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post Sep 15 2022, 11:12 PM, updated 4y ago

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post Sep 15 2022, 11:13 PM

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post Sep 16 2022, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Aug 21 2022, 03:54 PM)
I also accidentally discovered an encoder hack in the Keyboard Atelier discord.
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Beside the encoder is the detent ring. It has the gears that gives the encoder its errrrr.. detents. You just peel back the 4 tabs holding down the green plastic to the encoder body, peel off the green plastic (2 layers). Then you can remove the detent ring. There was also a green "cap" that keeps the detent ring in place and covers the bottom of the shaft. I put that back in before reassembling.

The experience is like going from a medium heavy tactile to a super light linear. It might be annoying to use with a cheap and light aluminium knob. But it should be a reversible mod so I'll give it a try first.
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F me. Soldered the encoder in and it didn't work at all, even the press button.

Pandai2 only. I actually removed the encoder part and not the detent ring.

Here, found a video so hopefully anyone reading this, watch it first before doing and don't be bodoh like me ya.

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post Sep 16 2022, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Sep 16 2022, 04:14 PM)
F me. Soldered the encoder in and it didn't work at all, even the press button.

Pandai2 only. I actually removed the encoder part and not the detent ring.

Here, found a video so hopefully anyone reading this, watch it first before doing and don't be bodoh like me ya.
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there is no 'bodoh' in experimentations. we all do dumb things at times, and we need to do this to learn more haha
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post Sep 17 2022, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 16 2022, 07:37 PM)
there is no 'bodoh' in experimentations. we all do dumb things at times, and we need to do this to learn more haha
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Thanks for the kind words. I successfully removed the ring and reassembled the encoder with the part I removed before. Soldered and confirmed working.

Another thing I got wrong is this mod is NOT reversible. Getting the ring out practically destroys it. You have a better chance of fixing a bent switch leaf than fixing the ring after removal.
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post Sep 17 2022, 09:35 AM

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BTW any of you are going to the keebs gathering on 1st Oct at GMBB?
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BTW any of you are going to the keebs gathering on 1st Oct at GMBB?
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found out too late.. i think free passes already gone
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post Sep 17 2022, 04:29 PM

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found out too late.. i think free passes already gone
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I wanted to get the pay tic but I missed that .. and had to settled with the free one .. but then the organizer which I think no experience with event maybe overbooked need the free pass users to book again sweat.gif

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ Sep 17 2022, 04:29 PM)
I wanted to get the pay tic but I missed that .. and had to settled with the free one .. but then the organizer which I think no experience with event maybe overbooked need the free pass users to book again sweat.gif
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from my 'light reading' is they want to control the crowd, hence segregrate to blocks of visitors at a time

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post Sep 17 2022, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Sep 17 2022, 09:01 AM)
Thanks for the kind words. I successfully removed the ring and reassembled the encoder with the part I removed before. Soldered and confirmed working.

Another thing I got wrong is this mod is NOT reversible. Getting the ring out practically destroys it. You have a better chance of fixing a bent switch leaf than fixing the ring after removal.
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thanks for the encoder mod and related tips.

most people are using it as is. it's like that a friend from cn told me before, most people in cn actually don't bother about knobs, and have limited ideas on how to use them.

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BTW any of you are going to the keebs gathering on 1st Oct at GMBB?
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no. you should if you're looking forward to experience the vast options of mkbs. (as usual, always bring along sanitizer)


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post Sep 17 2022, 07:54 PM

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from my 'light reading' is they want to control the crowd, hence segregrate to blocks of visitors at a time
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hence i say they dont have experience ... but than again see what gonna be there
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post Sep 18 2022, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 17 2022, 06:20 PM)
most people are using it as is.
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This is the part I cannot brain.

We agonize about what kind of switch to use, what spring weight, what lube, what lube method, film or no, what film etc etc.

Rotary encoder? Everyone use this. Ok la I use also. doh.gif
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post Sep 18 2022, 12:53 PM

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Hi sifus, anyone know what could caused this issue? It started last week, then back to normal for a while, and now back to this again....
Didn't notice any big issue on the soldering joint... Keyboard is ikbc cd108...

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post Sep 18 2022, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Sep 18 2022, 09:41 AM)
This is the part I cannot brain.

We agonize about what kind of switch to use, what spring weight, what lube, what lube method, film or no, what film etc etc.

Rotary encoder? Everyone use this. Ok la I use also. doh.gif
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haha this hobby is mainly driven by hype. it's just one of the typical consumer behaviors.

QUOTE(cwk0713 @ Sep 18 2022, 12:53 PM)
Hi sifus, anyone know what could caused this issue? It started last week, then back to normal for a while, and now back to this again....
Didn't notice any big issue on the soldering joint... Keyboard is ikbc cd108...

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one of the possible causes based on the symptom is like having bad diodes. if that's the case, replacement of the bad diode will resolve the problem.

however, there are also other causes. it needs physical inspections with tools like multimeter.

if the board still have warranty, make use of it.
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post Sep 18 2022, 10:48 PM

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No soldering this weekend sad.gif Struggled to fix 2 stabs stubbornly ticking when tapping the keycap at a certain angle. Fixed 1 by changing the holee mode from the Teflon strip that came with the stabs to cloth tape, and by changing the wire. Although the wire looked absolutely fine and straight. Sigh...

And screwed up my PE foam layer fixing the stabs. Need to do another piece for each side.

Looking pretty. Assembled but only rotary encoder has been soldered in.
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post Sep 18 2022, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Sep 18 2022, 10:48 PM)
No soldering this weekend sad.gif Struggled to fix 2 stabs stubbornly ticking when tapping the keycap at a certain angle. Fixed 1 by changing the holee mode from the Teflon strip that came with the stabs to cloth tape, and by changing the wire. Although the wire looked absolutely fine and straight. Sigh...

And screwed up my PE foam layer fixing the stabs. Need to do another piece for each side.

Looking pretty. Assembled but only rotary encoder has been soldered in.
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for those tiny ticking noises, it's better to check if the stabilizer housings are sitting flush. sometimes this is the cause of the noise also, especially at the areas that secure wires.

in my case, most of my recent builds are using plate-mount stabilizers from fl-cmmk, since i still have plates with plate-mount stabilizer support. so far, they are good enough with minimal tuning.
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post Sep 19 2022, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 18 2022, 11:16 PM)
for those tiny ticking noises, it's better to check if the stabilizer housings are sitting flush. sometimes this is the cause of the noise also, especially at the areas that secure wires.

in my case, most of my recent builds are using plate-mount stabilizers from fl-cmmk, since i still have plates with plate-mount stabilizer support. so far, they are good enough with minimal tuning.
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Thanks. I'm pretty sure they're flush but I'll double triple check that. Might be related but they both happen to be at the edge of the PCB so the screw holes are not full holes. Maybe I need to do something extra to secure them better.

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post Sep 19 2022, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(Lurker @ Sep 15 2022, 05:38 PM)
Noo.......
Rabbit hole
Will stick with xda/dsa
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KAM I poison you some more

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=114644.0;all

GB starting next month. I might be getting the spacebar kit myself for the lovely navy 1U spacebars that I can put in my macro column.
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post Sep 19 2022, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Sep 19 2022, 08:31 AM)
Thanks. I'm pretty sure they're flush but I'll double triple check that. Might be related but they both happen to be at the edge of the PCB so the screw holes are not full holes. Maybe I need to do something extra to secure them better.

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i use nylon washers, and pan-washer head screws mainly.
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post Sep 19 2022, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 19 2022, 09:55 AM)
i use nylon washers, and pan-washer head screws mainly.
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Had to google what that meant. C3 stabs come with normal pan head screws and some non-conductive washers of unknown material.
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Sep 19 2022, 10:15 AM)
Had to google what that meant. C3 stabs come with normal pan head screws and some non-conductive washers of unknown material.
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pan-washer head is like this, https://my.misumi-ec.com/vona2/detail/221000547292/

stock screws are fine by the way. i use pan-washer head because i thought it has more surface area to secure stabilizer housings better; good for situations like non-full screw holes.
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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 19 2022, 10:55 AM)
pan-washer head is like this, https://my.misumi-ec.com/vona2/detail/221000547292/

stock screws are fine by the way. i use pan-washer head because i thought it has more surface area to secure stabilizer housings better; good for situations like non-full screw holes.
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looks good for those 3D printed case too.
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Oct 12 2021, 05:47 PM)
All done! So nice to have a (mostly) matching set. Just wish that the NUM had per key LED for a complete match.

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QUOTE(Lurker @ Sep 19 2022, 11:16 AM)
looks good for those 3D printed case too.
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Personally I like countersunk screws with an aluminium washer. That way you can add some flair with different colours of anodized aluminium. I used blue in my boards above.
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looks good for those 3D printed case too.
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ok haha

on the side note, basically for most generic tray-mount cases, i just stick to m2 x5 hex screws, because i use 1mm rubber rings between pcb and standoffs, when i want to.

i never tighten screws. i stop turning once resistance is felt. for maintenance, it's better to coat a layer of oil for the screws, to minimize rusting.
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Sep 19 2022, 11:47 AM)
Personally I like countersunk screws with an aluminium washer. That way you can add some flair with different colours of anodized aluminium. I used blue in my boards above.
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so far all screws on my board are not showing or underneath the keeb.

which brings me to the next pet peeve in this hobby, paying exorbitantly high prices for a fancy bottom case, guess I'm not that deeply in the rabbit hole..............


yet?
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post Sep 19 2022, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 18 2022, 07:35 PM)
haha this hobby is mainly driven by hype. it's just one of the typical consumer behaviors.
one of the possible causes based on the symptom is like having bad diodes. if that's the case, replacement of the bad diode will resolve the problem.

however, there are also other causes. it needs physical inspections with tools like multimeter.

if the board still have warranty, make use of it.
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Thanks... Warranty over for quite some time d
My knowledge is until how to change the switch only...
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QUOTE(cwk0713 @ Sep 19 2022, 06:38 PM)
Thanks... Warranty over for quite some time d
My knowledge is until how to change the switch only...
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ok. if this is the case, you can either pay someone who is experienced to help you out, or you can learn how to trace and fix it by yourself.


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post Sep 20 2022, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ Sep 17 2022, 09:35 AM)
BTW any of you are going to the keebs gathering on 1st Oct at GMBB?
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manage to get the paid one, cause i'm also active in their discord
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post Sep 20 2022, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Marcus95 @ Sep 20 2022, 09:48 AM)
manage to get the paid one, cause i'm also active in their discord
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hope you win some lucky draw
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post Sep 20 2022, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ Sep 20 2022, 10:26 AM)
hope you win some lucky draw
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Just out of curiosity, whats your Nasi Lemak switch recipe?
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QUOTE(Marcus95 @ Sep 20 2022, 11:22 AM)
Just out of curiosity, whats your Nasi Lemak switch recipe?
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It is actually a mixed of switches that i have extra lying around ...
bottom is using feker panda (nylon)
top is feker green emerald (PE) (PC)
stem is akko red (POM)
spring i used back the akko spring (53g i think)

more or less it is a linear switch with not much of tock sweat.gif
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also i managed to whip up the alphabets only since it is enough for that portion only

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ Sep 20 2022, 01:27 PM)
It is actually a mixed of switches that i have extra lying around ...
bottom is using faker panda (nylon)
top is faker green emerald (PE)
stem is akko red (POM)
spring i used back the akko spring (53g i think)

more or less it is a linear switch with not much of tock sweat.gif
whistling.gif

also i managed to whip up the alphabets only since it is enough for that portion only
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interesting top PE, any sound test? brows.gif

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QUOTE(Marcus95 @ Sep 20 2022, 01:30 PM)
interesting top PE, any sound test?  brows.gif
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Sorry my bad .. top is PC not PE

ill try to do soon now lazy to record

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currently there is a limited run of star75 at taobao, with different colors, https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=656392112467

if you're into gasket-mount 75%, this is a good deal imo.
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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 21 2022, 12:55 PM)
currently there is a limited run of star75 at taobao, with different colors, https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=656392112467

if you're into gasket-mount 75%, this is a good deal imo.
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how much is it?
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how much is it?
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it's around 920myr, excluding shipping. i just ordered another one for collection hehe

edit: tbh, with the current trend of packaging custom kits to include a hotswap pcb and a base option that has almost everything, and then you can still have optional addons of fully compatible parts, beginners these days can just grab any of such kits, and start playing with different combinations progressively. in a way, it's really like getting multiple kits, at a much cheaper price.

form factors and layouts might be the main problems during kit selection. but then, it might also help a beginner to find out the actual form factors and layouts that are more suitable for them.


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upcoming raffle sale for TGR Jane V2 on 26

https://store.monokei.co/products/jane-v2-me

Anyone joining?
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upcoming raffle sale for TGR Jane V2 on 26

https://store.monokei.co/products/jane-v2-me

Anyone joining?
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no. it's a tkl, wkl layout. it's better to let others who like the layout to have it.
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Does anyone agree that thocky switches are as annoyingly loud as clicky blues .... in the office environment??
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QUOTE(Marcus95 @ Sep 22 2022, 10:04 AM)
upcoming raffle sale for TGR Jane V2 on 26

https://store.monokei.co/products/jane-v2-me

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Would love to but can't fork out the usd750 right now.
They do plan for it to be a frequent in stock raffle.
So, not today but maybe someday.
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Does anyone agree that thocky switches are as annoyingly loud as clicky blues .... in the office environment??
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I can see how its distracting. I can borrow you boba u4s bobagums or sakurios if you wanna try silent switches.
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QUOTE(Lurker @ Sep 22 2022, 03:04 PM)
Does anyone agree that thocky switches are as annoyingly loud as clicky blues .... in the office environment??
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I feel attacked. Lol.

But seriously, my boss slamming on his Dell membrane keeb is equally as loud as my Boba U4Ts.
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Does anyone agree that thocky switches are as annoyingly loud as clicky blues .... in the office environment??
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yes, some will be annoyed haha

tbh office environment is a public place. just don't over-syok sendiri smile.gif
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QUOTE(Lurker @ Sep 22 2022, 03:04 PM)
Does anyone agree that thocky switches are as annoyingly loud as clicky blues .... in the office environment??
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maybe just you don't like the way how thocky it is? im sure its all the pe foam sound
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QUOTE(Lurker @ Sep 22 2022, 03:04 PM)
Does anyone agree that thocky switches are as annoyingly loud as clicky blues .... in the office environment??
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come back to the reason ... do you want to annoy everyone in the office ??? mega_shok.gif
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Zoom65 pre order is back

https://rebultkeyboards.com/collections/zoom65

essential is around 729 ++
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but Jan baru dapat whistling.gif


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Pre-Order Time: 21 September 2022, 8pm
Pre-Order End Time: 3 October 2022, 11:59pm

Estimated Fulfillment Time: Shipped to Rebult Keyboards by the end of 2022, fulfilment likely in January

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lol.. really a sensitive ques tongue.gif didn't expect so much response

i'm thocking away on some harimau/s
itu pasallah...

those whacking away loudly on membrane, i kesian sama their fingers

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QUOTE(Lurker @ Sep 22 2022, 06:00 PM)
lol.. really a sensitive ques tongue.gif didn't expect so much response

i'm thocking away on some harimau/s
itu pasallah...

those whacking away loudly on membrane, i kesian sama their fingers
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hahaha
with harimau ... for sure lah
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harimau is good now it is tuck away in a bottle for me ... waiting for a new board maybe ... now hammering my nasi lemak sw hahaha
but i think less tock whistling.gif

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QUOTE(Lurker @ Sep 22 2022, 06:00 PM)
lol.. really a sensitive ques tongue.gif didn't expect so much response

i'm thocking away on some harimau/s
itu pasallah...

those whacking away loudly on membrane, i kesian sama their fingers
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it's not really a sensitive question. it's just mutual respect to each other.

eventhough i don't have such an issue, i still constrain myself from bringing loud boards to office. lo-key is my thing lol

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post Sep 23 2022, 12:58 PM

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Finally done. First day at the office with new keeb.

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sometimes i wonder why the straightness of epbt's modifier keys and space bars are based on luck, while shenpo's are just always straight.

to prove this, i have tested almost every cherry profile set from shenpo, including their dye-sub pbt and double-shot abs. shenpo's key caps are relatively thicker in many cases (dye-sub especially).

note that there are short comings in shenpo's caps, compared to epbt or crp, so shenpo is definitely still having many rooms for improvement. this is especially true if you talked about details that are related to visual qualities (e.g., sometimes relatively blurred legends; and somewhat deformed caps). however, in terms of typing feel, they are ok imo (there are differences, but only can be observed with side-by-side comparisons)

i think new key set makers like shenpo should just make their own sets, instead of making clones.
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sometimes i wonder why the straightness of epbt's modifier keys and space bars are based on luck, while shenpo's are just always straight.

to prove this, i have tested almost every cherry profile set from shenpo, including their dye-sub pbt and double-shot abs. shenpo's key caps are relatively thicker in many cases (dye-sub especially).

note that there are short comings in shenpo's caps, compared to epbt or crp, so shenpo is definitely still having many rooms for improvement. this is especially true if you talked about details that are related to visual qualities (e.g., sometimes relatively blurred legends; and somewhat deformed caps). however, in terms of typing feel, they are ok imo (there are differences, but only can be observed with side-by-side comparisons)

i think new key set makers like shenpo should just make their own sets, instead of making clones.
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Not sure how true it is but I've heard that makers like Shenpo and Xiami don't actually manufacture their own keycaps - as in they buy blank keycaps from another manufacturer then dyesub their own legends onto it. In fact, some have speculated that they both sourced from the same manufacturer until Xiami blew up in popularity and has now changed to another supplier to keep up with demands. So, whoever their supplier is has to take credit for their good quality thick PBT blank caps.

This is for their PBT sets only, didn't even know Shenpo has double shot ABS caps. But I doubt they have the capability to produce double shot ABS sets if they can't even make PBTs.

ePBT I believe has their own manufacturing line from producing the caps to dyesubbing (they are backed by KBDfans?). Not quite sure about CRP but I believe they manufacture their own as well.
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Not sure how true it is but I've heard that makers like Shenpo and Xiami don't actually manufacture their own keycaps - as in they buy blank keycaps from another manufacturer then dyesub their own legends onto it. In fact, some have speculated that they both sourced from the same manufacturer until Xiami blew up in popularity and has now changed to another supplier to keep up with demands. So, whoever their supplier is has to take credit for their good quality thick PBT blank caps.

This is for their PBT sets only, didn't even know Shenpo has double shot ABS caps. But I doubt they have the capability to produce double shot ABS sets if they can't even make PBTs.

ePBT I believe has their own manufacturing line from producing the caps to dyesubbing (they are backed by KBDfans?). Not quite sure about CRP but I believe they manufacture their own as well.
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yes i have read about shenpo and early xmi sharing the same manufacturer for blanks. yes, the manufacturer should get credit for supplying good blanks.

however, in the case of dye-sub sets, epbt is experienced, while shenpo is still relatively new. since epbt has own facilities for pbt blanks, it should have better controls on qc, and with experience to handle large-scale gbs for years, they should know more on how to handle deformed caps during sorting.

i still get epbt key sets, and i have no issue fixing warped long keys. i just wonder what is happening in the background that proper qc cannot be done for epbt.

perhaps it's really due to the volume of orders that epbt received, while shenpo's still very small.





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yes i have read about shenpo and early xmi sharing the same manufacturer for blanks. yes, the manufacturer should get credit for supplying good blanks.

however, in the case of dye-sub sets, epbt is experienced, while shenpo is still relatively new. since epbt has own facilities for pbt blanks, it should have better controls on qc, and with experience to handle large-scale gbs for years, they should know more on how to handle deformed caps during sorting.

i still get epbt key sets, and i have no issue fixing warped long keys. i just wonder what is happening in the background that proper qc cannot be done for epbt.

perhaps it's really due to the volume of orders that epbt received, while shenpo's still very small.
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You would think that ePBT would get better with experience, but I've seen feedbacks that say they have actually gotten worse since their earlier days. It might be true that it's just a case of not having enough manpower to sort out the warped caps, but you would think that after so many years, shouldn't they at least have improved on the manufacturing part to not get as many warped caps? Maybe it's not so fair to compare Shenpo/XMI to ePBT when one deals mainly with beige/white caps only while the other does all sorts of colours (5-side reverse dyesub). I've also heard good things with Cannonkeys' PBT sets though I've never seen any in person, and like ePBT they do coloured/themed sets. For a relatively newcomer to do better? Not a good look for ePBT. Personally, I don't buy ePBT anymore these days unless I really like it.

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You would think that ePBT would get better with experience, but I've seen feedbacks that say they have actually gotten worse since their earlier days. It might be true that it's just a case of not having enough manpower to sort out the warped caps, but you would think that after so many years, shouldn't they at least have improved on the manufacturing part to not get as many warped caps? Maybe it's not so fair to compare Shenpo/XMI to ePBT when one deals mainly with beige/white caps only while the other does all sorts of colours (5-side reverse dyesub). I've also heard good things with Cannonkeys' PBT sets though I've never seen any in person, and like ePBT they do coloured/themed sets. For a relatively newcomer to do better? Not a good look for ePBT. Personally, I don't buy ePBT anymore these days unless I really like it.
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i know there is no persistence in their work. i have old epbt sets too. back in the days, only few made thick pbt key caps. recently there are many new comers, and they produce notable alternatives.

shenpo's also doing 5-side reverse dye-sub, but yeah in smaller numbers. they only do it for certain modifier keys and space bars.

competition is good for us consumers. i just hope epbt will improve their work.
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lol.. really a sensitive ques tongue.gif didn't expect so much response

i'm thocking away on some harimau/s
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Can be quite tiring with those 67g though.
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Harimau ftw.

Can be quite tiring with those 67g though.
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i have some questions and hopefully some good fellas here would be able to answer me

i quit mech kb around 2014? and recently started feeling itchy again.

my favourite switches then was 62g ergo clears, but then i switched to vintage blacks 58-62g (?) and fell in love with blacks. what are the switches that comes close to them? i also noticed in mechmarket that theres a lot of different switches name now.. im getting old, too many names to remember lah

back when i started collecting mech kb, acrylic custom keyboards were really bad, but nowadays i see a lot using polycarb material, i saw that the lin montage polycarb is really sexy, but seems to be hard to find, anything close to that you guys can suggest?

i am currently using a tecware tkl with gateron yellows (this one got me itching again). also is it still hard to get those 55g topres?

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i have some questions and hopefully some good fellas here would be able to answer me

i quit mech kb around 2014? and recently started feeling itchy again.

my favourite switches then was 62g ergo clears, but then i switched to vintage blacks 58-62g (?) and fell in love with blacks. what are the switches that comes close to them? i also noticed in mechmarket that theres a lot of different switches name now.. im getting old, too many names to remember lah

back when i started collecting mech kb, acrylic custom keyboards were really bad, but nowadays i see a lot using polycarb material, i saw that the lin montage polycarb is really sexy, but seems to be hard to find, anything close to that you guys can suggest?

i am currently using a tecware tkl with gateron yellows (this one got me itching again). also is it still hard to get those 55g topres?
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it come back to preference hahaha
btw i found a transparent keycaps with the marking in shopee ... just torn between MDA or NSA hahaha

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Just my thought about the Harimau.

Yes I have lighter switches of course. smile.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Sep 29 2022, 06:15 PM)
Just my thought about the Harimau.

Yes I have lighter switches of course. smile.gif
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but then i came to my Nasi lemak one sweat.gif whistling.gif

thinking how to do ... teh tarik one whistling.gif

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it's the same mkb community pattern. the difference is just volume, mainly because the convenience of hotswap boards brings out more users, hence amplifies numbers.

also, expiration of cherry mx's patent led to explosion of switch options. tbh, there are improvements in many areas, but if you looked at basics, there are not many changes actually.

in this hobby, getting to know own preferences needs time and efforts. it's more important for each to go through own journey at own pace to find out.

unfortunately, most users choose to be fed by hypes and self-hynosis. it's a sad thing.
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unfortunately, most users choose to be fed by hypes and self-hynosis. it's a sad thing.
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Who went to the meetup yesterday
A lot of crowd and a lot of nice keebs hahaha

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Who went to the meetup yesterday
A lot of crowd and a lot of nice keebs hahaha
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I was there ah, got see my keeb?

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I was there ah, got see my keeb?

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yes i saw this ... including an incredible one that the plate was held by only 4 springs and damn it flex like nice ....
sorry didnt have time to took picture since i was amaze by it hahaha


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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ Oct 2 2022, 03:14 PM)
yes i saw this ... including an incredible one that the plate was held by only 4 springs and damn it flex like nice ....
sorry didnt have time to took picture since i was amaze by it hahaha
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right joining meetups like this should give you more exposure. hopefully you have learned something useful, and will try apply to your builds smile.gif

edit: there is a small surprice for those who got their star75. the full package includes a case bag also.


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LOL unker just bought the first keeb, exactly what unker was thinking, when unker was getting the first mechanical keyboard.

Ended up getting the keychron k6 with aluminium frame via taobao, but kaputed in 7days and ended up replaced with a RKG84 pro (the aluminium base model).

Last-last after comparing my nephews normal budget RKG68, unker dun see much difference LOL
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QUOTE(Duperaider @ Oct 4 2022, 05:17 PM)
LOL unker just bought the first keeb, exactly what unker was thinking, when unker was getting the first mechanical keyboard.

Ended up getting the keychron k6 with aluminium frame via taobao, but kaputed in 7days and ended up replaced with a RKG84 pro (the aluminium base model).

Last-last after comparing my nephews normal budget RKG68, unker dun see much difference LOL
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interesting article
https://vulcanpost.com/804970/keebs-project...egeri-sembilan/


mkb passion/poison runs deep in Malaysia xd, cauz now we have stores like this when years ago we had nothing like it at all. Anyway this store looks interesting if you're an enthusiast.

these types of places are convenient, maybe they allow you to test them before comitting to a mkb. or you can just go to one the mkb meetups, the one i went to every1 brought their mkbs was interesting, even got to try a topre which was great biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Oct 5 2022, 06:33 PM)
interesting article
https://vulcanpost.com/804970/keebs-project...egeri-sembilan/
mkb passion/poison runs deep in Malaysia xd, cauz now we have stores like this when years ago we had nothing like it at all. Anyway this store looks interesting if you're an enthusiast.

these types of places are convenient, maybe they allow you to test them before comitting to a mkb. or you can just go to one the mkb meetups, the one i went to every1 brought their mkbs was interesting, even got to try a topre which was great biggrin.gif
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I went to the meetup too ... but didnt bring mine hahaha ...
there was incident that someone accidently took an artisan cap from a mkb in the event not sure if they found it or not in the end
but yes it is a good place to see and share thoughts on mkb
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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ Oct 5 2022, 09:17 PM)
I went to the meetup too ... but didnt bring mine hahaha ...
there was incident that someone accidently took an artisan cap from a mkb in the event not sure if they found it or not in the end
but yes it is a good place to see and share thoughts on mkb
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uh? it's just sad to know that things like this happened in a meetup.
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uh? it's just sad to know that things like this happened in a meetup.
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hopefully they found the keycap ... maybe just fell on the floor

new update: YES it did fell on the floor and someone found it

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hopefully they found the keycap ... maybe just fell on the floor
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that's good to know. it's a happy ending after all biggrin.gif

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Time to bring my baby home for the weekend.

Happy weekend everyone!

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Fuiyoh.... Is that a pelican case?
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damn. this is really over-protected lol

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Fuiyoh.... Is that a pelican case?
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to consume left-overs, my latest reference barebone is a mixed-switch build:

1. switches: sp-star white for mainly alphas and numbers, jwick black for the rest; both are with payson's poron films;
2. spring: gazzew's 65g long progressive;
3. switch sheet: ixpe;
4. plate: dxws' pom plate;
5. stabilizers: fl-cmmk plate-mount

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in terms of relative spring weights (based on typing feel of linear rated spring, and weight range for my comforts), i have gone through stock (60g, cherry mx red, my base reference), heavy (67g to 70g), light (35g to 58.5g), and medium (63.5g to 65g). i'm now trying to narrow down the range. while i can type comfortably within the range, i prefer lighter ones, ranging from 57g to 63.5g.

note that the spring weight of most switches, custom and mainstream, are within the range of 35g to 70g. it's like a standard range for most vendors now, based on user preferences in the past. hence these days we are good to go with stock springs.

edit: as usual, pom plate makes relatively louder noise compared to pc and cf. however, the typing feel is fine.


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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 8 2022, 12:18 PM)
to consume left-overs, my latest reference barebone is a mixed-switch build:

1. switches: sp-star white for mainly alphas and numbers, jwick black for the rest; both are with payson's poron films;
2. spring: gazzew's 65g long progressive;
3. switch sheet: ixpe;
4. plate: dxws' pom plate;
5. stabilizers: fl-cmmk plate-mount

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in terms of relative spring weights (based on typing feel of linear rated spring, and weight range for my comforts), i have gone through stock (60g, cherry mx red, my base reference), heavy (67g to 70g), light (35g to 58.5g), and medium (63.5g to 65g). i'm now trying to narrow down the range. while i can type comfortably within the range, i prefer lighter ones, ranging from 57g to 63.5g.

note that the spring weight of most switches, custom and mainstream, are within the range of 35g to 70g. it's like a standard range for most vendors now, based on user preferences in the past. hence these days we are good to go with stock springs.

edit: as usual, pom plate makes relatively louder noise compared to pc and cf. however, the typing feel is fine.
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long progressive does it make the switch bouncy ???
mine using 53 on my nasi lemak switch, need a bit of adjustment to get use to it whistling.gif
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long progressive does it make the switch bouncy ???
mine using 53 on my nasi lemak switch, need a bit of adjustment to get use to it  whistling.gif
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long progressive produces the feel of a long spring (heavier starting force, hence firm/solid feel when you place fingers on the keys), but the progressive part of it makes the keys relatively easier to travel down and up, compared to a typical long spring.

the description above is based on normal/long/progressive springs with the same bottom-out weight.
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long progressive produces the feel of a long spring (heavier starting force, hence firm/solid feel when you place fingers on the keys), but the progressive part of it makes the keys relatively easier to travel down and up, compared to a typical long spring.

the description above is based on normal/long/progressive springs with the same bottom-out weight.
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i see .. most likely yes since i m recycling the switches hahaha

thanks for the explaination

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i see .. most likely yes since i m recycling the switches hahaha

thanks for the explaination
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i bought gazzew's 65g long progressive, because i wanna try out its unique spring design, and it's a backup in case jwk matcha and epsilon which have 68g springs are heavy for me. however, both turned out fine, because they're just like 67g to me.
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does this setting work for you guys?
doesn't work for me after turning it on
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does this setting work for you guys?
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not sure sorry; these features on mine are always turned off.

edit: from google, these features are for touch keyboard. they're not meant for hardware keyboards.

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in general, setting up reference points are important for comparison purposes. you can just set them up based on own preferences. since the typing feel is about everything in a mkb working together, to me it's more practical to do tests by typing normally (e.g., on boards with identical setups). there are still relative differences in typing feel between soldered and hotswap boards. however, gaps between the two have been narrowed down progressively. also, these differences are relative, and they might not be significant in many cases nowadays, imo.

the main reason why i can do comparisons easily is because two of my daily drivers are kbd67 rev2, one is with tuned cherry mx red with stock 60g spring (soldered), another one is with kbd67 hotswap. these two are my base reference units, with almost identical setups and modifications:

1. plate type: aluminum, no cut-out;
2. plate foam: present, custom-made 3.5mm eva;
3. pcb: standard thickness, no cut-out;
4. stabilizers: gmk pcb-mount.

there are still rooms for improvement for both units, but they are good enough for reference and comparison purposes. since they use bottom-mount plate mounting style, they are not as forgiving as gasket-mount kits. that means it's easier for me to find 'faults' with them. (and fix them if i can)

practically, top-mount is the better option, because top-mount uses less screws, so it takes lesser time to install switches in the proper manner. by the way, the proper way to install switches on a hotswap board that is often suggested by experienced users, is to support the switch socket on one side with your fingers, and then install the key switch on the other side. this minimizes the risks of detached sockets from pcb due to misaligned switches, and also to make sure all switches are installed and secured properly. however, not all hotswap boards can do that, so just take this 'feature' into account when you're looking for new hotswap kits.

note that for hotswap boards that are used for frequent comparison purposes, it's better to use hard plate types with no cut-outs (e.g., aluminum, cf) compared to soft ones (e.g., pc, pom). this is because it's easier to install and remove switches with hard plate types.


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Dear sifus... i'm interested in getting this Noctua keycap set....
https://drop.com/buy/drop-mito-mt3-noctua-k...969878#overview

Which keyboard is safe for me to buy and can use? if i look at the sample/demo picture, i think it is keychron, this model....

https://www.keychron.com/collections/custom...pan-jis-layout#

they are compatible since Keychron uses Gateron switch....

thanks!
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Oct 12 2022, 12:52 AM)
Dear sifus... i'm interested in getting this Noctua keycap set....
https://drop.com/buy/drop-mito-mt3-noctua-k...969878#overview

Which keyboard is safe for me to buy and can use? if i look at the sample/demo picture, i think it is keychron, this model....

https://www.keychron.com/collections/custom...pan-jis-layout#

they are compatible since Keychron uses Gateron switch....

thanks!
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Yes the Q1 would be a safe bet. Much better than the GMMK Pro.
Here are some other options (warning: Some are Groupbuys)

QK60
https://www.rebultkeyboards.com/collections...tykeys-qk60-wkl

Zoom65
https://ilumkb.com/products/instock-zoom65-...=40174258978898

Hibiki (Choc color will super suit the Noctua colors)
https://hibi.mx/products/hibiki?variant=43349931589870

QK65
https://www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/6...hare_attachment

Tiger 80 Lite
https://kbdfans.com/collections/tiger-lite/...=40685184057483
There's an alu version if you like

Mode Sonnet
https://modedesigns.com/products/sonnet

Sorry the more I look, the more expensive it gets.
Q1 in Lazada 500ish barebones.

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Oct 12 2022, 12:52 AM)
Dear sifus... i'm interested in getting this Noctua keycap set....
https://drop.com/buy/drop-mito-mt3-noctua-k...969878#overview

Which keyboard is safe for me to buy and can use? if i look at the sample/demo picture, i think it is keychron, this model....

https://www.keychron.com/collections/custom...pan-jis-layout#

they are compatible since Keychron uses Gateron switch....

thanks!
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QUOTE(krayden @ Oct 12 2022, 02:40 AM)
Q1 in Lazada 500ish barebones.
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yes barebone will be around that price
or you can hunt on carousell and test your luck ... if you are lucky u will get a cheaper modded one hahaha

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My obsession with Nasi Lemak ... dont flame me sweat.gif
Next will be the coiled cable

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My obsession with Nasi Lemak ... dont flame me sweat.gif
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if it's nasi lemak + udang sambal + petai lagi lah sedappp lol
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ill always prefer sotong ... yum yum yumm ...
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bro..the GMMK pro, you mean this one? K1 version?
due to budget....i may consider this...will it be compatible as well?

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-...anical-keyboard

this V1 version is using Keychron K Pro switches, i try google but cannot find confirmation if can fit the keycaps...

thanks!

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Yes the Q1 would be a safe bet. Much better than the GMMK Pro.
Here are some other options (warning: Some are Groupbuys)

QK60
https://www.rebultkeyboards.com/collections...tykeys-qk60-wkl

Zoom65
https://ilumkb.com/products/instock-zoom65-...=40174258978898

Hibiki (Choc color will super suit the Noctua colors)
https://hibi.mx/products/hibiki?variant=43349931589870

QK65
https://www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/6...hare_attachment

Tiger 80 Lite
https://kbdfans.com/collections/tiger-lite/...=40685184057483
There's an alu version if you like

Mode Sonnet
https://modedesigns.com/products/sonnet

Sorry the more I look, the more expensive it gets.
Q1 in Lazada 500ish barebones.
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hi all ,any keyboard with low profile quiet switch?
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bro..the GMMK pro, you mean this one? K1 version?
due to budget....i may consider this...will it be compatible as well?

https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-...anical-keyboard

this V1 version is using Keychron K Pro switches, i try google but cannot find confirmation if can fit the keycaps...

thanks!
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GMMK Pro is from a diff company. Nvm that, dun look at it. The Q1 is better.
K1, skip that, V1 better.
Everything you and I mentioned so far will fit the standard cherry cross stem keycaps (which are the common ones you see everywhere like the Noctua Mt3s). If you wanna be sure, you can post a final selection for us to look over for comparability before you buy anything. The V1 will fit your Noctua MT3s.

For your info, V1 review and small mod guide (he actually reco the Tiger Lite at the end):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVeEngrQGv0&t=6s

Something else to look at (Freebird 75, full alu case, avail for early access now or pre-order at illumkb Oct24, shipping Q1 2023):
https://keebsforall.com/products/freebird75

I take it you like 75%. IMHO Tiger Lite>Freebird 75>Q1>V1

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QUOTE(yungkit14 @ Oct 12 2022, 11:55 PM)
hi all ,any keyboard with low profile quiet switch?
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I dun see any kailh choc silent switches.
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I dun see any kailh choc silent switches.
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so whats the alternative ,imusing black otemu je sad.gif
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Black quite heavy.
Outemu..... I dun like them. Tried Outemu silent whites, it was very mushy, almost like membrane switches. But my friend really liked them, so he bought that board with those switches.

If your problem with the blacks is the weight, just change the springs. If its the feel, try another switch.

For silent switches,
Bobagums, TTC Frozen
More expensive, Sakurios.
I would reco Bobagums and call it a day.

BTW std height and low profile switches use diff PCB. Can't interchange.

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GMMK Pro is from a diff company. Nvm that, dun look at it. The Q1 is better.
K1, skip that, V1 better.
Everything you and I mentioned so far will fit the standard cherry cross stem keycaps (which are the common ones you see everywhere like the Noctua Mt3s). If you wanna be sure, you can post a final selection for us to look over for comparability before you buy anything. The V1 will fit your Noctua MT3s.

For your info, V1 review and small mod guide (he actually reco the Tiger Lite at the end):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVeEngrQGv0&t=6s

Something else to look at (Freebird 75, full alu case, avail for early access now or pre-order at illumkb Oct24, shipping Q1 2023):
https://keebsforall.com/products/freebird75

I take it you like 75%. IMHO Tiger Lite>Freebird 75>Q1>V1

I think I met you before during my ICE days. Are you from PG?
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Yes Q1 better whistling.gif ... dunno about Q2
been using it for a while and no complaints

you can test your luck in carousell i saw a bunch are selling with good prices ... just u may need to mod it yourself but then again that is it should be right hahaha

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Hi giving away FC660C w/ Heavy-6 on Carousell: https://www.carousell.com.my/p/1190348845

Prefer to have this go to somebody who'd appreciate the keyboard. If you are pming me via Carousell let me know you are from this tered. Cheers.

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Hi giving away FC660C w/ Heavy-6 on Carousell: https://www.carousell.com.my/p/1190348845

Prefer to have this go to somebody who'd appreciate the keyboard. If you are pming me via Carousell let me know you are from this tered. Cheers.
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this is very nice of you smile.gif

it's too bad topre is not my cup of tea.
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Hi horns, kindly share this info to our kinds and hmu here or Carousell. Use 'elephant' as the secret phrase.
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Hi giving away FC660C w/ Heavy-6 on Carousell: https://www.carousell.com.my/p/1190348845

Prefer to have this go to somebody who'd appreciate the keyboard. If you are pming me via Carousell let me know you are from this tered. Cheers.
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Hello, I'll PM you... I'm currently looking for my old Ducky One2SF 65% replacement.
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QUOTE(Longicollis @ Oct 13 2022, 12:22 PM)
Hi giving away FC660C w/ Heavy-6 on Carousell: https://www.carousell.com.my/p/1190348845

Prefer to have this go to somebody who'd appreciate the keyboard. If you are pming me via Carousell let me know you are from this tered. Cheers.
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near my place hahaha
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My 2nd build. Love the sound very much.
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Hi gais thanks for your interest. I'm no longer the owner of the keyboard. Cheers.
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My 2nd build. Love the sound very much.
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QUOTE(Longicollis @ Oct 13 2022, 04:17 PM)
Hi gais thanks for your interest. I'm no longer the owner of the keyboard. Cheers.
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sweet! hopefully the new owner will appreciate your kindness, and the board smile.gif


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since 0.18 of qmk, there are deprecated codes that will throw warnings during the compilation of firmware. removing them from the source code will make these warning messages disappear. the following are what i encountered:
1. UNUSED_PINS (usually in config.h);
2. RGBLIGHT_ANIMATIONS (usually in config.h; now you need to define all the effects that you want; refer to https://docs.qmk.fm/#/feature_rgblight)

i think there are others. usually the checks during compilation will tell you which one is not used anymore. you can still use the firmware if you're lazy. they are just warnings.

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spec please ... look awesome
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Wah...... Mammoth....... Chonky boi......
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Thanks bro! I'm looking at QK60 now. Lol... buying never stop!

QUOTE(cruzzmz @ Oct 13 2022, 06:50 PM)
spec please ... look awesome
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Thanks bro! Is a Mammoth 75 with GMK Pulse Mitolet keycap.

QUOTE(krayden @ Oct 13 2022, 06:52 PM)
Wah...... Mammoth....... Chonky boi......
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Haha... I'm loving the typing sound

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Thanks bro! I'm looking at QK60 now. Lol... buying never stop!
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QK60 ... hahaha was about to pull trigger too then saw 2023 sweat.gif whistling.gif
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Hello experts... I would like to ask where can I get Boba U4 62g (silent) at reasonable price?

My friend gave me 30 x U4 and oh man... It's really silent compared to the default Cherry MX Brown...

Looking to purchase to the rest to complete the setup...

Thank you!

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Hello experts... I would like to ask where can I get Boba U4 62g (silent) at reasonable price?

My friend gave me 30 x U4 and oh man... It's really silent compared to the default Cherry MX Brown...

Looking to purchase to the rest to complete the setup...

Thank you!
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https://www.gazzew.com/ would be the "official" place to look for distributors. I've bought from Pantheon twice with no problem. Aliexpress might be cheaper but be prepared to wait a month plus.

Oh and have a look at Bobagum too. It's their silent linear switch.
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https://www.gazzew.com/ would be the "official" place to look for distributors. I've bought from Pantheon twice with no problem. Aliexpress might be cheaper but be prepared to wait a month plus.

Oh and have a look at Bobagum too. It's their silent linear switch.
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how about taobao?
or shopee?

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QUOTE(thankyou @ Oct 16 2022, 10:18 PM)
Hello experts... I would like to ask where can I get Boba U4 62g (silent) at reasonable price?

My friend gave me 30 x U4 and oh man... It's really silent compared to the default Cherry MX Brown...

Looking to purchase to the rest to complete the setup...

Thank you!
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I have 90 of both U4 and bobagum stock if you're interested.
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Oct 17 2022, 10:14 AM)
https://www.gazzew.com/ would be the "official" place to look for distributors. I've bought from Pantheon twice with no problem. Aliexpress might be cheaper but be prepared to wait a month plus.

Oh and have a look at Bobagum too. It's their silent linear switch.
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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ Oct 17 2022, 11:07 AM)
how about taobao?
or shopee?
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Thank you. I did search in Taobao/AliExpress/Shopee. They are either 68g, non clear case which my friend gave it to me or too expensive like RM6.xx a piece? U4T is much cheaper somehow...

Worst case any recommendations close to this? Silent tactile switch?


QUOTE(krayden @ Oct 17 2022, 01:02 PM)
I have 90 of both U4 and bobagum stock if you're interested.
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Thank you. May I know how much are you selling for U4? And is it 62g clear case?
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Thank you. May I know how much are you selling for U4? And is it 62g clear case?
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This one:
https://shopee.com.my/Gazzew-Boba-U4-Silent...5179.8079964058

They still have 40pieces.
You can have my 90 for rm300 COD if you want. PM me.
Sorry not the RGB version.
The pricing nowadays quiet crazy.
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QUOTE(krayden @ Oct 17 2022, 05:23 PM)
This one:
https://shopee.com.my/Gazzew-Boba-U4-Silent...5179.8079964058

They still have 40pieces.
You can have my 90 for rm300 COD if you want. PM me.
Sorry not the RGB version.
The pricing nowadays quiet crazy.
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Thanks I saw this... Yes this is the cheapest among all... Almost perfect other than the RGB version...

Do you think I should have them mixed?
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Thanks I saw this... Yes this is the cheapest among all... Almost perfect other than the RGB version...

Do you think I should have them mixed?
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If you dun use rgb I dun think it'll sound any diff since the bottom housing is probably the same.
If you do rgb, some parts of the board will be darker. It may or may not drive you crazy.
Here's a crazy idea. Check if the upper housing of your cherry browns fit the U4 lower housing. If it does you can frankenswitch it.
cherry upper, boba stem, boba lower.
Unless your browns aren't rgb either then you're SOL. Maybe buy used switches with clear tops at dirt cheap prices. Like cherry blues. Other cheap switches like KTT Kang whites at rm0.50/each could be an option also. But please check compatibility before purchase.

I was thinking of giving you some of my Outemu whites with clear top housing for this but they have diff legs.
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If you dun use rgb I dun think it'll sound any diff since the bottom housing is probably the same.
If you do rgb, some parts of the board will be darker. It may or may not drive you crazy.
Here's a crazy idea. Check if the upper housing of your cherry browns fit the U4 lower housing. If it does you can frankenswitch it.
cherry upper, boba stem, boba lower.
Unless your browns aren't rgb either then you're SOL. Maybe buy used switches with clear tops at dirt cheap prices. Like cherry blues. Other cheap switches like KTT Kang whites at rm0.50/each could be an option also. But please check compatibility before purchase.

I was thinking of giving you some of my Outemu whites with clear top housing for this but they have diff legs.
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Yes maybe the above is the way ... heck better frankenswitch it all the way hahaha
KTT kang white should fit as the top housing

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Thanks I saw this... Yes this is the cheapest among all... Almost perfect other than the RGB version...

Do you think I should have them mixed?
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you should consider this also, https://www.facebook.com/groups/MYMECHMARKE...63391527227128/

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Oh yeah. Dun buy the MT3 till Black Friday if you can wait. There was a BOGO sale sometime back for MT3. Black Friday Deal should be pretty good.
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Joining later today! TQ

QUOTE(krayden @ Oct 17 2022, 05:23 PM)
This one:
https://shopee.com.my/Gazzew-Boba-U4-Silent...5179.8079964058

They still have 40pieces.
You can have my 90 for rm300 COD if you want. PM me.
Sorry not the RGB version.
The pricing nowadays quiet crazy.
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QUOTE(krayden @ Oct 18 2022, 01:44 AM)
Oh yeah. Dun buy the MT3 till Black Friday if you can wait. There was a BOGO sale sometime back for MT3. Black Friday Deal should be pretty good.
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After considering for the whole night... I think I'll pass this deal. Just couldn't accept like half-half even though I know it's going to be covered by keycaps...

Thank you once again. I definitely can wait... Will keep checking for better deals
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Joining later today! TQ

After considering for the whole night... I think I'll pass this deal. Just couldn't accept like half-half even though I know it's going to be covered by keycaps...

Thank you once again. I definitely can wait... Will keep checking for better deals
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there will be but slight differences in typing feel and sound between the two variants, which you might ignore. of course i don't bother about rgb.

but, yeah just get what you see fit.
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Anyone has experience on buying things directly from ilumkb's office at SG? I'm thinking of getting keycaps from them when I travel to SG soon.
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Anyone has experience on buying things directly from ilumkb's office at SG? I'm thinking of getting keycaps from them when I travel to SG soon.
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you can communicate with them directly to see how it can be arranged?
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Will do so, thanks for the advice. Was wondering if anyone had this similar experience.
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just ordered 0.4mm*5mm*10mm coil springs (link) to try out coil spring mod, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1TzHJuVx00

tray-mount is fun if you think out of box biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 20 2022, 07:50 PM)
just ordered 0.4mm*5mm*10mm coil springs (link) to try out coil spring mod, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1TzHJuVx00

tray-mount is fun if you think out of box biggrin.gif
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ohoooo do let us know what is the result later ... post some video too
i only use the O ring mod

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ohoooo do let us know what is the result later ... post some video too
i only use the O ring mod
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sorry but photo sharing is the best that i can do haha

yes, i will share my findings. if the outcomes are ok, i will continue testing with different coil springs as well, if i can find them. this will take a while.

so far, i prefer partial gummy-o-ring mod (with the least vibrations during typing) > o-ring mod > silicone covers for standoffs by kbdfans > stock tray-mount (stock is really not optimal to produce good typing experience)
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Cherry's MX Ergo Clear switches are like tactile Browns, but lighter.

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For the happily obsessed mechanical keyboard enthusiast, there's no detail too minor on the journey to the perfect switch. Perfect key feel is worth poring over switch specs or even splicing parts from one mechanical switch with another to create the ideal Frankenswitch, as they've been named. One particular mod has attracted so much attention since being shared on a forum 11 years ago that Cherry turned it into a real product.

Cherry, the inventor of mechanical switches, announced the Cherry MX Ergo Clear this week, describing it as landing between tactile Brown and Clear switches. All three switches have 4 mm total travel and actuate at 2 mm, but the Ergo Clears require about 55 g of force to actuate, with that required force dropping to about 40 g at the switch's operating point. Clears, on the other hand, require 65 g before dropping to 55 g, while Browns require about 55 g and 45 g, respectively.


Cherry announced RGB and non-RGB versions of 3- and 5-pin MX Ergo Clears (four versions total).

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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/che...old-forum-post/



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DESCRIPTION
Created as a modification by enthusiasts, the CHERRY MX Ergo Clear is a particularly tactile switch with no click. The community switch combines the tactile feedback of the MX Clear with a comparatively light actuation as well as a reduced bottom-out force and offers a smoother typing feel and more relaxed typing or gaming even over many hours.


this....sounds exactly like something i would prefer notworthy.gif


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What Cherry MX Browns SHOULD Have Been: Ergo Clears Review



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out of these i only tried the red, brown and blue in this chart. but based on the description by youtuber, the mx brown tacility is barely noticeable compared to the ergo clear. i get that since mx browns are one of my favs, but if there is something with a bit more tacticility, sounds like something i would appreciate smile.gif

maybe for gamers they don't care as much, since they rather just bottom out with linear switches like reds, e.g. spaming keys as fast as possible (starcraft gamer? laugh.gif )



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Cherry announced its community-inspired MX Ergo Clear mechanical switches this week.


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Availability
True Ergo Clears are of course made by enthusiasts by combining parts from other switches.

Cherry had stated that they would actually produce Ergo Clears in a slider-colour of choice, with a minimum order of at least 750,000 switches.


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Official
Announced on October 17 2022 on Cherry's Cherry MX blog. The stem colour is however, translucent white like (or similar to?) the original Cherry MX Clear.
https://www.cherrymx.de/en/cherry-mx/mx-spe...ergo-clear.html


the youtube explained this, but wasn't this initially inspired by some online board user? well now seems cherry themselves have made it official smile.gif some info on the background of this switch
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Ergo_Clear

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Oct 21 2022, 05:05 AM)
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the youtube explained this, but wasn't this initially inspired by some online board user? well now seems cherry themselves have made it official  smile.gif some info on the background of this switch
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Ergo_Clear
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cherry is still cherry. they live their own lives, and react to market demands at their own pace. it took them this long to do this.

maybe they did this intentionally. it's an 11-year anniversary official release biggrin.gif

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Tempted to try this ... couldnt find any mx clear to do a franken
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Tempted to try this ... couldnt find any mx clear to do a franken
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I have one from a tester. I did try an ergo clear long ago. It was meh to me. Too light. A standard clear felt better.
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I have one from a tester. I did try an ergo clear long ago. It was meh to me. Too light. A standard clear felt better.
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actually ergo is only swapping spring right ??
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actually ergo is only swapping spring right ??
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Yes. I don't remember the details but people were complaining browns were not tactile enough, clear is more tactile but too heavy. Swap a brown spring into a clear==ergo clears.

My preference is quite different than the majority though. I like to spring swap my browns with a heavier spring. Lol.
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Yes. I don't remember the details but people were complaining browns were not tactile enough, clear is more tactile but too heavy. Swap a brown spring into a clear==ergo clears.

My preference is quite different than the majority though. I like to spring swap my browns with a heavier spring. Lol.
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well some people like it heavy hahaha
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Anyone know any shop selling keychron Q6 in KL? Checked shopee. Got one but it ship from china. Would prefer to have it immediately xd
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Anyone know any shop selling keychron Q6 in KL? Checked shopee. Got one but it ship from china. Would prefer to have it immediately xd
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Impulse gaming at sunway has a lot of keychrons. Not sure if they have the q6 though.
Or this one in selangor
https://shopee.com.my/product/42656422/1942...79-1666696982.9

OR.... you can consider the Tiger 80.

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I am planning to get a split keyboard for programming? Any recommendation? ergodox-ez seems good but expensive. Thinking to get Sofle V2 Split Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard.
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this 60% gasket-mount kit is on the way, https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=683606704267

it's a 63/64-key layout (64-key means with split-backspace). yd60mq should be compatible with this. hopefully it's good enough.

so far, i have collected generic 60% tray-mount, integrated plate, top-mount, and gasket-mount.
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I am planning to get a split keyboard for programming? Any recommendation? ergodox-ez seems good but expensive. Thinking to get Sofle V2 Split Ergonomic Mechanical Keyboard.
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Check out Keebio. I"m not a programmer but system/network admin. I daily drive a Keebio FoldKB at work. Previously using Keebio Sinc.
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Check out Keebio. I"m not a programmer but system/network admin. I daily drive a Keebio FoldKB at work. Previously using Keebio Sinc.
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Where you buy?
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i compile qmk firmware in linux, because compilations complete relatively faster than in msys2. this is especially time saving when i do mass updates for different boards (pcbs) that i have.

it's very simple. just put qmk compile commands for each pcb in a bash script:
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vi ~/cwd/qmk_all.sh


content of the bash script:
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qmk compile -kb cx60_horns -km bld_via
qmk compile -kb cx60_horns -km bld_via_caps
qmk compile -kb cx60_horns -km bld_lesser_via_caps
qmk compile -kb yd60mq_horns -km bld_via
qmk compile -kb yd60mq_horns -km bld_lesser_via
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then, run it once to make all of them:
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cd ~
source qmk-env/bin/activate (this where i install my python virtual environment; activate it first)
cd qmk/devs/qmk_firmware (this is my local qmk source tree)
bash ~/cwd/qmk_all.sh


edit: the gasket-mount kit from kp.republic has arrived. it's ok for the price imo. the logo is not pretty, but the weight, and anodization work are ok.

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after cherry mx ergo clear, https://www.cherrymx.de/en/cherry-mx/mx-spe...ergo-clear.html another community-favourite linear, nixie, is also re-released, https://www.cherrymx.de/en/cherry-mx/mx-spe...-clear-top.html there are two variants for this cherry mx black clear-top: unlubed and prelubed.


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Cherry’s new mechanical switch hails from ’80s terminal keyboards


Nicknamed Nixies, they're like MX Blacks, but stiffer and, purportedly, smoother.


Cherry, the original mechanical switch maker, is continuing to tap the mechanical keyboard community for new product ideas. Its new mechanical switch, the Cherry MX Black Clear-Top, is a nod to enthusiasts who would love to turn in their modern-day clacker for an old-school terminal keyboard with extra-smooth typing.

’80s roots
Before Cherry's Thursday announcement of plans to release the MX Black Clear-Top, the switch was known to hobbyists as the Nixie switch. Cherry made the switch in the 1980s for German office machine-maker Nixdorf Computer AG. The German switch maker was tasked with creating a version of its linear MX Black switch with "milky" upper housing, a 63.5 g actuation force rather than 60 g, and "the relatively rare solution at the time of having a diode integrated into the switch for n-key rollover," Cherry's announcement explained.

What’s so special about this switch?
But what's so great about typing with this switch? The switch formerly known as Nixie is like an MX Black switch but with a heavier actuation force requirement and a more striking appearance. The linear switches each have 4 mm of travel and 2 mm of pre-travel; however, the MX Black Clear-Top switches require more force to start depressing (40 g versus 30 g for MX Black switches).


Like with many mechanical switches, obsession is based on reportedly admirable smooth travel and what Cherry described as "decent acoustics."

Switch reviewer ThereminGoat, described the Nixie switch as "absolutely" smoother than "most" Cherry switches.

They also said the switch makes a "solid, muted, and deep bottoming out noise; whereas, the topping out noise is ever so slightly thinner and shifted toward a higher pitched sound." Curious ears can check out Chyrosran22's review of the Nixdorf CT06-CT07/2 M Softkeys on YouTube (among others) to hear more.

With a nearly mythical reputation like that, you might wonder why Cherry decided to rebrand the Nixie to a name with much less imagination.

Cherry said it renamed the Nixie switch to reflect "enhancements" it made. The switch looks like it used to, but Cherry will sell it with Krytox GLP 205 Grade 0 Grease inside for "lower-friction actuation with optimized acoustics without negatively affecting the typing feel" or durability claims. This a popular lubricant, especially for linear switches like the MX Black Clear-Top.


This may be a wise investment, as ThereminGoat said the Nixies were "not free from scratch," and not as impressively smooth compared to some of today's switches, which, of course, include much more than Cherry brand options.

For those who prefer a different type of lubrication or to do it themselves, Cherry is also releasing a lube-free version of the MX Black Clear-Top.

Additionally, some (although not Cherry) might say the switch's descriptive name falls more in line with how Cherry's other switches are named (MX Black, MX Red, MX Brown, et cetera).

The new name also hints at the switch's connection to the MX Black.

Overall, Cherry claims the switch improves on the '80s design because it's made with modern manufacturing techniques, enabling a 50 million actuation warranty. It goes without saying that switches harvested from a decades-old keyboard you found at a thrift store or on eBay do not have comparable durability claims.



Cherry said MX Black Clear-Top mechanical switches will be available from "all official distributors worldwide" at the start of 2023.

The switch is the second release from Cherry that was recently inspired by community interests. Last month, it announced the Cherry MX Ergo Clear, based on a so-called Frankenswitch (a mechanical switch that combines parts from different switches) design shared by an enthusiast in a forum post in 2011.


https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/che...inal-keyboards/


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right, the true community-based nixie are old/vintage switches. they are not identical to the new cherry mx black clear-top.

in terms of typing feels, stock and fresh cherry mx switches with nylon housings are always scratchy. it's their 'uniqueness'. their recent hg series is relatively less scratchy, compared to original cherry mx. for both, it's after break-ins, and lubing that this scratchiness is relatively (and significantly) reduced. cherry mx is the main reason why we started breaking in, and lubing switches (and use switch films), to achieve desired smoothness. but then, in terms of typing feels, smoothness alone is not everything. it makes a rich hobby become dull when everyone is making smooth switches. it's just like people finally realized how dull it is when every board in their collection sounds and feels the same, when poron pads are overused.

we already have options that produce smooth key travels for cheap with today's manufacturing process enhancements. if you're looking for such switches, you should check out other manufacturers. i hope cherry don't take away all the scratchiness hehe

edit: about switch break-in, kailh has machines specifically for that purpose already. their dream cream has 600k actuations, https://www.theremingoat.com/blog/novelkeys...m-switch-review


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Hello to all sifu,

I have a keyboard that quite a lot of keys are malfunctioning. Any recommended sifu can help to check & fix?
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Hello to all sifu,

I have a keyboard that quite a lot of keys are malfunctioning. Any recommended sifu can help to check & fix?
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you can try ask this at mymkb fb group, https://www.facebook.com/groups/MalaysiaMechanicalKeyboard

there are builders that might help you with it. there are many things that can cause what you described, and the level of repairs depend on things like diagnosis, and part availability. tbh, if it's beyond economic repair, it's better to just get a new one.
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cherry mx hg red has arrived. like hg black, the level of scratchiness is relatively lesser compared to the original and stock cherry mx.

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note that the hardness of nylon housing for cherry mx and jwick black is similar. compared to the formers, sp-meteor white is relatively softer imo.
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Hi all thinking to get 75% barebones to customise now shortlisted these 4:

Nexttime75
James donkey a3
Feker ik75pro
AKKO 5075S Kit

wireless option is not necessary.

Which 1 is better ya ? Please advise Tq


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poseidon ( https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=683606704267 ) is a plain and simple gasket-mount case-and-plate-only kit.

1. it's the only generic 60% two-piece aluminum case-and-plate-only kit that is available so far;
2. there are a number of layouts provided by different top plates;
3. it's relatively heavy (1kg+); most of its weight is from the bottom piece;
4. .. and it's about 260 myr. it's the price of 90 units of jwk epsilon.

notably, its relatively thick bottom piece results in no case ping, without foam.

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yd60mq is compatible with the supported layouts. note that if you used 5-pin switches with yd60mq, one of the side pins of two key switches (up-arrow, and right shift) must be cut off so that they can fit. 3-pin switches have no such issue.

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Dear Sifus,

I'm aiming for a full sized keyboard for cheap purely for office use (I draft tons of commercial letters and handle numbers too, hence numpad is a must).

My current full sized keyboard at home is a Razer Blackwidow 2010 (the one with the Cherry MX Blue) and I love it (even though it has started to show it's age)

I used to type on a leopold fc660m but the layout felt awkward and now it's sitting on the ps4.

Wondering which is a better buy in terms of reliability and extended typing comfort, my budget less than rm300 and blue switches please and thank you;

1. Keychron C2 (Non-hot-swappable version, Gateron Blue)
2. Royal Kludge RK918 (RK Blue, can't seem to get RK920)

I don't care about wireless, in built software support etc etc. no rgb even better, but beggars can't be choosers sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ak101ss @ Nov 22 2022, 10:01 AM)
Dear Sifus,

I'm aiming for a full sized keyboard for cheap purely for office use (I draft tons of commercial letters and handle numbers too, hence numpad is a must).

My current full sized keyboard at home is a Razer Blackwidow 2010 (the one with the Cherry MX Blue) and I love it (even though it has started to show it's age)

I used to type on a leopold fc660m but the layout felt awkward and now it's sitting on the ps4.

Wondering which is a better buy in terms of reliability and extended typing comfort, my budget less than rm300 and blue switches please and thank you;

1. Keychron C2 (Non-hot-swappable version, Gateron Blue)
2. Royal Kludge RK918 (RK Blue, can't seem to get RK920)

I don't care about wireless, in built software support etc etc. no rgb even better, but beggars can't be choosers sweat.gif
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if you wanted a new mechanical keyboard with soldered clicky switches within budget, i think you should just pick the one that you prefer, especially features, then go for it.

it requires user efforts to achieve 'extended typing comfort'. if you intended to do that, a hotswap board should be more convenient.
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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 22 2022, 01:45 PM)
if you wanted a new mechanical keyboard with soldered clicky switches within budget, i think you should just pick the one that you prefer, especially features, then go for it.

it requires user efforts to achieve 'extended typing comfort'. if you intended to do that, a hotswap board should be more convenient.
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Understood on user effort, I'm not aiming for perfection as it's just for work (can't be too efficient or else sure kena more workload from boss), but regardless, non-hot swappable switches still can be lubed right?
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QUOTE(ak101ss @ Nov 22 2022, 02:16 PM)
Understood on user effort, I'm not aiming for perfection as it's just for work (can't be too efficient or else sure kena more workload from boss), but regardless, non-hot swappable switches still can be lubed right?
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Kinda but not really. You'll have to stick a brush into the sides of the stem while its still mounted on the board. Why would you lube a clicky anyway? It mask all sounds. Maybe just for smoothness. I think lubing a clicky might reduce the clickiness.
Idk. No experience with clickies.
Have you looked for used Leopolds or duckys?
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QUOTE(cjs7875 @ Nov 17 2022, 01:23 PM)
Hi all thinking to get 75% barebones to customise now shortlisted these 4:

Nexttime75
James donkey a3
Feker ik75pro
AKKO 5075S Kit

wireless option is not necessary.

Which 1 is better ya ? Please advise Tq
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I have a Feker ik75 (non pro). Its fine. No gasket flex.
Off your list, going by brand, I'd pick akko. But the donkey looks interesting too.
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QUOTE(krayden @ Nov 22 2022, 02:30 PM)
Kinda but not really. You'll have to stick a brush into the sides of the stem while its still mounted on the board. Why would you lube a clicky anyway? It mask all sounds. Maybe just for smoothness. I think lubing a clicky might reduce the clickiness.
Idk. No experience with clickies.
Have you looked for used Leopolds or duckys?
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Got it. Searched for 2nd hand in our garage sales, all moving like hot stocks, whatever left exceeds my budget. Hence me deciding on Keychron or RK.
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QUOTE(ak101ss @ Nov 22 2022, 02:16 PM)
Understood on user effort, I'm not aiming for perfection as it's just for work (can't be too efficient or else sure kena more workload from boss), but regardless, non-hot swappable switches still can be lubed right?
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there are people who lube their soldered switches without desoldering. don't do that. the problem with such methods is uncontrolled application of lube, that will lead to undesired side effects.

switch lubing is a practice to apply a controlled amount of lubricants at the right locations of a switch to achieve switch smoothness, to reduce spring ping, and modify sound and feel of a switch.

for clicky and tactile switches, it's better to open the switch up, then apply lube the proper way. this is to control the lube application, hence minimize side effects of lube on clicky and tactile switches (like reduced sound/tactile bumps)


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QUOTE(horns @ Nov 22 2022, 03:36 PM)
there are people who lube their soldered switches without desoldering. don't do that. the problem with such methods is uncontrolled application of lube, that will lead to undesired side effects.

switch lubing is a practice to apply a controlled amount of lubricants at the right locations of a switch to achieve switch smoothness, to reduce spring ping, and modify sound and feel of a switch.

for clicky and tactile switches, it's better to open the switch up, then apply lube the proper way. this is to control the lube application, hence minimize side effects of lube on clicky and tactile switches (like reduced sound/tactile bumps)
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Thanks much for the in depth info, appreciate it.
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Hello Keyboard Sifus.

Have a question:
Has anyone bought keyboards, switches, caps from Massdrop before?
Wondering if there'll be tax because considering getting it together with friends to save on shipping.
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Wondering if there'll be tax because considering getting it together with friends to save on shipping.
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Yes. About 10% tax.
Gtab it during black friday sales.
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Yes. About 10% tax.
Gtab it during black friday sales.
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Yep planning to grab it during Black Friday. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(ak101ss @ Nov 22 2022, 10:01 AM)
Dear Sifus,

I'm aiming for a full sized keyboard for cheap purely for office use (I draft tons of commercial letters and handle numbers too, hence numpad is a must).

My current full sized keyboard at home is a Razer Blackwidow 2010 (the one with the Cherry MX Blue) and I love it (even though it has started to show it's age)

I used to type on a leopold fc660m but the layout felt awkward and now it's sitting on the ps4.

Wondering which is a better buy in terms of reliability and extended typing comfort, my budget less than rm300 and blue switches please and thank you;

1. Keychron C2 (Non-hot-swappable version, Gateron Blue)
2. Royal Kludge RK918 (RK Blue, can't seem to get RK920)

I don't care about wireless, in built software support etc etc. no rgb even better, but beggars can't be choosers sweat.gif
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https://shopee.com.my/New-Arrival%EF%BC%81R...ec-e85daa9dea6c Get this one. Bought for my wife. She loves it.
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Lego keyboard anyone???

MelGeek

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Lego keyboard anyone???
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i will skip this one. melgeek's works are ok. he's one of the few in cn that makes stuff with relatively better qualities.

however i mainly prefer kits with metal cases. i have collected their 60/65/75 kits so far. i hope they continue to make more good stuff.
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qmk is at 0.19, and there are breaking changes. this time there is an overhaul of keycodes.

after doing git pull, you must run once of qmk setup to get new submodules. then, check your keymaps that need to be fixed, or all compiles will fail.

edit: currently, via wise:
- star75's via screen is broken by the latest qmk changes. everything in qmk is fine. hence it's not really a problem to me. just revert to 0.18.x if you need to use via for now;
- cx60 and yd60mq are fine, except for certain keycodes, e.g., MO(n).


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kailh cream dream is on the way. i always wonder what 600k of key strokes can do to the a pom-based linear switch hehe

we mainly do break-ins to stock cherry mx (with nylon housing), to get rid of their natural scratchiness. it's an additional step to make cherry mx relatively smoother, compared to stock. all mx style switches will get smoother when we use them more, because of natural wear-and-tear (which take a long time) break-ins at factory speed things up to achieve the same.

the same practice was later extended to other switches, for the same purpose. however, for newer switches, the outcomes are getting less obvious, because things like polishing of rails/sliders can be done at factory, to improve smoothness. (and also prelubing. tbh, prelubed switches are supposed to be cleaned up, with factory grease removed from housings and sliders, before doing break-ins)

well, let's see how it goes. i hope kailh will use this to their other linear switches haha

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I've been taking the lazy route lately.
Stock oil kings. Very happy with those.
Yesterday tried stock tecsee carrots. Gonna order some more.
I think smoothness really doesn't bother me and i cant hear it over the thock. As long as there's no spring ping. So im fine, but thats me.
As per usual, mod to your own liking.
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QUOTE(krayden @ Dec 2 2022, 01:38 PM)
I've been taking the lazy route lately.
Stock oil kings. Very happy with those.
Yesterday tried stock tecsee carrots. Gonna order some more.
I think smoothness really doesn't bother me and i cant hear it over the thock. As long as there's no spring ping. So im fine, but thats me.
As per usual, mod to your own liking.
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yes, oil king is ok.

right, smoothness is not supposed to be the main thing to consider. basically it can be remedied by lubing alone, so it's not really a 'feature' in the first place.
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due to laziness, i'm still in the process of fixing qmk codes for all my boards. there are ways to do this quickly, but this time i just use each board to fix their own qmk firmware, then apply the updates hehe

honestly, for average users, there is no need to chase after qmk changes. while there are significant changes in the background, and new features are added from time to time, chances are that you need neither of them to use your boards properly.

however, if you're into making your qmk-powered boards more personalized, with bells and whistles that you can think of, and convenience brought by qmk, it's good that you learn it. as long as you have a pcb with working source code in the official qmk repository, you just need to get the qmk environment ready to get started.

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Another new comer

Oneplus Keyboard
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Haha oneplus also trying luck.
I'd be more hyped for the Moondrop one though. At least the dacamp will be useful.
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Another new comer

Oneplus Keyboard
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hopefully they aim for this kind of modular mechanical keyboard, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGShD9ZER1c

there are neat features in that piece of work. (opensource some more)
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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 6 2022, 12:36 PM)
hopefully they aim for this kind of modular mechanical keyboard, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGShD9ZER1c

there are neat features in that piece of work. (opensource some more)
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see how later ... oneplus will be just another hype to their dying line of product ... from article co produce or rather oem keychron sweat.gif
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see how later ... oneplus will be just another hype to their dying line of product ... from article co produce or rather oem keychron  sweat.gif
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yeah. there are plenty of potential spin-offs that can be made around a mobile device, but they somehow picked mkb, which is a puny niche market segment in reality.

hopefully everything goes well for them.

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people might tell you that key caps with thick walls (1.5mm or more), regardless of material that they are made of, are better, because they provide better typing feels.

this is not always the case. with the right combination of parts in a mkb, thinner keycaps actually help improve typing feels, compared to thick ones. it's better to experiment with different key caps (thickness, profile, etc.) on a build first, before deciding anything. you might be surprised.

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QUOTE(toiletwater @ Nov 26 2022, 08:22 AM)
https://shopee.com.my/New-Arrival%EF%BC%81R...ec-e85daa9dea6c Get this one. Bought for my wife. She loves it.
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Ended up buying a mistel x-iii glaze blue with cherry blue switches for rm229. Thanks for the suggestion anyways.

Anyways, a rubber feet seems to be missing on the keyboard, any suggestions to fix it? It's the thick semicircle/curved type.

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Ended up buying a mistel x-iii glaze blue with cherry blue switches for rm229. Thanks for the suggestion anyways.

Anyways, a rubber feet seems to be missing on the keyboard, any suggestions to fix it? It's the thick semicircle/curved type.
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you should contact the seller to send you a replacement first.
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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 7 2022, 09:39 AM)
you should contact the seller to send you a replacement first.
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They're going to ask me to send it back, which I don't wanna because I know if I send it back I'm never going to get it back as somehow cherry MX blue switches at this price is a rare deal.
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QUOTE(ak101ss @ Dec 7 2022, 10:18 AM)
They're going to ask me to send it back, which I don't wanna because I know if I send it back I'm never going to get it back as somehow cherry MX blue switches at this price is a rare deal.
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ok since you have talked to the seller and already asked for possible options like sending you original rubber feet, or replacement of the model with the same switch, you can try luck at places like shopee, lazada, aliexpress, taobao, etc. to look for replacement rubber feet.

normally for prebuilts, it's better to exercise rma, because that's the manufacturer's warranty to clear defects of their products for their clients in retail market.
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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 7 2022, 10:50 AM)
ok since you have talked to the seller and already asked for possible options like sending you original rubber feet, or replacement of the model with the same switch, you can try luck at places like shopee, lazada, aliexpress, taobao, etc. to look for replacement rubber feet.

normally for prebuilts, it's better to exercise rma, because that's the manufacturer's warranty to clear defects of their products for their clients in retail market.
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Yeah, talked to the seller to see if they can send a replacement rubber feet. They're still cracking their heads on it. Very mafan le to RMA just for a rubber feet.

I tried searching around for the exact replacement rubber feets, but to no avail because they're a custom shape (elongated half cylinder???) and I don't know how to even call it. Unless I get some other rubber feet, remove the existing lone one and replace them.

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QUOTE(ak101ss @ Dec 7 2022, 12:28 PM)
Yeah, talked to the seller to see if they can send a replacement rubber feet. They're still cracking their heads on it. Very mafan le to RMA just for a rubber feet.

I tried searching around for the exact replacement rubber feets, but to no avail because they're a custom shape (elongated half cylinder???) and I don't know how to even call it. Unless I get some other rubber feet, remove the existing lone one and replace them.

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i know. that's also why for most people, it's better to get prebuilts while the models are still fresh in the market, when sellers have more replacement stocks. buyers should also give the seller a chance to inspect the unit before sending it to them.

yes, in your case, i believe you have better luck by getting non-original rubber feet in the market.

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kailh dream cream is fine. sound wise it's relatively loud imo.

if stem wobbles is a thing to you: the report about noticeable stem wobbles in stock kailh dream cream is indeed correct. it has relatively less leathery-like feel compared to stock kailh cream, but i'm not sure if it's because of the 600k key strokes at factory, or room for free play that lead to stem wobbles.

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My Sonnet. Final form.
FR4 plate, stock Tecsee Carrots, Tx stabs just xhtbdz, DMK mods, PBTFans alphas

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FR4 plate, stock Tecsee Carrots, Tx stabs just xhtbdz, DMK mods, PBTFans alphas

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i'm glad that you're ok with pbtfans' thinner legends for alphas. to me they are all ok, however most people like thicker ones
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i'm glad that you're ok with pbtfans' thinner legends for alphas. to me they are all ok, however most people like thicker ones
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I guess i prefer thinner legends. The dmk alphas were so thick it fells cheap to me. Thats why i went for this. And also the pbt which hopefully doesn't shine as quickly as abs. I really cannot gmk anymore.
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QUOTE(krayden @ Dec 10 2022, 01:42 PM)
I guess i prefer thinner legends. The dmk alphas were so thick it fells cheap to me. Thats why i went for this. And also the pbt which hopefully doesn't shine as quickly as abs. I really cannot gmk anymore.
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right, it's individual preferences down to the letters hehe

regular cleanups might help reduce the chance of shining effects on abs caps.

i'm ok with shiny key caps. i realized that what i actually don't like are faded legends, so i stick to dye-sub and multi-shot. also, i rotate boards a lot. it's just my weird typing habit haha

edit:

kailh dream cream is definitely better after lubed. all vibrations that i feel during typing are gone for good. i might not need to use switch films this time, as there is no switch top wobbles.

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Linux-ready Launch Heavy is a $300 mechanical keyboard for number crunchers

System76's $300 Launch Heavy has open source hardware and software, plus a USB hub.

Prebuilt mechanical keyboards often neglect Linux support. Users frequently report success in getting a mechanical keyboard's basic functions to work, but many of these peripherals don't accommodate software for controlling advanced features, like macros, with Linux. Since last year, System76's Launch keyboard has been trying to address that problem. But number crunchers will be much more interested in the new Launch Heavy.

Released this week, the Launch Heavy is a numpad-equipped version of the 84-key Launch. As detailed in our System76 Launch review, the keyboard is one of the most customizable Linux-focused mechanical keyboards one can find. However, an absent numpad made the Launch an immediate 'no' for many. Now, the newly released Launch Heavy is addressing many, but not all, of its smaller counterpart's shortcomings.


As you can see, the Launch Heavy's 105 keys aren't a traditional layout. System76 had its way with the keys to the left of the numpad, getting rid of some completely. But compared to the Launch, the Launch Heavy adds keys above the numpad for media control. Unfortunately, there are still no buttons for controlling the volume out of the box.

System76 was gracious enough to update the mechanical switches offered with its keyboards since we reviewed the Launch in March. In addition to the supremely stiff clicky Kailh Box Jades and tactile Box Royals (each require 75 grams of force to actuate), you can get the Launch Heavy and the rest of the lineup with quieter, tactile Kailh Box Silent Browns (50 g) or lighter, linear Silent Pinks (35 g).

You don't have to stick with any of those, though, since the keyboard's switches are easily removable sans soldering iron. But for $300, you'll probably want to start off with switches you're happy to use right away.

Oh, did we forget to mention the Launch Heavy's price? It's only $14 more than the smaller Launch but still a massive ask for a keyboard. Many will prefer one of the best wireless mechanical keyboards, something with volume keys, or building their own mechanical keyboard for that price range instead.

Still, the Launch Heavy (2.8 lbs, to be exact) has some standout features for those willing to spend the money.

System76's Launch mechanical keyboards, which also include the 70-key Launch Lite, represent some of the few mechanical keyboards that claim Linux support (they work with Windows and macOS, too). The vendor pushes its Pop!_OS Linux distribution by having the Launch Heavy support keyboard shortcuts within it, such as organizing tiled windows without a mouse or opening apps.

The Launch series is also an admirably tinker-friendly one, from its open source, QMK-based software for programming its keys and open source chassis and PCB to the hot-swappable switches, which include two for the split spacebar. Perhaps the series' handiest feature is the hub on the top of the keyboard's edge with four increasingly omitted USB-A ports.

While the Launch Heavy's price is still overwhelming, there's enough here for it to be a unique consideration for number crunchers, especially Linux users, seeking a customizable mechanical keyboard.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/one...-gets-a-numpad/

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 11 2022, 11:30 AM)
the layout might be interesting to some, but the marketing is so weird.

i know they wanted to emphasize on a prebuilt with support of features that are not available in linux previously, but to me it's like telling people those features are not that important in real life. what do they think we use as input device to interact with linux all these years?

also, i'm curious, but why do they do this?
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Doing it for the sake of being "special"?
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maybe it's really a design decision. all the models have the same thing, https://system76.com/accessories/launch

tbh the good thing about this project is that the designer is generous enough to share the source files. hence you can use them to make custom parts for the boards. i really hope this kind of sharing can become a trend, i.e., source files of common parts, like plate, are released for their users to make custom parts.
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i think a lot of people are not aware of this, but the nkro feature in qmk is not turned on by default to prevent potential issues, even if it's enabled in config.h. (the standard report is 6-key rollover) another define, i.e., #define FORCE_NKRO, must be present to make it turned on automatically.

a better way is to map a key to NK_TOGG, so that you can turn the feature on and off, if you have a nkro-enabled board.


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For better or for worse, I believe the hype of this whole hobby is on a downtrend.

A GMK set that was so hot a few years ago, Striker:
https://en.zfrontier.com/collections/invent...=44107364041019

Extras still available 12 days after they were released. This would have been unheard of last year.
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Dec 20 2022, 11:32 AM)
For better or for worse, I believe the hype of this whole hobby is on a downtrend.

A GMK set that was so hot a few years ago, Striker:
https://en.zfrontier.com/collections/invent...=44107364041019

Extras still available 12 days after they were released. This would have been unheard of last year.
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right, it's very quiet everywhere. you don't need to pay attention to observe that some of those who used to create hypes have stopped for quite a while now, while some have diversified into non-mkb-related merch, etc.

there are ups and downs in everything, and this is not only happening to this hobby.

it's a hobby anyway. i just continue to syok sendiri. i have resumed my routines to collect parts also, but tbh, not many interesting new stuff for me these days.

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people especially nerds had too much money due to the covid lockdown. Now people losing jobs,cost living rising, and the first thing people will do is not buy overpriced plastics!
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Goodlah, hopefully prices come down. I just picked up a Candybar southpaw for usd179. Shipping is crazy though.
They also had a portico75 for usd79.
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people especially nerds had too much money due to the covid lockdown. Now people losing jobs,cost living rising, and the first thing people will do is not buy overpriced plastics!
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they probably still have a lot to spend, but they understand what priority means.

next year is more challenging by the way smile.gif

QUOTE(krayden @ Dec 20 2022, 03:38 PM)
Goodlah, hopefully prices come down. I just picked up a Candybar southpaw for usd179. Shipping is crazy though.
They also had a portico75 for usd79.
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it's nice that you got what you want haha i hope those who like tkc kits will grab something from them also biggrin.gif
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.. wtf

https://www.pcmag.com/news/finalmouses-keyb...y-will-cost-349
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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 22 2022, 12:08 AM)
I saw that news as well and was thinking, really curious to feel how to use a KB that has a display underneath it.
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I saw that news as well and was thinking, really curious to feel how to use a KB that has a display underneath it.
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it's for hypes. i wanna get hyped too, but not with this.
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no idea what is this hahaha
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Casing very pretty though. Will prolly be flipped for 1000 like their mice.
Where do I throw my money?
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no idea what is this hahaha
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overly engineered, with nothing useful. on top of that, they introduce risks like failures of display/cpu/gpu, and replacement options after that.

obviously the makers are not from mkb community. if they are, the board will not come out.

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Casing very pretty though. Will prolly be flipped for 1000 like their mice.
Where do I throw my money?
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that's the only thing that i can think of, a collectible item.

it's another typical example of smart people realizing dumb ideas.
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BTW, you can get Moondrops DAC/Amp KB on Drop.com if anyone is interested.
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Guys thinking to get my first mkb..
I know I need a full size with number pad.
Wireless if possible as I don't like wire..
Do these mkb reliable? My current wireless keyboard used over 10 years still good condition but not mkb..

What price can I expect or brand with below requirement
Option 1
Wireless full size with number pad (brown switch if possible, worry too disturbing to other for the sound )
No RGB (I see like all selling rgb)
Not sure if hot swap price different alot?

Option 2
Same as option one but with RGB. (how long these rgb can turn on before we charge it)

Option 3
Same as option 2 but Wired RGB

I tried to search found a few my liking but don't have number pad.. Susah la I mao kerja excel press numberpad and arrow button... Haha

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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Dec 24 2022, 01:24 AM)
Guys thinking to get my first mkb..
I know I need a full size with number pad.
Wireless if possible as I don't like wire..
Do these mkb reliable? My current wireless keyboard used over 10 years still good condition but not mkb..

What price can I expect or brand with below requirement
Option 1
Wireless full size with number pad (brown switch if possible, worry too disturbing to other for the sound )
No RGB (I see like all selling rgb)
Not sure if hot swap price different alot?

Option 2
Same as option one but with RGB. (how long these rgb can turn on before we charge it)

Option 3
Same as option 2 but Wired RGB

I tried to search found a few my liking but don't have number pad.. Susah la I mao kerja excel press numberpad and arrow button... Haha
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can try iqunix f97, its a 96% keyboard, got tons of option

if u getting, buy from their taobao store dont get from their ENG website because cheaper

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QUOTE(KcX35 @ Dec 25 2022, 01:57 PM)
can try iqunix f97, its a 96% keyboard, got tons of option

if u getting, buy from their taobao store dont get from their ENG website because cheaper
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Around how much? Can you share me the link?
Or how they call mechanical keyboard in Chinese? I need the keyword.. Can't really read Chinese maybe I ask my friend to help me out..

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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Dec 25 2022, 02:05 PM)
Around how much? Can you share me the link?
Or how they call mechanical keyboard in Chinese? I need the keyword.. Can't really read Chinese maybe I ask my friend to help me out..
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Here: https://world.taobao.com/dianpu/202287946.h....27aa7661i1UxSV

price range around RM 500-1k depending on model and specs
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QUOTE(KcX35 @ Dec 25 2022, 02:45 PM)
Here: https://world.taobao.com/dianpu/202287946.h....27aa7661i1UxSV

price range around RM 500-1k depending on model and specs
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hmmm let me check and see if i have alternative. I thought i able to get one around price of 1xx - 2xx (depend if i wanted wireless or wired).
I saw some Armageddon cost around 1xx which quite comfort. I don't want buy so expensive one and regret later cause i just want to try and see if i like it or not.
I probably want brown switch as i think blue will have noisy sound biggrin.gif
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hmmm let me check and see if i have alternative. I thought i able to get one around price of 1xx - 2xx (depend if i wanted wireless or wired).
I saw some Armageddon cost around 1xx which quite comfort. I don't want buy so expensive one and regret later cause i just want to try and see if i like it or not.
I probably want brown switch as i think blue will have noisy sound biggrin.gif
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RK860 is rm217 at Lazada.

Some modding will be required to optimize it. But I think the start up cost is more up your alley.
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Guys thinking to get my first mkb..
I know I need a full size with number pad.
Wireless if possible as I don't like wire..
Do these mkb reliable? My current wireless keyboard used over 10 years still good condition but not mkb..

What price can I expect or brand with below requirement
Option 1
Wireless full size with number pad (brown switch if possible, worry too disturbing to other for the sound )
No RGB (I see like all selling rgb)
Not sure if hot swap price different alot?

Option 2
Same as option one but with RGB. (how long these rgb can turn on before we charge it)

Option 3
Same as option 2 but Wired RGB

I tried to search found a few my liking but don't have number pad.. Susah la I mao kerja excel press numberpad and arrow button... Haha
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you may try with this model, its have 3 mode for you to use it and with RGb as well
also is a hot swappable keyboard...
https://shopee.com.my/-Hot-Swappable-Royal-...775.14785033056
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just realized the 0 key on this kbd75v3 didn't register properly sometimes; joints looked ok to me; fixed by touching the joints with a hot iron for a second or two to let solder reflows.

i never use 75 extensively. they are there in case i really need to use a lot of f-rows.
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RK860 is rm217 at Lazada.

Some modding will be required to optimize it. But I think the start up cost is more up your alley.
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https://shopee.com.my/-Hot-Swappable-Royal-...from_login=true
This one? what mean start up cost is more up my alley?

What type of modding? seems quite good and over 3000Mah, not sure how long will these rgb last ..
its seems cheapest full size?

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https://shopee.com.my/-Hot-Swappable-Royal-...from_login=true
This one? what mean start up cost is more up my alley?

What type of modding? seems quite good and over 3000Mah, not sure how long will these rgb last ..
its seems cheapest full size?
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Yup thats the one.
I mean it fits your budget.

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Much too late...I finally found someone selling 1.5mm thick POM sheets.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10050048880...38daHBEHmp&mp=1

I'm trying to stick with my current board and declare endgame...but I think I'll buy a few of these just in case... innocent.gif
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Dec 30 2022, 10:38 AM)
Much too late...I finally found someone selling 1.5mm thick POM sheets.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10050048880...38daHBEHmp&mp=1

I'm trying to stick with my current board and declare endgame...but I think I'll buy a few of these just in case... innocent.gif
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nice smile.gif

in my case, given a particular combination of parts to make a complete board that i want, with no more room to improve, i will call it an endgame.

this makes more sense to me, because different combos have own uniquenesses, and i will never stick to one board.

my current preferred board is a tray-mount, with mixed switches, pom plate, minimal foam, zt60 case, epbt double-shot abs keycaps, plate-mount stabilizers, using partial friction mounting with silicon gasket o-rings. (basically it's the complete board with 64-key 60% in my signature) to me, that's the closest to my preferences, in terms of typing feel. it's relatively louder than my expectations, but it's fine.

edit: i know i use parts that might look less optimal. for instance, keycaps, because i don't pick options like gmk/jtk/epbt that have thicker walls. the thing is, i have done tests with them, and epbt double-shot abs produces relatively better typing feels with the combo imo, compared to others.

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for those who like keyboard sound, this video by keybored is a good reference.

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there are things explained in in terms of science, like this one.
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nk dream cream, from novelkeys's cream series, is also known as kailh dream cream. (review by theremingoat) it's a full-pom-based mx style linear switch.

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for this build i use poron plate foam, but do not use switch films and ixpe switch pads/sheets. (usually i use all three, to make a build sound relatively quieter)

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I replaced my 6 year old Corsair K65 with a Keychron V1 recently while done some researching over the holidays.

Gotta say this hobby is fun and rewarding, also seems not too costly nowadays. Kind of relaxing to mod boards while listen to youtube/podcast.

Was at MKB store the other day (not opening) and the store was packed!
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QUOTE(quarantined @ Jan 3 2023, 06:02 PM)
I replaced my 6 year old Corsair K65 with a Keychron V1 recently while done some researching over the holidays.

Gotta say this hobby is fun and rewarding, also seems not too costly nowadays. Kind of relaxing to mod boards while listen to youtube/podcast.

Was at MKB store the other day (not opening) and the store was packed!
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technically, it depends on what you're after. but yes, things have changed since few years ago, after built-in switch hotswapping was introduced in the market.

with commercial parties offerring prebuilts/barebone units that are more convenient for modifications to users, and help bring down costs through mass production, it's not really costly today.





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QUOTE(quarantined @ Jan 3 2023, 06:02 PM)
I replaced my 6 year old Corsair K65 with a Keychron V1 recently while done some researching over the holidays.

Gotta say this hobby is fun and rewarding, also seems not too costly nowadays. Kind of relaxing to mod boards while listen to youtube/podcast.

Was at MKB store the other day (not opening) and the store was packed!
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Did they have good clones keycaps there? Thinking of dropping by next week to get some clones for my next board. Saving a few hundreds for a small difference is a no brainer to me
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 3 2023, 09:02 PM)
technically, it depends on what you're after. but yes, things have changed since few years ago, after built-in switch hotswapping was introduced in the market.

with commercial parties offerring prebuilts/barebone units that are more convenient for modifications to users, and help bring down costs through mass production, it's not really costly today.
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yeah, gotta say soldering on pcbs scares me. the old corsair wasnt cheap too but i have had enough of those cherry reds. Now its so liberating to change switches whenever i want it.


QUOTE(realityyffr @ Jan 3 2023, 11:19 PM)
Did they have good clones keycaps there? Thinking of dropping by next week to get some clones for my next board. Saving a few hundreds for a small difference is a no brainer to me
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haha youre asking the wrong person, i dont know how to judge (guess more reading then...). but i think most of the stuff there is available in their shopee page.

What keycap profiles you guys used? Really like the look of SAs but dont think I can get used to it.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 3 2023, 01:17 PM)
nk dream cream, from novelkeys's cream series, is also known as kailh dream cream. (review by theremingoat) it's a full-pom-based mx style linear switch.

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for this build i use poron plate foam, but do not use switch films and ixpe switch pads/sheets. (usually i use all three, to make a build sound relatively quieter)
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Omg so tempting. I've always loved the sound of creams, but never bought them because I "knew" that I was a tactile guy. Now that I'm daily driving Boba LT, this means that creams are a viable option. moneyflies.gif moneyflies.gif moneyflies.gif
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QUOTE(quarantined @ Jan 4 2023, 10:02 AM)
yeah, gotta say soldering on pcbs scares me. the old corsair wasnt cheap too but i have had enough of those cherry reds. Now its so liberating to change switches whenever i want it.

..

What keycap profiles you guys used? Really like the look of SAs but dont think I can get used to it.
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yes, figured. it's fine, at least now you can enjoy like the rest of us haha

soldering and desoldering were often desribed as 'difficult'. initially i was also stopped by horror stories told by many. as it turned out, athough those stories were real, they were not complete. if you observed these incidents closely, you will find out the real truths (e.g., rookie mistakes; user inexperience with tools on hand; inexperienced user + bad tools; user comments based on frustrations, instead of finding out what actually went wrong; so on and so forth).

the original idea of this hobby is always about tuning what you have, or build your own, so that you can have long-lasting comforts and good typing experience. back in those days, most people started with the first option, tuning what they have. they screwed up during desoldering, and then quitted. however if they tried the second option, i.e., build they own, they would find out, with the right tools, soldering and desoldering are the simplest of all steps in a build process. (tedious, but still simple)

the above have been brought up and reminded by experienced users before. however everyone else was busy chasing hypes.
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QUOTE(quarantined @ Jan 3 2023, 06:02 PM)
I replaced my 6 year old Corsair K65 with a Keychron V1 recently while done some researching over the holidays.

Gotta say this hobby is fun and rewarding, also seems not too costly nowadays. Kind of relaxing to mod boards while listen to youtube/podcast.

Was at MKB store the other day (not opening) and the store was packed!
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Well most of them pick up the expensive hobby most likely during MCO ... like i did hahaha whistling.gif sweat.gif
but anyway it is nice to have this hobby and experiment with all sort of things


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QUOTE(niakulah @ Jan 4 2023, 11:35 AM)
Omg so tempting. I've always loved the sound of creams, but never bought them because I "knew" that I was a tactile guy. Now that I'm daily driving Boba LT, this means that creams are a viable option.  moneyflies.gif moneyflies.gif moneyflies.gif
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yeah it's relatively loud, so i let it scream a little lol

i'm fine with mx style tactile and clicky switches also. i just prefer linear more. topre is the only tactile switch that is not my cup of tea, because of my light touch typing habits.
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Yeah in the shop I did try out all sort of switches, they have plenty of them on 2 big test boards, from linears to clickies all labelled.

End up getting the Leobog Icesoul, don't find much info but i really like them. Primarily gaming but typing now is more accurate compared to when using linears.

Forgot to ask, any recommendation for keycaps with good shine though dark environment? Prefer not fully transparent ones.

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any recommendation for quietest mechanical keyboard? preferbly logitech.

as quiet as one can find using membrane if at all possible, can't stand those clickity sounds
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QUOTE(quarantined @ Jan 3 2023, 06:02 PM)
I replaced my 6 year old Corsair K65 with a Keychron V1 recently while done some researching over the holidays.

Gotta say this hobby is fun and rewarding, also seems not too costly nowadays. Kind of relaxing to mod boards while listen to youtube/podcast.

Was at MKB store the other day (not opening) and the store was packed!
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Where is the shop?
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Where is the shop?
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Just beside Pelita
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maybe i can singgah this friday since im going there hahaha
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Hello guys, need some help.

I saw my colleague using Keychron K6 and I'm starting to fall in love. And I plan to get one. However, Keychron has way so many model, ( Q, K, C) and range with various number 1,2,3, etc .

So its a bit hard for me as well as take a really long time to research each and everyone of them. I am fine with/without keypad. And as long the item is best buck. I am fine. Kindly suggest any good model for me to make some comparison.

Or if there is any better keyboard other than Keychron, feel free to share with me. Thanks!
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Jan 5 2023, 11:46 AM)
Hello guys, need some help.

I saw my colleague using Keychron K6 and I'm starting to fall in love. And I plan to get one. However, Keychron has way so many model, ( Q, K, C) and range with various number 1,2,3, etc .

So its a bit hard for me as well as take a really long time to research each and everyone of them. I am fine with/without keypad. And as long the item is best buck. I am fine. Kindly suggest any good model for me to make some comparison.

Or if there is any better keyboard other than Keychron, feel free to share with me. Thanks!
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You do need to specify your budget for some recommendation
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Jan 5 2023, 11:46 AM)
Hello guys, need some help.

I saw my colleague using Keychron K6 and I'm starting to fall in love. And I plan to get one. However, Keychron has way so many model, ( Q, K, C) and range with various number 1,2,3, etc .

So its a bit hard for me as well as take a really long time to research each and everyone of them. I am fine with/without keypad. And as long the item is best buck. I am fine. Kindly suggest any good model for me to make some comparison.

Or if there is any better keyboard other than Keychron, feel free to share with me. Thanks!
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.. er you're like telling us, 'i saw my friend having a new girl friend. i would like to have one also, but i am lazy to pick one, because all are so pretty; well, i don't need her to have big boobs, but as long as she is cheap, i'm on.'

seriously, we all have different taste. i will suggest a black q2 bare bone, without knob, because i'm ok with the form factor, layout, and i don't use knob.

edit: by the way, keychron covers form factors from 40% to full-size. it's a good place for beginners to start own research.


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What keycap profiles you guys used? Really like the look of SAs but dont think I can get used to it.
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I use cherry and kat, but cherry is my fav.
You can try kat or mt3 if you think sa is too high.
If you wanna try sa, i have a few sets i can lend you.
Not great sa sets mind you, but at least you can try to see if you can tolerate the height.
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You do need to specify your budget for some recommendation
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Alright. Let me put a base here, RM500 ~ RM700. of course if cheaper with good quality is fine as well. But i have this budget.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 5 2023, 01:05 PM)
.. er you're like telling us, 'i saw my friend having a new girl friend. i would like to have one also, but i am lazy to pick one, because all are so pretty; well, i don't need her to have big boobs, but as long as she is cheap, i'm on.'

seriously, we all have different taste. i will suggest a black q2 bare bone, without knob, because i'm ok with the form factor, layout, and i don't use knob.

edit: by the way, keychron covers form factors from 40% to full-size. it's a good place for beginners to start own research.
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Haha, sorry my bad. Cause the last time I bought mechanical keyboard is corsair K series cherry mx red. So my knowledge is like until red, blue, brown. Sorry if I offend you.

For me I also will not use the knob as well. I can do some researches my end. It just that I have to research from K1 till K14 and then C1, etc. So if there is good recommendation for your expertise, I would very welcome. If not, then I will just continue to slowly research all these keyboards or asking via other portal. Thanks!


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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Jan 5 2023, 02:26 PM)
Haha, sorry my bad. Cause the last time I bought mechanical keyboard is corsair K series cherry mx red. So my knowledge is like until red, blue, brown. Sorry if I offend you.

For me I also will not use the knob as well. I can do some researches my end. It just that I have to research from K1 till K14 and then C1, etc. So if there is good recommendation for your expertise, I would very welcome. If not, then I will just continue to slowly research all these keyboards or asking via other portal. Thanks!
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aiyo don't apologize. it's just a dumb joke. i'm glad that you can take it smile.gif

it's just that the more hints that you can give to us, those who know can give you better options, e.g., budget, form factor, layout, switch hotswapping support, qmk firmware support, case type (plastic, metal), detachable or fixed cable, wired/wireless, with foam or not, fully-built or barebone, etc.

edit: i know the list is lengthy, but those are basic options that you can get at keychron at least, depending on availability.

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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 5 2023, 02:57 PM)
aiyo don't apologize. it's just a dumb joke. i'm glad that you can take it smile.gif

it's just that the more hints that you can give to us, those who know can give you better options, e.g., budget, form factor, layout, switch hotswapping support, qmk firmware support, case type (plastic, metal), detachable or fixed cable, wired/wireless, with foam or not, fully-built or barebone, etc.

edit: i know the list is lengthy, but those are basic options that you can get at keychron at least, depending on availability.
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budget, form factor, layout, switch hotswapping support, qmk firmware support, case type (plastic, metal), detachable or fixed cable, wired/wireless, with foam or not, fully-built or barebone, etc.

I can only give you those that I know, cause i can be honest with you, almost half of the thing you listed here, I have no clue at all haha.

budget: RM500 - RM700 ( can top up more if needed)
case type: plastic and metal are fine for me, I'm not going to bring keyboard anywhere. so weight is not an issue.
detachable or fixed cable, wired/wireless: I think its together i believe. I prefer having both wired/wireless feature, if there is such option, for cable I think usb type-C port is my prefer choice.

other than that, I am not really sure for now haha. But one thing for sure, I prefer gateron red. biggrin.gif

And one more thing, i know there is one without keypad, another one with keypad. Actually I'm fine without keypad as well. Though I have been using keyboard with keypad. But I welcome to have a change if keyboard is good yo.

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basically
K odd is low profile
K even is normal profile
K pro has alu top
Q is full alu
V is full plastic with qmk/via
Dunno what s and c is

Figure out your layout from 12% to 100%. Then choose from keychron official website. Then pick whatever cheapest in shopee lazada or physical shop.

Qmk/via is an easy software to remap keys and add macros.
Some shops like mecha or mykb will have the actual kb for you to touch.
Note: q and v barebones you have to get your own switches and keycaps. Which is preferable especially since keychron keycaps suck.
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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Jan 5 2023, 03:11 PM)
budget, form factor, layout, switch hotswapping support, qmk firmware support, case type (plastic, metal), detachable or fixed cable, wired/wireless, with foam or not, fully-built or barebone, etc.

I can only give you those that I know, cause i can be honest with you, almost half of the thing you listed here, I have no clue at all haha.

budget: RM500 - RM700 ( can top up more if needed)
case type: plastic and metal are fine for me, I'm not going to bring keyboard anywhere. so weight is not an issue.
detachable or fixed cable, wired/wireless: I think its together i believe. I prefer having both wired/wireless feature, if there is such option, for cable I think usb type-C port is my prefer choice.

other than that, I am not really sure for now haha. But one thing for sure, I prefer gateron red.  biggrin.gif

And one more thing, i know there is one without keypad, another one with keypad. Actually I'm fine without keypad as well. Though I have been using keyboard with keypad. But I welcome to have a change if keyboard is good yo.
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like krayden suggested, you should start by choosing a layout. since you're ok without keypad, you can check out 65%, 75%, and 80% (tkl) first. check to see in each layout if you're ok with the missing keys.

beside weight, case type influences typing feel and sound.
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Ok let me tell you my boring story ... i went for RK61 it was a good keebs like it then i went for epomaker still the same form factor like RK and plastic but better in term of build and gasket and with mods. Then i went for Q1 full alu and boy this is another level of keebs
Did some minor mod since the previous owner have done the full mod to the keebs ... my mod usually will be on the switches only since i like frankenswitch.

Well as said by the other sifus it come back to your preference, havent try any o ring mod .. maybe if have time will try as i would like to try that too

well keychron is good as entry level compare to the QK series or the other high ends one like RAMA etc
maybe u can go try hands on at MKB store or another one in sunway i think
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Cant blame you, first time i go into Keychron site also like.. what the hell all these models for??

I still dont know much but i find the filter is a good way to trim the selection. I do like my V1, first mod is to forget about the included cable and use Pulsar mouse included parachord biggrin.gif
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Ok let me tell you my boring story ... i went for RK61 it was a good keebs like it then
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Would you still recommend it now? Looking for a budget smaller wireless barebones for spare.
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Would you still recommend it now? Looking for a budget smaller wireless barebones for spare.
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RK is good quit solid but i recommend go for epomaker better if u have the budget for it
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hhhmmm... got myself k3 v2 optical red switch last year Feb directly from official site, cause no stock back then everywhere. Like every newbie, just start with keychron to have a taste of mechanical although didn't physically test it before. After a year of using, like it very much... but wondering if there's any place offer lubing service... lazy to go in depth to diy...
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Haha, sorry my bad. Cause the last time I bought mechanical keyboard is corsair K series cherry mx red. So my knowledge is like until red, blue, brown. Sorry if I offend you.

For me I also will not use the knob as well. I can do some researches my end. It just that I have to research from K1 till K14 and then C1, etc. So if there is good recommendation for your expertise, I would very welcome. If not, then I will just continue to slowly research all these keyboards or asking via other portal. Thanks!
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You should at least figure out what layout you want. Gateron reds are linear switches.

One thing that gets overlooked is how the usb wire is plugged in. Some keyboards have the usb socket at the sides or in front which can be accidentally knocked loose which I don't like, I prefer the socket underneath.
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I think lately theres some concern over Keychron's quality control and some people are not happy about problems cropping up and how Keychron is dealing with it.
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you may try with this model, its have 3 mode for you to use it and with RGb as well
also is a hot swappable keyboard...
https://shopee.com.my/-Hot-Swappable-Royal-...775.14785033056
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Already arrive.. Thanks for the recommendation so far so good.. Jz feel not accurate when I type in number area cz my old keyboard have more spacing area haha.. Overall very solid n heavy I guess the battery should last long
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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Jan 6 2023, 04:20 PM)
Already arrive.. Thanks for the recommendation so far so good.. Jz feel not accurate when I type in number area cz my old keyboard have more spacing area haha.. Overall very solid n heavy I guess the battery should last long
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here is the proof that kailh dream cream has gone through 600K actuations at factory.

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i love building boards for myself. i choose and get parts, tune them, combine everything, then i do quality control, from start to end for myself.

it's good to be your own customer. everything fits, i have 0 complaint, and i feel good lol

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now i can type with 70g springs for long hours, without having finger joint pains. this is mainly because of my gradual change of typing habits.

previously, i would feel uncomfortable if i used switches with spring weight of 68g and up, for 1 to 2 hours.

these days, i type lightly, with almost no bottom-out. heavy springs help to push my fingers back to resting position. as long as the starting force is low enough, i can type normally without issues. if i missed the feels of bottoming out, i can always swap to boards with lighter springs.

this typing habit also means i cannot type properly on topre anymore. it's fine for me, because i prefer mx style switches more.

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Just to put out some budget new models to consider..

1. Tecware Phantom+ Elite is new sleek looking a 3 mode, hotswap TKL board, almost Drop like for RM300ish



2. GMK67 is a barebones gasket mount 3 mode, 65% board, RM200ish. Apparently Epomaker use this to create another model of their own while charging more.


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QUOTE(quarantined @ Jan 10 2023, 10:54 AM)
Just to put out some budget new models to consider..

1. Tecware Phantom+ Elite is new sleek looking a 3 mode, hotswap TKL board, almost Drop like for RM300ish



2. GMK67 is a barebones gasket mount 3 mode, 65% board, RM200ish. Apparently Epomaker use this to create another model of their own while charging more.


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novelkeys cream+, https://novelkeys.com/collections/top-dogs/...m-plus-switches (inserts)

now you can change the sound profile of switches, and silicon inserts might be the solution to silent switches, to help minimize mushiness.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 11 2023, 09:51 AM)
novelkeys cream+, https://novelkeys.com/collections/top-dogs/...m-plus-switches (inserts)

now you can change the sound profile of switches, and silicon inserts might be the solution to silent switches, to help minimize mushiness.
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This is madness lol.. has this been done before?
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This is madness lol.. has this been done before?
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no, this one is new. one switch, with unlimited different sound profiles. it's a good idea for those who like sound so much.

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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 7 2023, 12:02 PM)
here is the proof that kailh dream cream has gone through 600K actuations at factory.

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i love building boards for myself. i choose and get parts, tune them, combine everything, then i do quality control, from start to end for myself.

it's good to be your own customer. everything fits, i have 0 complaint, and i feel good lol
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Wah. Got running-in marks some more.
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Jan 11 2023, 04:33 PM)
Wah. Got running-in marks some more.
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yes, it's a layer of leftovers that can be wiped off easily.

later i will put this into a zt60 e-white, and cover it with dmk bow hehe

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my next build is with giant v5 from panghu that i forgot to tune and build after break-in.

giant v5 is from tecsee, and has the following specifications:
- stem: uhmwpe
- switch top: uhmwpe
- bottom housing: nylon
- spring: 16mm gold-plated 58g spring

previously i thought of making a custom switch with similar specs (invyr's uhmwpe stem + tangerine v2 uhmwpe switch top + cherry mx black hg's nylon bottom) it's covered; cheaper now lol

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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 11 2023, 06:30 PM)
yes, it's a layer of leftovers that can be wiped off easily.

later i will put this into a zt60 e-white, and cover it with dmk bow hehe

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Ooff...I like the novelties.

Trying to hold off on buying any more keycaps. I have enough to cover all my boards 3 times. Lol.

Waiting on 1 more GB to be fulfilled then I'm done.
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Jan 12 2023, 12:21 PM)
Ooff...I like the novelties.

Trying to hold off on buying any more keycaps. I have enough to cover all my boards 3 times. Lol.

Waiting on 1 more GB to be fulfilled then I'm done.
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yes, just get what you want according to your plans. these days i mainly collect keyboard stuff that i want, only if they are readily available.

i'm not sure about you guys, but long-term exposure to hypes has really made me lose interest in, and immuned to ads in general. believe it or not, now i have the tendency to ignore these things automatically. the same happened when i wandered in malls previously. i noticed this when i was asked to wait beside an advertisement. it's obvious, and near to me, but i couldn't locate it, until i really pay attention.
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went to MKB store saw jwk black nylon was intrigue ... then saw ktt cabage and white samurai switch sweat.gif
in the end didnt buy any
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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ Jan 12 2023, 05:31 PM)
went to MKB store saw jwk black nylon was intrigue ... then saw ktt cabage and white samurai switch sweat.gif
in the end didnt buy any
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jwick series is affordable and good in general (black, ultimate black, white, red, and yellow; i have tested all of them).

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just received my first restock of cx60 pcb and equalz c3 v3 stabilizers in 2023. the pcb color has changed again, from initial blue, white, black, and now back to white.

by the way for those who are interested in tx stabilizers, you can get it from quovadis123.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 12 2023, 11:35 PM)
nice smile.gif

jwick series is affordable and good in general (black, ultimate black, white, red, and yellow; i have tested all of them
Not to promo the store but seems the price is affordable.. if u buy online plus the shipping fee well it is a bit cheaper at the store for the switches lah

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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ Jan 13 2023, 01:30 AM)
Not to promo the store but seems the price is affordable.. if u buy online plus the shipping fee well it is a bit cheaper at the store for the switches lah

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as long as the price is reasonable, and it's available locally, just get it.

i get stuff from else where mainly because:
1. they are not available locally;
2. local price is not reasonable; and
3. the possibility to consolidate shipping.

in my case, usually no. 1 predominates.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 13 2023, 11:42 AM)
as long as the price is reasonable, and it's available locally, just get it.

i get stuff from else where mainly because:
1. they are not available locally;
2. local price is not reasonable; and
3. the possibility to consolidate shipping.

in my case, usually no. 1 predominates.
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Agree some can't get locally so go to next best thing
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QUOTE(cruzzmz @ Jan 13 2023, 01:00 PM)
Agree some can't get locally so go to next best thing
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yes, priority should be given to local shops imo. at places like shopee, i usually pick local sellers first, unless the price doesn't make sense.

it's the least that we can do to support local business.


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do you guys maintain the keyboard like cleaning etc? Should i use vacuum lol.. my old wireless keyboard i used like 2 year then when i vacuum, the dust its incredible... but for mkb i not sure if should i use the same clean method.
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Hi all,

First time interested in getting a low profile mech keyboard. Would like to try out custom build if have for low profile type. I've been aiming on redragon k618 horus, keychron k5. Any recommendation for first time users to own a mech keyboard for low profile. I do understand that there are not many low profile keyboards around and also for custom build. Thx all sifus for the help
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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Jan 13 2023, 09:26 PM)
do you guys maintain the keyboard like cleaning etc? Should i use vacuum lol.. my old wireless keyboard i used like 2 year then when i vacuum, the dust its incredible... but for mkb i not sure if should i use the same clean method.
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yes, it's for hygenic purposes. vacuum cleaners are not recommended, because it can create static discharge buildup that harms electronic compnents.

usually i do a full teardown of a board, bring it outside, and brush the dust off. for key caps, i soak and wash them with warm water + dish washing liquid in ultrasonic cleaner. (this is because i have the machine)

QUOTE(mickey1007 @ Jan 13 2023, 09:53 PM)
Hi all,

First time interested in getting a low profile mech keyboard. Would like to try out custom build if have for low profile type. I've been aiming on redragon k618 horus, keychron k5. Any recommendation for first time users to own a mech keyboard for low profile. I do understand that there are not many low profile keyboards around and also for custom build. Thx all sifus for the help
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you can take a look at keychron's options. there are few with gateron low-profile switch hotswapping support.

you're right, as of now, options that use low-profile switches are limited. the main problem is that, due to the general lack of standardizations, each brand makes low-profile switches according to own specifications, hence they are incompatible to each other. in short, it's a mess, compared to the ecosystem of mx style switches.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 13 2023, 11:04 PM)
yes, it's for hygenic purposes. vacuum cleaners are not recommended, because it can create static discharge buildup that harms electronic compnents.

usually i do a full teardown of a board, bring it outside, and brush the dust off. for key caps, i soak and wash them with warm water + dish washing liquid in ultrasonic cleaner. (this is because i have the machine)
you can take a look at keychron's options. there are few with gateron low-profile switch hotswapping support.

you're right, as of now, options that use low-profile switches are limited. the main problem is that, due to the general lack of standardizations, each brand makes low-profile switches according to own specifications, hence they are incompatible to each other. in short, it's a mess, compared to the ecosystem of mx style switches.
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Mean you dismantle all the key caps and also the switch? How long you did once? My switch location I feel very near to wall, have trouble dismantle it..
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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Jan 14 2023, 01:50 AM)
Mean you dismantle all the key caps and also the switch? How long you did once? My switch location I feel very near to wall, have trouble dismantle it..
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my boards are mainly soldered builds, so i just take key caps off with a metal-wire keycap puller. i do cleanups when i think key caps are dirty. (usually it takes months to reach this stage)

also, when i replace key caps, i wash the old ones first, before putting them back into box.

these are just my usual habits. however, this might be the reason why i never experience key switch issues, like key chattering, on my custom builds.
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QUOTE(horns @ Jan 14 2023, 11:17 AM)
my boards are mainly soldered builds, so i just take key caps off with a metal-wire keycap puller. i do cleanups when i think key caps are dirty. (usually it takes months to reach this stage)

also, when i replace key caps, i wash the old ones first, before putting them back into box.

these are just my usual habits. however, this might be the reason why i never experience key switch issues, like key chattering, on my custom builds.
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Then you might need to lub it again? As the cap lub maybe gone during the washing?

My keyboard normally only got dust.. Cause I don't eat and play with dirty finger.. From time to time I use damp cloth to wipe the surface

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QUOTE(eddie2020 @ Jan 14 2023, 01:08 PM)
Then you might need to lub it again? As the cap lub maybe gone during the washing?

My keyboard normally only got dust.. Cause I don't eat and play with dirty finger.. From time to time I use damp cloth to wipe the surface
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uh? i wash key caps, and i don't lube them.

right, i don't eat in front of boards, or type with dirty fingers also.

edit:

i forgot i have this kabuki-cho set from pbtfans.

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I got tired of wiping my fingerprints off my acrylic surfaces. Did a partially successful experiment, bringing in my other hobby of leathercraft.

Cut out a layer of Buttero leather in green to go on top of the existing top layer.
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Jan 14 2023, 06:43 PM)
I got tired of wiping my fingerprints off my acrylic surfaces. Did a partially successful experiment, bringing in my other hobby of leathercraft.

Cut out a layer of Buttero leather in green to go on top of the existing top layer.
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crafts by hand should be learned and preserved imo. traditionally, we have lost a lot of things in time.
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What alphas are those with the kat atlantis?
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What alphas are those with the kat atlantis?
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Akko Blue on White ASA....and KAT Explosion spacebars. hahaha rojak but at least they are the same height. Both profiles copied the height of OEM profile.
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Jan 14 2023, 10:39 PM)
Akko Blue on White ASA....and KAT Explosion spacebars. hahaha rojak but at least they are the same height. Both profiles copied the height of OEM profile.
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lol macam macam boleh rojak. i din know asa and kat same height.

Todays weird layout (for me)

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Jan 14 2023, 06:43 PM)
I got tired of wiping my fingerprints off my acrylic surfaces. Did a partially successful experiment, bringing in my other hobby of leathercraft.

Cut out a layer of Buttero leather in green to go on top of the existing top layer.
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Made some mistakes. Have a good idea of what I should and shouldn't do. What thickness of leather I need. Time to shop!

Will be using this mismatched pair for now.
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Been using it for weeks and very satisfied. Like the sounds and feel, cheap too.

GMK67 + Leobog Graywood V3 + Apple XDA PBT keycaps copy

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tempted to get this but seems it is a bottom screw keebs sweat.gif


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Part 2
Made some mistakes. Have a good idea of what I should and shouldn't do. What thickness of leather I need. Time to shop!

Will be using this mismatched pair for now.
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Added some decorative hand stitching to my test piece. Yay or nay?
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The single layer of 1mm leather is too thin to accommodate the stitches without warping the precise shape of the keyboard though. If I do stitch, I'll need to go thicker.
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Stiching looks good man
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Stiching looks good man
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Thanks. Getting the stitching done without altering the dimensions is harder than expected.

Part 5. (Part 4 was a disaster and shall remain undocumented lol)
Better luck with cutting out the inside after stitching. But it still expanded to the sides and became slightly too big. Next will cut everything oversize and trim after stitching and punching holes.




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Here we go
One Plus Keyboard

more details and pics
Here

Keychron based .. so more or less will have same looks and feels but with a hint of OnePlus and see how much is it later

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Now home pc using tecware phantom rgb.
plan to custom/buy one good keyboard.

should i go all in direct keychron Q1 bare/prebuild
or just buy some budget kit and start from there.

PS: 0 experient on this.


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Or there got recent and decent kit i should start with?
If got link or list for item/guide, lagi best.

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Jan 28 2023, 03:26 PM)
Now home pc using tecware phantom rgb.
plan to custom/buy one good keyboard.

should i go all in direct keychron Q1 bare/prebuild
or just buy some budget kit and start from there.

PS: 0 experient on this.
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If got link or list for item/guide, lagi best.
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Assuming you are looking for a 75, wait for QK75 next run and get that then retire.
Alternatively, Zoom65 is presently on group buy at rebult keyboard.
Or Tiger Lite TKL or Tiger 80 TKL or Odin in stock (kbdfans)

If you find those too expensive then the Q1 is not a bad choice either.

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QUOTE(krayden @ Jan 28 2023, 05:59 PM)
Assuming you are looking for a 75, wait for QK75 next run and get that then retire.
Alternatively, Zoom65 is presently on group buy at rebult keyboard.
Or Tiger Lite TKL or Tiger 80 TKL or Odin in stock (kbdfans)

If you find those too expensive then the Q1 is not a bad choice either.
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yep. because i wanna try smaller keyboard but without throwing out the arrow key + F row (not sure how they called, whatever)
but if go standard TKL, lost the meaning of this build.


all kit you mention easy to get?. i don mind the kit mocked up 50~100 by local seller. just willing to easy get by local online platform.
I got few local platform barebone kit in mind, but surely they not that 'good' compare to Q1, because the price itself already killed all (i didnt touch the Q1 yet, so i dont know too)

Most i checked on shopee, i will list out the model here, incase others got good idea on these product.
Kit:-
-NJ80
-FL Esports MK750
-Lychee G80 Pro
-Next Time 75 (not alunimium version)
-Weikav WK810S
-Feker IK75 Pro

Switches:-
-Outemu Red (as what i using on my tecware)
-Leobog Graywood v3
-KTT Wine Red v2

Keycap:- (so far no idea on it, so i try go pink theme)
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PS: yet going any MKB shop to test, since my location have none of these, hence go full online buy hit and run whatever this go perfect or bad. (so far i doubt it will go bad, just maybe not perfect)

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PS: yet going any MKB shop to test, since my location have none of these, hence go full online buy hit and run whatever this go perfect or bad. (so far i doubt it will go bad, just maybe not perfect)
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I would not suggest the NJ80 over the Q1. If you wanna go cheap plastic then an RK84 or Akko would be a better buy.
Go to MKB and go touchy feely the Q1 first lah.
If you wanna keep backlit keycaps then you need a north facing led (ask the MKB guys what that is) in which case you should look at an Akko Mod 006 or 007 (knob) for alu casing.
Otherwise stick with the Q1.
Ulti value is still a QK75. You might find one in FB Mechmarket or just wait for the next group buy.
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QUOTE(krayden @ Jan 28 2023, 08:11 PM)
I would not suggest the NJ80 over the Q1. If you wanna go cheap plastic then an RK84 or Akko would be a better buy.
Go to MKB and go touchy feely the Q1 first lah.
If you wanna keep backlit keycaps then you need a north facing led (ask the MKB guys what that is) in which case you should look at an Akko Mod 006 or 007 (knob) for alu casing.
Otherwise stick with the Q1.
Ulti value is still a QK75. You might find one in FB Mechmarket or just wait for the next group buy.
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how the other 5 kit than NJ80?

surely, for myself NJ80 is the 'worse' kit in my list. just some baseline, especially looking on pricing.


less likely i will go MKB shop, because less of time.
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Jan 28 2023, 08:36 PM)
how the other 5 kit than NJ80?

surely, for myself NJ80 is the 'worse' kit in my list. just some baseline, especially looking on pricing.
less likely i will go MKB shop, because less of time.
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I’ve seen some relatively positive reviews on the next time 75… but as a beginner myself I’m also not sure if it’s truly value for money.

Currently I’m still waiting for my Monsgeek m1 to arrive.
Technically my first custom to replace my razer huntsman.
Will be pairing it with Akko lavender purples and ninja style rgb keycaps too.

Heard that’s quite a good value entry level keyboard but it’s mostly out of stock now… newer version slated for release in a few months though.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Jan 31 2023, 10:12 AM)
I’ve seen some relatively positive reviews on the next time 75… but as a beginner myself I’m also not sure if it’s truly value for money.

Currently I’m still waiting for my Monsgeek m1 to arrive.
Technically my first custom to replace my razer huntsman.
Will be pairing it with Akko lavender purples and ninja style rgb keycaps too.

Heard that’s quite a good value entry level keyboard but it’s mostly out of stock now… newer version slated for release in a few months though.
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thanks for comment (as this 'hobby' quite special and make this tered slightly quiet)

The shopee seller i talk with also suggest i go for full aluminium case (with reasonable price)

Current his suggestion is:
M1 pink
Graywood v3 with shop hand lubed+filmed

since i try to make pink theme, keycap maybe will not get from them.
i have no idea how to hand lube or film...so far knowing is pasang all these hotswap item.

since will use this keyboard for home gaming pc. i not sure theres a need to get such luxury keyboard (not price, for its look and build material)

any idea?


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quite funny the fb mechanical keyboard group rejected my join request....
thats fine, less poison for me to see.

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Jan 31 2023, 10:24 AM)
thanks for comment (as this 'hobby' quite special and make this tered slightly quiet)

The shopee seller i talk with also suggest i go for full aluminium case (with reasonable price)

Current his suggestion is:
M1 pink
Graywood v3 with shop hand lubed+filmed

since i try to make pink theme, keycap maybe will not get from them.
i have no idea how to hand lube or film...so far knowing is pasang all these hotswap item.

since will use this keyboard for home gaming pc. i not sure theres a need to get such luxury keyboard (not price, for its look and build material)

any idea?
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quite funny the fb mechanical keyboard group rejected my join request....
thats fine, less poison for me to see.
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I think a good keyboard will provide a much better typing experience. I know my wife would appreciate me using a thocky keyboard a lot more than those razer clickies.

I got the pre-lubed switches too coz I’m lazy.
Planning to do the tape mod and the holee mod on the Monsgeek when I receive it.

I think it’s a good time to get into this hobby. Compared to several years ago (before keychron), good quality custom keyboards are really expensive and a lot of them aren’t hot swappable.

Btw. Take note the Monsgeek M1 uses south facing rgb.
Most typical rgb key caps won’t be very bright with this.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Jan 31 2023, 12:51 PM)
I think a good keyboard will provide a much better typing experience. I know my wife would appreciate me using a thocky keyboard a lot more than those razer clickies.

I got the pre-lubed switches too coz I’m lazy.
Planning to do the tape mod and the holee mod on the Monsgeek when I receive it.

I think it’s a good time to get into this hobby. Compared to several years ago (before keychron), good quality custom keyboards are really expensive and a lot of them aren’t hot swappable.

Btw. Take note the Monsgeek M1 uses south facing rgb.
Most typical rgb key caps won’t be very bright with this.
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I am fine with south facing LED, because me not rgb-gang as long as it shine the keycap as backlit.

me personally wont double or triple mod it (maybe, in future not sure)
so i just buy one, straight using it...maybe just changeout the switch or keycap to what i fav
other than that i think not much to touch with


just the requirement:
-75% aka 81/82 key
-arrow key with divider with other key
-wired, wireless is optional
-with double step stand
-rgb backlit needed, bur no need super fancy rgb

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hi guys first time planning to buy a mechanical kb after using normal membrane kb for my whole life. Looking at Akko 3068B plus and Keychron K6 and Akko 3098B. Or any suggestion for a kb under RM350? Prefer hot-swappable and little RGB too! Thanks in advance!
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QUOTE(mgh20 @ Jan 31 2023, 10:09 PM)
hi guys first time planning to buy a mechanical kb after using normal membrane kb for my whole life. Looking at Akko 3068B plus and Keychron K6 and Akko 3098B. Or any suggestion for a kb under RM350? Prefer hot-swappable and little RGB too! Thanks in advance!
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I personally suggest you go Tecware Phantom series. I am using it now with gateron red.
Me also using membrane keyboard forever, even the last 'high end' keyboard before is SteelSeries Apex 64145, i will tell you phantom absolutely nuked it away.

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Jan 31 2023, 10:24 AM)
thanks for comment (as this 'hobby' quite special and make this tered slightly quiet)

The shopee seller i talk with also suggest i go for full aluminium case (with reasonable price)

Current his suggestion is:
M1 pink
Graywood v3 with shop hand lubed+filmed

since i try to make pink theme, keycap maybe will not get from them.
i have no idea how to hand lube or film...so far knowing is pasang all these hotswap item.

since will use this keyboard for home gaming pc. i not sure theres a need to get such luxury keyboard (not price, for its look and build material)

any idea?
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quite funny the fb mechanical keyboard group rejected my join request....
thats fine, less poison for me to see.
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i thought krayden already gave his suggestions to you? he even suggested options that he thought good, in terms of value for money.

a lot of things are personal choices. it's really up to you to decide. this include the need to get a 'luxury' keyboard mainly for gaming.

QUOTE(LegendLee @ Jan 31 2023, 12:51 PM)
I think a good keyboard will provide a much better typing experience. I know my wife would appreciate me using a thocky keyboard a lot more than those razer clickies.

I got the pre-lubed switches too coz I’m lazy.
Planning to do the tape mod and the holee mod on the Monsgeek when I receive it.

I think it’s a good time to get into this hobby. Compared to several years ago (before keychron), good quality custom keyboards are really expensive and a lot of them aren’t hot swappable.

Btw. Take note the Monsgeek M1 uses south facing rgb.
Most typical rgb key caps won’t be very bright with this.
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the general idea of this hobby is always to tune your own boards to fit your own preferences, in terms of typing experience.

usually it starts with shaping own expectations first, based on repeated first-hand experience, so that you can choose the right combos of your choice later, in order to make boards that are the closest to own preferences.

yes, hotswap boards bring convenience to users to learn basics of board tuning. again, it's really up to owners to pick things up for themselves.

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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 1 2023, 06:21 PM)
i thought krayden already gave his suggestions to you? he even suggested options that he thought good, in terms of value for money.

a lot of things are personal choices. it's really up to you to decide. this include the need to get a 'luxury' keyboard mainly for gaming.
the general idea of this hobby is always to tune your own boards to fit your own preferences, in terms of typing experience.

usually it starts with shaping own expectations first, based on repeated first-hand experience, so that you can choose the right combos of your choice later, in order to make boards that are the closest to own preferences.

yes, hotswap boards bring convenience to users to learn basics of board tuning. again, it's really up to owners to pick things up for themselves.
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Since the Monsgeek I ordered from shopee took too long... I actually went ahead with some unknown China Keyboard for office use.
Needed something with Numpad, Bluetooth and a Knob.
Thus I went for the Mathew Tech NK98t
Added some Pre-lubed Gateron Yellows and the Drop Skylight keycaps and I'm quite satisfied with it.
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 1 2023, 06:21 PM)
i thought krayden already gave his suggestions to you? he even suggested options that he thought good, in terms of value for money.

a lot of things are personal choices. it's really up to you to decide. this include the need to get a 'luxury' keyboard mainly for gaming.
the general idea of this hobby is always to tune your own boards to fit your own preferences, in terms of typing experience.

usually it starts with shaping own expectations first, based on repeated first-hand experience, so that you can choose the right combos of your choice later, in order to make boards that are the closest to own preferences.

yes, hotswap boards bring convenience to users to learn basics of board tuning. again, it's really up to owners to pick things up for themselves.
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actually feel sorry, now i look back the question and answer i reply to krayden actually sound so newbie and stupid doh.gif
i just a random guy that 1 week ago decide to jump into custom keyboard, a lot thing to learn from keyboard community too,

already making the decision and ordered. good or no in typing/gaming will be know in days
current build with pink theme:
Monsgeeks M1 Sakura Pink
Graywood v3 Fine-Lube
Darling in Franx keycap



QUOTE(LegendLee @ Feb 1 2023, 09:50 PM)
Since the Monsgeek I ordered from shopee took too long... I actually went ahead with some unknown China Keyboard for office use.
Needed something with Numpad, Bluetooth and a Knob.
Thus I went for the Mathew Tech NK98t
Added some Pre-lubed Gateron Yellows and the Drop Skylight keycaps and I'm quite satisfied with it.
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Not familiar with mathew tech, IK75 Pro in my wishlist actually not bad but at the end i decide go for monsgeek M1.
will update to see it arrive soon or not.maybe will meet your long waiting problem too.
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actually feel sorry, now i look back the question and answer i reply to krayden actually sound so newbie and stupid doh.gif
i just a random guy that 1 week ago decide to jump into custom keyboard, a lot thing to learn from keyboard community too,

already making the decision and ordered. good or no in typing/gaming will be know in days
current build with pink theme:
Monsgeeks M1 Sakura Pink
Graywood v3 Fine-Lube
Darling in Franx keycap
Not familiar with mathew tech, IK75 Pro in my wishlist actually not bad but at the end i decide go for monsgeek M1.
will update to see it arrive soon or not.maybe will meet your long waiting problem too.
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I did check out the Gmmk pro too, but reviews online are a bit of a mixed bag. With most asking to just go for Q1 keychron.

Talking about the Q1 keychron… it might just be better to fund the Kickstarter for the Q1 keychron pro… though that means more waiting time.
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Feb 2 2023, 09:13 AM)
I did check out the Gmmk pro too, but reviews online are a bit of a mixed bag. With most asking to just go for Q1 keychron.

Talking about the Q1 keychron… it might just be better to fund the Kickstarter for the Q1 keychron pro… though that means more waiting time.
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didnt know about Q1 pro, maybe will look into if i need another alu' keyboard.
yep, i got GMMK pro in my wishlist and people did instantly asking me go Q1 otherwise i wont even know keychron brand, hence the first question i ask here lol.


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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Feb 2 2023, 12:16 AM)
actually feel sorry, now i look back the question and answer i reply to krayden actually sound so newbie and stupid doh.gif
i just a random guy that 1 week ago decide to jump into custom keyboard, a lot thing to learn from keyboard community too,

already making the decision and ordered. good or no in typing/gaming will be know in days
current build with pink theme:
Monsgeeks M1 Sakura Pink
Graywood v3 Fine-Lube
Darling in Franx keycap
Not familiar with mathew tech, IK75 Pro in my wishlist actually not bad but at the end i decide go for monsgeek M1.
will update to see it arrive soon or not.maybe will meet your long waiting problem too.
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yes, there are plenty of things that you can do to make your boards better. just go ahead, pick a board, play to learn more.

usually, stock boards are not optimal, including switches, top plates, stabilizers, cases, and few more parts. it's really up to us to make them meet our preferred typing experience, within their physical and keyboard construction limits.

for instance, by switch and stabilizer tuning, you can already feel the differences, but you don't die die expect tray-mount can be sebijik like gasket-mount (because they are different plate mounting options). these things stack on each other to make the final outcomes.

QUOTE(LegendLee @ Feb 2 2023, 09:13 AM)
I did check out the Gmmk pro too, but reviews online are a bit of a mixed bag. With most asking to just go for Q1 keychron.

Talking about the Q1 keychron… it might just be better to fund the Kickstarter for the Q1 keychron pro… though that means more waiting time.
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yes, it's a mixed bag, mainly because we all have different preferences, and there are always alternatives, maybe with cheaper price, or better features.

imo gmmk pro alone is not a bad kit, after tuned, compared to many options. however, yes, you can also get keychron q1.
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yes, there are plenty of things that you can do to make your boards better. just go ahead, pick a board, play to learn more.

usually, stock boards are not optimal, including switches, top plates, stabilizers, cases, and few more parts. it's really up to us to make them meet our preferred typing experience, within their physical and keyboard construction limits.

for instance, by switch and stabilizer tuning, you can already feel the differences, but you don't die die expect tray-mount can be sebijik like gasket-mount (because they are different plate mounting options). these things stack on each other to make the final outcomes.

yes, it's a mixed bag, mainly because we all have different preferences, and there are always alternatives, maybe with cheaper price, or better features.

imo gmmk pro alone is not a bad kit, after tuned, compared to many options. however, yes, you can also get keychron q1.
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Ya. Need to get the keyboard first to know it suit my style or not.

Most likely i will adapt myself to new keyboard since i using alcheapo mechanical now.

Yep, i didnt put too much expectations from the research i make, because that just 'research' without touching the real keyboard, but surely i expect better build quality as M1 itself already aluminium and gasket.
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Feb 2 2023, 12:38 PM)
Ya. Need to get the keyboard first to know it suit my style or not.

Most likely i will adapt myself to new keyboard since i using alcheapo mechanical now.

Yep, i didnt put too much expectations from the research i make, because that just 'research' without touching the real keyboard, but surely i expect better build quality as M1 itself already aluminium and gasket.
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I think aesthetic is very important in a keyboard too.
The Q1 looks a bit too plain imo. I like the side brass accent or side lightning on the Monsgeek/GMMK pro.
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Feb 2 2023, 02:14 PM)
I think aesthetic is very important in a keyboard too.
The Q1 looks a bit too plain imo. I like the side brass accent or side lightning on the Monsgeek/GMMK pro.
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cant say ... some people like it minimalist ... i do like my Q1 white some more hahaha ... looking forward to Oneplus one later this week to be release cool2.gif
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Feb 2 2023, 02:14 PM)
I think aesthetic is very important in a keyboard too.
The Q1 looks a bit too plain imo. I like the side brass accent or side lightning on the Monsgeek/GMMK pro.
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Agree. Because if i go q1 will be buy pre-built version with stock keychron keycap and their gateron phantom switches. Not only look plain, boring too.
Not sure about their 2nd hand market price, at china their price not really good. So if later even only change keycap, you will keep one set of keychron boring keycap in hand....
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Feb 2 2023, 12:38 PM)
Ya. Need to get the keyboard first to know it suit my style or not.

Most likely i will adapt myself to new keyboard since i using alcheapo mechanical now.

Yep, i didnt put too much expectations from the research i make, because that just 'research' without touching the real keyboard, but surely i expect better build quality as M1 itself already aluminium and gasket.
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buy cheap play cheap. there is nothing wrong with that. in meetups, i have tried bad prebuilts that were tuned to become something that were relatively acceptable.

also, pay more for expensive kits only if you can appreciate them. it doesn't mean when you spend more you will get even better typing experience. tuning plays an important part in every build.

mechanical keyboards give us more options to tune, based on own preferences for long-term typing comforts. they last a long time, and are repairable/maintainable. that's why it's worth the time and efforts spent on board tuning, and use good parts, and lube.

gasket-mount is forgiven. you cannot find minor faults with it. to help tuning, it's better to use those with top/bottom-mount/integrated plate imo.

QUOTE(LegendLee @ Feb 2 2023, 02:14 PM)
I think aesthetic is very important in a keyboard too.
The Q1 looks a bit too plain imo. I like the side brass accent or side lightning on the Monsgeek/GMMK pro.
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different strokes for different folks. i mainly care about typing feel, because my eyes are always on screen when i type, and i listen to music when i do that. hence, i look for 'features' that can enhance typing feels (like clean key strokes, with minimal or no vibration)

these are all personal preferences. just get and do what you want.

QUOTE(cruzzmz @ Feb 2 2023, 03:15 PM)
cant say ... some people like it minimalist ... i do like my Q1 white some more hahaha ... looking forward to Oneplus one later this week to be release  cool2.gif
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right. i like minimalist, too. my boards are all plain-looking. the case colors that i prefer are mainly black, grey, and white. they are very boring haha
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 2 2023, 04:59 PM)
buy cheap play cheap. there is nothing wrong with that. in meetups, i have tried bad prebuilts that were tuned to become something that were relatively acceptable.

also, pay more for expensive kits only if you can appreciate them. it doesn't mean when you spend more you will get even better typing experience. tuning plays an important part in every build.

mechanical keyboards give us more options to tune, based on own preferences for long-term typing comforts. they last a long time, and are repairable/maintainable. that's why it's worth the time and efforts spent on board tuning, and use good parts, and lube.

gasket-mount is forgiven. you cannot find minor faults with it. to help tuning, it's better to use those with top/bottom-mount/integrated plate imo.
different strokes for different folks. i mainly care about typing feel, because my eyes are always on screen when i type, and i listen to music when i do that. hence, i look for 'features' that can enhance typing feels (like clean key strokes, with minimal or no vibration)

these are all personal preferences. just get and do what you want.
right. i like minimalist, too. my boards are all plain-looking. the case colors that i prefer are mainly black, grey, and white. they are very boring haha
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agree the 'buy cheap play cheap'. there nothing wrong with it.
at the start i actually wanna to buy basic barebone kit like sky104/108, get gateron red (where i using now, so it wont go wrong)
and i manually lube all switches and stabilizer, but times go i have no time to do so. so going plan 2, buy custom build that already done the job.

mostly i wanna try how all these fine lubed switches and stabilizer feel. so later i can tune my phantom too
because phantom already giving super good typing and gaming experience without all these extra move, maybe it will become slightly better.
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agree the 'buy cheap play cheap'. there nothing wrong with it.
at the start i actually wanna to buy basic barebone kit like sky104/108, get gateron red (where i using now, so it wont go wrong)
and i manually lube all switches and stabilizer, but times go i have no time to do so. so going plan 2, buy custom build that already done the job.

mostly i wanna try how all these fine lubed switches and stabilizer feel. so later i can tune my phantom too
because phantom already giving super good typing and gaming experience without all these extra move, maybe it will become slightly better.
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for beginner, they can start with a good or bad board. the goal is the same: to make that board provide good typing experience for the user. what matters is that the user learn how to optimize the board accordingly.

factory-prelubed switches are fine, but they never provide the feel that i want. you should try gateron red pro. it has lesser stem wobbles compared to gateron red.

in terms of switch tuning, there is no need to do everything in one go. with a hotswap board, you can do it progressively, e.g., one row at a time, or keys in alpha area first, then number row, then modifier keys, etc. there is also no need to worry about things like relative consistency, unless stock parts are so bad that you can feel obvious differences. in terms of switch lubing, as long as you stick to 'less is more', you will be fine.

all these mods and techniques are pretty straight forward. once you do it more you will get it. for instance, i overlube my switches if i use 203g2, 204/205g0. this is because i know after i type on the switches for few weeks, typing alone will help me spread the lube evenly, without side effects, like lube fart. i do control the amount of lube that i use.

tbh stock tecware phantom rgb are bad. i had one unit before. you should keep your phantom for a while, and do side-by-side comparisons with tuned boards when you have the chance.
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for beginner, they can start with a good or bad board. the goal is the same: to make that board provide good typing experience for the user. what matters is that the user learn how to optimize the board accordingly.

factory-prelubed switches are fine, but they never provide the feel that i want. you should try gateron red pro. it has lesser stem wobbles compared to gateron red.

in terms of switch tuning, there is no need to do everything in one go. with a hotswap board, you can do it progressively, e.g., one row at a time, or keys in alpha area first, then number row, then modifier keys, etc. there is also no need to worry about things like relative consistency, unless stock parts are so bad that you can feel obvious differences. in terms of switch lubing, as long as you stick to 'less is more', you will be fine.

all these mods and techniques are pretty straight forward. once you do it more you will get it. for instance, i overlube my switches if i use 203g2, 204/205g0. this is because i know after i type on the switches for few weeks, typing alone will help me spread the lube evenly, without side effects, like lube fart. i do control the amount of lube that i use.

tbh stock tecware phantom rgb are bad. i had one unit before. you should keep your phantom for a while, and do side-by-side comparisons with tuned boards when you have the chance.
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Hmm. I see.
Yourself own the whole degreaser and lube or just buy 5-10g to done the job?


Ya, phantom still in hand, a daily drive keyboard.
The phantom you say bad is rgb or the typing feeling bad? .

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Hmm. I see.
Yourself own the whole degreaser and lube or just buy 5-10g to done the job?
Ya, phantom still in hand, a daily drive keyboard.
The phantom you say bad is rgb or the typing feeling bad? .
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i have multiple 50g of krytox gpl 203g2, 204g2, and 205g0/g2. for plain oil, i also have multiple 50ml of krytox gpl 101, 103, 104, 105, 106, and 107. they have different viscosity, so switch type, amount and techniques to apply them are also different.

as reference, you should get small volumes of 205g0 to try out first.

i meant stock tecware phantom rgb has bad typing feel.
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hey I just started with RK84, cheap cheap. I type a lot mainly on coding & messaging.
been used to right thumb ENTER, very not familiar with smaller layout

which budget liner switches would you recommend? i dont think i'll do modding or lubing..

QUOTE(horns @ Feb 2 2023, 06:47 PM)
for beginner, they can start with a good or bad board. the goal is the same: to make that board provide good typing experience for the user. what matters is that the user learn how to optimize the board accordingly.

factory-prelubed switches are fine, but they never provide the feel that i want. you should try gateron red pro. it has lesser stem wobbles compared to gateron red.

in terms of switch tuning, there is no need to do everything in one go. with a hotswap board, you can do it progressively, e.g., one row at a time, or keys in alpha area first, then number row, then modifier keys, etc. there is also no need to worry about things like relative consistency, unless stock parts are so bad that you can feel obvious differences. in terms of switch lubing, as long as you stick to 'less is more', you will be fine.

all these mods and techniques are pretty straight forward. once you do it more you will get it. for instance, i overlube my switches if i use 203g2, 204/205g0. this is because i know after i type on the switches for few weeks, typing alone will help me spread the lube evenly, without side effects, like lube fart. i do control the amount of lube that i use.

tbh stock tecware phantom rgb are bad. i had one unit before. you should keep your phantom for a while, and do side-by-side comparisons with tuned boards when you have the chance.
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QUOTE(wingwp @ Feb 2 2023, 08:32 PM)
hey I just started with RK84, cheap cheap. I type a lot mainly on coding & messaging.
been used to left thumb ENTER, very not familiar with smaller layout

which budget liner switches would you recommend? i dont think i'll do modding or lubing..
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uh? you use left thumb to press enter key? that's an unusual typing style.

for linear switches, you should try jwick black, nylon top and bottom housing; two variants of spring weight, 58.5g, and 63.5g. there are also other members in jwick series (pc top, nylon bottom), jwick white (45g), red (62g), and yellow (65g).

it's better to lube the spring, and side rails of bottom housing, at least.
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right thumb sorry

thanks for the recommendation, will the jwick black block the led light?

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uh? you use left thumb to press enter key? that's an unusual typing style.

for linear switches, you should try jwick black, nylon top and bottom housing; two variants of spring weight, 58.5g, and 63.5g. there are also other members in jwick series (pc top, nylon bottom), jwick white (45g), red (62g), and yellow (65g).

it's better to lube the spring, and side rails of bottom housing, at least.
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right thumb sorry

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yes it will block the led light. that's also why i put down options with pc-based switch top.
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https://www.lowyat.net/2023/293341/lol-verifier/

not to judge others, but just pointing out this now exists for keyboards. put it another way, would you spend money for something like this? i wouldn't. but it's apparently a thing if you feel like you need it laugh.gif


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https://www.lowyat.net/2023/293341/lol-verifier/

not to judge others, but just pointing out this now exists for keyboards. put it another way, would you spend money for something like this? i wouldn't. but it's apparently a thing if you feel like you need it  laugh.gif
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it's for fun mah. these days we can program silly things to make ourselves laugh a bit biggrin.gif
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looking for 104/full size white mkb with hot swap switch for my dad as present.
any good recommendation?
currently in my shopee cart: royal kludge, white, 104, blue, hotswap, 3 mode @ RM229.90
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agree the 'buy cheap play cheap'. there nothing wrong with it.
at the start i actually wanna to buy basic barebone kit like sky104/108, get gateron red (where i using now, so it wont go wrong)
and i manually lube all switches and stabilizer, but times go i have no time to do so. so going plan 2, buy custom build that already done the job.

mostly i wanna try how all these fine lubed switches and stabilizer feel. so later i can tune my phantom too
because phantom already giving super good typing and gaming experience without all these extra move, maybe it will become slightly better.
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Personally I do prefer the Gateron yellows over the red.
My wife's K4 Keychron came with Gateron reds and I always felt the response was a bit too light.
But the main reason I got them was coz they have the SMD version for RGB else I would had gone with the Gateron Oil Kings.

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these days, switches from haimu, especially their silent switches, caught the attention of mkb community. they have a different implementation of switch stem, compared to the cherry mx's. (there are other implementations, but cherry mx's are implemented by most well-known brands)

traditionally, silicone/rubber-like materials are used at each side of a stem to minimize key sound. however this results in mushiness. the feel is not as 'clean' as normal switches.

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my custom keyboard arrived.
still need to adapt myself to use the new layout.
especially i keep move my finger to delete key on fullsize where keep accidentally pressed the pageup
the typing feeling actually much different in finger side (ofc it got different, just not that much), more to the sound lol
and the key that make most noise is the space bar. (not coimplain, just the first hand experience)

Here few picture for THE keyboard
it is big boy heavy, (2kg i think?)
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keycap i pick from what seller suggested fews, 02 Darling the Franx.
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and the overall look.
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*this reply typed from new keyboard. still take time to 'biasa' especially the keyboard height.

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josh5671, after using it for a while at stock configuration, you should start tuning it progressively.

hotswap boards are good for beginner, because they are relatively convenient to do tuning, so that user can pick up basics quicker.

this is especially true when the kits have value-added features, like foams, and top plates with different materials.

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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 4 2023, 12:41 PM)
josh5671, after using it for a while at stock configuration, you should start tuning it progressively.

hotswap boards are good for beginner, because they are relatively convenient to do tuning, so that user can pick up basics quicker.

this is especially true when the kits have value-added features, like foams, and top plates with different materials.

have fun smile.gif
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Stock key enough 'thock' enough, i believe seller already done what diy-er will do. Unless the performance degraded so far away i think wont detect it lol.

Other that, i think space bar will double check what causing different sound.
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 3 2023, 02:28 PM)
these days, switches from haimu, especially their silent switches, caught the attention of mkb community. they have a different implementation of switch stem, compared to the cherry mx's. (there are other implementations, but cherry mx's are implemented by most well-known brands)

traditionally, silicone/rubber-like materials are used at each side of a stem to minimize key sound. however this results in mushiness. the feel is not as 'clean' as normal switches.

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Thanks... I always appreciate the 'silent switch' makers... ordered both Heartbeat/Whisper to try it out.

There's an interesting comment from a buyer
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Looking at the price of my boba u4t and seeing how much the boba u4 is, I would recommend people who can spend a little more to just get the u4 instead. You are getting a lot better build quality.

For the Haimu whisper switch, there is no pretravel, but the actuation point is basically at the bottom-out point. Coming from my boba u4t at work I uesd to type gently, and with the Haimu it sometimes would not register my key press.
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QUOTE(thankyou @ Feb 7 2023, 03:44 PM)
Thanks... I always appreciate the 'silent switch' makers... ordered both Heartbeat/Whisper to try it out.

There's an interesting comment from a buyer
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silent switches from haimu have shorter key travel distance (3.5mm; it's like cherry mx speed/silver).

the part about 'sometimes would not register key press' might be due to the light typing habit of the user. just swap the stock 65g springs with lighter ones.

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hi, sorry i am new to keyboard world.

is gmk67+leobog greywood v3 switch for rm 247 ok?

no warranty though.

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QUOTE(miyeonevermioff @ Feb 10 2023, 04:33 PM)
hi, sorry i am new to keyboard world.

is gmk67+leobog greywood v3 switch for rm 247 ok?

no warranty though.
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New or used? You can get new without keycaps for around the same price.

I'm using the same setup, really liking it, preference is for gaming though, sounds marbly with the xda pbt keycaps, really nice.

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QUOTE(quarantined @ Feb 10 2023, 05:54 PM)
New or used? You can get new without keycaps for around the same price.

I'm using the same setup, really liking it, preference is for gaming though, sounds marbly with the xda pbt keycaps, really nice.

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its new! yeah, without keycaps. seller is on shopee. just abit worried without warranty. maybe i should be brave this time lel.

however there are other options such as keychron k6/k12 around the same price, 270+-

i do like marbly sounds!

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You can go to MKB shop to see if you like the graywoods. Prelubed and cheap! Also quite a few sounds demo in bilibili site.

The GMK stabs arent the best but ever since i got this i never use my keychron v1,

Bear in mind im just a casual hobbyist though.
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My Monsgeek M1 finally arrived.
Did the tape mod and force break mod.
Akko lavender purples (factory lubed).
Ninja style PBT keycaps that also fully support rgb if I really need to look at the font in the dark.

Contemplating if I should change the stabilizers. A tiny bit of rattle.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Feb 10 2023, 10:14 PM)
My Monsgeek M1 finally arrived.
Did the tape mod and force break mod.
Akko lavender purples (factory lubed).
Ninja style PBT keycaps that also fully support rgb if I really need to look at the font in the dark.

Contemplating if I should change the stabilizers. A tiny bit of rattle.

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LOL..how your m1 arrive late than me?.... i literally buy days maybe week after you. whistling.gif

i am fine with default space bar. only the sound quite different with other key...not sure why.
the only downside is, my darling keycap not shine through type....

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Feb 10 2023, 10:14 PM)
My Monsgeek M1 finally arrived.
Did the tape mod and force break mod.
Akko lavender purples (factory lubed).
Ninja style PBT keycaps that also fully support rgb if I really need to look at the font in the dark.

Contemplating if I should change the stabilizers. A tiny bit of rattle.

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you should try tuning stock stabilizers first.

after-market stabilizers are used mainly because we buy parts to make boards from scratch, and there is no stock stabilizers provided. over 90% of stock stabilizers can be tuned to become better with common modifications, if done right. it's just that due to hype and marketing, some people tend to purposely boast about 'superiority' of their favorites over the others.

btw most 'innovations' in stabilizers were based on common practices in mkb community. some have been improved over the years. beside stabilizers, you can get a prepackaged pads that are used to do common modifications. these are for your convenience, you can still do the same without them. for instance, do not use band aid in a band aid mod. use other materials (e.g., ptfe, silicone, poron, with the right thickness) instead. these mods are optional and conditional. the key is always to identify actual problems first, then apply the right mods to resolve/minimize them.

of course, it's your choice. it's good to find out yourself that after-market stabilizers need tuning as well hehe
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Feb 10 2023, 10:14 PM)
My Monsgeek M1 finally arrived.
Did the tape mod and force break mod.
Akko lavender purples (factory lubed).
Ninja style PBT keycaps that also fully support rgb if I really need to look at the font in the dark.

Contemplating if I should change the stabilizers. A tiny bit of rattle.

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links to keycaps pls
tq
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as of this writing, tx keyboard has added more options for springs, mainly made based on stock springs in cherry mx switches.

a typical height of stock spring for cherry mx is 15mm tall. all are still linear rated.

1. s series, 14mm;
2. m series, 15mm;
3. l series, 16mm; and
4. xl series, 18mm.

bottom-out spring weights for each series are 45g, 50g, 55g, 57g, 60g, 62g, 65g, 67g, 70g, 75g, 80g, 85g, and 90g.

for those who are concerned about relatively weight consistency, tx spring is a good option. average deviation is controlled at +- 1g.

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Got it from here

https://shp.ee/dia84w2
Or can just search for this one on shopee
【JKDK】polar-day-PBT-keycaps-font-transmits-light-OEM-profile-gray-and-white-gradient-color-keycap

A bit pricey for a no brand keycaps.
The fonts are ugly imo, but I can’t see much with the ninja profile and/or rgb off.

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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 11 2023, 10:32 AM)
you should try tuning stock stabilizers first.

after-market stabilizers are used mainly because we buy parts to make boards from scratch, and there is no stock stabilizers provided. over 90% of stock stabilizers can be tuned to become better with common modifications, if done right. it's just that due to hype and marketing, some people tend to purposely boast about 'superiority' of their favorites over the others.

btw most 'innovations' in stabilizers were based on common practices in mkb community. some have been improved over the years. beside stabilizers, you can get a prepackaged pads that are used to do common modifications. these are for your convenience, you can still do the same without them. for instance, do not use band aid in a band aid mod. use other materials (e.g., ptfe, silicone, poron, with the right thickness) instead. these mods are optional and conditional. the key is always to identify actual problems first, then apply the right mods to resolve/minimize them.

of course, it's your choice. it's good to find out yourself that after-market stabilizers need tuning as well hehe
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Hmmm. Good point.
Mods with other commercially available materials are a good idea too. I’ll try that out.


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Hmmm. Good point.
Mods with other commercially available materials are a good idea too. I’ll try that out.
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yes. mods like lubing, and band aid mod are reversible. so with such tests, you can find out the right materials that you prefer for each mod. (e.g., lube type, dampening materials)

the general idea of these stabilizer mods are to make long keys feel like 1-u key when you type on them. anything unusual should be cleared, e.g., wire rattles. i hope you can learn a thing or two about other stabilizer modifications, and their purposes. this is because each solves different issues, so it's better to apply the right ones only, to help solve/minimize issues.

for instance, the purpose of band aid mod is to dampen out sound when stabilizer stems hit the pcb. however, with the wrong materials and thickness used, the typing feel of these keys can become mushy, which is not optimal.

edit: stabilizer mods can be stacked to achieve desired outcomes. but in general, the less mods applied, the better.

also, make sure the stabilizers are installed properly, because bad installation can also cause weird things to happen.

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New to MKB here.

Is it a good idea to start with Keychron k4 pro brown switch?

Or could I get better keyboard base with the money spent?
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if you're interested in silent linear switches, without mushy feel, you should try out wuque's ws, https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=691808903763

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based on the stem design, they are made by haimu. also, note that it's not compatible with cherry mx style switch opener. (at least not mine; i used tweezers to open them up)

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New to MKB here.

Is it a good idea to start with Keychron k4 pro brown switch?

Or could I get better keyboard base with the money spent?
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for beginner, keychron k4 full kit with switch hotswapping should be ok to start with.

as for value for money, no idea. however, you should look for similar options, based on what you want as features first.

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although i don't like clip-in, tx stabilizers with stoppers kind of changed my mind. they are working relatively well. i bought some more.

the pcb-mount stabs by wuque are on the way also. there are two variants, for 1.2mm and 1.6mm pcbs.

these days things are getting slow, so i just check out new stuff every few months.
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 15 2023, 11:18 AM)
for beginner, keychron k4 full kit with switch hotswapping should be ok to start with.

as for value for money, no idea. however, you should look for similar options, based on what you want as features first.

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although i don't like clip-in, tx stabilizers with stoppers kind of changed my mind. they are working relatively well. i bought some more.

the pcb-mount stabs by wuque are on the way also. there are two variants, for 1.2mm and 1.6mm pcbs.

these days things are getting slow, so i just check out new stuff every few months.
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after using the 75% aka 80/81 key m1.
i also eye-ing on 98% keyboard. gonna to use it as office keyboard to replace the tecware phantom (certain key pressed with metal sound feel annoying already)
office work cant really miss that keypad, unless i get external keypad but again external keypad also not cheap if you plan to get same mechanical style.
maybe will get barebone kit for 98%, if it exist.


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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Feb 15 2023, 11:36 AM)
after using the 75% aka 80/81 key m1.

i also eye-ing on 98% keyboard. gonna to use it as office keyboard to replace the tecware phantom (certain key pressed with metal sound feel annoying already)
office work cant really miss that keypad, unless i get external keypad but again external keypad also not cheap if you plan to get same mechanical style.
maybe will get barebone kit for 98%, if it exist.
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i see you have started to notice differences between boards. good smile.gif

for 98%, they are relatively rare compared to 60/65/75/tkl. there are a number of them, but not sure if they are still available. i think they have different layouts as well.
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maybe will get barebone kit for 98%, if it exist.
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Keychron just launched their Q5 96%.
Then there's kbdfans odin and wind x r2 is in gb with southpaw available at rebult.
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Feb 15 2023, 11:36 AM)
after using the 75% aka 80/81 key m1.
i also eye-ing on 98% keyboard. gonna to use it as office keyboard to replace the tecware phantom (certain key pressed with metal sound feel annoying already)
office work cant really miss that keypad, unless i get external keypad but again external keypad also not cheap if you plan to get same mechanical style.
maybe will get barebone kit for 98%, if it exist.
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If the Monsgeek m1 works for you, can consider the m2 if you want the numpad. No knob though.

Releasing in a week.
Thinking of getting it and pairing with some silent switches.
Either the haimu recommended above or the boba silent switches.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Feb 15 2023, 04:03 PM)
If the Monsgeek m1 works for you, can consider the m2 if you want the numpad. No knob though.

Releasing in a week.
Thinking of getting it and pairing with some silent switches.
Either the haimu recommended above or the boba silent switches.
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the m2 is 98%?...i tot m2 is TKL.
but again, if my m1 already cost 6xx. m2 surely shoooooot upward going 8xx, especially that 20+ more switches. and m2 itself priced higher doh.gif
aluminum hurt wallet:w but again, again....can consider lol:hyper:

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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 15 2023, 11:58 AM)
i see you have started to notice differences between boards. good smile.gif

for 98%, they are relatively rare compared to 60/65/75/tkl. there are a number of them, but not sure if they are still available. i think they have different layouts as well.
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actually i notice the metal noise on key, not that annoying until i get the M1 with diyshop hand lubed switches lol.
probably middle layer of it causing shaking when i press, but i not even bother to diy fix it as the switch i try to pull, it wont even came up at all.

yep, thats why 75%+numpad also in my consideration, but i personally yet seen any 'good' numpad that match with mechanical keyboard..
mostly is random usb numpad for officer+laptop user
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Feb 15 2023, 04:26 PM)
the m2 is 98%?...i tot m2 is TKL.
but again, if my m1 already cost 6xx. m2 surely shoooooot upward going 8xx, especially that 20+ more switches. and m2 itself priced higher doh.gif
aluminum hurt wallet:w  but again, again....can consider lol:hyper:
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The M2 is 96%
You can technically already buy it, but the international version is only out next week.
M2 Kit alone should cost less than USD 120 excluding shipping.
The M1 Kit only cost USD 100 by the way.
Can buy straight from the Monsgeek website.
When it comes to value for a solid aluminium keyboard.... hard to beat Monsgeek for the time being...
It is much cheaper than the Q5 or the WindX R2.

My MathewTech (Unknown China brand) Keyboard isn't too bad.
But the keyboard kit itself isn't significantly cheaper than the M2 too.
If I can choose again, I might go for the M2 over this.
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Feb 15 2023, 04:45 PM)
The M2 is 96%
You can technically already buy it, but the international version is only out next week.
M2 Kit alone should cost less than USD 120 excluding shipping.
The M1 Kit only cost USD 100 by the way.
Can buy straight from the Monsgeek website.
When it comes to value for a solid aluminium keyboard.... hard to beat Monsgeek for the time being...
It is much cheaper than the Q5 or the WindX R2.

My MathewTech (Unknown China brand) Keyboard isn't too bad.
But the keyboard kit itself isn't significantly cheaper than the M2 too.
If I can choose again, I might go for the M2 over this.
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ya. even my friend that using good keyboard say m1+greywood v3 is good combo.
m2 can consider if shop carry in with good price, as m1 i buy 320+- locally. it absolutely less than 100usd
and if i pick m2 that will be similarity on the build quality, and no need to looking for external numpad



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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Feb 15 2023, 04:30 PM)
but i personally yet seen any 'good' numpad that match with mechanical keyboard..
mostly is random usb numpad for officer+laptop user
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For readily available kits, there's the KBDPAD MarK II from KBDfans.
https://kbdfans.com/collections/kbdpad-mkii

From time to time there are also group buys but you really have to keep an eye out for them.

Personally I was previously using Keebio Sinc with 2L1P NUM:
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All done! So nice to have a (mostly) matching set. Just wish that the NUM had per key LED for a complete match.

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Now I just use Keebio Fold. My numpad is on a layer:
QUOTE(niakulah @ Jul 1 2022, 03:45 PM)
Well...after 4 days at work, I am making less and less mistakes on this board. The light springs are still a problem, but bearable. Some habits need to change. I'm getting decent typing speed already.
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And after 4 days of refinement, this is the keymap I've managed to come up with to survive this change. Hardcore fullsize fan going from 110 keys and 1 encoder to just 68 keys and 1 encoder.
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I saw the Monsgeek M1 and it looks good for my use case, wanted to try some different 75% kit, but no wireless and bluetooth is a deal breaker.

I was using the Akko PC75B previously and I need to purchase another 75% KB. Is the any recommendations that is similar to M1 in pricing, features, quality but with wireless connectivity?
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I saw the Monsgeek M1 and it looks good for my use case, wanted to try some different 75% kit, but no wireless and bluetooth is a deal breaker.

I was using the Akko PC75B previously and I need to purchase another 75% KB. Is the any recommendations that is similar to M1 in pricing, features, quality but with wireless connectivity?
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Monsgeek M1 with bluetooth is coming out next month (March)
Alternatively there is the Keychron Q1 pro.

Both are technically budget, full aluminum housing keyboards with bluetooth.
Monsgeek (akko) and keychron should be reputable enough that the Q1 pro / M1 Bluetooth shouldn't suck.
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after brief tests on the alpha area with kbd67lite r3 + ixpe switch foam, i think the mushy feel still presents in wuque's ws silent linear. however, the level of mushiness is relatively lesser than other silencing implementations.

i have compared it with silent linear switches from cherry, gateron, and durock. you should know that for cherry mx silent/pink, beside mushiness, there is inherited scratchiness.

there are ways to make a build relatively 'quiet', with normal linear switches, e.g., a plateless build with a flex-cut pcb. one of my builds is jwick black + dz60 v2. it's relatively quiet. it's a tray-mount, with a low-profile case from ymdk, that has no standoff in the middle section of the case.
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just noticed the tray-mount case maker has added zt68 case as well.

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i really hope they make copper/brass weights as alternative to fill up space for battery, or to cover the bottom case entirely with it. that will be super awesome.
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if u want to test your keyboard keys, this is a good site for that
https://www.keyboardtester.com/tester.html

basically to check for faulty keys not registering as they should.

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if u want to test your keyboard keys, this is a good site for that
https://www.keyboardtester.com/tester.html

basically to check for faulty keys not registering as they should.
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you can also use the key tester in qmk toolbox, and via (web)
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gonna to ask, is there any decent and prebuild 98% keyboard?'

PS: of course, other than keychon

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you can also use the key tester in qmk toolbox, and via (web)
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i was doing my mkb cleaning, so i left it to dry for a day, then tested that everything was working. so thats why i was using that. but i'll try yours the next time i do that smile.gif

i also used a vacuum blow drier to make sure everything is as dry as possible. i also use a hand brush with bristles to clean the keyboard.


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https://www.lowyat.net/2023/294388/razer-bl...verload-rm1149/


RM1149?

I think you can get a decent mkb for half the price already ( we aren't dying for choices in the past few years, FORTUNATELY). so what exactly are you paying extra for i wonder? confused.gif

it's important to have these types of discussions least people end up paying more than they really should have hmm.gif

the first thing i would ask, if they asking for that price, they better have decent durable lights, good keycaps and switches.

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https://www.lowyat.net/2023/294388/razer-bl...verload-rm1149/
RM1149?

I think you can get a decent mkb for half the price already ( we aren't dying for choices in the past few years, FORTUNATELY). so what exactly are you paying extra for i wonder?  confused.gif

it's important to have these types of discussions least people end up paying more than they really should have  hmm.gif

the first thing i would ask, if they asking for that price, they better have decent durable lights, good keycaps and switches.
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that pricing and no optical switches?
no offense, as the budget to mid end keyboard are performing so well,
people who buy this either rich that doesnt care, or just branding effect.

i don think razer is durable branding lol
especially when i watching the logitech G series durability going hill down. (maybe i get the lemon/jackpot about this)
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Feb 18 2023, 08:47 AM)
i was doing my mkb cleaning, so i left it to dry for a day, then tested that everything was working. so thats why i was using that. but i'll try yours the next time i do that  smile.gif

i also used a vacuum blow drier to make sure everything is as dry as possible. i also use a hand brush with bristles to clean the keyboard.
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haha yes, regular cleanups are essential to maintain hygiene, and i think it helps reducing the chance for key chattering. believe it or not, i never experience key chattering.

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https://www.lowyat.net/2023/294388/razer-bl...verload-rm1149/
RM1149?

I think you can get a decent mkb for half the price already ( we aren't dying for choices in the past few years, FORTUNATELY). so what exactly are you paying extra for i wonder?  confused.gif

it's important to have these types of discussions least people end up paying more than they really should have  hmm.gif

the first thing i would ask, if they asking for that price, they better have decent durable lights, good keycaps and switches.
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after going through its feature list briefly, i think it's meant for those who will pay for a full-size, and ideas like controlling rgb lighting for the board and wristrest, or playing games with 8000 mhz polling rate. yeah, crazy stuff.

while it uses double-shot abs keycaps, i do hope the wristrest uses durable materials as well. it would be an eye sore if they don't do that after a year or two.


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https://www.lowyat.net/2023/294388/razer-bl...verload-rm1149/
RM1149?

I think you can get a decent mkb for half the price already ( we aren't dying for choices in the past few years, FORTUNATELY). so what exactly are you paying extra for i wonder?  :confused:

it's important to have these types of discussions least people end up paying more than they really should have  hmm.gif

the first thing i would ask, if they asking for that price, they better have decent durable lights, good keycaps and switches.
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Unfortunately branding / ads is working very well for Razer. Many kids these days think that’s the end game keyboard.

Having used their optical switches (huntsman elite pro) for a pretty long time, both clicky and linear… I don’t really like the feel nor sound of it. And these 100% gaming keyboard takes up way too much desk space too.

Their double shot abs shines/smoothen out very easily. For those with razer keyboards, I highly recommend getting the pbt keycaps upgrade…. It’s actually quite decent for the price.
The wristrest has rgb…. But other than that it’s quite meh too.

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i just completed a new reference build with haimu midnight blue. this time i just use the switch as is. surprisingly it's ok. there is no obvious spring pings.

haimu midnight blue is factory-prelubed linear switch, pom-based housing, upe stem, and 18mm 2-stage 60g spring. it has a shorter key travel distance (3.5mm, like cherry mx speed/silver), with actuation point at 2mm. hence it will have early bottom-out.

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with community efforts, mkb stuff have been relatively improved for new users.

the current market is progressively replaced by prebuilts and custom kits that are relatively convenient for new users to achieve what we wished for many years ago. things like pcbs with switch hotswapping support, different layouts, pre-cut foams, and bare bone units, are meant to make the hobby more economical than before. beginners have the convenience to replace stock parts with those they are comfortable with, or choose to use foams or not, based on own preferences. there are always solderable pcbs for them to have a even solid build.

i remembered back then there were vendors that told us it's impossible for them to provide all these options in retail market, because of higher costs, warranty issues, and all other bs. however, the last time i checked i already saw them releasing hotswap models, kind of quietly.

edit: things have changed. with the continuous improvements in structural support for switch hotswapping found in recent models from different brands, we have established a relatively good starting point for everyone, so that we can tune almost everything conveniently. beside the above, areas like switches, stabilizers, and prepackaged parts for tuning, have also received practical innovations, and a number of them are always readily available. (while some of them are still playing hard to get. it's fine, because we can ignore them safely)

beginners should leverage on this new environment to explore more, at least learn to tune their boards for own long-term comforts.

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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 20 2023, 12:38 AM)
with community efforts, mkb stuff have been relatively improved for new users.

the current market is progressively replaced by prebuilts and custom kits that are relatively convenient for new users to achieve what we wished for many years ago. things like pcbs with switch hotswapping support, different layouts, pre-cut foams, and bare bone units, are meant to make the hobby more economical than before. beginners have the convenience to replace stock parts with those they are comfortable with, or choose to use foams or not, based on own preferences. there are always solderable pcbs for them to have a even solid build.

i remembered back then there were vendors that told us it's impossible for them to provide all these options in retail market, because of higher costs, warranty issues, and all other bs. however, the last time i checked i already saw them releasing hotswap models, kind of quietly.

edit: things have changed. with the continuous improvements in structural support for switch hotswapping found in recent models from different brands, we have established a relatively good starting point for everyone, so that we can tune almost everything conveniently. beside the above, areas like switches, stabilizers, and prepackaged parts for tuning, have also received practical innovations, and a number of them are always readily available. (while some of them are still playing hard to get. it's fine, because we can ignore them safely)

beginners should leverage on this new environment to explore more, at least learn to tune their boards for own long-term comforts.
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Custom kits are starting to get a lot more mainstream now.
Those keyboard shops are now packed with people.

I remember back in 2010, I was quite impressed with my friend's HHKB.
But the need to solder and the price just chased me away.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Feb 20 2023, 05:21 PM)
Custom kits are starting to get a lot more mainstream now.
Those keyboard shops are now packed with people.

I remember back in 2010, I was quite impressed with my friend's HHKB.
But the need to solder and the price just chased me away.
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yea. imagine soldering 75% aka 80~82key.
and every switch have 3 pin. oof whistling.gif


but all these 'mainstream' also grow another issue, where everyone can get product from oem and slap their own brand.
they honestly not really sure what user want, and some sh*tty final product too.
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Feb 20 2023, 05:21 PM)
Custom kits are starting to get a lot more mainstream now.
Those keyboard shops are now packed with people.

I remember back in 2010, I was quite impressed with my friend's HHKB.
But the need to solder and the price just chased me away.
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correction: the key switch in hhkb is called electrostatic-capacitive (ec), or topre switch. it doesn't need soldering.

QUOTE(josh5671 @ Feb 20 2023, 05:29 PM)
yea. imagine soldering 75% aka 80~82key.
and every switch have 3 pin. oof whistling.gif
but all these 'mainstream' also grow another issue, where everyone can get product from oem and slap their own brand.
they honestly not really sure what user want, and some sh*tty final product too.
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correction: the key switch in hhkb is called electrostatic-capacitive (ec), or topre switch. it doesn't need soldering.
another correction: for cherry mx style switches, there are only 2 pins to be soldered per switch.
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I saw my friend soldering on his hhkb back then.
Likely not the switches but some other mod/repair I guess

When I got my filco majestouch back in 2015.
I did think of changing the mx cherry browns too… but when that requires a lot of soldering, it’s not really worth the effort too.
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Feb 21 2023, 08:51 AM)
I saw my friend soldering on his hhkb back then.
Likely not the switches but some other mod/repair I guess

When I got my filco majestouch back in 2015.
I did think of changing the mx cherry browns too… but when that requires a lot of soldering, it’s not really worth the effort too.
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ok i got it now. there are custom builds with hhkb layout as well.

right, it's a relatively cumbersome process to modify existing soldered commercial boards. many got stuck at the initial stage, which is switch desoldering, mainly due to inexperience, bad tools, that led to bad outcomes. if only they chose to build their own, they would learn that switch soldering and desoldering are actually the simplest of all in a typical build process.

like i said before, the differences between modifying existing commercial prebuilts and building their own boards have been brought up many times by seniors, but no one actually understood what they meant.
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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 21 2023, 08:12 AM)
correction: the key switch in hhkb is called electrostatic-capacitive (ec), or topre switch. it doesn't need soldering.
another correction: for cherry mx style switches, there are only 2 pins to be soldered per switch.
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my bad.
technically only 2 'conductive pin' for 3pin and 5 pin switch. (this literally take me a while to figure out that day)
the other 'pin' is plastic pin for positioning.

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Feb 21 2023, 11:56 AM)
my bad.
technically only 2 'conductive pin' for 3pin and 5 pin switch. (this literally take me a while to figure out that day)
the other 'pin' is plastic pin for positioning.
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correct. just pick the proper basics up along the way.

a lot of things are simple in this hobby. it's just that there were too many misleading hypes and information that caused these simple things to become complex.

truths will be revealed when you know enough basics.






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QUOTE(horns @ Feb 21 2023, 12:34 PM)
correct. just pick the proper basics up along the way.

a lot of things are simple in this hobby. it's just that there were too many misleading hypes and information that caused these simple things to become complex.

truths will be revealed when you know enough basics.
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learned quite a lot, even that day yet buy the keyboard.

i think i mentioned before i buy new keyboard actually due to the tecware keyboard is 3pin.
so most of the chinese branded 5 pin switch cant fit (unless i physically remove the 2 plastic pin)



now planning get fullsize/98% for office, planning for monsgeek M2, the thock feeling on M1 really impressed me whistling.gif

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Feb 21 2023, 12:48 PM)
learned quite a lot, even that day yet buy the keyboard.

i think i mentioned before i buy new keyboard actually due to the tecware keyboard is 3pin.
so most of the chinese branded 5 pin switch cant fit (unless i physically remove the 2 plastic pin)
now planning get fullsize/98% for office, planning for monsgeek M2, the thock feeling on M1 really impressed me whistling.gif
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right, for hotswap boards, it's better to get those with pcbs that support 5-pin switches. in terms of switch sockets, choose kailh or gateron, because replacement sockets are already available.

you always have the option to cut the side pins off to fit. it's actually part of basic switch modifications, if you must do so.

i prefer 5-pin mainly, so i just pick boards/kits with the pcbs that support 5-pin switches.

in short, after you know more about parts that you wanna put into a mechanical keyboard, you will have a list of items to pick and get, and leave others alone when they don't meet your needs. the same list can also be used to choose prebuilts/custom kits.
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in terms of switch lube, krytox gpl is still unmatched for its wide range of viscosity, the ability to mix relatively well with any member of the same series, and availability. as for the shelf life, it depends on viscosity imo (thinner ones evaporate relatively faster)

gpl stands for general-purpose lubricants. usually we use 10x/20x series, i.e., from 100 to 107 for oil; 200 to 207 for grease. note that not all are food grade.

there are other gpl series, e.g., 21x, 22x, etc. that might not be suitable for use on plastic housings.

there are plenty of alternatives of pfpe/ptfe oil/grease like krytox gpl. they just don't have the above advantages. you can still use them as is, if you want. (read the specifications first to make sure that it's safe to use)
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I am currently a Ducky DK9008 Shine 2 user (I think purchased around 2013~2014)... Current looking for a new tenkeyless mechanical keyboard, any recommendations? smile.gif

Wireless would be nice to keep the desk clean.

How is Keychron? And the Gateron G Pro vs Cherry MX?

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why so .. complicated

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in terms of switch lube, krytox gpl is still unmatched for its wide range of viscosity, the ability to mix relatively well with any member of the same series, and availability. as for the shelf life, it depends on viscosity imo (thinner ones evaporate relatively faster)

gpl stands for general-purpose lubricants. usually we use 10x/20x series, i.e., from 100 to 107 for oil; 200 to 207 for grease. note that not all are food grade.

there are other gpl series, e.g., 21x, 22x, etc. that might not be suitable for use on plastic housings.

there are plenty of alternatives of pfpe/ptfe oil/grease like krytox gpl. they just don't have the above advantages. you can still use them as is, if you want. (read the specifications first to make sure that it's safe to use)
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er i wrote those down to remind people we always have choices; a lot of choices actually. they affect switch feel and sound differently.

.. but yeah you can simplify it to just 'use whatever you like'. it's up to you smile.gif

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OnePlus Malaysia is bringing in the mechanical Keyboard 81 Pro in Q2 2023

https://soyacincau.com/2023/02/27/oneplus-m...pro-in-q2-2023/

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The OnePlus Featuring Keyboard 81 Pro is already visible on OnePlus’s Malaysian website. It appears that only the Winter Bonfire model with tactile switches and PBT keycaps will be offered for sale here.


https://www.oneplus.com/my/product/oneplus-...keyboard-81-pro

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I make this comment before clicking in.
I already 'see' fancy pricing from oneplus.
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I like the design of the height adjusting stand only.
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I already 'see' fancy pricing from oneplus.
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it will be fancy ....
there is still no price also for Q1 Pro where Oneplus borrow the tech?
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it will be fancy ....
there is still no price also for Q1 Pro where Oneplus borrow the tech?
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Kickstarter for it was around USD174 for the barebones kit.
On keychron website, it’s around that pricing too.


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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 1 2023, 11:10 AM)
Kickstarter for it was around USD174 for the barebones kit.
On keychron website, it’s around that pricing too.
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Most likely OP keyboard might be a bit cheap or not sweat.gif whistling.gif
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My order for the M2 monsgeek kit just arrived.
Some issues with the screw in stabilizers though.
The shift and enter key are a bit "sticky"
Once press down it doesn't come up...
This only occur when the keycaps are installed all the way down.


Not sure if I overlube it... or it's a stabilizer issue.

Changing stablizers seems like a major pain in the butt though.
Need to remove keycaps, switches, and lots of screws..

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 1 2023, 11:17 PM)
My order for the M2 monsgeek kit just arrived.
Some issues with the screw in stabilizers though.
The shift and enter key are a bit "sticky"
Once press down it doesn't come up...
This only occur when the keycaps are installed all the way down.
Not sure if I overlube it... or it's a stabilizer issue.

Changing stablizers seems like a major pain in the butt though.
Need to remove keycaps, switches, and lots of screws..
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patience is key when it comes to mkb tuning. it needs a bit of planning too. you should do it during weekends. tear everything down first, then do it at your own pace.

for a typical build process, hotswap or not, i normally start with stabilizer tuning, install them on pcb (for screw-in stabs; make sure they sit flush), put on switches and key caps then spam to see the stabs behave correctly.

'sticky' stabilizers usually mean bad installation of stabilizers. overlubing doesn't cause that.

yes, bad screw-in stabs take time to fix. that's why we always make sure they work properly first before we assemble the rest.
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patience is key when it comes to mkb tuning. it needs a bit of planning too. you should do it during weekends. tear everything down first, then do it at your own pace.

for a typical build process, hotswap or not, i normally start with stabilizer tuning, install them on pcb (for screw-in stabs; make sure they sit flush), put on switches and key caps then spam to see the stabs behave correctly.

'sticky' stabilizers usually mean bad installation of stabilizers. overlubing doesn't cause that.

yes, bad screw-in stabs take time to fix. that's why we always make sure they work properly first before we assemble the rest.
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Thanks for the advice.
Looks like I got work cut out this weekend then.

My previous boards are all plate mounted and I never really had this problem. Well it’s always nice to try something new… and the solving process.
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 2 2023, 12:59 AM)
Thanks for the advice.
Looks like I got work cut out this weekend then.

My previous boards are all plate mounted and I never really had this problem. Well it’s always nice to try something new… and the solving process.
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pcb-mount stabilizers don't have such an issue too.

check if:
1. wire tips are in the right hole of stabilizer sliders;
2. wires are secured properly;
3. stabilizer sliders are installed at the right directions;
4. screws are not overtightened.

or simply, just take the stabilizers apart and redo installation.

normally this kind of issues are localized. they are related to parts involved only. there are other possibilities:
1. switches with weak springs; or
2. key caps, e.g., key cap walls being too thick, or warped.

but these are relatively less likely to happen.
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pcb-mount stabilizers don't have such an issue too.

check if:
1. wire tips are in the right hole of stabilizer sliders;
2. wires are secured properly;
3. stabilizer sliders are installed at the right directions;
4. screws are not overtightened.

or simply, just take the stabilizers apart and redo installation.

normally this kind of issues are localized. they are related to parts involved only. there are other possibilities:
1. switches with weak springs; or
2. key caps, e.g., key cap walls being too thick, or warped.

but these are relatively less likely to happen.
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Thanks for the tips.
I tried swapping the switches and keycaps. Same issue.
There is a layer of EVA dampener between the pcb board and switch. It’s also a whole piece, rather than individual pieces for each slot. So the stabilizers are in contact with those. not sure if that might be causing it too.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 2 2023, 09:42 AM)
Thanks for the tips.
I tried swapping the switches and keycaps. Same issue.
There is a layer of EVA dampener between the pcb board and switch. It’s also a whole piece, rather than individual pieces for each slot. So the stabilizers are in contact with those.  not sure if that might be causing it too.
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i put pre-cut ixpe/poron/eva sheets between switches and pcb also.

normally they don't affect stabs, unless they are in the way due to bad installs, causing stabs to not sitting flush on pcb.

edit: foams are optional mods. they produce some good effects, but they might also make every board to feel and sound the same. it's a bonus that they are included, but this doesn't mean you must use them.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 1 2023, 11:17 PM)
My order for the M2 monsgeek kit just arrived.
Some issues with the screw in stabilizers though.
The shift and enter key are a bit "sticky"
Once press down it doesn't come up...
This only occur when the keycaps are installed all the way down.
Not sure if I overlube it... or it's a stabilizer issue.

Changing stablizers seems like a major pain in the butt though.
Need to remove keycaps, switches, and lots of screws..
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yep. the ESC section really will sink super hard if you didnt mod it..
thats one of the reason i yet slap money into mkb shop lol

and remove the stab really need unscrew everything. can said need to dissemble the keyboard totally whistling.gif



thats why i now researching if there got other 96%/98% keyboard
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Mar 2 2023, 12:18 PM)
yep. the ESC section really will sink super hard if you didnt mod it..
thats one of the reason i yet slap money into mkb shop lol

and remove the stab really need unscrew everything. can said need to dissemble the keyboard totally  whistling.gif
thats why i now researching if there got other 96%/98% keyboard
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in the case of pcb-mount stabilizers in plated builds, a full teardown is usually required to apply fixes properly. that's also why we make sure every key with stabs work accordingly first, before soldering/assembly.

plate-mount stabilizers are much easier to maintain.

however, well-tuned/installed pcb-mount stabilizers will work fine for as long as they can, even if you swap key caps frequently. the key is just to be patient, and remove long key caps gently during the process.
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note that these new dmk bow jp red/blue key cap sets are pbt dye-sub, not abs double-/triple-shot.

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it's no wonder it feels just like thick pbt to me. it IS thick pbt.

edit: apparently i missed the texts on the images hahaha

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 1 2023, 11:17 PM)
My order for the M2 monsgeek kit just arrived.
Some issues with the screw in stabilizers though.
The shift and enter key are a bit "sticky"
Once press down it doesn't come up...
This only occur when the keycaps are installed all the way down.
Not sure if I overlube it... or it's a stabilizer issue.

Changing stablizers seems like a major pain in the butt though.
Need to remove keycaps, switches, and lots of screws..
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I was looking forward to buying a M2 for my office. Darn. Seems like I may need to settle for a V5 or Q5 from keychron.
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I was looking forward to buying a M2 for my office. Darn. Seems like I may need to settle for a V5 or Q5 from keychron.
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bangwall.gif same...slightly painful as keychron base color too plain
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I was looking forward to buying a M2 for my office. Darn. Seems like I may need to settle for a V5 or Q5 from keychron.
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I don’t think it’s the keyboard’s fault.
Likely it’s the issue with my installation.

It’s unlike the gmmk pro where they overlubed it until it’s overflowing and then the stabilizers are just sticky.

Anyway, I’m just waiting for my durock stabilizers to arrive and I’ll try to do it. Stock stabilizer will likely work well too, but I’m not taking any chances. It’s a pain to disassemble the whole part.
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 3 2023, 12:55 PM)
I don’t think it’s the keyboard’s fault.
Likely it’s the issue with my installation.

It’s unlike the gmmk pro where they overlubed it until it’s overflowing and then the stabilizers are just sticky.

Anyway, I’m just waiting for my durock stabilizers to arrive and I’ll try to do it. Stock stabilizer will likely work well too, but I’m not taking any chances. It’s a pain to disassemble the whole part.
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update us after you try to fix. interesting to know the result.
also, press your M2 ESC key area, it doesnt sink? whistling.gif
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update us after you try to fix. interesting to know the result.
also, press your M2 ESC key area, it doesnt sink?  whistling.gif
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Nope. Don’t really have that issue.
There is a lot of foam below the pcb that’s pushing the whole board by quite a bit.
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 3 2023, 04:06 PM)
Nope. Don’t really have that issue.
There is a lot of foam below the pcb that’s pushing the whole board by quite a bit.
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serious?...mind to share what keycap you using?
because most of the keycap i see/fav, its like not shine through type.
plus the M2 is south RGB make that much more worse
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serious?...mind to share what keycap you using?
because most of the keycap i see/fav, its like not shine through type.
plus the M2 is south RGB make that much more worse
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Even my m1 doesn’t have that issue.
M1 using those side profile keycaps that allow rgb extremely well. In fact south facing is better than north facing for that.

M2 is for my wife. Using some knockoff GMK keycaps.
No rgb. But not much issue either.

My durocks will likely arrive next week.
So likely can only try to fix it next weekend.

The m1 I got was the China / local version where they actually pre installed the stabilizers too. The m2 international version was completely disassembled with lots of stuff. (A lot more foams and even sticker for tape mod).
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 3 2023, 05:29 PM)
Even my m1 doesn’t have that issue.
M1 using those side profile keycaps that allow rgb extremely well. In fact south facing is better than north facing for that.

M2 is for my wife. Using some knockoff GMK keycaps.
No rgb. But not much issue either.

My durocks will likely arrive next week.
So likely can only try to fix it next weekend.

The m1 I got was the China / local version where they actually pre installed the stabilizers too. The m2 international version was completely disassembled with lots of stuff. (A lot more foams and even sticker for tape mod).
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because my M1 using Darling The Franx themed keycap it blocked the rgb...barely to see the rgb on 45 degree (the M1 rgb itself is bright enough, just my keycap blocked it)
do you mind to share side print or side shine through keycap?



btw, what color M2 you going ?
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Guys, if you treasure your rgb, you should not get a pcb with south facing led. If that were the case, side backlit keycaps are your only option. I know of only 2 sets available:
YMDK in black or white, cherry or oem profile
(These are not good, the shinethrough is uneven, thin keycaps)
Kbdfans in black (slightly better than ymdk, i believe they are oos and discon, i have 1set and the caps lock is senget which drove me crazy)

Again. If you dun touch type and want to see legends in a dark room, go buy a pcb with north facing led.

This is a public service announcement.
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QUOTE(krayden @ Mar 3 2023, 09:56 PM)
Guys, if you treasure your rgb, you should not get a pcb with south facing led. If that were the case, side backlit keycaps are your only option. I know of only 2 sets available:
YMDK in black or white, cherry or oem profile
(These are not good, the shinethrough is uneven, thin keycaps)
Kbdfans in black (slightly better than ymdk, i believe they are oos and discon, i have 1set and the caps lock is senget which drove me crazy)

Again. If you dun touch type and want to see legends in a dark room, go buy a pcb with north facing led.

This is a public service announcement.
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ahaha. I understood that before purchasing M1
actually I didnt think its rgb actually so bright, and my keycap not shine through causing it 'leak' though keycap gap directly into eyes.




keychon V5,Q5 south facing too bangwall.gif



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QUOTE(krayden @ Mar 3 2023, 09:56 PM)
Guys, if you treasure your rgb, you should not get a pcb with south facing led. If that were the case, side backlit keycaps are your only option. I know of only 2 sets available:
YMDK in black or white, cherry or oem profile
(These are not good, the shinethrough is uneven, thin keycaps)
Kbdfans in black (slightly better than ymdk, i believe they are oos and discon, i have 1set and the caps lock is senget which drove me crazy)

Again. If you dun touch type and want to see legends in a dark room, go buy a pcb with north facing led.

This is a public service announcement.
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rgb is a marketing gimmick. it brings nothing but a mess to us. it's a part on the pcb that doesn't improve typing experience, but we have to fix it just because of the pure eye sore when it fails.

from my observatios, there are multiple issues about keycaps with shine-through legends:
1. choices are limited, e.g., profiles, designs, colorways, materials.
2. quality is questionable.
3. conflicts everywhere.

by default, due to cherry mx style switch design, per-key rgb led is north facing. this might be due to a design decision to prevent user discomfort when the rgb is south facing. however, north facing led also means multiple things:
1. in order to maximize shine-through effects, legends/sub legends are best to be located at the top side of each key, e.g. corsair's thick double-shot pbt. this has become keycap design issue.
2. north facing key switches cause incompatibility to key cap profiles, like cherry profile (at home row).

logitech's romer-g attempted to solve the issue of the led placement, but failed, because their key stems are not compatible with 99.99% of after-market cherry mx style key caps.

edit: i'm ok with pcbs that come with them. i just turn them off since day one. see? it's useless to me.

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because my M1 using Darling The Franx themed keycap it blocked the rgb...barely to see the rgb on 45 degree (the M1 rgb itself is bright enough, just my keycap blocked it)
do you mind to share side print or side shine through keycap?
btw, what color M2 you going ?
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Got the M2 Black.
But now that I think about it, the M2 lilac looks good too.

I'm using JKDK keycaps.
Side profile keycaps with RGB shinethrough.
You can find it on shopee
Doubleshot PBT, thickness around 1.4mm thick

This all works out for me.
I do need RGB sometimes (dark room)
I sometimes use Cherry keycaps (though not an issue with Akko switches)
and I do prefer side profile more.
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via-2.2.0 was released, https://github.com/the-via/releases/releases/tag/v2.2.0

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Fixed the stabilizer issue.
Basically just swap out the stock stabilizers for durock stabilizer.

Durock stabilizers were a bit rattly.
Did the holee mod and used lots of lube.

Problem solved.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 4 2023, 11:01 PM)
Fixed the stabilizer issue.
Basically just swap out the stock stabilizers for durock stabilizer.

Durock stabilizers were a bit rattly.
Did the holee mod and used lots of lube.

Problem solved.
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yes, durock stabs usually need hole mod + lube to behave.
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note that the current via app is just a wrapper to access https://usevia.app/ (use ms.edge or g.chrome)

found an issue just now: if you put either or both of these two configurations in rules.mk of your custom keymaps, set the value to NO, you will be greeted by an infinite loading screen in via.

BACKLIGHT_ENABLE
RGBLIGHT_ENABLE

i use them to remove qmk's backlight and rgb underglow features entirely from firmware. the other configurations are fine.


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a lot of people forget the fact that via is an addon that brings convenience to beginners. if you have a qmk-powered pcb, you are still fine by sticking to qmk only.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 5 2023, 03:18 PM)
note that the current via app is just a wrapper to access

found an issue just now: if you put either or both of these two configurations in rules.mk of your custom keymaps, set the value to NO, you will be greeted by an infinite loading screen in via.

BACKLIGHT_ENABLE
RGBLIGHT_ENABLE

i use them to remove qmk's backlight and rgb underglow features entirely from firmware. the other configurations are fine.
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a lot of people forget the fact that via is an addon that brings convenience to beginners. if you have a qmk-powered pcb, you are still fine by sticking to qmk only.
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how you manage to solve the infinite loading screen? just in case happen to others
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 5 2023, 03:18 PM)
note that the current via app is just a wrapper to access https://usevia.app/ (use ms.edge or g.chrome)

found an issue just now: if you put either or both of these two configurations in rules.mk of your custom keymaps, set the value to NO, you will be greeted by an infinite loading screen in via.

BACKLIGHT_ENABLE
RGBLIGHT_ENABLE

i use them to remove qmk's backlight and rgb underglow features entirely from firmware. the other configurations are fine.
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a lot of people forget the fact that via is an addon that brings convenience to beginners. if you have a qmk-powered pcb, you are still fine by sticking to qmk only.
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monsgeek M1 support VIA right?. but the via app never detect keyboard.... rclxub.gif
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how you manage to solve the infinite loading screen? just in case happen to others
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update: via just updated the ui to have a new 'warnings/errors' tab. now you can see errors that caused issues with it.

for dz60v2, since BACKLIGHT_ENABLE is set to NO in stock info.json, it shows the 'warnings/errors' tab, but now it can load the keymap configuration screen properly. (and it works fine)

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previously i just removed the settings from my custom keymap's rules.mk. this will make sure newly compiled firmware to use stock values of these settings in rules.mk or info.json in the top-level keyboard directory instead.

you can always keep these settings if you're not using via.

edit: by the way, the development qmk source for dz60v2 is at https://github.com/moyi4681/qmk_firmware/tr...ds/dztech/dz60/ (moyi4681 is the current developer for kbdfans' pcbs)

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monsgeek M1 support VIA right?. but the via app never detect keyboard.... rclxub.gif
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monsgeek's boards are still in the process to get passed in qmk:
- m1 - https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/pull/19799 (development source: https://github.com/jonylee1986/qmk_firmware...ds/monsgeek/m1)
- m2 - https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/pull/19853 (development source: https://github.com/jonylee1986/qmk_firmware...ds/monsgeek/m2)

via can only be updated after the qmk source codes get approved.

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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 7 2023, 03:11 PM)
monsgeek's boards are still in the process to get passed in qmk:
- m1 - https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/pull/19799 (development source: https://github.com/jonylee1986/qmk_firmware...ds/monsgeek/m1)
- m2 - https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/pull/19853 (development source: https://github.com/jonylee1986/qmk_firmware...ds/monsgeek/m2)

via can only be updated after the qmk source codes get approved.
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its weird to write support QMK & VIA like keychron while the code write in recent days.... doh.gif
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Mar 7 2023, 03:24 PM)
its weird to write support QMK & VIA like keychron while the code write in recent days....  doh.gif
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many are like that. for instance, previously many keychron models need json sideloading to use via.

edit: also, there are sellers who sell qmk-enabled pcbs, but they can provide firmware binary + sideloading json only. i normally skip them.

in qmk, there are useful features to me, that never get enabled in such stock firmware, e.g., winlock key, so that i can press fn + win to enable/disable it. you cannot do single-key implementation with via.

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i need help... my keychron k3 battery seems like can longer last more 1 hour, i tried asked MKB in subang, they do not offer battery replacement service. Anyone have contact who able to help?
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i need help... my keychron k3 battery seems like can longer last more 1 hour, i tried asked MKB in subang, they do not offer battery replacement service. Anyone have contact who able to help?
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Just open the keyboard and replace it yourself?
I have a k4 so should not be too different from k3.
Whole process should take less than 10 -15 minutes and it’s quite straightforward.

Remove the keycaps.
Remove the screws for the top mount.
The battery would just be below the PCB board.
K3 doesn’t have any foam so it’s quite straightforward.

They use those typical flat lithium battery. Get the model and buy one of similar size online. Should be plug and play in most cases.
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QUOTE(blur19755 @ Mar 8 2023, 12:31 AM)
i need help... my keychron k3 battery seems like can longer last more 1 hour, i tried asked MKB in subang, they do not offer battery replacement service. Anyone have contact who able to help?
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you meant to say the shop sells battery, but just don't offer replacement service?

there are other ways to get help:
1. find out from the seller who sold you the board;
2. use google to find out to see if there are users replace/upgrade battery before;
3. find out keychron malaysia contact at fb etc to see if they can help to find replacement for you;
4. join keychron fb page to see if there are users who replace battery before;
5. contact keychron directly to see if they can help.

or, you can help yourself, i.e. check the serial number, specs, dimension, etc. of stock battery, and find it at taobao/aliexpress.

edit: ok our friend have already shared his experience also smile.gif

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found a source for generic gasket-mount 60% cases, https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=692648630349

it's a plain and simple case.

as of this writing, the default top plates included are pc, with two layouts, i.e., 61-key and 64-key (gk64 style). each layout have a different cutout to support plate-mount and pcb-mount stabilizers, so be sure to mention your choices properly.

later they will release aluminum top plates, and hopefully with other materials also, e.g., pom, brass, cf, and fr4.

i have bought some, with plates that are of 64-key layout and support both stabilizers.

so far, i have already collected 3 of the common plate-mounting styles for 64-key 60%: generic tray-mount, top-mount (discontinued), and now gasket-mount.

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Skyloong recently release their GK series.
especially GK980 literally tick all my requirement. maybe will get one.

*local seller yet carry in.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 8 2023, 09:46 AM)
you meant to say the shop sells battery, but just don't offer replacement service?

there are other ways to get help:
1. find out from the seller who sold you the board;
2. use google to find out to see if there are users replace/upgrade battery before;
3. find out keychron malaysia contact at fb etc to see if they can help to find replacement for you;
4. join keychron fb page to see if there are users who replace battery before;
5. contact keychron directly to see if they can help.

or, you can help yourself, i.e. check the serial number, specs, dimension, etc. of stock battery, and find it at taobao/aliexpress.

edit: ok our friend have already shared his experience also smile.gif
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i bought direct from US official web last year feb, as local resellers all no stock.
guess i have to really try to explore on opening it myself to check on the model.
Anyway, thanks for the effort on answering.
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QUOTE(blur19755 @ Mar 8 2023, 06:14 PM)
i bought direct from US official web last year feb, as local resellers all no stock.
guess i have to really try to explore on opening it myself to check on the model.
Anyway, thanks for the effort on answering.
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you're welcome.

yes i think you should explore more. here's the video for a full teardown of a keychron k3
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hi all sifus. I am new to Custom KB. Just got myself a Keychron Q6, was wondering is there any good keyboard bag you guys can recommend? I tried shopee, doesnt seem to have the right size for my KB lol
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hi all sifus. I am new to Custom KB. Just got myself a Keychron Q6, was wondering is there any good keyboard bag you guys can recommend? I tried shopee, doesnt seem to have the right size for my KB lol
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Me also new to keyboard. just a month plus.
Can directly tell you local shop have quite limited choice, especially you never see recent release product.
or some hot product from china.

btw, you gonna going full size aluminum gasket keyboard? if that is the main objective, you will be limited to few selection only (unless you go 1K+ for barebone)
as i have same idea before getting my current monsgeek m1, 75% 80 keys.

suggest looking on V5/Q5, 96/98%?
I personally looking on another keyboard with that layout + sink down arrow key(with separation)
if the delete key on top of backspace 'lagi' better, as i in office (using full size) keep pressing its F12 for delete as on my M1.... doh.gif
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Mar 9 2023, 01:05 AM)
Me also new to keyboard. just a month plus.
Can directly tell you local shop have quite limited choice, especially you never see recent release product.
or some hot product from china.

btw, you gonna going full size aluminum gasket keyboard? if that is the main objective, you will be limited to few selection only (unless you go 1K+ for barebone)
as i have same idea before getting my current monsgeek m1, 75% 80 keys.

suggest looking on V5/Q5, 96/98%?
I personally looking on another keyboard with that layout + sink down arrow key(with separation)
if the delete key on top of backspace 'lagi' better, as i in office (using full size) keep pressing its F12 for delete as on my M1.... doh.gif
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Yo yeah, i got mine for less than 2 weeks lol.

I dont know how it works but basically, i buy the Q6 board, switches are Geon x Haimu White Tactile Switch, and some OEM keycap.

Yeah i prefer the full KB coz im using it for work too, using the keypad quite often (excels)

The place that i buy my KB has a keyboard case/bag for Q6, but i dont really like the design lol so was hoping if anyone can share some models or link to those nicer ones.
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QUOTE(blur19755 @ Mar 8 2023, 06:14 PM)
i bought direct from US official web last year feb, as local resellers all no stock.
guess i have to really try to explore on opening it myself to check on the model.
Anyway, thanks for the effort on answering.
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To save time. You don’t need to remove the switches.
Just the keycaps to access the screws.
Also, they have quite a number of screws. Once all are removed, the pcb should just fall off. Be careful not to damage the usb c port on the side.

While you’re at it (and if you’re interested).
Might as well cut and add some foam and/or a tape mod to your pcb. Takes less than 10 minutes and it does reduce the hollow sound of the K series keychron.

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i just realized all boards in my office have switches with lighter linear rated springs, e.g., sp-star meteor white, 57g; jwick black v1, 58.5.g.

it's no wonder when i type on cherry mx red at home (60g) it feels slightly 'heavy'.

imo sp-star meteor white's housings are relatively 'softer' than jwick black's. both are full nylon. it's most probably due to different chemical compositions.

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i got my k3 v2 opened and checked, to take out the battery, should i use heatgun or hairdryer to do the work? cause it seems tightly stick to the board?
in case anyone asking the model of battery : 3032130 3.7v 5.7Wh 1550mAh 21 KYT.

now i need to go lookup for the battery.... if anyone have good reference to get battery, do let me know.
thanks!
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i got my k3 v2 opened and checked, to take out the battery, should i use heatgun or hairdryer to do the work? cause it seems tightly stick to the board?
in case anyone asking the model of battery  : 3032130 3.7v 5.7Wh 1550mAh 21 KYT.

now i need to go lookup for the battery.... if anyone have good reference to get battery, do let me know.
thanks!
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Lithium battery can be quite dangerous if you puncture it. I would recommend removing it outside... in case it catch flame.
I would use 100% ethanol to try to dissolve the adhesive.
As for hairdryer.... maybe can try heating from the back. Don't blow it directly to the battery.

I can't seem to find the exact same battery model.
But a battery with similar voltage (3.7V), with similar dimension might be quite common.

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Lithium battery can be quite dangerous if you puncture it. I would recommend removing it outside... in case it catch flame.
I would use 100% ethanol to try to dissolve the adhesive.
As for hairdryer.... maybe can try heating from the back. Don't blow it directly to the battery.

I can't seem to find the exact same battery model.
But a battery with similar voltage (3.7V), with similar dimension might be quite common.
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thanks for the idea for removal.... i will try it out...

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10050052087...id=pmorfYBz36yN
this is the closest thing i could find in internet, any thoughts?
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Got it colour coded for the rest of her setup too.

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Akko CS Lavender Purple, factory lubed.
JKDK PBT keycaps. OEM, Side Profile.
Durock V2 stabs, lubed with permatex 22058.
Used all the foams provided (Case foam + additional precut foam)
Tape modded, used my own painter's tape rather than the provided sheet of tape.

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Trying to build one (for real) gamakey lk67. https://shp.ee/teunb9u (not ads)

Is this good for begineer build? (my m1 not completely assemble by myself)
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Trying to build one (for real) gamakey lk67.
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You're taking a jump into the rabbit hole.
I suggest you skip all the budget boards because they will not exceed your M1. You'll be underwhelmed and quit (which might be a good thing).

If you want something cheap because you wanna try building and are afraid you might muck up something, let me assure you that keyboard kits are very robust. I haven't killed a board so far.

So I reckon you should start with minimum a qk or zoom hotswap. They have regular GB every few months. Those builds will let you explore foams. Buy single switches and stab sets to test. And then go from there. Can even get used kits but only if its below launch prices.

Dun buy every hype thing you see. If you miss a GB there will be another one.

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You're taking a jump into the rabbit hole.
I suggest you skip all the budget boards because they will not exceed your M1. You'll be underwhelmed and quit (which might be a good thing).

If you want something cheap because you wanna try building and are afraid you might muck up something, let me assure you that keyboard kits are very robust. I haven't killed a board so far.

So I reckon you should start with minimum a qk or zoom hotswap. They have regular GB every few months. Those builds will let you explore foams. Buy single switches and stab sets to test. And then go from there. Can even get used kits but only if its below launch prices.

Dun buy every hype thing you see. If you miss a GB there will be another one.
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Ahaha. Agree, but i not sure i jump into rabbit hole or not as i plan to get a good keyboard for my office.
Now planning small layour with external numpad (leobog k21 for now)

Surely this LK67 wont beat my M1 on every aspect.
Even my friend early 2022 that cost 700+ say my m1 is good.


Btw, what is GB and QK you mentioned?
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Mar 13 2023, 06:41 PM)
Btw, what is GB and QK you mentioned?
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QK= qwertkeys
They make qk60, qk65, qk75, qk80
https://www.rebultkeyboards.com/collections/qk80

Gb= groupbuy
Pay now, wait few months for the kit.
Or 3yrs for gmk keycaps

All the good stuff is normally on GB.
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QUOTE(krayden @ Mar 13 2023, 08:49 PM)
QK= qwertkeys
They make qk60, qk65, qk75, qk80
https://www.rebultkeyboards.com/collections/qk80

Gb= groupbuy
Pay now, wait few months for the kit.
Or 3yrs for gmk keycaps

All the good stuff is normally on GB.
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I see. both short word now make sense.
but i less likely go groupbuy or preorder for some item.
mostly just what i able to get. locally if possible. (not really wanna go deep in the keyboard. just experience it enough for me)
also the price will make me get another M1 and numpad combo for much cheaper price. or just straight buy logitech mx series keyboard.

I wanna to go LK67 literally just my friend got night sakura keycap (not sure ori or clone) ready and free for me
i just get the keyboard enjoy the build, maybe learn some basic tweak like lube or something else on it.
then sent that to office use.
so far all 'planning' yet buy anything. whistling.gif

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Mar 13 2023, 09:57 PM)
I see. both short word now make sense.
but i less likely go groupbuy or preorder for some item.
mostly just what i able to get. locally if possible. (not really wanna go deep in the keyboard. just experience it enough for me)
also the price will make me get another M1 and numpad combo for much cheaper price. or just straight buy logitech mx series keyboard.

I wanna to go LK67 literally just my friend got night sakura keycap (not sure ori or clone) ready and free for me
i just get the keyboard enjoy the build, maybe learn some basic tweak like lube or something else on it.
then sent that to office use.
so far all 'planning' yet buy anything. whistling.gif
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Another good keyboard with numpad is the windx r2
But the group buy just ended 2 weeks ago.

Can keep an eye out for future purchase I guess.
It’s also much more expensive than the Monsgeek.
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 14 2023, 02:19 PM)
Another good keyboard with numpad is the windx r2
But the group buy just ended 2 weeks ago.

Can keep an eye out for future purchase I guess.
It’s also much more expensive than the Monsgeek.
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Thats a real 'keyboard'. Slightly too expensive.


My requirement for office actually a bit special, due to my job not always need numpad, but surely there days per month need numpad.

Hence at first i looking for 98% like monsgeek M2, Xinmeng X98(mass production keyboard) , Keychron Q5.
Then i realize if i go that route, will be no different to get standard 104 key layout.

Then now i looking into 75% and lower, combo with external numpad like Leobog K21.
So normal days i will keep numpad in drawer, until it needed..

(still thinking pro and con between these two solutions, not rushing for new keyboard at all)

Also try to test more budget keyboard and how it perform.

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Mar 14 2023, 03:23 PM)
Thats a real 'keyboard'. Slightly too expensive.
My requirement for office actually a bit special, due to my job not always need numpad, but surely there days per month need numpad.

Hence at first i looking for 98% like monsgeek M2, Xinmeng X98(mass production keyboard) , Keychron Q5.
Then i realize if i go that route, will be no different to get standard 104 key layout.

Then now i looking into 75% and lower, combo with external numpad like Leobog K21.
So normal days i will keep numpad in drawer, until it needed..

(still thinking pro and con between these two solutions, not rushing for new keyboard at all)

Also try to test more budget keyboard and how it perform.
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I recently just build a ciy tester 68 for a friend too.
It’s literally the cheapest keyboard kit in the market.
Since I have extra keycaps and switches, tot of just using those.

It’s important to manage expectations for such a cheap kit.
But as I’m not getting this to replace my Monsgeek, that’s alright.

Ciy tester 68 (white).
- placed sheet of 3mm butyl rubber at the base to reduce hollowness
- tape mod
- lubed the plate mount stabilizers
- using Ktt mints (lubed). I think I might have slightly over lube it…. But it still feels and sound good.
- black on white Japanese font keycaps.

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I recently just build a ciy tester 68 for a friend too.
It’s literally the cheapest keyboard kit in the market.
Since I have extra keycaps and switches, tot of just using those.

It’s important to manage expectations for such a cheap kit.
But as I’m not getting this to replace my Monsgeek, that’s alright.

Ciy tester 68 (white).
- placed butyl sheet of rubber at the base to reduce hollowness
- tape mode
- lubed the plate mount stabilizers
- using Ktt mints (lubed). I think I might have slightly over lube it…. But it still feels and sound good. 
- black on white Japanese font keycaps.
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the CIY tester series and their new novice series also in my list.
but i doubt i will get it now as it completely build from zero and need basic lube etc to make it 'ok-ish'
where i am not totally ready for that. whistling.gif




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the CIY tester series and their new novice series also in my list.
but i doubt i will get it now as it completely build from zero and need basic lube etc to make it 'ok-ish'
where i am not totally ready for that. whistling.gif
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Lubing the switches is actually quite simple.
Way easier than I thought lol.
Just buy a switch opener and some krytox.
And it’s also quite hard to overlube until the switch gets super mushy.

And for the stabilizers. I just dunk the end of the wire in dielectric grease. Fast fix that just remove all ticking.

Total cost is less than RM300.
(Keycaps, switches, keyboard kit).
But it’s way better (sound and feel) than any prebuilt keyboard at that price.

The next board I wanna build might be an Alice board haha.

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like @krayden suggested, it's better to skip all budget boards, because they are very less likely to feel or sound better, compared to boards with hefty metal cases.

it's fine to keep one or two to remind you about the wrong decisions, or to let you practice more about tuning. however i think it's better not to overspend on them.

also, for units that i use for switch break-ins, i usually use metal plates. it's easier to install/remove switches, especially if you don't follow the proper ways of switch installation.

QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 15 2023, 11:32 AM)
Lubing the switches is actually quite simple.
Way easier than I thought lol.
Just buy a switch opener and some krytox.
And it’s also quite hard to overlube until the switch gets super mushy.

And for the stabilizers. I just dunk the end of the wire in dielectric grease. Fast fix that just remove all ticking.

Total cost is less than RM300. 
(Keycaps, switches, keyboard kit).
But it’s way better (sound and feel) than any prebuilt keyboard at that price.

The next board I wanna build might be an Alice board haha.
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you're damn right it's hard to overlube switches, especially when you use lube like krytox gpl 205g0.

yes, the improvements are real. that's why for users with hotswap boards, it's just sad to see them not doing anything to help themselves hehe

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 15 2023, 11:32 AM)
Lubing the switches is actually quite simple.
Way easier than I thought lol.
Just buy a switch opener and some krytox.
And it’s also quite hard to overlube until the switch gets super mushy.

And for the stabilizers. I just dunk the end of the wire in dielectric grease. Fast fix that just remove all ticking.

Total cost is less than RM300. 
(Keycaps, switches, keyboard kit).
But it’s way better (sound and feel) than any prebuilt keyboard at that price.

The next board I wanna build might be an Alice board haha.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 15 2023, 11:46 AM)
like @krayden suggested, it's better to skip all budget boards, because they are very less likely to feel or sound better, compared to boards with hefty metal cases.

it's fine to keep one or two to remind you about the wrong decisions, or to let you practice more about tuning. however i think it's better not to overspend on them.

also, for units that i use for switch break-ins, i usually use metal plates. it's easier to install/remove switches, especially if you don't follow the proper ways of switch installation.
you're damn right it's hard to overlube switches, especially when you use lube like krytox gpl 205g0.

yes, the improvements are real. that's why for users with hotswap boards, it's just sad to see them not doing anything to help themselves hehe
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Hmm easy to do. Then i will try to buy some stock switch and do it myself.



For the kit, probably will wait CIY Novice 84. (depend on situation)

So for now, if gonna to buy all these:
Krytox, dielectric grease
Switch opener
What else?

And,
Krytox i need how much? For dielectric grease direct buy one tube? (toothpaste style)
For the switch, if switch coming is small slice of fac prelube. I need clean it off or straight apply krytox on top of it.
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Hmm easy to do. Then i will try to buy some stock switch and do it myself.
For the kit, probably will wait CIY Novice 84. (depend on situation)

So for now, if gonna to buy all these:
Krytox, dielectric grease
Switch opener
What else?

And,
Krytox i need how much? For dielectric grease direct buy one tube? (toothpaste style)
For the switch, if switch coming is small slice of fac prelube. I need clean it off or straight apply krytox on top of it.
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Don’t get switches with factory lube if you want to lube.
Some like those from haimu have quite a lot of lube and a pain to remove.

Also lubing has the biggest difference in cheaper linear switches. I would recommend to go for those.
Lubing tactiles is a bit more tedious if you want to keep the tactile feel.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 15 2023, 12:43 PM)
Don’t get switches with factory lube if you want to lube.
Some like those from haimu have quite a lot of lube and a pain to remove.

Also lubing has the biggest difference in cheaper linear switches. I would recommend to go for those.
Lubing tactiles is a bit more tedious if you want to keep the tactile feel.
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I see. but nowday mostly cheap switch already coming with thin layer of factory lub.
like the greywood v3 on my m1, either it full stock, or already hand lubed. (because i dont know, yet)

for me i will get another set of greywood for office keyboard too. maybe i can try lube it?

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I see. but nowday mostly cheap switch already coming with thin layer of factory lub.
like the greywood v3 on my m1, either it full stock, or already hand lubed. (because i dont know, yet)

for me i will get another set of greywood for office keyboard too.  maybe i can try lube it?
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There are still a lot of other switches which isn’t lubed (through factory lube might be an option.)
Can check out switches by KTT or Akko.

But like what others have mentioned.
You’ve to control your expectations.
A plastic board is going to sound different than a metal board.



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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 15 2023, 01:02 PM)
There are still a lot of other switches which isn’t lubed (through factory lube might be an option.)
Can check out switches by KTT or Akko.
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ahha. maybe my definition of cheap switch is really cheap. so far didnt take a look on switch that go over 1.5 per switch whistling.gif
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ahha. maybe my definition of cheap switch is really cheap. so far didnt take a look on switch that go over 1.5 per switch whistling.gif
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KTT cost less than Rm1 per switch.
Same goes for Akko

Can find on shopee. KTT selling for 10 pieces for less than rm10. Or 45 pieces for less than RM45 for Akko.

So they are really cheap budget switches.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 15 2023, 01:19 PM)
KTT cost less than Rm1 per switch.
Same goes for Akko

Can find on shopee. KTT selling for 10 pieces for less than rm10. Or 45 pieces for less than RM45 for Akko.

So they are really cheap budget switches.
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there got too much switch, that spec the same only different branding. thats why i not even sure 'siape pukul siape'
so i limit my choice that wont flop
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there got too much switch, that spec the same only different branding. thats why i not even sure 'siape pukul siape'
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Well… if this is for the Ciy cheap kit, might as well just try out new switches too.

I believe most Akko or KTT switches are of acceptable standard. Since they’re widely available, there are plenty of reviews too.

At the very least, they’re miles better than gateron or cherry blue/red/browns in terms of sound and feel.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 15 2023, 01:51 PM)
Well… if this is for the Ciy cheap kit, might as well just try out new switches too.

I believe most Akko or KTT switches are of acceptable standard. Since they’re widely available, there are plenty of reviews too.

At the very least, they’re miles better than gateron or cherry blue/red/browns in terms of sound and feel.
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agree too, the geteron red switch on my phantom really bad,
alot of them stuck cant even pull off from the keyboard.


later i take a look Akko and KTT entry switch
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technically, unless specified otherwise, all mx style switches are lubed lightly, to provide a very thin protection layer to minimize oxidation of metal parts, e.g., copper leaf.

to remove lube from switches, you can use q-tip + ipa, or q-tip only. the key is to remove excess of lube. i just clean stems and bottom housings. pay attention to rails of bottom housings, and both sides of stems that are in contact with rails.

you can use more thorough methods, like ultrasonic cleaning. however, the outcomes are the same to me. ultrasonic cleaning is useful if you're cleaning up very old switches.

nowadays, there are switches that are prelubed relatively well, e.g., gateron cj, and oil king. you might wanna lube their springs only.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 15 2023, 03:41 PM)
technically, unless specified otherwise, all mx style switches are lubed lightly, to provide a very thin protection layer to minimize oxidation of metal parts, e.g., copper leaf.

to remove lube from switches, you can use q-tip + ipa, or q-tip only. the key is to remove excess of lube. i just clean stems and bottom housings. pay attention to rails of bottom housings, and both sides of stems that are in contact with rails.

you can use more thorough methods, like ultrasonic cleaning. however, the outcomes are the same to me. ultrasonic cleaning is useful if you're cleaning up very old switches.

nowadays, there are switches that are prelubed relatively well, e.g., gateron cj, and oil king. you might wanna lube their springs only.
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1 question.

How i recognize the fac lube is fine but spring need to extra lube? Or vice versa?

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1 question.

How i recognize the fac lube is fine but spring need to extra lube? Or vice versa?
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by typing on the switches. that's why we put new stock switches on a hotswap board, and type on them for a week or two. it's a brief break-in, but at the same time, we also check to see if we like them stock, or need to do it our ways.

however, no matter what, at least lube the springs.

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imo, to check switches for weird feels/sound properly, you need a reference switch to start, preferably, a stock switch. this means you are familiar with this switch, and you know its strenghs and weaknesses. you can choose any switch as reference, but it's better to use common ones.

with it, now you have something to compare to.

the simplest way to do such checks is to do side-by-side comparisons:
- when new switches come, put some on the alphas area, on the same board. since you're doing comparisons on the same board, you minimize potential deviation issues, caused by different boards.
- just by typing on them, you should be able to find out the differences, e.g., feels, key sound, etc.

this way, you will have clearer pictures about the new switch, in comparison to your reference.

tbh, when you go deeper into the hobby, you will find first-hand experience is important, and own preference is king, since we are from all walks of life, different builds, different habits, different preferences, different tolerance levels, etc.

only doing things the right ways can help you find out the right combos for yourself.
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Mar 15 2023, 04:45 PM)
1 question.

How i recognize the fac lube is fine but spring need to extra lube? Or vice versa?
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Lubing springs is really really easy.
Put all the springs in a small zip lock bag. Put some lube in the bag.
Then shake like shaker fries.

Yeah it’s the lazy method … but it works lol.
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Lubing springs is really really easy.
Put all the springs in a small zip lock bag. Put some lube in the bag.
Then shake like shaker fries.

Yeah it’s the lazy method … but it works lol.
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asked few people and they all doing zip bag style.
but which lube so oily that can do it? normal 205g0?
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 15 2023, 07:13 PM)
imo, to check switches for weird feels/sound properly, you need a reference switch to start, preferably, a stock switch. this means you are familiar with this switch, and you know its strenghs and weaknesses. you can choose any switch as reference, but it's better to use common ones.

with it, now you have something to compare to.

the simplest way to do such checks is to do side-by-side comparisons:
- when new switches come, put some on the alphas area, on the same board. since you're doing comparisons on the same board, you minimize potential deviation issues, caused by different boards.
- just by typing on them, you should be able to find out the differences, e.g., feels, key sound, etc.

this way, you will have clearer pictures about the new switch, in comparison to your reference.

tbh, when you go deeper into the hobby, you will find first-hand experience is important, and own preference is king, since we are from all walks of life, different builds, different habits, different preferences, different tolerance levels, etc.

only doing things the right ways can help you find out the right combos for yourself.
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since every kit produce different 'thock' sound.
now my plan is, get a CIY tester/ LK67 as previous, and some stock greywood switch(where my main keyboard using lubed) + also few other brand switch.
so i can test stock and after lube feeling on one keyboard.

keyboard kit and switches first.. then later follow up with lube tool (maybe i feel no different stock and lubed leh? lol)
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asked few people and they all doing zip bag style.
but which lube so oily that can do it? normal 205g0?
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Mar 16 2023, 10:37 AM)
since every kit produce different 'thock' sound.
now my plan is, get a CIY tester/ LK67 as previous, and some stock greywood switch(where my main keyboard using lubed) + also few other brand switch.
so i can test stock and after lube feeling on one keyboard.

keyboard kit and switches first.. then later follow up with lube tool (maybe i feel no different stock and lubed leh? lol)
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yes, the outcomes (e.g., feels, sound profiles) are always the results of the combination of all parts and modifications applied in a board.

nowadays, it's really possible for you to stump upon something that you like, because things have changed a lot. whatever that can be commercially made are almost covered, especially key switches.

you should know that switch break-in and lubing were originally introduced to improve scratchy cherry mx. this was when cherry mx was still mainstream many years ago, and gateron, kailh, outemu did not exist yet. until today, they still hold that title when they are stock, despite improvements that have been made so far. build qualities wise, they also have proven records for being top-notch in durability and reliability.

on the other hand, when you know more about lubes, there are a number of uses with them, beside making switches smooth.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 16 2023, 11:00 AM)
Yeah. 205g0 works well.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 16 2023, 12:44 PM)
yes, the outcomes (e.g., feels, sound profiles) are always the results of the combination of all parts and modifications applied in a board.

nowadays, it's really possible for you to stomp upon something that you like, because things have changed a lot. whatever that can be commercially made are almost covered, especially key switches.

you should know that switch break-in and lubing were originally introduced to improve scratchy cherry mx. this was when cherry mx was still mainstream many years ago, and gateron, kailh, outemu did not exist yet. until today, they still hold that title when they are stock, despite improvements that have been made so far. build qualities wise, they also have proven records for being top-notch in durability and reliability.

on the other hand, when you know more about lubes, there are a number of uses with them, beside making switches smooth.
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Yea, thing improve so much like the base kit now coming with basic form etc. Some even come with fully equiped form. (ofc slightly low quality one, compare to self diy form)


Also i found mg75 kit only cost 100+ish and no rgb(office no need)
And most important, same layout with my M1 WITH DELETE KEY TOP OF BACKSPACE.

Me still have a lot thing to learn. Day by day understand more thing about this 'hobby'
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Mar 16 2023, 01:49 PM)
Yea, thing improve so much like the base kit now coming with basic form etc. Some even come with fully equiped form. (ofc slightly low quality one, compare to self diy form)
Also i found mg75 kit only cost 100+ish and no rgb(office no need)
And most important, same layout with my M1 WITH DELETE KEY TOP OF BACKSPACE.

Me still have a lot thing to learn. Day by day understand more thing about this 'hobby'
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yeah. back then, options were limited, parts were hard to get, let alone asking for things like quality.

now, hotswap kits are everywhere, all-in-one, and cheap some more. options for parts increased by many folds, overall qualities improved, and are readily available.

switch hotswapping support was a good move. although earliest generations of hotswap boards were bad in many areas, improvements have been made progressively, so new generations are relatively better, and richer in choices.

at least it allows everyone to have the convenience to adjust their boards for own comforts. that alone is a good quality improvement already, and the right reason why we should get a mechanical keyboard.

just pick things up at your own pace, and stop when you wanna stop.
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this is the upcoming stabilizers from gmk, pcb-mount, screw-in. housings and sliders are made of abs plastic.

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it's available at https://kbdfans.com/products/qmx-stabilizers and many other places.

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the gasket-mount 60% cases have arrived.

the weight of the case is slightly over 1kg, with most of it from the bottom case. this is better, because it will produce lesser case pings. i also cover it with a 1mm-thick poron foam.

there is a space for battery, which i fill it with more poron foams. at the bottom there is an engraving, BGKYPRO. i guess that's the brand of this generic kit.

for the first build, i use stock jwk jade rabbit, pc plate, without plate/switch foams. recent jwk releases only require spring lubing, if you liked the stock spring type and weight. everything else is ok to me.

hence, as of this writing, generic cases for those who are interested in generic 60% builds:
1. zt60, tray-mount; and
2. bgkypro, gasket-mount.

both cases are relatively hefty, so they help to make builds that can produce 'cleaner' key travels/lesser vibrations. for tray-mount builds, i suggest the use of gummy o-ring to secure pcb to achieve similar typing feels. imo, tray-mount no-foam builds are ok with this mounting style, as o-rings help absorb most of the vibrations when typing.

previously, there was a top-mount case for generic 60%, that has similar qualities. however, it's out of stock, and the seller doesn't have the intention to restock.

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Mar 16 2023, 01:49 PM)
And most important, same layout with my M1 WITH DELETE KEY TOP OF BACKSPACE.
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Just to share. I went from die die have to have a 100% full size keyboard, to split 75% plus numpad, and now to split ortho 65%Edit:correction it's a 60% (Keebio FoldKB).

How I cope with lack of dedicated Del key. I use QMK's combo keys, sometimes called chords. Backspace+Equal = DEL. These 2 keys are just next to each other. I go further with Shift-Delete to permanently delete files in Windows Explorer. Backspace+Minus = Shift-DEL.

The relevant code below:

const uint16_t PROGMEM test_combo6[] = {KC_MINS, KC_BSPC, COMBO_END};
const uint16_t PROGMEM test_combo7[] = {KC_EQL, KC_BSPC, COMBO_END};
combo_t key_combos[COMBO_COUNT] = {
COMBO(test_combo6, LSFT(KC_DEL)),
COMBO(test_combo7, KC_DEL),
}

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QUOTE(niakulah @ Mar 20 2023, 12:17 PM)
Just to share. I went from die die have to have a 100% full size keyboard, to split 75% plus numpad, and now to split ortho 65%.

How I cope with lack of dedicated Del key. I use QMK's combo keys, sometimes called chords. Backspace+Equal = DEL. These 2 keys are just next to each other. I go further with Shift-Delete to permanently delete files in Windows Explorer. Backspace+Minus = Shift-DEL.

The relevant code below:

const uint16_t PROGMEM test_combo6[] = {KC_MINS,  KC_BSPC, COMBO_END};
const uint16_t PROGMEM test_combo7[] = {KC_EQL,  KC_BSPC, COMBO_END};
combo_t key_combos[COMBO_COUNT] = {
COMBO(test_combo6, LSFT(KC_DEL)),
COMBO(test_combo7, KC_DEL),
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yep, i literally same thinking, if you have read my post before i buy M1 whistling.gif
but once i get M1. i found out M1's 75% kinda suit me for daily drive (gaming the most and slightly office)


hence getting MG75 planning for office use, and maybe will get numpad later if needed
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Mar 20 2023, 12:17 PM)
Just to share. I went from die die have to have a 100% full size keyboard, to split 75% plus numpad, and now to split ortho 65%.

How I cope with lack of dedicated Del key. I use QMK's combo keys, sometimes called chords. Backspace+Equal = DEL. These 2 keys are just next to each other. I go further with Shift-Delete to permanently delete files in Windows Explorer. Backspace+Minus = Shift-DEL.

The relevant code below:
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thanks for the share.

yes, our boards get smaller eventually. there are many untouched keys in my full-size, tkl and 75%. that's also why i skip everything that is more than 75% most of the times, unless they are meant for collection purposes.

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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 20 2023, 01:27 PM)
thanks for the share.

yes, our boards get smaller eventually. there are many untouched keys in my full-size, tkl and 75%. that's also why i skip everything that is more than 75% most of the times, unless they are meant for collection purposes.
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Those unused keys.. can it be set to custom command?
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Those unused keys.. can it be set to custom command?
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yes, they can be set to custom commands.

however, 60%, with layers, are more than enough to support my daily work.
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jwk jade rabbit:
- a 5-pin linear switch;
- p3 stem, pc switch top, bottom housing with 'special' nylon mix;
- 18mm 60g 2-stage spring;
- comes with light diffuser plastic, but i don't use it;
- short key travel (3.5mm; like haimu midnight blue).

the bottom-out sound is different from the usual nylon housings. with pc plate, it's relatively loud and high-pitched. the bottom housing is relatively harder than cherry mx's and sp-meteor white's imo

recent releases of jwk custom switches just need spring lubing to minimize potential spring pings. other than that, there is not much to complain about, based on my preferences (no switch top wobbles, relatively lesser stem wobbles, smooth)

although it uses 2-stage springs, 18mm is still relatively lighter than 22mm, especially the starting force. it's a light linear switch to me.
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Just placed the order for the QK80.

Went with a POM plate this time.
Wanted to try something different (not PC) and FR4 / Alu would be too high pitch for me.

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 23 2023, 11:26 AM)
Just placed the order for the QK80.

Went with a POM plate this time.
Wanted to try something different (not PC) and FR4 / Alu would be too high pitch for me.
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this comparison chart was extracted from one of the videos by keybored.

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right, it's better to try out different materials. the typing feel and sound definitely change based on plate materials.

edit: here are more recent revisions of charts.

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i hope in near future vendors can provide a complete set of plate choices with common plate materials. imo these are one of the good spin-offs for them and their users.

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MG75 arrived, with clone night sakura (i think clone)
good color combo and wont too eye catching if using in office

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Mar 23 2023, 12:29 PM)
MG75 arrived, with clone night sakura (i think clone)
good color combo and wont too eye catching if using in office
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sweet. right, it's an oem profile clone, but as long as you like it then it's good enough.

i think you should try out different key caps progressively, e.g., different profiles/materials, original or not, so that you can identify the differences, in terms of feel, sound, and qualities.

key caps play a big part on typing feel and sound. for certain builds, i choose thinner caps so that i can have the feels that i like. using thicker caps doesn't result in the same thing.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 23 2023, 02:55 PM)
sweet. right, it's an oem profile clone, but as long as you like it then it's good enough.

i think you should try out different key caps progressively, e.g., different profiles/materials, original or not, so that you can identify the differences, in terms of feel, sound, and qualities.

key caps play a big part on typing feel and sound. for certain builds, i choose thinner caps so that i can have the feels that i like. using thicker caps doesn't result in the same thing.
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definitely.
Even tho its clone PBT keycap, the text is sharp. especially text color is consistent and clean.
Cant complain too much on this RM4x keycap.
Actually, I wanna to buy RM150+- Akko ASA keycap black rose, when i decide to order...it sold out lol

this keyboard actually sound hollow (ofc it sh*t sound,it just got thin layer foam under pcb), need get something to fillin the bottom of pcb, maybe the switch pad too.
i buy the form cut by myself. or just get the standard 75% form; or get full set monsgeek M1's foam?\



*PS: now tested the switch too, the graywood v3 on my M1 surely lubed, feel much smooth than this stock fac lub. will plan to learn lube later (if got time)
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Mar 23 2023, 03:26 PM)
definitely.
Even tho its clone PBT keycap, the text is sharp. especially text color is consistent and clean.
Cant complain too much on this RM4x keycap.
Actually, I wanna to buy RM150+- Akko ASA keycap black rose, when i decide to order...it sold out lol

this keyboard actually sound hollow (ofc it sh*t sound,it just got thin layer foam under pcb), need get something to fillin the bottom of pcb, maybe the switch pad too.
i buy the form cut by myself. or just get the standard 75% form; or get full set monsgeek M1's foam?\
*PS: now tested the switch too, the graywood v3 on my M1 surely lubed, feel much smooth than this stock fac lub. will plan to learn lube later (if got time)
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You can try a few different things and experiment for yourself.
I started getting custom keyboards about the same time as you too and some mods are really quite easy.

I actually got some butyl rubber sheets (2-3mm thick) online, and it is really really cheap.
The rubber sheets are rather tough but flexible rubber. I just cut it to fill the gaps on the bottom case and then I lay the provided foam above it.

Also, the tape mod / tempest tape mod should help too if you want that thocky sound.

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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 23 2023, 11:40 AM)
this comparison chart was extracted from one of the videos by keybored.

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right, it's better to try out different materials. the typing feel and sound definitely change based on plate materials.

edit: here are more recent revisions of charts.

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i hope in near future vendors can provide a complete set of plate choices with common plate materials. imo these are one of the good spin-offs for them and their users.
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Nice vid. Thanks for sharing. Too bad there wasn't an acrylic plate in the mix. I would have loved to hear how POM compares to acrylic since that's what I'm using now.
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Mar 24 2023, 09:01 AM)
Nice vid. Thanks for sharing. Too bad there wasn't an acrylic plate in the mix. I would have loved to hear how POM compares to acrylic since that's what I'm using now.
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i suspect acrylic is not used commonly as plate material because it's brittle. right, for science, they should have included it as well.

edit: the charts are useful to help those who like sound to choose the right plate materials for desired sound profles.

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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 24 2023, 10:01 AM)
i suspect acrylic is not used commonly as plate material because it's brittle. right, for science, they should have included it as well.

edit: the charts are useful to help those who like sound to choose the right plate materials for desired sound profles.
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Yes. I read that as well. That's why many people make their acrylic plates 3mm or thicker. I myself opted for double plates. So I made a 1.5mm normal plate. Then a 3mm plate underneath for support. Which had the added advantage of not needing much foam. The sides of my switches are almost entirely enclosed in acrylic. I just have PE foam between switch and PCB.
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Mar 24 2023, 10:56 AM)
Yes. I read that as well. That's why many people make their acrylic plates 3mm or thicker. I myself opted for double plates. So I made a 1.5mm normal plate. Then a 3mm plate underneath for support. Which had the added advantage of not needing much foam. The sides of my switches are almost entirely enclosed in acrylic. I just have PE foam between switch and PCB.
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sweet smile.gif

i think it's a solid build. i have one with 5-mm thick pc plate with modded cherry mx hg black. i need a refresh later, as i forgot how it feels like hehe
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sweet smile.gif

i think it's a solid build. i have one with 5-mm thick pc plate with modded cherry mx hg black. i need a refresh later, as i forgot how it feels like hehe
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Wow! Never encountered 5mm PC before. Where did you get it? Or was it custom made?

Since PC is able to flex without breaking, unlike acrylic, you can supposedly use normal 1.5mm thickness. I tried it myself but for some reason the laser cutter I was using would not cut the material properly. And the amount of toxic smoke was scaring me as well. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(niakulah @ Mar 24 2023, 03:47 PM)
Wow! Never encountered 5mm PC before. Where did you get it? Or was it custom made?

Since PC is able to flex without breaking, unlike acrylic, you can supposedly use normal 1.5mm thickness. I tried it myself but for some reason the laser cutter I was using would not cut the material properly. And the amount of toxic smoke was scaring me as well.  sweat.gif
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i got them here, https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=624095832642 (64-key layout mainly)

yes, pc plates can still flex even it's 5mm thick haha

i don't need to cut my own plates, yet. the 64-key layout is still popular for now.
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Switching my M1 to that second set of keycap(yep..i accidentally buy 2). not much diff on tying feeling.
but due to the clone night sakura is OEM height, its a bit catch on palm especially M1 has no stand. (plan to use for days, might be switch back to my cherry height Darling keycap... )


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https://shopee.com.my/Thunderobot-KL3089-Me...212.18172634594
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look nice
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only problem...typing with that numpad, you need use thumb to press entry?.. or arrow down?


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used few days of MG75, now i try dismantle it.
trying to upgrade its 500mah battery to 800~1000mah, realistically its battery space quite limited
and found this JST style of plug, not kaki wiring
need somebody to help me recognize this is JST-PH or JST-ZH? (ofc if got link to bigger battery the better)
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Mar 25 2023, 06:58 PM)
used few days of MG75, now i try dismantle it.
trying to upgrade its 500mah battery to 800~1000mah, realistically its battery space quite limited
and found this JST style of plug, not kaki wiring
need somebody to help me recognize this is JST-PH or JST-ZH? (ofc if got link to bigger battery the better)
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I believe the difference is the centre to side pin distance. You have to measure that.

Either way, I feel upgrading the battery for the MG75 isn’t really needed.
How long did the battery last? I would assume it’ll last quite a while since it has no RGB.
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Mar 25 2023, 10:12 AM)
first time seeing this layout (with numpad)
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no, this layout is not new.

by now, i believe most usable layouts that we can think of are already in the market. it's just that most people are more comfortable with mainstream layouts.

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