Today is the saddest day in my life and it si not because we have different opinions on matter concerning 1GP cos what I believe is only if we don't compromised, we will never have a GP that satisfied everyone but I am sad by the remarks made by Ben on the matter concerning of dead chicks and broken eggs are good for the increment of birds.

1. HK is a Muslim but for all Buddhist, I know that if we allow the thief to kill the chicks and destroyed the eggs, we are no better than the thief himself. HK  speak the truth cos by killing the chicks and destroying the eggs, it may increase the birds in the BH temporary but it may shorten our life or are we destine to go to hell............by Buddha teaching if I am correct but I am not a expert in Buddha's teaching or Buddhism.

2. By not killing any chicks or eggs destroyed, I too, have huge increment  of nests........ If the thieve come every 2 months, you will or you think that you are smarter and remove all nests in 45 days and leaving nothing for the thieves. How clever you are or you think that you are; in a few years time, you will slowly notice growth of your BH is not as efficient as your neighbor who harvest 3 times a year.
3. This is proven fact as my neighbor's removed all nests due to constant harassment by the thieves and now his 5th. years BH is about 1 K nests and my 3rd. years BH has over 2K nests. F**K so called HK if he think that he know all about swiftlets preservation and management.
4. We all know that by playing distress sound of chicks will bring in alot of curious swiftlets and so will that of rats. By virtual of of that, dying chicks and smell of broken eggs will also bring in swiftlets as in some animals. That's why many of what we get from swiftlets perfume are derived from it.
5. That's what I can offer for the time being as I believe many in the trade are now for the money only and care nothing for the swiftlets and if by killing a swiftlet will bring them cash, many here will.

HK! please remember that swiftlets are also birds of Allah and unlike goats and chicken, they are not for meant for dinner table and even goats, you must recite the verses.......

With that, I beg you all farewell and may all my wrongs be forgiven.

Today is the saddest day in my life and it si not because we have different opinions on matter concerning 1GP cos what I believe is only if we don't compromised, we will never have a GP that satisfied everyone but I am sad by the remarks made by Ben on the matter concerning of dead chicks and broken eggs are good for the increment of birds.

1. HK is a Muslim but for all Buddhist, I know that if we allow the thief to kill the chicks and destroyed the eggs, we are no better than the thief himself. HK  speak the truth cos by killing the chicks and destroying the eggs, it may increase the birds in the BH temporary but it may shorten our life or are we destine to go to hell............by Buddha teaching if I am correct but I am not a expert in Buddha's teaching or Buddhism.

2. By not killing any chicks or eggs destroyed, I too, have huge increment  of nests........ If the thieve come every 2 months, you will or you think that you are smarter and remove all nests in 45 days and leaving nothing for the thieves. How clever you are or you think that you are; in a few years time, you will slowly notice growth of your BH is not as efficient as your neighbor who harvest 3 times a year.
3. This is proven fact as my neighbor's removed all nests due to constant harassment by the thieves and now his 5th. years BH is about 1 K nests and my 3rd. years BH has over 2K nests. F**K so called HK if he think that he know all about swiftlets preservation and management.
4. We all know that by playing distress sound of chicks will bring in alot of curious swiftlets and so will that of rats. By virtual of of that, dying chicks and smell of broken eggs will also bring in swiftlets as in some animals. That's why many of what we get from swiftlets perfume are derived from it.
5. That's what I can offer for the time being as I believe many in the trade are now for the money only and care nothing for the swiftlets and if by killing a swiftlet will bring them cash, many here will.

HK! please remember that swiftlets are also birds of Allah and unlike goats and chicken, they are not for meant for dinner table and even goats, you must recite the verses.......

With that, I beg you all farewell and may all my wrongs be forgiven.

Today is the saddest day in my life and it si not because we have different opinions on matter concerning 1GP cos what I believe is only if we don't compromised, we will never have a GP that satisfied everyone but I am sad by the remarks made by Ben on the matter concerning of dead chicks and broken eggs are good for the increment of birds.

1. HK is a Muslim but for all Buddhist, I know that if we allow the thief to kill the chicks and destroyed the eggs, we are no better than the thief himself. HK  speak the truth cos by killing the chicks and destroying the eggs, it may increase the birds in the BH temporary but it may shorten our life or are we destine to go to hell............by Buddha teaching if I am correct but I am not a expert in Buddha's teaching or Buddhism.

2. By not killing any chicks or eggs destroyed, I too, have huge increment  of nests........ If the thieve come every 2 months, you will or you think that you are smarter and remove all nests in 45 days and leaving nothing for the thieves. How clever you are or you think that you are; in a few years time, you will slowly notice growth of your BH is not as efficient as your neighbor who harvest 3 times a year.
3. This is proven fact as my neighbor's removed all nests due to constant harassment by the thieves and now his 5th. years BH is about 1 K nests and my 3rd. years BH has over 2K nests. F**K so called HK if he think that he know all about swiftlets preservation and management.
4. We all know that by playing distress sound of chicks will bring in alot of curious swiftlets and so will that of rats. By virtual of of that, dying chicks and smell of broken eggs will also bring in swiftlets as in some animals. That's why many of what we get from swiftlets perfume are derived from it.
5. That's what I can offer for the time being as I believe many in the trade are now for the money only and care nothing for the swiftlets and if by killing a swiftlet will bring them cash, many here will.

HK! please remember that swiftlets are also birds of Allah and unlike goats and chicken, they are not for meant for dinner table and even goats, you must recite the verses.......

With that, I beg you all farewell and may all my wrongs be forgiven.

When one person makes suggestions or posts ideas that a certain action will increase their harvest, MANY PEOPLE WILL, regardless of religion, belief, ethics etc. be tempted to try it out! Be reminded that many read this forum but do not post.

I am sure by now, many people are contemplating this repulsive action.

Anonymous forumers are here to gain knowledge on how to start or improve their involvement in the EBN industry.

Most animals have a natural instinct to preserve and propogate their species. Under breeding stress, as when they have their nests removed, chicks killed(naturally or otherwise) or eggs stolen or infertile, the instinct will be to build or reproduce as quickly as possible. This may also bring upon the earlier sexual maturity of otherwise immature young. So in effect there may be a sudden increase in nests.

Remove nests too often in a BH and the birds may also conclude that this place is not good to live in !

This increase in nests may not be because of the increase of population in the BH. In fact the contrary may be the case when baby birds are left crying before dying. The message is clear from the crying that this place is dangerous! Switch off your sound and you'll see how loud these birds are.

A natural balance of smell from bird droppings, naturally dead birds, broken eggs etc. makes the house seem natural to newcomers but increase the ammonia, Hydrogen sulphide and methane in the BH and it becomes dangerous and unbearable to the residents.  This is especially so with low ceilings in houses when compared to caves.

The killing of nestlings and the destruction of eggs is absolutely unnecessary and in fact may be detrimental in the long run for you BH.

visited me BH yesterday and saw 2 dead birds. one in the pool another below the nest. sigh......

no fault of mine!

http://noswiftlethousesingeorgetown.blogspot.com/

I read the blog above and  it is indeed a anti swiftlet farm in the Penang Townhouse.

the propaganda made by the writer is to instill fear in the public who lacks the knowledge in this industry. I guess this blog writer doesnt care about the macro economic aspect of the livinghood of others. Many investors had been able to support their children education and also pour out to charity due to the farming of bird house.

when i read how negatives and fact twisting about swiftlet shit and how contageous of bird flu disease , i wonder where he got his information from ? WHO?

This guy will probably be shoot on the head in Mainland China if he don't know what he is talking about.

and the writer intention to group all swiftlet farmers in a rotten apple basket is a crime to me. he should also give pro active and proper solutions to the public of how the good one manage. In fact, there are more good farmers now as compare to last time i believe.

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Added on March 24, 2010, 10:49 amby the way, the blogger has no identity and afraid to come out publicly. only gives a wild email address name.

There are always 2 sides to a coin.

All human residents have their respective rights so we should respect theirs too. Remember, swiftlet farmers are a minority !

As for diseases, even though H1N1 has not been found in A. Fuciphagus, it does not conclusively prove that there will not be an incident are that there has never been an incident gone undetected.  The fact that these birds are not living in or around pools of water as in ducks, geese etc. from known research,  lessens the chances of them transmitting H1N1

Note that none of the swiftlet farmers/associations have been constructive in finding a solution that will be acceptable to everyone.

Heritage once lost cannot be recovered. Heritage Architecture destroyed can never be restored and that loss will be a loss to mankind forever.

Given the way some swiftlet farmers have acted in the past, would anyone dare openly criticise swiftlet farmers without fear of painful repercussions ?

again the writer is based on his personal opinion and although precaution is better than cure but these days even any animals in the farm whether it's in the most stringent or best protocols implemented may be bound to any diseases. and the carrier of H1N1 is human and we should be more afraid of the carrier than birds.

the blog writer than should be instead looking at the beauty of birds flocking into the heritage building and shoot a nice photo to UNESCO about how nature and heritage building blends in.

Indeed Colonial buidings are nice but only a few penangite really appreciate the heritage. majority does not bother as its expensive to reconstruct. Even the NGO is running out of fund and begging for more money to save the heritage buildind. Some of the  buildings already gone and change into Food Court because NGO did not get lots of fund from the public. the mechanism is slow... now dont worry about the swiftlet, the writter must have a lot of thing in his mind map.

Who knows, swiftlet business will help the NGO to save more heritage building since each house saved will cost more than a million. Think about it.

My friend's BH has been broken into more than 5 times in 8 years. Each time, the BH suffered heavy losses and the growth rate decreased.

I did asked him specifically if after each break, the nests increased a lot or not because I was also told by some people that theft IS good for BH.