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TSgrandspy
post May 25 2008, 01:50 AM, updated 13y ago

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Welcome to Sonus Faber Fan Club. This would be the place where SF owners, supporters, fans and admirers come in to talk about those gorgeous Italian speakers.

Home:
http://www.sonusfaber.com/eng/home.html

The Distributor (Malaysia):
http://www.perfecthifi.com.my/

The Guardians:
1. PcWork (Concertino Domus)
2. auronthas (Concertino Domus)
3. mugenfoo (Concerto)
4. grandspy (Concerto Grand Piano)

Current Satisfaction Level
grandspy - Very Happy but can be better. Need an amp and correct setup


The Driver (Amplifier):
Owners, do state what Amp you are using at the moment, and what amp do plan to use int the future (if applicable)

Current
- Cambridge Audio 540A
- Holfi Integra 8
- NAD 3020a modified ver.
- Krell KAV-300i

Possible Upgrades
a) Krell KAV-400xi
b) Primare I30
c) Roksan Kandy KA-1 MKIII
d) Musical Fidelity A300 (2nd hand)
e) Musical Fidelity A5 (if I can find it)
f) Krell KAV-300i (2nd hand)
g) Bladelius Thor MKII
h) Audio Note ohmy.gif maybe not.
i) Audio Research (which model?)
j)


The Placement:
How do you place your speakers? toe in? distance from walls? distance from each other? listening position?

auronthas
I have a rather small listening 'room' (3m (w) x 4.2m (L) x 4m (H) , my speakers are placed 1.2m and 0.8m from rear wall and side wall respectively, my speakers distance are approx. 1.5 m apart. My listening position is 1.2m from speaker with slight toe in. (usually, the listen position shall be 1.5m (golden triangle rule), however it was recommend by SF R&D engineer - Dr. Pablo to position 0.3 m closer towards speakers)

grandspy
to be updated later...


The Accessories:
Speaker cables, Speaker stands, Spikes, etc.

auronthas
Just bought Chord Carnival Silver Plus single wire speaker cables last week replacing Van den Hul Goldwater, still under burn-in period, bass and treble sound superbly well, however, i find midrange (vocal) a little bit dull, perhaps, after burn-in, it would be improved.
Normal and cheap speaker stands with 80% sand-filled on its columns and it comes with speaker spikes. Speaker stands are placed on 0.5 inch marbles with anti-vibrapod.

grandspy
Haven't though about this yet. Will do this last when everything is in place. Currently using the old Nordost Flatline Gold speaker cables : bi-wired.
Speakers standing on their own spikes.


The Pictures:
The real stuff...

This post has been edited by grandspy: Jun 2 2008, 08:38 PM
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post May 25 2008, 02:13 AM

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After a very long deliberation, I finally decided that it has to be Sonus Faber. I'm just not ready for Martin Logan yet... they can wait. Maybe one fine day I'll eventually get them. But now is the era of Sonus Faber.

I'll not make a review just yet, not when they're not properly set up. But, let me just say that they blew away my old faithful Missions to pieces. Just as expected. They melt my heart. Just as expected. Like all things Italian, they're drop dead gorgeous. Now I need to find an amplifier.... not just any amplifier but an amplifier that fits for a Queen. Should I go Tube?
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post May 25 2008, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 25 2008, 08:09 AM)
Tube is the way to go for Sonus. Grandspy, going for Audio Note?
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Audio Note eh? I can't even afford the name plate tongue.gif
But yeah, my heart tells me to go for Tube, but..... I'm more comfortable with SS. Less hassle.

QUOTE(auronthas @ May 25 2008, 08:19 AM)
I am also looking a good s/s integrated amplifier to replace my CA 540A integrated amp., most probably SS for Sonus. Below are few that i have shortlisted, hope someone can give us some tips and recommendation to share: -

a) Krell KAV-400xi
b) Primare I30
c) Roksan Kandy KA-1 MKIII

Cheers
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My extended list :
d) Musical Fidelity A300 (2nd hand)
e) Musical Fidelity A5 (if I can find it)
f) Krell KAV-300i (2nd hand)
g) Tubes??

I don't quite like the Roksan though..

QUOTE(kkthen @ May 25 2008, 08:19 AM)
McIntosh also good match

In your list, Primare I30 is most musical, laid back, warm sound, but power not it strength.
Krell KAv-400xi is most powerful, neutral, honest, characteristic less. but some will feel not so musical.

If you like tube sound solid state powerful amp, I recommend you go to amcorp mall try the bladelius thor . one of popular int amp in malaysia now. smile.gif
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Who has the Bladelius Thor?


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post May 25 2008, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(auronthas @ May 25 2008, 06:17 PM)
You may be right, Roksan Kandy may not in the same price group as Krell, Primare, but i hv studied reviews, Roksan Kandy do provide sufficient power to drive SF concertino domus. Nevertheless, RK may not have adequate power to drive others high range SF compared to Krell, Primare. In short, Krell, Primare can last longer.

Are you talking about Bladelius Thor MKII?  It's quite expensive, almost RM 20K, right? How about italian made tube solid state integrated amplifier such as Unison Research Unico Line or Unico SE?
I may think twice on Roksan then.  icon_rolleyes.gif

Hey, don't discard the Roksan Kandy just yet. Just because it's not in the same league with the Krell/Primare does not mean that it's not good enough for your Concertino. It's all about synergy.

What?? RM20K for the Bladelius Thor MKII? If I'm not mistaken, it's sold for USD3000 in the states.

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post May 25 2008, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(kkthen @ May 25 2008, 09:02 PM)
audio matic sales and services  at Amcorp MAll got demo of  Bladelius Thor.
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Thanks for the info!

QUOTE(auronthas @ May 25 2008, 10:13 PM)
I saw Bladelius Thor MKII was listed 590,000 yen in Stereo Sound magazine, which is approximately RM 18k.
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Hmm.. maybe I was looking at the old version of Bladelius. Well, if it's RM18K, I better get the 'cheaper' Krell.

auronthas, I've updated some info on the 1st post if you don't mind.
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post May 27 2008, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(outdoorxplorer @ May 25 2008, 10:55 PM)
I used to pair SFCD with AR VSi55.
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Do you still have the SFCD? Shall I put up your name in the owners list? How good was the pairing?

QUOTE(ccschua @ May 25 2008, 11:43 PM)
Be careful of Krell 300i. its review is so so only with some weakness mentioned in the stereophile. Krell 400xi is a better improvement. Second price between 300i and 400xi is wide spread.
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Actually I like the Krell 300i. My friend is using it to drive a pair of ProAc Studio 125.
Owners of the Krells that I know said the same thing. They prefer the 300i to the 400xi. I tend to prefer the 300i too. Come to think of it, I don't really quite like Krell that much actually.. hahaha... prefer the European amp.

QUOTE(auronthas @ May 26 2008, 05:59 AM)
I read Stereophile Editor-in-Chief, John Atkinson's measurement on Krell 400xi that he encountered overheating problem, hence, i worry if Krell 400xi can operate for long hour, or it may need a good ventilation system.  Just my concern.
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Hmm..... let me check this out.
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post May 28 2008, 10:02 PM

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Hmm... so many amps to choose from. I came across a cute Italian made Synthesis tube amp the other day.. but I've got no idea how it sounds like. Pretty difficult when you can't have a demo with your own speakers.. I might just end up with my old Technics amp... har har har!

outdoorxplorer, you'll come back to Hi-Fi one day...I'm very sure of it biggrin.gif
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post Jun 1 2008, 12:26 AM

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Nice Pics PcWork!!

QUOTE(kkthen @ May 31 2008, 09:52 AM)
my system is very entry level. All is vintage level & second hand item,
Transport = CEC TL5100
jitter reducer: Monarchy DIP
DAc: Monarchy model 22 20bit DAC
Int Amplifier: japanese Cosmos 6bm8 tube amp (2x8w only) sweat.gif
Speaker: France  small floorstand  confluence solstices
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Nice setup!!! How effective is the jitter remover?

QUOTE(mugenfoo @ May 31 2008, 05:49 PM)
Grandspy:

Couple of years back with the Concerto (no Domus) was first launched, it received raved reviews from Stereophile with paired with the KAV-300i.

In the interest of Hi-Fi curiosity, maybe can arrange for your Domuses (or Domii ...)  to have a go with the KAV-300i (i've got one) and see hows the sound like if you haven't explored already.  smile.gif

BTW, my Concertos (1st Gen batch ) are still going strong after all these years (since 1997 i think).
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That's what I thought... KAV-300i could be the perfect match for the SF. BTW, mine are not the newer model of Domus(es?) but the earlier Concertos.. probably the same as yours?? Yes, I would like that very much... to have a listen to the 300i driving a pair of Concertos. I've listened to a 400xi paired with Concertos but not a 300i. Hey, can I put your name up there as the owner of Concertos?
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post Jun 1 2008, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jun 1 2008, 12:31 AM)
hey
how about a small gathering of sonus owner?
grandspy. wanna come over for listening my sonus?
i had tune it according to my taste.
it's very different with the one you listened at perfect hifi that day.
personally mine is smoother.
due to cable/ amp.
i has one epos ES-11 at my hand too.
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Great idea!! That, we shall do.
I can imagine that. Your NAD is already warm and smooth. Good match for the SF? I'll bring some CDs smile.gif
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post Jun 2 2008, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(mugenfoo @ Jun 1 2008, 04:24 PM)
For serious listening,  I got a Theta Jade transport (the one that pioneered the built-in buffer memory to reduce jitter just like Theta's Jitter-Jail standalone) , Wadia 12 DAC, then Mr. Krell, then Apogee Slant-6 hybrids. All XLO Signature-series AES/EBU (balanced) links for digital and analog, then bi-wired to the Apogees.

All in a purpose built room with Robert Harley's top choice dimensions of 10-14-19.

Before the Krell, I was driving the Concerto with an Exposure XX. Very smooth, but not quite enough power and the Concertos are abit power hungry.
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Robert Harley's top choice dimensions of 10-14-19. Tell me more??
That's one serious stuff you've got there mugenfoo...
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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jun 15 2008, 03:47 PM)
i am currently pairing Cable talk 4 cable to my Concertino.  =P
will proceed with more run in and report in how's the sound
anyway. grandspy. i am currently back to sarawak. and i shall contact you after i go back to KL by 26th =)
by then we discuss out a time for a mini gathering for ppl who loved sonus. =)
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I'm using a RM1 per meter red and white speaker cable blush.gif
The cables are the last thing that I'll look into. At least after I get a proper amp. They're more of a fine tuning stuff.


QUOTE(auronthas @ Jun 16 2008, 08:27 PM)
Some speaker cables are too 'transparent', too analytical, it make the soundstage dry.  It's subject to a person's taste.

As my post earlier, i like warm, neutral soundstage, that's why i choose SF speaker.  I am searching int. amp which can provide warm, neutral pair with SF, i will make some critical listening to Audio Analogue (Primo, Verdi, Puccini) to compare.
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Do report back to us on your findings please smile.gif
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post Jun 17 2008, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(auronthas @ Jun 17 2008, 11:24 AM)
Howdy grandspy, so long never hear from u. Where did u go?

Sure, i will report.  One of the weekend, i will make audition again in Perfect Hifi, but i would not buy int. amplifier until next year, so just take more time to make comparison.
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Same here... next year would be a good year to buy an amp smile.gif


QUOTE(kkthen @ Jun 17 2008, 11:34 AM)
The Cable  should not be last thing, It give much improvements  to my system  although i am using the cheap vintage int amp. Anyway try to find the cable as neutral as possible, avoid the cable which got network & strong characteristic, unless you want to tune your system.
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Hmm... I beg to differ. You should spend your money on cables after you get all your system in place, not before. The cables should suit the system, not the other way around.
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post Jun 23 2008, 12:45 AM

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The Guarneri? Used ones? The name itself makes my knees tremble. And I dare not ask how much.
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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jun 23 2008, 01:00 AM)
Guinarei hommage or Guinarei mommento?
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Err... it's Guarneri Homage / Memento
unless you're talking bout China made SF brows.gif
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QUOTE(mugenfoo @ Jun 23 2008, 02:00 AM)
hahaha.. RM13K, old stock clearance.  i doubt if its made in China...
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Nice price nod.gif
But still, way beyond me...

QUOTE(PcWork @ Jun 23 2008, 02:23 AM)
dun like that lah. u get what i mean mah..lol
ponosonic
sanny?
sonny?
=P
Guarneri = guanary.....
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me mean my typo lah
even cheapest Sonus faber were maded in ITALY...

then it's the guarneri Homage. older version...
which gives a really big hit on high end bookshelve market.. =P though momento were yet another bigger hit..
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Don't worry PcWork, I was just kidding you biggrin.gif
homage or memento, they still send me the shivers sweat.gif
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post Jul 22 2008, 12:18 AM

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wkfoong, thanks for the info.
If I were to go for Krell, I shall need to find a used unit. Anyone selling? biggrin.gif
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Had a good listen to the Bladelius amp today. Not the Thor but the much bigger brother. Still it gave some idea on characteristics of the amp. Tubey sounded it was indeed. And I did like it biggrin.gif

hasyrein, welcome!
PcWork, so when is the SF listening session? long time overdue.. wink.gif BTW the top of the range SF speakers gave me goosebumps all over sweat.gif
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QUOTE(PcWork @ Jul 28 2008, 09:48 AM)
after AV fair kok.. my fren is busy for av fair now.
he already agree that we have our mini sonus faber fan club gathering at his shop.
no we don't. but i was intended to hold a sonus faber gathering at hifi shop.
talking around. and ask shares some do and dont's on the sonus setup. =)
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Good news indeed PcWork! Now, if we could get 4-5 different amps to test drive the speakers... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(xtorm @ Jul 28 2008, 12:00 AM)
grandspy
can i bring a moded unison research simply 4 to your house to test out those beauty? tongue.gif but sonus faber needs good wattage right?
cunrrently paired with Opera Callas
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what exactly do you mean by moded? Don't want the amp to spoil/damage the speakers. Assuming it's driving the Operas with no problem at all, then it's fine, yes?

SF needs good current nod.gif


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A few months ago somebody was selling a used KAV-300i for less than 5K.

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