Dear Seeseng,
Thanks for continuing in V2. To all contributors, salute!

Dear Tiroks,
So sorry to have offended you and my profound apology. It is a sad story for many people but obviously, everyone has their own yardstick. I also mentioned that there is a lot of room for improvement but if you are happy, then who can argue with that? Given time, the population will increase, just a matter of time.

Engineer Lee & the rest of the gang, A FABULOUS job. With the growing numbers in active participation, surely the difficulties can be overcome together.

Sometimes we don't intend to hurt others through our writings but if we do, then to apologize IS the correct thing to do.

Yes, I do look forward to less SHOUTING in V2.

Please do not bring RELIGION into this forum.

Let us talk about Swiftlet subjects only.

Who says cannot relocate the birds?

In Sarawak, the government and their related agencies successfully relocated the Niah Cave's Swiftlets to Mulu Caves since 50 yrs ago. It was only in the last 10+ yrs the private sector relocated even more from the other caves to city bird houses.

The drop in bird population in Niah Caves & other caves is not due to over harvesting. The wild life department has done a splendid job in protection & conservation. White hair and his gang just want us (town BHs) to adopt their methods & relocate to their eco parks.

You guys really believe what I wrote about relocation from Niah Caves to Mulu Caves?

I am speechless!

Ben Chai,

This got to be the best story I have read in a long time. Actually I am also into another project... a top secret one but I can't give the full details, just some tips.

My group has successfully inserted the nest-building genes of a special type of swiftlet into AF. By cross breeding and gene therapy, we have produced nests that weigh an incredible 35 grams each on average.

Imagine the size grass nest of the swallows that build above the 5ft way of many old shops.

My group consists of a research scientist at MIT, a zoologist at Imperial College London and an associate professor at UPM Malaysia and I am the project leader.

That's all I am willing to say on this special subject.

This post has been edited by coolandy: Apr 1 2009, 09:23 PM

The BN government is full of BROKEN promises.

If BN can do, I am sure others can too!

Just my 2 sen.

Ayam & swiftlets should not be mixed together. Ayam or Itik can get bird flu, then chances spreading to swiftlets higher from human contact.

Just my dua sen opinion.

Dear Mr Wong,

Welcome on-board. You posted such a long list that it is almost impossible for anybody to provide a good reply.

Go through this forum from the very beginning of V1 and many of your questions will be answered. It will be hard work but you will come out a better-informed person.

After that maybe you can narrow down your list.

Good luck.

This post has been edited by coolandy: Jun 7 2009, 07:36 PM

If you really understand AF flying path, then you DO NOT have to change entrance. Get it right once an for all.

If a consultant has to change entrances a few times, then he is still NOT an expert yet. I have seen many using Indonesian Java island type entrance in Northern Malaysia and the results are not very encouraging. Each latitude has a certain flight preference.

AF hosting is really a science and if you get it right, the birds will come. It is not a game of chance.

Been there, done that, a couple of times.

Just my 2 sen and humble opinion.

This post has been edited by coolandy: Jul 4 2009, 07:57 PM

AFs migrating?

What West Wing posted about adult birds shoosing a more peaceful place to stay is absolutely correct. There is nothing to hide about this fact. Let us be transparent about this issue.

But to move BH lock, stock and barrel is something else. That's what the eco-park promoters have been misleading anybody that cares to listen. They have hidden agendas.

Here at Lowyat forum, we are proud to remain above board. The contributions of the sifus are priceless.

Cheers.

autopilot,

Pardon me, are you the author of the book promoted at www.swiftletguide.com?

If you are, please specify that the price is in USD or why not quote in RM?

cheers,

This post has been edited by coolandy: Jul 20 2009, 02:44 PM

Out of curiosity I bought this book this afternoon.

Sorry to say that it is a very basic book and definitely a big let down for me. All together 103 pages of which the first 20 pages is like introduction. The last 23 pages were mostly photos. In between, almost everything gets a brief mention and if you expect any detailed explanation you will be disappointed. No references were quoted.

If you start from zero, this book will be of help. If you are an avid follower of this forum, this book will not add much to your knowledge base

Since autopilot made a comparison with Dr Lim's book, please allow me to say that Dr Lim's book is a lot more useful to a newbie on a whole. Pak Hen's book is on a slightly higher level leaning more towards problem-solving.

For the author to make claims as per advertised, I think he has to spend more effort in providing more in-depth knowledge.

The final question would be: Is it worth the USD20.00 price?

YES, if you are totally ignorant and would be too lazy to read this forum from thread 1.

If my comments above hurt anybody especially the author, please pardon me.

West Wing,

Most of the books available in the market are geared towards marketing. Dr Lim's book touch on some basic technical aspects. There are some indon books which provide more technical details but unless you understand the indon language, you won't gain much from it. The terms used are very different from our Malay language.

To-date, I have never come across a book that explain swiftlet farming in a thorough scientific way. Maybe not enough scientist doing research. The only scientific literature published are done by the orang putih.

Has anybody explained why the birds prefer to fly in a certain way? Do AFs really drink water from lakes/rivers? Sure it is not another species?

WW, you are most welcome to borrow my books :-).

Even mating in the air has been reported in many blogs. However, the pics are that of a different species.

I have spent hours watching AFs & their similar -looking friends flying above water but not once did I see AF touched the water. The ones that I saw touched the water were of a different species.

Are there any more wrong facts being spread about AFs?

You bet!

Sifu seeseng,

Thanks for the link.

The video shows birds touching the water all right. However, my question is are they AFs? The way they fly don't seem to be AFs to me. I could be wrong.

Sometimes there are also a lot of grass nest flying together with AFs on top of my BH. Can tell from their flying patterns and the different sound calls they make. In Sarawak, it is even more difficult because there are species with very similar patterns and calls similar to AFs. Very difficult for us to distinguish.

Taxonomy of the aerodramus and collocallia family is one hell of a tough subject. Many a time, I have been surprised by some behaviour observed and attributed to AFs but later found out on closer observation that the birds are of a different species.

Any well-to-do farmers willing to sponsor some research?

autopilot,

I have to agree with you about the above. It requires a lot of effort to go through V1 to V2. Hence the book will save you a lot of time. After all, time IS money and from that aspect, US20 is very cheap indeed.

Bro Lucas 1,

My best wishes in capturing the swiftlets mating in the sky. I look forward to it earnestly, so when you do have it on camera, do not forget me lah

for LUCAS 1

A good story.

Wow, I think Najib should look into this for the whole of Malaysia. Even PETRONAS cannot generate this kind of profit. Not sure about AH LONG.

Look at the keywords....RM1000 per month, 50 years, SPILLOVER........and the best of all......THIS IS NOT A SCAM

Waalaikum salam, Carta itu menunjukkan fakta pendapatan dari sebuah Rumah Burung Walit milik Aeroswift sendiri Bersaiz 20′X60′X2 tingkat dengan kaedah konvesional. Begitulah pendapatan yang diperolehi oleh pengusaha burung walit untuk sebuah rumah burung walit. Kurang 4 tahun dah balik modal, kemudian setiap bulan boleh memperolehi pendapatan RM 66,000++ Sebulan.

Kita tak perlu untuk memiliki sebuah Rumah Burung walit yang menelan ratusan ribu, tetapi mampu memiliki sebahagian dengan menyertai projek berkelompok ini dengan modal minima RM 3,590 (1%). Sekiranya 1% penyertaan, anggaplah sebulan hasil tuaian sarang burung berjumlah RM 60,000. dan sekiranya dalam tempoh 30 tahun pertama. Peserta akan memperolehi sebanyak 0.01 x 0.8 x 60,000 = RM 480. Sekiranya peserta ada 2%,maka pendapatannya = RM 960.0,Sekiranya ada 5%,pendapatannya = RM 2,400.

Dan Saiz rumah burung untuk projek usahasama ini lebih besar iaitu 20′x60′x3.5 tingkat. Ditambah lagi menggunakan teknologi terkini yang akan menghasilkan sarang burung yang lebih berat dan tuaian akan dapat dibuat lebih awal.

Jadi berapakah pendapatan yang akan diperolehi, saudara boleh bayangkan sendiri.Pendapatan juga bergantung kepada berat sarang burung yang diperolehi, gred sarang dan juga harga pasaran sarang burung semasa. Ini adalah investment jangka panjang yang amat menguntungkan.

terima kasih kerana beri komen. Fikir fikirkanlah, kenapa ramai tuan punya rumah kedai sanggup convert rumah kedai samada yang lama atau baru menjadi rumah burung walaupun kos pengubahsuaain yang menelan puluhan ribu, kenapa begitu ramai yang berlumba2 membina rumah burung yang besar. Kerajaan juga mengakui akan potensi industri ini malah menggalakan semua lapisan masyarakat supaya menceburinya untuk meningkatkan ekonomi…

tepuk dada tanya hati.. adakah kita sebagai orang islam tak terpanggil untuk bersaing dengan bangsa lain. Bukankah kita telah di ajar 90% rezeki berpunca dari perniagaan…

adakah kita cuma menjadi penonton sedangkan bangsa asing telah menikmati sejak berpuluh tahun. Masih tidak yakin.. Cuba fikir-fikirkan kenapa AEROSWIFT susah2 menganjurkan projek berkelompok? tidak lain untuk memberi peluang kepada golongan yang tidak mampu memiliki sebiji Rumah WALIT. Tetapi masih ada peluang untuk menikmati hasil dari burung walit. REZEKI YANG ALLAH KURNIAKAN.

terima kasih.

Saya mengalu-alukan apa2 respon dari para pengunjung blog ini.

http://www.kamalswift.com/blog/

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West Wing,

Above is really good. I want to investlah in one unit, 100% costs only as per below:

"Berkuat kuasa pada hari ini 7 / 7 / 2009, Pihak Pengurusan AEROSWIFT CONSULTANCY SDN BHD mengumumkan Harga Rumah burung yang baru iaitu RM 382,380 (termasuk harga pajak tanah untuk seunit rumah selama 99 tahun berharga RM 25,000)."


So with an initial investment of RM382,380 per unit, we can recoup it in 4 years and after that RM66,000 + per month . Looks like I will need to stop sending my children to University because it costs a lot of money to put each kid through college and after they graduate, they draw a paltry monthly salary. This one gives a fantastic return.

What do you think my friend. I am tired having to struggle for so many years. Here is the opportunity I should not miss. Would you recommend if I buy 5 units? I am not a Malay or muslim, so will that hinder me in any way?

Looks like investing in ECO-Parks is the way to go.....err, go where????

WW, thanks you in advance. At the same time, I would appreciate advice from out experienced sifus.

This post has been edited by coolandy: Jul 29 2009, 06:25 PM