Welcome to Sonus Faber Fan Club. This would be the place where SF owners, supporters, fans and admirers come in to talk about those gorgeous Italian speakers.

Home:
http://www.sonusfaber.com/eng/home.html

The Distributor (Malaysia):
http://www.perfecthifi.com.my/

The Guardians:
1. PcWork (Concertino Domus)
2. auronthas (Concertino Domus)
3. mugenfoo (Concerto)
4. grandspy (Concerto Grand Piano)

Current Satisfaction Level
grandspy - Very Happy but can be better. Need an amp and correct setup


The Driver (Amplifier):
Owners, do state what Amp you are using at the moment, and what amp do plan to use int the future (if applicable)

Current
- Cambridge Audio 540A
- Holfi Integra 8
- NAD 3020a modified ver.
- Krell KAV-300i

Possible Upgrades
a) Krell KAV-400xi
b) Primare I30
c) Roksan Kandy KA-1 MKIII
d) Musical Fidelity A300 (2nd hand)
e) Musical Fidelity A5 (if I can find it)
f) Krell KAV-300i (2nd hand)
g) Bladelius Thor MKII
h) Audio Note maybe not.
i) Audio Research (which model?)
j)


The Placement:
How do you place your speakers? toe in? distance from walls? distance from each other? listening position?

auronthas
I have a rather small listening 'room' (3m (w) x 4.2m (L) x 4m (H) , my speakers are placed 1.2m and 0.8m from rear wall and side wall respectively, my speakers distance are approx. 1.5 m apart. My listening position is 1.2m from speaker with slight toe in. (usually, the listen position shall be 1.5m (golden triangle rule), however it was recommend by SF R&D engineer - Dr. Pablo to position 0.3 m closer towards speakers)

grandspy
to be updated later...


The Accessories:
Speaker cables, Speaker stands, Spikes, etc.

auronthas
Just bought Chord Carnival Silver Plus single wire speaker cables last week replacing Van den Hul Goldwater, still under burn-in period, bass and treble sound superbly well, however, i find midrange (vocal) a little bit dull, perhaps, after burn-in, it would be improved.
Normal and cheap speaker stands with 80% sand-filled on its columns and it comes with speaker spikes. Speaker stands are placed on 0.5 inch marbles with anti-vibrapod.

grandspy
Haven't though about this yet. Will do this last when everything is in place. Currently using the old Nordost Flatline Gold speaker cables : bi-wired.
Speakers standing on their own spikes.


The Pictures:
The real stuff...

This post has been edited by grandspy: Jun 2 2008, 08:38 PM

After a very long deliberation, I finally decided that it has to be Sonus Faber. I'm just not ready for Martin Logan yet... they can wait. Maybe one fine day I'll eventually get them. But now is the era of Sonus Faber.

I'll not make a review just yet, not when they're not properly set up. But, let me just say that they blew away my old faithful Missions to pieces. Just as expected. They melt my heart. Just as expected. Like all things Italian, they're drop dead gorgeous. Now I need to find an amplifier.... not just any amplifier but an amplifier that fits for a Queen. Should I go Tube?

Tube is the way to go for Sonus. Grandspy, going for Audio Note?

Besides tube amplifier, is any good s/s integrated amplifier?

I am also looking a good s/s integrated amplifier to replace my CA 540A integrated amp., most probably SS for Sonus. Below are few that i have shortlisted, hope someone can give us some tips and recommendation to share: -

a) Krell KAV-400xi
b) Primare I30


Cheers

Update: delete (d) to (g), as grandspy had included in #1 of this thread

This post has been edited by auronthas: May 27 2008, 09:29 PM

McIntosh also good match

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Added on May 25, 2008, 9:39 amyour shortlist is a bit strange!
roksan kandy is not same league with Krell KAV-400xi, Primare I30, how to compare?

In your list, Primare I30 is most musical, laid back, warm sound, but power not it strength.

Krell KAv-400xi is most powerful, neutral, honest, characteristic less. but some will feel not so musical.

If you like tube sound solid state powerful amp, I recommend you go to amcorp mall try the bladelius thor . one of popular int amp in malaysia now.

This post has been edited by kkthen: May 25 2008, 09:39 AM

Audio Note eh? I can't even afford the name plate
But yeah, my heart tells me to go for Tube, but..... I'm more comfortable with SS. Less hassle.


My extended list :
d) Musical Fidelity A300 (2nd hand)
e) Musical Fidelity A5 (if I can find it)
f) Krell KAV-300i (2nd hand)
g) Tubes??

I don't quite like the Roksan though..


Who has the Bladelius Thor?

i think sonus faber goes very well with audio research..

Who carries Audio Note here?

You may be right, Roksan Kandy may not in the same price group as Krell, Primare, but i hv studied reviews, Roksan Kandy do provide sufficient power to drive SF concertino domus. Nevertheless, RK may not have adequate power to drive others high range SF compared to Krell, Primare. In short, Krell, Primare can last longer.

Are you talking about Bladelius Thor MKII?  It's quite expensive, almost RM 20K, right? How about italian made tube solid state integrated amplifier such as Unison Research Unico Line or Unico SE?

I may think twice on Roksan then.

I have a rather small listening 'room' (3m (w) x 4.2m (L) x 4m (H) , my speakers are placed 1.2m and 0.8m from rear wall and side wall respectively, my speakers distance are approx. 1.5 m apart. My listening position is 1.2m from speaker with slight toe in. (usually, the listen position shall be 1.5m (golden triangle rule), however it was recommend by SF R&D engineer - Dr. Pablo to position 0.3 m closer towards speakers)

Just bought Chord Carnival Silver Plus single wire speaker cables last week replacing Van den Hul Goldwater, still under burn-in period, bass and treble sound superbly well, however, i find midrange (vocal) a little bit dull, perhaps, after burn-in, it would be improved.

Normal and cheap speaker stands with 80% sand-filled on its columns and it comes with speaker spikes. Speaker stands are placed on 0.5 inch marbles with anti-vibrapod.




This post has been edited by auronthas: May 25 2008, 07:17 PM

audio matic sales and services at Amcorp MAll got demo of Bladelius Thor.

Audio note(m) sdn bhd at plaza Mont' Kiara.

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Added on May 25, 2008, 9:12 pmWhy not Roksan caspian m1??

This post has been edited by kkthen: May 25 2008, 09:12 PM

Hey, don't discard the Roksan Kandy just yet. Just because it's not in the same league with the Krell/Primare does not mean that it's not good enough for your Concertino. It's all about synergy.

What?? RM20K for the Bladelius Thor MKII? If I'm not mistaken, it's sold for USD3000 in the states.

I saw Bladelius Thor MKII was listed 590,000 yen in Stereo Sound magazine, which is approximately RM 18k.

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Added on May 25, 2008, 10:16 pmI did not include Roksan Caspian M1 because its 70W/ch compared to Kandy MKIII's 120W/ch.

This post has been edited by auronthas: May 25 2008, 10:16 PM

Thanks for the info!


Hmm.. maybe I was looking at the old version of Bladelius. Well, if it's RM18K, I better get the 'cheaper' Krell.

auronthas, I've updated some info on the 1st post if you don't mind.

I used to pair SFCD with AR VSi55.

Be careful of Krell 300i. its review is so so only with some weakness mentioned in the stereophile. Krell 400xi is a better improvement. Second price between 300i and 400xi is wide spread.

This post has been edited by ccschua: May 26 2008, 12:04 AM

No problem, it's good to share among forumers and i want to know more from others too on your experience.

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Added on May 26, 2008, 6:02 amI read Stereophile Editor-in-Chief, John Atkinson's measurement on Krell 400xi that he encountered overheating problem, hence, i worry if Krell 400xi can operate for long hour, or it may need a good ventilation system. Just my concern.

This post has been edited by auronthas: May 26 2008, 06:03 AM

Bladelius thor may be 15-16k in Malaysia.

kandy sound isn't as refined or insightful as the Caspians, but it is exciting, with speed and vitality, the price is good.
It will be good match with your Cambridge audio CD player. even better than 640a. last time the dealer demo 640c + kandy far better than 640c + 640a.

Thanks for info. Was the demo on SFCD speakers?

Not SFCD but Polk audio bookshelf. But we prefer 640c more than kandy CD player.

How abt Rega Apollo CD player?

Do you still have the SFCD? Shall I put up your name in the owners list? How good was the pairing?


Actually I like the Krell 300i. My friend is using it to drive a pair of ProAc Studio 125.
Owners of the Krells that I know said the same thing. They prefer the 300i to the 400xi. I tend to prefer the 300i too. Come to think of it, I don't really quite like Krell that much actually.. hahaha... prefer the European amp.


Hmm..... let me check this out.

Rega apollo sure better than 640C, but in this price range it don't do anyting wrong but noting special make us surprise.

what's the best price for this? Best quote so far is RM3,200

How about Exposure 3010s (110w/ch - around RM 8k)
integrated amp pairing with SFCD? Read review from Audioart (Taiwan hifi magazine #232) also June 2008 Stereophile magazine reviewed by Art Dudley, not bad though. It's UK design

This post has been edited by auronthas: May 27 2008, 09:56 PM

Thanks but I am a retired Audiophilee now switched to Head-Fi leow.... I missed my SFCD with VSi55 and CD3MKII

Hmm... so many amps to choose from. I came across a cute Italian made Synthesis tube amp the other day.. but I've got no idea how it sounds like. Pretty difficult when you can't have a demo with your own speakers.. I might just end up with my old Technics amp... har har har!

outdoorxplorer, you'll come back to Hi-Fi one day...I'm very sure of it

Haven't heard about Italian made Synthesis, but i heard Unison Research, another italian made tube amplifier used to test with SF speakers (heard from Perfect Hifi), anyone?

Agree with u, Grandspy, it's hard to choose amplifiers as listed, need to pair with your source and SFGP/SFCD and make some audition. Not sure if Perfect Hi-FI has various listed amplifiers to test? Hopefully, they can bring some amplifiers to my home to test.

Also, thought of purchase Benchmark DAC1 to bypass CA 540C and Squeezebox internal DAC, will be the upgrading DAC has more improvement compared with amplifier?

This post has been edited by auronthas: May 29 2008, 06:36 PM

Benchmark DAC1 is good dac, But you need use good quality digital cable. For hifi, Source is very important. sometimes It may more improvement compared with amplifier.

This post has been edited by kkthen: May 29 2008, 09:10 PM

Thanks for yr opinion, kkthen.

Great, i have made some review and comparison among decent DACs such as Benchmark DAC1, Lavry DA10, Bel Canto DAC3, PS Audio Digital Link III DAC, etc. Benchmark DAC1 still the most valuable one.

What's your recommendaed digital coaxial interconnect? How much? Is digital coaxial better than SPDIF/toslink?

Cheers

This post has been edited by auronthas: May 30 2008, 05:46 AM

I am not sure Coaxial or toslink which one is better. This is much depend your Transport & DAC combination. But normally good Coaxial will be more expensive than good toslink. The toslink is colourless & neutral. Coaxial sound like analogue cable, different brand got different color & characteristic like warm, cool, neutral.

If u want to use toslink you must use glass toslink. Glass toslink got 3x the bandwidth of plastic toslink for expanded resolution and reduced jitter. This the reason why some say coaxial better than toslink. Because plastic toslink not enough bandwidth for audio data transmission.

Length of digital cable is also very important. I got DH labs D75 coaxial in 1m & 1.5m each one.
1.5m length will sound more better 1m length. After i do some research, I found 1.2m length is optimum length digital cable. More than 1.2m will not much different. Less than 1.2m will be more jitter. DH labs d75 is good budget coaxial cable, 1.5m is rm160 ( default come with two canary plug). But please don't terminated with canary coaxial plug, sound terrible. I change the plug to cheap audioquest coaxial plug sound much better.

I got 4 different digital cable.

a)1.5m Dh labs d75 coaxial with audioquest plug- Musical, Good imaging, Thick vocal, slightly warm, but not very detail.

b)1.5m acoustic zen silver bytes RM950- neutral, colorless, sweet high, more detail, soft bass.

c) 2m Ebay Glass toslink RM125- Neutral, colorless, high extension not as good as sliver byte. but vocal thicker , Bass better than silver bytes. Detail as good as silver bytes.

d)1.5m stereovox xv2 rm850- Neutral, colorless, most detail, dynamic, good imaging, transparent, vocal not as thick as d75. Bass not as full as d75 but more detail.

In my system, stereovox is the best, second is Glass toslink, third is acoustic zen.

Cost/performance Glass toslink is best in my system.



This post has been edited by kkthen: May 30 2008, 09:03 PM

here update some photo of sonus faber concertino domus.
my setup is

NAD3020A moded.
Marants CD-46
Van Den Hul D102MKIII RCA-RCA
Speaker Cable = DIY / Cable Talk 4

Poisoning photos.....

really nice to see, must come to pc bro house to test it.

Wow, kkthen, what a review. Thanks for providing detail review for my consideration.

What's your hifi setup like, perhaps can share with us.

Cheers.

my system is very entry level. All is vintage level & second hand item,

Transport = CEC TL5100
jitter reducer: Monarchy DIP
DAc: Monarchy model 22 20bit DAC
Int Amplifier: japanese Cosmos 6bm8 tube amp (2x8w only)
Speaker: France small floorstand confluence solstices

My system only good in vocal. Not all rounded. Not dynamic to play rock & Drum.

My Transport also not good match with DAC. If i am not using Monarchy DIP. It sound lifeless,
even Standalone CD player like marantz 63se & 640c can beat it. Transport + dac not a easy task for my hifi journey,
it got matching problem with your tranport & digital cable. If i start over, I would rather get one
good single box cd player, life will more easy.

I believe your sonus faber is better than my confluence solstices. Hope one day I can come to your house to enjoy your system & learn from each other.

This post has been edited by kkthen: May 31 2008, 09:54 AM

Grandspy:

Couple of years back with the Concerto (no Domus) was first launched, it received raved reviews from Stereophile with paired with the KAV-300i.

In the interest of Hi-Fi curiosity, maybe can arrange for your Domuses (or Domii ...) to have a go with the KAV-300i (i've got one) and see hows the sound like if you haven't explored already.

BTW, my Concertos (1st Gen batch ) are still going strong after all these years (since 1997 i think).

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Added on May 31, 2008, 5:53 pmSometimes also depends on the DAC punya receiver interface and/or the transport punya transmitter interface. The myriad combination of these factors can be misleading and make people think one particular medium is better than the other.



This post has been edited by mugenfoo: May 31 2008, 05:53 PM

I thought Exposure is very suitable for Epos spkrs?

Nice Pics PcWork!!


Nice setup!!! How effective is the jitter remover?


That's what I thought... KAV-300i could be the perfect match for the SF. BTW, mine are not the newer model of Domus(es?) but the earlier Concertos.. probably the same as yours?? Yes, I would like that very much... to have a listen to the 300i driving a pair of Concertos. I've listened to a 400xi paired with Concertos but not a 300i. Hey, can I put your name up there as the owner of Concertos?

hey
how about a small gathering of sonus owner?
grandspy. wanna come over for listening my sonus?
i had tune it according to my taste.
it's very different with the one you listened at perfect hifi that day.
personally mine is smoother.
due to cable/ amp.


i has one epos ES-11 at my hand too.
=)


This post has been edited by PcWork: Jun 1 2008, 12:33 AM

Great idea!! That, we shall do.
I can imagine that. Your NAD is already warm and smooth. Good match for the SF? I'll bring some CDs

The jitter remover is playing main role in my system . Especially, when my transport is not match well with my old dac. Remove the jitter remover, high, vocal, bass, dynamic become noting in my system.
May be my dac is too old, latest dac like Benchmark DAC 1 got reclock function will solve the matching issue.

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Added on June 1, 2008, 1:06 amPCwork Bro, i am not sonus owner. Can i join the audition? I really want to know the poison of sonus faber.

This post has been edited by kkthen: Jun 1 2008, 01:36 AM

yea sure no prob.

I am also using a Monarchy DIP ( the very 1st Gen also) and its now doing a wonderful re-streaming the output of my Apple Airport Express' S/PDIF output. Without the DIP, the Airport's stream makes the sound really rough and edgy. And this ain't serious listening but "convenience" listening to the stuff in my iTunes library. The DIP is totally awesome despite being 10+years old. Also great for converting Toslink to Co-ax or AES/EBU interface, if you wanna try different sounds.

Now the newer model DIPs should be even better owing to improvements in digital timing accuracy from higher grade clock chips/Crystals.
For serious listening, I got a Theta Jade transport (the one that pioneered the built-in buffer memory to reduce jitter just like Theta's Jitter-Jail standalone) , Wadia 12 DAC, then Mr. Krell, then Apogee Slant-6 hybrids. All XLO Signature-series AES/EBU (balanced) links for digital and analog, then bi-wired to the Apogees.

All in a purpose built room with Robert Harley's top choice dimensions of 10-14-19.

Before the Krell, I was driving the Concerto with an Exposure XX. Very smooth, but not quite enough power and the Concertos are abit power hungry.

Incidentally, both the Concertos and the Apogee are using the same 6inch VIFA woofer driver.

This post has been edited by mugenfoo: Sep 25 2010, 01:47 AM

I hv no idea. You may be right, I heard Exposure 2010s is a good buy integrated amplifier.

Just read review from Stereophile on new Exposure 3010s integrated amplifier, it may not available here yet to make any audition.

Theta jade- wadia 12- Krell- Apogee Slant-6 hybrid

your system is high end.
I also like xlo sound, neutral, clean & dynamic. But I am using low range xlo interconnect only.
I have no idea how good the signature series. How about power cord? which power cord for theta jade transport? Do you using any power conditioner for your system?

Robert Harley's top choice dimensions of 10-14-19. Tell me more??
That's one serious stuff you've got there mugenfoo...

well
it become more smooth and warm. =P
andrea bocelli and some flute songs is superb imho. well define, thick enough to represent the actual size of a flute.


no problem dude.
=P
if u wanna kena serious poison, do you wanna visit perfect hifi with me?
as bro grandspy did. hahaha

Yeah i use "better" power chords too...

Using XLO Reference-II power chords for Amp, DAC and CD Transport.

Also using the 1st Gen XLO reference power chord for the DIP to "help" the Apple Airport Express out abit.

But my "home made" power chord from the wall outlet to the power block is wired with VandenHul CS-6 (if i remember correctly) stiff like anything... but gives very good & fast dynamics. Then only the XLO power chords tap off this power block.

Basically its a room of dimensions 10 feet by 14 feet by 19 feet or scaled down with the same proportion.
This would give the best spread of "eigentones" or standing-wave distribution for a rectangular room.

Any "normal" household room (unless its a fully damped and super dead sounding recording studio or similar) would have standing waves due to parallel walls and other geometrical factors. The idea is to try to spread these standing wave frequencies evenly thoroughout the audio band, then they may be more easily corrected/treated with stuff like Roomtunes ™ , bass traps, Helmholtz resonators, RPG™ products, big wads of padding, chicken-egg carton trays, etc etc etc... and yes ... even with a small round piece of wood called "Shun Mook" that some people swear by it. (Please don't ask me about "Shun Mook" but Google it up, have a listen if possible, then form your own opinion about it )

Tuning the listening room is perhaps the hardest part of hi-fi and the part that most people tend to overlook.

Basically, I would go for a room dimensions thats got just the right amount of liveness, and ideally flat freq response and no peaks or suck-outs in the audible range. Of course, speaker placement and listening position are also part of this equation.

Then there's stuff like the mathematical "golden ratio" ( something advocated by Cardas & gang) and the string of Fibonacci number sequences and how they apply it to hi-fi such that resonances won't built up etc etc etc...

Anyway, people can do (and have done) a PhD out of this whole topic alone; so if anyone is interested to know more... Google is your best friend.

Its from RH's book, the "complete guide to high-end audio" now in its 3rd or 4th edition already i think.

Also got a friend with a pair of 1st Gen SF Concertinos (non-Domus) driven by Musical Fidelity X1 amp and Micromega minium CD Player.

Extremely musical for a "slightly classy" entry-level system.


One thing about Sonuses is that the stands are particularly important. That makes the diff between a pair of good sounding SFs and great sounding SFs.

Take for example the Guinaeri (dunno how to spell it properly anymore) if anyone recalls; the stands are an integral part of the whole speaker design. Concrete base, some metal (not sure, don't remember!) rigid column... and carefully tensioned (nylon / cotton?) strings from the top baseplate to the bottom concrete base.

And the SF Extrema ... thats my first time seeing a passive speaker with a heatsink at the rear !!

Hi mugenfoo,

I've heard many who commented the same, ie. stands are critical for Sonus Faber speakers. As for the baby Sonus speaker in 1st generation Concetino or Concertino Home, why is it so? The correct height of 28"/30" vs 24" of Empire stands or material used (presence of walnut) to construct the stands? What is your comment on this?

my comment ? "trust your ears"

All the new range from SF I have listened to, can't match my old SF lar, the "taste" is no longer can find on the new range. Try to use Audio Research or Audio Analogue to drive it. I have try a lot of amplifier from Krell, Mark Levinson, McIntosh.... to drive SF Cremona, only Audio Research and Audio Analogue is more match, the other is really not match at all.

Trust my ears?
I've a pair of SF Concertino Home sitting on 24" six pillar Empire stands for the last 5 years till now, didn't buy its original stands because of cost factor then. I've been hearing comments you've just made, "... one thing about Sonuses is that the stands are particularly important. That makes the diff between a pair of good sounding SFs and great sounding SFs. ..." and hence my curiosity. Unless I buy or 'pinjam' the original stands to make comparison, I'll never know for sure, then how to trust my ear? I thought you'll be willing to share since you also made the statement. I won't hold you to whatever opinion or take on this as it's how you actually feel mah!

Well, I had this one pair of stands, 24" also, to use with the Concertos .. they were locally made, but made for the Concertos coz it had two holes in the base-plate so that u can screw the concertos securely to the plate.

With the stands filled and screwed-on, the sounds is much better than having the SF just sit on them with nothing else.

Basically, a good pair of stands that are rigid, solid and preferable can accommodate the SF's bottom screw ports ... you'll have a great combo !

As with most of SF's design philosophy and the way they interlock the solid wood blocks and internally brace them , this makes the speaker cabinets really solid and inert to improve the woofer accuracy. So anything along the same lines would be good.

Thank you, mugenfoo. You've just made my day!

I'll seek and try out the original or clone stands made for Sonus Faber speakers and will let you know if its sound really improve from what I'm hearing now in due course but if the improvement is marginal or none, I shall not hold you to your opinion expressed. Have a nice day!

P/S Any forumers having good conditioned to mint original/clone stands made for Sonus Faber for sale? If yes, kindly PM me.

anyone got sf old speaker stand ? or where to get it.
Its wrap with leather. ill upload pic 2nite

I have made audition at Perfect Hifi with Audio Analogue Primo Settanta SS integrated amplifier paired with SF concertino domus lately, they sound superbly warm, but when they played track 1 - Bali Runof Four Play album, i noticed some music instruments at certain frequencies (upper bass i think) are mess around, have you guys has the same experience?

I was introduced also higher range AA Verdi Settanta (hybrid) integrated amp and AA Puccini Settanta integrated amp, unfortunately i have no time for audition or 'paisei', may be will listen to them next trip.

I understand a powerful amp will drive less sensitive 4 ohm speaker like SF and make the sound warmer, deeper, and clear.

This post has been edited by auronthas: Jun 9 2008, 06:15 PM

Anyone here who's come across a pair of vintage SF Electa or Electa-Amator ?

I did go there and listened to this setup, but I think Perfect Hi-Fi didn't set it up properly. I heard the cable not really match the system. If change to other cable, the sound will be better.

Great to know you also notice it.

Are you talking about speaker cable? It looks like Van den Hul, guess it's Royal Jade, dark green one.

My previous speaker cable was VDH Goldwater, i have changed to Chord Carnival Silver Plus last month (run in around 60 hours now), it gives a more neutral and warm soundstage. Love it.

i am currently pairing Cable talk 4 cable to my Concertino. =P
will proceed with more run in and report in how's the sound
anyway. grandspy. i am currently back to sarawak. and i shall contact you after i go back to KL by 26th =)
by then we discuss out a time for a mini gathering for ppl who loved sonus. =)

That day I listened one I think it was a pair of Transparent Cable, not VDH. But I still think it did not match the system. I think a pair of speaker cable that can "hold back" a little bit of detail will be more control.

Some speaker cables are too 'transparent', too analytical, it make the soundstage dry. It's subject to a person's taste.

As my post earlier, i like warm, neutral soundstage, that's why i choose SF speaker. I am searching int. amp which can provide warm, neutral pair with SF, i will make some critical listening to Audio Analogue (Primo, Verdi, Puccini) to compare.

I'm using a RM1 per meter red and white speaker cable
The cables are the last thing that I'll look into. At least after I get a proper amp. They're more of a fine tuning stuff.



Do report back to us on your findings please

Howdy grandspy, so long never hear from u. Where did u go?

Sure, i will report. One of the weekend, i will make audition again in Perfect Hifi, but i would not buy int. amplifier until next year, so just take more time to make comparison.

Btw, last week i bought AudioQuest Copperhead analogue interconnect replacing my old Daytona analogue interconnect, after run-in for 50 hours, it sounds superbly great, warm, can match with VDH the Source. Anyone has any good/bad feedback on AQ, please share.

Cheers.

The Cable should not be last thing, It give much improvements to my system although i am using the cheap vintage int amp. Anyway try to find the cable as neutral as possible, avoid the cable which got network & strong characteristic, unless you want to tune your system.

I am also plan to get proper amp & start saving money for next year upgrade. If you found any good amp, please share with us.

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Added on June 17, 2008, 11:38 amI have heard audioquest king cobra interconnect in my friend house, quite neutral,detail & dynamic, But a bit thin in my friend system.

This post has been edited by kkthen: Jun 17 2008, 11:39 AM

Same here... next year would be a good year to buy an amp



Hmm... I beg to differ. You should spend your money on cables after you get all your system in place, not before. The cables should suit the system, not the other way around.

Very beautiful stands in metal and walnut specially made for Sonus Faber Concertino/Concerto/Minima/MinimaAmator loudspeakers


Attached image(s)

agree... cables make a big diff in the sound overall !

Remember, in hi-fi as in life ... a chain is only as strong as its weakest link ...

To all Sonus Fans ....

i stumbled across a pair of lovely Guinarei's .... complete with the ori stands (the one with strings) ....

Anyone keen to go look-see look-see it ? haha

The Guarneri? Used ones? The name itself makes my knees tremble. And I dare not ask how much.

Guinarei hommage or Guinarei mommento?

Err... it's Guarneri Homage / Memento
unless you're talking bout China made SF

hahaha.. RM13K, old stock clearance. i doubt if its made in China...

dun like that lah. u get what i mean mah..lol
ponosonic
sanny?
sonny?
=P
Guarneri = guanary.....


me mean my typo lah
even cheapest Sonus faber were maded in ITALY...

then it's the guarneri Homage. older version...
which gives a really big hit on high end bookshelve market.. =P though momento were yet another bigger hit..
=P

Nice price
But still, way beyond me...


Don't worry PcWork, I was just kidding you
homage or memento, they still send me the shivers

hmmm... RM13k .... so how .. any takers?

Then can eat porridge for the next 6 months...

mugenfoo, i noticed that you have quite a list of mouth watering Hi-Fi stuffs there. The CHT-12 is with or w/o R?

err.. no R , quite an old unit .. a few years old liao.
All these "R" stuffs don't quite work for me in Hi-Fi ... That one only for car.

hahahahahahaha


This post has been edited by mugenfoo: Jun 24 2008, 10:49 PM

damn expensive brand.....

if can eat porridge for next 6 month and get a guarneri i already start eating it long time ago loh..
the problems is even i eat porridge for whole year also i won't be able to folk out the money for guarneri..

It may be food for thought that Krell is often used by Sonus Faber at their factory when they design their speakers. Sonus faber's founder, Franco Serblin and Krell's founder, Dan D'Agostino, are great friends, hence the synergy.

http://hifi4sale.blogspot.com/2008/03/krel...aber-domus.html

Sonus Faber Stradivaris were also designed using Krell power amps. Check out Ken Kessler's review of the Stradivari and SF factory visit in Hi-Fi News April 2004. here at Absolute Sounds' website (UK distributor for Krell & Sonus Faber)

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Added on July 11, 2008, 12:46 amI have a Krell KAV-400xi on (not on standby, but actually on) 24 hours a day, most of the day without aircon. Yes, it runs quite warm, but it's great sounding.

John Atkinson's test is actually running 67W continuously at 8 ohms. In any case, at that kind of power levels, you have to be listening at really, really deafening/high levels and using very inefficient speakers (85DB/W/m or lower) with low impedance. In the real-world, you should be having no issues and wonderful sound instead, as what Wes Phillips discovered.

Full review here: http://stereophile.com/integratedamps/205krell/

BTW, the KAV-400xi is a good match with the SF Concerto Domus and Grand Piano Domus.





This post has been edited by wkfoong: Jul 11 2008, 12:46 AM

RM13k is too much.

Bro,

Your system very very 'geng' leh.. Really dunno what it sounds like. I also dreaming of owning a Krell but I will probably aim at 300i coz no budget..

Krell is definitely well match but it is way above my budget.

But i heard Audio Analogue Puccini Settanta is quite well match with Sonus Faber speakers. Due to busy schedule, i still have no chance to make audition.

Auronthas

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Added on July 11, 2008, 11:49 pmWell noted, thanks for clarification to all of us.



This post has been edited by auronthas: Jul 11 2008, 11:49 PM