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post Apr 24 2024, 09:10 AM, updated 2y ago

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Good piece, some highlights:

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It is, unsurprisingly, a challenge to get solid data on the number of parents who regret having children. In 1975, the popular advice columnist Ann Landers asked her readers if, given the chance to do it all over again, they’d have children. Seventy percent said they wouldn’t; this result, though, came from a group of self-selecting respondents. “The hurt, angry and disenchanted” are more inclined to write back than contented people, as Landers observed in a follow-up 1976 column. But in 2013, a Gallup poll asked Americans 45 and older how many kids they’d have if they could go back in time. Seven percent of the respondents with children said zero. And in 2023, a study estimated that up to 5% to 14% of parents in so-called developed countries, including the United States, regret their decision to have children.
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One friend who’s asked this question has told me she felt regret during the first years of her child’s life, but that, as her child got older, the rue left. For other parents, though, the regret proves lasting. Robin, who has adult offspring in their 40s, says that, to this day, if she could reverse time, she would “certainly not have a baby ever, not under any circumstances.” She notes that she’d had no notion of what being a parent can entail. Having grown up in an affluent, cheerful family, she was glad to have children with her husband, figuring that “it all just looked like a romantic, happy road.”

Instead, after electing to be a stay-at-home mother, Robin found herself in what she calls “the domestic gulag,” a life that consisted of being “a chauffeur and an arranger and an appointment setter and a social secretary and a party planner and a chef and a meal planner and a budgeter” and “an emergency nurse and a night nurse and a psychologist and a confidant.”



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that why many bullshet, make child n throw it to grandparent
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post Apr 24 2024, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(akecema @ Apr 24 2024, 09:12 AM)
that why many bullshet, make child n throw it to grandparent
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or hire full time maids, childcare or send to tahfiz

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post Apr 24 2024, 09:15 AM

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regret not having baby at old age or regret have a baby during young age?

which regret runs deeper?
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post Apr 24 2024, 09:17 AM

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Carl Schwab sponsored this piece ?

Life is hard, but life has a noble purpose.
But this is lost in the generation of social media and radical feminism. Why can't I have all the nice things my Instagram friend are having.

For me its nothing to regret about. It is fulfilling and it is purposeful. It is tough , yes but if you are the kind that gets satisfaction seeing tough work done, its worth it.
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QUOTE(MegaCanonF @ Apr 24 2024, 09:15 AM)
regret not having baby at old age or regret have a baby during young age?

which regret runs deeper?
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having the baby itself is already a regret
it's not a toy, they realized how bad it is after few months

those that think it through and through end up with pets instead

else end up like a thread yesterday...saying life is tough because his baby is coming up....without realizing it's a choice, not compulsory

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post Apr 24 2024, 09:18 AM

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I also felt that such regret is a temporary thing. I got friends who jumped into bandwagon of having kids because their peers had kids as well. Most regret during the initial years. But now like normal already. I guess it’s the hassle of taking care of small kids.
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post Apr 24 2024, 09:19 AM

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If regret, your fama shouldn't give birth to you too.
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post Apr 24 2024, 09:21 AM

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Mau regret apa? I’m very happy to see my daughter is now a pok-pok chui young woman, the stuff that /k salivates over, and my son entering his teenage years to become a handsome young man, much like his father.
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post Apr 24 2024, 09:21 AM

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spoilt brat trying to be parents of course failed la
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QUOTE(akecema @ Apr 24 2024, 09:12 AM)
that why many bullshet, make child n throw it to grandparent
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what if the grandparent pressure their children for grand kids

justify right to throw it at grandparent. thumbsup.gif


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QUOTE(kiddokitt @ Apr 24 2024, 09:21 AM)
Mau regret apa? I’m very happy to see my daughter is now a pok-pok chui young woman, the stuff that /k salivates over, and my son entering his teenage years to become a handsome young man, much like his father.
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Drillz for pok-pok chui daughter mana?
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post Apr 24 2024, 09:24 AM

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when u are young u regret having children...

when u are old.. u will regret not having children
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post Apr 24 2024, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Apr 24 2024, 09:23 AM)
Drillz for pok-pok chui daughter mana?
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Don’t want lah, otherwise may get targeted like raynman’s Kristie.
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post Apr 24 2024, 09:30 AM

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If she come Malaysia she will be happy. Parents here just let their kids grow like wild grass, got government to take care. Just corn kek buat anak tak perlu jaga.
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QUOTE(MegaCanonF @ Apr 24 2024, 09:15 AM)
regret not having baby at old age or regret have a baby during young age?

which regret runs deeper?
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i believe it depends on scenario, if it's the 1st baby you have after 5 - 8 years and thousands of tries, you wont have regret, bcoz you know how hard it is to get 1. if you marry late and conceive, some will have regret because you wont have sufficient energy to take care of the child, everyday you would be tired and if your spouse doesn't help, it make it worst. not to mention the freedom that you used to have are basically gone. if you share that freedom together with your child might turn the table, but some people enjoyed freedom alone or with their spouse but not with their child, by making it worst, they might find it potong stim and ruin their holiday/ relaxation. i'm not ashamed to say, my wife is one of them.

if marry too early also will have regret because you would loose out many things in life. Except you really bercita cita to give birth, take care and love your children for your rest of your life would be a different story.

probably age 27 to 31 to have children would be good imo.


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I dont think ppl will have regrets hving kids....especially when at night u look at their beautiful eyes when they are sleeping...

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Instead, after electing to be a stay-at-home mother, Robin found herself in what she calls “the domestic gulag,” a life that consisted of being “a chauffeur and an arranger and an appointment setter and a social secretary and a party planner and a chef and a meal planner and a budgeter” and “an emergency nurse and a night nurse and a psychologist and a confidant.”

What is wrong with that? That's call being a mother and taking care of another human being.

She prefers to party all the time instead?

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post Apr 24 2024, 09:36 AM

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Apa regret.

Man up, no need to regret. It is your choice, keep moving forward.
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QUOTE(kons @ Apr 24 2024, 09:24 AM)
when u are young u regret having children...

when u are old.. u will regret not having children
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this statement alone already shows you're thinking from your POV and not the child's POV which most parents are
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post Apr 24 2024, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(kons @ Apr 24 2024, 09:24 AM)
when u are young u regret having children...

when u are old.. u will regret not having children
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Senior citizen that lives in retirement home are mostly full with seniors with kids

Some of them their kids never visit or care about them

So these people regret having kids?
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post Apr 24 2024, 09:38 AM

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Second quote sounds like never had any hardships before being a parent
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post Apr 24 2024, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(LDP @ Apr 24 2024, 09:33 AM)
I dont think ppl will have regrets hving kids....especially when at night u look at their beautiful eyes when they are sleeping...
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That’s scary. Kids sleeping with eyes open like fish sweat.gif
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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Apr 24 2024, 09:23 AM)
Drillz for pok-pok chui daughter mana?
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hello polis....

QUOTE(LDP @ Apr 24 2024, 09:33 AM)
I dont think ppl will have regrets hving kids....especially when at night u look at their beautiful eyes when they are sleeping...
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how the hell you look at their eye during their sleep when their eyes are shut?


except they opened their eyes to sleep. shocking.gif
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Better dont have children if want to stay here

Socks issue can become major world headline
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QUOTE(LDP @ Apr 24 2024, 09:33 AM)
I dont think ppl will have regrets hving kids....especially when at night u look at their beautiful eyes when they are sleeping...
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I'm sorry to say this sir but your kid isn't sleeping.
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QUOTE(malaozhai @ Apr 24 2024, 09:48 AM)
Better dont have children if want to stay here

Socks issue can become major world headline
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You can always raise them to migrate overseas to earn 3.5 or 4.7
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QUOTE(sinkiebaru @ Apr 24 2024, 09:53 AM)
You can always raise them to migrate overseas to earn 3.5 or 4.7
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Then migjt as well you prepare yourself and migrate there then only have children
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QUOTE(cycheah @ Apr 24 2024, 09:30 AM)
i believe it depends on scenario, if it's the 1st baby you have after 5 - 8 years and thousands of tries, you wont have regret, bcoz you know how hard it is to get 1. if you marry late and conceive, some will have regret because you wont have sufficient energy to take care of the child, everyday you would be tired and if your spouse doesn't help, it make it worst. not to mention the freedom that you used to have are basically gone. if you share that freedom together with your child might turn the table, but some people enjoyed freedom alone or with their spouse but not with their child, by making it worst, they might find it potong stim and ruin their holiday/ relaxation. i'm not ashamed to say, my wife is one of them.

   if marry too early also will have regret because you would loose out many things in life. Except you really bercita cita to give birth, take care and love your children for your rest of your life would be a different story.

   probably age 27 to 31 to have children would be good imo.
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A lot of pubic got it wrong. It is not the task of present generation alone themselves to raise the children. Raising the children, you need the combination of 3 generations - there is proverb stating "it takes a village to raise a child". If any of these elements are missing, you will experience the extreme condition to raise the children.

If the elder generation refuse / not willing to help the current generation in raising a next generation, thing is a lot more difficult. If you have elder parent who loves the children, raising the younger generation will be much more easier. No new parent have the experience to raise the children except the previous generation - this is the fact.

What is scarce nowadays is the "quality time". The period of raising the children from new born to 3 ~ 4 years old is the most tedious & difficult. It will drain away a lot of you daily energy if the mother is working + no one is helping out. If you experience this, you will be certain to think twice to have another newborn & repeat the process again. This process itself creates fear even to the couple earning decent living.

Nowadays, a lot of the previous generation emphasis on freedom of living, asking them to take care their grandchildren is a no no as they will feel that their time will be "binded" toward the commitment.

Those who have the previous generation who loves the children & willing to do anything for their grandchildren are the most blessed couple out there.

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Apr 24 2024, 09:17 AM)
Carl Schwab sponsored this piece ?

Life is hard, but life has a noble purpose.
But this is lost in the generation of social media and radical feminism. Why can't I have all the nice things my Instagram friend are having.

For me its nothing to regret about. It is fulfilling and it is purposeful. It is tough , yes but if you are the kind that gets satisfaction seeing tough work done, its worth it.
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Lol. Are you sponsored by big pharma and ultra rich. They are running out of workers + users to generate money for them.
Best to keep breeding so we can make money for them.

Sarcasm aside, shows that you're not just delusional but also very out of touch because you think only your opinion is valid. Surely because you had a life with no regrets, other's should be the same too.


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QUOTE(xpole @ Apr 24 2024, 09:38 AM)
Senior citizen that lives in retirement home are mostly full with seniors with kids

Some of them their kids never visit or care about them

So these people regret having kids?
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u see one retirement home u think all kids are char siew?

without kids, definitely u need to go retirement home if you need attentive care.
or you are rich enough, u can hire full time nurse at home.

with kids, there is 50/50 chance your kids will take care of you.
it depends on how you bring up your kids.
you just ignore the kids of course the kids wont take care of you.


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some ppl assume if there is no kids, they will sure become rich and millionaire after awhile.

It might be true that you can spend all your hard earn money for yourself, but it does not necessary become rich when you old.

There are cases whereby the parents get better loiving because of their kid doing well
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Apr 24 2024, 09:39 AM)
That’s scary. Kids sleeping with eyes open like fish sweat.gif
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My mistake...I meant their closing eyes...
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QUOTE(dckm @ Apr 24 2024, 09:53 AM)
I'm sorry to say this sir but your kid isn't sleeping.
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I am referring to their closing eyes...so yeah they are sleeping :-)
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Earth already overpopulated, it’s actually a good trend that some chose not to have children to slowdown the unsustainable population growth.

Maybe one day we just let sentient AI to be human’s legacy to this blue planet.
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QUOTE(kiddokitt @ Apr 24 2024, 09:21 AM)
Mau regret apa? I’m very happy to see my daughter is now a pok-pok chui young woman, the stuff that /k salivates over, and my son entering his teenage years to become a handsome young man, much like his father.
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Pictures unload popok chui
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There's a very active subreddit and a huge facebook group on regretful parents.
Think twice before you piap lol.

Most CF people don't regret not having kids when older because they never wanted it in the first place. It's like you have never liked spicy food and then regret not eating spicy food for dinner. laugh.gif
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people failed at parenting, thus regret
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i don't know about you guys.

but my 22 month baby sometime just out of nowhere come and hug me and say love you.

if i am hurt or saw any part of my body bleeding, she will just go and sayang that part.

every night without fail, light off she will say night night and love you to both of us before tido.

i don't even know if she understood what it was or not.

anyway, it was the best gift i can ever have.

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not making sense, but now if want kid can just order by surrogate. but costly lh... like this just extinct lh human...
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there's no problem not being a parent as ultimate purpose
some people are just not equipped to be a parent there's no need to force
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QUOTE(MegaCanonF @ Apr 24 2024, 09:15 AM)
regret not having baby at old age or regret have a baby during young age?

which regret runs deeper?
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1 regret, still can change. The other you are stuck for life.
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QUOTE(nihility @ Apr 24 2024, 10:00 AM)
A lot of pubic got it wrong. It is not the present generation alone themselves to raise the children. Raising the children, you need the combination of 3 generations - there is proverb stating "it takes a village to raise a child". If any of these elements are missing, you will experience the extreme condition to raise the children.

If the elder generation refuse / not willing to help the current generation in raising a next generation, thing is a lot more difficult. If you have elder parent who loves the children, raising the younger generation will be much more easier. No new parent have the experience to raise the children except the previous generation - this is the fact.

What is scarce nowadays is the "quality time". The period of raising the children from new born to 3 ~ 4 years old is the most tedious & difficult. It will drain away a lot of you daily energy if the mother is working + no one is helping out. If you experience this, you will be certain to think twice to have another newborn & repeat the process again. This process itself creates fear even to the couple earning decent living.

Nowadays, a lot of the previous generation emphasis on freedom of living, asking them to take care their grandchildren is a no no as they will feel that their time will be "binded" toward the commitment. 

Those who have the previous generation who loves the children & willing to do anything for their grandchildren are the most blessed couple out there.
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nowadays don't talk about 1 area/section/ village 1st, just your left and right neighbor do you really build good relationship with them? Many doesn't, don't know them is 1 thing, don't even talk or greet but want to geh poh matters of others is worst. doh.gif i'm lucky my neighbors are quite friendly as long you are friendly and chill. my children even interact with them.

i'm a father of 2... of course i know their rebellious stage but i still have to prepare myself for their teen rebellious stage rclxub.gif even my elder son who is 6, still quite rebellious at times but i know it's bcoz he is scared that he fail to achieve 1 matter. my young son is 4 and everyday still dealing with drama sweat.gif but i'm very grateful he has stopped pampers and pacifier earlier than many kids, even than his brother.

if my in law still around, i know my kids will be spoiled to rot, especially my in laws loves boy than girl. my parent are still working as it's their business thus is a no no. once a while play around is ok. for now we are still doing our best for our children with minimum helps from others. but still i'm grateful that my in law's maid is helping to take care of my monkeys during weekdays.
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Apr 24 2024, 09:39 AM)
That’s scary. Kids sleeping with eyes open like fish sweat.gif
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could be changelings.
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I know many ppl who regret having kids la, after membiak, life goes downhill.

Because of taboo, they don't share publicly. You have to be close to them for them to open up.


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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Apr 24 2024, 09:14 AM)
or hire full time maids, childcare or send to tahfiz
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Oi!
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My parents and grandparents failure remind me not everyone is suitable to be parent including myself
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problem is the kid is carsiew. mentally challenged from the get go, although physically abled...surprise muthafarka!
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QUOTE(nihility @ Apr 24 2024, 10:00 AM)
A lot of pubic got it wrong. It is not the task of present generation alone themselves to raise the children. Raising the children, you need the combination of 3 generations - there is proverb stating "it takes a village to raise a child". If any of these elements are missing, you will experience the extreme condition to raise the children.

If the elder generation refuse / not willing to help the current generation in raising a next generation, thing is a lot more difficult. If you have elder parent who loves the children, raising the younger generation will be much more easier. No new parent have the experience to raise the children except the previous generation - this is the fact.

What is scarce nowadays is the "quality time". The period of raising the children from new born to 3 ~ 4 years old is the most tedious & difficult. It will drain away a lot of you daily energy if the mother is working + no one is helping out. If you experience this, you will be certain to think twice to have another newborn & repeat the process again. This process itself creates fear even to the couple earning decent living.

Nowadays, a lot of the previous generation emphasis on freedom of living, asking them to take care their grandchildren is a no no as they will feel that their time will be "binded" toward the commitment. 

Those who have the previous generation who loves the children & willing to do anything for their grandchildren are the most blessed couple out there.
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Yeah sorry, fark ofr. You membiak, you jaga.

Other people got other shit to handle, your child is not the problem of others.

If can't take care jangan membiak. Old people have suffered enough raising kids, they want their freedom and time off too.


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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ Apr 24 2024, 10:30 AM)
i don't know about you guys.

but my 22 month baby sometime just out of nowhere come and hug me and say love you.

if i am hurt or saw any part of my body bleeding, she will just go and sayang that part.

every night without fail, light off she will say night night and love you to both of us before tido.

i don't even know if she understood what it was or not.

anyway, it was the best gift i can ever have.
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for now still an angel, after 3 years old here comes the devil devil.gif if after 3 years old yet still an angel, you are one of the luckiest father laugh.gif

all i can say is enjoy and cherish the moment as long as you can.
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the thing with these kind of articles its usually some form of echo chamber. usually biased and leaning to whatever the article's agenda is trying to promote

theres no doubt there will be disenchanted parents, but likewise there are also doting parents

the main thing one has to do before having kids as usual is think of how much time and energy will be required to care for them in the first 5-10 years. do proper planning on this, dont just "ill see as i go"

many reasons why people get sick of kids was they never prepared for the amount of shit (no pun intended) they need to deal with. as if dealing with own life and spouse isnt a big issue already, now involve another 3rd or 4th party lagi GG

setting proper expectations helps alot
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the feeling of regret will eventually comes up at one point. But more importantly is ; Is the feeling still around after a while or not?
is it a constant feeling that you feel every time you think of your children? Is there not even a time that you feel grateful for having family?

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as a poorfag b40 i will never consider to have baby
unless i become rich first
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QUOTE(cycheah @ Apr 24 2024, 10:48 AM)
for now still an angel, after 3 years old here comes the devil  devil.gif  if after 3 years old yet still an angel, you are one of the luckiest father laugh.gif

  all i can say is enjoy and cherish the moment as long as you can.
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aiya we all went through that playful, then rebellious phase. i guess discipline need to be taught from early.

mine is playful, i rarely raise my tone with her, but when i raise my voice, she knew she is in trouble and stopped whatever tantrum she's on include crying.


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When life was simpler:
- low cost of living (1 parent working is enough)
- no internet/social media (people tend to show off their success and/or "fake" lives)
- people could easily get along where 3R was never brought up

Maybe getting a kid in such an environment is ok but these days, so many unhealthy things going around.
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if u choose to have kid and later regret it, u suck it up
if u choose not to have kid and later regret it, u suck it up

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its hard for me to have kids, so please be grateful for God's given gift.
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Children for what ?
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QUOTE(cms @ Apr 24 2024, 11:03 AM)
Children for what ?
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many people today still has that mindset children is there to take care of you when you're old




without realizing that they themselves also have trouble staying afloat
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Children for what ?
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These people fail to realize having kids is a choice, not a must.

Why everything must follow what society say?

Study, work, get married, membiak, mampus.

Is that it? You only got 1 shot at life and you waste it away follow what everyone else is doing or asking you to do


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as a parent, i feel that i've finally grownup, karmic full circle now that my kids are teens...and i'm relating alot of what i went through as a kid from my kids, and same with my parents. This has given me a new appreciation to my family members. So no regrets here from me, i'd still have kids, more if i can and i'd do it differently if i'm able to turn back time
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QUOTE(akecema @ Apr 24 2024, 09:12 AM)
that why many bullshet, make child n throw it to grandparent
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true, throw to grandparent and only take care of their child at night on weekdays then full day only on sunday

but post fb and tell the whole world: its so hard being a parent, but mommy papa love u my baby, no ragrat having kids

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child is not burden, i view child as gift from god. we tried ivf for 2 years still x jadi, we plan to adopt

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A lot of those that regret are due to not being prepared. They have no inkling on how to be a parent or different expectation of the child.

Last time got own parents stay with you so they teach and help you. Now is all yolo style.

Pls go google, youtube and learn how to be a parent. Learn the basics what need to do and things to prepare. It's a lifelong learning skill.

The kid will only bother you for 20 years, that's only a quarter of your life. Cherish it.


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QUOTE(kons @ Apr 24 2024, 09:24 AM)
when u are young u regret having children...

when u are old.. u will regret not having children
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Apr 24 2024, 11:20 AM)
A lot of those that regret are due to not being prepared. They have no inkling on how to be a parent or different expectation of the child.

Last time got own parents stay with you so they teach and help you. Now is all yolo style.

Pls go google, youtube and learn how to be a parent. Learn the basics what need to do and things to prepare. It's a lifelong learning skill.

The kid will only bother you for 20 years, that's only a quarter of your life. Cherish it.
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that's assuming he won't be char siew for the 1st 20 years, and the rest of his live
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QUOTE(nihility @ Apr 24 2024, 10:00 AM)
A lot of pubic got it wrong. It is not the task of present generation alone themselves to raise the children. Raising the children, you need the combination of 3 generations - there is proverb stating "it takes a village to raise a child". If any of these elements are missing, you will experience the extreme condition to raise the children.

If the elder generation refuse / not willing to help the current generation in raising a next generation, thing is a lot more difficult. If you have elder parent who loves the children, raising the younger generation will be much more easier. No new parent have the experience to raise the children except the previous generation - this is the fact.

What is scarce nowadays is the "quality time". The period of raising the children from new born to 3 ~ 4 years old is the most tedious & difficult. It will drain away a lot of you daily energy if the mother is working + no one is helping out. If you experience this, you will be certain to think twice to have another newborn & repeat the process again. This process itself creates fear even to the couple earning decent living.

Nowadays, a lot of the previous generation emphasis on freedom of living, asking them to take care their grandchildren is a no no as they will feel that their time will be "binded" toward the commitment. 

Those who have the previous generation who loves the children & willing to do anything for their grandchildren are the most blessed couple out there.
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how bout 'no'.
It's true any loving grandparents will want to participate and this do help, but It's not the grandparents 'task' per se.
They can participate when they are willing and available, but it should not be expected to.


QUOTE(a13solut3 @ Apr 24 2024, 10:30 AM)
i don't know about you guys.

but my 22 month baby sometime just out of nowhere come and hug me and say love you.

if i am hurt or saw any part of my body bleeding, she will just go and sayang that part.

every night without fail, light off she will say night night and love you to both of us before tido.

i don't even know if she understood what it was or not.

anyway, it was the best gift i can ever have.
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Congratulations.
It's a reflection of you and your partner for being lovely and caring.
Of course personality is a thing that born with, she's naturally more lovely but that is only 1 side of a human being, and human are much more complex.
Be ready to find out in other department that she's lacking and ready to help her with those, like she could be later on too soft, afraid of confrontation, lack of competitiveness, unambitious and prefer stable life. (Im not saying she is, just example and not necessarily a bad thing also if she' cruising well in life).
What i meant is people wont be perfect, don't be contended for how lovely she is now, but still strive to give her guidance in all ways of life, so she can be great and well balanced.

Happy for you.

QUOTE(ticke @ Apr 24 2024, 10:45 AM)
problem is the kid is carsiew. mentally challenged from the get go, although physically abled...surprise muthafarka!
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most likely the parents are charsiew too.
Charsiew doesnt grow one day, is a bbq'ing process of continuously many many years.
I've been observing many many years, people been roasting charsiew themselves, and guess who have to face the consequences the most?
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Yeah, wasting money and stopping ur dream…try said that again when u have pass u prime at 50 and see u regret for not having kids or not ,lolx

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QUOTE(milky12388 @ Apr 24 2024, 11:19 AM)
child is not burden, i view child as gift from god. we tried ivf for 2 years still x jadi, we plan to adopt
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Lmao, what kind of logic is this? God clearly doesn't want you to have kids since it's a "gift from God" and you disobey your god by adopting?


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QUOTE(cycheah @ Apr 24 2024, 10:40 AM)
nowadays don't talk about 1 area/section/ village 1st, just your left and right neighbor do you really build good relationship with them? Many doesn't, don't know them is 1 thing, don't even talk or greet but want to geh poh matters of others is worst.  doh.gif i'm lucky my neighbors are quite friendly as long you are friendly and chill. my children even interact with them.

  i'm a father of 2... of course i know their rebellious stage but i still have to prepare myself for their teen rebellious stage  rclxub.gif even my elder son who is 6, still quite rebellious at times but i know it's bcoz he is scared that he fail to achieve 1 matter. my young son is 4 and everyday still dealing with drama  sweat.gif but i'm very grateful he has stopped pampers and pacifier earlier than many kids, even than his brother. 

  if my in law still around, i know my kids will be spoiled to rot, especially my in laws loves boy than girl. my parent are still working as it's their business thus is a no no. once a while play around is ok. for now we are still doing our best for our children with minimum helps from others. but still i'm grateful that my in law's maid is helping to take care of my monkeys during weekdays.
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No, nowadays we hardly know our neighbors due to a lot factors :-

1) time scarcity - ppl nowadays go to work before sunrise, come back home already sunset. Sometimes, even weekend need to work. With the time scarcity, we will emphasis more on the activities they can have with their families vs the activities with communities.

2) many ppl never treat their current living place as their staying place to raise > 3 generations. As a result, neighborhood harmony is the least of their priority. During major festive seasons, everyone rushing back to their village or hometowns, ppl within the neighborhoods hardly know each other traditions. Unlike the village / hometown, the friends & neighbors back then seem more closer.

3) Due to the neighborhood are not close, the sense of security also drops. We try to limit of children to interact around for the fear of their safety. Unlike the new village / new village, we get to know each family by the house number. Everyone will look after each another at smaller town / village.

It will takes awhile before this scenario take the changes for good. Our society will always self correct itself. Only we may not life long enough to witness the changes taking place.
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Wait till you die or your other half die no one help to arrange funeral or carry funeral then you will know
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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 24 2024, 11:22 AM)
i've seen more happy childless old folks than old folks with many children who dumped them in old folks or go overseas and never visit eventhough dying in hospital beed
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Humans are truly confused being.

On one hand people shout, it is not OK to expect your kids to take care of you. They have their lives to live.

On the other hand same people shout, oh look that that poor old person alone in old folks home. See I told you having kids is a waste of time.
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QUOTE(milky12388 @ Apr 24 2024, 11:19 AM)
child is not burden, i view child as gift from god. we tried ivf for 2 years still x jadi, we plan to adopt
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How many cycles of ivf u did?
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QUOTE(V3i HoN6 @ Apr 24 2024, 11:24 AM)
how bout 'no'.
It's true any loving grandparents will want to participate and this do help, but It's not the grandparents 'task' per se.
They can participate when they are willing and available, but it should not be expected to.
Congratulations.
It's a reflection of you and your partner for being lovely and caring.
Of course personality is a thing that born with, she's naturally more lovely but that is only 1 side of a human being, and human are much more complex.
Be ready to find out in other department that she's lacking and ready to help her with those, like she could be later on too soft, afraid of confrontation, lack of competitiveness, unambitious and prefer stable life. (Im not saying she is, just example and not necessarily a bad thing also if she' cruising well in life).
What i meant is people wont be perfect, don't be contended for how lovely she is now, but still strive to give her guidance in all ways of life, so she can be great and well balanced.

Happy for you.
most likely the parents are charsiew too.
Charsiew doesnt grow one day, is a bbq'ing process of continuously many many years.
I've been observing many many years, people been roasting charsiew themselves, and guess who have to face the consequences the most?
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I'll say it is not compulsory because the present generation may need to respect the elder generation decision also. If the previous generation not willing, then the present generation must be ready for more tougher environment when raising their own kids.

That's why I mentioned, if you have the elder generation who are willing to do anything for their grand children, you will be the most blessed couple.
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QUOTE(MegaCanonF @ Apr 24 2024, 09:15 AM)
regret not having baby at old age or regret have a baby during young age?

which regret runs deeper?
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The former will never admit regret, to "save face". They will tell others at least they have freedom.
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QUOTE(The_Rock @ Apr 24 2024, 11:29 AM)
Wait till you die or your other half die no one help to arrange funeral or carry funeral then you  will know
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Who the fuck cares? You're already dead.

Funeral isn't for the dead, it's for the living.

Nobody wake up from death complain about funeral not done right lmao
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QUOTE(dwks @ Apr 24 2024, 10:43 AM)
My parents and grandparents failure remind me not everyone is suitable to be parent including myself
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I concur and am in the same boat. At least I haven't irrevocably traumatized the life of another like my parents and grandparents.
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Some ppl want children to pass down their assets or business.

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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Apr 24 2024, 11:33 AM)
Who the fuck cares? You're already dead.

Funeral isn't for the dead, it's for the living.

Nobody wake up from death complain about funeral not done right lmao
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QUOTE(kons @ Apr 24 2024, 10:00 AM)
u see one retirement home u think all kids are char siew?

without kids, definitely u need to go retirement home if you need attentive care.
or you are rich enough, u can hire full time nurse at home.

with kids, there is 50/50 chance your kids will take care of you.
it depends on how you bring up your kids.
you just ignore the kids of course the kids wont take care of you.
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How do u know that your kids will take care of you?

I've talked some of the senior citizen among chinese people, they are so proud telling me all of their kids are living & working overseas, while they are rotting here and depends on relatives help.

Their kids only come back once a year or no come back for a long period of time

Clearly their kids don't even care much about them. I'm sure going back to Malaysia for the currency they earn is just peanut to them.

That's not something to be proud at all.

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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Apr 24 2024, 11:33 AM)
Who the fuck cares? You're already dead.

Funeral isn't for the dead, it's for the living.

Nobody wake up from death complain about funeral not done right lmao
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yeah lol. saw it first hand many times.
Funeral is for the living, some need it to feel better about themselves.
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Looking at many /k comment raising a child need commitment, energy, and savings for 1-2 decade, meanwhile I still wonder how B40 M race able to have so many kids and still able to survive
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First few months when my son was born I almost fell into depression because of the sudden change in my life. I did have regrets.

But now I’m glad I have him in my life. He is 1 year 5 months now and he’s the most important person in my life. Seeing him after a tough day at work truly makes me happy.

Is he annoying sometimes? Yes especially when he’s having a tantrum. But at the end of the day I absolutely love having him in my life.
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QUOTE(The_Rock @ Apr 24 2024, 11:37 AM)
Yea. Wait till the spirits comes haunt you and bring you bad luck for the rest of your life then you will know.
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>2024 still believe in spirits and ghosts

Nigga gtfo. I challenge all the spirits and ghosts in this world to come haunt me.

Will update tonight if got any.

QUOTE(V3i HoN6 @ Apr 24 2024, 11:39 AM)
yeah lol. saw it first hand many times.
Funeral is for the living, some need it to feel better about themselves.
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Sad right? More people gather when die rather than gather during living to enjoy the moment.

The dead gives no fuck about funeral.


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QUOTE(killdavid @ Apr 24 2024, 11:30 AM)
Humans are truly confused being.

On one hand people shout, it is not OK to expect your kids to take care of  you. They have their lives to live.

On the other hand same people shout, oh look that that poor old person alone in old folks home. See I told you having kids is a waste of time.
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too bad we are asians. if we are like angmoh and can kick the kids out of the house right when they are 18 then yes can have zero expectations from children.
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QUOTE(xpole @ Apr 24 2024, 11:38 AM)
How do u know that your kids will take care of you?

I've talked some of the senior citizen among chinese people, they are so proud telling me all of their kids are living & working overseas, while they are rotting here and depends on relatives help.

Their kids only come back once a year or no come back for a long period of time

Clearly their kids don't even care much about them. I'm sure going back to Malaysia for the currency they earn is just peanut to them.

That's not something to be proud at all.
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the thing about asian families (esp chinese) are most of them couldnt care less on being taken care of their kids in the future after being old

their job is to raise their kids well so they would have a better life than their parents. then their parents will happily call it a day

it sucks really, but this is the reality. they view it as the "parent's responsibilities to their child"

ofc nowadays modern thinking are differing
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QUOTE(milky12388 @ Apr 24 2024, 11:19 AM)
child is not burden, i view child as gift from god. we tried ivf for 2 years still x jadi, we plan to adopt
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how about naturally conceive? how long have you tried? did you and your wife went for medical check up to see whether both are healthy enough to conceive?

for me, i went for TCM medication for about a year before a success conceive. probably you should give a try. if you need a recommendation, please PM me
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QUOTE(V3i HoN6 @ Apr 24 2024, 11:24 AM)
how bout 'no'.
It's true any loving grandparents will want to participate and this do help, but It's not the grandparents 'task' per se.
They can participate when they are willing and available, but it should not be expected to.
Congratulations.
It's a reflection of you and your partner for being lovely and caring.
Of course personality is a thing that born with, she's naturally more lovely but that is only 1 side of a human being, and human are much more complex.
Be ready to find out in other department that she's lacking and ready to help her with those, like she could be later on too soft, afraid of confrontation, lack of competitiveness, unambitious and prefer stable life. (Im not saying she is, just example and not necessarily a bad thing also if she' cruising well in life).
What i meant is people wont be perfect, don't be contended for how lovely she is now, but still strive to give her guidance in all ways of life, so she can be great and well balanced.

Happy for you.
most likely the parents are charsiew too.
Charsiew doesnt grow one day, is a bbq'ing process of continuously many many years.

I've been observing many many years, people been roasting charsiew themselves, and guess who have to face the consequences the most?
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Correct. If the kids are charsiew, it's the parent's fault. Always, without fail, no ifs and buts.

Kids mimic their parents, you don't even realize it. One day you'll surprise pikachu how come there's a mini me in the house, lol.

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Sounds like they are only regretting their own hardship

I've cared for enough kids and teens (big extended family, close friends with kids) and i daresay taking care of another small person is hard, but the sense of fulfilment after helping others is nice and keeps you going.
Even if you seeing it as a responsibility, just knowing you have a purpose is good enough to gets one going.

Assuming you're a well adjusted adults.

These people sounds like kids themselves.
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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Apr 24 2024, 11:47 AM)

Sad right? More people gather when die rather than gather during living to enjoy the moment.

The dead gives no fuck about funeral.
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it's easier to serve meal on the praying table,for a corpse in a box,
rather than a sick person lying on sickbed, that will need to be washed, fed, toileted, cuci wound, bedsore and emotionally drained.

QUOTE(ameliorate @ Apr 24 2024, 11:57 AM)
Correct. If the kids are charsiew, it's the parent's fault. Always, without fail, no ifs and buts.

Kids mimic their parents, you don't even realize it. One day you'll surprise pikachu how come there's a mini me in the house, lol.
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To me, it's clearer than daylight.
parents that dont realize it is because they are also with that behaviors trait.

You raised a monster, you are the one that kena kutip by monster the most.


QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Apr 24 2024, 11:59 AM)
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Sounds like they are only regretting their own hardship

I've cared for enough kids and teens (big extended family, close friends with kids) and i daresay taking care of another small person is hard, but the sense of fulfilment after helping others is nice and keeps you going.
Even if you seeing it as a responsibility, just knowing you have a purpose is good enough to gets one going.

Assuming you're a well adjusted adults.

These people sounds like kids themselves.
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Social media exposed how much out there of "not" well adjusted adults we are living with.

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Regret only if they were forced to be parents at the wrong time. Parenthood is not for everyone.
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humans are destined to go extinct lol
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99.99 of all species on this planet went extinct.

What makes you think humans are any special?
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Regret only if they were forced to be parents at the wrong time. Parenthood is not for everyone.
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people want the children but without the responsibility that comes with it....and also having too much children they cant afford
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having children is hard nowadays due to our work/social life and expectations for the children and the stress brought about in order to have the perfect family.

back in the days when everyone is poor, everyone make babies like crazy

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QUOTE(thxxht @ Apr 24 2024, 12:56 PM)
having children is hard nowadays due to our work/social life and expectations for the children and the stress brought about in order to have the perfect family.

back in the days when everyone is poor, everyone make babies like crazy
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back in the days parents have to fight off barbarian hordes and bandits
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QUOTE(cursetheroad01 @ Apr 24 2024, 12:54 PM)
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covid pandemic was the test...to see if sheeps will easily obey authorities....and it pass with flying colour's from what I hear from my sources. Anyway I arldy start preparing for things that are about to come.
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that's why i always tell my parents for making the wrong choice when they are young, else they would be staying in bigger house with better European cars

but no worries, i told them i have bought insurance and epf to cover for them, just pray that i die earlier than them, everyone wins
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QUOTE(milky12388 @ Apr 24 2024, 11:19 AM)
child is not burden, i view child as gift from god. we tried ivf for 2 years still x jadi, we plan to adopt
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not sure why the adopting processes here can be considered strenuous and tedious
to the point some have opted numerous other ......."somewhat illegal" ways
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Nobody luv parenthood and nannying kids as these are utmost tasks…

But eventually u will find great happiness in it. Those tarak anak will never understand …
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Got married ..
Wife ask want to have kids or not ..
I say you choose I will support your decision ..

Had one .. for now .. still WIP on 2nd
Happy got kids since its part of life

Then got a close uncle pass away ..
I help out and found out do old style ceremony ..

Got walk bridge , got sand dragon , got breath fire ..

Then understand what means " No son to send you off when you die "
It's for the walk bridge ceremony

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Apr 24 2024, 09:10 AM)


Good piece, some highlights:
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I have kids, and i dont regret having them whatsoever. BUT if i can reverse back in time, I would tell younger self that it is not as you'd think.

I love my kids, and i'd do anything to make sure they are happy, safe and well taken care of. I am near to a point that ALL i do are for the benefit of my kids. I do enjoy the little things, but just little things now. I could never do what i usually do back then, travel when i have the money, because now the money will be used for them.

Im not complaining/regretting that, it is my NEW joy in life, but i am not the same person as i was before i have them.

So to those parents who are really trying to get children, they are the most wonderful beings in the world. They are the best.

To those parents who dont want to have kids, GOOD FOR YOU. Enjoy your life, you will never get it again if you have kids.

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QUOTE(kiddokitt @ Apr 23 2024, 09:21 PM)
Mau regret apa? I’m very happy to see my daughter is now a pok-pok chui young woman, the stuff that /k salivates over, and my son entering his teenage years to become a handsome young man, much like his father.
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Then let me ask you.
During the baby years, how did you manage?
Honestly.
By you and wife, OR u have maid/nanny?

If maid/nanny then that's why you don't mind having kids. So easy everything let go.
Change nappy wash shit do laundry every day. Until you only have 1 or 2 hours me time at night.
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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Apr 23 2024, 11:45 PM)
First few months when my son was born I almost fell into depression because of the sudden change in my life. I did have regrets.

But now I’m glad I have him in my life. He is 1 year 5 months now and he’s the most important person in my life. Seeing him after a tough day at work truly makes me happy.

Is he annoying sometimes? Yes especially when he’s having a tantrum. But at the end of the day I absolutely love having him in my life.
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1 year old son here, and learning to be like you. Every day I only have like 1 or max 2 hours me time for my games. That also fall asleep halfway through gaming coz of tired due to whole day work and chores.
Plus I don't have nanny or maid.
Sometimes I do miss my maid.
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Then migjt as well you prepare yourself and migrate there then only have children
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QUOTE(liwern @ Apr 24 2024, 01:35 PM)
Then let me ask you.
During the baby years, how did you manage?
Honestly.
By you and wife,  OR u have maid/nanny?

If maid/nanny then that's why you don't mind having kids. So easy everything let go.
Change nappy wash shit do laundry every day. Until you only have 1 or 2 hours me time at night.
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We have a daytime babysitter back then when my children were babies until 5 years old. Daytime she jaga, nighttime we jaga. So, yeah , went through all that diaper changing, milk feeding at midnight and dawn phase.

Then when kindergarten time, even kindergarten nowadays have after school jaga hours where they feed and bathe the kids until we pick up in the evening.

Then when they go to primary school, after classes got tuition centre to fetch from school and bathe, feed, do homework with them until we fetch in the evening.

And before you know it, they have grown up and are independent enough. Less headache already.
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Apr 24 2024, 11:20 AM)

The kid will only bother you for 20 years, that's only a quarter of your life. Cherish it.
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QUOTE(liwern @ Apr 24 2024, 01:40 PM)
1 year old son here, and learning to be like you. Every day I only have like 1 or max 2 hours me time for my games. That also fall asleep halfway through gaming coz of tired due to whole day work and chores.
Plus I don't have nanny or maid.
Sometimes I do miss my maid.
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Depending on your POV it will either get better or worse

After off diaper you got to potty train and train to sleep without diapers

Then their early education

Then put up with their talk back and attitude

Then their schooling and all the associated problems from

Teen years dont know yet as my eldest still in primary, youngest in preschool

But when they are schooling they have start to develop a fixed schedule so for me can plan around their schedule. Including your gaming and other hobbies.

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QUOTE(WaterBuffalo @ Apr 24 2024, 09:18 AM)
I also felt that such regret is a temporary thing. I got friends who jumped into bandwagon of having kids because their peers had kids as well. Most regret during the initial years. But now like normal already. I guess it’s the hassle of taking care of small kids.
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getting used to it or suppressing their emotional wants probably
or just dgaf
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QUOTE(xpole @ Apr 24 2024, 11:38 AM)
How do u know that your kids will take care of you?

I've talked some of the senior citizen among chinese people, they are so proud telling me all of their kids are living & working overseas, while they are rotting here and depends on relatives help.

Their kids only come back once a year or no come back for a long period of time

Clearly their kids don't even care much about them. I'm sure going back to Malaysia for the currency they earn is just peanut to them.

That's not something to be proud at all.
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I commend those type of parents, clearly their kids have done well and as parents they dont expect anything in return

The type of parents I find toxic are those that keep using the 'I gave you life and raised you' card

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QUOTE(abelyap @ Apr 24 2024, 02:22 PM)
In order to be objective, why not survey childless couple whether they would like to have a child
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but why? in my first post already gave some statistics

no matter what there will be some that regret and some don't

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I dont regret having kids but ill wait a long while until i have more.
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its like century ride and full marathon, register dulu baru ragrets. I remember i do the hardest marathong 42km first, then 21km 10km kacang putih

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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Apr 24 2024, 11:47 AM)

Sad right? More people gather when die rather than gather during living to enjoy the moment.

The dead gives no fuck about funeral.
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there is only 2 functions that you will be able to meet all the available relatives, family members and friends. Wedding and funeral wake. Even CNY also some relatives are missing . That's life I guess.
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kid or no kid stop living life with regrets

some things come and go

move on
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QUOTE(xpole @ Apr 24 2024, 11:38 AM)
How do u know that your kids will take care of you?

I've talked some of the senior citizen among chinese people, they are so proud telling me all of their kids are living & working overseas, while they are rotting here and depends on relatives help.

Their kids only come back once a year or no come back for a long period of time

Clearly their kids don't even care much about them. I'm sure going back to Malaysia for the currency they earn is just peanut to them.

That's not something to be proud at all.
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if so proud of the kid living abroad

move in with the kid living abroad lah

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Yeah I'd hold on to the part that says butthurt people make more noise than happy ones and call it a day
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 24 2024, 09:36 AM)
this statement alone already shows you're thinking from your POV and not the child's POV which most parents are
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So a child that was given life by their parents have the right to say I don't wish to be born, or what?
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lol I'm laughing with all the reply here... clearly most of you don't have children on ur own
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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Apr 24 2024, 02:14 PM)
not 100% true, some bother you till the grave
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QUOTE(The_Rock @ Apr 24 2024, 11:29 AM)
Wait till you die or your other half die no one help to arrange funeral or carry funeral then you  will know
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funeral no people visit... that's a sad thing
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QUOTE(zonan4 @ Apr 24 2024, 03:35 PM)
lol I'm laughing with all the reply here... clearly most of you don't have children on ur own
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We got better things in life to do rather than membiak.

Imagine how pathetic your life must be if the biggest achievement is to pancut dalam and push out a baby. That's sad yo
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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Apr 24 2024, 03:32 PM)
So a child that was given life by their parents have the right to say I don't wish to be born, or what?
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they never asked to be right?
u just bring them into this world with the purpose that they're your slave...and their responsibilities are to take care of you when they're old

and when they ask u 2 questions, u can't seem to answer them at all
1. why did you bring them to this world?
2. is this world a wonderful place to be in?
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My son marching towards 5-6 months

if u ask me ..it's matter of choice

regret or not = no
tired or not = yes

so ..make sure u really financial + mentality ready before pancut dalam

of course you might say ..just "breed" them cheaply ..



just want to stress again ..everything is matter of choice ..

u mau anak u try ; u x mau then x payah just pakai condom or even just fap to yourself (so u dont even need to deal with gf or waifu hassle)


same "arguments" can be done on why need long term gf/waifu? why dont just piap prostitute if your goal is just fulfilling your needs?
why some couple need to get pet as companion to fill up their loneliness? waste money and when pet die u cry again (emotional damage)

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glancing through the comments here....certain people's life is really sad until they need to drag another helpless lives into their life

if that child is being brought into this life just so you don't feel lonely, just so someone inherit your last name, just so someone can take care of you when you're old, just so they can mourn at your funetal and just so there is someone there to bury you
thn i can say that's a sad life you got there, you may want to rethink the purpose of that child from the beginning because all along it's ALL ABOUT "YOU"...YOU YOU YOU!

some even goes as far as labelling that having a child equals to being W in life rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 24 2024, 03:58 PM)
glancing through the comments here....certain people's life is really sad until they need to drag another helpless lives into their life

if that child is being brought into this life just so you don't feel lonely, just so someone inherit your last name, just so someone can take care of you when you're old, just so they can mourn at your funetal and just so there is someone there to bury you
thn i can say that's a sad life you got there, you may want to rethink the purpose of that child from the beginning because all along it's ALL ABOUT "YOU"...YOU YOU YOU!

some even goes as far as labelling that having a child equals to being W in life rclxub.gif
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yeah nobody has offered a reason to have kids that isn't selfish

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No one will send u off during the funerals plus no heirs to carry your photo during the final funeral car send off…

All came can clearly see ur bloodline ends here…

Some said only with kids laughter that is a home, else it’s just a house..

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 24 2024, 03:58 PM)
glancing through the comments here....certain people's life is really sad until they need to drag another helpless lives into their life

if that child is being brought into this life just so you don't feel lonely, just so someone inherit your last name, just so someone can take care of you when you're old, just so they can mourn at your funetal and just so there is someone there to bury you
thn i can say that's a sad life you got there, you may want to rethink the purpose of that child from the beginning because all along it's ALL ABOUT "YOU"...YOU YOU YOU!

some even goes as far as labelling that having a child equals to being W in life rclxub.gif
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Said this multiple times, everyone membiak for selfish reasons.


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QUOTE(swanlover @ Apr 24 2024, 04:03 PM)
No one will send u off during the funerals plus no heirs to carry your photo during the final funeral car send off…

All came can clearly see ur bloodline ends here…

Some said only with kids laughter that is a home, else it’s just a house..
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We got a simpleton here. Lmao.
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QUOTE(swanlover @ Apr 24 2024, 04:03 PM)
No one will send u off during the funerals plus no heirs to carry your photo during the final funeral car send off…

All came can clearly see ur bloodline ends here…

Some said only with kids laughter that is a home, else it’s just a house..
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Lmao so selfish

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Maybe yall shud ask yourselves, would you have kids NOW....

In the present climate.

Things have changed a lot.

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well these kinda ppl most likely regret on most of the things in their life. regret never pursue in ___ colleague.. regret buy first car after getting first job. regret no buy house early and list go on.

in the end, if they don't have children. when they got older and see ppl with children.... then, regret no have children when younger.

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QUOTE(brkli @ Apr 24 2024, 04:10 PM)
well these kinda ppl most likely regret on most of the things in their life. regret never pursue in ___ colleague.. regret buy first car after getting first job. regret no buy house early and list go on.

in the end, if they don't have children. when they got older and see ppl with children.... then, regret no have children when younger.
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actually the article mostly talk about people who HAD children, and regretting it

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i regret not making enough to improve my son's quality of life

i should try harder before getting him since that time can put more commitment to work
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how to generalise the whole thing in 1 theory? case by case la

u b40 u regret is sure la, as u regret in almost everything in your life
is vincent tan's father regreting having son?
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QUOTE(kiddokitt @ Apr 24 2024, 02:07 AM)
We have a daytime babysitter back then when my children were babies until 5 years old. Daytime she jaga, nighttime we jaga. So, yeah , went through all that diaper changing, milk feeding at midnight and dawn phase.

Then when kindergarten time, even kindergarten nowadays have after school jaga hours where they feed and bathe the kids until we pick up in the evening.

Then when they go to primary school, after classes got tuition centre to fetch from school and bathe, feed, do homework with them until we fetch in the evening.

And before you know it, they have grown up and are independent enough. Less headache already.
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Yeah I'm at your phase now but I got totally no babysitter.
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 24 2024, 03:51 PM)
they never asked to be right?
u just bring them into this world with the purpose that they're your slave...and their responsibilities are to take care of you when they're old

and when they ask u 2 questions, u can't seem to answer them at all
1. why did you bring them to this world?
2. is this world a wonderful place to be in?
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good points. do you have kids of your own?
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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Apr 24 2024, 04:13 PM)
actually the article mostly talk about people who HAD children, and regretting it
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yes. of course, if they didn't have. how do they regret it. if they didn't buy proton x70, how do they regret it.. owai..

most ppl who regret this and regret that. it is in their "nature". how also they find a way to regret something due to whatever reason..
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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Apr 24 2024, 11:45 AM)
First few months when my son was born I almost fell into depression because of the sudden change in my life. I did have regrets.

But now I’m glad I have him in my life. He is 1 year 5 months now and he’s the most important person in my life. Seeing him after a tough day at work truly makes me happy.

Is he annoying sometimes? Yes especially when he’s having a tantrum. But at the end of the day I absolutely love having him in my life.
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Same. I only have one son and he's a precious gemstone to me.
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QUOTE(brkli @ Apr 24 2024, 04:28 PM)
yes. of course, if they didn't have. how do they regret it. if they didn't buy proton x70, how do they regret it.. owai..

most ppl who regret this and regret that. it is in their "nature". how also they find a way to regret something due to whatever reason..
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I dunno man

Many folks that purposely dont have kids don’t regret that decision, i’ve yet encountered any. hksgmy is one

On the other hand, i know some that do have kids having regrets

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 24 2024, 03:51 PM)
they never asked to be right?
u just bring them into this world with the purpose that they're your slave...and their responsibilities are to take care of you when they're old

and when they ask u 2 questions, u can't seem to answer them at all
1. why did you bring them to this world?
2. is this world a wonderful place to be in?
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for my case; because my family is chairman of some temple

deity/shaman over there told me got child spirit following me and asked me ready to have kid? (that time we just married but not aggressively to have kid yet)

then i just "tell" the child spirit if you want me to be your daddy; then let's do that?

3 to 4 months later my waifu pregnant

if thats the "answer" that u want? laugh.gif


maybe u can seek clarification from your sperm before pancut dalam?



but of course ..if u plan to have kid ..you need to be ready to accept on sacrificing your freedom or existing lifestyle ..which is same like if you plan to kahwin ..u need to ready to have someone nag u till u die or she die first

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Apr 24 2024, 03:59 PM)
yeah nobody has offered a reason to have kids that isn't selfish
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My son was an accident and this is coming from a couple that die die don't wanna have a child (we got a little carried away during the covid lock downs, and we were married for a year) and I remember that night she telling me I'm pregnant and I gave it a long thought and asked should we abort? She said no.

My boy is 3 now and I wouldn't trade anything in the world for him and he's been a gem in everyone's life.

On the other spectrum, my two friends married. Wanted to have kids. Got one daughter and the father and mom are using her to prop their ego up and constantly tries to compare their daughter to my son. And I can say their marriage has been toxic since the birth of their child.

Two different spectrums on either side. Nt everyone is the same
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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Apr 24 2024, 09:10 AM)


Good piece, some highlights:
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Take these westerners opinion with grain of salt. Ang moh punya woman all mental one.
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Reminds me of when I was about 18, I had a chat with this uncle. He was a friend punya bapak punya kawan. So he was thinking of retiring now that he has his little pot of gold and his kids all post college already. So I was like wah nice lah uncle.....you have your kids to look after you. His response was fuck no lah boy......I work this fucking hard to have enough money to hire a full time nurse to look after me if I am weak. You want a grumbling angry kid who is pissed he or she has to wipe your ass or some young sweet chick with soft hands being paid well to do so?
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they never asked to be right?
u just bring them into this world with the purpose that they're your slave...and their responsibilities are to take care of you when they're old

and when they ask u 2 questions, u can't seem to answer them at all
1. why did you bring them to this world?
2. is this world a wonderful place to be in?
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Parents are naturally slaves to their babies for decades the moment they rolled out - don't think it was selfish if parents wished to be cared for around a decade once their bodies are as weak as the once the infants they brought up. Nothing selfish about that, and that is what ALL always parents hope for.

Regretting having kids be it young or old are the consequence of prior actions.... but regretting being born is the stupidest and much more mentally degrading - the one only seek to blame and not improve.
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Actually , got any parents here felt regret having their kids and still hating it??

Hardly came across anyone who hated their kids/new born…
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No need to regret, everything is arranged by karma.

They come to this life to pay you back.

Because you did something good or evil for them in previous life.

If the kid bring luck or wealth to you, or bring bad lucks to you, or make you spend a lot of money on them, it is all previous life karma.


If you have no kids, that means u neither did good nor did bad to anyone in previous life.

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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Apr 24 2024, 04:57 PM)
parents wished to be cared for around a decade once their bodies are as weak as the once the infants they brought up.
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If you expect a favour/act to be returned, that is selfish

If you do not expect a favour/act to be returned, that is selfless


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QUOTE(liwern @ Apr 24 2024, 01:40 PM)
1 year old son here, and learning to be like you. Every day I only have like 1 or max 2 hours me time for my games. That also fall asleep halfway through gaming coz of tired due to whole day work and chores.
Plus I don't have nanny or maid.
Sometimes I do miss my maid.
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What I did to cope was I had a schedule with my wife. When he was a baby and used to wake up every 2 hours we used to have shifts at night to take care of him.

Now that he is a toddler, we take turns as well for chores, who to entertain him, etc. This way we have more time for us. I am also blessed to have a job that only requires me to work 10-12 days a month. Thus for the days that I do not have work I will take care of him fully and allow my wife to rest. Then I will catch up on sleep in the morning/evenings.
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QUOTE(brkli @ Apr 24 2024, 04:10 PM)
well these kinda ppl most likely regret on most of the things in their life. regret never pursue in ___ colleague.. regret buy first car after getting first job. regret no buy house early and list go on.

in the end, if they don't have children. when they got older and see ppl with children.... then, regret no have children when younger.
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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Apr 24 2024, 05:07 PM)
If you expect a favour/act to be returned, that is selfish

If you do not expect a favour/act to be returned, that is selfless
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Wished =/= expect.

In reality, those that keep saying parents should be fully unconditional is totally selfish... Want everything handed in a silver platter but abandon your provider after they are weak and frail? Oh wait, we are politically ingrained that way as well.

Unless you advocate parents leaving their babies alone in the house and go for a 10 day vacation when stressed - sure... go ahead advocating parents as selfish.


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QUOTE(swanlover @ Apr 24 2024, 04:57 PM)
Actually , got any parents here felt regret having their kids and still hating it??

Hardly came across anyone who hated their kids/new born…
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https://www.reddit.com/r/regretfulparents/
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QUOTE(dckm @ Apr 24 2024, 04:25 PM)
good points. do you have kids of your own?
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of course no
specifically due to question no.2


QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Apr 24 2024, 04:57 PM)
Parents are naturally slaves to their babies for decades the moment they rolled out - don't think it was selfish if parents wished to be cared for around a decade once their bodies are as weak as the once the infants they brought up. Nothing selfish about that, and that is what ALL always parents hope for.

Regretting having kids be it young or old are the consequence of prior actions.... but regretting being born is the stupidest and much more mentally degrading - the one only seek to blame and not improve.
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no they're not...not from what i saw these days
i'm not saying all...there are parents out there that sayang their kids like no tomorrow
but there are also parents out there that treat their children as slaves....yell at their child all the time and it's not because they did something wrong
it's just a normal conversation but they just use a yelling tone to talk to their children....and you wonder why certain "rempit" grew up acting like gangster/samseng
it actually originated from their father....monkey see monkey do, turun menurun

and another point is if you bring the child to this world, care for them and you expect return...that's also wrong
you have to think that they barely even keep afloat, where do they still have the resources to take care of you
and it's not even the future, it's already happening now as we speak....it's just going to be much worse in the future

at the end of the day, they can care for u....physically but not mentally and financially....u have to tampung them instead when the real estate price gets out of control

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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Apr 24 2024, 05:15 PM)
Wished =/= expect.

In reality, those that keep saying parents should be fully unconditional is totally selfish... Want everything handed in a silver platter but abandon your provider after they are weak and frail? Oh wait, we are politically ingrained that way as well.

Unless you advocate parents leaving their babies alone in the house and go for a 10 day vacation when stressed - sure... go ahead advocating parents as selfish.
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We’re talking from the parents viewpoint here

I’m a parent myself, I dont expect/wish my kids to take care of me when I’m old

To expect/wish that is selfish

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Why blame children when they are your seed. Basically they represent u.
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I feel like this is irrelevant in the modern era as more and more millennials are choosing not to have kids and the same will go for Gen Z too.
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Really foolish to tread kids as ‘investment’ and seeking ‘return’…

In bolehland, Shitty gaji , monthly new taxes intro, every month harga naik, housing price outta reach for newer gen..and u expect them to financial support u? Lolx .

Of course if they make it then treat it as bonus..
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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Apr 24 2024, 04:31 PM)
I dunno man

Many folks that purposely dont have kids don’t regret that decision, i’ve yet encountered any. hksgmy is one

On the other hand, i know some that do have kids having regrets
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I'll say it again: if you have them, never regret them. If you don't, never miss them.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Apr 24 2024, 04:36 PM)
My son was an accident and this is coming from a couple that die die don't wanna have a child (we got a little carried away during the covid lock downs, and we were married for a year) and I remember that night she telling me I'm pregnant and I gave it a long thought and asked should we abort? She said no.

My boy is 3 now and I wouldn't trade anything in the world for him and he's been a gem in everyone's life.

On the other spectrum, my two friends married. Wanted to have kids. Got one daughter and the father and mom are using her to prop their ego up and constantly tries to compare their daughter to my son. And I can say their marriage has been toxic since the birth of their child.

Two different spectrums on either side. Nt everyone is the same
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Finding out you're going to be a parent is scary. Some people are so scared of it they do mental gymnastics to convince the whole world they are the smart ones avoiding it to compensate.

Any decent respectable person cannot help but to acknowledge having a child brings purpose to your existence. Life is not just about consuming and having fun.

Wait till your kids gets older and is able to discuss with you his ideas on morality and common sense... its 100x more satisfying than doing that with the try-hards in /k

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Apr 24 2024, 09:10 AM)
Good piece, some highlights:
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Those people ultimately are just selfish and never matured. Hence the regret and resentment.


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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Apr 24 2024, 04:31 PM)
I dunno man

Many folks that purposely dont have kids don’t regret that decision, i’ve yet encountered any. hksgmy is one

On the other hand, i know some that do have kids having regrets
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i think u got this wrong. ppl who regret in thier decision will regret in most decision they do. including having kids or not. not the other way around.

if u are not a regret kinda ppl, then u dun regret even if u have or do not have kids.
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I have a colleague, 50 y.o. of course he never says he regrets having kids, that's a very strong word to use but he has said it before, he has 3 kids, and given the choice with today's cost of living and challenges, if he can turn back time, he will choose to be single.
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QUOTE(brkli @ Apr 24 2024, 05:56 PM)
i think u got this wrong. ppl who regret in thier decision will regret in most decision they do. including having kids or not. not the other way around.

if u are not a regret kinda ppl, then u dun regret even if u have or do not have kids.
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nah mate you seem to think regret only comes from experiencing it, and not also from not experiencing it.

both also can regret, since regret goes both ways lah

i was only pointing out the article was focusing on those who had kids are regretting having them

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QUOTE(abhipraaya @ Apr 24 2024, 06:05 PM)
I have a colleague, 50 y.o. of course he never says he regrets having kids, that's a very strong word to use but he has said it before, he has 3 kids, and given the choice with today's cost of living and challenges, if he can turn back time, he will choose to be single.
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"Better never to have been."
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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Apr 24 2024, 06:07 PM)
nah mate you seem to think regret only comes from experiencing it, and not also from not experiencing it.

both also can regret, since regret goes both ways lah

i was only pointing out the article was focusing on those who had kids are regretting having them
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again. not about experience it or not. is about the person character and personality.

if u are a person who like to "complain", u will find fault and always complain.

similarly if u always regret this and that. u will always find a fault/reason to justify yourself.

i bet u ask the person what regret he/she have in life.. i can hear stories for 10 days or more.. and having kids is just one of it..

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QUOTE(brkli @ Apr 24 2024, 06:18 PM)
again. not about experience it or not. is about the person character and personality.

if u are a person who like to "complain", u will find fault and always complain.

similarly if u always regret this and that. u will always find a fault/reason to justify yourself.

i bet u ask the person what regret he/she have in life.. i can hear stories for 10 days or more.. and having kids is just one of it..
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Not really, stange you think regret is a special feeling

Its normal to feel regret

Anyone can feel regret, not just those that like to complaint

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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Apr 24 2024, 07:30 PM)
Not really, stange you think regret is a special feeling

Its normal to feel regret

Anyone can feel regret, not just those that like to complaint
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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Apr 24 2024, 05:15 PM)
Wished =/= expect.

In reality, those that keep saying parents should be fully unconditional is totally selfish... Want everything handed in a silver platter but abandon your provider after they are weak and frail? Oh wait, we are politically ingrained that way as well.

Unless you advocate parents leaving their babies alone in the house and go for a 10 day vacation when stressed - sure... go ahead advocating parents as selfish.
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It’s the parents’ job to provide as they are the one who decide to have kid/kids. Not that the kid ask to be born to this world.
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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 24 2024, 11:22 AM)
that's assuming he won't be char siew for the 1st 20 years, and the rest of his live
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That's assuming the kid will turn out to be healthy/functional/normal too and not dependent on the parents for life.
Having a kid is basically a commitment for life. Best case scenario, they will be independent after 20 years and can earn their own living. Worst case scenario, they gonna suffer after the parents die.

QUOTE(swanlover @ Apr 24 2024, 04:57 PM)
Actually , got any parents here felt regret having their kids and still hating it??

Hardly came across anyone who hated their kids/new born…
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It's not socially acceptable to say "hey I kinda regret having my son" cause they cannot undo what they have done. So of course no one will openly and willingly admit it. But you can see all the anonymous posts on facebook/reddit sharing their stories. Even worst, who will say that they hate their kid lol. They'll get stoned to death for saying it.

The problem with people regretting is because almost everyone pressures you to follow the lifescript, graduate, get a job, get married, have kids, etc. If you even voice out that you don't really want to follow this lifescript (e.g. choosing to be childfree), we will get called all sorts of things, charsiew, selfish, not appreciative of your parents, kesian your parents won't have grandkids, you'll change your mind, you'll never know children is the best thing in the world, you'll grow old alone and unfulfilled, no one will be at your funeral... basically majority of the post you see here on this thread. So there's pressure, FOMO and also hardly any parents share about how difficult it actually is to go through childbirth and parenting. Other parents are always saying how it's a positive experience and it's so worth it that it makes new couples/mothers expect all the positive but none of the negatives. When expectation and reality doesn't match up, that's where the regret and resentment comes in.

If only parents don't sugar-coat the truth so often, new couples may actually be prepared for what's to come and not just simply piap, make a baby, oh so cute, then regrets later. It's a big decision that cannot be undone, they have no choice but to push thru it now. What good will it bring to tell their friends and family that they regret their past decision? So they just deal with it and keep telling themselves that everything will be fine.
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QUOTE(Shanks747 @ Apr 24 2024, 01:00 PM)
covid pandemic was the test...to see if sheeps will easily obey authorities....and it pass with flying colour's from what I hear from my sources. Anyway I arldy start preparing for things that are about to come.
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Pass with flying colors???
Have you seen how were struggling to have the publics comply with measures.
Locally speaking, our pkp enforcement is shit. Mask mandate pun susah. Vaccine uptake was slow. Belum lagi yang makan ubat cacing kuda.

Same goes overseas.
Antivaxxers on the rise.

In the USA, eradicated diseases re-emerge.
Their politic are pretty polarised right now if not more than ever.
You could never imagine Americans voicing out opinions against Israel support 10 years ago. All those woke agendas too.

Then we have environmental activists in europe.

Whatever you're smoking, its messing your view of reality.
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QUOTE(a13solut3 @ Apr 24 2024, 10:30 AM)
i don't know about you guys.

but my 22 month baby sometime just out of nowhere come and hug me and say love you.

if i am hurt or saw any part of my body bleeding, she will just go and sayang that part.

every night without fail, light off she will say night night and love you to both of us before tido.

i don't even know if she understood what it was or not.

anyway, it was the best gift i can ever have.
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However this sweet period is short live maybe last for less than 10 years …

The remaining of her lifespan and treatment on you will define your answer …

But having say that depends how you educate your children … and how they learn it from how you treat your parents … most charsiew learns to be charsiew from parents …
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up to each individual wanna have kid or not ba.

human lifespan is very short. just enjoy while you can.

eventually u will pass away, and will be forgotten. all your material things that u earn this life cannot pass on to next life also.

if you dont want to have kids then is fine, let the other use the resources, u no rugi pun.

i married for the first 2 years also no child. everyday after work spend time in front pc only. if i ever wanna be single i think i will just enough to survive. no point i hoarding so much resources.

now life is much more convenient and advance than few decades before, but ppl are less happy than before too.
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QUOTE(akecema @ Apr 24 2024, 09:12 AM)
that why many bullshet, make child n throw it to grandparent
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Can't blame them.. maybe it is the grandparent who wanted grandchild so much, now handle lah right

P.S. I single unmarried
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QUOTE(g00glesYYl @ Apr 24 2024, 10:03 AM)
some ppl assume if there is no kids, they will sure become rich and millionaire after awhile.

It might be true that you can spend all your hard earn money for yourself, but it does not necessary become rich when you old.

There are cases whereby the parents get better loiving because of their kid doing well
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Yea those who said it usually will splurge more before retirement

QUOTE(iGamer @ Apr 24 2024, 10:09 AM)
Earth already overpopulated, it’s actually a good trend that some chose not to have children to slowdown the unsustainable population growth.

Maybe one day we just let sentient AI to be human’s legacy to this blue planet.
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The natural way is actually killing the old people (in nature the old will be left to die). You should be able to see which is bad; growing population of young people or growing population of old people.
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QUOTE(brkli @ Apr 24 2024, 07:53 PM)
kesian la your tahap comprehension.
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You’re the one that says regret is limited to those that like to complaint 🤷‍♂️
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regret not having baby at old age or regret have a baby during young age?

which regret runs deeper?
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No baby here, already over 40y
No regrets langsung.


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QUOTE(Koranshita @ Apr 24 2024, 09:23 PM)
No baby here, already over 40y
No regrets langsung.
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QUOTE(Koranshita @ Apr 24 2024, 09:23 PM)
No baby here, already over 40y
No regrets langsung.
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Poor you. Your kid is 1 year old. No time for your games.

Yes, people regret because not willing to let go of games. Games is more important or at least just as important as the child you chose to have.

It's true some people are not cut out to be parents because their priorities in life were never suited to be a parent. It's not that the child was the problem
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QUOTE(Koranshita @ Apr 24 2024, 09:23 PM)
No baby here, already over 40y
No regrets langsung.
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people with no kids butthurt people with kids? wadepak.

is like R&R issue now? Where there poor butthurt the rich?

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QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Apr 24 2024, 05:11 AM)
What I did to cope was I had a schedule with my wife. When he was a baby and used to wake up every 2 hours we used to have shifts at night to take care of him.

Now that he is a toddler, we take turns as well for chores, who to entertain him, etc. This way we have more time for us. I am also blessed to have a job that only requires me to work 10-12 days a month. Thus for the days that I do not have work I will take care of him fully and allow my wife to rest. Then I will catch up on sleep in the morning/evenings.
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Man seriously don't know how you can handle the stress.
I'm also in your shoes. Have to juggle work and then baby stuff after work.
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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Apr 24 2024, 11:47 AM)
>2024 still believe in spirits and ghosts

Nigga gtfo. I challenge all the spirits and ghosts in this world to come haunt me.

Will update tonight if got any.
Sad right? More people gather when die rather than gather during living to enjoy the moment.

The dead gives no fuck about funeral.
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Good. Let all the angry ghost come find you. People said bad mouth will bring trouble. This is what I see in you.
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I slept like a fucking baby last night.

All the spirits and ghost in this world never come find me?

Can you send a few to me?

Maybe some with big tits too, need a mid night blowjob
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Wait until one reach 45-50+ u will understand what’s like without kids…lolx.
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I know its also nice to not have kids, but wouldn't change mine for the world.
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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Apr 25 2024, 10:26 AM)
I slept like a fucking baby last night.

All the spirits and ghost in this world never come find me?

Can you send a few to me?

Maybe some with big tits too, need a mid night blowjob
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Can’t. You must go outside and shout loudly ask the angry ghost come haunt you only can work. Go try shout at night.
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Can’t. You must go outside and shout loudly ask the angry ghost come haunt you only can work. Go try shout at night.
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Okay, where?

Will the ghost suck my soul through my cock?
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Daprind you got regret?
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I should have at least get to taste multiple batangs before marriage.

I should have at least get to taste multiple batangs before marriage.

I should have at least get to taste multiple batangs before marriage.

I should have at least get to taste multiple batangs before marriage.

I should have at least get to taste multiple batangs before marriage.

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Good piece, some highlights:
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the new generation feel like their purpose in life is to be comfortable and live a life of luxury.
previous generations understood that their purpose is to provide for the future generation. so missing out on a luxurious life in order to provide for children was the norm. unfortunately, those kids grew up spoiled and now they feel like they deserve pampering till they die.
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What the strawberry age looks like to me,

I want child.

But i will have 3 maid to take care of them. I will no play no part in the maintenance, janji looked good on picture, there for the child as a accompany person, while the 3 maid do the work.

Dont want work, because want to be with child when they are growing, wanna be a good parent be there for them, while i have 3 maid that will 100% tend to them, and i can continue mindlessly scroll little red book.

Holiday bring maid, if not will looked very teruk due to taking care of small baby, no time to pamper ownself.
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QUOTE(metaled @ Apr 25 2024, 12:07 PM)
What the strawberry age looks like to me,

I want child.

But i will have 3 maid to take care of them. I will no play no part in the maintenance, janji looked good on picture, there for the child as a accompany person, while the 3 maid do the work.

Dont want work, because want to be with child when they are growing, wanna be a good parent be there for them, while i have 3 maid that will 100% tend to them, and i can continue mindlessly scroll little red book.

Holiday bring maid, if not will looked very teruk due to taking care of small baby, no time to pamper ownself.
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Kek

Theres a reason why holiday pic with the kids have only the kids smiling. While me and my wife got thousand year stare hahah

If we are smiling its the caffeine acting
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there is no such thing as a certain in life

there is always up and down no matter you are childless/married/single

there must be a point when you'll feel down and think of 'what if' and 'how good if if bla bla'

there is an old saying in canto 'begger won't exist if we know earlier'

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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Apr 24 2024, 08:22 PM)
Having a kid is basically a commitment for life. Best case scenario, they will be independent after 20 years and can earn their own living. Worst case scenario, they gonna suffer after the parents die.

Having a kid really changes the way you view the world and also forces you to see things that you kinda know... but also kind of ignore.

Your example is a good one. For the kid to be independant at 20 years old, you have to spend a lot of time teaching and guiding them from a young age. Really put in the effort and you can see the results. You often don't have to wait 20 years, you can see it at developmental milestones. Effort you put in when they are 2 years old, you can easily see effect at 4-5 years old. So-on and so-forth.

Easy to see that effort put into kids, but we often don't see putting that effort into ourselves, to fix or improve ourselves.

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If listen from our parents generation, everything you say is true.

However, we are digital generation, more connected than ever. One of the best things about being a parent, is joining parenting groups. A lot of support and understanding from fellow parents, almost non-existant internet toxicity, etc. That's for parent groups means both mom and dad. If looking at just mother groups, the support is even stronger.

So the support structure is there, people are not going to sugar coat what parenthood is like. They will tell you the lows and the highs. What to expect, how to manage your expectations, etc. So normally we will share these communities with parents to be, or people planning to have kids.

Like another forumer here said, people who always have regrets will have regrets about their children as well. Having them is tough, but to regret having them, can only mean you never really bonded with them.
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QUOTE(homicidal85 @ Apr 25 2024, 12:07 PM)
the new generation feel like their purpose in life is to be comfortable and live a life of luxury.
previous generations understood that their purpose is to provide for the future generation. so missing out on a luxurious life in order to provide for children was the norm. unfortunately, those kids grew up spoiled and now they feel like they deserve pampering till they die.
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Newer Gen are 1000x more selfish compared to older…

Hence, ‘wtf do I need to sacrifice for this shit?’ 24/7 in their mind…lolx

Honestly, if find it too expensive to raise a kid at least ada Satu biji la..lolx

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QUOTE(homicidal85 @ Apr 25 2024, 12:07 PM)
the new generation feel like their purpose in life is to be comfortable and live a life of luxury.
previous generations understood that their purpose is to provide for the future generation. so missing out on a luxurious life in order to provide for children was the norm. unfortunately, those kids grew up spoiled and now they feel like they deserve pampering till they die.
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Bro, what generation? Did you even read..

“ In 1975, the popular advice columnist Ann Landers asked her readers if, given the chance to do it all over again, they’d have children. Seventy percent said they wouldn’t;”
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QUOTE(Lembu Goreng @ Apr 25 2024, 12:23 PM)
Bro, what generation? Did you even read..

“ In 1975, the popular advice columnist Ann Landers asked her readers if, given the chance to do it all over again, they’d have children. Seventy percent said they wouldn’t;”
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lol. sapa yang tak baca ni? hahaha.
it is evident that either you read 5% only or you have a problem with reading comprehension.
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lol. sapa yang tak baca ni? hahaha.
it is evident that either you read 5% only or you have a problem with reading comprehension.
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the new generation feel like their purpose in life is to be comfortable and live a life of luxury.
previous generations understood that their purpose is to provide for the future generation. so missing out on a luxurious life in order to provide for children was the norm. unfortunately, those kids grew up spoiled and now they feel like they deserve pampering till they die.
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From Article:

“ In 1975, the popular advice columnist Ann Landers asked her readers if, given the chance to do it all over again, they’d have children. Seventy percent said they wouldn’t;”

So 1975, which generation you tell me?

Not previous generation meh

70% said they wouldn't have children if given the chance to redo, and yet you say they understood their purpose ...


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without my kids..

me and my waifu will have 2 vacations a year outside of SEA
she will be sporting Gucci/LV handbags and doing bi-weekly facial
i will be spending 4 figures monthly on my hobbies and driving a conti coupe

now we are caring for twins 24x7 and last night i curl myself up into a ball on the bed for 15 mins so my twins can play horsey on my back

worth it? their laughter says it all
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without my kids..

me and my waifu will have 2 vacations a year outside of SEA
she will be sporting Gucci/LV handbags and doing bi-weekly facial
i will be spending 4 figures monthly on my hobbies and driving a conti coupe

now we are caring for twins 24x7 and last night i curl myself up into a ball on the bed for 15 mins so my twins can play horsey on my back

worth it? their laughter says it all
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good for you that you feel worth it

some people will cringe at that

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without my kids..

me and my waifu will have 2 vacations a year outside of SEA
she will be sporting Gucci/LV handbags and doing bi-weekly facial
i will be spending 4 figures monthly on my hobbies and driving a conti coupe

now we are caring for twins 24x7 and last night i curl myself up into a ball on the bed for 15 mins so my twins can play horsey on my back

worth it? their laughter says it all
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it's just the beginning....it's a long marathon.
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of course.. we will be parents our whole lives, no matter how old we get..

it is truly till death do we part..

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Wait until one reach 45-50+ u will understand what’s like without kids…lolx.
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err, freedom? Can travel anywhere in the world without worries? Can enjoy all the catalogue of missed console games?
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When my wife was pregnant, I always had doubt, uncertainty & pessimistic about having a child and its impact on my personal "usual routine" lifestyle.
Now my baby is almost a year old, I would say worth the sacrifice for it despite unforeseen major setbacks during in labour.
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From Article:

“ In 1975, the popular advice columnist Ann Landers asked her readers if, given the chance to do it all over again, they’d have children. Seventy percent said they wouldn’t;”

So 1975, which generation you tell me?

Not previous generation meh

70% said they wouldn't have children if given the chance to redo, and yet you say they understood their purpose ...
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ah, ok. so its the former. you read 5% only. try reading the rest, bro.
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Me married and childless when i die everything is gone especially why the fuck want having a child on shit holes Malaysia will be forever be shit hole especially I'm minority, especially org Malaysia suka sangat hantu gaduh hantu politicians belakang kek kek kek, bawa kereta otw balik rumah pun boleh jadi isu bila horn kalau samseng tu cerdik suruh lah pdrm road block ke escort ke kan vip selalu suka buat begitu kan, boikot org diri sendiri punya mangkuk yg berkerja dengan mcd and so on apa anda harap lagi dengan shit hole malaysia? 😂
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QUOTE(whitegoh @ Apr 25 2024, 02:52 AM)
When my wife was pregnant, I always had doubt, uncertainty & pessimistic about having a child and its impact on my personal "usual routine" lifestyle.
Now my baby is almost a year old, I would say worth the sacrifice for it despite unforeseen major setbacks during in labour.
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Same shoes here. How did you cope? You don't miss the "me" time you had? The cinemas, games, going out yum cha with friends?
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Apr 25 2024, 12:15 PM)
Having a kid really changes the way you view the world and also forces you to see things that you kinda know... but also kind of ignore.

Your example is a good one. For the kid to be independant at 20 years old, you have to spend a lot of time teaching and guiding them from a young age. Really put in the effort and you can see the results. You often don't have to wait 20 years, you can see it at developmental milestones. Effort you put in when they are 2 years old, you can easily see effect at 4-5 years old. So-on and so-forth.

Easy to see that effort put into kids, but we often don't see putting that effort into ourselves, to fix or improve ourselves.
If listen from our parents generation, everything you say is true.

However, we are digital generation, more connected than ever. One of the best things about being a parent, is joining parenting groups. A lot of support and understanding from fellow parents, almost non-existant internet toxicity, etc. That's for parent groups means both mom and dad. If looking at just mother groups, the support is even stronger.

So the support structure is there, people are not going to sugar coat what parenthood is like. They will tell you the lows and the highs. What to expect, how to manage your expectations, etc. So normally we will share these communities with parents to be, or people planning to have kids.

Like another forumer here said, people who always have regrets will have regrets about their children as well. Having them is tough, but to regret having them, can only mean you never really bonded with them.
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There's no doubt lots of effort has to be put into raising children, and I respect parents who really do that - raise their kids well.

I do have to disagree with you about how this digital generation is different from our parents generation though. Yes, what you said works if the new couple themselves already decided they want kids and will give their all to raise and love their kids. But not everyone is cut out to be a parent, not everyone WANTS to be a parent, some are pressured into it, some are deceived into it. Just look at the comments here, how many actually will tell a fence sitter that it's a tough job, it may be better to not have kids, or that their own fear of childbirth/raising kids are a valid feeling too. Almost no one (I say almost cause I did have a friend who's a mother tell me "good, don't have kids" but she's a white woman, so people here will just say white people are crazy lol) will say that to any new couple who is deciding if they want kids or not. A lot of comments will now say - yes it is difficult but it's worth it. What is worth it to you, may not be worth it to another. Everyone is still trying to convince others to have kids.

These regrets happen when these fence sitters ended up having kids out of societal pressure or promises that it will all be much more worth it than it actually appears to them.
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There's no doubt lots of effort has to be put into raising children, and I respect parents who really do that - raise their kids well.

I do have to disagree with you about how this digital generation is different from our parents generation though. Yes, what you said works if the new couple themselves already decided they want kids and will give their all to raise and love their kids. But not everyone is cut out to be a parent, not everyone WANTS to be a parent, some are pressured into it, some are deceived into it. Just look at the comments here, how many actually will tell a fence sitter that it's a tough job, it may be better to not have kids, or that their own fear of childbirth/raising kids are a valid feeling too. Almost no one (I say almost cause I did have a friend who's a mother tell me "good, don't have kids" but she's a white woman, so people here will just say white people are crazy lol) will say that to any new couple who is deciding if they want kids or not. A lot of comments will now say - yes it is difficult but it's worth it. What is worth it to you, may not be worth it to another. Everyone is still trying to convince others to have kids.

These regrets happen when these fence sitters ended up having kids out of societal pressure or promises that it will all be much more worth it than it actually appears to them.
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The thing about regret is that its temporal. What might seem like regret now, may no longer be a regret 10 years later, or vice versa.

If they continue to be fence sitting instead of fully accepting their new role, then of course they will regret. This is true in any aspect of life. The problem isn't the children, its the person's own expectation and outlook. As social creatures, serving others/community typically makes us feel better. Self-serving behavior tends to lead to unhappiness in the long run because they will see what they've lost instead of what they can give.

What is "worth it" is of course from person to person, but generally speaking having children is likely the highest form of worth most people will ever experience. Our entire physiological reward system is built around it, would be crazy if it doesn't give you immense fulfilment.

For example, you could say some people don't enjoy sex, but they are in a tiny minority. The vast majority of people would enjoy it, and you enjoy it more when that sexual energy is invested into a long term relationship. Like having sex with a dead fish partner is not as fulfilling as with someone who's 110% into you. Which is why I say its the same thing with raising kids. It only sucks when you don't put in the effort to create a bond with them.

Also, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying everyone should have kids. Its a lifelong commitment, and would be better for everyone if you only did it when you can fully accept the responsiblity of the role. However, using regret as some sort of justification to not have kids is not only quite weak, its a fear based argument that might prevent someone from actually finding something worthwhile that brings them happiness in their life.

Everyone wants to be happy, and they think that's best achieved by avoiding suffering and chasing happiness. End result is normally more suffering on their part, just delayed. In life; Happiness is fleeting, suffering is guaranteed. The only thing that helps sustain you between both, is to have meaning in life. Whether its to serve God, have children, rescue puppies, cure cancer, etc.

Find meaning, happiness follows and suffering becomes tolerable. For most people, this can only be achieved with children. If you decide that children is not your path, just be sure you have something to take its place.
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My wife and I, we are the one decided to have children. We are also lucky enough to conceive both of my daughters when we want them.
For us, we have almost everything we want at that time and we decided what is more worth it is to share everything your life and wealth with someone you love. If you already instill the thought of children is not a burden but a form of way for you to share your joy and life, it would really make your life nurturing them a whole new experiences. I admit sometimes it is challenging but at the same time you would learn a lot of thing.

And early this year, we decided to add one more to share all of our joy and life.
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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Apr 25 2024, 05:58 PM)
The thing about regret is that its temporal. What might seem like regret now, may no longer be a regret 10 years later, or vice versa.

If they continue to be fence sitting instead of fully accepting their new role, then of course they will regret. This is true in any aspect of life. The problem isn't the children, its the person's own expectation and outlook. As social creatures, serving others/community typically makes us feel better. Self-serving behavior tends to lead to unhappiness in the long run because they will see what they've lost instead of what they can give.

What is "worth it" is of course from person to person, but generally speaking having children is likely the highest form of worth most people will ever experience. Our entire physiological reward system is built around it, would be crazy if it doesn't give you immense fulfilment.

For example, you could say some people don't enjoy sex, but they are in a tiny minority. The vast majority of people would enjoy it, and you enjoy it more when that sexual energy is invested into a long term relationship. Like having sex with a dead fish partner is not as fulfilling as with someone who's 110% into you. Which is why I say its the same thing with raising kids. It only sucks when you don't put in the effort to create a bond with them.

Also, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying everyone should have kids. Its a lifelong commitment, and would be better for everyone if you only did it when you can fully accept the responsiblity of the role. However, using regret as some sort of justification to not have kids is not only quite weak, its a fear based argument that might prevent someone from actually finding something worthwhile that brings them happiness in their life.

Everyone wants to be happy, and they think that's best achieved by avoiding suffering and chasing happiness. End result is normally more suffering on their part, just delayed. In life; Happiness is fleeting, suffering is guaranteed. The only thing that helps sustain you between both, is to have meaning in life. Whether its to serve God, have children, rescue puppies, cure cancer, etc.

Find meaning, happiness follows and suffering becomes tolerable. For most people, this can only be achieved with children. If you decide that children is not your path, just be sure you have something to take its place.
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Children is never the problem, they always end up being victims in this scenario. I agree regret is temporal and no where did I say that is what others used to justify not having kids. The article might have implied that but there are a thousand reasons why people do not want kids or have whatever preference they have in life.

I don't think it's right to assume that the parent would be crazy if children doesn't give them immense fulfillment. That's just saying children will guarantee happiness in life. Again, this is an example of how society always tries to convince others to have kids.

I hope future children will be taught that we have a choice and to live life without regrets, whatever the choice we make.

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My wife and I, we are the one decided to have children. We are also lucky enough to conceive both of my daughters when we want them.
For us, we have almost everything we want at that time and we decided what is more worth it is to share everything your life and wealth with someone you love. If you already instill the thought of children is not a burden but a form of way for you to share your joy and life, it would really make your life nurturing them a whole new experiences. I admit sometimes it is challenging but at the same time you would learn a lot of thing.

And early this year, we decided to add one more to share all of our joy and life.
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And do you both take care without any help like nanny or day care?
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QUOTE(de.sengal @ Apr 25 2024, 07:31 PM)
My wife and I, we are the one decided to have children. We are also lucky enough to conceive both of my daughters when we want them.
For us, we have almost everything we want at that time and we decided what is more worth it is to share everything your life and wealth with someone you love. If you already instill the thought of children is not a burden but a form of way for you to share your joy and life, it would really make your life nurturing them a whole new experiences. I admit sometimes it is challenging but at the same time you would learn a lot of thing.

And early this year, we decided to add one more to share all of our joy and life.
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Congrats on the new baby 😍
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Daytime my parent will take care of them. My father is the one insist us to send my child to them as he said last time he miss out the time me and my siblings grew up. I will send my kids to school in the morning and in the afternoon, my parent will fetch them from school. At 5pm, my wife will take back the kids.

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Congrats on the new baby 😍
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QUOTE(de.sengal @ Apr 26 2024, 06:51 AM)
Daytime my parent will take care of them. My father is the one insist us to send my child to them as he said last time he miss out the time me and my siblings grew up. I will send my kids to school in the morning and in the afternoon, my parent will fetch them from school. At 5pm, my wife will take back the kids.
Thanks bro. We plan to prove the theory on how to get a boy or a girl. Let see how it will turn out.
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Only troublesome first few years, once the kids learn to manage themself then it’s superfun to the family..lolx

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People without children are miserable when they get old.
My superior is a childless and unmarried man. He is so free that he even works on weekends and kacau us, all my colleagues who are married all share the same ill feeling towards him. We all agree that these unmarried middle aged people are miserable and immatured, despite their age.
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QUOTE(Bananahead @ Apr 26 2024, 09:28 AM)
People without children are miserable when they get old.
My superior is a childless and unmarried man. He is so free that he even works on weekends and kacau us, all my colleagues who are married all share the same ill feeling towards him. We all agree that these unmarried middle aged people are miserable and immatured, despite their age.
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Probably miserable because unmarried
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QUOTE(Bananahead @ Apr 26 2024, 09:28 AM)
People without children are miserable when they get old.
My superior is a childless and unmarried man. He is so free that he even works on weekends and kacau us, all my colleagues who are married all share the same ill feeling towards him. We all agree that these unmarried middle aged people are miserable and immatured, despite their age.
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Yes, I know one old spinster as well. Always look for things to do. She will go holiday for couple months at a time by herself. Just wandering from country to country, stay in hostel or any cheap lodgings.

If you don't want children, at least get married. Humans are social creatures, no man is an island. Once you get older you will realize is so lonely.

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QUOTE(de.sengal @ Apr 26 2024, 06:51 AM)
Thanks bro. We plan to prove the theory on how to get a boy or a girl. Let see how it will turn out.
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No offense, but what I have seen so far among my friends with daughters, all 8 of these couples, the husbands are afraid or should I put it in a more polite way "respectful" of their wives.
As for other couples where the husbands are not as respectful of their wives (myself included), somehow tend to have sons instead.

I would also love to know how to conceive a daughter, if you have anything to share.
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Apr 26 2024, 09:41 AM)
Yes, I know one old spinster as well. Always look for things to do. She will go holiday for couple months at a time by herself. Just wandering from country to country, stay in hostel or any cheap lodgings.

If you don't want children, at least get married. Humans are social creatures, no man is an island. Once you get older you will realize is so lonely.
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At least her life appears more interesting that way, but is she truly happy? Only she herself can tell. I personally can't imagine travelling by myself, it's just so boring. But whatever floats one's boat I guess.
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Having children is not for happiness. It's for meaningfulness.
Having 2 kids myself, there is nothing more meaningful than getting unconditional love from your kids.
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QUOTE(liwern @ Apr 25 2024, 03:48 PM)
Same shoes here. How did you cope? You don't miss the "me" time you had? The cinemas, games, going out yum cha with friends?
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Well, have to sacrifice "me time". For a long time didn't go cinemas, then probably once a quarter managed to go out yum cha with friends as most of my friends also with children, now always blow water through chat group only. Still able to exercise, but have to adjust and reduce the time slot accordingly.
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After 2nd child, only know no money to buy rm6k iphone pro...

then also no govt subsidy or help to feed your child milk powder lol...
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QUOTE(Bananahead @ Apr 26 2024, 09:46 AM)
No offense, but what I have seen so far among my friends with daughters, all 8 of these couples, the husbands are afraid or should I put it in a more polite way "respectful" of their wives.
As for other couples where the husbands are not as respectful of their wives (myself included), somehow tend to have sons instead.

I would also love to know how to conceive a daughter, if you have anything to share.
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None taken bro. The scenario is not appllied to me.
The theory is behind on how long the male and female sperm live and how fast it swim. The male sperm will swim faster but female sperm will have longer life. You can search more towards this. In my current two childs we did try to conceive 3 days before ovalution to increase the possibilities. In the coming child, we will try to conceive from the ovulation day and 3 days after.

I am more on science and data guy so not really believe those theory that said wife is stronger than husband and etc.

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QUOTE(de.sengal @ Apr 25 2024, 06:51 PM)
Daytime my parent will take care of them. My father is the one insist us to send my child to them as he said last time he miss out the time me and my siblings grew up. I will send my kids to school in the morning and in the afternoon, my parent will fetch them from school. At 5pm, my wife will take back the kids.
Thanks bro. We plan to prove the theory on how to get a boy or a girl. Let see how it will turn out.
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See that's why you can cope. You only take care of them less than half a day every day.
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QUOTE(Bananahead @ Apr 26 2024, 09:28 AM)
People without children are miserable when they get old.
My superior is a childless and unmarried man. He is so free that he even works on weekends and kacau us, all my colleagues who are married all share the same ill feeling towards him. We all agree that these unmarried middle aged people are miserable and immatured, despite their age.
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That's too sweeping a statement to have any credibility behind it bro.

Different people will see and do things differently, and who are we to dictate otherwise?
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QUOTE(liwern @ Apr 27 2024, 06:16 AM)
See that's why you can cope. You only take care of them less than half a day every day.
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Huh?
That is normal I think for most of parents what do you expect? The kids will go to kindergarten and school from 7.30am until 3.30pm. Maybe you can share what is your routine which is different from others? Unless your kids home schooling and your wife is a housewife. Even housewife, the kids will still be in school for half the day.

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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Apr 26 2024, 09:41 AM)
Yes, I know one old spinster as well. Always look for things to do. She will go holiday for couple months at a time by herself. Just wandering from country to country, stay in hostel or any cheap lodgings.

If you don't want children, at least get married. Humans are social creatures, no man is an island. Once you get older you will realize is so lonely.
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This is the problem with the mentality of Asian people.

Judgemental towards individual that decided to become single and they don't want any marriage or children.

Do you know that person may experienced life trauma during her life? Abuse from family members? Sexual Assault? Confused sexual orientation and many more?

Marriage is not a solution.

Who cares on what she wants to do with her free time. At least she has her own hobbies and money to spend.

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Those unmarried or no kids will have a very very sad and miserable life when aging..don’t even need to be really old to feel this too..

Additionally, u gonna feel sorry for your parents too (when young won’t give a fxck..)

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QUOTE(xpole @ Apr 27 2024, 09:55 AM)
This is the problem with the mentality of Asian people.

Judgemental towards individual that decided to become single and they don't want any marriage or children.

Do you know that person may experienced life trauma during her life? Abuse from family members? Sexual Assault? Confused sexual orientation and many more?

Marriage is not a solution.

Who cares on what she wants to do with her free time. At least she has her own hobbies and money to spend.
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To clarify, she was the one who complained to me nobody wants to go with her. She is lonely.

Forever alone can only last so long. You will be miserable after a while, of course you can hide it but we know.

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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Apr 27 2024, 10:06 AM)
To clarify, she was the one who complained to me nobody wants to go with her. She is lonely.

Forever alone can only last so long. You will be miserable after a while, of course you can hide it but we know.
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Life without love or home is pretty sad..
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QUOTE(swanlover @ Apr 27 2024, 10:18 AM)
Life without love or home is pretty sad..
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Especially if you fall sick. You will realize how fragile you really are when old, sick and alone. When young and strong you feel invincible, don't need anybody.

So those determined to be forever alone, make sure you're filthy rich when old. That can alleviate some of those issues. Otherwise...

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QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Apr 24 2024, 03:47 PM)
We got better things in life to do rather than membiak.

Imagine how pathetic your life must be if the biggest achievement is to pancut dalam and push out a baby. That's sad yo
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Who the hell biggest achievement is pancut dalam LOL... Just wondering how u guys is here if ur parent have the same mentality... this also sad... owh well this what we call free will... everything in life has a risk. Depends on your choice... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(zonan4 @ Apr 27 2024, 10:59 AM)
Who the hell biggest achievement is pancut dalam LOL... Just wondering how u guys is here if ur parent have the same mentality... this also sad... owh well this what we call free will... everything in life has a risk. Depends on your choice...  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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People who always bragging about their kids.

I mean nigga come on, don't you have any other achievements?


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My child help me growing up.

It is tiring but worth it.
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Young ain’t give a shit and thinking it’s a cool thing not to have kids , burden like shit…

Wait til they sick or injured …too late already..lolx.
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Children is never the problem, they always end up being victims in this scenario. I agree regret is temporal and no where did I say that is what others used to justify not having kids. The article might have implied that but there are a thousand reasons why people do not want kids or have whatever preference they have in life.

Yes there are many reasons, and your choices are your own, so you shouldn't need to justify it with things like "most people with kids regret it".

My only concern for people who choose not to have kids, is that they better have a really good reason for it. They are basically denying one of your primary biological imperatives. Unless the reason/purpose is stronger than the imperative, they're going to end up in misery.

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I don't think it's right to assume that the parent would be crazy if children doesn't give them immense fulfillment. That's just saying children will guarantee happiness in life. Again, this is an example of how society always tries to convince others to have kids.

I'm not saying kids will guarantee happiness. I'm targetting this at people who already have kids and are not happy with them.

Like you said, its not the kid's fault. The problem is with the parent. Here you have a being that starts of entirely devoted and loving to you. So if that bond is broken, its 100% the parent's fault.

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Sorry, but there's no such thing as no regrets in life.

Even you can't be certain you won't regret your decisions today, a few decades from now.

For myself, I won't regret having kids, but I may regret not doing enough for them. While you don't want to live a life full of regrets, you can't run away from some of it.

QUOTE(Kaya Butter Toast @ Apr 27 2024, 11:03 AM)
I mean nigga come on, don't you have any other achievements?
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What's yours?
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QUOTE(swanlover @ Apr 27 2024, 02:03 PM)
Young ain’t give a shit and thinking it’s a cool thing not to have kids , burden like shit…

Wait til they sick or injured …too late already..lolx.
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Stop being a selfish bastard for once?

You membiak so others can take care of you when you sick of injured? Disgusting.

No wonder people don't respect parents anymore lmao


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QUOTE(de.sengal @ Apr 26 2024, 09:42 PM)
Huh?
That is normal I think for most of parents what do you expect? The kids will go to kindergarten and school from 7.30am until 3.30pm. Maybe you can share what is your routine which is different from others? Unless your kids home schooling and your wife is a housewife. Even housewife, the kids will still be in school for half the day.
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I'm not comparing the kids when they go to school. Those are the times when life is easier compared to newborn.
I'm comparing newborn.
When your kids were babies what was your schedule like?
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QUOTE(liwern @ Apr 28 2024, 06:11 AM)
I'm not comparing the kids when they go to school. Those are the times when life is easier compared to newborn.
I'm comparing newborn.
When your kids were babies what was your schedule like?
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0-3years old - would send my baby(s) to my mom in the morning before work, finish work have dinner at mom's house and bring baby home, wife takes care of baby while i clean the house, do chores until bedtime, wake up 2-3 times every night to make milk for the baby. At the time my daughter was born, we had to bring in a maid just to help around, she follows wherever the babies went
4-6 - send kids to kindy, mom fetches them in the afternoon, finish work have dinner at mom's house and bring the kids home, playtime watch TV while we take turns doing chores until bedtime, wake up once a night to make milk for the younger one sometimes both
7-12 - send kids to school, they go to daycare tuition after school and i fetch them from there after work, go back to mom's for dinner and go home to clean up, check homework etc, playtime before bed. No longer need to wake up to make milk but due to 6 years of doing that, i've gotten used to sleeping very late, i'd wait for the wife to get home and i go out to workout until 1am
13-now - I have much free time after work now, arranged transporter to take my kids to and fro school, i'd go buy some food for dinner, go home and hit the gym for some training before dinner, after that, do some chores or go out to socialize for business networks or job opportunities for 2 hours and go home before 11pm to sleep
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each to their own meaning of 'happiness', having kids does not guarantee happiness

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QUOTE(MegaCanonF @ Apr 24 2024, 09:15 AM)
regret not having baby at old age or regret have a baby during young age?

which regret runs deeper?
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both runs deep coz both happens when people are older. it doesn't matter, what matter is if they reach their dreams.
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QUOTE(ameliorate @ Apr 24 2024, 09:33 AM)
Instead, after electing to be a stay-at-home mother, Robin found herself in what she calls “the domestic gulag,” a life that consisted of being “a chauffeur and an arranger and an appointment setter and a social secretary and a party planner and a chef and a meal planner and a budgeter” and “an emergency nurse and a night nurse and a psychologist and a confidant.”

What is wrong with that? That's call being a mother and taking care of another human being.

She prefers to party all the time instead?
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If a parent say to some1 without kids they regret wish no kids, 99% dont want to make the some1 without kids hurt only.

Takkan go say you will never know the feeling seeing the jewel and purpose of your life growing and hugging you each day feels damn syiok.
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I regret. Should have stayed single and childless. Can YOLO and worry only about my parents. Now have to worry about parents, wife and kids and cats also. Life was a lot easier when I only need to worry about myself.
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QUOTE(gobiomani @ Oct 25 2024, 07:05 PM)
I regret. Should have stayed single and childless. Can YOLO and worry only about my parents. Now have to worry about parents, wife and kids and cats also. Life was a lot easier when I only need to worry about myself.
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Its not too late to divorce and let your child go, YOLO man..YOLO think about it, life will be so much fun without those bastards in your life
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QUOTE(Rorschach85 @ Oct 25 2024, 06:11 PM)
Its not too late to divorce and let your child go, YOLO man..YOLO think about it, life will be so much fun without those bastards in your life
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Thanks for the encouragement bro. Will give it some serious thought tonight. Will go out tomorrow morning to buy some milk and never come back home.
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Thanks for the encouragement bro. Will give it some serious thought tonight. Will go out tomorrow morning to buy some milk and never come back home.
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