This topic was started by me... but some serious conflicts causes alot of people to neglect it. However, I am restarting another similar topic so that people taking or interested in taking this course regardles of whatever uni, public or private is free to hang out here..

Please.. for private "flaming" PM me instead. I want to keep this site clean and free so that people feel comfortable in disgussing stuff over here.

Final note... enjoy yourself here...

ANd happy fellowshiping~

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Added on January 4, 2009, 8:49 pm*bump*

This post has been edited by n_n: Jan 4 2009, 08:49 PM

I'm also one of Biomedical Science students. Anyone who wish to discuss anything, feel free to do so but please refrain from hurling abuses. We don't like that.

Thanks!!

Yes, I am here to bring all Biomed students/ to be... together and share all our woes, ideas etc etc together.

REgardless from UM IMU UKM UPM or whatsoever... welcome!

I'm no longer a Biomedical student, now Biomedical graduate.

I'll hang around here~

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Mar 6 2011, 05:18 AM

i'm a fresh biomed graduate too:D

whats the point of this thread?

ok. ill start off then. anyone like to briefly describe wat is biomedical science. then can describe also the syllibus and of coz where u are studying. im an a level student btw.

I'm more interested on what do you guys planning to do after graduating... I forsake Biomed for Biochem.. Due to various reasons.

graduates are welcome too....

The sake of this thread is to get biomed people together regardless of uni to form a mini community where we can exchange experience and all.

Medicine has.. why not us?

me myself, i am a biomed student from imu. proceeding to 2nd semester soon.. *Now personal flaming please PM me*

my module covers from histology, physiology, toxicology and many more.

Types of modules varies from uni to uni

Yes, I agree what some graduates does in future does not have connection with this course at all... However, i strongly believe that this is due to individual.. What the individual think and what local community think. Hence, this thread was set up so that us, the biomed students will clear these doubts of the recent local community.

What I want to do after this degree is to get a master oversea and work hard and does research on cancer.. oversea

I agree this is not a sought after course locally, but i believe someday a change is gonna happen. If we work hard enough.

i think the point about future biomed future goes to all bio students as i have heard a lot of people working in a different field other than that of what they study.
individual thinking is the main reason as there are many jobs out there for us bio students but maybe the "job" isn't what they think it would be and the pay offered isn't high enough.
me i personally think that going into this field is not about how much you earn but what you are doing for a living. I personally enjoy biology so working with anything to do with bio is just great for me.
Lets hope the US company that is said to open a company in Penang year 2011 accepts as many bio students as possible~

yes i agree with you.. y i pursue tis field is due to personal interest not the greed for high pay. If you love your job..it can take you anywhere you wan..

i would suggest to all those studying biomed to go venture in sg, there they are much more established. instead of waiting for US companies to open their branch here, it is better to head straight to sg, as they might be even more advanced.

well, to tell you the truth.. my plan is to go australia... and yes... no point staying here anyway....

Hi. I just finished my SPM. I am seriously interested in this course. Can you please tell me more what this course is about? What are the future careers this course will lead to?

Yea...biomed is more to research base and lab work.. However make sure that you love bio and lab to pursue it.

But in order to get good career, you need to further it. Getting the degree itself only secure you as a lab assistant.

You can branch out to research, forensic, lecturer and many more actually.

People might tell you you wont get high pay and all...

BUt, if you really love bio...that shouldnt be a problem

ahh....... i think i've written a lot in my previous posts in this sub-forum.
Try reading this thread:


MEDICAL LABORATORY TECHNOLOGY (Click it)

useless course..u will regret unless u get alot of money through biology

You are in Biotech and have the audacity to call Biomedical Science useless?
what are you doing in this thread in the first place?

want to get flamed is it?

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jan 5 2009, 06:55 PM

lol..juz joking..hehe.. its a very different way of life...if wanna read more can refer to one post about biotech job or something like dat.. u wont be living the normal life others do..very enriching experience

kind of agree but because of ppl like us who leaves to other countries looking for a better future and facilities that the bio field in Malaysia is kind of low in standards.

I my self plan to stay in Malaysia to gain some experience 1st than move to other countries. wanted to go to singapore but its too close to Malaysia already so I also plan to go to Australia maybe after 2-3 years of working experience and maybe after i got my masters in some local uni.

like i say for private flaming please PM me instead... For your info... Biotech and biomed work hand in hand in a way. In future research, we might need each other. So what for calling each other course useless?

I am much also as enthusiastic talking about biotech as biomed... why..

For the love for Biology and research

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Added on January 5, 2009, 7:23 pmYes, too close to Malaysia..especially me staying in Johor Bahru...

This post has been edited by n_n: Jan 5 2009, 07:23 PM

im not saying biomed useless.. but all bio-course useless in my last post..but juz jokig..hehe.. but definitely u will not make alot of money in this field unless u go into business with it...so think wat kind of life u want...

actually from my understanding after studying bio, no matter its biomed, biotech, bioinfo,pure bio and so on, you could work in the same field as each other and if you work in a different field, the things would be just slightly different.

intro you guys to a new bio field in Malaysia that i'm studying..
Medical Information Technology

I dont plan to earn alot of money. just want to do some stuff i love to do..

sorry to have misunderstood....

wow... what is it about? what are you studying about and where?

yea.. me too.. after staying in johor for 21 years, seen enough of singapore..
but now moved up to penang already.. haha
but singapore is a nice place to live in, excluding the hectic life-style and the "kiasu'ness"

dang i dont like the kiasuness...! and i dont think i will be happy there anyway... so must study hard already.. BTW have you seen the huge lab in Australia???! I so want to work there one day!

i'm studying in MMU melaka..
seems that some doctors got bored of being a doctor and went for IT..
they than combined this 2 fields and brought in this subject that is also known in other countries like japan and germany.
we study everything about bio like biochem, pathology, microbiology, genetics, anatomy, and pharmacology inclusive of computer programming, data structure, database, digital image processing and so on..
but the things that we learn are not that deep like what biomed, biochem or biotech is studying..
the range of future work is pretty wide but as we study a lot of basics the position for a the job wont be high..

now usually ppl will say 1 2 do for the love and stuff like dat..but when u really get out into the world, the only thing that matters is money...just curoius, what is it about the field that interests u so much?

depends on the person..
me i like it cos i feel i'm able to help people with it.
i can like a normal life with little to spend(after minus'ing money for parents,rent,bills,car loan)..
dun know.. its just set in my mind or heart that i would love doing it..
i can never imagine myself doing business..

but what i'm worried about what i'm studying now is no1 wants me as its totally new in malaysia n unheard of..

cool~ so you graduated already?

haha.... you did say usually but not all right.. there are ppl who does things they love....

I wanted to be a doctor.. had been my childhood dream.. however.. my results aint good.. so i decided to take biomed first and see how it goes. I grow to love it... and the opportunity it has given me... thats all

u wanted to biomedr cuz u cannot fulfill your dream become doctor?? biomed cannot become doctor wor no matter how hard u try...

evansoon, do u mean u r doing bioinformatics?? i think bioinformatics quite hot nowadays and sure can find company 1 but muz know where to look..try asking your profs they sure got a lot of recommend

you can use it for a graduate degree to pursue medicine in future.. overseas lah...

But i mmg love science and research.... dont get me wrong anyway... i just like it.. If been offered biotech oso i wan....

so wat u get offered now? biomed?? graduate d? if wait till finish degree then go other place study doc will take many many years..u r girl maybe can afford do that if family not waiting for u to feed.... but if guy very susah cuz guy responsible find money..many girl phd i noe 1 they all usually marry d..thats why they can pursue what they like without thinking money

I beg to differ... I am a living proof of that.... Doing MBBS right now.

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jul 20 2009, 08:57 PM

u mean u biomed then go doctor?? can share your experience how u switch? i oso interested to hear...hehe

I didnt switch course... I studied till the end.

I am a holder of BSc.Biomedicine (Hons) and now doing MBBS in India. Some of my batch mates went to Poland for their MD.

To say that Biomedical graduates cant become doctors, is incorrect. Biomedical science subjects previously learned actually helps in MBBS/MD study (a LOT).

oic..so u not local la..now in india... so what r the requirements to masuk mbbs in india like what u study now?? study from degree again or more advance?

Minimum CGPA required is 3.00, but 3.5> is preferable. Duration of study is 4.5years (India) and 4years (Poland).

I dont need to re-study the entire pre-clinical subjects of MBBS since that have been covered in BSc.Biomedicine, but I am still required to take some supplementary classes to strengthen the basic pre-clinical subjects.

For instance, cadaver dissection was not covered in Biomedicine, therefore I need to cover that:



and another



I took those pictures during dissection class this morning (5th Jan 2009). If you can stand that, then try MBBS.

By the way, back to Biomedical science talk. It does allow you to further your studies in medicine apart from working directly in health care services.



This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Feb 13 2014, 10:29 PM

u mean after india then haf 2 go poland?? 8.5 yrs ma siao..

No, what I meant was, after graduating from BSc.Biomedicine, some of my batch mates went to India and some went to Poland. Both studying medicine at different places.

nope.. not yet grad.. going to grad in 2 years.

about the biomed to MBBS thing i also think it is possible from what i read in reader's digest..
i think other bio subjects also can let u continue to study MBBS if you are willing to sacrifices the years and have a good cgpa..
I also wanted to be a doctor last time.. but after watching my friends stress out with it i decided not to pressure myself too hard(or another way of putting it is i didn't do that well) for my stpm..

where did u get your BioMed Degree?

Here is where I got my Biomed Degree:

http://www.msu.edu.my/v6/fhls/bbiomed.php

and

here is the JPA Recognition:

http://www.interactive.jpa.gov.my/webinter...126&strID=15620

so after u graduate to be a doctor you are the same as those who take their first degree as doctor right?

hey, dat was wat i plan to do.. however, now i am happy with wat biomed is to offer me.. dats y i am planning to see what this path is offering me.. I am happy now

Hey guys. I'm new here Planning to take biomed in Monash on this coming Feb. I was wondering what kind of job oppoturnities will eb offered fr me afte i complete this degree?

the work mostly labb base... research base... you can branch to forensics and teaching.. it's a quite a wide field to venture

its easy to say lab based and research work.. that was the reason im fooled into taking biotech thinking there are jobs out there in malaysia... please give some examples so that ppl can really be sure..one of my probs after i graduate was, where the hell do i find those jobs?? cant really find any in jobstreet and usually they only want sales... Example that i can give is of course lecturer in any universitiesa but it will take up alot of years meaning ppl start working and marry and u still studying..then most research jobs ppl say are done in universities with little real research in private companies altho there are but few and im working in one of them...but it is still difficult to hunt for job if you do not have contacts or not much knowledge in this field

Indeed. Both will enter government service in the same manner.
But, graduate entry medical officers can have additional extension to their qualifications (if they wish), see below:

Dr. XYZ
BSc.Biomed, MBBS (Bangalore), MRCP (UK)

usually

Dr. ABC
MBBS (Malaya), MRCP (UK)


but thats not really important. The above is just for showing off.

can i say hospitals like hospital Pantai?
from what i hear from my lecturers they are trying to get ppl to work for them.. they are looking for what positioning than i'm not sure..
but what i hope is R&D n so on..

u mean when come back malaysia serve the country still need to work for government?? no exemption cuz u r not local grad? need serve the 4 years?

That is a must for every fresh medical graduate. 2 years of internship plus 3 years of compulsory service in the government sector. Skip that and you will not be registered with the Malaysian Medical Council and therefore will not be permitted to practice in Malaysia.

Alright, enough of medical talk, if you have further inquiries regarding that, you can post it in the following threads:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/889461

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/416477

Medical Underwriter. Never heard of it? Here is a link to your question:

MEDICAL UNDERWRITING

I was offered to be trained as a Medical Underwriter before by Kurnia Insurance. But I rejected it since I had other plans.

Oh medical underwriter? Never heard of it. thx btw cybersetan.

i heard underwriter... but i dnt know how to explain.. sure jobstreet dont have? look properly... not under malaysia but other country. they have...

One thg i wanna ask is bout the salary range. i noe tht working in these kind of filed requires interest more than bout going for the money. but one shud also know whether these jobs will be able to sustain ur living cost n all. So i was just wondering how much would i be roughly paid?

depends on which country you wana venture in... malaysia is a big no no!

of course can sustain your living..even a bus driver can sustain living..depends on how much u spend...

i agree with f4te... but of course you need to like what you work.,.whats the point going work feeling unhappy...

Well some people do work whether they are unhappy or not. Making the choice in the first place gives you right to have feelings for your work in the future. I know this because i have a love and hate feeling towards my previous job

well, dats only what i personally think loe...=)

Oh, alrite. Maybe i rephrase the question again. (so sorry). Am I able to sustain a comfortable living as in i still have available cash at the end of the month for my family n myself after paying th bills, loans n stuff.

Sorry if my question is to vague or sumthg. I'm very worried bout how my career would affect me establishing financial stability in the future. I really enjoy doing biomed.

Its just tht my main proirity now is my loved ones. Am i able to support to only myself but my family too? I apologised for inspesific qestion in my previous post.

well... everything you gotta start small right? this is not instant mee or noodle you can get it just like dat. If you are to work and required a high pay there and then. I dont think they will accept you especially now...

start small in everything...

Yeah true, in desperate measures, i would rather choose another job if that job enables me to support my family n myself though i do not have much interest in it. So, in short, im saying tht i would put responsibility over my very own interests.

Unlike graduates from well rich & established families, let say a graduate earns rm1700/month, of course he/she is able to support himself/herself (cuz the family members earns enuf), but would that rm1700 now be enough for him/her to support the current household?

Jz expressing my views ya. i apologize if any of my opinions contradicts any of u guys. i come in peace!

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Added on January 8, 2009, 11:03 amyeah true so, izzit guarenteed tht the company tht employs u will give u a raise as u work along the years? neva want my salary to remain stagnant even if i hav worked for 5 years!! lol

This post has been edited by charles2690: Jan 8 2009, 11:03 AM

i am not talking about a raise here.. I am talking about upgrading oneself. See if you get a MAsters you salary will definitely be higher right... dont mention a PhD...

Recession time like this hard to say loe

i personally feel 1700 is not enough.. but as a starting pay u can just accept it and try to cut cost here n there for the 1st few months / a year.. the pay would rise but i dun think much.. maybe from 1700 - 2000..
thats y malaysians like to go overseas to get a job.. starting pay is almost the same but the currentcy there is higher.

in bio field upgrading ur level is also important as what n_n said.. learn as much as u can and gain as much experience as u can and ur "worth" will increase also.. thats what i think..
if ur worried doing research give less pay than be a lecturer.. tutors in MMU get ~2000 a month.. lecturers get ~3000.. phd = ~6000 n mmu is known for low paying the lecturers.. thats what i heard when i asked my lec..

this kind of thing what's important is strategy and planning. you cannot go up to your boss with only a degree and say. hey i want high pay...~ what about all those with PhD... the company bankrupt wor!

Oh okay okay. Thx. Yeah, recession might get even worse in near futurem Jz hope it wouldnt. Lots of unemployed now. thx n_n sorry if i offended u or anythg.

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Added on January 8, 2009, 12:05 pmAlritem guys. Thx! Your explanations cleared my doubts. thx n_n & Evansoon. Been a great help.

This post has been edited by charles2690: Jan 8 2009, 12:05 PM

nah you din offend me d

just offering my two cents worth...

all the best!!!

i didnt know got lecturer without phd 1..but wif phd is 6k?? not bad.. starting salary 6k d?? i oso wanna be lectuer like dat

True.

yeap... in this world now... people not looking for degree dy... its like pre-U in my dad's time...lol!

yeah. my dad once said during his age, if anyone holds a diploma, it is as if holding a Masters qualification in the present time haha.

what to do...upgrades are everywhere~ hahaha

haha.. MMU got lots.. with PhD each faculty use 2 hands can count finish..
not sure if is starting pay or not.. but i hear mmu lack lots of lecturer PhD wise..
from what i hear lecturers with PhD are offered 10k a month.. or maybe that was what some1 thought and it passed down from 1 person to another n into my ears.. haha

Man, thts a lot. 10k. But have to spend so much money till get PhD.

Btw, who graduated from biomed course adi n currently employed by a company?

Anyone?

i think 10k is bluff 1 la.. sure like work 20+ yrs then get promoted and increment only 10k..come out fresh phd where got so much? sure only 3 or 4k only ma

3-4k too little.. my mom just finished her masters in educational psychology and b4 she finished she was teaching in colleges for 3k++.. n she got offered by Inti genting to teach there for 3500 + 1000 food and 250 rent coverage with her degree..

Education industry gives a good deal after all.

well, if you want to do research you can do it part time while lecturing mah...

win win situation...=)

Yeah, true. N might get slightly more holidays compared to those who r working outside. lol

Honestly, in the working world whatever degree you have in hand, you will earn about Rm 1500-Rm 2000 for starting pay. Unless you're a doctor of course. So, I don't see a reason of fighting and saying anything about how this degree is useless because the starting pay is low.

In reality, it's not about your degree, it's your attitude, communication skills, and contacts will get you further in life. This applies to ALL jobs available in the market. There is no point saying this degree is useless because the pay is low etc

For opinions that state that doing business will allow you to earn more money...

Again, It applies for everyone regardless of what degree you're holding. Doctors, too, earn more money when they start venturing in businesses (Do you not consider establishing a clinic a form of business?)

Yeah, it's true that close to 80% of job applicants ended up doing jobs that are none related to their degree.

However, example,you may end up doing sales but perhaps with a biomedical science degree it gives you a better chance to excel in your work if you're working for a lab technology company than those who only took business management for a degree?

The truth is, everything is somehow related and there is no way you can say which degree is useless.

It doesn't matter which degree you are holding but if your mind remains in a gutter, I doubt you will succeed in life. A degree can only get you this far in life and it's up to you and yourself to reach a greater heights. A degree is just a stepping stone for whatever you do.

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Added on January 10, 2009, 4:54 pmABout that, not entirely true. Many lecturers in universities are immersed in the world of research and research is a never ending job. Most probably some of them even have to work longer than the daily 9 to 5 time period. Certain experiments require longer time to have their results observed

This post has been edited by eclecticube: Jan 10 2009, 04:54 PM

wow. thx for lots of clarification, eclecticube

i have a different opinion on that...while lecturers might have to work longer hours but it is not due to research..they might work longer due to night classes or some other stuff.. for those research, they r carried out by the masters/phd students so the ones working late r the masters/phd student.. lecturers only supervise or consult them regarding their research..

but when there's semester break, lecturers still need to work..no holiday but their work is other than teaching.. unless u r teacher then student holiday u oso holiday

nah... I still agree that alot of lecturers are involved with research.. and most of their long working hours are due to that.

In fact... I would do that too..

But whatever you want to do with the degree is up to you. Whether you want to further or you want to kanchiong go work immediately is up to individuals...

yup i mean i agree lecturers are involved in research..this is a fact cuz without them how the master/phd students get supervised..but they r not the ones hands on doing the experiments hence no need to stay up late due to the research..

They do. Like previously mentioned, research is a never ending job. Sure, they might supervise postgraduate students but they themselves are also involved in other individual projects. This happens to most of the cases. Just because the scientist already managed to write one journal it doesn't mean that they will never continue with new projects.

in order to get promoted... from lecturer to snr lecturer to associate proff and finally prof is due to the number of publication you produce..

If like dat.. den no1 been promoted lah....

LOL. Definitely. I hope this clears up the apparent misunderstanding due to shallow minded opinions

haha..hopefully..=P

Emm, if im not mistaken, the final year of the biomed is almost 100% research work rite? Or was it the year while taking Honours? I really want to clear with all the details about biomed which i will be taking this coming Feb

What do you mean by while taking honours? I thought the degree itself would be an honours programme?

About research work, yes it is done at the final year for my university that is. I'm not sure about other unis as different unis have different approaches although the degree itself is the same.

Just like how Biomedical Science degree of Monash is different than the one in IMU. From what I heard from my friend who used to study in Monash for a while before switching to IMU, the biomedical science degree in Monash emphasises more on tropical disease. I'm not 100% sure about this but it's better if you ask the management of the uni you are going to thoroughly. Sometimes, it can be quite tricky because different people in one management can tell you different stories so it's best you really have to clear your doubts to avoid regretting later

This post has been edited by eclecticube: Jan 11 2009, 06:53 PM

Oh Honours is part of degree? Ok learnt sumthg new today i tot was separated lol. Anyways, the last year of research work requires the student to work with a lecturer or with a real biomed lab scientist? Heard too much from ppl arnd me. They might gimme wrong info, so wanna make sure i get my facts right frm u guys

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Added on January 11, 2009, 7:18 pmcorrection: from u girls i mean

This post has been edited by charles2690: Jan 11 2009, 07:19 PM

Well for us, it's with lecturer.I think it is. Not too sure of that though. But we do have postings to laboratories from 4th sem onwards. So yeah, we work with both lecturers and lab technicians. But then again, I'm not too sure bout the system in Monash..

Here are some options for Biomedical science in private instituitions in Malaysia (Click them):

UTAR - BSc.Biomedical Science (Hons)

IMU - BSc,Biomedical Science (Hons)

MSU - BSc,Biomedicine (Hons)


choose~

Being an IMU student. The timetable of a biomedical science undergrad is extremely hectic. including 1st sem itself. I dont know about other uni.. but best of all is to get ready first

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Added on January 12, 2009, 10:00 amabout research... we have industrial attachments during sem 4 and 5... that is i think lah they put us somewhere and try working with biomedical scientists or something connected to the future career. Sem 6 we have our research project where a lecturer is given to supervise us. The research project itself is 4 credit units.

This post has been edited by n_n: Jan 12 2009, 10:00 AM

I suggest that Biomed students start thinking about making their research proposal from semester 1. Starting early will help you A LOT in your final year.

Ask the lecturers, they'll help you~

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Mar 1 2009, 12:35 AM