I was insulted once again in my life by doing passport🥺

📢Today I want to share with you how miserable it is for people who cannot speak Malay in Malaysia😭 This is the second time I was insulted in UTC Johor! Last time it was me who was insulted, this time it was my daughter, both in the same place!

Today I took my daughter to UTC Johor (Polow branch) to renew her passport. We are both Malaysian citizens, but we have been studying in Singapore since childhood (my daughter and I are the same), so we are not very fluent in Malay, but we are educated and polite. And respect still understands! First of all, I got there around 8 o'clock. I had to sit outside and wait before I went in to get the number. I waited for about an hour before I could go in and get the number. We arrived around 9 o'clock. I happily went in and queued up to get the number, and then we arrived. , there was a man serving us at the service desk. Because I really don’t speak Malay very well, I might ask in English when I opened my mouth. The male service staff asked me how old my daughter was? My daughter answered him: 14 years old (answered in English). He looked at my daughter and said: "How do you say 14 years old in Malay? He told my daughter to speak Malay! This is Malaysia, are you a Malaysian? You are Malaysian People must speak Malay!" His tone was very fierce, and then he continued to talk about me and my daughter: "Do you know this is Malaysia? You don't know Malay? It is very important to speak Malay when going abroad to Taiwan (I was suddenly very scared😰), You still can’t speak it? Are you a PR? PR or a Malaysian citizen. You can’t speak Malay with a Malaysian IC. If you can’t speak Malay, you can consider becoming a Singaporean citizen! Not in Malaysia! English is not spoken here!” (I tried to explain: Sorry abang, we studied in Singapore since we were young, so we really don’t understand... Before he finished speaking, he started to curse again: And then? Do you still want to do it? If you don’t want to do it, you can leave immediately. !😥I was really helpless at the moment, but I held it in😥tears were about to flow out😣) We, mother and daughter, stood there and scolded him stupidly... We didn’t dare to contradict him because we were afraid that getting up so early would be a waste of time. time, and then I said to him in a low voice: Sorry, we really have to renew our passports. Can you give me your number? He had a very unhappy face and gave me his number with a very unhappy attitude. . We found a seat awkwardly and sat down😟

I'm wondering why you bully people like this? Do we deserve to be insulted like this because we don’t know Malay? Will he be caught by the police? This is the second time I have been to this UTC and I was scolded for not speaking Malay!

After waiting for about 30 minutes, we finally arrived, and what followed was another wonderful moment😄

There was a woman at the counter, and she thought she was more polite. As a result, my daughter was taught Malay. She also told her how old she was, her name, her mother’s name, and her father’s name in Malay. Since my daughter was very young, I She and her father were divorced, so I told the counter girl: Sorry, I am divorced, so my daughter has been with me since she was a child. I don’t know her father’s name🤷🏻‍♀️…I’m sorry! Then came the problem😅The woman asked me: Do you have the divorce certificate? Is the child with you? So is there proof of child custody? (Suddenly I was even more annoyed😨) I asked her: "Do I need these when I come to renew my passport? But why didn't I need these when I helped my daughter make a passport for the first time last time? Then when I asked what materials I needed to prepare, why didn't I say yes? Divorce certificate and custody certificate? In the end, she only answered me: Now the SOP has changed, these documents are needed!😣 I didn’t argue with her, after all, I don’t know Malay😭 I said I was sorry that I didn’t bring it, and she said directly: I didn’t bring it. ?Can’t do it! (I feel really fucking helpless in my heart) She didn’t let us do it, so we left helplessly)

I really don’t understand why these people are so discriminatory towards us who don’t speak Malay! I didn’t mean it, I didn’t make things difficult, and I asked politely, but as a result, I was bullied for my kindness!

‼ ️Remind everyone who does not speak Malay to go to such a place to find someone who can speak Malay to accompany you! Don't let these people ruin the mood of a beautiful day like ours 7 a.m. 8 a.m.‼ ️Really disappointed and sad😫😫😫

Ending: In the end, I found a friend for help (someone who knew the department) and finally succeeded in getting the passport✌🏻I also bought a bag of rice for him to eat and thanked him for his help🥹 So what is the so-called need for a divorce certificate and custody certificate? They are just making things difficult for us and not letting us do it! There are so many people in the world who fart! Wait until God takes you!

TLDR sorry no short conclusion

Just read title and jusdge k

u live in msia, must learn BM, its not about race or religion, just like if u live in vietnam, also need to learn vietnamese, takkan u want vistnam ppl to understand mandarin?!

if u so unhappy, can go back china....

Auntie so stingy only give small bag of rice as upah

Singapore 3.5 x maaa

limpek mau tukar lisen, u tukar je, jangan kepochi limpek punya bahasa

I've survived UTC Penang once before for passport renewal without knowing Malay... somehow.

I hope aunty improves, Malaysians should know malay full stop

Look at TS. Arab who improved his malay from pigdin to above rempit

It's doable. Take TS as an inspiration

Too bad it's not on video or else it can go viral, the easiest way to get relief these days.

Unfortunately the officer is right to be dubious when someone tries to claim he/she is a Malaysian and yet can't really prove it.

However the SOP questions are exactly that: SOP. Just imagine someone try bringing a random child, telling people the kid is theirs but have no documentation, and btw they are planning to go overseas...

Something i don't understand...why do I see so many Bangladeshis and Nepalise workers being conversant in Malay when a so-called Malaysian isn't? Is BM that difficult to learn or these Malaysians have lower intelligence than those foreign workers?

Even I can speak Malay even though I speak English 99.9% at home.

This is really not an excuse

This TS dupe siapa? Batu api

Even sinkies also can speak malay

- Hsien Loong

LKY and LHL speaks perfect Malay. What's your excuse?

Someone said kratos123

Which makes sense storyline wise. Last time he looking for Arab women then evolved to married Arab now he is an Arab

Democratic Action Penang (DAP) is diffen cuntry

Imagine french or german people go to their embassy and just use english all the time.

What would be the officer response.

i think she better just stay in Singapore. Though the counter is indeed very rude.

Claim as educated, but don't know how to speak Malay?

The auntie 1st time/ 1st year in MY? Or already long stay in Malaysia. Massive wall of text din read

Threads by TS who doesn't know Malay. Lipoted for racial spamming.

You pergi thailand depa pandai cakap bi tak?

study in singapore.....but the english written here also...not very good

To be honest I don't really mind if you speak lauya bahasa (it can be cute sometimes, to see the struggle ) but if you don't understand it all, my god. Serious ah?

Mod just banhammer TS for spewing lies

This post has been edited by GTA5: Nov 30 2023, 01:58 PM

oh my, can't speak malay
oh my engrish, engrish also very powderful liao

study in sg since young but engrish level so-so only

Just like I went to France. I no speak francais. then straight kena different attitude

i mentioned before, not all bangladesh and Nepalese can speak malay...only few of them. My factory have over 200 foreign workers, not all can converse in Malay, only those supervisors ranked. Some even worked more than 10 years still doesnt understand Malay, some after 3 years, can understand. Also, i agreed that every Malaysian must know how to speak basic Malay...but like some of them already migrate out to oversea to study since small, but still holding Malaysian IC...how are you gonna blame them?

No excuse at all for citizen that is born, raised and lived in Malaysia not able to talk in even daily-conversational or even pasar-level BM. No need top-notch, sasterawan level BM.

next time bring someone there who can speak malay.. learn the lesson.
if sikit pun tak boleh.. your fault and your daughter fault.
if u kena scold 1 time, u should hv know how they treat you and just bring someone along who can speak,
u are renewing malaysia passport.

I kinda disagree, my privileges as a Malaysian are not determined by whether I know BM or not, if I am a citizen, then I should be able to get a passport, an IC, etc.

Do IRB tax me based on my knowledge of BM (no because the tax laws are not made like that, same argument - is passport/IC eligibility based on mastery of BM or based on citizenship/PR status?)? If govt can tax me, then govt should provide services due to me as a taxpayer and citizen.

We, mother and daughter, stood there and scolded him stupidly... We didn’t dare to contradict him because we were afraid that getting up so early would be a waste of time.

Tis like reading rempit malay... rempit english?

"Then when I asked what materials I needed to prepare, why didn't I say yes? Divorce certificate and custody certificate?”

Child is under 18 years old.... need parental consent in passport application. Birth certificate, father/mother signature etc.

Malaya maybe, but not EM.

In EM we used full England since the beningin

and u call yourself malaysian...

I know someone in his late 40s who cannot converse in Malay, been staying here all his life. As long as BM is required, he'll need a translator.

In Penang, I have seen others struggling to even buy nasi campur if the Malay sellers can't understand English.

Wow, can learn bribery and gift giving culture, but can’t learn Malay.

Singaporean complain essay. TLDR.

come on... at least know simple malay...broken malay also ok...
campur malay oso ok... memang patut ko kena hentam... padan muka

that explains a lot

Banggala, Vietnamese, Myanmar came to work in Malaysia can speak Malay in just few month even with dialect a bit but can communicate quite well. It is not that some Chinese cannot speak at all, they just don't even want or try. Who cares about not fluent or upside down because those who speak English also many not speaking proper English also.

Many old Chinese taxi drivers who hardly have to speak Malay in Singapore can speak Malay so well even better than many Chinese in Malaysia. Some even sound like Malay

TS.. renounce your malaysian citizen ship je

I read this in Cantonese accent

dont call yourself malaysian citizen if you dont know malay.




This post has been edited by zerorating: Nov 30 2023, 02:09 PM

orang utara ramah mesra

live in malaysia learn to speak malay la macha

Split personality, TS shud go back to tg rambutan

My grandmother 90+ yo hardly can speak malay , expell her?

Long story short... Ending: In the end, I found a friend for help (someone who knew the department) and finally succeeded in getting the passport✌🏻

No english, no malay... here is hong kong meh!!!

great that he got humiliated

lots of foreign workers here learn and can speak well.

it is necessary to speak some BM in malaysia , plus u are malaysian !

you need to make a effort to to learn .

Cannot tell as it's poorly translated but I think Malaysian but brought up in Singapore

This is on you bro.. this is not about racism or what.

If you are Malaysian, you need to be able to speak Malay language, dont need to be fluent (everyone or that officer will understand)

but if you can't communicate in Malay, it is very bad example for yor children. This is only applicable if you are tourist only

where is the insult?...

take a stride lah...

This post has been edited by Heroicage: Nov 30 2023, 02:12 PM

It's impressive u can avoid using Malay when u are staying in Malaysia permanently.

More effort is required to be not know BM than to just learn some basic BM. You do not have the right mindset in life. Ever heard about life is a never ending learning journey. Be honest with yourself, how did u do it (avoiding BM totally), why?

is this your true story or you copy paste from somewhere else?

TS copy story from where? 🤣

http://www.commonlii.org/my/legis/const/1957/3.html

no need, just dont expect special treatment when dealing with JPN/immigresen, this is organization under KDN (Kementerian Dalam Negara). Being nice is not their main responsibility.
disappointed in immigresen my ass, why you dont feel disappointment of not learning BM youself in first place?

This post has been edited by zerorating: Nov 30 2023, 10:30 PM

agreed. same like my customer..sell waste bins to one bumi company for RM 400+, then sell to DBKL for 1k per unit..the cost of the bin only 200+(my company sell to my customer). Imagine that lol...

This post has been edited by Jv8888: Nov 30 2023, 02:15 PM

how about those rich vvip ppl that sent their child to oversea to study but still holding malaysian IC?

copy from mandarin writing post, but i lost the page and link when refresh, later i will look for it and paste here

I'm Chinese and I can speak BM well, Seriously learn BM... it'll do you more good, they'll be friendlier and help you. If You want others to respect you, why not give them respect as well?
Most of the time when a stranger talk to me in those Ah Pek Melayu style (I don't know why they do that, do they think it'll me understand them better? or just racist mocking?), I'll just talk back to them in proper BM. They'll be either shocked or impressed but most of them just behave better around me after that.
Bila petah dalam berbahasa Melayu, nak maki balik pun senang.

This post has been edited by hteekay: Nov 30 2023, 02:21 PM

so u banana? can't speak tamil?

bodo mealaysian cannot speak malay , somemore proud study england in sg

padan mukak

Can. Read and write but never went to SJKT

Malaysia citizen but dunno BM, what an embarrassment. Lagi mau post and minta simpati. Malu betul, even bangla stay here less than 1 year can at least understand and speak broken BM.

even my parents that never study before can speak malay by talking to neighbours only , only that they cannot write , but communicating in malay everywhere was never an issue , they even can go gomen agencies renew IC , passport themself without me doing translating

Malaysian should be able to converse simple Bahasa Malaysia.
This is a must. Although, we might not like it, but, eventually, it is because of the country we are staying and this is also the respect we are showing to the country we are staying.

In other places u cannot speak national language u cannot do shit. Cannot make IC cannot renew pssport cannot open bank account.

hmmmm iChang dgn Jimmy can speak Malay better than you. and They are Japanese.

While I really feel sorry for people who have to deal with rude civil servants, I also feel that it is totally unacceptable that a person who wants a Malaysian passport can't even speak Malay. You are not giving a speech to the immigration staff, just asking simple questions and even this also cannot means how to know whether you are really a citizen or someone with fake documents?
Claimed to have studied in SG but English also berterabur can't understand what you are trying to convey.
Very difficult to have sympathy for such a person.

As long as you mix with Malay speaking people, you can surely talk because it is easy language. Same like those who work in company with majority Malay workers.

Malay or Chinese live in Indian communities normally able to speak Tamil

Don't confound requirements for getting naturalised/citizenship with services due to a citizen. I am already a citizen. I know and speak BM adequately, many buyers of items I sold are surprised I am not Malay when we meet up. Over the phone only know I am non when I don't reply the aunty no husband greeting.

Can someone find in Immigration website saying passport applicants need to demonstrate adequate BM mastery if they are already citizen?

This is what I hate, little napoleons implementing their own rules in providing services to those who are entitled to it, because if someone can come up with their own requirements - don't blame when those who come up with their own reasoning not to pay tax la, not to do this la, don't follow traffic rules la, etc etc.

Buat malu jer warganegara tak boleh bertutur dlm BM
Bangla 1 bulan jer fasih BM

Means government can strip your citizenship based on this clause alone. Immi and JPN has powers to annual your citizenship if you fail to grasp this even basic language. Just because they didnt dont, doesn't mean they can't. Sure, you can always hire a lawyer to fight this in court



Already one guy voicing it out


https://worldofbuzz.com/university-professo...le-citizenship/

Good luck


Last time this was removed but doesn't mean it won't be reintroduce again looking at our politics at the moment

This post has been edited by RT8081: Nov 30 2023, 02:32 PM

Any kasi can. TS already kena insulted, tehn open tered kena insulted some more

Go tell DAP or PH . Keke

Really u guys are just monolingual?
Eventhough Bm is useless at work and internationally
But don’t you guys interact with other ppl in your daily life?
Buying nasi lemak at road side store, 99 speedmart ,7-11, telling smelly ppl to fuck off in public transport, making fun of colleague etc
How u guys even survive in daily routine?

Basic BM is a must if you hold Malaysian passport.

National language proficiency is a requirement when applying for citizenship in many, many countries and it carries on forward (that you have that proficiency).

Also, if a person is already so remote from the culture (coming back only to renew passport then leave), then maybe another passport closer is a better option.

Fine if they couldn't communicate in Malay but the thing is even of we spoke with some them in English, kononnya just so they feel "have have" also gagap. Even Richard is pronounced as "Lichard", fried rice being pronounced as " fly lice".

what insulted? reported ada la.

but hor

i wonder why no body talk about her daugher

dont know who is the father

maybe no divorce paper, but only born by malaysian mother

and first time doing passport she is no problem

second time only the mother doesnt bother to bring all the document needed

why horrr

even i have this issue since my parents and sisters dont know bm. I only know simple bm:(.

Said this before, malay is relatively an easy language to learn. Roman alphabets, consistent pronunciation rules, non-gendered nouns, no changes to verb for past-present-future tenses, borrowed english terms.

It's baby mode of Rosetta Stone. Definitely no excuse if you're born / lived here for a long time.

I judge thee bait.

Singaporean english is carcinogenic as well

Sorry can’t accept..you should be able to engage in simple conversation in BM..come on la even apek in pasar can speak Malay..

if only the little Napoleons at immigration can learn the true standard of speaking malay from our Yang Dipertuan Muda Terengganu.

what kind of malaysian citizen can't even speak basic BM?

no wonder the immigration officer acted like that.

better balik tongsan or live in SG, if still refuse to learn BM.

Even singaporean can speak BM as they learn it in school.

How thick can someone be not to understand BM when you only lives in SGMY, not US

i thought carcinogenic only related with foods grill on charcoal

padan muka

Imagine go Singapore but don't know any of the language.




Sumbat penjara deport suda.





If you can't speak BM, lucut kewarganegaraan.

This kes deservingly dilayan buruk or else to jail and deport suda. Move away if kennot speaking basic BM.

I think she understands Malay but just cannot speak it due to never mingle with other races. Like a lot of people can read and write English but cannot speak it.

Immi staff need to be more considerate la. Ini budak baru belajar, patient a bit. No need make until auntie cry.

Again, you confound what might happen with what is already the law now, you cannot strip a person of Malaysian citizenship for not knowing the national language. Future we don't know.

A guy voicing out his opinion is not law.

Lucky la born citizen. If you want to apply for Malaysia citizenship, BM knowledge is a requirement.

https://www.lawofficemalaysia.com/citizensh...p%20application.

TS is a known racist prick but I agree that citizens should be able to speak at least basic Malay. Feels like cina kampung people. If even the mom studied in SG but still a malaysian citiizen but dont want to pick up basic malay, then dont blame others for being rude to you.

Salah sendiri. Sebagai warga malaysia mesti tahu BM

Saya umur empat belas tahun

This is kinda basic level BM.

Still the officer is rude to you and your daughter

defaq, is that broken Manglish?

no farking pity for the aunty... I mean, it's ok for you to reside in a country without knowing / speaking their language, but not right / reasonable if you are that country's citizen holding their passport