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post May 24 2008, 09:10 PM, updated 18y ago

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Old thread: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/478741

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eh new threads?? y?


Added on May 24, 2008, 9:46 pmso fast lol....

1k sticks can tahan for how long normally?

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I read you use the sate stick to whole the parts up while painting. What about the parts that kena clip? I currently using all the surgical tools I got from the operating theatre, haha. But the part where the forceps hold, abit susah to paint.
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I use satay stick with tack it...
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if u want to rescue the "biji biji" part, it all depends on how much has actually melted.

usually if the texture of the paint + plastic melt is already dry, it could be possible to use sandpaper to sand it down smoothly. However, that only can be done if the melting "biji biji" isnt serious.
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hi all, may i know what Mr. Hobby color code is use for the gattling gun head.. kinda shinny and nice..
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bro just use the gundam marker CHROME price at rm 15..
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but gundam marker u nid skills to do until it looks so shiny or else the colour nt balance one...
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just shake it for 3 minutes or more before applying it.. then it should be alright..
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its not that hard once you get the hang of it.. like airbrush also..

first its hard.. then you master it.. muahhaahaha
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well of course haha... hei naskie u say the metallic chrome gundam marker priced at RM15 ah? lol i bought mine for more than RM15 lol... but mine is not CHROME GUNDAM MARKER, its BM06(300)... same reflective brightness compare to the CHROME GUNDAM MARKER if u ask me...

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example of the result using this marker...
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the gundam marker is GM 100 (300).. chrome..
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mine also chrome...

herez the picture of it><
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some say special edition wrapper some say event edition... lol but i believe it is event edition la cuz of the WGP BAKUSEED logo there haha
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mine also chrome...

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some say special edition wrapper some say event edition... lol but i believe it is event edition la cuz of the WGP BAKUSEED logo there haha
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yea this one i know but that time only has that so i buy lor since my friend told me it has the same brightness compared to the gundam marker one^^ now only my place here gt stock like yours ad...


Added on May 25, 2008, 10:37 pmi wondering whey there isn't any gold chrome gundam marker ah?


Added on May 26, 2008, 1:15 amhi i would like to ask somethin, for comparison between MG Zeta unicorn and Zeta 2.0, which is better and more worth?

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hi all, normally how you all clear the mistake after paint the gundam? i mean after i paint with the mr color paint i feel not nice i wan repaint how to wash out the paint ar?
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@KingKo: I just paint my primer on again and repaint, haha, Lazy person's way. If the sifus got the CORRECT way, I wan to know also.

One question here: Can we spray overcoat over the decals? Will the decals melt or something?

And finally, I've finished painting, but all the remaining paint, how to store without them drying out? The next time I use them would be probably end of the year.
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hi all, normally how you all clear the mistake after paint the gundam? i mean after i paint with the mr color paint i feel not nice i wan repaint how to wash out the paint ar?
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QUOTE(Lucifer_Light @ May 26 2008, 05:40 PM)
@KingKo: I just paint my primer on again and repaint, haha, Lazy person's way. If the sifus got the CORRECT way, I wan to know also.

One question here: Can we spray overcoat over the decals? Will the decals melt or something?

And finally, I've finished painting, but all the remaining paint, how to store without them drying out? The next time I use them would be probably end of the year.
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the correct way if u wan to repaint is......... use hobby thinner(not too much) to clean the paint and then sand it again until it's smooth then prime it and paint it again... tat shud be the way but lot of work doh.gif

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it is ok to spray topcoat over the decals, no harm done... decals wun melt so easily unless thinner la of cos smile.gif
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kingko>> memang alot of work... thats y becareful when painting...

lucifier>> u can store ur paint in a separate empty clean paint bottle lor if a bit only then u can pour back into ur original paint bottle la.. no side effect one if u store properly....


Added on May 27, 2008, 12:26 amwalau hei i wan to ask ah... my painted skeleton of mg freedom joint parts' paint come out when i fix up the outer armour on it and move it... liao la now the whole paint part on the joint ruined ad... lol how ah?

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QUOTE(siawgu @ May 25 2008, 01:29 PM)
hi all, may i know what Mr. Hobby color code is use for the gattling gun head.. kinda shinny and nice..
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Besides marker, can try gunze's metalizer paint. comes with a few color like chrome silver, burn iron and such. the paint is very very liquid, so can apint with a brush. then wait till it's dry, use soft cloth to buff or wipe it lightly, voila! u got chrome like effect.

except chrome silver, which is already light in color before you wipe it, other colors u can create very unique effect. Paint on parts with surface with details, like a car rim or a thruster with lines for example. after the paint dry, u lightly wipe it and u ll find areas u wiped become very chrome like while places where ur cloth cant reach still remain dark. U dont even need panel lineing. and the effect is natural!

Only drawback of these type of paint is,

1. it wont last long few months or a year u ll notice it slowly turn darker. much faster than marker paint.

2. cannot and no need top coat. if u did, u ll find suddenly the silver not silver anymore (Pardon my english tongue.gif )

3. The paint is weak, easily scratch. so no playing with your kits.

This is one common method used by people especially for competition, the effect is the next best thing after real metal and where the kit wont display too long,

Try it out, it's very fun. biggrin.gif


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Added on May 27, 2008, 12:26 amwalau hei i wan to ask ah... my painted skeleton of mg freedom joint parts' paint come out when i fix up the outer armour on it and move it... liao la now the whole paint part on the joint ruined ad... lol how ah?
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few ways to prevent paint chipping:

number one rule: dont play with your kit. u can slightly adjust your kit to the pose u want to display, and do it carefully, but not like twisting it and trying out different pose. should at least confirm the pose before u paint.

If moving is inevitable, like in magazine the model need to change pose for photography purposes, normally the japanese modellers will do modding. Study carefully on your current kit which part that scratches other parts. For example a hand. easiest part for paint scratch is the joint, at both sides, usually the upper arm connection side. because there r 2 pieces of plastic from the upper arm inner frame clam tightly with the joint. So need to make that particular part in the upper arm frame slightly thinner, so they wont touch the joint at all. then u wont get paint scratch lor biggrin.gif

My english is bad, and i m quite sleepy now, hope i make it clear enough tongue.gif

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Like wat rayloke said paint will chip off one, even u used the best technology like those car paint, u will also get ur paint scratch or chipped off if it was knock or scratch by something else......

So they is no 100% way to prevent thise stuff frm happening, u either dun play with it or just dun paint it!

If u really want to paint it and still play with it...... then u will need to wash ur kit with detergent (clear of the chemicals and the stain of oil frm ur oily hand), applied the primer layer and let it dried (then same prevent ur oily hand to touch those stuff), applied ur paint, then in the end applied the layer of topcoat.....
If u did it all nicely the paint wouldnt chip off easily but as i mention earlier it will still chip off, areas like the combination of 2 armor or joints will still chip off if u play with it a lot. Just not so easily onli.....
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Thanks for all the informations... cause I bought Mr. Hobby Aluminiume Color but it ez to fade out when you touch it..
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lol just now what i did is repaint the paint chipping parts and cover it with top coat lor... but as rayloke mentioned, i will try to wider the white outer armor parts that clam on the joint parts to prevent it from scratching each other tomorrow haha... thx yea...
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Guys i have a very annoying problem here.... i mixed Mr. Color's Super Black and Flat White at a 1:3 ratio... along with thinner and retarder... i mixed these in a large amount and keep them in a separate bottle.

When i want to use it for hand painting, i notice that when the paint dry, it look like " webs " !! Its like the thing didnt dry properly then leave webs or sumthing like that... no matter how many times i stir or shake the paint still dry into webs when i handpaint... need help ! Thnx !

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maybe u should add somemore thinner into it to make it back to the oiriginal state?
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Noob question (lol): when you use gundam markers to paint, how easy is it to remove the wet paint if you've made a mistake?

For example, when you use the gundam marker to do panel lining, it is easy to just wipe off the excess with your thumb or a wet cloth.

Can the same be done with the paint markers?
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QUOTE(noob4life @ May 27 2008, 10:04 PM)
Guys i have a very annoying problem here.... i mixed Mr. Color's Super Black and Flat White at a 1:3 ratio... along with thinner and retarder... i mixed these in a large amount and keep them in a separate bottle.

When i want to use it for hand painting, i notice that when the paint dry, it look like " webs " !!  Its like the thing didnt dry properly then leave webs or sumthing like that... no matter how many times i stir or shake the paint still dry into webs when i handpaint... need help ! Thnx !

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not much experience with it....but most of the paint that i mixed together all will dried up easily even if u use those special container (MR Hobby one) to store them......guess u still have to mix them when u really want them!
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QUOTE(jhcj @ May 27 2008, 10:54 PM)
Noob question (lol): when you use gundam markers to paint, how easy is it to remove the wet paint if you've made a mistake?

For example, when you use the gundam marker to do panel lining, it is easy to just wipe off the excess with your thumb or a wet cloth.

Can the same be done with the paint markers?
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can but ur hand will get bloody dirty frm that^^ if cloth then jialat lor cuz paint...
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i tot alclad2 metalic or chrome paints quite good?
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Question from a newbie,

To do a repaint on a Revoltech Convoy, if possible, what kind of paint should i use?

Since i'm only a beginner, budget and user friendly method would be a better start? Any recommendationg?

Thanks
ps thinking of repainting it to a nemesis
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QUOTE(jhcj @ May 27 2008, 11:54 PM)
Noob question (lol): when you use gundam markers to paint, how easy is it to remove the wet paint if you've made a mistake?

For example, when you use the gundam marker to do panel lining, it is easy to just wipe off the excess with your thumb or a wet cloth.

Can the same be done with the paint markers?
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it be a little bit difficult.. but you can always scratch the part where you dont want the paint.. if you wipe maybe on even surface.. but on uneven surface its kinda hard
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QUOTE(Naskie @ May 28 2008, 10:15 AM)
it be a little bit difficult.. but you can always scratch the part where you dont want the paint.. if you wipe maybe on even surface.. but on uneven surface its kinda hard
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Yar this is why I'm a little afraid to start painting...cause me noob laugh.gif

Hmm..maybe I try to use some masking tape to cover those areas I dont want to paint and see... doh.gif
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QUOTE(300078 @ May 27 2008, 10:55 PM)
not much experience with it....but most of the paint that i mixed together all will dried up easily even if u use those special container (MR Hobby one) to store them......guess u still have to mix them when u really want them!
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Errr its not that it dries up easily... arrghhh i dunno how to explain how it looks like ... lol... it just looks like " webs " ... and the painted surface isnt smooth... can feel the " webs " when u touch it.... SWT. Sorry but thats the best explanation i can give.... cry.gif cry.gif

I cant take pic too cuz its too fine to catch on my lousy cam... lol... thnx for the reply anyway. >.<
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if thers web appear on ur model after u AB, it means your paint is still too pekat and need to add somemore thinner to it...


Added on May 28, 2008, 10:08 pmhow many layers of top coat should i spray on my mg freedom so the paint won't chips off? i use AB one not direct from the can cause the nozzle really sucks... (i spray the top coat into the small cup on the air brush then i spray on my kit like spray paint like that... please note that it's kinda thin...)

besides, can recommend any sites for air compressor maintenance tips?


Added on May 28, 2008, 11:02 pmguys, is that possible to mix tamiya acrylic paint with mr hobby thinner or tamiya thinner mix with mr hobby lacquer paint? if cannot may i know what will happen?

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QUOTE(jhcj @ May 27 2008, 10:54 PM)
Noob question (lol): when you use gundam markers to paint, how easy is it to remove the wet paint if you've made a mistake?

For example, when you use the gundam marker to do panel lining, it is easy to just wipe off the excess with your thumb or a wet cloth.

Can the same be done with the paint markers?
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tissue paper works biggrin.gif

im also noobie in gunpla but the panel lining isnt as tough as you may think biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ May 28 2008, 05:08 PM)
if thers web appear on ur model after u AB, it means your paint is still too pekat and need to add somemore thinner to it...


Added on May 28, 2008, 10:08 pmhow many layers of top coat should i spray on my mg freedom so the paint won't chips off? i use AB one not direct from the can cause the nozzle really sucks... (i spray the top coat into the small cup on the air brush then i spray on my kit like spray paint like that... please note that it's kinda thin...)

besides, can recommend any sites for air compressor maintenance tips?


Added on May 28, 2008, 11:02 pmguys, is that possible to mix tamiya acrylic paint with mr hobby thinner or tamiya thinner mix with mr hobby lacquer paint? if cannot may i know what will happen?
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Err i handpaint, bro... i dont airbrush.. biggrin.gif Still got webs appear... hahaha.

Actually top coat 1 coat enuf d la... you cant make ur kit 100% chip -free.... its bound to chip if u like to play alot... i rarely see ppl double coat. Wont it be too thick ?


Tamiya dont have lacquer, btw... so u cant possibly mix Mr. Color Thinner with Tamiya's ENAMEL or ACRYLIC paints... the only lacquer tamiya has is spray cans....

Tamiya's acrylic just use water to thin it... same goes to mr hobby's acrylic ( flat cap )... You can use mr Hobby color thinner for both brands... since were talking about ACRYLIC paints here.

Mr. Hobby's Lacquer ( mohawk cap ) must thin with Mr. Color Thinner....

Tamiya's Enamel must thin with TAmiya Enamel Thinner, obviously lol...

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QUOTE(jhcj @ May 27 2008, 10:54 PM)
Noob question (lol): when you use gundam markers to paint, how easy is it to remove the wet paint if you've made a mistake?

For example, when you use the gundam marker to do panel lining, it is easy to just wipe off the excess with your thumb or a wet cloth.

Can the same be done with the paint markers?
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Ok, i also got 1 Noob question.. What if i painted with the GM10 Black Gundam Marker, then leave it for a period it dried liao, then what should i use to remove the paint ? Can it be done using Gundam Marker Remover?

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QUOTE(Jicco @ May 28 2008, 02:42 AM)
Question from a newbie,

To do a repaint on a Revoltech Convoy, if possible, what kind of paint should i use?

Since i'm only a beginner, budget and user friendly method would be a better start? Any recommendationg?

Thanks
ps thinking of repainting it to a nemesis
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those revoltech stuffs are basically made fr pvc (check the box, usually they'll indicate the material used for the action figure)
if it's pvc, try get a metal primer (from either gunze or tamiya)
after coating it only u can paint it easily. otherwise the paint hard to stick..


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QUOTE(jhcj @ May 27 2008, 10:54 PM)
Noob question (lol): when you use gundam markers to paint, how easy is it to remove the wet paint if you've made a mistake?

For example, when you use the gundam marker to do panel lining, it is easy to just wipe off the excess with your thumb or a wet cloth.

Can the same be done with the paint markers?
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bro.. dun do like dat if u intended to have a clean line.
when u use markers, it's mean to be wipe of when dry not wet.
if it's wet, it's hard to prevent smearing and smuldging..
most gundam markers are easily removed by erasers, worse, use alcohols (or methylated spirit) if u only do lining on bare plastic.
for painted surface (assume acrylic), better use enamel wash/inking.

if u painted with acrylic and stil insist on marker lining, get it top-coat with gloss to protect the paint layer.
then only do lining, clean up with alcohol (be gentle), finish of wth matt or satin (to your liking) smile.gif

hope it helps..


Added on May 29, 2008, 7:43 pmadditional.. if u finish off with lacquer then no need top coat prior to marker lining.

all surface has to be smooth preferably gloss if u intend to have a clean line.. rough surface is very hard to clean up..

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QUOTE(erh_teo @ May 29 2008, 07:35 PM)
those revoltech stuffs are basically made fr pvc (check the box, usually they'll indicate the material used for the action figure)
if it's pvc, try get a metal primer (from either gunze or tamiya)
after coating it only u can paint it easily. otherwise the paint hard to stick..


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bro.. dun do like dat if u intended to have a clean line.
when u use markers, it's mean to be wipe of when dry not wet.
if it's wet, it's hard to prevent smearing and smuldging..
most gundam markers are easily removed by erasers, worse, use alcohols (or methylated spirit) if u only do lining on bare plastic.
for painted surface (assume acrylic), better use enamel wash/inking.

if u painted with acrylic and stil insist on marker lining, get it top-coat with gloss to protect the paint layer.
then only do lining, clean up with alcohol (be gentle), finish of wth matt or satin (to your liking) smile.gif

hope it helps..


Added on May 29, 2008, 7:43 pmadditional.. if u finish off with lacquer then no need top coat prior to marker lining.

all surface has to be smooth preferably gloss if u intend to have a clean line.. rough surface is very hard to clean up..
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ah thanks for this useful tip. now i know whats goin wrong with all the smearing and smudging (if you checked my posted exia/kyrios on the in progress/gallery thread, from the high Q pics that allow clear close ups, the smearing/smudgings are pretty visible sweat.gif )
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QUOTE(noob4life @ May 29 2008, 01:13 AM)
Err i handpaint, bro... i dont airbrush..  biggrin.gif    Still got webs appear... hahaha.

Actually top coat 1 coat enuf d la... you cant make ur kit 100% chip -free.... its bound to chip if u like to play alot... i rarely see ppl double coat. Wont it be too thick ?
Tamiya dont have lacquer, btw... so u cant possibly mix Mr.  Color Thinner with Tamiya's ENAMEL or ACRYLIC paints... the only lacquer tamiya has is spray cans....

Tamiya's acrylic just use water to thin it... same goes to mr hobby's acrylic ( flat cap )... You can use mr Hobby color thinner for both brands... since were talking about ACRYLIC paints here.

Mr. Hobby's Lacquer ( mohawk cap ) must thin with Mr. Color Thinner....

Tamiya's Enamel must thin with TAmiya Enamel Thinner, obviously lol...
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dude i would like to ask about your line 2 and 3... in line 2, u say i cant possibly mix mr colour thinner with tamiya's ACRYLIC paints but in line 3, u say mr colour thinner can mix with ACRYLIC paints from both mr colour and tamiya brand.... both saying the opposite facts le...

so, which is true now?
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ May 29 2008, 11:39 PM)
dude i would like to ask about your line 2 and 3... in line 2, u say i cant possibly mix mr colour thinner with tamiya's ACRYLIC paints but in line 3, u say mr colour thinner can mix with ACRYLIC paints from both mr colour and tamiya brand.... both saying the opposite facts le...

so, which is true now?
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in line 2 he is referring to mr color lacquer thinner ...... line 3 he is referring to mr color acrylic thinner .......
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can someone help i 'm thinking to build a diorama house


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post May 30 2008, 01:27 PM

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Errm to clarify my previous post... im using the ORIGINAL names of the thinner...

MR. COLOR THINNER is used to thin lacquer paints.

EXAMPLE : http://www.xl-shop.com/xlshop/pages/produc...ctId=MRH-545817



MR. HOBBY COLOR THINNER is used to thin acrylics.

EXAMPLE : http://www.xl-shop.com/xlshop/pages/produc...uctId=HC-519495



Clear ? smile.gif Take note of the names.... tongue.gif



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wana ask is oil based paint = laquer ???
ididnt notice Mr.color paint is oil based last time ,waster few ml of paint after i add tamiya thinner into causing it to cluttered shocking.gif shocking.gif rclxub.gif and wasted a metal painting pan rclxub.gif

hmmm and the mr hobby water based paint not that really can mixed with water sweat.gif sweat.gif after i add some water got some "tindak balas" like boiling hot water brows.gif but wasted the paint doh.gif .....i saw this from a hobby meg ask us to add water.... so i guess malaysian water is different from japanese water hmm.gif hmm.gif

anyway, water based still need thinner.....

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After the tindakbalas wat happened to the paint ? Cannot use liao ? Just curious. =P

I mix with tap water before leh... and it works fine for me lol. Maybe ur water contaminated or sumthing ?


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QUOTE(noob4life @ May 30 2008, 01:44 PM)
After the tindakbalas wat happened to the paint ? Cannot use liao ?  Just curious. =P

I mix with tap water before leh... and it works fine for me lol.  Maybe ur water contaminated or sumthing ?
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lol strange......hmmm hmm.gif after tindak balas.....the colour become darker.....then u wait for around 10 min the colur will become powder and sink under water......suddenly like doin school experiment pula laugh.gif laugh.gif
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use mineral water la...
tap water sometimes more chlorine..
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ya it hink your place just undergo some maintenance one.. so the level of chlorine in the water is high...
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hi i have a few question lerr about the mr.color

for the lacquer or the acrylics better ler...??

cos lacquer u need tinner to thin it right.

then the acrylics use water to thin it right.

which 1 is better lerr ? can enlighten me on this arr ??

cos current i got the lacquer type ( mohawk cap )
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do some reading..
http://www.naritafamily.com/howto/paint.htm

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Been looking for paints to start off my repainting projects.

it seems like these paints are not easy to find. XL shop Mid Valley, Toy City HQ and Branches, few other toy shops....basic colors like flat black, and such seems to be hard to find.

Any sifu here know about the best place to go? like a One Stop place to get all the tools i need?

Thanks
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QUOTE(Jicco @ May 31 2008, 02:02 AM)
Been looking for paints to start off my repainting projects.

it seems like these paints are not easy to find. XL shop Mid Valley, Toy City HQ and Branches, few other toy shops....basic colors like flat black, and such seems to be hard to find.

Any sifu here know about the best place to go? like a One Stop place to get all the tools i need?

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toy city mostly sells tamiya acrylic color only... XL shop mid valley sell things damn bloody exp... if u want a great varieties of paint to choose, go to AF HOBBY Shop at Ampang... U can get all the tools + paints there... the boss is familiar with all the paints and tools so if u not sure u can get some recommendation from him...


Added on May 31, 2008, 10:50 pmguys. a fully painted MG freedom kit can sell how much ah? 100% paint original animation colour, no weathering + 0% sticker usage...

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ARGH!!!! I'm having problems with putting on decals.

I think the decals I got with my kit is very old because the paintwork got cracks in it and when I soak the decal... the one straight line become cebis cebis dee... it's that normal? Or am I doing it wrongly.

I've read a lot of sites and I follow bulat bulat what they did.
1. Cut out the decal from the sheet.
2. Soak in lukewarm distill water for 10 secs (until paper curl)
3. Place the decal + paper on tissue paper to let the back dry abit and then put on model.
4. While the decal swimming in the water on the back paper, push the decal onto the model.
5. Once in place, use tissue paper to blot the excess water.

My problem is, once I put the decal in the water, straight away hancur. Is it something wrong I'm doing? All the small small decal can use, but the big ones having problems. I'm currently doing an aircraft carrier (1/720) and the longest decal is about 15cm. I've tried cutting them to shorter lengths and then jigsawpuzzle them back together, but did not work.

What else can I do? When I look at the paint on the decal, I can cracks in them. That's not good right?

On the side note, where can I buy just decals alone? I'm looking for a Revell Nimitz CVN-68 model. I don't mind buying them online, but I google and google and still cannot find any site.
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r u sure those decals are water slides???
dun mistaken them....
water slides, the paper background is blue...
dry decals are transparent... hmm.gif
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hey guyz~ biggrin.gif im thinking of building a beach theme artificial landskape

anyone can give me some heads up on how to do it?
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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Jun 2 2008, 08:16 PM)
r u sure those decals are water slides???
dun mistaken them....
water slides, the paper background is blue...
dry decals are transparent... hmm.gif
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eh? but according to the manual, they say [soak and apply decals].

My background is not transparent, it's brownish yellow and the back paper is like cardboard consistency. I don't think it is dry decal.

This is the first time I heard of dry decals. Will google it and see.

edit: Googled it and found out that it is terbalik and you just rub the decal on. Mine is not terbalik (the number 68 is not terbalik, haha). I really think it is just old... (printed on 1988 according to the copyright sign). Anyway to save it?

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Did anyone ever come across with Pelikan Plaka paints? I know Parkson Grand did sell these products but in Ipoh branch they didn't sell Plaka matt water-based varnish.

If anyone did counter this product please let me know where can I get the Plaka varnish around KL. Thank you.

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QUOTE(Wolf516 @ Jun 2 2008, 08:58 PM)
hey guyz~ biggrin.gif im thinking of building a beach theme artificial landskape

anyone can give me some heads up on how to do it?
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wow... i also wan to do one le... hmm.gif

QUOTE(Lucifer_Light @ Jun 2 2008, 09:07 PM)
eh? but according to the manual, they say [soak and apply decals].

My background is not transparent, it's brownish yellow and the back paper is like cardboard consistency. I don't think it is dry decal.

This is the first time I heard of dry decals. Will google it and see.

edit: Googled it and found out that it is terbalik  and you just rub the decal on. Mine is not terbalik (the number 68 is not terbalik, haha). I really think it is just old... (printed on 1988 according to the copyright sign). Anyway to save it?
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hmm... maybe like u said lo coz it's very old... 1st time i did water slides tat time, no problem at all...
actually no nid soak so long one... mine less than 10 sec then put on the place.. slide it out.. biggrin.gif
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yo guyz...do u use surfacer (mr surfacer) to check for any defect??mean after u mod,cut thisn that,doing seam removing,then use surfacer to check any defect,n if not satisfied,do some correction,n surface again,until satisfied?? or use the surfacer juz b4 painting,for the defects u all can correct it even without using surfacer.....juz asking coz don hav any talent in doing moding or cut this n that,usually after doin that i'll surface it to check for the defect,than repair it, surface again till i'm satisfied...somtime feel that it is not such an efficient way coz use lot of surfacer..huhu

by da way,donno whether this stuff has been discused b4... smile.gif ,if yes sory for repeating it back....

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QUOTE(darth.lie @ Jun 4 2008, 12:45 AM)
yo guyz...do u use surfacer (mr surfacer) to check for any defect??mean after u mod,cut thisn that,doing seam removing,then use surfacer to check any defect,n if not satisfied,do some correction,n surface again,until satisfied?? or use the surfacer juz b4 painting,for the defects u all can correct it even without using surfacer.....juz asking coz don hav any talent in doing moding or cut this n that,usually after doin that i'll surface it to check for the defect,than repair it, surface again till i'm satisfied...somtime feel that it is not such an efficient way coz use lot of surfacer..huhu

by da way,donno whether this stuff has been discused b4... smile.gif ,if yes sory for repeating it back....
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that is the correct way if u plan to mod... if u just repaint then surface 1 time enuff d ma unless still can see seam lines.. smile.gif
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Hey guys, not too sure whether is this the right place to ask but can anyone help answer my question here? its regarding the pricing of an airbrush kit and compressor. Solely relying on spray paint cans is seriously burning a hole in my wallet. can you guys help me out here? pls?
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QUOTE(darth.lie @ Jun 4 2008, 12:45 AM)
yo guyz...do u use surfacer (mr surfacer) to check for any defect??mean after u mod,cut thisn that,doing seam removing,then use surfacer to check any defect,n if not satisfied,do some correction,n surface again,until satisfied?? or use the surfacer juz b4 painting,for the defects u all can correct it even without using surfacer.....juz asking coz don hav any talent in doing moding or cut this n that,usually after doin that i'll surface it to check for the defect,than repair it, surface again till i'm satisfied...somtime feel that it is not such an efficient way coz use lot of surfacer..huhu

by da way,donno whether this stuff has been discused b4... smile.gif ,if yes sory for repeating it back....
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basically yes, u can prime the surface to check error, cause any small uneven surface will be revealed once u spray surfacer on top. but no need every round la, try to check defects with bare eyes 1st, only when u r very happy with the result, then use surfacer to double chaeck again, like that u wont waste so much lor..... smile.gif
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here

fichtenfoo.com

by the ways... its an expensive method and u waste a lot of surfacer just for that...so think wise if u r a budgeted modeler...


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QUOTE(siawgu @ May 25 2008, 01:29 PM)
hi all, may i know what Mr. Hobby color code is use for the gattling gun head.. kinda shinny and nice..
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FYI, that specific item was AB with Mr.COLOR SUPER METALLIC:SM07 PLATE SILVER
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i'm currently building my clear version Freedom gundam and noticed that those nip marks are really annoying esp if its on the clear parts. I even overdid myself on nipping and trimming some of the leftover sprues on the parts cry.gif
Need advice on how to properly clean the nip marks without leaving much ugly scratch marks.
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jun 5 2008, 01:21 AM)
here

fichtenfoo.com

by the ways... its an expensive method and u waste a lot of surfacer just for that...so think wise if u r a budgeted modeler...
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u can always use those small bottle Surfacer instead of those spraycans tat is if u got AB

QUOTE(ezCISS @ Jun 6 2008, 03:13 AM)
FYI, that specific item was AB with Mr.COLOR SUPER METALLIC:SM07 PLATE SILVER
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but i heard a lot comments about those superchrome color getting dull very fast....they do last long!
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QUOTE(MyKy44 @ Jun 6 2008, 06:19 PM)
^er, on your last line, they don't last long is it?
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the chrome shinny effect tends to oxide through time....and they aint anyway to prevent it!
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how bout alclad chrome paints? is it good and isit in malaysia?
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QUOTE(markiemark @ Jun 6 2008, 12:29 PM)
i'm currently building my clear version Freedom gundam and noticed that those nip marks are really annoying esp if its on the clear parts.  I even overdid myself on nipping and trimming some of the leftover sprues on the parts  cry.gif
Need advice on how to properly clean the nip marks without leaving much ugly scratch marks.
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well since it is a clear version then u cant sand it or else it will spoil the surface... just use hobby knife and trim it till smooth bah... thats the only way dude...
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jun 7 2008, 10:20 AM)
well since it is a clear version then u cant sand it or else it will spoil the surface... just use hobby knife and trim it till smooth bah... thats the only way dude...
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first off, thanks edwardgsk.. i thought i could fix tht using a P2000 abrasive but then again, i gues not sweat.gif
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clear version freedom gundam.. nothing special about freedom's internal skeleton system le... all gray only... maybe u should get a clear version strike freedom... clear version looks god with golden internal skeleton system...
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Frens! Which type of Tamiya Compound should i get???
The normal one, Fine or Ultra Fine??? Want to polish my transparent SD kit!
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QUOTE(300078 @ Jun 9 2008, 08:34 AM)
Frens! Which type of Tamiya Compound should i get???
The normal one, Fine or Ultra Fine??? Want to polish my transparent SD kit!
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A bit hard to answer le, because......

Compound is like sand paper, in liquid form.

So depends on what kinda effect u want lor...... for the really shiny and smooth surface, usually used for car model finishing, go for the finishing compound (Tamiya).
hope that helps.... smile.gif
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QUOTE(rayloke @ Jun 9 2008, 12:36 PM)
A bit hard to answer le, because......

Compound is like sand paper, in liquid form.

So depends on what kinda effect u want lor...... for the really shiny and smooth surface, usually used for car model finishing, go for the finishing compound  (Tamiya).
hope that helps.... smile.gif
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dunno woh becoz in the HLJ website they onli got Normal Compound, Fine, and Ultra fine.....I am thinking of making my transparent SD gundam look glossy and shinny!
So maybe i go buy the normal compound and fine together since just 600yen for one!
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QUOTE(300078 @ Jun 9 2008, 01:07 PM)
dunno woh becoz in the HLJ website they onli got Normal Compound, Fine, and Ultra fine.....I am thinking of making my transparent SD gundam look glossy and shinny!
So maybe i go buy the normal compound and fine together since just 600yen for one!
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if financially ok, is best to do so. just like sanding, sand with lower grid first then only go for higher.

for tamiya, u can check in tamiya undergraound in 1 utama. saw they use to sell there.
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QUOTE(rayloke @ Jun 9 2008, 01:34 PM)
if financially ok, is best to do so. just like sanding, sand with lower grid first then only go for higher.

for tamiya, u can check in tamiya undergraound in 1 utama. saw they use to sell there.
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yah becoz i read a magazine see them polish those transparent parts until it shine like a new one so want to test to make my SD have mirror effect!
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yup ... like what rayloke saids if financially ok with u get all 3 ..... since the proper way to use it is rub ( normal -> fine -> ultra fine ) but if ur lazy just rub fine is enuf .... also take note that it is better u wet sand 1st ur kit b4 rubbing any compound ....
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QUOTE(zero1st @ Jun 9 2008, 02:58 PM)
yup ... like what rayloke saids if financially ok with u get all 3 ..... since the proper way to use it is rub ( normal -> fine -> ultra fine ) but if ur lazy just rub fine is enuf .... also take note that it is better u wet sand 1st ur kit b4 rubbing any compound ....
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yah hor...thx for reminding me. Do i need the original cloth to rub on the kit??? Or any cloth can do one becoz they also selling one for 2000yen....which i think is kinda of expensive.
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spectacles cloth or car polish cloth can di .....
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QUOTE(300078 @ Jun 9 2008, 08:34 AM)
Frens! Which type of Tamiya Compound should i get???
The normal one, Fine or Ultra Fine??? Want to polish my transparent SD kit!
Just as what I was wondering... doesn't sanding clear parts leave damage to the parts?
hmm.. any tips for clear parts on how to uh, make it look nicer (e.g. cleaning the nip marks, etc)?

QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jun 8 2008, 03:10 AM)
clear version freedom gundam.. nothing special about freedom's internal skeleton system le... all gray only... maybe u should get a clear version strike freedom... clear version looks god with golden internal skeleton system...
clear strike version? i thought that one is sold out?

EDITED: reason - googled & found info already on Strike Freedom Clear Ver

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hey guys, wanna ask i using tamiya enamel for line paneling,
what is the ratio ur guys use to mix enamel with thinner?
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panel lining? for gundam? i recomend u to use 0.02mm gundam marker better la... easier and safer to use... gt mistake can correct some more...
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hey guys, wanna ask i using tamiya enamel for line paneling,
what is the ratio ur guys use to mix enamel with thinner?
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panel lining? for gundam? i recomend u to use 0.02mm gundam marker better la... easier and safer to use... gt mistake can correct some more...
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he he belum cuba belum tau, sekali cuba lagi mau..... tongue.gif

For this one mebbe some will tell you this and some will tell u that. i recommend u try it yourself. Obviously the paint must be dilute to a level it can flow in tight space, like a panel line. but how thin or dilute, it's totally up to you!

For example, u r using enamel paint black only (without adding other color like brown), the more dilute u will find that the tone of black/gray is lighter. so u can have thousands of tones of color. if u want a natura,l magazine photographed, kinda effect, mebbe lighter. If u want a very graphic novel dark panel line, well, make it less dilute. it's like in water color class, nobody can tell you what color the car you r going to paint. it's all decided by you!

So try it yourself. first, gloss coat your kit, then try lighly touch the tip of your brush onto the panel line. the paint should, by itself, flowing and filling up the gap. Look at the result, if u dont like it, hmmm too dark, use a cotton bud dip with a little tuppertine or enamel thinner, wipe it off!

Play with it, it's really fun! mebbe u can do a purple panel line which nobody ever did and the result is shockingly beautiful?

The main thing is not how dilute so the paint can fill the longkang, everyoine can mix more thinner to fill longkangs, the main thing is what kinda of effect you want to make your kit looks even more professional. tongue.gif

Happy trying!
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QUOTE(rayloke @ Jun 9 2008, 11:29 PM)
he he belum cuba belum tau, sekali cuba lagi mau..... tongue.gif

For this one mebbe some will tell you this and some will tell u that. i recommend u try it yourself. Obviously the paint must be dilute to a level it can flow in tight space, like a panel line. but how thin or dilute, it's totally up to you!

For example, u r using enamel paint black only (without adding other color like brown), the more dilute u will find that the tone of black/gray is lighter. so u can have thousands of tones of color. if u want a natura,l magazine photographed, kinda effect, mebbe lighter. If u want a very graphic novel dark panel line, well, make it less dilute. it's like in water color class, nobody can tell you what color the car you r going to paint. it's all decided by you!

So try it yourself. first, gloss coat your kit, then try lighly touch the tip of your brush onto the panel line. the paint should, by itself, flowing and filling up the gap. Look at the result, if u dont like it, hmmm too dark, use a cotton bud dip with a little tuppertine or enamel thinner, wipe it off!

Play with it, it's really fun! mebbe u can do a purple panel line which nobody ever did and the result is shockingly beautiful?

The main thing is not how dilute so the paint can fill the longkang, everyoine can mix more thinner to fill longkangs, the main thing is what kinda of effect you want to make your kit looks even more professional. tongue.gif

Happy trying!
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hehe i tried once on my painted HG justice but the result doesn't turn out like what i wan la... the pressure very hard to control also... by the way... im currently learning it too haha...
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QUOTE(rayloke @ Jun 9 2008, 11:29 PM)
he he belum cuba belum tau, sekali cuba lagi mau..... tongue.gif

For this one mebbe some will tell you this and some will tell u that. i recommend u try it yourself. Obviously the paint must be dilute to a level it can flow in tight space, like a panel line. but how thin or dilute, it's totally up to you!

For example, u r using enamel paint black only (without adding other color like brown), the more dilute u will find that the tone of black/gray is lighter. so u can have thousands of tones of color. if u want a natura,l magazine photographed, kinda effect, mebbe lighter. If u want a very graphic novel dark panel line, well, make it less dilute. it's like in water color class, nobody can tell you what color the car you r going to paint. it's all decided by you!

So try it yourself. first, gloss coat your kit, then try lighly touch the tip of your brush onto the panel line. the paint should, by itself, flowing and filling up the gap. Look at the result, if u dont like it, hmmm too dark, use a cotton bud dip with a little tuppertine or enamel thinner, wipe it off!

Play with it, it's really fun! mebbe u can do a purple panel line which nobody ever did and the result is shockingly beautiful?

The main thing is not how dilute so the paint can fill the longkang, everyoine can mix more thinner to fill longkangs, the main thing is what kinda of effect you want to make your kit looks even more professional. tongue.gif

Happy trying!
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one question, why need to gloss coat 1st before paneling?
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Frens and tutorial out there to teach u how to do gold paint that are really nice??? I want to start paint my Lancelot later on!
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QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Jun 10 2008, 12:07 AM)
thanks for ur opinion...
one question, why need to gloss coat 1st before paneling?
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good question! i learn this from very expensive and time-consuming lessons............ cry.gif

Basically when u see the surface with a magnifying glass, gloss finish surface is smooth, and distortion of light is less. hence the smoother the surface, the less distortion of reflected light, the more it has a mirrorlike effect, normally we will say, more gloss.

While matt surface, when u magnify it, it's like tar road. the surface is rough, with a lot of small particle sticking out..

The first reason to gloss coat a little before u panel line is to smoothen the "tar road". when we do inking, the paint will try to fill up the panel line, but what if the paint is very matt? it ll fill up the gap between the paint particles too! like when u pour water on a tar road, the water not only will flow on top of the road, but also in between the small rocks. If that happen, and our cotton bud cannot clean all the paint within, we will get a effect normally called "smearing". The paint will smear and it's bad!

Second, a thin layer of coating will help to protect your kit's surface. We spend a lot of time to paint our kit, and after painting, we always try to avoid touching it as much as possible to reduce risk of paint chipping, scractches etc. the smallest single mistake may cause our hours of effort in vain; like scratch by our finger nail.The coating is an extra protection. in dengeki hobby mag, they even go to the extent after each layer of weathering, they spray a little coating to protect.


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if u know z3r0717, i know he started using inking method, and after 1 or 2 kits, his panel lining is getting so beautiful.

Check out his entry for this mid year compy, i think he did it very naturally and nice.

(He he z3r0, can refer your kit huh? no copyrite right? tongue.gif )
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thanks rayloke to share ur experience notworthy.gif
so top coat first, inking then top coat again???
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For me panel lining with Enamel is really time saving and easy! U just dip it on to ur kit it automatic feels the line.....want to clean up just used back the enamel thinner to wipe it! And yup u guys need to used Gloss top coat first so it can make it smoother and easier to wipe!


Guys back to my Gold paint question up there.....any advise?
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QUOTE(rayloke @ Jun 10 2008, 11:01 AM)
if u know z3r0717, i know he started using inking method, and after 1 or 2 kits, his panel lining is getting so beautiful.

Check out his entry for this mid year compy, i think he did it very naturally and nice.

(He he z3r0, can refer your kit huh? no copyrite right? tongue.gif )
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aiks... no la... mine still very messy.. hehe.... anyway, thanks for the compliment..
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QUOTE(300078 @ Jun 10 2008, 12:41 PM)
For me panel lining with Enamel is really time saving and easy! U just dip it on to ur kit it automatic feels the line.....want to clean up just used back the enamel thinner to wipe it! And yup u guys need to used Gloss top coat first so it can make it smoother and easier to wipe!
Guys back to my Gold paint question up there.....any advise?
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300078,

theres a few methods for gold paint depends on your desire on what kind of gold u like...

1. if u like the old type of gold, get the mr color no.9...

2. if u wan darker gold, get mr color metallic gold no.217...

3. if u wan "1/100 oowashi/shiranui akatsuki" or "strike freedom full burst mode skeleton system" type of yellow gold, spray a layer of chrome silver on top your kit and then spray a layer of clear yellow on top the chrome silver layer but remember in this method, your yellow layer must be same thick every where or else the thicker yellow paint parts will have a darker yellowish gold comparing to other parts of the painted body... also remember to adjust the yellowness of the yellow by adding clear orange to make it darker...

add clear(no.46) to lighter the yellow but i don suggest you to do so cuz natural gold colour should be yellowish laugh.gif

the third method is tested by myself so it is proved to work but if u wan example pic for it then im sorry cuz i din do it on my kit, i help other people do... please try it on a runner for testing 1st before u do on your kit because it's not that easy... and remember to gloss the surface to make it nicer laugh.gif
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jun 10 2008, 09:57 PM)
300078,

theres a few methods for gold paint depends on your desire on what kind of gold u like...

1. if u like the old type of gold, get the mr color no.9...

2. if u wan darker gold, get mr color metallic gold no.217...

3. if u wan "1/100 oowashi/shiranui akatsuki" or "strike freedom full burst mode skeleton system" type of yellow gold, spray a layer of chrome silver on top your kit and then spray a layer of clear yellow on top the chrome silver layer but remember in this method, your yellow layer must be same thick every where or else the thicker yellow paint parts will have a darker yellowish gold comparing to other parts of the painted body... also remember to adjust the yellowness of the yellow by adding clear orange to make it darker...

add clear(no.46) to lighter the yellow but i don suggest you to do so cuz natural gold colour should be yellowish laugh.gif

the third method is tested by myself so it is proved to work but if u wan example pic for it then im sorry cuz i din do it on my kit, i help other people do... please try it on a runner for testing 1st before u do on your kit because it's not that easy... and remember to gloss the surface to make it nicer laugh.gif
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wow thx i was trying to look for the 3 method! I remember reading it before but cant find it back, and i also remember seeing erix did some tutorial on the gold paint but i search the ZeroG tutorial but found none!
Will carry it out on my Lancelot!
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hi guy

i didn't know to do panel lining have alot of step

i do panel lining using permanent marker 0.01 and for colour i use my wife nail polish

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this is not complete yet try to finish it by this week

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QUOTE(yamyinhao @ Jun 11 2008, 10:49 AM)
hi guy

i didn't know to do panel lining have alot of step

i do panel lining using permanent marker 0.01 and for  colour i use my wife nail polish

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this is not complete yet try to finish it by this week
Nail polish? You mean color the whole mech with Nail polish? umm, care to enlighten me a bit sweat.gif
i havent heard of this tip before. maybe can share it here? notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(markiemark @ Jun 9 2008, 07:22 PM)
Just as what I was wondering... doesn't sanding clear parts leave damage to the parts?
hmm.. any tips for clear parts on how to uh, make it look nicer (e.g. cleaning the nip marks, etc)?
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I'm asking same question... hope rayloke can help rclxm9.gif
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i guess, there's only 1 way which is using ur design knife to slowly clean off the nips... u cant sand them unless u wan to scratch them or........ if u wan to sand them then u spray another color or clear coats
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 11 2008, 12:58 PM)
Re-quoting question tongue.gif
I'm asking same question... hope rayloke can help rclxm9.gif
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go buy the Tamiya Compound to polish ur thing! Then sure will leave no mark, it can even turn a scratch clear part back into shinny form!!!!!!!!

My question about the compound is just one page in front of this!
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QUOTE(markiemark @ Jun 11 2008, 12:24 PM)
Nail polish? You mean color the whole mech with Nail polish? umm, care to enlighten me a bit  sweat.gif
i havent heard of this tip before. maybe can share it here?  notworthy.gif
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this is just my personal way of colouring if i cannot afford to buy colour biggrin.gif

i found out that using permanent marker is much darker than gundam lining marker


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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Jun 11 2008, 01:01 PM)
i guess, there's only 1 way which is using ur design knife to slowly clean off the nips... u cant sand them unless u wan to scratch them or........ if u wan to sand them then u spray another color or clear coats
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argee with that i used open envelope knife or cutter (larger 1) because design knife very expensive cost around 15 to 18 tongue.gif

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just to share recently i watch this guide on youtube before they guy start cutting the part to fix he start to spray the color that match with it then start to cut

if there are the nip mark just use the hobby knife to clear it with this it will not damage the part

i have not try this have anyone in here try this before hmm.gif

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actually it's better to clear off nips and get a smooth surface before start spraying.. tongue.gif

Some kind of double work, unless u r rich fella whistling.gif
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 11 2008, 03:17 PM)
actually it's better to clear off nips and get a smooth surface before start spraying.. tongue.gif

Some kind of double work, unless u r rich fella whistling.gif
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no richlah but see this guy doing it but is a good method too if you spray first there are no scratch when you remove the nip also you no need to spray again mah unless you want to change colour

for example th eplastick part is white you spray first then you cut if there are so not nice cut use hobby knife to remove , with this the 1 layer of colour will be remove so it will not damage yr kits or scratch it .

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btw, if doing this better do it with AB... spray can if u unable to control the pressure..
Sure many many tone of colour come out one..

Btw, i did this before and kena marah by sifu afterwards.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 11 2008, 03:37 PM)
btw, if doing this better do it with AB... spray can if u unable to control the pressure..
Sure many many tone of colour come out one..

Btw, i did this before and kena marah by sifu afterwards.. doh.gif
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lao... btw, craft knife.. which type is recommended to buy? the 60degree or 30degree one...
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 11 2008, 03:44 PM)
lao... btw, craft knife.. which type is recommended to buy? the 60degree or 30degree one...
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ask yr sifu loh tongue.gif i use cutter and envelope knife this is where i can find for free

normally i search for free thing like colour if match with my wife nail polish i will used it

so in my gundam you will find some colour i use MR.hobby and some colour come from nail polish

no problem you all may laugh but as long as yr gundam look nice who care icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 11 2008, 03:44 PM)
lao... btw, craft knife.. which type is recommended to buy? the 60degree or 30degree one...
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Im no expert but i'd say try both and see which one fits you fine biggrin.gif a bit expensive method tho


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QUOTE(yamyinhao @ Jun 11 2008, 03:50 PM)
ask yr sifu loh  tongue.gif  i use cutter and envelope knife this is where i can find for free

normally i search for free thing like colour  if match with my wife nail polish i will used it

so in my gundam you will find some colour i use MR.hobby and some colour come from nail polish

no problem you all may laugh but as long as yr gundam look nice who care  icon_rolleyes.gif
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actually, i've come across something similar like what you're using but it wasnt for painting if i remember correctly... it was for some other method in which i forgot. i wish i could find that link again and show you fellas.... forgot already. i thought you were doing the same thing btw. in any case, i believe every modeller has their own way of doing things so chill bro wink.gif
btw, yamyinhao... your wife not angry kah that you are "abusing" her nail polish kits? laugh.gif sweat.gif

but thx for the input on nip marks. I'd like to know more efficient & inexpensive ways without having to paint the whole thing. thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 11 2008, 03:44 PM)
lao... btw, craft knife.. which type is recommended to buy? the 60degree or 30degree one...
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aiyo i buy all the three types lor 30, 60 and 90 degree haha... hobby pen knife holder can switch the blade part without buying another handler de ma so don worry la cheap only la nod.gif ...

well for those blades i gt 3 handles for every type myself cuz i very often switch between them de...

i use 30 for nip cutting cuz it have a longer blade cutting tip and it can cut nips more accurate compared to others...

i use 60 for scratching away the paint marker line for place which i don wan the paint to be at and make panel line drawing thinner on those unpaint parts and also cut nips sometimes... sometimes shakehead.gif ...

i use 90(have very short blade cutting tip bout 3-4mm only) to cut decal after decal applied on those place which got seam lines which shall not be hidden away using putty(like freedom/strike freedoms' shoulder) or panel lines... it also can be use to make or deepens the panel lines so u can get ultra thin panel lines in some parts which have/dont have panel lines originally(own desire) hmm.gif

all of them are useful and u can get them for about RM12-13(Maped Creativ)... becareful cuz the blades rust easily if u touch it with bare hands so to clean the blades use tissue paper... if u rich get tamiya hobby knife as it wont rust but of cuz la cheapest i saw is about RM60-80 hehe laugh.gif ...

and by the way yamyinhao, dont use envelop knifes cus it isn designed to be use as a hobby knife as the knife is loose and cutting is never accurate at all doh.gif ... get urself a Maped Creativ hobby knife at bookstore like popular or thai kwang...


.......and guys, to fix seam lines mr putty is best so far... putty the seam line then stick together both pieces then cut and sand the seams till smooth then straight surface once or twice(if u r very cho lo or very unlucky) then smooth liao then can paint ad la... no nid much work de la... see my MG freedom in modelling gallery... i din surface to check the seam lines also cuz mafan la btw in hurry also so juz putty then cut and sand till very smooth then straight paint ad without surfacer... easy and as good as those with surfacer to check for seam lines...


these are just my experience so good luck trying it:thumbs:

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The paint wont chip off meh??? shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jun 11 2008, 11:41 PM)
aiyo i buy all the three types lor 30, 60 and 90 degree haha... hobby pen knife holder can switch the blade part without buying another handler de ma so don worry la cheap only la nod.gif ...

well for those blades i gt 3 handles for every type myself cuz i very often switch between them de...

i use 30 for nip cutting cuz it have a longer blade cutting tip and it can cut nips more accurate compared to others...

i use 60 for scratching away the paint marker line for place which i don wan the paint to be at and make panel line drawing thinner on those unpaint parts and also cut nips sometimes... sometimes shakehead.gif ...

i use 90(have very short blade cutting tip bout 3-4mm only) to cut decal after decal applied on those place which got seam lines which shall not be hidden away using putty(like freedom/strike freedoms' shoulder) or panel lines... it also can be use to make or deepens the panel lines so u can get ultra thin panel lines in some parts which have/dont have panel lines originally(own desire) hmm.gif

all of them are useful and u can get them for about RM12-13(Maped Creativ)... becareful cuz the blades rust easily if u touch it with bare hands so to clean the blades use tissue paper... if u rich get tamiya hobby knife as it wont rust but of cuz la cheapest i saw is about RM60-80 hehe laugh.gif ...

and by the way yamyinhao, dont use envelop knifes cus it isn designed to be use as a hobby knife as the knife is loose and cutting is never accurate at all doh.gif ... get urself a Maped Creativ hobby knife at bookstore like popular or thai kwang...
.......and guys, to fix seam lines mr putty is best so far... putty the seam line then stick together both pieces then cut and sand the seams till smooth then straight surface once or twice(if u r very cho lo or very unlucky) then smooth liao then can paint ad la... no nid much work de la... see my MG freedom in modelling gallery... i din surface to check the seam lines also cuz mafan la btw in hurry also so juz putty then cut and sand till very smooth then straight paint ad without surfacer... easy and as good as those with surfacer to check for seam lines...
these are just my experience so good luck trying it:thumbs:
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thanks for the advice bro , actually i try to get some cheap way of doing it , actually i plan to buy Airbrush but before that i need to try on spray as my painting skill is lousy doh.gif
must see yr skill maybe u can share some of yr tips


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QUOTE(markiemark @ Jun 11 2008, 03:54 PM)
Im no expert but i'd say try both and see which one fits you fine biggrin.gif a bit expensive method tho


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actually, i've come across something similar like what you're using but it wasnt for painting if i remember correctly... it was for some other method in which i forgot. i wish i could find that link again and show you fellas.... forgot already.  i thought you were doing the same thing btw. in any case, i believe every modeller has their own way of doing things so chill bro wink.gif
btw, yamyinhao... your wife not angry kah that you are "abusing" her nail polish kits?  laugh.gif  sweat.gif

but thx for the input on nip marks.  I'd like to know more efficient & inexpensive ways without having to paint the whole thing.  thumbup.gif
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maybe we can spray at that particular part where we cut not the whole thing


actually my wife tak tau i used her nail polish ha..ha.. tongue.gif

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Umm, hi guys. I'm looking to buy a can of Testors Dullcote spray, did a google search and ended up here.
I guess this is the right place to ask...
Do you veteran modellers know anywhere in KL which sells this Testors Dullcote spray can?
Or parhaps you know of any other similar products of other brands (Mr Hobby/Tamiya/etc.)?

I need a clear, transparent spray which isn't glossy. Any help is appreciated.

I thank you guys in advance! smile.gif
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^paint without surfacer???
The paint wont chip off meh???


lol spray a layer of top coat after paint lor... don worry it doesn happens to me so far but with surfacer of cuz better lor compared to no surfacer... don purposely go scratch la... becareful and try not to play with it or change its' pose frequently lor...


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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jun 12 2008, 03:20 PM)
^paint without surfacer???
The paint wont chip off meh??? 
lol spray a layer of top coat after paint lor... don worry it doesn happens to me so far but with surfacer of cuz better lor compared to no surfacer... don purposely go scratch la... becareful and try not to play with it or change its' pose frequently lor...
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QUOTE(Kinster @ Jun 12 2008, 12:29 PM)
Umm, hi guys. I'm looking to buy a can of Testors Dullcote spray, did a google search and ended up here.
I guess this is the right place to ask...
Do you veteran modellers know anywhere in KL which sells this Testors Dullcote spray can?
Or parhaps you know of any other similar products of other brands (Mr Hobby/Tamiya/etc.)?

I need a clear, transparent spray which isn't glossy. Any help is appreciated.

I thank you guys in advance! smile.gif
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Transparent?? blink.gif for what first?

QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jun 12 2008, 03:20 PM)
^paint without surfacer???
The paint wont chip off meh??? 
lol spray a layer of top coat after paint lor... don worry it doesn happens to me so far but with surfacer of cuz better lor compared to no surfacer... don purposely go scratch la... becareful and try not to play with it or change its' pose frequently lor...
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Better if apply surfacer lol... doh.gif
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QUOTE(300078 @ Jun 12 2008, 05:34 PM)
if the base color is similar with the paint color u wont notice scratch or anything one!
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from far you may not see it but from near the scratch is there cry.gif
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doh.gif apply surfacer lar... or prime it...

It;s not that expensive what.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jun 12 2008, 03:20 PM)
^paint without surfacer???
The paint wont chip off meh??? 
lol spray a layer of top coat after paint lor... don worry it doesn happens to me so far but with surfacer of cuz better lor compared to no surfacer... don purposely go scratch la... becareful and try not to play with it or change its' pose frequently lor...
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have to use surfacer meh i thought the paint will stay there forever

i never used surfacer after paint but the paint still there icon_rolleyes.gif or maybe is the power of nail polish laugh.gif


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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 12 2008, 06:32 PM)
Transparent?? blink.gif for what first?

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I plan to do some shading/weathering on a model using pastel chalk. The pastel chalk is grounded on sandpaper to create pastel dust, which is then applied onto the model with a paintbrush. When the work is done, I need the transparent spray to "seal in" the pastel dust - to prevent them from rubbing off when I re-pose the model. The model isn't supposed to be shiny, that's why I need a clear spray that is matt.

Anyone knows where I can find something like this? I can find some clear spray, but they are all glossy... sad.gif
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Get the Flat TopCoat Spray can?
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Thanks for the feedback! smile.gif
Forgive my ignorance, what's a topcoat and where can I get one?
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 12 2008, 06:43 PM)
doh.gif apply surfacer lar... or prime it...

It;s not that expensive what.. doh.gif
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lol i also wan to use surfacer if possible de la but i cant get any surfacer 1200 in bottle unless i buy the spray tin one la but everyone knows that the spray for the tin is useless right... haiz... i only gt surfacer 1000... somemore when im doing my freedom i don have much time... only gt 2 weeks so i save time by not using surfacer lor but as what u said that im now a bit regretted ad cuz the paint at the wing there started to chipped off ad due to reposing from closed wings to HiMAT mode for a few times shocking.gif ... just inner part la outer part ok...

besides,top coat is very important... my MG freedoms' wing cannon's white part now also gt a bit stained with the blue paint due to the blue colour chipped when the white and the blue parts scratches each other when i open-close the wing doh.gif ... haiz... i sprayed the top coat too thin i guess... not dare to touch or move it anymore cry.gif


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QUOTE(Kinster @ Jun 12 2008, 08:27 PM)
Thanks for the feedback! smile.gif
Forgive my ignorance, what's a topcoat and where can I get one?
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this is top coat...
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- A kind of spray to coat the model with a protective layer. Comes in Gloss, Semi-Gloss and Flat types

information from VincC454 in Tutorial to start gunpla-ing

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who say spray can for surfacer useless?
do u kno tat a lot of ppl who owns AB prefers using Spray can surfacer?
1. faster becoz no nid mix and no mix again to put in thinner especially if modding
2. no nid to clean the AB gun if use spray can
3. if not clean nicely, will cloak ur gun
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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Jun 13 2008, 12:32 AM)
who say spray can for surfacer useless?
do u kno tat a lot of ppl who owns AB prefers using Spray can surfacer?
1. faster becoz no nid mix and no mix again to put in thinner especially if modding
2. no nid to clean the AB gun if use spray can
3. if not clean nicely, will cloak ur gun
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not so sure le cuz nvr use before juz heard someone told me that last time... i use the bottle type one so far nvr try on spray can one so far haha... but they say the can type one the nozzle lauya la air spray power not constant de... is it true?
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of cos la... spray can where can control the air pressure, it's alr been set for u... surfacer no nid good air pressure...
when spraying color only more important becoz u dunwan it to be too thick, surfacer thick it's ok
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doh.gif lao.... Surfacer can no use? then they sell for what doh.gif

IF u can't find surfacer, Prime also work out good enough to prevent your paint from chipping off....

Top Coat usually just spray 2 think layer and it;s enough to protect the colour.

And Btw, top coat can be get @ places like AF Hobby @ Ampang or TM @ BTS. Not sure XL got sell or not...
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Last month I went AF and TM and both were out of water based Flat Coat. Anyone know if there still in stock?
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How inportant is a topcoat? I make and paint (extensively) only SDs so do i really need them?
How do i apply topcoat? Place models on a newspaper and spray over?
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QUOTE(naith @ Jun 13 2008, 10:14 AM)
Last month I went AF and TM and both were out of water based Flat Coat. Anyone know if there still in stock?
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you could try your luck at the hobby shop over ampang plaza.


Say, Giving a situation where i had applied some gundam marker [ not for the panel lining ] on my kits, & then some other parts of it i would like to use spray can to spray the paint, what is the proper way of masking the parts where already painted with marker? cause im afraid tat if i stick the normal "tape" we used will rip off the paint when i need to tear it out..
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questions in regards to the topcoat:

does it help on removing the scratches caused by sanding/cutting nips off parts? or it is one of the main reasons why you even use it in the first place?

also, will it damage/corrode stickers? or it is actually meant to further protect it?

what about panel lining? will it cause it to fall off or something? or it actually helps preventing it from being able to rub off (after ur satisfied with ur panel lining of course)
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this question some are deja vu... doh.gif

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does it help on removing the scratches caused by sanding/cutting nips off parts? or it is one of the main reasons why you even use it in the first place?


No, top coat are to protect the paint from scratches @ dust stick to the paint

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also, will it damage/corrode stickers? or it is actually meant to further protect it?


Neither do both.

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what about panel lining? will it cause it to fall off or something? or it actually helps preventing it from being able to rub off (after ur satisfied with ur panel lining of course)


People usualy do panel lining after top coat
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topcoat not protect your paint from scratch...ur paint still can scratch if you do heavy pose on your kit even after topcoat

and surfacer is the one cover your scratch not topcoat.
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 13 2008, 11:50 AM)
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this question some are deja vu... doh.gif
No, top coat are to protect the paint from scratches @ dust stick to the paint
Neither do both.
People usualy do panel lining after top coat
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eh ive read through the tutorial thread, didnt seem to provide the answer im looking. and with 125 pages on the last version of this thread, it'll be really hard to search through everything >_<
i would suggest someone to pin up dejavu questions into FAQ, so it can be easier for everyone, both asker/answerers.

anyways,

ive heard something about applying something to ur gundam so it removes those scratches caused by sanding? not sure if its topcoating, care to clarify?

for the stickers, basically if i spray top coat on it, it wont eat away or cause the stickers to fall off? kinda how water affect paper, and the top coat is water based right?

whats the difference between doing panel lining before and after top coating?


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topcoat not protect your paint from scratch...ur paint still can scratch if you do heavy pose on your kit even after topcoat

and surfacer is the one cover your scratch not topcoat.
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AH so its surfacer the thing im looking for. so it not only "prepares" the plastic surface for painting, it also "removes" the scratches caused from sanding am i getting this correct?

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 13 2008, 12:10 PM)
eh ive read through the tutorial thread, didnt seem to provide the answer im looking. and with 125 pages on the last version of this thread, it'll be really hard to search through everything >_<
i would suggest someone to pin up dejavu questions into FAQ, so it can be easier for everyone, both asker/answerers.

anyways,

ive heard something about applying something to ur gundam so it removes those scratches caused by sanding? not sure if its topcoating, care to clarify?

for the stickers, basically if i spray top coat on it, it wont eat away or cause the stickers to fall off? kinda how water affect paper, and the top coat is water based right?

whats the difference between doing panel lining before and after top coating?


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AH so its surfacer the thing im looking for. so it not only "prepares" the plastic surface for painting, it also "removes" the scratches caused from sanding am i getting this correct?
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For the sticker question, it wont drop or fall, unless u go kacau.

Doing panel before or after top coat, this one answered few post before u ask... Try searching back thru...

And for the surfacer part, it's correct. The surfacer use to prepares the plastic for painting so it wont chip off easily and it help removes the scratches.
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 13 2008, 12:43 PM)
For the sticker question, it wont drop or fall, unless u go kacau.

Doing panel before or after top coat, this one answered few post before u ask... Try searching back thru...

And for the surfacer part, it's correct. The surfacer use to prepares the plastic for painting so it wont chip off easily and it help removes the scratches.
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sweet, much thanks

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ok this might be a silly question, where is famitoy? ive heard a lot of good things from people, may want to visit there myself
(there got sell gunpla tools right? like surfacer/cutter etc)

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Hey bro zero, heard that you are planning to get AB soon? Care to share some info that you have with every1 here ? =X I'm sourcing for one as well.

EDIT: No, for tools famitoys may not be the place to get them. Instead you can try AF Hobby in ampang instead. Famitoys carry mostly model kits, transformers, there is some gundam marker, pla plates but i think that's about it.

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is top coat better than mr. color clear coat?

i used a mr color clear coat but then my model beacame a bit murky cuz of visible "droplets" of the clear coat..i sprayed away from my model to avoid overspraying but still at some angles the droplets were visible and it annoyed me!

im just a novice hehe..pls help! biggrin.gif

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Thanks for the info, guys. I am on my hunt for Topcoat Flat!

I went to TM @ BTS today, but they are out of Topcoat Flat. I also went to look for AF Hobby @ Ampang. Read somewhere that it is in Paragon Point... went there but don't see any hobby shop! Can someone please teach me how to find AF Hobby? I did see another hobby shop opposite Paragon's main entrance though, but that's not AF... and it's not open. I'll try to look for this Plaza Ampang too. This is the triangular-shaped building next to MRR2, right? I'll also go ask XL if they have it.

If anyone has any other suggestions on where to find Topcoat Flat, please share. smile.gif Thanks! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Kinster @ Jun 14 2008, 11:07 PM)
Thanks for the info, guys. I am on my hunt for Topcoat Flat!

I went to TM @ BTS today, but they are out of Topcoat Flat. I also went to look for AF Hobby @ Ampang. Read somewhere that it is in Paragon Point... went there but don't see any hobby shop! Can someone please teach me how to find AF Hobby? I did see another hobby shop opposite Paragon's main entrance though, but that's not AF... and it's not open. I'll try to look for this Plaza Ampang too. This is the triangular-shaped building next to MRR2, right? I'll also go ask XL if they have it.

If anyone has any other suggestions on where to find Topcoat Flat, please share. smile.gif Thanks! biggrin.gif
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Now i m not sure\, long time never go Af hobby d. I remember Af hobby doesnt look like a hobby store at all!, it's upstairs of a guardian shop. I dont think even got big signage.

Another place u might wanna consider is Hobby HQ (HHQ) in yow chuan plaza (or some prefer to call crown princess hotel). that's place for serious modeller, more of a scale model place. I realised more of the gundam related goods are relatively slower moving over there. you might get there.
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QUOTE(Kinster @ Jun 14 2008, 11:07 PM)
Thanks for the info, guys. I am on my hunt for Topcoat Flat!

I went to TM @ BTS today, but they are out of Topcoat Flat. I also went to look for AF Hobby @ Ampang. Read somewhere that it is in Paragon Point... went there but don't see any hobby shop! Can someone please teach me how to find AF Hobby? I did see another hobby shop opposite Paragon's main entrance though, but that's not AF... and it's not open. I'll try to look for this Plaza Ampang too. This is the triangular-shaped building next to MRR2, right? I'll also go ask XL if they have it.

If anyone has any other suggestions on where to find Topcoat Flat, please share. smile.gif Thanks! biggrin.gif
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AF Hobby has now moved OUTSIDE of Paragon Point, oppposite the entrance, right above Guardian.
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QUOTE(Kinster @ Jun 14 2008, 11:07 PM)
Thanks for the info, guys. I am on my hunt for Topcoat Flat!

I went to TM @ BTS today, but they are out of Topcoat Flat. I also went to look for AF Hobby @ Ampang. Read somewhere that it is in Paragon Point... went there but don't see any hobby shop! Can someone please teach me how to find AF Hobby? I did see another hobby shop opposite Paragon's main entrance though, but that's not AF... and it's not open. I'll try to look for this Plaza Ampang too. This is the triangular-shaped building next to MRR2, right? I'll also go ask XL if they have it.

If anyone has any other suggestions on where to find Topcoat Flat, please share. smile.gif Thanks! biggrin.gif
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AF Hobby is located opposite of the paragon, it was at the second floor of a guardian, try knock the door..

Flat top coat, Hobby shop above plaza ampang, beside is the citisquare.
Last time ask the boss he said flat top-coat will be in-stock this month.

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Oh, outside Paragon! No wonder I can't find it inside. I'll go look again tomorrow. Hope they open Sundays. If don't have, then I'll go check Hobby HQ @ Yow Chuan Plaza.

"Hobby shop above plaza ampang, beside is the citisquare", I'm a little confused. From the location description, sounds like same area as Hobby HQ. Or could this be another shop in the same area?

Thanks again for the suggestions, sifus! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Kinster @ Jun 14 2008, 11:34 PM)
Oh, outside Paragon! No wonder I can't find it inside. I'll go look again tomorrow. Hope they open Sundays. If don't have, then I'll go check Hobby HQ @ Yow Chuan Plaza.

"Hobby shop above plaza ampang, beside is the citisquare", I'm a little confused. From the location description, sounds like same area as Hobby HQ. Or could this be another shop in the same area?

Thanks again for the suggestions, sifus! biggrin.gif
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Is the same shop, cause i keep forgotting the shop name tongue.gif
But try not to go on lunch time, cause sometimes the uncle will close shop go for lunch
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Is there a way to get to AF Hobby using public transportation? As in buses and trains? I've never driven to that area before(and would rather not given the fuel hikes)
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stop at LRT cempaka and use the rapid bus... ask the driver if they follow the route to The Puteri park plaza... thats the nearest bas stop near the shop...
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If you're not familiar with the area, AF Hobby could be hard to find even if you stop at Putri Park Plaza.
I live near the area, so I found it no problem. Actually, I didn't find it. It found me! sweat.gif
Y'see, as instructed, I went upstairs of Guardian pharmacy. First floor, looked like a residence, no signage whatsoever. Went up to second floor, looked more like somebody's house. Discouraged, began to go down the stairs when I heard a loud cantonese voice behind my back, demanding, "Meh see?" ("What's the matter?"). Gave me a scare, but it was the boss of the shop. He let me in and I noticed he got a CCTV, watching me looking around like a fool. Gah! He explained the lack of signage because they just moved in here.

Anyway, Topcoat Flat was out of stock, I'll have to go back in a coupla weeks. That's okay. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Kinster @ Jun 16 2008, 04:11 PM)
If you're not familiar with the area, AF Hobby could be hard to find even if you stop at Putri Park Plaza.
I live near the area, so I found it no problem. Actually, I didn't find it. It found me!  sweat.gif
Y'see, as instructed, I went upstairs of Guardian pharmacy. First floor, looked like a residence, no signage whatsoever. Went up to second floor, looked more like somebody's house. Discouraged, began to go down the stairs when I heard a loud cantonese voice behind my back, demanding, "Meh see?" ("What's the matter?"). Gave me a scare, but it was the boss of the shop. He let me in and I noticed he got a CCTV, watching me looking around like a fool. Gah! He explained the lack of signage because they just moved in here.

Anyway, Topcoat Flat was out of stock, I'll have to go back in a coupla weeks. That's okay. smile.gif
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so it is 1st floor or second floor?
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It's the first floor, right above Guardian. Just climb up one flight of stairs. The exterior looks nothing like a hobby shop. In fact it looks nothing like any shop. Like I said, I thought it was somebody's home. But just ring the bell, they should get the door for you. Otherwise, just do what I did, act like a fool looking for something, they'll get a laugh from the CCTV then open the door... tongue.gif
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o icic haha okok the next time i go kl i will visit ther...
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i remember seeing a topic called Topcoat vs Tamiya Clear last few days, in the list of topics out in the LYN main page. But then can't find it ady.

There's another one, Mr Hobby Super Clear UV Cut. Do these clear paints have the same use/function as topcoat itself?

And also, anyone tried the selfmade topcoat solution in the pinned thread? smile.gif
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QUOTE(MyKy44 @ Jun 17 2008, 06:16 PM)
i remember seeing a topic called Topcoat vs Tamiya Clear last few days, in the list of topics out in the LYN main page. But then can't find it ady.

There's another one, Mr Hobby Super Clear UV Cut. Do these clear paints have the same use/function as topcoat itself?

And also, anyone tried the selfmade topcoat solution in the pinned thread? smile.gif
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Super Clear UV Cut is a kind of topcoat that prevent white color on the model kits become yellowish over the time (if i'm not mistaken). Dont use it on non-white surface though, coz it will result in frost-like effect
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Super Clear UV Cut is a kind of topcoat that prevent white color on the model kits become yellowish over the time (if i'm not mistaken). Dont use it on non-white surface though, coz it will result in frost-like effect
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Eh? But i used it on the silver of my WZC. no frost-like effect also
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QUOTE(MyKy44 @ Jun 17 2008, 06:16 PM)
i remember seeing a topic called Topcoat vs Tamiya Clear last few days, in the list of topics out in the LYN main page. But then can't find it ady.

There's another one, Mr Hobby Super Clear UV Cut. Do these clear paints have the same use/function as topcoat itself?

And also, anyone tried the selfmade topcoat solution in the pinned thread? smile.gif
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The self made topcoat ( using the Future Floor acrylic i presume ? Cant remember ) was tested AND approved by Vince... pro gundam modeller. biggrin.gif Theres no way it wont work... and u shuld take a look at his completed models pictures... beautiful stuff. I dont see why the topcoat wont work. blush.gif
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i'm not sure if this question's out of place. where can i find an affordable and reliable air compressor? normally it'll cost how much one for a nice and basic one...
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Eh? But i used it on the silver of my WZC. no frost-like effect also
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Super UV cut is like super clear, not like super gloss or anything. The UV cut means, they add some chemical and alter the formula a little, the coat will filter out Uv light (from the sun and our lights). So it suppose to prolong the duration of your paint from fading.

Like a UV cut sun glasses, it blocks the UV light from entering your eye balls.
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can some1 guide me on color mixing

i wanted to get a output color like pic attached.
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and also wat are the color mix for gunner zaku (lumaria)

Thanks
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can some1 guide me on color mixing

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and also wat are the color mix for gunner zaku (lumaria)

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ok first of all u gotta inform what kind of paint u r using, what brand too.

from the picture, the purplish color i suspect is a pearl finish effect. meaning when the surface is not reflecting light, it looks blue, but when u tilt it to certain angle and it reflect light, u can see a tone of red.

Method using gunze lacquer color, paint the base with the blue u want. mix your top coat yourself (can only do that if u got air brush) use clear as bonding medium, mix with pearl powder that reflects red.

or u can buy gunze's color (mr color- lacquer) that says "pearl, white red" meaning the pearl pigment is white (no color) and it will reflects red. mix with clear, and spray as u r doing top coat.


Other than that, it's very rediculous to ask people show u how to mix color aint it? Try asking your art teacher to mix color for you for your water color work, kena scolding kau kau man!

All i can say is, mix the paint and look at it, until u like it, brush paint a little on a piece of pla plate with the right base color. If not what u want, mix again. Look and mix!

doh.gif doh.gif

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well.... sory for my non proper question... im kinda new on this coloring sweat.gif sweat.gif

curently im using mr.hobby paint (used with airbrush) since i dont have much colors to mix and test. thats why i asked here.
i wana try dark blue + flourecent pink if can get those color...

rayloke: Thanks for the information bro... curently me not lookin into doing pearl stuff.... but maybe ur tips will be useful in future
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what about the 'tamiya flat base + pla-slate liquid' in tutorial to start gunpla-ing? really that good?
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QUOTE(Elanges @ Jun 18 2008, 02:11 PM)
well.... sory for my non proper question... im kinda new on this coloring  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

curently im using mr.hobby paint (used with airbrush) since i dont have much colors to mix and test. thats why i asked here.
i wana try dark blue + flourecent pink if can get those color...

rayloke: Thanks for the information bro... curently me not lookin into doing pearl stuff.... but maybe ur tips will be useful in future
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i think should be fine, is better u mix blue( i wll recommend character blue or royal blue, those blue are slight reddish) into flourecent pink (also flurecent red, orange).

My experience to get a bright color, the flourecent paint gotta be on the stronger side, cause i ound that fluorecent color will get dull easily.

also remember to have a white base before u put on the main color. biggrin.gif

happy modelling fren! biggrin.gif

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okie... abouut white base... now my model i already spray with grey primer.

so i needa coat of primer + another coat of white base follow up the main color i wanted rite??


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for bright colors (white, red, yellow, or light blue), u need to have it use whitebase after priming.
overwise the color coat u apply will turn dark, in other word, it won't show up the color as it shud.
for dark color or metallic color, white base is not necessary.
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SO is this the whitebase which u guys talking about
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QUOTE(Elanges @ Jun 19 2008, 03:25 PM)
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SO is this the whitebase which u guys talking about
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According to the tamiya website, paint from their spray cans aren't affected by enamel and acrylics. Can anyone confirm this? I'm planning to line using Mr.hobby enamel paint and add a few details using Mr.metal. Btw, the source http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/list/spray.htm
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According to the tamiya website, paint from their spray cans aren't affected by enamel and acrylics. Can anyone confirm this? I'm planning to line using Mr.hobby enamel paint and add a few details using Mr.metal. Btw, the source http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/list/spray.htm
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Tamiya did state "The paint is synthetic LACQUER", so it's not affected by enamel nor acrylics. As for Mr. Metal which is also lacquer, should be no problem too. Hope that's help.
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Since this is a mod, better i put it here. Basically finished la this one. If not lazy, later cover seam lines and put decals
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Anybody mod their figmas/revoltechs?

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lol mod also can be put under working progress gallery de la nt here... here is for discussion... neeway this is RX-78-2-HARUHI ver. i presume?? lolz haha...


Added on June 20, 2008, 8:04 pmguys do u all know anyones selling MG Strike freedom's beam shield only? i nid it for diorama making purpose...

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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jun 20 2008, 07:13 PM)
lol mod also can be put under working progress gallery de la nt here... here is for discussion... neeway this is RX-78-2-HARUHI ver. i presume?? lolz haha...
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Haha, but WIP thread title says mecha modelling, so...
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exiled>> the haruhi is figma haruhi right?

all guys>> how much a bottle of Future Floor Acrylic cost?
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exiled>> the haruhi is figma haruhi right?

all guys>> how much a bottle of Future Floor Acrylic cost?
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Yep, and the gunpla parts are from HGUC RX-78-2 and MG Strike arms (for shoulder armors)
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woa haha... then now ur mg strike lost his shoulder armor and ur hguc rx-78-2 lost his both legs ad lor like tat haha...
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jun 20 2008, 11:58 PM)
woa haha... then now ur mg strike lost his shoulder armor and ur hguc rx-78-2 lost his both legs ad lor like tat haha...
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Actually I recently bought a pair of MG Strike arms for my Tallgeese project. That part is the leftover from what I use on the Tallgeese. For HGUC RX-78-2, what's left are the torso, hip and bazooka only
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aik?! the parts can be bought seperately ah?
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jun 21 2008, 12:22 AM)
aik?! the parts can be bought seperately ah?
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I bought from fren lah. The parts i bought was also leftover from his project
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oh gd! ask ur fren gt extra MG strike freedom's beam shield or not?! i wan buy!!
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if i paint my kit with oil base & water base paint,
which kind of top coat i should use? oil or water base?

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QUOTE(zoidx_chung @ Jun 21 2008, 02:14 AM)
ask a noob question here:

if i paint my kit with oil base & water base paint,
which kind of top coat i should use? oil or water base?

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anyone here interested to sell MG strike freedom's beam shield to me?! i nid one for diorama purpose lolz!



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^ lol, i dun think anybody wanna sell off their SF's beam shield ;P lol, other ppl wan em too >.<
too bad this aint akiba, where u can buy gunpla separate parts, kekekeke
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u mean the transparent part?
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i have model kits that is made of wood..i think some of u guys might have do it b4...whether cars or ships..neway the thing is, can i use the wooden parts as detailing? will it look so obvious after paint? or..will it rot?
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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Jun 21 2008, 11:32 PM)
u mean the transparent part?
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i dun mind selling it but COD only though....
i dun even like the transparent shield thing doh.gif
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QUOTE(kurz @ Jun 21 2008, 11:50 PM)
i have model kits that is made of wood..i think some of u guys might have do it b4...whether cars or ships..neway the thing is, can i use the wooden parts as detailing? will it look so obvious after paint? or..will it rot?
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Any ideas on what top coat to use for my sango kits? I'd prefer a matte like finish.
I remember someone asking about top coat and stickers before - would it damage them? i find the stickers very shiny and would prefer to make them a little duller?
Also, what is the timing for applying topcoat? When the paint dries? Or right when you've done painting?

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yo all sifus, may i know u guys got any idea to wash off the chromes?
i saw some meg they use chroline but kinda danger in handling chrolin water =="
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Guys, any recommendation for a decent airbrush circa RM 1000?

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Today i just try enamel paint to do panel lining. Quite fast and easy , but i dint repaint the SD , really need control the dilution of the enamel paint , but wat i use is Zippo, so easy dry out @_@. But the lining doesnt seem nice , but at least those small and thin area can be easy reach and wont create line that too thick.
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Here is the final SD zaku II, done with weathering and battle damage~ 1st time do the battle damage , but overall dint sanding. Which i finish assembled then direct spray topcoat~

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HI!!

I now desperately looking for pylox spray can. Shop that i buy my stock previously has stopped to sell them.

Has been looking more than 30 hardware shops around Perak and still no shop sell it.

I want to finish my kit project urgently but due to shortage of this spray paint, I will have to wait longer and I hate to wait anymore.

Im an aircraft guy..this is my current WIP..pending due to shortage of pylox.

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So here i am, shamelessly begging the mercy of Gundam folks in here to helping me out looking for this pylox spray cans & Im willing to pay cost+shipping to perak+handling cost to anybody who willing to help me.


Im looking for flat white, flat black & dark grey (25).

PLZ....somebody help me plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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QUOTE(musangpulut @ Jun 23 2008, 09:47 AM)
HI!!

I now desperately looking for pylox spray can. Shop that i buy my stock previously has stopped to sell them.

Has been looking more than 30 hardware shops around Perak and still no shop sell it.

I want to finish my kit project urgently but due to shortage of this spray paint, I will have to wait longer and I hate to wait anymore.

Im an aircraft guy..this is my current WIP..pending due to shortage of pylox.

So here i am, shamelessly begging the mercy of Gundam folks in here to helping me out looking for this pylox spray cans & Im willing to pay cost+shipping to perak+handling cost to anybody who willing to help me.
Im looking for flat white, flat black & dark grey (25).

PLZ....somebody help me plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Hardware shop?

Else, come down to KL, bulk buy in one run.. if not, rugi habis petrol + toll...
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if so.. could you please give me an adress which hardware shop in kl/shah alam area that sell pylox. There is thousand of hardware shops in klang valley.
I already read all 100+ pages of this tread.. and most of the forumner just post a simple location marker of the hardware shop like "opposite that primary school","beside that corner lot coffee shop" etc.

Im looking for a specific direction.

thank you
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Venus Art in Petaling Street selling
Mostly hardware shop, well not all sell spray can, but not sure if it's pylox or not.

Manjalara, Kepong have few shops selling hardware tools... That place kind of a lot hardware shops @ 1 spot..
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QUOTE(musangpulut @ Jun 23 2008, 10:16 AM)
if so.. could you please give me an adress which hardware shop in kl/shah alam area that sell pylox. There is thousand of hardware shops in klang valley.
I already read all 100+ pages of this tread.. and most of the forumner just post a simple location marker of the hardware shop like "opposite that primary school","beside that corner lot coffee shop" etc.

Im looking for a specific direction.

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Home-Fix 1 utama..
http://www.home-fix.com/locateus.aspx
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1 Utama?

lol... how much per can?

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thanks a lot.will definitely visit that shop this weekend!
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1 Utama?

lol... how much per can?
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if not mistaken Rm6.90 depends on colour type..
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 23 2008, 11:23 AM)
yup LG new wing..
if not mistaken Rm6.90 depends on colour type..
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got a lot of pylox range there eh???
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hi guys, need sum advise on the Mr.Metal Color.....i am using hand paint by using Mr.Metal Color on my gunpla especially chrome silver and iron. n i have notice that the paint is too thick and very fast drying... i have use the levelling thinner to improve the brush stroke already but the result is still the same....can anyone help me on tis? how 2 make the Mr.Metal color looks nice on the gunpla?
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QUOTE(musangpulut @ Jun 23 2008, 11:26 AM)
got a lot of pylox range there eh???
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there u go..

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Normal : RM6.30
Fluorescent : RM8.90
Silver (heat) : RM13.90
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QUOTE(zefflodo @ Jun 22 2008, 05:39 PM)
yo all sifus, may i know u guys got any idea to wash off the chromes?
i saw some meg they use chroline but kinda danger in handling chrolin water =="
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 23 2008, 01:57 PM)
there u go..

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Normal : RM6.30
Fluorescent : RM8.90
Silver (heat) : RM13.90
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holy cow!!!

u just back from there eh??? I can see a lot of my fav color there..thanks a lot.Will belanja you teh tarik+roti telur if i ever meet you, 8tvt!

thanks a lot to all gundam folks, you guys really save my day!! really appreciated it!!!!!!!!!! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Long live aircraft modeling!! ehhh.. GUndam modelling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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QUOTE(musangpulut @ Jun 23 2008, 03:31 PM)
holy cow!!!

u just back from there eh??? I can see a lot of my fav color there..thanks a lot.Will belanja you teh tarik+roti telur if i ever meet you, 8tvt!

thanks a lot to all gundam folks, you guys really save my day!! really appreciated it!!!!!!!!!! rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

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hahaha ... han pakai Pylox yeah .... long live gunpla ... gegegegegek

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QUOTE(musangpulut @ Jun 23 2008, 03:31 PM)
holy cow!!!

u just back from there eh??? I can see a lot of my fav color there..thanks a lot.Will belanja you teh tarik+roti telur if i ever meet you, 8tvt!

thanks a lot to all gundam folks, you guys really save my day!! really appreciated it!!!!!!!!!! rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

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lol...as long as its a model kit, military kits, aircraft, ships building techniques anything can discuss here for sure ler biggrin.gif

actualy there's a nippon paint shop in front of famitoy (famitoy location is 12-2, Jalan PJU 5/10,
Dataran Sunway, Kota Damansara, 47810 Petaling Jaya, Selangor, Malaysia.)

there selling slightly cheaper..but since ur from melaka i guess it'll be a lil hard for u to find the shop..so i guess homefix will be ok oredy smile.gif
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If i try spray those proxy paint on my gundam model, after dry i still can apply gundam marker on top of it?
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honeymic,
aiyak..hang pun visit this tread eh..tongue.gif

kurz,
thanks a lot for the detailed info.really appreciated it.
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btw... if i spray those hardware paint on my kits, after that if i spray a layer of semi-gloss coat [water based] on it, will there be any harm to the kits, or is there any side-effect [except for the coating effect] ?
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watever u buy from hobby shop intended for model kit shud be safe.

hardware one if the brand u never try b4 always try on scrap plastics before use it on ur kit. u never know wat will happen without trying..

pylox by nippon has been tried by many here.. so this brand shud be ok.

to answer ur question, the answer will be no.

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aiyo if wan 100% safe for hobby kit then better stick back to mr color or tamiya instead of using hardware paint i guess?
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its hard to find many color from mr. hobby spray can... so we need to find alternatives...

pylox has proves itself worthy of the job... tongue.gif
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well its kinda cheap also hehe.... worth for try...


Added on June 28, 2008, 11:10 amBTW Tamiya also has a big range of spray can colours ma right? doh.gif

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guys, if i broke some parts of the gunpla.. which item i should use to seal it ?
If is Putty, which putty i should use ? cause i saw somewhere said the white putty is quite fragile..
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use mr putty deluxe...
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use mr putty deluxe...
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well honestly im nt so sure bout the name of the product but the putty im talking about din't comes in tub... it comes in a packet and the putty consist of 2 colours(light green and white) which u have to mix them together with some water...
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jun 28 2008, 09:33 PM)
well honestly im nt so sure bout the name of the product but the putty im talking about din't comes in tub... it comes in a packet and the putty consist of 2 colours(light green and white) which u have to mix them together with some water...
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that's epoxy putty that you're referring to. there's a number of different brands for these too.
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Thanks for the info.

I try to look for them 2moro, hopefully could find 1
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hehe honestly i myself haven use it before too sweat.gif

seen some tutorials from youtube last time....
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got a question,usually a liner can use to line how many 1/100 model?
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Hi guys,

I'm very new to painting models and recently bought myself a simple kit to start with. I'm very new to this and is looking on hand painting the kit since i cannot afford airbrushing kit yet.

A)Let me get this few items straight with you guys for painting. Planning to
buy,

1. Primer for light and dark colour
2. Acrylic paints
3. Brush
4. Thinner

B) Anything else i should add?

C) ALso, can i buy the the four CYMK acrylic colours off the art shops and
mix em myself as it is cheaper this way, and i have more experience
with mixing paints. Will this way work?

ANother thing is, to the PROs out there, any way to ensure uniformity through paint brushing? or i need to buy spray can paints from hobby shops for large surface areas?
THanks a lot guys.


Added on July 8, 2008, 2:12 pmany one help?

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modeling paint is kinda hard to level using brush for a newbie therefore u cant ensure perfect uniformities from hand brush paint... AB is the best but in some ways, spray cans can perform better than AB..

btw, do primer using hand brush is ridiculus for newbie...
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QUOTE(kyu85 @ Jul 7 2008, 12:13 PM)
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This one have no definate answer, cause some 1/100 model dont need much lining while some need a lot of lining.


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guys, lets say if i lazy go hobby shop to buy a hobby surfacer/primer,
which brand, or type of surfacer should i purchase from a normal hardware shop/artshop? (or do they even sell any tongue.gif)
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anybody know where to get Tamiya Clear Pearl Spray in JB? Cant seem to find any Toycity here.
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QUOTE(xtracooljustin @ Jul 10 2008, 04:40 PM)
anybody know where to get Tamiya Clear Pearl Spray in JB? Cant seem to find any Toycity here.
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Toycity? There used to be one in Plaza Pelangi, but not sure whether it's still there or not. Then again even if it's there I doubt you will be able to find Tamiya Pearl Spray over there.
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Want to ask people with experience working on Kotobukiya kits. I recently bought a a SRW kit and I'm not sure if I can apply the same work like those on Bandai kits, ie. using Mr. Cement, sanding, priming, coating etc. Asking because their plastic seems significantly different from those of Bandai's and scared might destroy the kit. Thanks.
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can.. just be extra careful as their ps is thinner and less solid..
cracking/breaking is prominent if not carefull..


Added on July 10, 2008, 6:19 pm
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Hi guys,

I'm very new to painting models and recently bought myself a simple kit to start with. I'm very new to this and is looking on hand painting the kit since i cannot afford airbrushing kit yet.

A)Let me get this few items straight with you guys for painting. Planning to
buy,

1. Primer for light and dark colour
2. Acrylic paints
3. Brush
4. Thinner
if u wanna try handpaint, try acqueus acrylic (tell them u want those acrylic that can dilute wt water)
for thinner u can use methylated spirit fr normal hardware store or rubbing alcohol fr pharmacy
get few sizes of GOOD quality brush.
primer may help bcoz as a start up u might consider thinning ur paint more, as thin paint is harder to stick, a good hobby primer such as gunze mr primer 1200 really help.
only thing u need to practise is painting thinning and handpainting on scrap plastics.
reason for acques acrylics? if u ruin ur paint job, just dip in windex it will remove everything without harming ur kit.
if u use mr color (solvent base) u'll need hobby thinner(expensif) or brake fluid but might harm ur kit.


B) Anything else i should add?
no need buy everyhting at one go.. u'll discover wat u need to buy as u move along..

C) ALso, can i buy the the four CYMK acrylic colours off the art shops and
mix em myself as it is cheaper this way, and i have more experience
with mixing paints. Will this way work?
theoritically shud work but seriously.. too much hassle laugh.gif
with nowadays all paint aren't packed in big bottles, so why not buy straight the color u need ohmy.gif
ANother thing is, to the PROs out there, any way to ensure uniformity through paint brushing? or i need to buy spray can paints from hobby shops for large surface areas?
THanks a lot guys.
practise is the key.
however, if u finished off ur handpainted kit with mr.top coat (flat), that shud flatten out at least half of ur brush strokes..
try it laugh.gif



Added on July 8, 2008, 2:12 pmany one help?
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Added on July 10, 2008, 6:22 pmhope above advise from a non-PRO will helps..

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i wanna ask.

does chloroform works on gunpla?

as an alternative to mr.cement
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anyone got a guide on the paint job (How-to) for the Gundam Wing Zero's wings to make it like er... grayish... or tarnish er... u know... like they're not brand new as they are from the box?

sorry for the bad description... i hope i got my question through.... blink.gif
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Jul 10 2008, 07:29 PM)
anyone got a guide on the paint job (How-to) for the Gundam Wing Zero's wings to make it like er... grayish... or tarnish er... u know... like they're not brand new as they are from the box?

sorry for the bad description... i hope i got my question through....  blink.gif
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Airbrush it and do shading effect on it! Or used those Tamiya Enamel Paint to paint grey on ur wings then wipe them off it with the thinner again. Last is used Flat Top Coat to kill the gloss and then do panel lining with Enamel paint and try wipe a bit of those tat run out of the panel line!
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QUOTE(300078 @ Jul 10 2008, 07:36 PM)
Airbrush it and do shading effect on it! Or used those Tamiya Enamel Paint to paint grey on ur wings then wipe them off it with the thinner again. Last is used Flat Top Coat to kill the gloss and then do panel lining with Enamel paint and try wipe a bit of those tat run out of the panel line!
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sounds complicated and difficult.... :-S

any simplier explanation or step by step for noobies? sad.gif
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first Airbrush one i think u cannot do it
Second one is enamel paint, try finding it loh but i think is still a bit hard for u to understand
So the last one Flat top coat and panel lining loh! This one most easy all u need is go buy a can of those Flat top coat from hobby shop and spray it on to ur kit then Panel line using some gundam marker (those very Fine one) then Flat top coat on it again! It will kill off the glossiness on the gundam's Wing but u wont get the greyish effect! Tat need shading technique which u required a compressor and airbrush
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can someone teach me how to remove the seam line properly? i've been using mr cement s, apply to the gaps and press it hard for a minute or so before sanding. the result isn't satisfactory sad.gif
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QUOTE(gundamalpha @ Jul 11 2008, 05:13 PM)
can someone teach me how to remove the seam line properly? i've been using mr cement s, apply to the gaps and press it hard for a minute or so before sanding. the result isn't satisfactory sad.gif
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thers other way, that is by using putty but cement is easier to use doh.gif ... perhaps u nid to pick up some skills hmm.gif ...

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QUOTE(gundamalpha @ Jul 11 2008, 05:13 PM)
can someone teach me how to remove the seam line properly? i've been using mr cement s, apply to the gaps and press it hard for a minute or so before sanding. the result isn't satisfactory sad.gif
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Sometimes it depends on the cement u using and whether u join the 2 parts together the cement will squeeze out enough for u to operate on the part or not!
If u using those Plastic Cement tat are Fine grade u wont get the result u want, if u used those extra strong one it sometime over do the stuff for u! Try buy those normal type one!
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QUOTE(gundamalpha @ Jul 11 2008, 05:13 PM)
can someone teach me how to remove the seam line properly? i've been using mr cement s, apply to the gaps and press it hard for a minute or so before sanding. the result isn't satisfactory sad.gif
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Try apply thin layer of cement on both side.. then press it hard. Left it for 1 day and only do sanding...
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please excuse my noobish question...

the step to apply the mr.top coat (flat) to remove the plastic gloss should be done after the kit is assembled or parts by parts...?

and where can i get some? (at a cheap/reasonable price)

thaanks in advance for ur answers notworthy.gif
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about cement..i bought this from miniature hobby cuz it was cheap..but when apply it seems like not effective enuff...has anyone tried this brand b4?

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usually when we apply cement then paste two parts some residue will appear at the seam line for us to sand right..
but using this no different oso sad.gif

the hobby cement wan how much r per bottle?
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Jul 11 2008, 08:45 PM)
please excuse my noobish question...

the step to apply the mr.top coat (flat) to remove the plastic gloss should be done after the kit is assembled or parts by parts...?

and where can i get some? (at a cheap/reasonable price)

thaanks in advance for ur answers notworthy.gif
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After finish assemble lor...

QUOTE(kurz @ Jul 11 2008, 08:46 PM)
about cement..i bought this from miniature hobby cuz it was cheap..but when apply it seems like not effective enuff...has anyone tried this brand b4?

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usually when we apply cement then paste two parts some residue will appear at the seam line for us to sand right..
but using this no different oso sad.gif

the hobby cement wan how much r per bottle?
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mine cement deluxe RM15 only.
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jul 11 2008, 08:50 PM)
mine cement deluxe RM15 only.
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normal price or u get special price?

the one i bought 7.90-40%..that's y i tried for fun...but in the end not fun sweat.gif
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jul 11 2008, 08:50 PM)
After finish assemble lor...
mine cement deluxe RM15 only.
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deluxe is the strongest can used to make color putty one!
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my cement only use deluxe de... else i dun trust coz memang not that melt...
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im using the tamiya one... very good....
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One question, the gritty effect on your gunplas is caused by airbrushing or by the flatcoat? I was wondering, if i were to hand paint and then flatcoat, will i be able to get rid of that plasticky feel?
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one question, wat is gritty???
hand paints depends on ur skill.. if no brush stroke then it's perfect... topcoat is just to give a layer of protection and also give a nice finishing like flat, gloss,semi-gloss....
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gritty = the sandy matt look as opposed to the shiny plastic look kits come in

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QUOTE(marukusu @ Jul 10 2008, 06:55 PM)
i wanna ask.

does chloroform works on gunpla?

as an alternative to mr.cement
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yes u can.
it's a strong solvent, so it can melt plastic but chloroform is very toxic and cancer-causing chemicals.. icon_question.gif


Added on July 17, 2008, 4:04 pmthink z3r0717 said liao.. topcoat can only giv a "flat-coat", if u handbrush paint is very ugly, topcoat oso still visible, not nice and waste ur topcoat..
practice... key is practice.. dun rush smile.gif


Added on July 17, 2008, 4:05 pm
QUOTE(kurz @ Jul 11 2008, 08:53 PM)
normal price or u get special price?

the one i bought 7.90-40%..that's y i tried for fun...but in the end not fun sweat.gif
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wat do u mean by not fun?
is not melting styrene or wat?

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The thing is, so far when i hand paint i get a smooth flat surface, but it is not grainy - i.e. it still looks like plastic doh.gif
I was wondering if applying a flat coat will make the surface 'rougher'?
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grainy means non-flat surface?

Why would someone paint to make it rough? doh.gif ppl want smooth finish while u want rough one..

Unless u want do weathering
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Not sure if this photo from DannyChoo's been shrunk too much, but hopefully you can see that the gunpla has a 'grainy' finish? That's what i want - is it a result of airbrushing or the flat coat alone?
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err... i dun see the grainy part.. doh.gif

perhaps.. one thing.. ur paint too much thinner already...
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Jul 17 2008, 04:09 PM)
The thing is, so far when i hand paint i get a smooth flat surface, but it is not grainy - i.e. it still looks like plastic doh.gif
I was wondering if applying a flat coat will make the surface 'rougher'?
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i know wat u mean, yes, when we using brush (i think u are using acrylic mr hobby izzit?) that type is gloss one. so still look like plastic feel.
i think u need this.. the FLAT one..

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Jul 17 2008, 04:24 PM)
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Not sure if this photo from DannyChoo's been shrunk too much, but hopefully you can see that the gunpla has a 'grainy' finish? That's what i want - is it a result of airbrushing or the flat coat alone?
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i think you meant weathered effects? like the gundams looks like they've gone through mud, or got slashed etc.
or to put it simpler, it doesnt look "brand new" and shininng

am i correct?

if yes then i think you can refer around the pinned threads, they have guides to basic weathering down ur gundams. anything more you can ask the pros here (im not LOL!) or up to ur imagination/creativity
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i thnk by grainy u mean like flat? i see dengeki hobby and alot of their flat-surface gundams ,in the close up shots....are grainy...and alot of flat oso like that...
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hi i was considering to get an air compressor + air brush since the spray paint quite costy! ( ahh finally decide to get it ), any recommendation ? what model and where can get it? well my budget is around rm700.. thanks
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garage sales there was a guys selling, try search function.

ebay.com.my selling one

worse case, try those hobby shop in the pinned thread


Added on July 18, 2008, 4:34 pmi think those "grainy" being discussed here refers to the finshing of the paint itself.

like those newer hp nowdays, seldom see glossy handphone cover liao..
now they all either satin or semigloss, some got rubbery feel (looks flat)

in fact, u can try handpaint flat color paint, it tends to have a more even finishing than glos paint.
under correct paint consistency and with some practice, shud get satisfactory if not professional finishing

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venus art at Petaling Street got sell...
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top coat and mr super clear, which works better as protective layer for model kit? pls tell y also^^
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both works equally... only thing one is oil base, 1 is water base.. if 1 works better then wat's the point of still producing both since same company...
both water and oil makes no difference just the material is different...
i've asked arnd b4, everyone says no difference. smile.gif
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oh okok.... then maybe i will use the UV-cut ver. bah haha^^
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UV-cut ver is another different use.....
it doesnt go well wiv acrylic, got chemical reaction...
just use the normal one...
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aiyo is tat so? lol k k....


Added on July 21, 2008, 12:09 amthx for the info^^


Added on July 22, 2008, 10:53 pmcan anyone suggest me a hobby knife that is able to cut thick plastic kit? as thick as cutting a piece of part into half nicely...

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Can someone tell me if it's a good option to buy an Airtank and refill air with Tyre Pumps found in Petrol Station?

Buying a Compressor is such a hassle also I heard we need to periodically maintain the compressor like adding/changing oil etc.
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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Jul 20 2008, 10:56 PM)
UV-cut ver is another different use.....
it doesnt go well wiv acrylic, got chemical reaction...
just use the normal one...
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btw... if we would use super clear, do i need to do panel lining after apply super clear ? or is no different, since the gundam marker also is the oil-based type ? But the dry-transfer decal & the normal decal is recommend to apply after spray super clear coat, right ?
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well, modellers do it like tat, afta painting the whole kit, topcoat/superclear once then panel lining and decals(any type) then lastly another layer of topcoat/superclear...
if u do just snap fit, doesn't really matter which goes 1st to me...

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can anyone suggest me a hobby knife that is able to cut thick plastic kit? as thick as cutting a piece of part into half nicely...

thick plastic ppl use hobby saws to cut alr... knifes usually cut small parts not not recommended to cut thick parts, u might get hurt easily..
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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Jul 23 2008, 04:18 PM)
well, modellers do it like tat, afta painting the whole kit, topcoat/superclear once then panel lining and decals(any type) then lastly another layer of topcoat/superclear...
if u do just snap fit, doesn't really matter which goes 1st to me...

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hmm...well , i think most of all, i will just do snap fit without painting the whole kit.

Cause before this, i think i recall reading some article from some fella before that said if apply superclear coat after you do panel lining & apply decals, it will somehow "melt" the lining making the ink looks like it was burst out, & would melt the decals too.
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hmm... topcoats won't melt anything...
they just make ur decals blend better with the kit so that it looks natural and superclear makes ur lining darken tat's wat i've experienced
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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Jul 23 2008, 04:48 PM)
hmm... topcoats won't melt anything...
they just make ur decals blend better with the kit so that it looks natural and superclear makes ur lining darken tat's wat i've experienced
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Oic... then i shall feel much more safer when i am apply decals first. & save the lining for last step.


thanks for all the explaination smile.gif
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QUOTE(advocado @ Jul 23 2008, 03:27 PM)
Can someone tell me if it's a good option to buy an Airtank and refill air with Tyre Pumps found in Petrol Station?

Buying a Compressor is such a hassle also I heard we need to periodically maintain the compressor like adding/changing oil etc.
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Can somebody give him an idea?

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QUOTE(bartbarb @ Jul 23 2008, 05:00 PM)
Oic... then i shall feel much more safer when i am apply decals first. & save the lining for last step.
thanks for all the explaination  smile.gif
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no problem... be sure how to apply topcoat/superclear on ur kit... spray at least 30cm away from ur kit, not too close becoz u'll get frosty effects which is a no no
topcoat and superclear is the same thing just tat topcoat is water based, superclear is oil based

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Can somebody give him an idea?
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If no money to invest on an AB tat should be a nice idea... or u prefer GAS tank..
Anyway for long term a compressor will be a much better idea! Since those Air Tank after sometime u used the pressure will eventually go down and if it is too low the air flow will not be strong enough to spray the paints!
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have any example of hobby saw for recommendation? i try find tamiya one in mikey trading melaka bt cant find any...
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go to this website and find, they even do postage...
hobbiescorner.com
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go to this website and find, they even do postage...
hobbiescorner.com
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is there any fluorescent paint?
where got.. thinking on colouring pink saber..
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pink saber can use gundam marker mah. Mark the ends and then 'bleed' the colour down the middle with the 'thinner/eraser' marker. Nicest and easiest way I've found so far.
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jul 25 2008, 09:52 AM)
is there any fluorescent paint?
where got.. thinking on colouring pink saber..
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get a spray tin lor...
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pink saber can use gundam marker mah. Mark the ends and then 'bleed' the colour down the middle with the 'thinner/eraser' marker. Nicest and easiest way I've found so far.
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got that fluorescent mode?

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get a spray tin lor...
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good idea! but i thought want to do handbrushing..
the thinner can dilute the spray paint or not? supposely can right?
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is there any fluorescent paint?
where got.. thinking on colouring pink saber..
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u want opaque or tranparent. Gunze's acrylic has the transparent ones, and gunze's laquer has the opaque ones. in bottle, can handpaint.
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jul 25 2008, 03:49 PM)
got that fluorescent mode?
good idea! but i thought want to do handbrushing..
the thinner can dilute the spray paint or not? supposely can right?
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well cover those area which u don wan the spray to get onto with masking tape and spray frm far nearer to the tip of the saber... then u will have a result something like this...
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Added on July 25, 2008, 11:46 pmGuys, does cement works on resin material?

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SIfus, if the gundam is black - i.e. the Blitz or the Strike Noir, do you apply panel lines on the black parts? Or do you spray a lesser shade of black and then panel line?
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if gundam is black or dark color, we use another color to do panel lining like silver, white, etc..... but those colors dun come in gundam markers...
we use enamel paint for panel lining. smile.gif
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i wonder if there are silver techinical pens? enamel paint for panel lining seems way way above me level at the moment.
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tat u nid to find urself...
but enamel lining isn't difficult at all, once u try it and u like it, u wun feel like goin back to gundam lining markers tongue.gif
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Enamel lining is easy with large kits like 1/100 scale... but when it comes to 1/144... damn sweat lol. 1 small wipe with cotton bud, all the line gone lol... cuz the grooves for 1/144 kits are small... ( tiny a better word ? ) Hehe well just my opinion. smile.gif Usually i paint my model black to avoid any panel lining... cuz black still look good without lining. ( i just posted my kit over at the Showoff/Progress page.. do check it out. blush.gif )


Anyway, ive got a question... i dont really know how to use Mr. Mark Softer and mr mark setter eh... they dont seem to be doing any difference to my decals. Sumtimes when i apply mr mark SETTER to a spot before i put the waterslide decal, the decal just slide away eh... no adhesiveness AT ALL. cry.gif

Any ideas or tips on using them ? Mr Mark softer also rarely do anything good. =_= Decals still easy to peel after applying it and letting it dry...
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mr mark softer is for decals that are on top of gaps or holes so that the decal soften and go inside which looks natural...
Mr mark setter apply on green decals to melt it a bit but....
i use setter for my water slides, just 1 swipe then the setter goes under the water slide and melt it and it looks natural... dun over do it as it will melt the whole decals...
After applying decals, spray a layer of topcoat/superclear then it's all done but of cos if u're not careful, decals still can be scratch off
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so apply water decal 1st or apply mr mark setter 1st cuz in some hobby maganize like dengeki hobby, they apply mr mark setter 1st then only apply the water decal de le... how come?
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tat shud be the way u mentioned...
but i prefer my way, and i heard from some people they also do this way...

u see, if u apply setter then decal, the decal starts to melt and u nid to position ur decals fast if not it's too late and u're not able to position it ltr coz melt alr...
my way is to position it then apply setter, the setter goes under the decal, melting from bottom which takes away the air inside.... but it's up 2 u, u can try both ways and see which one suits u
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I've completed an afro keroro - the metalic gold version. Do i now need to spray a layer of topcoat gloss to round things off or should i leave it as it is?
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oh then ur method is after apply the decal then apply setter, then wipe the excess setter away softly with cotton bud?
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yea..but i prefer put it away..let it dry normaly..if something happen wrongly..the decal with pecah...or spoil it :sweat:just rmb dun touch the wet decal once oredi apply setter..or else u will sad..
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Jul 27 2008, 11:03 PM)
I've completed an afro keroro - the metalic gold version. Do i now need to spray a layer of topcoat gloss to round things off or should i leave it as it is?
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metalic gold ver??? got special ver meh???
it's better to topcoat it and dun touch it too much or it'll become dull

QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jul 27 2008, 11:08 PM)
oh then ur method is after apply the decal then apply setter, then wipe the excess setter away softly with cotton bud?
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nope... just leave it to dry... becoz it's still wet, the cotton bud easily sticks on it resulting bulu decal.. laugh.gif
just leave it, it'll dry very fast
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jul 27 2008, 09:59 PM)
so apply water decal 1st or apply mr mark setter 1st cuz in some hobby maganize like dengeki hobby, they apply mr mark setter 1st then only apply the water decal de le... how come?
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I've completed an afro keroro - the metalic gold version. Do i now need to spray a layer of topcoat gloss to round things off or should i leave it as it is?
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basically as the name suggest: "setter" means it's something to help set your decal. so it should be underneath by theory. but what z3r0 mentioned is from his very own experience, so i guess that should be right too.

I tried softener before but never tried setter. will do so soon. so z3r0 you better dont bluff me...... i m going to try what u said tongue.gif
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Bandai-Keroro-Gunso-Af...bayphotohosting
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u want opaque or tranparent. Gunze's acrylic has the transparent ones, and gunze's laquer has the opaque ones. in bottle, can handpaint.
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i want to make a white saber as fluorescent pink.. not the otherway around.. tongue.gif
for sd purposely not like those transparent saber came with mg..
if got glow in the dark even better.. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jul 25 2008, 11:45 PM)
well cover those area which u don wan the spray to get onto with masking tape and spray frm far nearer to the tip of the saber... then u will have a result something like this...
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Added on July 25, 2008, 11:46 pmGuys, does cement works on resin material?
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you wanna do something like in the picture
you better dont use masking tape doh.gif

masking tape on beam saber then you get 2 side of color after you paint with a straight line one it...one side transparent pink one side white doh.gif

its slowly and lightly spray white on the end at the holder side...spray can maybe abit hard...but it still can be done

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QUOTE(VincC454 @ Jul 28 2008, 11:17 AM)
you wanna do something like in the picture
you better dont use masking tape doh.gif

masking tape on beam saber then you get 2 side of color after you paint with a straight line one it...one side transparent pink one side white doh.gif

its slowly and lightly spray white on the end at the holder side...spray can maybe abit hard...but it still can be done
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something like what im trying to say sweat.gif btw u are the pro so ur explanation should be more exact to the point icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jul 28 2008, 08:37 AM)
i want to make a white saber as fluorescent pink.. not the otherway around.. tongue.gif
for sd purposely not like those transparent saber came with mg..
if got glow in the dark even better..  hmm.gif
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then both an be used. for the acrylic paint, since it's translucent, u have gotta paint it white first. as white as u can, then the fluorecent apint on top. the effect is like using those fluorecent highlight pen, and draw on top a piece of white paper.

If u r using laquer, also need a white base, paint over it. effect is like using thick fluorecent poster color and paint on a piece of white paper.

As for glow in the dark, i dont think it has any pink/red paint. it's greenish color in normal lights. i know humbrol enamel paint does have it.

As for glowing effect (not glow in the dark), u need "black light" or UV lamp (like those used to see the watermark on our dollar bill) to shine onto the kit. Not good for your health though. certain color will be enhanced under this light, like fluorecent color, pure white, hence creater a glowing effect. However, then u gotta build a case for display.
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thanks rayloke for the explaination..

as i do like to search the fluorescent paint if any..
whether it's really exist and can be found around here..
otherwise i just end up with the spray..

i normally use lacquer paint
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jul 29 2008, 05:00 PM)
lolz... still no one can answer this question kah icon_question.gif
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cannot....


cement is used to melt plastic so both part can "melt" together...

resin is not plastic...so to glue a resin part, u hav to use AB glue...
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jul 30 2008, 12:21 AM)
after ultra silver paint then clear yellow on top right? hehe vince... better go some where else...
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well for gold ya need clear yellow but for that the gold effect different from the plated 1 abit but seem nicer biggrin.gif
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walau wan continue quarrel bout chrome paint here ah... tired liao la lao weh... now no example for chrome gold effect so wait till i done an example myself liao im going to prove it la by then...


Added on July 30, 2008, 12:27 am
QUOTE(chriswoo @ Jul 30 2008, 12:25 AM)
well for gold ya need clear yellow but for that the gold effect different from the plated 1 abit but seem nicer biggrin.gif
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chris u tried b4?

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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jul 30 2008, 12:21 AM)
after ultra silver paint then clear yellow on top right? hehe vince... better go some where else...
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yup here is the pic i done b4

compare the direct gold spay between clear yellow

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QUOTE(chriswoo @ Jul 30 2008, 12:40 AM)
yup here is the pic i done b4 

compare the direct gold spay between clear yellow
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well if u want chrome gold can set up a DIY electrolytic cell.. hmm.gif for bro chris's gold colour, the left gold is the one came from bandai and the right one u painted it yourself? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(richard0304 @ Jul 30 2008, 12:46 AM)
well if u want chrome gold can set up a DIY electrolytic cell.. hmm.gif
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errm i think you misunderstood the meaning of electrolytic because I only can mimic but can't make it

plus : both also painted which 1st one on the left is direct use silver background + gold but the right side i use silver background + clear yellow and both of them come out different terms of gold but i perfer the right 1 because is way better than plan gold icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(chriswoo @ Jul 30 2008, 12:50 AM)
errm i think you misunderstood  the meaning of  electrolytic because I only can mimic but can't make it

plus : both also painted which 1st one on the left is direct use silver background  + gold but the right side i use silver background + clear yellow and both of them come out different terms of gold but i perfer the right 1 because is way better than plan gold  icon_idea.gif
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why not? hmm.gif btw add the yellow would make the gold brighter hmm.gif

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QUOTE(chriswoo @ Jul 30 2008, 01:05 AM)
nope i done explain how to minic but surely i won't explain how actualy chome works that 1 you need to go learn your self then only tell me because i doesn't know how or why should i?
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I think richard meant that if you want to chrome your parts, you can build a simple Electrolytic Cells to do the chrome plating http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topi...h20/faraday.php
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QUOTE(chriswoo @ Jul 30 2008, 01:10 AM)
err you say simple for me not simple that why i say go do research on your own then tell me how instate me explaning how it works  icon_idea.gif
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i was just thinking of this idea... never tried it before though.. should work theoritically.. hmm.gif


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QUOTE(chriswoo @ Jul 30 2008, 01:10 AM)
plus the site you give doesn related how it paint on the plastic but only give formula how it works only  sweat.gif
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u'll need to add one layer of carbon to the plastic hmm.gif if it really works there's no need to add extra money for chrome parts

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QUOTE(chriswoo @ Jul 30 2008, 01:22 AM)
sorry if i not my intention offended you  sweat.gif  but if you understand the lecture note then you explain it in english for us to understand then we might learn a trick or 2  icon_idea.gif
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this one will do http://www.finishing.com/faqs/howworks.html
if u know english u should be able understand it \ nod.gif
come to think of it, we used to chrome keys back in school few years ago and it was successful.. should try it on gunpla someday hmm.gif

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QUOTE(richard0304 @ Jul 30 2008, 01:37 AM)
maybe u guys sien with AB already wan try something new icon_idea.gif
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lol maybe you should try AB 1st see how you addict to it brows.gif but for those Electrolytic Cells i think still no one try on it or have the resourch to try also as those equipment/tool is expensive and i don't think only manufacture have them.

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QUOTE(whoami123 @ Jul 30 2008, 01:29 AM)
I'm not offended. Just that I've seen both of your discussion suddenly gone to the wrong path. richard suggested that Electrolytic Cell method maybe able to chrome the parts. Then you seem get the wrong meaning & said you can't paint your parts with 100% chrome effect. So I just try to pull both of you on the same track.
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QUOTE(whoami123 @ Jul 30 2008, 01:29 AM)
About the Strike Freedom FBM case, can't say Bandai con us for charging RM50 more for the chrome parts. For those who likes their Gundam to be more shinny then they can pay the additional RM50 for the chrome parts, or else just paint the normal Strike Freedom gold color to the near chrome color. We can only say Bandai con our money if Bandai only provide the gold color like silver + clear yellow with RM50 charge.
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i think the flying effect on the funnels made up a more significant part in that RM50..

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plated gold and self AB color gold is really 2 different thing! U can mimic the gold but u cant achieve the quality of plated one!
Plate chrome gold are smooth surface and u wont see those small gold sand particles! The color is usually really tough and wont get scratch off easily!
AB one, u can notice those small gold particles and also the surface is not smooth and gloss as the plated one! However AB one can do a lot of special effect and shading on the gold then the plated one!
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thanks for explain it....

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i once use thinner on gold plated n it's become silver..
actually the silver plated makes it shine.. the gold/yellow is just thin transparent layer.. some of the colour not even..

so if AB 'yellow candy' on silver shiny material should be produced same results.. it's just that normal AB will have bigger particles.. that's why it looks a little rough..
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And underneath that silver layer there is normal plastic.
Did someone not post a bautifully shiny kampfer here earlier, if it works with blue then it should also work with gold?

Each to his own, we've been going at this for more than 2 pages and overnight now.

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i think it's just direct to the gold plated MS was quoted higher from normal one..
the price is doubled - could be bandai also doing double paint job..
that paint cost alot..

i would suggest go to medal shop..
those cheapo medal like school days.. lol..
ask them how they did.. then we can have all gundam like akatsuki.. smile.gif
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i m a strong supporter of painted gold, always do what chriswoo demostrated, the one with silver background and clear yellow on top.

Why?

1. i dislike plated stuff, neither silver nor gold, nor any other color. it will actually "kill" lots of detail on the piece of plastic. look carefully, for any gold plated parts, the edge is always not as sharp. that explain why most professional modeller wash them away before they work on the kit. Check on dengeki for example, so far none model kit showcase is gold plated.

2. spraying a clear color on top of silver base means you can have thousand different tone of gold, or any other colors u like, to personalise your kit. try add one drop of red, or next time 3 drop of red, or next time one drop of blue,....... it goes on.....


Happy expermenting! biggrin.gif
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ehhhhh tat would still be costly becoz u need to bring ur Gundam over for them to chrome and base on the part and size.... charges may be higher than the medal since medal they can make in bulk while ur gundam onli is one kit.....


And it reminds me of my car chrome part being scratch offffffff.....damn sakit hati!


Added on July 30, 2008, 2:02 pmFor u ppl info also! Gaia Paints gold color seems to be more fine than Mr. Color and Tamiya one! U guys can purchase it to tried it out! Nice gold color indeed!

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btw, for chrome oob bits, do you guys mask it when you spray a final flat topcoat? If not, how to preserve the shine?
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QUOTE(300078 @ Jul 30 2008, 11:40 AM)

Plate chrome gold are smooth surface and u wont see those small gold sand particles!
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a very good explanation indeed biggrin.gif
yes.. if we use paint to ab those chrome effect, we still see the gold sand particles, just diff brand may have diff particle sizes

chrome plating part = no particles rclxms.gif

because these are real metal (nickel or chrome).

but not to mislead u guys, chrome plating thru electrolysis is only for metal objects.

for plastics, a process known as "vacuum deposition" is applied for plating plastics smile.gif

by the way, electrolysis only require the plating solution and ac voltage meter, not really complicated blush.gif no need to worry about the chemistry part laugh.gif

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lao.. if i not wrong... the liquid required for electrolysis is air suling right?
Car battery water.. tongue.gif u can use battery water as the medium..

lao.. i forget the setup already.. but i think no problem if using that method to do plating...

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man.. i'm not going into chemistry but i can tell u no way plastics is plated using electroplating.. it just doesn't work because:

1) there's no current between the circuit set up and the plastic
2) the plastics simple can't release electrons from the set up, hence plating material won't stick to it.

plating plastics utilize a diff process..

the water u need is a salt solution of the material u want to plate.

eg. nickel = nickel chloride

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doh.gif i didn't say plastic plating lar....
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opps.. my mistakes.. tongue.gif
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May i suggest tamiya's Enamel Titanium Gold ? Currently available at hobbies corner... heres an example of my HG Nadleeh with bits of titanium gold all over :

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The shield has Titanium Gold on it... and u cant see the " grains " u usually get with other Metallic colors... very nice gold indeed.

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hmm.. interesting.. do u have a zoom/close up pic??

that wud help alot for my 4-eyes tongue.gif
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recently i just bought some GAIA gold color to do experiment, they said this GAIA color all have fine particles and very good for gloss surface (especially ppl building car model)....so i might as well tried it out since it is bigger in bottle size and cheaper compare to all other brand!
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lao sweat.gif the 1st tme i asked bout this chrome gold paint effect no one answer my question at all... out of all sudden everyone is discussing bout it!! great!! now my question got plenty of solving ways laugh.gif

btw i juz asked the hobby shop owner this afternoon after school... he say by using AB u cant produce a smooth surface like factory-chromed parts, but he say it is possible to do it to near 98%-99% same....

1. super chrome silver paint as base(as mirror-like as possible, use 0.2mm AB pen),
2. a layer of clear yellow, use 0.2mm AB pen(bout the ton, can mix with clear orange)
3.**most importantly!! to make it super duper gloss, use a piece of printing white paper and sand(it is rub actually, almost same like using sandpaper to sand sweat.gif ) it till smooth...

**the result should be nearly the same as factory chrome parts drool.gif ....

MEANWHILE, i also asked my chemistry teacher bout metal plating today, and i got a big smack from him on my back doh.gif ...

he say... ( vmad.gif edward, how could you metal plated something which the electrons can't even pass through it? ur toy is plastic not metal! don't u know that plastic can't be plated using the normal way? if u say use a layer of carbon for the plastic surface... fine... then what bout the plated material resource? are u going to use your mother's gold ring just to plate your toy? think again or else your SPM chemistry will fail for electrolysis chapter! "SMACK" doh.gif

here's another question appears in my mind from what he say doh.gif . how bandai gold plate the parts? what they use? is it really gold plated or just dip it into ink container containing clear yellow paint and let it dry later on sweat.gif ?

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QUOTE(erh_teo @ Jul 30 2008, 04:39 PM)
a very good explanation indeed biggrin.gif
yes.. if we use paint to ab those chrome effect, we still see the gold sand particles, just diff brand may have diff particle sizes

chrome plating part = no particles rclxms.gif

because these are real metal (nickel or chrome).

but not to mislead u guys, chrome plating thru electrolysis is only for metal objects.

for plastics, a process known as "vacuum deposition" is applied for plating plastics smile.gif

by the way, electrolysis only require the plating solution and ac voltage meter, not really complicated blush.gif  no need to worry about the chemistry part laugh.gif
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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jul 30 2008, 10:13 PM)
lao sweat.gif the 1st tme i asked bout this chrome gold paint effect no one answer my question at all... out of all sudden everyone is discussing bout it!! great!! now my question got plenty of solving ways laugh.gif

btw i juz asked the hobby shop owner this afternoon after school... he say by using AB u cant produce a smooth surface like factory-chromed parts, but he say it is possible to do it to near 98%-99% same....

1. super chrome silver paint as base(as mirror-like as possible, use 0.2mm AB pen),
2. a layer of clear yellow, use 0.2mm AB pen(bout the ton, can mix with clear orange)
3.**most importantly!! to make it super duper gloss, use a piece of printing white paper and sand it till smooth...

**the result should be nearly the same as factory chrome parts drool.gif ....

MEANWHILE, i also asked my chemistry teacher bout metal plating today, and i got a big smack from him on my back doh.gif ...

he say... (  vmad.gif edward, how could you metal plated something which the electrons can't even pass through it? ur toy is plastic not metal! don't u know that plastic can't be plated using the normal way? if u say use a layer of carbon for the plastic surface... fine... then what bout the plated material resource? are u going to use your mother's gold ring just to plate your toy? think again or else your SPM chemistry will fail for electrolysis chapter! "SMACK" doh.gif

here's another question appears in my mind from what he say doh.gif . how bandai gold plate the parts? what they use? is it really gold plated or just dip it into ink container containing clear yellow paint and let it dry later on sweat.gif ?
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jul 30 2008, 10:17 PM)
Clearly enuff u didn't read properly.. doh.gif
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doh.gif i just tell out what my teacher told me la... and this post is sent today 4.39pm le not yesterday.... i ask my teacher this morning...
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now mr.edwardgsk

can you please stop this chrome thingy nonsense...
like what sunnyboy been telling you since yesterday...you CANT achieve those chrome shiny effect with your bloody AB!
you need machine to do that...you no need to go ask here and there one la...we all here know its machine made...

now i want this nonsense stupid question to stop before i need to delete whole bunch of silly war again tomoro doh.gif

teacher teacher teacher one you...

why not you go study for you SPM instead of busy about something not related to your future also

your SPM decide your future later...go study la doh.gif

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..... so mean sweat.gif

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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Jul 31 2008, 06:56 PM)
..... so mean sweat.gif
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haha i think we should snap out of this chrome plating topic it's going nowhere doh.gif
sorry for the silly idea though... hmm.gif

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finaly chome war over rclxm9.gif


but come to 1 most important topic i like to as related to AB methold that is what the MOST effecient way of masking when comes to details part coloring can anyone suggest that? hmm.gif for me i done some research that only best and more effecient masking is tamiya masking tape and fluid sol mask but to apply it is not easy so any expert here got know how to use that is more better way then me >,<? it may help those who want paint 1/144 kits and above icon_idea.gif
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use normal brush instead of the bottle cap brush
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got any comparisen the different between normal and bottle cap brush it help for others understand better biggrin.gif
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easier to apply la doh.gif
comparison what
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haha i mean got picture bo difference between those 2 brush >,<
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why you also always so blur one

normal brush as in those use to paint one la deng
means you can use whatever size of the brush for easy apply on your kits doh.gif

if you just use the cap one...just one size and maybe hard to apply on the smaller area doh.gif

there...still confuse are you doh.gif
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Guys, when trying to AB Mr Surfacer 1200, i get a fair amount of spiderwebbing doh.gif
Do i need to use Mr Leveller Thinner instead of the normal thinner or am i doing something wrong? Spray distance 15 cm psi 15.

Also, i get a little bit of spider webbing when painting on colours. Why is this? Paint mix off?
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Jul 31 2008, 07:55 PM)
Guys, when trying to AB Mr Surfacer 1200, i get a fair amount of spiderwebbing doh.gif
Do i need to use Mr Leveller Thinner instead of the normal thinner or am i doing something wrong? Spray distance 15 cm psi 15.

Also, i get a little bit of spider webbing when painting on colours. Why is this? Paint mix off?
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Your paint is not thin enough... put more thinner/ levelling thinner ...

If still got web the put some Mr. Retarder mild into ur mixture. ( Sumtimes i use it, sumtimes i dont... lol )

Or just use Mr Leveling Thinner.... cuz the Leveling Thinner alredi has retarder mixed into it... no need the hassle of figuring out how much Retarder u have to put. smile.gif

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QUOTE(noob4life @ Jul 31 2008, 08:17 PM)
Your paint is not thin enough... put more thinner/ levelling thinner ...

If still got web the put some Mr. Retarder mild into ur mixture. ( Sumtimes i use it, sumtimes i dont... lol )

Or just use Mr Leveling Thinner.... cuz the Leveling Thinner alredi has retarder mixed into it... no need the hassle of figuring out how much Retarder u have to put.  smile.gif
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nothing to do with retarder mild....

your paint is too thick, add more thinner......use a ratio of 1:3 or 1:4
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Diluted my paint a little bit and walla, no problems already. Thanks.
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hi bout the masking sol R..izzit need 2 thin by water first coz i c it is quite thick actually....hope sum ifu can give me sum advise here... biggrin.gif
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Damn, airbrushing is thinner intensive, and mr. thinner ain't cheap! Any cheaper safe alternative available locally?
It is not the painting bit that i dread, it is the amount used to clean the ab during colour changes that is the killer sad.gif

How exactly do you use the ab cleaning bottle?

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My first attempt at AB and masking. I screwed up a bit with the masking, accidentally etched the shield instead, hence the cut mark sad.gif Anyway to get rid of this?
I handpainted the white line and then ab the black.

Any c&c welcome.

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untuk me-masking sila guna tamiya masking tape for satisfactory result.

other masking tape can use but sure 100% paint bleed.
although using of tamiya (despite being engineering for paint masking purpose), stil got technique.. ur technique will bring u max 99% masking job coz it's still a masking tape.
only a laser printer can give u 100% perfect separation of colors which of course won't happen to painted gundam kit.

technique:
1) make sure the tamiya masking tape sticks really well to surface and the adhesive side is not contaminated wt ur oil or fiber/hair/dust
2) always spray against the contact point, even if it's a tamiya,heavy spray direct on the line (masking tape edge) will results in some paint bleed..
3) for car 2 tone painting, where u must have a perfect color line separation, before u spray the color, spray with light mist of clear to seal of the minute gap between the adhesive point of masking tape and the plastic surface.. after the clear paint dries then proceed AB'ing as usual. paint still bleed but since it's clear, it won't be noticeable


Added on August 1, 2008, 1:50 pmbtw.. chris.. wat u asked is actually quite tough to do..

i understand wat u mean.. well.. if u can mask the area by means of handpaint, must well paint it straight.. isn't it tougher to paintbrush mask then only ab??

some ppl jus mod the part so can separate it and ab easily lor..

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 1 2008, 12:59 PM)
Damn, airbrushing is thinner intensive, and mr. thinner ain't cheap! Any cheaper safe alternative available locally?
It is not the painting bit that i dread, it is the amount used to clean the ab during colour changes that is the killer sad.gif

How exactly do you use the ab cleaning bottle?
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swt... u use mr. thinner to clean ur AB?? siao meh, wat a waste... use an ordinary industry thinner to clean ur AB la... wont bring any defect to ur AB pen if ur AB pen is made of metal de... if the tamiya spray work AB pen which the paint cup is made of plastic, i don know lor...
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go hardware shop and ask for thinner isit? one kind only wan right?
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 1 2008, 02:21 PM)
go hardware shop and ask for thinner isit? one kind only wan right?
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yap, i currently using hardware thinner,
so problem so far~~~
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Actually i got masking question too. For example the blitz i've ab-ed most of the parts black but there are certain bits (very small bits like thruster vents) that are red. Even if I mask the surrounding areas, red will hardly show against the black background right? Do i spray surfacer on it again then spray on the red?

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for red i suggest to spray red and then go wt black

coz it will be too thick to spray black, mask, prime surfacer then go red again..
everything fails, try handpaint.. this is a not to be forgoten and one of the vital skills in modelling.. handpaint smile.gif


Added on August 1, 2008, 2:37 pmalso, mostly in hardware u'll find:

turpentine (for enamel paint)
methylated spirit (this can use if u using water based acrylics)
THINNER - for cleaning mr.color (or lacquer based paint)

look for thinner smile.gif

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 1 2008, 02:41 PM)
ok. will remember to spray black on last next time. thanks.
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plan it b4 u spray....go from the lightest color to the darkest color.....
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well, guess the last bit of my thinner is going to be used to 'erase' the parts then. let's start over. practise is good huh?

btw, think i'm gonna buy damn mr surfacer cans. it's a pain to AB on doh.gif


Added on August 1, 2008, 6:48 pmbtw mr colour thinner or mr colour leveling thinner?

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mr color thinner is just the thinner... mr color leveling thinner got retarder mild in it...
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mr leveling thinner is better for AB as i heard from some other forumer.... it gives the paint some time to level before it dry so the surface will be more even...
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is it possible to use a white basecoat (methinks mr hobby has one) instead of mr surfacer as a primer?
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is it possible to use a white basecoat (methinks mr hobby has one) instead of mr surfacer as a primer?
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it is oso a surfacer...but in white color....me using that...
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 2 2008, 01:32 AM)
is it possible to use a white basecoat (methinks mr hobby has one) instead of mr surfacer as a primer?
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im using it too... some forumer said that paint that lies on top the white base primer has a better real-colour as the colour of the paint... true or false? i don kno... juz follow doh.gif ...

btw, does mr. base white bottle has 1200 one? im currently using 1000 tongue.gif ...
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May i know the best place to look for epoxy putty?

thx

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QUOTE(chriswoo @ Jul 31 2008, 07:20 PM)
finaly chome war over  rclxm9.gif
but come to 1 most important topic i like to as related to AB methold that is what the MOST effecient way of masking when comes to details part coloring can anyone suggest that? hmm.gif for me i done some research that only best and more effecient masking is tamiya masking tape and fluid sol mask but to apply it is not easy so any expert here got know how  to use that is more better way then me >,<? it may help those who want paint 1/144 kits and above  icon_idea.gif
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got a bottle of greenish looking mr. masking sol neo too. Haven't exactly used it as i'm a bit unsure if
a) Is it safe for paints - i.e. do i need to prepare the surface in any way to avoid ripping off paint when i lift it?
b) How long before it solidifies and i can proceed to ABing on the colour? Will it solidify in the bottle (i.e. must use up within a period of time)?

thanks in advance.
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hey guys , wanna ask where to get those grass and tree trunk to make diorama? i heard those engineer shop got . or else those make lanscape.
just looking around but still cant find one of them~
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some hobby shop which got sell hobby stuff for battlefiled one gt gua...
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Nope , i already find all shop around the KL also nobody selling sleep.gif''

Art shop also cant find any.
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i saw one shop at cyberjaya selling it... but the price.... quite expensive also... start from rm10...

maybe you can learn to make it yourself....
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Guys got a question... can i spray enamel paints onto Mr. Surfacer ? And can i spray Mr. Topcoat over onto enamel paints ?

will have any side effects ?
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NEVER use enamel as base colors coz enamel will eat ABS...
ppl uses lacquer/acrylic for base then only use enamel for other purposes
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QUOTE(noob4life @ Aug 4 2008, 10:45 PM)
Guys got a question...  can i spray enamel paints onto Mr. Surfacer ?  And can i spray Mr. Topcoat over onto enamel paints ?

will have any side effects ?
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as long the layer is dry...u can overlap it using airbrush.....but dun make the new layer too "wet" as the thinner might melt the color underneath it...
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No i mean, lets say i already sprayed my kit with Mr Surfacer ... then can i spray enamel paints on the surfacer ?

And lets say i already spray my kit with enamel paint... can i use Mr Topcoat to coat it ?

Err thnx again lol.

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QUOTE(noob4life @ Aug 4 2008, 11:39 PM)
No i mean, lets say i already sprayed my kit with Mr Surfacer ... then can i spray enamel paints on the surfacer ?

And lets say i already spray my kit with enamel paint... can i use Mr Topcoat to coat it ?

Err thnx again lol.
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Lol okok thnx biggrin.gif

Thot u misunderstood my question... hahaha. Cuz u said the thinner will melt the paint underneath if spray too close... Enamel thinner cannot melt lacquer paint eh. tongue.gif

Anyyway thnx alot... gonna prepare for bakuc 2008. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(pcomet @ Aug 3 2008, 05:47 PM)
Nope , i already find all shop around the KL also nobody selling sleep.gif''

Art shop also cant find any.
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usually art supply shop do sell those tree trunk, kl i not sure, mebbe u can try multifilla, or venus art. i think the one in mid valley Garden should have too. the one i frequent is in pj, the old lim kok wing college, called Win's art.

But seriously, those trees are ugly, really really ugly. i suggest u build your own, by 1. start digging in parks near your place, also those plant they put in road divider, i dunno what they're called but those provide sticks with lots of mini branches, so ideal for small scale diorama. or u can use few steel wires, roll them, create branches, then wrap/roll toilt paper over them while applying postercolor mixed with white glue. with that u can have any size and shape u like.

As for leaves, if u can buy online, look for a company name woodland scenics. they sell really really realistic leaves and foliage. if not then u can use normal sponge (like those dish washing type. cheap ma.... tongue.gif " pull out small pieces, ab or dye witht he color u like. can have realistic color and size and shape u like too

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NEVER use enamel as base colors coz enamel will eat ABS...
ppl uses lacquer/acrylic for base then only use enamel for other purposes
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bro, can one, as sunnyboy said.

In fact the advantage of using enamel as bottom means after that u use acrylic or lacquer on top also no problem, it won't melt so can paint brush kao kao, create whatever effect u like also no problem.

As for enamel thinner might make your plastic weak; normally if i use enamel as base,since there's no paint underneath, i use industrial thinner to thin it. no problem so far. if not, can also use oil paint petroleum base thinner. i havent tried that, but dengeki almost every issue also teach about that...... worth trying
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Thx rayloke for the info , is that the woodland scenics do international shipment? thing going to get some tree and grass from them all realistic and nice~
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Thx rayloke for the info  , is that the woodland scenics do international shipment? thing going to get some tree and grass from them all realistic and nice~
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go ebay find...type "scenic" got alot....
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This is the brand, so type woodland scenics in search engine. Quite some online modelling shop sell those. u can compare price then. mostly r european sites. dont think hlj nor hobbysearch selling.
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plan to get some 1:72 figure model. wat is the best way to color them? they r so small...

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handpaint wiv brush......
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erm...actually i never did hand paint be4...anybody willing to provide 'model colouring service'?
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u sure u r in the right thread?

'model colouring service'? if u r looking for 'model coloring class' is more appropriate to ask here.

This is a thread for people who are willing to learn and willing to paint their own model. We do it ourselves, and sometimes we encounter some problem, which we need to ask or share information and experience, this's the purpose of this thread. blink.gif
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Si fu si fu sekalian,

Would the 'chrome gold' painting trick work with other colours? I'm trying to not use the eye stickers for my SD, so am wondering if i paint the eye bit silver and then spray a coat of clear (methinks mr hobby has clear red, clear orange, clear yellow, clear green and clear blue) then i'm all set?
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 7 2008, 10:21 PM)
Si fu si fu sekalian,

Would the 'chrome gold' painting trick work with other colours? I'm trying to not use the eye stickers for my SD, so am wondering if i paint the eye bit silver and then spray a coat of clear (methinks mr hobby has clear red, clear orange, clear yellow, clear green and clear blue) then i'm all set?
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u can play along with the clear color for shading as well...

like if u hav a red surface model...u can paint clear red for shading...

clear color is FUN!!!!!
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hi guys, anyone can teach me how to reduce/get rid of the white cut mark on gundam? thankx
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Ok, I'll try to do guide once i get back my lense..

1st, Don't cut too near to the parts... yes it leaves quite a big nip but let it be...

2nd, Use craft knife(refer to tutorial thread, pinned)
IF the surface is flat... then its easy.

If the surface is non-flat... yes, u still can cut using craft knife but this require a bit of trick.. cut left and right direction....cut slowly..

There's no need for you to scratch the nip mark using craft knife also...
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hi guys, anyone of ya have experience with this?

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1. how long normally it ll take to oxydised? say stored indoor, in glass cabinet with no direct sunlight nor any source of strong lighting.

2. if any mistake made, any good way to remove?

3. the base color different, will it create different shade of chrome? eg the base color is gloss black vs bas is gloss Green.

If someone could help, might save me some time and money. this bugger aint cheap tongue.gif

Thanks in advance
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Aug 8 2008, 10:30 AM)
Ok, I'll try to do guide once i get back my lense..

1st, Don't cut too near to the parts... yes it leaves quite a big nip but let it be...

2nd, Use craft knife(refer to tutorial thread, pinned)
IF the surface is flat... then its easy.

If the surface is non-flat... yes, u still can cut using craft knife but this require a bit of trick.. cut left and right direction....cut slowly..

There's no need for you to scratch the nip mark using craft knife also...
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Ok, I'll try to do guide once i get back my lense..
Thankx boss tongue.gif

1st, Don't cut too near to the parts... yes it leaves quite a big nip but let it be...
ya, i always do tat smile.gif

2nd, Use craft knife(refer to tutorial thread, pinned)
IF the surface is flat... then its easy.
mean cut the nip by craft knife? saw it or chop it in one shot?

If the surface is non-flat... yes, u still can cut using craft knife but this require a bit of trick.. cut left and right direction....cut slowly..

There's no need for you to scratch the nip mark using craft knife also...

Thankx notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(rayloke @ Aug 8 2008, 10:57 AM)
hi guys, anyone of ya have experience with this?

user posted image

1. how long normally it ll take to oxydised? say stored indoor, in glass cabinet with no direct sunlight nor any source of strong lighting.

2. if any mistake made, any good way to remove?

3. the base color different, will it create different shade of chrome? eg the base color is gloss black vs bas is gloss Green.

If someone could help, might save me some time and money. this bugger aint cheap tongue.gif

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u r the guru level in Malaysia, u should get n test and let us know abt it ma.... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(sunnyboy @ Aug 8 2008, 11:06 AM)
u r the guru level in Malaysia, u should get n test and let us know abt it ma.... thumbup.gif
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not guru la, just like everyone else, enjoying the hobby while learning new things and hitting the wall occasionally tongue.gif

ok for more info, i quote what hlj descript about this product:

Name: Kosutte Gin-San

Maker : Work

Discription:You most probably can't cant tell from the name that this material produces one of the best metal finishes I have ever seen. By rubbing the powder onto a surface a metallic finish can be produced. The more you rub the brighter it gets. By changing direction and buffing patterns you can simulate different finishes. Warning: This powder is VERY adhesive. Wear gloves and make sure that you properly mask and cover areas you don't want to have this material on. It is difficult to remove.


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Of course i ll try it myself, and i m willing to share what i encounter after that. just try to ask around for tips i need to take special precaution so i might be able to reduce unnecessary waste.

Also since this work most likely like those metallic paint needed to buff, i guess can create chrome-like effect.
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QUOTE(rayloke @ Aug 8 2008, 11:43 AM)
not guru la, just like everyone else, enjoying the hobby while learning new things and hitting the wall occasionally tongue.gif

ok for more info, i quote what hlj descript about this product:

Name: Kosutte Gin-San

Maker : Work

Discription:You most probably can't cant tell from the name that this material produces one of the best metal finishes I have ever seen. By rubbing the powder onto a surface a metallic finish can be produced. The more you rub the brighter it gets. By changing direction and buffing patterns you can simulate different finishes. Warning: This powder is VERY adhesive. Wear gloves and make sure that you properly mask and cover areas you don't want to have this material on. It is difficult to remove.


**************************************************************************************************************************

Of course i ll try it myself, and i m willing to share what i encounter after that. just try to ask around for tips i need to take special precaution so i might be able to reduce unnecessary waste.

Also since this work most likely like those metallic paint needed to buff, i guess can create chrome-like effect.
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i do notice this stuff quiet some times....from the sampel pic....we just need to hav a very gloss black layer, then apply the powder and rub it....seems simple...

1500yen not mahal...but it's on backordered sad.gif
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got a question about applying topcoat....

do u apply it on individual parts.... or like a finish section of the kit.... or a fully assembled kit?

to get a balance and good coverage?
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got a question about applying topcoat....

do u apply it on individual parts.... or like a finish section of the kit.... or a fully assembled kit?

to get a balance and good coverage?
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if the kits got many parts with different glossiness, like a matt finish kit with many gloss silver rivet or metal thruster, i ll coat seperately. after coating only i assemble it.

If not, will coat sections, then assemble, then might coat the whole kit lightly again.

If fixed pose, and there's no hard to reach parts, will do coating once. feeling lazy ma....... tongue.gif actually i try not to touch my kit after finished it.


This i m talking about flat and semi gloss.

Gloss is a totally different process. smile.gif
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oops, the previous post is for ab.

i hv no experience in spray can to top coat. so the process might be different tongue.gif
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so this metal powder thingy where can we buy it locally? Or onli online order available?
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QUOTE(rayloke @ Aug 8 2008, 02:52 PM)
if the kits got many parts with different glossiness, like a matt finish kit with many gloss silver rivet or metal thruster, i ll coat seperately. after coating only i assemble it.

If not, will coat sections, then assemble, then might coat the whole kit lightly again.

If fixed pose, and there's no hard to reach parts, will do coating once. feeling lazy ma....... tongue.gif  actually i try not to touch my kit after finished it.
This i m talking about flat and semi gloss.

Gloss is a totally different process. smile.gif
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QUOTE(rayloke @ Aug 8 2008, 02:54 PM)
oops, the previous post is for ab.

i hv no experience in spray can to top coat. so the process might be different tongue.gif
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lol thanks for the reply... i guess just have to try to tell the difference... wish me luck!

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so this metal powder thingy where can we buy it locally? Or onli online order available?
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though hlj backorder, i think they will somehow restock later.......
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new in modeling here, having my first project with my GodKeron biggrin.gif , start up with normal gundam marker and was thinking to do some spraying and i wonder, any difference if i use normal hardware shop spray compare to 'official' gunpla-ing spray? blush.gif i opt for spraying coz cant afford to get spray-gun in early stage notworthy.gif
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dejavu question again.... doh.gif

dejavu answer...

hardware spray... - might melt your Godkeron

gunpla spray - what to say.. its damn safe for your godkeron
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even keroro's latent god like powers might not be enough to tahan some of tle spray cans corrosiveness!
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QUOTE(edan1979 @ Aug 9 2008, 11:53 AM)
dejavu question again.... doh.gif

dejavu answer...

hardware spray... - might melt your Godkeron

gunpla spray - what to say.. its damn safe for your godkeron
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even keroro's latent god like powers might not be enough to tahan some of tle spray cans corrosiveness!
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but nippon pylox paint is safe on gunplas ma.. still cheaper than official gunpla paints that u said =)

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Whats the difference between

Mr Mark Softer
Mr Mark Setter?
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de ja vu question also... lol

softer for places where u put ur decals got "longkang" part.... something like ---sleep.gif---- a "longkang" softer, softens it then the decals looks natural...

for mark setter, after putting decal, apply on top.. it will slightly melt the decal so that it look natural painted on it..
NOTE: for green type decal not obvious but i use it for water slides, it makes a difference smile.gif
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so it is the softer then that i need hmm.gif

btw, do you guys 'gloss coat' your gunplas b4 applying the decals or is this an overkill?
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usually modellers will spray a layer of coat then decals then another layer of coat but it's up 2 u...

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I want to redo an SD Kampfer. Will Mr Thinner remove both the flat topcoat and ALL traces of paint?
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I want to redo an SD Kampfer. Will Mr Thinner remove both the flat topcoat and ALL traces of paint?
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can...but i suggest u get a new kit....it will cost lower....

mr thinner is not cheap.... sweat.gif
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but my kit is nearly 20 years old... i repainted it last month, but not satisfied with the results. time to scrub scrub methinks.

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but my kit is nearly 20 years old... i repainted it last month, but not satisfied with the results. time to scrub scrub methinks.
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the choice is yours....... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

i treat mr thinner as a expensive stuff for dillute the paint...not a item for remove paint....
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QUOTE(sunnyboy @ Aug 13 2008, 11:20 AM)
the choice is yours....... notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif

i treat mr thinner as a expensive stuff for dillute the paint...not a item for remove paint....
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Instead of keep on saying Mr.Thinner expensive, isn't it better for you to provide another solutions other than Mr.Thinner? smile.gif

P/S : I use Mr.Thinner to remove paint. Yes, I have to use it damn carefully,not to waste even 1 drop.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Aug 13 2008, 11:23 AM)
Instead of keep on saying Mr.Thinner expensive, isn't it better for you to provide another solutions other than Mr.Thinner? smile.gif

P/S : I use Mr.Thinner to remove paint. Yes, I have to use it damn carefully,not to waste even 1 drop.. laugh.gif
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errr....me cant find a better solution to remove paint la.....u ingat me GOD meh..... tongue.gif

u can use brake fluid....super cheap...but later your model become fragile, break into pieces, dont cry....

unless the model kit is very expensive, if not i rather get a new box or get the parts if want to repaint......
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i read that gunze has a mr. paint remover. Apa itu?
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i read that gunze has a mr. paint remover. Apa itu?
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never try b4 ler.....u can get to try, n giv us feedback...

i know it works on pinky, aka pvc material...not sure abt gunpla....
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if let say i clean my brush using normal thinner ok or not?
next use give problem to the gunpla?
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usually we clean our brush using normal thinner ma, so rich use hobby thinner mer sweat.gif
wash d, next time use no problem one ma.. nthg will happen to gunpla
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doh.gif use hardware shop de thinner to clean ur brush...
Mr thinner strictly for paint or stripping paint only, except u damn rich one... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Aug 13 2008, 01:58 PM)
usually we clean our brush using normal thinner ma, so rich use hobby thinner mer sweat.gif
wash d, next time use no problem one ma.. nthg will happen to gunpla
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ok thanks.. normally i reuse it for dark colour.. not much..
now using big brush.. sure waste to clean that...
so asked to confirm before got problem..
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Sifu sifu sekalian... just want to know the honest truth:

Is there any difference in Tamiya's Black vs Flat Black vs Semi-gloss Black?

I have one enamel Black and one acrylic Flat black, and they look the freeking same!!!
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black ma... black hard to tell one.. unless u paint d...
gloss, sure can see the black got gloss one ma, flat then the black flat no reflection lor...
u cant tell from paint until u paint on the kit
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enamel paint u wan use on AB meh... no right... so use acrylic lor... enamel use for hand paint... gloss semi gloss flat after paint only can see result.... for gunpla i recommend semi gloss cuz looks nicer BUT some gunpla kits are exception from this tongue.gif
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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Aug 9 2008, 04:40 PM)
de ja vu question also... lol

softer for places where u put ur decals got "longkang" part.... something like ---sleep.gif---- a "longkang" softer, softens it then the decals looks natural...

for mark setter, after putting decal, apply on top.. it will slightly melt the decal so that it look natural painted on it..
NOTE: for green type decal not obvious but i use it for water slides, it makes a difference smile.gif
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btw, except for this mark softer, anything else or product can do silimiar job ?
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er.... dun think so..
anyway, mark softer also not to say very exp ma
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I've primed my stargazer with mr base white. don't think spraying on another coat of white paint would help much? Should i proceed straight to shading?
so much to learn...
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actually madmoz....
do things 1 by 1... ppl learn to walk before they run
So i recommend u, u shud do a few kits OOB 1st. Once u r good at OOB then slowly start doing other things...
i am new to AB too, but i am still learning just to do OOB only..
but it's up 2 u... master the basics!!!
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heheh OOB not fun ler... i find airbrushing somewhat therapeutic sweat.gif
might apply a coat of paint after all to get a glossy surface...
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u can try paint few different level de~ last nite i try silver metalic then black, then smoke and then final is pearl for the gun. the effect different.

The other i try silver and 2nd layer is red.when the red layer scratch off u can see the silver part i think which can do a paint chip effect de~
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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Aug 13 2008, 10:08 PM)
er.... dun think so..
anyway, mark softer also not to say very exp ma
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in worst condition, might cut the edge that expose. doh.gif
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QUOTE(Lucifer_Light @ Aug 13 2008, 03:42 PM)
Sifu sifu sekalian... just want to know the honest truth:

Is there any difference in Tamiya's Black vs Flat Black vs Semi-gloss Black?

I have one enamel Black and one acrylic Flat black, and they look the freeking same!!!
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basically black is black, color is color. what u r mentioning is different finish and different medium.

basic paint tends to be gloss, because they r liquid, and the molecule tends to rearrange themselves in order before it gets too dry to move around, hence it ll be glossy.

if u add some particles into the paint, which cannot be melted, the final result will make the surface uneven, and hence u got a flat paint. the more you add (usually it's called flat base) the flatter the color u ll get. in market the so-called semi gloss or flat black is actually the same theory, just that the manufacturer add the particle for u, so u do not need to mix yourself.

in other words, u can just buy one gloss black, and 1 flat base, add the flat base into the black; add a little, u ll get almost-semi-gloss black; add more, semi gloss; add even more, flat; add a lot, flat, until a stage where too much flat base, where the paint can't hold all the particles, then ll get a effect like spreading baby talcum on your kit.

Try to understand the fundamental theory guys, then u wont ask the same type of question again.

now exercise: tongue.gif u apply clear, it ll be gloss, like top coat. then u add a little flat base into clear, what ll u get? add more flat base, what else u get? do the equation guys.

As for enamel, acrylic, lacquer etc etc, it's just the type of paint. other types are, oild paint, water color, poster color, pastel, etc etc.

Color has no formula. u apply and see what u ll get. dont like it, mix again and see.



QUOTE(pcomet @ Aug 14 2008, 07:44 AM)
u can try paint few different level de~ last nite i try silver metalic then black, then smoke and then final is pearl for the gun. the effect different.

The other i try silver and 2nd layer is red.when the red layer scratch off u can see the silver part i think which can do a paint chip effect de~
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i agree 100% with pcomet! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif all art teacher, professional modeller will tell you: do more layers! with more layers, easier to control color, also will achieve effects others hard to mimic, and impressive!

those color combination % in manual is for beginners, and also for the manufacturer to earn some extra cash; just use that as guide, but when painting, remember to use our eyes!

P/S: pcomet, yeah i always love this kinda paint chip effect! is one of my favorite finishing. i recommend the base silver u use enamel paint to ab, more durable. that's just my opinion wink.gif

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yeah , rayloke coz last time saw ur gundam at mid year compy so try out the effect ~hehe. I like some weathering but still on learning , really hope get more lesson from u ~

I believe my AB also cannot do any shading effect yet coz 0.5mm ~
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this is wat happened to one of the parts of my UC .. T.T
what should i use ? Super Glue or Mr Hobby Cement ?
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this is wat happened to one of the parts of my UC .. T.T 
what should i use ? Super Glue or Mr Hobby Cement ?
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solly bruder, old people like me cannot see what that is lor.....

try to mention, which part it is, whether it is a movable part and such. a digram or two might help.

dont worry, these things happen, and to save it sometimes is fun too, besides helping to improve our modding skill. biggrin.gif
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i think this part is at the leg, something like a skirt for the leg...
shud be easy to fix becoz the moving part will be the rod(middle part) which wun effect it much...
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i think that unicorn leg part... glue it... i think cement cannot tahan... because its always moving one...
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QUOTE(rayloke @ Aug 15 2008, 01:27 PM)
solly bruder, old people like me cannot see what that is lor.....

try to mention, which part it is, whether it is a movable part and such. a digram or two might help.

dont worry, these things happen, and to save it sometimes is fun too, besides helping to improve our modding skill. biggrin.gif
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the part is the leg part ..

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yealor... it's unicorn's part...
let me giv u a heads up..
if u plan to paint this kit, choose a mode u like.. paint and do tat mode...
dun paint d, play wiv the modes coz easy paint scratch and break later... smile.gif
if u wan destroy mode, afta painting then fix it back to destroy mode then ur leg part wun break again easily
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oo ... i din plan to paint it la .. still a noob .. hehe ..
so now just glue the broken part with super glue then ok ady ?
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let it cure first... but i think you better fixed it into one mode... becoz sure not that kuat also...
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QUOTE(edan1979 @ Aug 15 2008, 05:43 PM)
let it cure first... but i think you better fixed it into one mode... becoz sure not that kuat also...
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hey i'm new here, i just wanna ask what should i need to mod my kit with? my Legend Gundam look odd.
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err... you need time... guts... money... creativity... and go read the whole mecha thread.... then you got some idea how to mod your legend... doh.gif
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lol, i don't dare the touch my Destiny Extreme Blast (MG), just build the head and the body part. should i buy a marker first or i build the whole thing? i can't wait to see how beautiful issit man haha!!
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QUOTE(NickNG20 @ Aug 15 2008, 06:57 PM)
hey i'm new here, i just wanna ask what should i need to mod my kit with? my Legend Gundam look odd.
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QUOTE(NickNG20 @ Aug 16 2008, 02:01 AM)
lol, i don't dare the touch my Destiny Extreme Blast  (MG), just build the head and the body part. should i buy a marker first or i build the whole thing? i can't wait to see how beautiful issit man haha!!
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ha ha welcome to the gunpla world.

well i guess now u should really concerntrate in snap fitting the kit right (no broken parts), cover seam line, and get a few bottle of paint and color your kit.

about modding, i would recommend in this stage, at least u should forget about it first. do 5 or 6 kits at least, with seamline covered, and color satisfying, then only should start thinking about it. be patient my fren.

learn the basic first. smile.gif

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lol ok hahaha.. its time for me to get me a marker and start drawing those line haha.
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Anyone seen this in Malaysia before?
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Seen this in HK modelling forum and they are using this to fill up those hole in model kits (any term for this?)
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malaysia ppl use bondite(a type of putty)
i heard AF got sell this product suitable for gunpla but it's for industrial one la
for gunpla wan got tamiya but ain't cheap sweat.gif
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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Aug 17 2008, 10:56 PM)
malaysia ppl use bondite(a type of putty)
i heard AF got sell this product suitable for gunpla but it's for industrial one la
for gunpla wan got tamiya but ain't cheap sweat.gif
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I am looking for cheap putty.....
Mind to post or show me any link on how the bondite looks like?
And how much would that be?
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guys wan ask tis type of spray can use on gundam kit anot

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QUOTE(striderozy @ Aug 17 2008, 10:02 PM)
I am looking for cheap putty.....
Mind to post or show me any link on how the bondite looks like?
And how much would that be?
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i myself havnt see the thing b4 coz i also wan to get one..
it would cost RM7-9...

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guys wan ask tis type of spray can use on gundam kit anot
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erm.... why don't u try nippon pylox, a lot of colors summore whistling.gif
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anybody ask for bondite.... this is it... clearly as it says... doh.gif

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QUOTE(z3r0717 @ Aug 17 2008, 11:26 PM)
i myself havnt see the thing b4 coz i also wan to get one..
it would cost RM7-9...
erm.... why don't u try nippon pylox, a lot of colors summore whistling.gif
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By the way, I use Arrow brand for my gunpla spraying also......


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anybody ask for bondite.... this is it... clearly as it says... doh.gif

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Thanks buddy.....
How much it costs?
Fast to get harden?

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super cheap only... around rm 3.50 to RM 9... depend on shop la...

but its harden in one day.... easy to use also....

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where u get it? AF?
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hardware shop near my house....
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aiks..... doh.gif
wanna get one la... i use polyester putty, not suitable for covering holes.. lol
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i also accidently found it... tengok the shop susun it all... nice nice... tongue.gif
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i heard mr surfacer srraight out of the bottle also can use to cover holes.
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lol.... not those kind of holes we're talking about....
holes like in SD, u kno under the legs, a lot of holes...
surfacer only cover SMALL seam lines
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QUOTE(striderozy @ Aug 17 2008, 09:54 PM)
Anyone seen this in Malaysia before?
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Seen this in HK modelling forum and they are using this to fill up those hole in model kits (any term for this?)
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if i m not mistaken, this's actually polyster putty.used for surface, mainly for shaping things. eg, use clay to shape out a basic shape, then, layer by layer, then cutting slices by slices, modellers can create shapes they want, even round shape. Eg like u want to build a whole new thigh for your zaku.

I know zero1st is pretty good in this. he's using industrial putty too, like the one u show in the pic. will check again with him when i meet him next time.

If u want to know what he can do with polyster putty, check out his entry for mid year compy 2008. wonderful job!

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anybody ask for bondite.... this is it... clearly as it says... doh.gif

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z3r0: yeah this is the one, hardware shop near your house can buy la. the brand is bondite, and contain is epoxy putty; that's why we always say bondite bondite............ tongue.gif

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actually what else the 'bondite' can be used?
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QUOTE(rayloke @ Aug 18 2008, 02:15 AM)
if i m not mistaken, this's actually polyster putty.used for surface, mainly for shaping things. eg, use clay to shape out a basic shape, then, layer by layer, then cutting slices by slices, modellers can create shapes they want, even round shape. Eg like u want to build a whole new thigh for your zaku.

I know zero1st is pretty good in this. he's using industrial putty too, like the one u show in the pic. will check again with him when i meet him next time.

If u want to know what he can do with polyster putty, check out his entry for mid year compy 2008. wonderful job!
z3r0: yeah this is the one, hardware shop near your house can buy la. the brand is bondite, and contain is epoxy putty; that's why we always say bondite bondite............ tongue.gif
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u mean scratch build?
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speaking of which, SD Seed Zakus come with an interchangable antannea on the head - a normal one for commander units and a placeholder for the grunts. When using the placeholder, which is actually a piece of plastic covering the opening from the inside, there's a noticable 'seam' on the head (slightly more obvious than a seam line). Can i use mr surfacer or do i need putty to get rid of this?
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 18 2008, 04:38 PM)
speaking of which, SD Seed Zakus come with an interchangable antannea on the head - a normal one for commander units and a placeholder for the grunts. When using the placeholder, which is actually a piece of plastic covering the opening from the inside, there's a noticable 'seam' on the head (slightly more obvious than a seam line). Can i use mr surfacer or do i need putty to get rid of this?
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putty la...


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yeah, scratch build and altering shape too tongue.gif
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long time no posting here liao.

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putty it is then. thanks.
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but note, there is a lot of types of putty... make sure u get the one for seam lines smile.gif
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how many types of puttys are ther in the market?
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i duno...
got expoxy putty, polyester putty, white putty, bondite(a type of putty), etc etc... still got one ler... :s
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so which one is for seam lines then?
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i'm using mr.hobby, Mr white putty to cover seam lines
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how many types of puttys are ther in the market?
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as i know in modelling, the general ones are:

1. normal putty. in cream form, like tooth paste. just squeeze out and apply. looks like cement after dried. normally used to cover seamline; not suitable for really big holes. eg Tamiya putty.

2. epoxy putty. normally is like plastertine or clay; (u also can find liquid form, usually store in toothpaste kinda tube). the main characteristic of epoxy putty is, u need to mix the plaster and the harderner with same amount. hence, usually u can see there r two stripes of plasters almost equal size in the packaging. take long time to cure/harden, but reamin body and very tough, hence suitable for covering big holes. eg tamiya epoxy putty, bondite.

3. polyster putty. normally is liquid. main characteristic is need to mix with hardener, but unlike epoxy putty, the amount of hardener needed is very little. hence u can see 2kg polyster putty that looks like a nippon paint can, only comes with a hardener tube the size of a water color tube. drying time medium, like epoxy putty, when half dry can start to alter the shape. will shrink after dried, hence not suitable to cover big holes, but it's liquid, very good to apply "on top" of something to create new shape/ eg tamiya polyster putty.

that's what i know, if there's any thing i stated wrong please do correct me tongue.gif
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ehhhhh tat Polyster putty.... sound really hard to used....
How bout Clay? those modding Clay? Ppl used to make figure one.
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clay got different smoothness. like scratch building a human hand. use the rougher clay to build basic shape. then a smoother one, or polyster putty to build details.

Polyster putty not too hard to use, just need a little practice. i also start use not long ago, after introduced and test proofed by z3r0 tongue.gif check out dengeki hobby, sometimes they wanna reshape a part which is not straight line, like a zaku's foot, from their wip photo u can see in the middle of the original plastic, there is a layer of green green thing. if i not mistaken, those r tamiya polyster putty.

it's quite easy to sand and slice, that's why i think the por like to use it.
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polyster putty is nice to use, nice to sand.
but have to be careful when using it.
1. it's smelly and it's toxic
2. dry sand will coz dust flying all around, and it's really dusty

Tamiya polyster putty come with green in color
Mori-Mori polyster putty yellow in color

there is industrial grade polyster putty at local hardware store. they use for car chassis.
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QUOTE(tkting @ Aug 19 2008, 06:51 PM)
polyster putty is nice to use, nice to sand.
but have to be careful when using it.
1. it's smelly and it's toxic
2. dry sand will coz dust flying all around, and it's really dusty

Tamiya polyster putty come with green in color
Mori-Mori polyster putty yellow in color

there is industrial grade polyster putty at local hardware store. they use for car chassis.
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any idea where to get those hobby polyster putty?
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any idea where to get those hobby polyster putty?
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for u guys that wanna try polyester putty .....
if ur getting the industrial polyester putty pls be very careful when handling it .... the dust that been sand off is very hazardous (best to wear a mask) and be sure when u wanna apply the poly putty on to ur kit is for sure, cause if u try to remove the putty after u apply on ur kit ... u can said bye to it ... no joke ... a save way to use it is apply a little bit at a time

here is what it can do to kit if u try to remove ....
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btw i've only use industrial poly putty only .... havent try on those expensive 1 yet ...
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Any recommendations as to what basic tools, paint, etc. i shuld buy for starters?(the tutorial thread has too many things eh rclxub.gif rclxub.gif )


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1st what u wan to do wiv ur kit?
paint it?
painting it got a lot of ways such as using spray cans, air brushing(AB), hand painting... there are few types of paints as well, lacquer, acrylic, enamel, etc etc....
basic tools get a design knife and a cutter...
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hey zero dont scare people la........ u should also show those u have make it nice ma..... tongue.gif
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i guess hand paint lah(since im on a budget XD)
which paint would u suggest for beginners?
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hai ay 1st thing to do for all basic to read the instruction how to snap fit 1st then the rest goes on..

later when you snap fit learning along the way.
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hand paint not easy though, need A LOT OF PRACTICE to achieve smooth paint...
hand paint can use lacquer(oil base) or acrylic(water base)
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hand paint not easy though, need A LOT OF PRACTICE to achieve smooth paint...
hand paint can use lacquer(oil base) or acrylic(water base)
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hand painting easy nia just use retarded thinner can liao biggrin.gif the trick is to know how to mix only biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(rayloke @ Aug 19 2008, 09:41 PM)
hey zero dont scare people la........ u should also show those u have make it nice ma..... tongue.gif
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biggrin.gif biggrin.gif my bad my bad ....

here is what u can do with poly putty ....
for minor usage ...
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for large scale usage ...
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and HELL YES!! ... u can use it to do this wub.gif wub.gif
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zero1st notworthy.gif

noobish question from me, how long do i have to wait before sanding off mr white putty?
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at least 1 day... smile.gif This is to make sure it dried enuff...
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hmm... means poor zaku will have to make do with a huge white zit on his forehead for a few days then...
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where i can get cheap n good brush for gunpla?
my tamiya want to kaput edy.. tamiya expensive ler..
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Aug 21 2008, 09:46 AM)
where i can get cheap n good brush for gunpla?
my tamiya want to kaput edy.. tamiya expensive ler..
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lol normal paint brush can ad le thumbup.gif ... no nid buy tamiya brush or wat de la sweat.gif ... i also using normal brush now but becareful, nightmare happens when ur brush punya bulu come out doh.gif ...
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lol normal paint brush can ad le thumbup.gif ... no nid buy tamiya brush or wat de la sweat.gif ... i also using normal brush now but becareful, nightmare happens when ur brush punya bulu come out doh.gif ...
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that's why.. some also not really good.. the bristle like 'kembang' one
later paint also not nice..
any other cheap² brand?
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go hobby shop find bah.. i guess they nt only sell 2 brands tamiya and hobby only right... sure gt other brand...
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my flat brush all from Popular, range from RM3 to RM12, depending on the size.

i dont hand paint, so those r pretty ok for me.

the only hand paint i do is small detailing work, like painting rivet and such. for this, i use chinese brush from Shanghai Book Store, popular ones are not too good. those cost around RM3 ~ RM6[SIZE=14]
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i tried from unicorn once.. but kaput after several usage..
later the result not nice.. the bristle not really firm like tamiya..
that's why i ask for the brand.. n can easily check it later..
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if u wan use it for a long term, go get tamiya one lor... i think it worth the price...

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