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post May 25 2008, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 25 2008, 08:09 AM)
Tube is the way to go for Sonus. Grandspy, going for Audio Note?
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Besides tube amplifier, is any good s/s integrated amplifier?

I am also looking a good s/s integrated amplifier to replace my CA 540A integrated amp., most probably SS for Sonus. Below are few that i have shortlisted, hope someone can give us some tips and recommendation to share: -

a) Krell KAV-400xi
b) Primare I30
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Update: delete (d) to (g), as grandspy had included in #1 of this thread

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post May 25 2008, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(kkthen @ May 25 2008, 08:19 AM)
McIntosh also good match

your shortlist is a bit strange!
roksan kandy is not same league with Krell KAV-400xi, Primare I30, how to compare? sweat.gif

In your list, Primare I30 is most musical, laid back, warm sound, but power not it strength.

Krell KAv-400xi is most powerful, neutral, honest, characteristic less. but some will feel not so musical.

If you like tube sound solid state powerful amp, I recommend you go to amcorp mall try the bladelius thor . one of popular int amp in malaysia now. smile.gif
You may be right, Roksan Kandy may not in the same price group as Krell, Primare, but i hv studied reviews, Roksan Kandy do provide sufficient power to drive SF concertino domus. Nevertheless, RK may not have adequate power to drive others high range SF compared to Krell, Primare. In short, Krell, Primare can last longer.

Are you talking about Bladelius Thor MKII?  It's quite expensive, almost RM 20K, right? How about italian made tube solid state integrated amplifier such as Unison Research Unico Line or Unico SE?

QUOTE(grandspy @ May 25 2008, 01:18 PM)
My extended list :
d) Musical Fidelity A300 (2nd hand)
e) Musical Fidelity A5 (if I can find it)
f) Krell KAV-300i (2nd hand)
g) Tubes??

I don't quite like the Roksan though..
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I may think twice on Roksan then. icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(grandspy @ May 25 2008, 01:50 AM)
The Placement:
How do you place your speakers? toe in? distance from walls? distance from each other? listening position?
I have a rather small listening 'room' (3m (w) x 4.2m (L) x 4m (H) , my speakers are placed 1.2m and 0.8m from rear wall and side wall respectively, my speakers distance are approx. 1.5 m apart. My listening position is 1.2m from speaker with slight toe in. (usually, the listen position shall be 1.5m (golden triangle rule), however it was recommend by SF R&D engineer - Dr. Pablo to position 0.3 m closer towards speakers)

QUOTE(grandspy @ May 25 2008, 01:50 AM)
The Accessories:
Speaker cables, Speaker stands, Spikes, etc.
Just bought Chord Carnival Silver Plus single wire speaker cables last week replacing Van den Hul Goldwater, still under burn-in period, bass and treble sound superbly well, however, i find midrange (vocal) a little bit dull, perhaps, after burn-in, it would be improved.

Normal and cheap speaker stands with 80% sand-filled on its columns and it comes with speaker spikes. Speaker stands are placed on 0.5 inch marbles with anti-vibrapod.

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post May 25 2008, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(grandspy @ May 25 2008, 10:00 PM)
What?? RM20K for the Bladelius Thor MKII? If I'm not mistaken, it's sold for USD3000 in the states.
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I saw Bladelius Thor MKII was listed 590,000 yen in Stereo Sound magazine, which is approximately RM 18k.


Added on May 25, 2008, 10:16 pm
QUOTE(kkthen @ May 25 2008, 09:04 PM)


Added on May 25, 2008, 9:12 pm

Why not Roksan caspian m1??
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I did not include Roksan Caspian M1 because its 70W/ch compared to Kandy MKIII's 120W/ch.

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post May 26 2008, 05:59 AM

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QUOTE(grandspy @ May 25 2008, 10:34 PM)
auronthas, I've updated some info on the 1st post if you don't mind.
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No problem, it's good to share among forumers and i want to know more from others too on your experience. icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on May 26, 2008, 6:02 am
QUOTE(ccschua @ May 25 2008, 11:43 PM)
Be careful of Krell 300i. its review is so so only with some weakness mentioned in the stereophile. Krell 400xi is a better improvement. Second price between 300i and 400xi is wide spread.
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I read Stereophile Editor-in-Chief, John Atkinson's measurement on Krell 400xi that he encountered overheating problem, hence, i worry if Krell 400xi can operate for long hour, or it may need a good ventilation system. Just my concern.

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post May 26 2008, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(kkthen @ May 26 2008, 10:57 AM)

It will be good match with your Cambridge audio CD player. even better  than 640a.  last time the dealer demo 640c + kandy far better than 640c + 640a.
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Thanks for info. Was the demo on SFCD speakers?
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post May 27 2008, 08:54 PM

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How about Exposure 3010s (110w/ch - around RM 8k)
integrated amp pairing with SFCD? Read review from Audioart (Taiwan hifi magazine #232) also June 2008 Stereophile magazine reviewed by Art Dudley, not bad though. It's UK design

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post May 29 2008, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(grandspy @ May 28 2008, 10:02 PM)
Hmm... so many amps to choose from. I came across a cute Italian made Synthesis tube amp the other day.. but I've got no idea how it sounds like. Pretty difficult when you can't have a demo with your own speakers.. I might just end up with my old Technics amp... har har har!

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Haven't heard about Italian made Synthesis, but i heard Unison Research, another italian made tube amplifier used to test with SF speakers (heard from Perfect Hifi), anyone?

Agree with u, Grandspy, it's hard to choose amplifiers as listed, need to pair with your source and SFGP/SFCD and make some audition. Not sure if Perfect Hi-FI has various listed amplifiers to test? Hopefully, they can bring some amplifiers to my home to test. icon_idea.gif

Also, thought of purchase Benchmark DAC1 to bypass CA 540C and Squeezebox internal DAC, will be the upgrading DAC has more improvement compared with amplifier? hmm.gif

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post May 29 2008, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(kkthen @ May 29 2008, 08:38 PM)
Benchmark DAC1 is good dac, But you need use good quality digital cable. For hifi, Source is very important. sometimes It may more improvement compared with amplifier.
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Thanks for yr opinion, kkthen.

Great, i have made some review and comparison among decent DACs such as Benchmark DAC1, Lavry DA10, Bel Canto DAC3, PS Audio Digital Link III DAC, etc. Benchmark DAC1 still the most valuable one.

What's your recommendaed digital coaxial interconnect? How much? Is digital coaxial better than SPDIF/toslink?

Cheers

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post May 31 2008, 03:40 AM

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QUOTE(kkthen @ May 30 2008, 05:40 PM)

In my system, stereovox is the best, second is Glass toslink, third is acoustic zen.

Cost/performance Glass toslink is best in my system.
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Wow, kkthen, what a review. Thanks for providing detail review for my consideration.

What's your hifi setup like, perhaps can share with us. smile.gif

Cheers.
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post Jun 1 2008, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 31 2008, 06:24 PM)
I thought Exposure is very suitable for Epos spkrs?
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I hv no idea. You may be right, I heard Exposure 2010s is a good buy integrated amplifier.

Just read review from Stereophile on new Exposure 3010s integrated amplifier, it may not available here yet to make any audition.
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post Jun 9 2008, 06:00 PM

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I have made audition at Perfect Hifi with Audio Analogue Primo Settanta SS integrated amplifier paired with SF concertino domus lately, they sound superbly warm, but when they played track 1 - Bali Runof Four Play album, i noticed some music instruments at certain frequencies (upper bass i think) are mess around, have you guys has the same experience?

I was introduced also higher range AA Verdi Settanta (hybrid) integrated amp and AA Puccini Settanta integrated amp, unfortunately i have no time for audition or 'paisei', may be will listen to them next trip.

I understand a powerful amp will drive less sensitive 4 ohm speaker like SF and make the sound warmer, deeper, and clear.

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post Jun 15 2008, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(advanceNissan @ Jun 14 2008, 11:53 AM)
I did go there and listened to this setup, but I think Perfect Hi-Fi didn't set it up properly. I heard the cable not really match the system. If change to other cable, the sound will be better.
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Great to know you also notice it. smile.gif

Are you talking about speaker cable? It looks like Van den Hul, guess it's Royal Jade, dark green one.

My previous speaker cable was VDH Goldwater, i have changed to Chord Carnival Silver Plus last month (run in around 60 hours now), it gives a more neutral and warm soundstage. Love it.




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post Jun 16 2008, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(advanceNissan @ Jun 16 2008, 11:17 AM)
That day I listened one I think it was a pair of Transparent Cable, not VDH. But I still think it did not match the system. I think a pair of speaker cable that can "hold back" a little bit of detail will be more control.
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Some speaker cables are too 'transparent', too analytical, it make the soundstage dry. It's subject to a person's taste.

As my post earlier, i like warm, neutral soundstage, that's why i choose SF speaker. I am searching int. amp which can provide warm, neutral pair with SF, i will make some critical listening to Audio Analogue (Primo, Verdi, Puccini) to compare.
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post Jun 17 2008, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(grandspy @ Jun 17 2008, 09:19 AM)
Do report back to us on your findings please  smile.gif
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Howdy grandspy, so long never hear from u. Where did u go?

Sure, i will report. One of the weekend, i will make audition again in Perfect Hifi, but i would not buy int. amplifier until next year, so just take more time to make comparison.

Btw, last week i bought AudioQuest Copperhead analogue interconnect replacing my old Daytona analogue interconnect, after run-in for 50 hours, it sounds superbly great, warm, can match with VDH the Source. Anyone has any good/bad feedback on AQ, please share.

Cheers.
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post Jul 11 2008, 11:46 PM

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Krell is definitely well match but it is way above my budget.

But i heard Audio Analogue Puccini Settanta is quite well match with Sonus Faber speakers. Due to busy schedule, i still have no chance to make audition.

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Added on July 11, 2008, 11:49 pm
QUOTE(wkfoong @ Jul 11 2008, 12:19 AM)
I have a Krell KAV-400xi on (not on standby, but actually on) 24 hours a day, most of the day without aircon. Yes, it runs quite warm, but it's great sounding.

John Atkinson's test is actually running 67W continuously at 8 ohms. In any case, at that kind of power levels, you have to be listening at really, really deafening/high levels and using very inefficient speakers (85DB/W/m or lower) with low impedance. In the real-world, you should be having no issues and wonderful sound instead, as what Wes Phillips discovered.

Full review here: http://stereophile.com/integratedamps/205krell/

BTW, the KAV-400xi is a good match with the SF Concerto Domus and Grand Piano Domus.  biggrin.gif
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Well noted, thanks for clarification to all of us. smile.gif



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post Jul 22 2008, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(Tachikoma @ Jul 22 2008, 01:26 PM)
Definitely audition them... I've heard an audio analogue amp and CD + sonus faber bookshelf setup at a shop a few days ago, and it was kinda "mushy and tubey" sounding to my ears. Granted, the conditions were FAR from ideal.
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Thanks for feedback, so you like 'tube' sound? are u listening to AA Primo?

I like more natural sound rather than analytical (sharp) as long as the music instruments are well defined especially classical music and jazz.
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post Jul 27 2008, 02:57 AM

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QUOTE(wkfoong @ Jul 11 2008, 12:19 AM)

BTW, the KAV-400xi is a good match with the SF Concerto Domus and Grand Piano Domus.  biggrin.gif
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is KAV-300i (150W@8 ohm) good match with SF Concertino Domus? How much is KAV-300i?
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post Jul 30 2008, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(mugenfoo @ Jul 30 2008, 03:55 PM)
BTW, who is the SF dealer in Klang Valley now ah ?
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Perfect HIFI
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post Jul 30 2008, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(mugenfoo @ Jul 29 2008, 01:03 AM)
this is maybe coz Krell amps are sounding on the "harsh" side. Whereas SFs are on the "polite" smooth side. It could be a yin-yang synergy thingy between Krell and SFs . hahahahahahahaha
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After visiting Norman Audio's Krell product on recent KLAV show, looking eagerly drool.gif on this amp now, as the price of Krell KAV400xi dropped below RM10k.

Would try to audition on the amp with SFCD. Any SF fan club members have done this setup and audition? What's your feedback?


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post Aug 1 2008, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(PcWork @ Aug 1 2008, 12:55 PM)
i tested krell. not sure which model. but it's intergrated in perfect hifi.
pair with my own pair of SFCD. seriously nice.
speed. transparencies. smooth is top notch i ever heard from my own speaker.
the only amp that i like more than the krell is audio research. it's matching my personal taste more.
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if i have a chance and perfect hifi has Krell KAV 400xi, i would like to do a critical listening if it suit my taste (jazz, classical, new age) not fast pace music pairing with my SFCD. thanks for sharing your experience, pcwork

If i can bring Krell back to my home for test audition, that will be superb (My dream), as other components such as speaker cables, analogue cables, surely provide different result from hifi shop.

Not like country in US that you can bring home to test with certain written agreement. I hope to see the first hifi shop in Malaysia can offer this.

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