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post Dec 22 2022, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Dec 22 2022, 12:08 AM)
I saw that news as well and was thinking, really curious to feel how to use a KB that has a display underneath it.
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post Jan 4 2023, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(quarantined @ Jan 3 2023, 06:02 PM)
I replaced my 6 year old Corsair K65 with a Keychron V1 recently while done some researching over the holidays.

Gotta say this hobby is fun and rewarding, also seems not too costly nowadays. Kind of relaxing to mod boards while listen to youtube/podcast.

Was at MKB store the other day (not opening) and the store was packed!
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post Jan 5 2023, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Jan 5 2023, 11:46 AM)
Hello guys, need some help.

I saw my colleague using Keychron K6 and I'm starting to fall in love. And I plan to get one. However, Keychron has way so many model, ( Q, K, C) and range with various number 1,2,3, etc .

So its a bit hard for me as well as take a really long time to research each and everyone of them. I am fine with/without keypad. And as long the item is best buck. I am fine. Kindly suggest any good model for me to make some comparison.

Or if there is any better keyboard other than Keychron, feel free to share with me. Thanks!
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post Feb 16 2023, 10:57 AM

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I saw the Monsgeek M1 and it looks good for my use case, wanted to try some different 75% kit, but no wireless and bluetooth is a deal breaker.

I was using the Akko PC75B previously and I need to purchase another 75% KB. Is the any recommendations that is similar to M1 in pricing, features, quality but with wireless connectivity?
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post Apr 23 2023, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Apr 19 2023, 12:27 PM)
Eih...MG108 same like MG75 no RGB..then i might be confuse about M5 and MG108 then.
Planning using for some time later maybe will switch out budget MMD holy panda, its too wobble....
i think i might aim for RM2+- tactile switch...try get something good that no need keep 'upgrading'
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For the MMD holy pandas, you mentioned too wobblly, what switch are you comparing it to?
Wobble means keycaps will move in the x and y dierection when we
I compared the MMD holy pandas to the like of U4T, SP star magic girl, Dareu violet gold, the wobble is similar.
My Akko purple jelly with those dustproof stem is significantly less wobble.

I was deciding of switching out the Akko purple jelly due to the push feel is slightly light, was thinking of changing all to the MMDs.

Did you have any tactiles swtiches in mind to replace your MMDs?
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post Apr 25 2023, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Apr 24 2023, 09:47 AM)
I’m not sure about the mmd holy panda switch.
But my feker panda has less wobble than the gateron yellow pro.
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Probably I would get some of those feker panda to test it out.
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post Apr 25 2023, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Apr 25 2023, 09:00 AM)
Just FYI, feker panda do need to be lubed.
When I was reassembling the switches, they fit rather tight as well. Don’t think switch films are needed.
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BTW, where did you source the Feker Panda's from?
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post Apr 25 2023, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 25 2023, 05:32 PM)
mkb mecha if you want to personally try a mkb before buying from shopee



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It is too far. lol. People in klang valley shoudl try out keyboards there.
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post Apr 26 2023, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(LegendLee @ Mar 10 2023, 02:52 PM)
M2 Keyboard for my Wife setup is finally done as the keycaps just arrived.
Got it colour coded for the rest of her setup too.

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Monsgeek M2
Akko CS Lavender Purple, factory lubed.
JKDK PBT keycaps. OEM, Side Profile.
Durock V2 stabs, lubed with permatex 22058.
Used all the foams provided (Case foam + additional precut foam)
Tape modded, used my own painter's tape rather than the provided sheet of tape.
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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 23 2023, 02:55 PM)
sweet. right, it's an oem profile clone, but as long as you like it then it's good enough.

i think you should try out different key caps progressively, e.g., different profiles/materials, original or not, so that you can identify the differences, in terms of feel, sound, and qualities.

key caps play a big part on typing feel and sound. for certain builds, i choose thinner caps so that i can have the feels that i like. using thicker caps doesn't result in the same thing.
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Hi Guys, sorry to kacau you a bit. Where do you source your keycaps from?
I check around some places are offering those expensive keycaps and some like in shopee don't provide clear information.
My budget max ~RM200

I'm trying to look for thick keycaps with cherry profile. It is just I cannot buy different types and try them out.

What I have used before:
1. Stock Akko ASA profile keycaps that come with the PC75B. Surface is too small.
2. Cheap OEM profile, those RM10 - RM20 type.
3. GMK Clone, market as cherry profile, but received as OEM profile. RM 80
4. Mickey XDA profile. RM170.

Thanks.

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post Apr 26 2023, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(josh5671 @ Apr 26 2023, 12:34 PM)
*not a pro

Since you already own Akko ASA. why not try survey their Akko cherry type keycap.
they make a lot decent keycap, some time same color scheme and design appear in both cherry and ASA too.
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I never thought of them. In my mind I always equate Akko with ASA profile, my bad.
Thanks for the input
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post Apr 26 2023, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 26 2023, 01:41 PM)
i get my sets from various places:
1. drop, e.g., gmk wob might be the cheapest base set that you can get; stock will be refreshed from time to time iinm;
2. zfrontier, there are some gmk, jtk key cap sets;
3. taobao, e.g.,  kbdfans (epbt, pbtfans; their international site offers gmk sets, and they have a shopee store), domikey, shenpo;
4. mymm, i.e., mech market fb group of mymkb.

i usually stick to gmk, jtk, domikey, epbt, pbtfans, for relatively better qc. shenpo sometimes have issues as well, athough it's relatively rare. there are many other brands that are 'praised' for good qualities, but i never try them before.

based on your budget, you can try search for 'shenpo' at shopee. they make dye-sub sets with thick pbt blanks. as long as the shop is selling genuine sets from shenpo, it's ok to get them.
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Thanks very much for your input, I saw shenpo previously in your previous post. I will start with that.

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post Apr 29 2023, 10:53 PM

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I'm currently daily driving a Akko PC75B Plus 75% KB. It is quite a nice one and being tinkering with it slowly over the pass few months whenever I have the time for it, like testing some other tactiles switches, lubing those Akko Jelly purples, tape mode, case foam...etc... Recently I made the time to rectify the ticking sound of the stabs. I solved the issue with the holee mod using those cloth plaster.

I have also a Fuhlen TKL blue clicky switch that is annoying to my family member whenever I'm using it. lolx.

In the office I'm just using a full size tecware phantom keyboard that I lubed and film those Outemu brown during MCO. This can be thought of as my first real experience of "modding" a mechanical keyboard. Ever since this experience, I have been reading and watching material regrading this mechanical keyboard hobby.

I have tried using a couple of KB sizes like 60%, 75%, TKL and the full size for my daily routine and have come to like the size and layout of the TKL.
Currently I'm trying to get a good metal case TKL keyboard to play around with as I have never used a metal case before.

I was thinking if it is good to start at a lower tier KB like the Monsgeek M3 or dircetly buying a more expensive KB something like the Geon Frog TKL/Glacier80. Totally no idea here as I do not know if the difference in price does translate to a noticeable difference in the quality, sound, typing feel etc that would justify it. I don't really care for the aesthetic if it does not contribute to the sound/feel/functionality of the keyboard.

Anyone has any thoughts on this? Would really appreciate any help here.

Sorry for the long post above.
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post Apr 30 2023, 08:39 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 30 2023, 12:59 AM)
yes, it's time smile.gif

i suggest you go for m3 first, then frog tkl or something like that at later stages. however, it's really up to you to choose, based on what you plan to do with them.

first, you should check out their specifications, options and price, e.g., from the specs, m3 is 2kg. eventhough it doesn't have additional weight options, it gives you enough mass to have better typing feels for starter. it's a gasket-mount-only. in terms of plate types, you have fr4 and pom for now. with the bundle of various foams, you can experiment more combinations also.

again, i believe you can do the same with frog tkl, plus multiple plate-mounting options, and brass weights (which might help in making nice sound)
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Why I even consider to get a >RM1K KB is I would not want to "waste" additional money to get a entry level metal KB like the m3 if there is a significant difference by stepping up to a higher end KB.
I'm planning to get a custom TKL to daily use it and tinker with it as I go along.

I'm trying to ask you guys here as you guys do have more experience in comparing lower vs higher end KBs. My curiousness comes from if the additional cost of a "higher" end KB is due tot he aesthetics, rather then the typing feel, sound. Like putting a very nice engraving on the bottom of the KB or even on the inside of the KB is not important to me.

I equate it to a something like, when you have not use a OLED monitor, you will feel that a IPS LCD monitor is really good coming from a previous TN panel.
But if you have the budget to get a OLED monitor, you would not need to waste additional money first by getting a IPS LCD monitor.

In this example, the additional cost of the OLED monitor is does produce a significant visual improvement that would "justify" it.
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post May 2 2023, 08:14 PM

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I saw people recommending using milmax 0305 to make those soldered only PCB to a hotswappable PCB
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post May 2 2023, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ May 2 2023, 08:48 PM)
yes, i believe 0305 is the model of choice for the purpose, since it's like almost everyone is using it.

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we know we will get attracted to nice-looking stuff, but to appy this to springs is really pointless.

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these springs have shady specifications, with no information of weight deviations. again. they are more expensive than tx's, which have stringent qc.

this is just madness.
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Where did you get those colored springs, from Taobao?
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post May 3 2023, 07:23 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ May 3 2023, 12:55 AM)
yes, i found them at taobao. i didn't get them.

for after-market custom springs, it's better to stick to tx and sprit for better weight consistency, and overall value for money. custom springs are not cheap. a brief check and you will find out despite strict qc to maintain +-1g deviation for tx springs (110 units per pack), they are still relatively cheaper than cn-made springs from famous brands like durock or ttc (100 units per pack).
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Generally I see people recommending using TX stabs as well. I recently bought a FLCMMK stabs in shopee that was advertised as no holee mod needed. After using it, I found out it is not true and I did have to do the holee mod to get rid of the ticking.

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QUOTE(horns @ May 3 2023, 11:12 AM)
yes tx stabs are popular, because it's like with built-in holee mod. it supports pcb-mount only. fl-cmmk is plate-mount.

well, it's true. i don't apply holee mod to fl-cmmk stabs also, and they work fine. first, check and make sure the stabilizer housings are installed properly, sitting flush on the plate; second, make sure there is no housing wobbles after it's installed. (in short, check the installation) i lube all my stabs. note that not all openings for stabs can fit the stabs properly. the common fix is to stick tapes to fill up gaps to prevent housing wobbles.

in general, proper stabilizer installation is essential. well-tuned stabs can still perform badly due to improper installation.
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Thats the thing. I did use the stick tapes to prevent the housing from even slight wobble, it stills tick. I thought it was the wire is not balance, but it is not. Finally I just did the holee mod and it solves it. That goes without saying that lubing the stabs is a must. I just use 205 on the wire and the housing internals like what is normally shown on youtube. lolx.

But that ticking once u notice it, it is very annoying. lol. Initially I did not want to take the stabs out to fix it, but finally gave in as it is just too annoying. lol

But probably it is my plate that is not good since from your experience FL-cmmk stabs do not need any mod. I will keep that in mind.
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post May 3 2023, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ May 3 2023, 12:24 PM)
a wire that is not balanced might cause such an issue also. however what i do is to make sure it's relatively straight, with both tips pointing at the same angle, more or less. after lubed, the sound will usually be gone in my case.

to me, lubing is essential. in very rare cases when the ticking sound comes back, especially for pcb-mount stabs, i just inject lube into stem holes for wire tips. this usually works for me.

yes, the compatibility of cutouts and stabs used depends on our luck. this is one of the reasons people pick pcb-mount stabilizers, instead of plate-mount. during my previous part selections, i have come across plates with bad cutouts. it's impossible to install plate-mount stabs  on them, and hope for the best. however, i think i can still file these openings to fit pcb-mount stabs, so i just keep them.

i'm not sure if you noticed this, but stabilizer tuning is one of the most important things to do to any board. once these long keys are tuned to your liking, you will have peace of mind, even if the rest of the board are not optimized yet.
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I totally agree with that stabilizer tuning. This long keys that are wobbly and annoying are the worst.
And selecting a switch for the long keys to get the sound and feel you like also take some time.

I see that normally the long keys will use a diff switch vs the alphas as when I'm using the same switch, the long key will produce a sound that is so different vs the alpha that I feel is a bit annoying.
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QUOTE(LegendLee @ May 4 2023, 02:20 PM)
To be honest.
I feel krytox 205g0 on stabs to be quite useless.
These days I just use a lot of dielectric grease. Until it’s pretty much swimming in it.

I see a lot of pre builds doing it and so I do that too.
It’s messy, but requires way less tuning.

Works even on <rm100 budget kits.
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I saw some guides also recommending just squeezing in those dielectric grease into the stabs. But it just look so "messy".
But saying that I do believe that the grease method does work as the grease definitely will cushion the wire in the housing and prevent wire knocking around the housing.
But I just prefer to keep it as clean as possible if I can help it.

Probably I should get some dielectric grease to try if I can tahan the messiness.... lolx
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QUOTE(josh5671 @ May 5 2023, 03:08 PM)
recently got wishing to try this JWK Black v2 linear switch. how it perform on stock state?

currently in wishlist:
JWK T1 Tactile
JWK Ultimate Black
JWK Black v2
Feker Matcha
Kailh Box Crystal Robin
Kailh Box Jelly Fish

all these i think slightly heavy switch compare to my graywood i using now.
as i go with the ultra light switch, gonna to try slightly heavier,  to see how it perform.not sure which to get first to test
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