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tan2020
post Jul 17 2009, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(Engineer Lee @ Jul 16 2009, 11:30 PM)
Dear Brother WW:

It's me again here.

How I wish that I can have a teacher/sifu like you, a true "贵人" like you.

I don't think there is an English word for "贵人".

Well, "贵人" is someone who offers to help us unconditionally when we are in deep trouble.

I always like to think that if there is a "贵人" be there to help us, it is easier and faster for us to achieve the dream of building a successful BH, as we would not need to beat around the bush and especially be exposed to the risk of being conned by the conman.

Who are our "贵人" and how to find "贵人" ?

It all boils down to one thing: when the "贵人" turns up, are we ready to welcome him/her? Or put it in another way, is it worth for the "贵人" to offer something to you?

As such, we need to observe and think, think and observe..Just like the bird, observe, judge and think before making decision to stay in your BH and confirm that your BH is a "贵屋".

It is most important that we should make ourselves well-prepared to meet the "贵人".

Be sincere, honest and humble I believe we will be able to find him/her soon...

Good luck!
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"贵人" can be anybody .. i.e. teachers, friends (Male or Female), in forum we have WW, E Lee, CK, DLim.. etc. etc.. Just show/share your sincere with them, you can be a wiser man/women. However, I can guranteed you will never ever learn the secret just by posting in forum here or browsing through the web site. (i.e. my own experiences as newbie 2 years ago). My advices is to attend a GOOD Swiftlets Seminar, meet new friends with the same interest. We are all well educated people, we should knew how to gether the info we need and put into use. smile.gif

How to success?
1. LOCATION
2. GOOD DESIGN
3. GOOD SOUND
4. GOOD AROMA biggrin.gif

What seminar is the best! .. find the seminar far away from your place. tongue.gif I just find out you can easily share with friends far away from you, but not nearby friends. rclxub.gif ha ha AM I RIGHT !

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post Jul 20 2009, 06:48 AM

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QUOTE(bchinlaw @ Jul 19 2009, 11:14 AM)
Any sifus experienced with stainless steel corner, can share the disadvantages? Am using 1" X 6" plank so can i use 5" x 6" for the steel corner? Presently using wood plank but the nests are small and odd shaped.
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.. for beginner you can always try with diffrent material wood, plastic, aluminium and steel. It do no harm to your BH. Among the material -steel is the most stable/durable material.

You can buy a steel plate with the sizes 6' x 8' x 0.4mm at a price of RM170, DIY cut into 5" x 6" you get approx. 152 pcs for the price of RM1.20/pcs. Is it expensive when compare to wood? I bought my wooden corner board for RM 1.50, some even soak in aroma and sold for RM 2.50 per pcs ! Install all of them (mixed), see the results youself. You will never know, maybe your birds like steel plate than wood. smile.gif

Who said we must use Maranti as wooden plank always ? .. other hardwood can do too... go around.. see for yourself ! hmm.gif
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post Jul 20 2009, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(autopilot @ Jul 20 2009, 07:33 AM)
Hi tangsn

the secret is....... get started as soon as you can and then observe and fine tune your birdhouse based on the pecularity of your birdhouse.

The amount of info you get in a forum or blog can be overwhelming and distracting especially for newbies.

A good starting point are places like www.swiftletguide.com Jump start and saves you loads of time if you are a beginner. Also give you confidence. After you have your birdhouse up then take your time to go thru the forums or blogs.

Don't expect the forum members to give detail answers, also they cannot read your mind and know what you want to know. You have to follow the discussions and pick up the "secrets" here and there.
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My experience with buying swiftlet's e-book by Kxxxxx Hxxx years ago on the net with FREE test CD. Tell you I never receive any FREE CD, vmad.gif and the e-books is so simple, not worth buying.

I don't know this www.swiftguild.com. Anyone want to try and review here? hmm.gif
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post Jul 23 2009, 07:05 AM

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QUOTE(VietSwiftlet @ Jul 23 2009, 06:04 AM)
Hi Ben,

I am new to swiftlet and would like to attend some seminar from  Pak. Han and other that you and other Pro-Swiftleters think are worth attend, please provide links to seminars thanks a bunch.
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Seminar Pak Hen in August 2009

Hi VietSwiftlet,

Try to attends this seminar by Pak Hen, I attended his seminar last March 2008 at KT. I grade it "Very GOOD!"

You can meet a lot of Swiftlet's fan there, from different countries, sharing ideas until early morning ! he he notworthy.gif them especially Pak Hen never turn you down to answer your question.
Try to get many question to ask Pak Hen on Swiftlet Farming.

Many of them re-attend the seminar by Pak Hen again & again. WHY? any reasons ?? you think about it !

"Burung belum gila, orang sudah gila" guarantee you can feel the "gila" effects i.e. a lot of funny new ideas. Digest the ideas as much as you can, combine with what you have in mind, I am very sure you will be a step ahead.

Cheer ! biggrin.gif

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post Jul 23 2009, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(cll666 @ Jul 23 2009, 02:03 PM)

Swiftlet Farming is only 123 if you understand the theory behind it.  There is actually no secret in this industry.  Why waste time attending seminar if you don't know the basic knowledge.  Sorry I am not referring to Pak Hen's seminar as I do appreciate his effort after reading his blog.

Learning making Aroma, Amonia etc is only an added advantage to your BH.  They play as an advertisement tool to promote your BH to birds.  However if your BH basic requirement is not there, ie not suitable for birds to stay, and why not you think like a bird, will you stay if you are a bird?

Don't believe in those nosense that good sounds and good aroma helps you to increase your BH population.  They are working (they do attract more birds to come) unless your BH's condition is suitable for bids to stay.
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What WW said is true, be well prepare before attending any seminar.

Swiftlet Farming is only 123 (no secret)? Why go to Seminar? It is just like saying education is just 123, why go to school? ... so to go to school or not, you decide. I made my right move to go to "school" year ago. he he

Now my real experience tell me without good aroma or sounds, your BH growth rate will be SLOW. .. so you know what to do next.

For newbie like me year ago, I can't find good teacher or friends nearby to share. Do you think your "friend(s)" also your competitors want to share the "123 secret" with you? .. this is real life, my cll666! I saw many abang-adik case become enemy ...that is why I advice newbie - find a "school" far away from your place.... again I made my right move. he he just sharing my learning experience here. smile.gif
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post Jul 24 2009, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 23 2009, 10:05 PM)
Maybe that's happened in your area but here, I believe that the more men venturing into the trade, the better for everybody as if we can have a 100 BHs in an area, we will have possible tens of thousands of new birds each year to satisfied everyone. Think positive and in fact I personally advice so many of the town folks to venture into this business and teaching how to do it, showing them photos and infact going out of the way to sell the idea. I am superb sellman convincing many town folks to venture in to  BH industry but without pay that .... so much so that most of the town people now blame me for the increasing properties value in the town.........from Rm300,000 property no taker even after 6 months  to Rm900,000 ready buyer. Even old pre-war building get Rm700,000 which last time was offering Rm150,000.

Developers and contractors are laughing to the bank and so are all properties owners. Small agriculture land selling at Rm8K per acre before can now demand  Rm70K per acre because Birdmen are crazy men...............................................poor farmers are becoming rich overnight and all thanks to the swiftlets. Alot of those complaining about the BHs didn't know that they have already make huge profit from the industry. The very house or land that they have now fetch many times more and only birdmen will buy.................
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Thank WW for sharing the positive impact on swiftlet farming through helping and sharing, I think all/old successful swiftlet farmers have their "hard-time" in learning this lucrative business at their time where not many want to tell. Because of the secretive - a serious -ve conservative altitude form, and many newbie like me(year ago) are facing before even NOW.

-ve altitude are everywhere i.e. Why should I tell you? If I tell you more, all my birds/kung-fu will run away...swiftlet farming is just by luck lah, not luck no birds lah! etc. etc...those who don't want to learn by himself i.e. read book, attend seminar etc. ... this will create a good opportunity for the con_sultant to cari makan! Nowadays getting better, we have real sifu from oversea, willing to share with min. charge, again this sifu facing a serious "copyright" problems,i.e. his books and sounds got pirated, real sifu cannot cari makan - so what next "better don't tell too much lah" .. this will go on and on ....the never ending story.

.... so newbie - don't give up... question and question ... be sincere to your sifu/friend(s) if you find a good 1 - the key to success is just like 123.

think...newbie 1 day you become a successful swiftlet farmer rclxm9.gif , what should you do next???? doh.gif biggrin.gif shakehead.gif
"Burung belum gila, Orang sudah mati" he he time is short, friendship is forever ! smile.gif

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post Jul 24 2009, 06:42 AM

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QUOTE(VietSwiftlet @ Jul 24 2009, 05:53 AM)
tan2020 can you pm me the sifu from oversea that you mention above his books, and contacts if this is for real. I like to give him my 3 bows to be come his students, or this is a joke hehehe.
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Hi VietSwiftlet, the stories is real. see PM. I joined this forum since March 2008, and just be a silent listener (newbie mah), never do posting. smile.gif
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post Jul 27 2009, 07:09 AM

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QUOTE(VietSwiftlet @ Jul 27 2009, 12:11 AM)
I have a newbie question, please feel free to share your thought.
Are the chirping sounds of AF and AM swiftlet any different?
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Good Question ...Ok.. I am using my common sense here related with Cross Fostering. We know Cross fostering is actually defined as you remove those eggs or young chicks from 1 species of the same family nests and replace them with AF eggs or babies. The chirping sounds of the young and AF swiftlet must be similar. Take human, for example. When a baby is born, the crying sound are the same for all human. Mother cannot differentiate whether her baby is black,white or yellow, if she is in total darkness. It is like AF cannot "see" clearly that their young is AF(white) or AM(black). he he

Swiftlet feeding or drinking - from my pond near my BH(have insect like what Lucas mentioned), the swiftlet actually touch on water and fly off, I also took video on this. On the river nearby(no insects), I can see the same act. Feeding or Drinking, we guess. One thing for sure, Swiftlet like to play with water !

Swiftlet make love in the sky fast? 1 sec. I can see on my CCTV by counting, It take appox. 2 sec for then to make love. Double the time. laugh.gif

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post Jul 28 2009, 07:11 AM

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QUOTE(Lucas 1 @ Jul 27 2009, 01:12 PM)

Added on July 27, 2009, 3:11 pmSwiftlet mating
Brother Lucas, If you don't mind, could you please send me a short clip of swiftlet mating in air if you happene...

(Quoted from a PM to me)
Oh my GOD ! ... someone PM me yesterday with title read "Mind to share your video clip of mating" drool.gif I was shocked ! sweat.gif
After reading inside, what he mean our friends Swiftlet mating in the BH. Ha ha

Ok will try to post the video here. he he I hope our best friends don't get angry with me, and sue me to court? he he

Agreed with Lucas ... 4BINI is worse than AH1N1 in Malaysia. biggrin.gif


For those who are afraid of AH1N1, you may want to read this....
Edible bird's nest extract inhibits influenza virus infection. ... you don't easily get flu after consume bird's nest like Bro WW. smile.gif

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post Sep 13 2009, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(DannyMc @ Sep 12 2009, 12:11 AM)
Investment of swiftlet need how much for beginner? my friend is doing this stuff and he invited me. www.swiftletclinic.com

he asked me to loan from bank then he can help me to build 1. Is it that good? i am thinking of the investment in property.
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Dear DannyMc & all Swiftlet Lover,

user posted image

I am the owner of the above video. I conducted the test using Pak Hen's Aroma - 3 week ago and posted my results 20th August 2009 at youtube.com. You can see my orginal test results here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fUokQIdTLU also at Pak Hen's web site http://waletindonesia.blogspot.com/
your friedns at swiftletclinic_com copycat my video and ashamed of him, he editied my video and put his own company on my video.

Can we trust a copycat/dihonest guys to be our consultant??? Think about it.

To Swiftletclinic.com please delete your "copycat" video on youtube.com as soon as possible. Please upload your OWN test result video IF your products claimed by YOU is SO GOOD !

Regards
Justin Tan

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post Sep 13 2009, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(tan2020 @ Sep 13 2009, 08:01 AM)
Dear DannyMc & all Swiftlet Lover,

user posted image

I am the owner of the above video. I conducted the test using Pak Hen's Aroma - 3 week ago and posted my results 20th August 2009 at youtube.com. You can see my orginal test results here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fUokQIdTLU  also at Pak Hen's web site http://waletindonesia.blogspot.com/
your friedns at swiftletclinic_com copycat my video and ashamed of him, he editied my video and put his own company on my video.

Can we trust a copycat/dihonest guys to be our consultant??? Think about it.

To Swiftletclinic.com please delete your "copycat" video on youtube.com as soon as possible. Please upload your OWN test result video IF your products claimed by YOU is SO GOOD !

Regards
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Hi All,

This is to inform that the "copycat" video by Swiftletclinic.com was just removed by youtube.com 3 hours ago due to"infringing other
video's content and misleading or tell lair to the public."


The true is out there !
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post Sep 14 2009, 07:01 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Sep 14 2009, 01:15 AM)
How did you do that ? U filed an ownership claim to Youtube ?? I never thought Youtube can act upon it so promptly.
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Hi aeiou228,

FYI my daily test results was posted on line since the 1st day of my test not just on youtube.com! When Youtube Team asked me for more prove of my work. I just show them my links to my test results (with time & date posted etc.) which need password for log-in. Immediately they acted on it. Tell you, Youtube Team are smart guys, don't ever lie to them !, they can track you bottom up in many way. I hope Swiftletclinic.com (who infringing my video content without my permission) can do their own test on their aroma and show us the results soon.

Pls stop e-mail the question "What can I buy Pak Hen's Aroma?" I am not selling the Aroma,I am just conduct the test on Aroma. You can direct contact the Aroma's Maker henmulia@yahoo.com for more info or visit his web site here http://waletindonesia.blogspot.com/ ....for those who are new in Swiftlet farming, my advices is to attend his seminar, it would make you a DIY guy and you don't need pay high price to the con$ultant.

Cheers

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post Sep 15 2009, 09:59 PM

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Hi All,

Someone send me the following photos to analyse .... very interesting !

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Did you notice the different of the 2 photos? It is a copy & paste work ! Who copy who??? or same guy work?

Pay attention of the extra potion of the 2 photos, now ask yourself "Who own the original photo?" doh.gif .. very interesting !

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post Feb 26 2010, 07:23 AM

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Received SMS from one of my Swiftlet Friends, and drop by, wow so many noise cry.gif noise of crying vmad.gif doh.gif rclxub.gif sad.gif
Friends from nearby countries Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam etc. are watching this forum. They are laughing ! rclxm9.gif

"From the people, and back to the people" is what our PM are doing recently - 1Malaysia spirit. I am SURE our PM already heard the "NOISE" you all make here. If nothing change, I am sure many Swiftlet Farmers will come out, united-Street protect like what tansn said. Again our neighbor laugh ....clap rclxms.gif

Brovo ! to ALL who make noise louder and louder.

Received a good article from a friends, share here with PM and all.....

"你是否和我一樣,發覺身邊的親戚和朋友,似乎少了許多。
I wonder you feel the same as me,all the sudden I realized friends and relatives around meseems to get less and less.

以往接近過年時,各種聚餐排得滿滿的,而今年,似乎沒聲沒息。
Those years when the New Year drew near, all sorts of gathering appointments almost completely filled the diaries, but this year seems so quiet.

即使是平常日子,電話少了,與大家見面也少了。
Even in nromal time, phone calls become less and less, face to face meet upalso become much less.

也許,大家各忙各的;或者,目前流行“宅生活”,儘量避免出門。
Perhaps, everybody is busy with their own tihings, or perhaps, nowadays people prefer to stay in.

也不盡然如此。再想一想,很多老友和親戚,已經不在了。嗟!大吉利是,他們都還好好的,只是離開了馬來西亞。
However, it is not entirely like this, thinking further, actually old friends and relatives are not around any more. God bless, they are still alive and well, they just left the country, Malaysia .

去了中國大陸開工廠;王子不做工程師,移民到澳洲開小食檔;阿風離開本地大學,去香港做講師;青蛙去了台灣,開展事業第二春;還有的到了美國、英國,唔,還有去印尼的……。
They have gone to China to set factory; ah Wang quit his engineer job and migrated to Australia to set up his little food store business, ah Fong left the local University went to Hong Kong as a lecturer. 'Frog' went to Taiwan to pursue his second career life. Others went to Americia , England , even Indonesia ...

起初,以為這只是個別現象,逐漸的,旁人也有同樣發現;原來,這不是個別現象,而是社會現象;這不是少數,而是相當大的數目。
At first, I thought these are individual cases, but gradually, people around me realized the same, these are not individual cases but a general symptoms of our society. they are not small numbers but the pretty big indeed.

外交部早前披露了一個數字,說明這個現象是多麼真實,多麼貼近。
Department of Foreign Affairs released the figures earlier, it confirmed the situation is real.

從去年3月到今年9月,已經有30萬大馬人移民他國;其中20萬人是今年1月到8月出走的數目。
From March 2008 thru September 2009, a total of 300,000 Malaysian migrated to other countries, among them 200,000 left between Jan - Aug 2009. (in 8 months)

累積下來,已經有超過200萬大馬人移民,接近今天印尼外勞在大馬的人口。
Cummulatively, there are 2 million Malaysian migrated, this figure is close to the number of Indonesian workers in Malaysia today.

不同的是,移居他國的大馬人,多是專業人士、中產階級。
The difference are, those migrated are mostly professional and middle class people.

他們有很多出走的理由,追求事業發展,為了孩子前途,尋找個人更大空間……,概括一句:對馬來西亞失望。
They have many reasons to leave: pursue career development, for the future of their children, in search of better life and environment... In one sentence, they lost hope of Malaysia .

50年前,大家說,馬來西亞真好,好過香港,甚至日本。
50 years ago people said:Malaysia is very good, better than Hong Kong and evenJapan .

30年前,大家說,馬來西亞還不錯,比得上韓國、台灣(不提香港和日本了)。
30 years ago people said:Malaysia is not bad, comparable to S. Korea and Taiwan . (No mention of Hong Kong and Japan any more).

20年前,大家說,馬來西亞還可以,至少超越中國、泰國(不能和台、韓比了)。
20 years ago people said: Malaysia can do la, at least better than China and Thailand (Cannot compare with Taiwan and Korea lah)

10年前,大家說,馬來西亞再差,還不至於像越南、印尼(中國已是不同級別)。
10 years ago poeple said: No matter how bad Malaysia is, cannot be worse than Vietnam and Indonesia ko-ah. ( China is already in a different category).

今日,越南和印尼的經濟成長率遙遙領先大馬,社會活力和知識發展也勝過一籌;距離愈來愈近了。
Today, the economic growth rate of Vietnam and Indonesia already far exceeded Malaysia , Social activity and intellectual development of the country is also better, the gap between us and them is closing up.

怕甚麼,還有菲律賓和柬埔寨、緬甸。
Why worry? there are still Philipines , Cambodia and Myanmar behind us.

但是,一位經濟學家最近到菲律賓考察之後,認為再過20年,大馬可以取代菲律賓,出口馬籍女傭到全世界了。
However, according to an economist who recently surveyed Phillipines, he think in 20 years' time, Malaysia can replace Phillipines to become the World exporter of Malaysian maids.

半個世紀以來,馬來西亞是在大宅院裡,用封建方式,分配祖宗家業,消耗社會資源,浪費和逼走人才;不談競爭力,忽略生產力,討厭績效制。
Over half the century, Malaysians live in the big old imperial housing complex, closed up and survive on properties left behind by the ancestor; continue to consume up social resources, wasteful, and drive away talents; they never talk about competitiveness, totally neglect productivity, and hate meritocracy.

然而,其它國家面對風暴,走出風暴,進行體質改革,跨步向前,登上另一個水平;大馬卻還在原地踏步。
However, just look at other countries in our neighbourhood, they stand up, face the storm, and walk out of the storm. They overhaul the system, improve the processes and march forward, they moved up to a new level. And Malaysia , still walking on the spot.

馬來西亞,該醒一醒了。
Dear Malaysia , it's time to wake up! We are very very late now!"
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1Malaysia can change! Our PM will help, you have our support. PM is really speak from his heart and not just as a politician when he mention of a true Malaysian race; united, one for all and all for one.

DON't let our neighbor LAUGH AGAIN !

Happy CNY and Chap Goh Meh! Cheer ...
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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Mar 22 2010, 01:35 PM)
When one person makes suggestions or posts ideas that a certain action will increase their harvest, MANY PEOPLE WILL, regardless of religion, belief, ethics etc. be tempted to try it out! Be reminded that many read this forum but do not post.

I am sure by now, many people are contemplating this repulsive action.

Anonymous forumers are here to gain knowledge on how to start or improve their involvement in the EBN industry.

Most animals have a natural instinct to preserve and propogate their species. Under breeding stress, as when they have their nests removed, chicks killed(naturally or otherwise) or eggs stolen or infertile, the instinct will be to build or reproduce as quickly as possible. This may also bring upon the earlier sexual maturity of otherwise immature young. So in effect there may be a sudden increase in nests.

Remove nests too often in a BH and the birds may also conclude that this place is not good to live in !

This increase in nests may not be because of the increase of population in the BH. In fact the contrary may be the case when baby birds are left crying before dying. The message is clear from the crying that this place is dangerous! Switch off your sound and you'll see how loud these birds are.

A natural balance of smell from bird droppings, naturally dead birds, broken eggs etc. makes the house seem natural to newcomers but increase the ammonia, Hydrogen sulphide and methane in the BH and it becomes dangerous and unbearable to the residents.  This is especially so with low ceilings in houses when compared to caves.

The killing of nestlings and the destruction of eggs is absolutely unnecessary and in fact may be detrimental in the long run for you BH.
Good explanation, tuckfook. rclxms.gif Why kill the golden "birds" ?? doh.gif

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