", arrive next tuesday tentatively, plan to break-in & calibrate b4 hand-over to my mom, need sifu to share your calibration setting, thks~
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Brightness and contrast ratio I set to max. Run everyday before I sleep for 8 hours. Completed break-in in 10 days.
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Hi Guys and Sifus,

I'm a newbie in lowyat.net and have been following this forum with keen interest. I'm considering to get this latest Panasonic plasma but not sure what size will be suitable for my living room. Viewing distance approximately 8 to 9 ft. Hoping that sifus here can help me out.

Also, where can I get the best deals for both the 42" and the 50"? Went to Legend yesterday and their best price is RM3500 cash for the 42" and RM5500 cash for the 50". Tried to bargain but they wouldn't budge. I guess they have limited units left in stock.
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QUOTE(polarmint @ May 3 2009, 02:36 AM)
Hi Guys and Sifus,

I'm a newbie in lowyat.net and have been following this forum with keen interest. I'm considering to get this latest Panasonic plasma but not sure what size will be suitable for my living room. Viewing distance approximately 8 to 9 ft. Hoping that sifus here can help me out.

Also, where can I get the best deals for both the 42" and the 50"? Went to Legend yesterday and their best price is RM3500 cash for the 42" and RM5500 cash for the 50". Tried to bargain but they wouldn't budge. I guess they have limited units left in stock.
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I would recommend 50", because that is my viewing distance as well. I tried 42" in my hall but my wifey says it is a bit small. 50" is just nice.
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QUOTE(polarmint @ May 3 2009, 02:36 AM)
Hi Guys and Sifus,

I'm a newbie in lowyat.net and have been following this forum with keen interest. I'm considering to get this latest Panasonic plasma but not sure what size will be suitable for my living room. Viewing distance approximately 8 to 9 ft. Hoping that sifus here can help me out.

Also, where can I get the best deals for both the 42" and the 50"? Went to Legend yesterday and their best price is RM3500 cash for the 42" and RM5500 cash for the 50". Tried to bargain but they wouldn't budge. I guess they have limited units left in stock.
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For viewing distance the general rule is 1.5 - 2.0x the width of the screen. A 42" plasma TV is 36.6" wide, so the viewing distance is between 54.9" - 73.2". A 50" plasma is 43.6" wide so you can work out the distance.

Legend has got competitive prices. You can also try some of our forummers here like htkaki. See his sig for his sales thread.
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QUOTE(jchong @ May 3 2009, 11:11 AM)
For viewing distance the general rule is 1.5 - 2.0x the width of the screen. A 42" plasma TV is 36.6" wide, so the viewing distance is between 54.9" - 73.2". A 50" plasma is 43.6" wide so you can work out the distance.

Legend has got competitive prices. You can also try some of our forummers here like htkaki. See his sig for his sales thread.
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Hi, thanks for the quick feedback. Will definitely check out htkaki's sales thread and PM him later. Thanks again guys, appreciate it.
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tumpang to ask something here
anyone got try the SDR26 ? the video quality is so terrible la.. sad.gif
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@zhengyang89, it's a low range camcorder, so can't expect much on the performance, but good thing is small enuff to bring around for any event/happening

@termite9, nice price u got there. normally with 2-yr extended warranty need to top up how much?
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QUOTE(polarmint @ May 3 2009, 02:36 AM)
Hi Guys and Sifus,

I'm a newbie in lowyat.net and have been following this forum with keen interest. I'm considering to get this latest Panasonic plasma but not sure what size will be suitable for my living room. Viewing distance approximately 8 to 9 ft. Hoping that sifus here can help me out.

Also, where can I get the best deals for both the 42" and the 50"? Went to Legend yesterday and their best price is RM3500 cash for the 42" and RM5500 cash for the 50". Tried to bargain but they wouldn't budge. I guess they have limited units left in stock.
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The distance n size is based on your personal taste.. just stand 8-9feet from the 50inch demo tv n play it with some action movies and see if u like it or not... sitting too close might make u wanna vomit.. i have not tried a 50inch.. but i did try sitting too close to a big projector screen n i nearly vomited .. anyway for 720p it is recommend to sit at least 1.5 times the width and 1.2 times the width for 1080p if not pixelation and artifacts will become more visibly intrusive...
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@zhengyang89, it's a low range camcorder, so can't expect much on the performance, but good thing is small enuff to bring around for any event/happening

@termite9, nice price u got there.  normally with 2-yr extended warranty need to top up how much?
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a bit regret to buy the camcorder with the package la doh.gif
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QUOTE(jchong @ May 3 2009, 11:11 AM)
Legend has got competitive prices. You can also try some of our forummers here like htkaki. See his sig for his sales thread.
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I would advise against Legend despite their low pricing.. their customer service really sucks and if you are not lucky, you might get a display / returned set..

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I would advise against Legend despite their low pricing.. their customer service really sucks and if you are not lucky, you might get a display / returned set..
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QFT. Legend is very cunning in their way of doing business. They try to sell me a few appliances which are display unit, and they dare to insist it is brand new somemore. Their SS2 branch is the worst. Do not deal with the tall chinese guy call LIANG, most of the time he jack up the price above RSP then give you a discount from there. doh.gif
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Help Needed..!!
I just bought TH-P42X10K 2 days ago... really love the color... but it seems that the sound (or speaker) like having some problem...

If I increased the volume to 20+ the speaker macam sound "burrr...buurrr...burrr" ractling. Let it be in TV or video mode. The sound setting I put is....

Mode = music
bass = 5
Tri = 4
Surround = v-audio surround

Anybody facing the same issue... any suggestion

Please help...

Thanks!

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Set ur bass and treble to 0 and try again.
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Set ur bass and treble to 0 and try again.
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Then....what should I do... increase bit by bit...??
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QFT. Legend is very cunning in their way of doing business. They try to sell me a few appliances which are display unit, and they dare to insist it is brand new somemore. Their SS2 branch is the worst. Do not deal with the tall chinese guy call LIANG, most of the time he jack up the price above RSP then give you a discount from there. doh.gif
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Thanks for the advice.

I wonder if Liang works differently nowadays. Last week I happen to pop by Legend SS2 and was served by Liang. I asked about some prices for plasma/lcd tv and he gave me his card with a handwritten price list attached already. The prices stated in the list was quite competitive.

Anyway, I'm still leery about the place if the after sales service is poor and them claiming display/returned units as new.
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U try set to 0 and see if it continues rattling. If it does then something wrong with the tv. If it doesn't then u start increasing 1 by 1 until it rattles then u know the threshold biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(jchong @ May 4 2009, 11:20 AM)
Thanks for the advice.

I wonder if Liang works differently nowadays. Last week I happen to pop by Legend SS2 and was served by Liang. I asked about some prices for plasma/lcd tv and he gave me his card with a handwritten price list attached already. The prices stated in the list was quite competitive.

Anyway, I'm still leery about the place if the after sales service is poor and them claiming display/returned units as new.
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For Plasma/LCD I think their style of quoting prices are the same, my experience is with other appliances, my Hitachi SBS fridge for example. He quoted RM300 above RSP for a RM6.5k fridge, then deduct another RM500 for me. So in the end it is just RM200 cheaper compared to those chainstore, and he even demanded cash term. doh.gif

In the end I bought it from a big build chinese guy called George I think, at RM1000 savings below RSP.
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As I said earlier, I am willing to buy any unwanted S26 vid cam for RM300. PM me. smile.gif
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As I said earlier, I am willing to buy any unwanted S26 vid cam for RM300. PM me. smile.gif
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QUOTE(toytoy @ May 4 2009, 11:21 AM)
U try set to 0 and see if it continues rattling. If it does then something wrong with the tv. If it doesn't then u start increasing 1 by 1 until it rattles then u know the threshold biggrin.gif
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I tried that... It seems that the back casing is rattling if I increased the volume to +25.... I tighten the screws.... still the sound ada but kurang sikit saja... I think it is time to call panasonic. Anyway...toytoy thanks for the advise.

BTW...anybody having the same problem.... please share what do you do...

Thanks!

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QUOTE(dehantu @ May 4 2009, 09:47 PM)
I tried that... It seems that the back casing is rattling if I increased the volume to +25.... I tighten the screws.... still the sound ada but kurang sikit saja... I think it is time to call panasonic. Anyway...toytoy thanks for the advise.

BTW...anybody having the same problem.... please share what do you do...

Thanks!
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I have the same problem as well, but I stop using the internal speaker now.
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QUOTE(kianwee @ May 5 2009, 10:32 AM)
I have the same problem as well, but I stop using the internal speaker now.
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Does it mean...it cannot be fixed? even though you tighten up the screws? is this because of molding issue or what..?

BTW, Panasonic SC came to my house.... tighten up the screws again! Sound still ada! Main2 with the sound menu... still ada...I asked him...anybody else facing the same issue? the answer is YES! For this newly release model. He said the model he attended was 50" one. So how to fix this?? no answer given... sad.gif . He just said...if the sound..rattle louder... call them again! How many time should I call?? mad.gif Haiyaa...!!!

Lastly, he gave me a suggestion.... use Home theater...!!! cry.gif
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the bass has to be below 0 .. start from -4 ...



QUOTE(dehantu @ May 5 2009, 12:41 PM)
Does it mean...it cannot be fixed? even though you tighten up the screws? is this because of molding issue or what..?

BTW, Panasonic SC came to my house.... tighten up the screws again! Sound still ada! Main2 with the sound menu... still ada...I asked him...anybody else facing the same issue? the answer is YES! For this newly release model. He said the model he attended was 50" one. So how to fix this?? no answer given...  sad.gif . He just said...if the sound..rattle louder... call them again! How many time should I call??  mad.gif Haiyaa...!!!

Lastly, he gave me a suggestion.... use Home theater...!!! cry.gif
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QUOTE(dehantu @ May 5 2009, 12:41 PM)
Does it mean...it cannot be fixed? even though you tighten up the screws? is this because of molding issue or what..?

BTW, Panasonic SC came to my house.... tighten up the screws again! Sound still ada! Main2 with the sound menu... still ada...I asked him...anybody else facing the same issue? the answer is YES! For this newly release model. He said the model he attended was 50" one. So how to fix this?? no answer given...  sad.gif . He just said...if the sound..rattle louder... call them again! How many time should I call??  mad.gif Haiyaa...!!!

Lastly, he gave me a suggestion.... use Home theater...!!! cry.gif
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Sounds like it's an issue with the construction of the TV. Housing not inert enough and therefore the speakers cause rattling/resonance.

Maybe you can try to dampen the area around the speaker, stick some kind of foam or other damping material there and see.
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Mine's also give rattling sound if connected to DVD player or my JVC handycam.
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Looks like it is a manufacturing defect.
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I thought I heard this "buzzing" a few days ago, but I've since gone and tried to fiddle with the volume level, leaving bass and treble levels in default settings. No buzz so far...but I guess since I heard it, I guess it will make an appearance sooner or later...hehe.
Normally use external speakers for movies etc, only using internal speakers for Astro programs.
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QUOTE(dehantu @ May 5 2009, 12:41 PM)
Does it mean...it cannot be fixed? even though you tighten up the screws? is this because of molding issue or what..?

BTW, Panasonic SC came to my house.... tighten up the screws again! Sound still ada! Main2 with the sound menu... still ada...I asked him...anybody else facing the same issue? the answer is YES! For this newly release model. He said the model he attended was 50" one. So how to fix this?? no answer given...  sad.gif . He just said...if the sound..rattle louder... call them again! How many time should I call??  mad.gif Haiyaa...!!!

Lastly, he gave me a suggestion.... use Home theater...!!! cry.gif
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i got 2 units of Samsung LA40R81BM lcd ... both also rattling when the volume is turned up to average loudness.. nvr bother to call the seller .. my guess is these slim speakers just look good but unable to handle mid n lower freq

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Time for an excuse for a brand new AVR.
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guys, what is the meaning of this setting, side panel? and also what is the meaning of color management?
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QUOTE(tolorati @ May 5 2009, 08:14 PM)
guys, what is the meaning of this setting, side panel? and also what is the meaning of color management?
thanks in adv!!
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Colour management is supposed to mean a means of moving the colour points (google CIE chart) in a CIE Chart to match standards (also the luminance (brightness) of each colour that is not shown on the CIE chart). However Panasonic's implementation is different. You are given 3-4 choices. Move the slider to the extreme right. That gives the most pleasing combination to the eyes. This should be good for HD sources.
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Btw, the promotion of free SDR-S26 and 4GB SD card will end on 10th May 2009.

New price without freebies of the above for 42X10K will be RM3,699 (RRP), which is a reduction of freaking RM300 only.
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QUOTE(kianwee @ May 5 2009, 03:43 PM)
Looks like it is a manufacturing defect.
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Maybe la.... since all have the same issue... I even checked with my friend who owned TH-42PV80H... it seems that this model no issue.. hmm.gif

QUOTE(podrunner @ May 5 2009, 04:47 PM)
I thought I heard this "buzzing" a few days ago, but I've since gone and tried to fiddle with the volume level, leaving bass and treble levels in default settings. No buzz so far...but I guess since I heard it, I guess it will make an appearance sooner or later...hehe.
Normally use external speakers for movies etc, only using internal speakers for Astro programs.
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I also set as default... BTW...default value giving Bass +4 and tri +4... which caused the rattling even harder! Now I set to ZERO and volume correction to +2... so far under control.

QUOTE(kianwee @ May 5 2009, 05:17 PM)
Time for an excuse for a brand new AVR.
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Anyone do the Burn-In? The D-Nice guide tell to set Picture to Vivid, but X10 doesn't have Vivid setting.
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Anyone do the Burn-In? The D-Nice guide tell to set Picture to Vivid, but X10 doesn't have Vivid setting.
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Pls do not use the word "burn-in", it is taboo for a plasma display. The correct term is break in. The main reason is to age the phospors evenly. You can use any mode if you still want to as long as you use the full screen colour images. I will try to contact D-Nice to see how I can derive localized settings of the break in. I believe you can use maybe Standard mode and turn the contrast up close to what the vivid setting was at. This is my assumption, I have used the break in disc before and it serves to age phospors evenly past its infancy stage.
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Oh yeah... break-in... sorry for that.


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QUOTE(Jemi @ May 6 2009, 09:12 AM)
Anyone do the Burn-In? The D-Nice guide tell to set Picture to Vivid, but X10 doesn't have Vivid setting.
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vivid on x1 = dynamic for x10...?
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already 60 hours of break-in
and i already can see the difference ..
colours on astro are popping out (even at all settings still at 50) .. nice rclxms.gif
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Wow... that's good news to hear.

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For new plasma already over 100hours, does the break-in dvd still workable?
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For new plasma already over 100hours, does the break-in dvd still workable?
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Hi... when you said break in 100hrs... means... continue on for 100hrs is it? or on and off? How can I check the hours?
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Hi... when you said break in 100hrs... means... continue on for 100hrs is it? or on and off? How can I check the hours?
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I believe the break in 100 hours is calculated by your own..

On and off i'm not sure but if you choose to on and off just be aware of your plasma aspect ratio set to 16:9 and lowest contrast & brightness before your plasma reach 100hours break in.

My plasma is approx 200hrs w/o break in, so i m asking whether my plasma still nid to run the break in?
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QUOTE(clautee @ May 6 2009, 12:54 PM)
I believe the break in 100 hours is calculated by your own..

On and off i'm not sure but if you choose to on and off just be aware of your plasma aspect ratio set to 16:9 and lowest contrast & brightness before your plasma reach 100hours break in.

My plasma is approx 200hrs w/o break in, so i m asking whether my plasma still nid to run the break in?
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ON and OFF....means normal watch.... got problem also like this?
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Hi All, who ever interested in this Flexible Wall mount for Plasma and LCD TV up to 42", please contact me. Find out the details in my post thanks.
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QUOTE(kianwee @ May 4 2009, 04:15 PM)
Nobody's ever gonna let go at that price dude... so you can stop trying.
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RM300 for a new SDR-S26, this must be a joke. if we stop by a panasonic shop and saw a 50% off the RM1299, we probably will think about buying it.


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ON and OFF....means normal watch.... got problem also like this?
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yes, can anyone advise whether >200 hours can still do the break in? mine just reach 200 hrs.

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So where can i get the cheapest 42X10K in KL? I saw a mobile Panasonic roadshow at Setapak near Kenny Rogers but didn't bother to enquire. I'm sure somewhere can get cheaper than RM3699.
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can anyone tell me the latest price of p50x10 (not rsp )??

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Now running Break-In procedure. My question is, if I run JPEG as slideshow, what is the best interval to set? now i set to 10 second?
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can anyone tell me the latest price of p50x10 (not rsp )??
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I think it is about RM4600 to RM4800
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QUOTE(Jemi @ May 9 2009, 07:21 PM)
Now running Break-In procedure. My question is, if I run JPEG as slideshow, what is the best interval to set? now i set to 10 second?
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i put 30s for run-in
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OK, i'll change to 30s
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hi all, do u extend your set warranty or is there any warranty extension given by panasonic? how much is it and what is the period? thks~
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I doubt Pana has warranty extension but if you want it go and buy from Best Denki or Harvey Norman, usually they will throw the 5 year warranty free. I find both the places, if you bargain well, can be as cheap as chinaman shop
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QUOTE(sotong168 @ May 10 2009, 09:39 AM)
hi all, do u extend your set warranty or is there any warranty extension given by panasonic?  how much is it and what is the period?  thks~
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No, Panasonic as well as other established manufacturers will not provide extended warranty for a fee. Usually, it is the warranty that it stated by them only. No such thing as 3+2 years warranty.

Then again, the extended warranty is sort of 'insurance' coverage for your tv. ALWAYS read the fine print before signing for it.
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thks htkaki~ so this x10's official warranty is 3-yr; if i'm not mistaken i did see a buyer mentioned he get 5-yr warranty for the set, is that mean the additional "2-yr warranty" is covered by the shop rather frm panasonic? thks~
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QUOTE(sotong168 @ May 10 2009, 03:17 PM)
thks htkaki~ so this x10's official warranty is 3-yr; if i'm not mistaken i did see a buyer mentioned he get 5-yr warranty for the set, is that mean the additional "2-yr warranty" is covered by the shop rather frm panasonic?  thks~
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bro i think last time i saw pv80 5 years warranty on pana website those are from pana.. if the 2 years are from chinaman shop then i will be worried.. but if from harvey norman i think nothing to be worried abt
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QUOTE(mys_terious @ May 10 2009, 03:58 PM)
bro i think last time i saw pv80 5 years warranty  on pana website those are from pana.. if the 2 years are from chinaman shop then i will be worried.. but if from harvey norman i think nothing to be worried abt
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yup, previous model with 5-yr and the latest one only with 3-yr unsure.gif
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3 yrs is more than enough for me. After 3 yrs gonna change the plasma again. biggrin.gif
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3 yrs is more than enough for me. After 3 yrs gonna change the plasma again. biggrin.gif
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true. 3 years is more than enough. If a product can last more than 3 years, its likely to pass 5 years without any problems. Furthermore, in 3 years time, the 42 inch might even be below RM1000, so just buy a new one. No point spending extra on additional warraty. Remember, 42 inch used to be well over RM10k just a few years ago, now, its only RM2880
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@kianwee & michaeltan1943, yup, i got your point

btw, anyone can tell me the exact spec of a clip (avchd/mpeg-2) for x10 to playback, or anyone got sample clip for me to check? thks~
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received reply about extended warranty inquiry; seems like the option is available? anyhow, will get back to the shop.

Quoted:
Dear Sir / Madam,

Greetings from Panasonic Malaysia!

We thank you for your support on our Panasonic Product.

Pertaining to your optional extended warranty enquiry, kindly refer to the dealer from whom you purchase the Plasma TV for details. Thank you.


Best Regards,
Hxx Pxx Lxx
Customer Care Centre
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Tel:+603-5543 7600 /Fax:+603-5549 5606


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How is the Astro quality on TH-P50X10K ??? Bad???
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htkaki,

Do you do wall mounting of flat screen TV too? If yes, can give indicative quote?

Mine is a new house in PJ. Will need to install TV aerial too. Can include, how much?

I'm incline to LCD TV. Was told that it runs cooler and consume about 40% less electricity versus plasma. Would appreciate your views on this, especially whether this is true.

Will PM you later for a quote once HM decides on a particular model,

Meanwhile, cheers!



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QUOTE(goBetong @ May 11 2009, 09:36 PM)
htkaki,

Do you do wall mounting of flat screen TV too? If yes, can give indicative quote?

Mine is a new house in PJ. Will need to install TV aerial too. Can include, how much?

I'm incline to LCD TV. Was told that it runs cooler and consume about 40% less electricity versus plasma. Would appreciate your views on this, especially whether this is true.

Will PM you later for a quote once HM decides on a particular model,

Meanwhile, cheers!
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Yes, generally plasma tv has a higher power consumption than LCD TV.

For instance, 42X10K consumes 100W more than 42LZ80MK. LCD TV also runs hot.

We do install tv mount. As for the tv aerial, is it same as those antenna that we had on our roof?

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guys, anyone here got use the break in image from avs forum ar? what are your methods of using it.
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guys, anyone here got use the break in image from avs forum ar? what are your methods of using it.
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Just run it loop before you sleep, put in a SD card.

I ran mine 8 hours per day, break in completed in 10 days.
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I'm using 42X10K with Pioneer DV-410K(with 1080p upscaling). I found out If I select 1080p output, the picture abit soft compare with if I choose 720p scaling.
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Picture from P50x10K..
already break-in for 130 hours.. already modify offsets..
however number setting still cannot match american 50x1 set ...
so have to do own settings...
camera pictures didn't come out nice, need to find angle to take so that it will show the beauty of this panel


using dvico 6500a 1080p feed straight to the plasma set.. letting the g12 panel to modify the 1080p feed...


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kian wee bro, you ran the loop on what picture settings?
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kian wee bro, you ran the loop on what picture settings?
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Default normal profile, but decrease contrast from 60 to 50. Brightness at 0.

After proper break-in and tuning, you'll definitely see some difference.

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how much is the 50 inch TH-P50X?
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Default normal profile, but decrease contrast from 60 to 50. Brightness at 0.

After proper break-in and tuning, you'll definitely see some difference.
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Eh.. i thought Contrast: 100, Brightness: 55.
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Eh.. i thought  Contrast: 100, Brightness: 55.
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I set that during the first few 30 hours of break in. Then i decrease the contrast cause I feel the display is getting a bit hot at 100.
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taukeh kianwee now panny plasma spokeman biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kianwee @ May 12 2009, 08:23 PM)
I set that during the first few 30 hours of break in. Then i decrease the contrast cause I feel the display is getting a bit hot at 100.
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post May 13 2009, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(kianwee @ May 13 2009, 01:12 AM)
Dun pijit la taikor sad.gif

Small fry nie.... not like those pj kaki.  notworthy.gif
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post May 14 2009, 07:07 AM

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How is LG PQ30 Plasma compare to Pana X10 in term of PQ, Colour and Motion? Both about the same price and come with 3 yrs warranty. I think that Pana X10 motion is not that smooth.
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QUOTE(Jemi @ May 12 2009, 09:14 AM)
I'm using 42X10K with Pioneer DV-410K(with 1080p upscaling). I found out If I select 1080p output, the picture abit soft compare with if I choose 720p scaling.
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Just my guess, by upscaling to 1080p, you actually have the DVD player to upscale once, and later the TV to downscale to 720p to fit its native resolution, so there are 2 processes involved, and it could be that the TV's processor causes the picture to be a bit soft.

By selecting 720p, you only need your DVD player to upscale the source to 720p, and since this is the native resolution of your TV, the TV doesn't has to do any downscaling anymore.

Any sifu out there care to clarify this matter?
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QUOTE(slk5538 @ May 14 2009, 07:55 AM)
Just my guess, by upscaling to 1080p, you actually have the DVD player to upscale once, and later the TV to downscale to 720p to fit its native resolution, so there are 2 processes involved, and it could be that the TV's processor causes the picture to be a bit soft.

By selecting 720p, you only need your DVD player to upscale the source to 720p, and since this is the native resolution of your TV, the TV doesn't has to do any downscaling anymore.

Any sifu out there care to clarify this matter?
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Actually, even outputting at 720p would require one more scaling by the display. This is because the resolution of the display is 768p. Thats why it is best to output at 4800/576p to the display if u want to reduce the scaling times. Another alternative would be to output BluRay at 1080p/24 so it scales only once. There is one thing to remember, based on tests and observations the new X10 series does not deinterlace too well. It is better to send a progressive signal to it, hence a 480p/576p from the DVD player.

I believe some display do a better job at downscaling vs upscaling and that could be the reason why 720p might be better if you want the display to upscale.

Anyway, trust ur eyes. If 720p looks better than go for it. Just try 480p/576p from the Pio DVD player and see if that looks even better.


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hi.. i am planning to get TH-P42X10K this weekend together with dvd hifi. any suggestion for dvd hifi? budget is within Rm1500.. also any recommended shop in seremban?
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QUOTE(danee @ May 14 2009, 03:22 PM)
hi.. i am planning to get TH-P42X10K this weekend together with dvd hifi. any suggestion for dvd hifi? budget is within Rm1500.. also any recommended shop in seremban?
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ May 14 2009, 08:03 AM)
Actually, even outputting at 720p would require one more scaling by the display. This is because the resolution of the display is 768p. Thats why it is best to output at 4800/576p to the display if u want to reduce the scaling times. Another alternative would be to output BluRay at 1080p/24 so it scales only once. There is one thing to remember, based on tests and observations the new X10 series does not deinterlace too well. It is better to send a progressive signal to it, hence a 480p/576p from the DVD player.

I believe some display do a better job at downscaling vs upscaling and that could be the reason why 720p might be better if you want the display to upscale.

Anyway, trust ur eyes. If 720p looks better than go for it. Just try 480p/576p from the Pio DVD player and see if that looks even better.
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how is the astro performance on TH-P50X10K ?
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just setup my 42x10 this afternoon. Input is pioneer dv610. set at 1080p.

Pic quality is superb already without tweaking. just want to run in for first 100 hour before start tweaking.

I dont regret getting panasonic plasma.



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