Microsoft will announce “the next generation of Windows” on June 24. The event will be held online at 11 am ET (or approximately 8:30 pm IST).





Beta Version Build 22000.132
English - https://software-download.microsoft.com/sg/...43d7fe1721c7e04
Simplified Chinese - https://software-download.microsoft.com/sg/...33898917a18c64d

This post has been edited by life5tyle: Aug 28 2021, 09:03 PM

will this be a free update for existing windows 10 users?

This post has been edited by Chosen one: Jun 18 2021, 04:15 PM

Yes, you can upgrade existing Windows 10 to Windows 11 for free.

Some youtuber host download iso, microsoft report that link
Seem microsoft no happy this leak

Yes, most of the hosted ISO files has been removed. Everytime a new Windows is coming sure there is the ISO files leaked. Ofcoz Microsoft is not happy before it leak before the official announcement.

Event today at 11 PM https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/eve...NHD294LoTrq07H4

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jun 24 2021, 10:57 PM

Live stream:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/event

Video buffering... Gimme YouTube, Microsoft!

This post has been edited by thankyou: Jun 24 2021, 11:03 PM

use vpn watch the stream also lag

Very fail event, buffering like hell!

Watch here where much better - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h82ErsXJldg

this one is faster, they should learn Apple or Google host in Youtube as well

All stuck, sleeping better.

If Microsoft cannot handle the traffic. use YouTube. Faint!

Thanks

Another one, watch on their Twitter

End so short!

So beside the leak, the new added are

- Widget can expand to full screen.
- Introducing Microsoft Teams ? lol
- Android apps in Windows - I like this.
- New Microsoft Store Look - promoting of Disney+ Haha!
- Xbox Pass - can Microsoft still be trust, or same like previous scrap later.
- Auto HDR in games, this include older games.

They not talk about it is free upgrade, I think it is not as Microsoft ask you go buy Windows 11 ready PC. I think it won't be free upgrade in this case.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jun 24 2021, 11:53 PM

Compare to Apple and Google, their presentation like shit
Microsoft Teams like copying Apple, can facetime everywhere
As for xbox pass, if only if available in Malaysia, I am tired on getting a PS5

And yes, is free upgrade to all Windows 10 user, there no deadline to upgrade (according to Windows Central) >> https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-11



Guess will on hold at least 1 or 2 months then only upgrade

Good to know it is free.

The presentation preparation - big fail, buffering so bad at beginning! my goodness!
The presentation leader - I think he not sleeping well, he can talk and stuck from time to time. This is pre-record, why not record it again!

Very boring presentation in overall.

The best presentation still always Apple. Always well prepared and great preparation nor-matter is live or pre-record.

Microsoft Teams is long there, it was replacement of Skype after Microsoft acquired Skype. The performance was crap if compare with Zoom and my company only authorize to use Microsoft Teams.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jun 24 2021, 11:59 PM

That why a lot people complain their video stream buffering in Twitter
In short, whole presentation is boring
And yes, Teams software performance like crap, that why I prefer to use the website to access it, unless wanna share screen then force to use Teams software

Yalo and totally agreed Microsoft Teams is crap and keep changing the interface design without informed and you cannot change back to previous design.

Microsoft really make TPM 2.0 is minimum requirement! My PC only show support after I enable fTPM at Bios!!!
Off course if current hack still working and that hack only work from installing from ISO image with one file from Windows 10 ISO to prevent check of TPM.


PC Health Check for Windows 11 requirement - https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-windows-p...k-windows-11-2/



https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win...ows_app_omc_win



Check your PC Windows Security is another option to know TPM 2.0 is support or not.



This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jun 25 2021, 01:02 AM

CPU too old not support TPM
As I cannot find TPM in bios

This post has been edited by XeactorZ: Jun 25 2021, 04:02 PM

I'm using self build 11th Gen Intel CPU PC & health check failed......

Very sorry to hear about that, in that case the only way was install using hack method or change PC.

https://winaero.com/how-to-install-windows-...ithout-tpm-2-0/

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jun 25 2021, 04:13 PM

MS cock blocking DirectStorage, exclusive to Win11. Considering that W10 and W11 are still basically the same OS, cock blocking the most important feature is a dick move. Not that I expected any less from them....

If your Bios don't have option to turn on fTPM or TPM, then probably the only way was using hack method to install.

Certain MB allow to buy the TPM 2.0 dedicated chipset and plugin to support.

https://winaero.com/how-to-install-windows-...ithout-tpm-2-0/

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jun 25 2021, 04:15 PM

Hahah is okay bro, have to accept the fact
I guess my laptop have TPM, just no idea where it is
As for desktop don't think support TPM as is 4th gen intel CPU

And Windows 11 haven't release yet, still have some time to figure it out where the TPM in bios

Not sure how pc price when windows 11 is launch

I really doubt Microsoft will force TPM 2.0 due to an overwhelming majority of machines do not support TPM 2.0, or even TPM in general, which creates problems as Windows 10 will not be supported in about 4 years, and rendering potentially millions of well performing machines into ewaste because of some arbitrary limitation isn't going to be very well received in the community. You can still run Windows 10 on decade old hardware and it will run just fine

There's still plenty of machines (and some of them are about 10 years old) that are still very performant (see Sandy Bridge CPUs), and I don't see why those machines can't run Windows 11

Forcing TPM 2.0 (or TPM in general) as an artificial limitation is going to severely limit adoption amongst home or even business machines due to low implementation of proper TPM, and Microsoft isn't going to like this as their new OS will end up having very slow adoption, like Vista

I'm pretty sure Microsoft will drop the requirement sooner or later, or at the very least make TPM or Secure Boot as an optional, but recommended requirement

The forced Secure Boot requirement is not going to be well received for those who dual boots Linux and Windows

On another note however, it would be just a matter of time people started making tools that removes this requirement by patching the ISO, but I think this is not something people want to do (myself included)

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Jun 25 2021, 05:49 PM

It might be interesting to see Microsoft may drop this requirement sooner or later (or at the very least become an optional requirement), because a low adoption of Windows 11 is going to be bad for the company itself, and the enterprise market is not going to like those requirements either

On top andrew already posted it how to do so

Ya true, if they are not going to do, I foresee this windows 11 will be failure like vista and 8
As a lot people say, every 2 windows OS sure got popular and not popular one
XP (popular) > vista (not popular) > 7 (popular) > 8 (not popular) > 10 (popular) > 11 (??)

Come to think of it, if Microsoft actually enforced such requirements, it will lead to low adoption of the OS, and it will be just a matter of time where the tech press will start writing articles claiming Windows 11 has slow adoption rates over Windows 10 or something similar, painting Microsoft in a bad light

The OS hasn't been completed and there might be more changes within the system in the coming months, so there might be a possibility that Microsoft may drop this requirement

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Jun 25 2021, 06:53 PM

Hahaha true also

Btw from The Verge link said that Intel 8th gen and AMD Ryzen 2nd gen onwards only supported
Can foresee a low adoption rate compare to Windows 10

As I expect a lot of people although their CPU support TPM, but no idea how to enable it in BIOS

This post has been edited by XeactorZ: Jun 25 2021, 07:03 PM

I am concerned with this: https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-will-re...indows-11-home/

I don't like too many accounts to manage. Seems like they want to monetize your data.

When i setup windows 10, i try every button to skip not to sign in microsoft acc
I only sign in for windows store, for download apps

Not sure upcoming got any trick to do like windows 10 or not
My pc is not only i use, just one local acc all access
So i cannot sign in microsoft acc

mine never insert any key and log in to microsoft... but somehow windows is activated today after 10days using win11



glitch, back to normal start menu after restart

I think similar price as Windows 10 and not too over cost than Windows 10, else everybody just grab Windows 10 and update later.

Haha! Current way Microsoft implementing TPM 2.0 requirement is useless, if Microsoft ready want to make this TPM 2.0 is a must, they need to do detection after installation as well.

I am signing back Windows Insider Program as Dev Channel. Haha!

I hope Microsoft is releasing the Windows 11 to Dev Channel as promise next week. Haha!

From what I know, in order to upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11, you require to have Microsoft Account as it will retrieve product key from your Microsoft Account to verify whether it is genuine key.

More hardware support will be added into TPM 2.0 to make it support more motherboard by time it is officially release. Current TPM 2.0 is only with limited motherboard database. I install the development version without any problem on my old laptop too even thought TPM 2.0 show fail.

True, that why I saw a lot people complain on Twitter, million of PC not able to upgrade to Windows 11 due to CPU didn't meet the requirement as no TPM support
Imagine those cooperate company, I believe lot of company still running Intel 7th gen and older CPU on their computer
Then ask them buy new one?
Just hope they can drop the TPM, if not I believe the adoption rate is much lower compare to Windows 10
With this move just like forcing everyone to buy new computer

This move is very stupid
Especially not everyone in the family own personal computer
Yet, on workplace, let's say this staff resign, then what happen to that computer, sign out then consider no license?

Basically, if you don't own a PC then what is the point of worrying about installing Windows 11 and the license, right? Is very practical, if you know about how Office 365 license work. Let's say a company bought 100 license, and the IT personnel assign this 100 license out to 100 employee. Once the employee left, the PC can simply reformat and the IT personnel can just delete that particular person account from online. So that company will have 99 license in use and 1 license free to assign to any new employee.

Even AutoCAD start to apply on this method for their license.

A new era must use the new method of licensing. This is motivation move for technology and human living style to move forward to more advance future.

This post has been edited by life5tyle: Jun 27 2021, 05:16 PM

It seems like people have found a way around the need of using an MS account.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/7...s-a-workaround/

Yes, this is way to work around it but you won't be able to capture and transfer your Windows 10 product key directly into your new Windows 11 PC. The Microsoft Account thing is just let you auto transfer the product key and do activation easier. Once your skip it, your Windows won't activate and you need to manual activate it with the genuine product key.

Hmm fair.

I can't whether remember the same applies to my upgrade from W7 to W10 years back. It worked smoothly and if I recalled correctly I created a MS account too then requested to delete the account upon upgrade. Now I have to do it again...

This post has been edited by TOS: Jun 27 2021, 05:33 PM

Windows 7 not yet applying this method. I believe Windows 8 and 8.1 they start applying this concept.

This post has been edited by life5tyle: Jun 27 2021, 05:43 PM

Windows 7 no such thing sign in acc
Start windows 8 will need optional sign in
And early of windows 10 when i setup, i can skip easily to not sign in acc

It is happened on Windows 10 and you can choose not to sign-in.

Windows 11 still can but for Pro edition only.

Ya, too bad. Pricing power on their side. Can only hope MS will change this requirement before the actual release.

Windows 11 is coming to Dev Channel

First Windows 11 build from Insider Preview Dev Channel.



This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jun 29 2021, 08:08 AM

MS do not understands that we stayed with Windows because it is a windows.

If we like the Mac UI we would have bought a Mac long ago.

MAC is way much more expensive than PC. That's why we stick with PC. A normal mid-end spec AMD PC cost around RM4000+ while with same spec for MAC would cost you RM9000+.

Is not we don't want to shift to MAC is because of the costing.

I tested the new M1 to compare with my mid-end spec AMD PC, running on Adobe Premiere Pro. M1 will be laggy while processing the video while my PC is running smoothly. Mac M1 will have a way to go on catching up the performance.

Lucky I didn't bought Mac or else I be very regret now in term of cost and performance.

I like Mac is when you turn off the application, it free up 100% memory of the application took up when it was running. While on Windows-based PC, it did not free up the memory 100%. That's while after long hours of running our PC will becoming laggy while Mac don't have this issue. Linux also won't have this issue. Not sure what is the reason while Windows having this issue.

I'm using operating system since MS DOS to Windows 3.11 to Windows Me to Windows XP to Windows 2000 to Windows Vista to Windows 8.1 to Windows 7 to Windows 10 and now testing on Windows 11. Running on Linux Red Hat, Ubuntu and Kali. MacOS would be one of the best and most user friendly OS. Most powerful OS still Linux kick a$$.

This post has been edited by life5tyle: Jun 29 2021, 07:10 PM

Just updated windows 11 insider today. So far so good. I just find the settings for volume and changing sound source is not that straight forward. Too many steps compared to windows 10.

running dual boot?

No, I just direct upgrade from Windows 10 by joining the insider preview dev channel. Haha

Wow so brave
As definitely got lot of bug, better don't use it as your daily driver

I just check and same step for Windows 11 and Windows 10. Total 2 step.

Windows 11


Windows 10


This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jun 30 2021, 01:43 AM

Ya it do got bugs, at earlier I face graphics glitch issue where wording or icon keep flickering. Lucky it was solved - issue my both monitor auto set by Windows 11 where one is SDR, another is HDR.
Later I notice and set both to HDR and problem solved. Lucky, haha!

Now seems stable except some none finish feature or icon apps missing at search apps.

hi guys.. saya sudah.

light mode looks nicer than dark tho


Attached thumbnail(s)

Thanks for the tips. Totally don’t see that arrow as more options. Looks more like move vol up. Moving to left. This should be a design flaw. I guess arrow pointing down would make more sense.

This post has been edited by yvliew: Jun 30 2021, 04:11 AM

using asrock steel legend motherboard

i can open tpm in bios
but cant open secure boot because it asking about Platform Key(PK)

how to resolve this?

Haha! You are welcome, agreed should put as arrow down instead of arrow left.

The problem with Win 10 is because a lot of people abused the Kernel mode driver (Those drivers ask for admin privilege during installation. Even some games did that), and they are buggy.

If you stay with user mode, there is no way you can leave memory behind after shutting down. If you came from the 386 era, you should have heard of the word Protected Mode.

Viruses or some unknown services (games are notorious for this) installed and running at the background with also cause this problem.

And finally Win 10 preload some of your commonly used application into memory, so that it will open much faster when you need it. Those memory seems like occupied, but in fact they will be released immediately when needed.

This TPM and CPU supported list going to make Win 11 a failure if they keep insist with the list.

Well, people already are hacking the installer to works on old CPU and mobo.
It just the installer having hardware check gatekeeping older hardware. Seen people say it works on Ivy Bridge (intel 3xxx series),
so will give it a try on my age old Sandy Bridge (intel 2xxx series) as well later some other time see if it works.

I currently downloading the ISO, with this method : https://www.windows11.dev/ce7in/windows-11-...so-download-33j (run it as admin, or else you got download fail)
And the hacks in question is mentioned here : https://nerdschalk.com/how-to-replace-appra...ndows-11-setup/

Obviously do this at your own risk
Seriously I'm doing fine with W10 since beta, I probably don't need the extra security they trying to push.
If this works on my ancient CPU just gonna check out what shit design they doing this time and see how customizable it is.

edit: welp, no luck so far.
People are running W11 on hardware even older than mine. Not sure what I missing, booted into the modified ISO but still saying my system don't meet requirement.

//--

There is another way which is through Windows Update, but this one obviously require you to replace your existing W10. (make an image backup for your W10 before doing so)
https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsinsiders/co...ows_11_insider/
But eh, I kinda too lazy to do this. I prefer the ISO method to dual boot.

This post has been edited by digitalifelesss: Jul 1 2021, 10:38 AM

this reminds me early jump ship to Windows 8/8.1(Win 10 alpha lol), trust me, there will be windows 11.1 or 12.
Windows 10 itself already slow to crawl but ms just keep pushing update without optimization.

Open windows explorer took more than 10 sec on 3700x which is absolute dog shat

your drive is dying

if you're on a decent PC (not ancient single core, 1gb ram...) but suffering from severe lag, it's usually a sign of storage failure.
seriously start backing up your valuable data & replace your boot/storage drive.

This post has been edited by digitalifelesss: Jul 1 2021, 10:45 AM

Seriously? It is only 1 to 2 seconds wait to open Windows 10 Windows Explorer in my older year 2016 laptop.

For new PC, it was instant in Windows 10 or Windows 11.

You should check your hard drive, it might probably dead soon.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jul 1 2021, 01:50 PM

There's no ISO for Insider version?

Another way would be to dual boot another Win 10 then join insider for this second OS.

You got few HDD on your system? It can cause to slow down as the drive slow to load data.
My 9 years old i5 CPU runs as fast as my 2700X in navigating around Windows. It only have Sata SSD as it's storage.

running without problem on my i7 2700k tho.. so hacking or not.. i think its really possible for microsoft to forgo that rule if they want

for anyone that really want to use win11 legally. just join the insider dev build.

Nope, I can open several vm and game without much waiting, boot up is faster than before, but opening windows explorer is slow as heck,
I can click it 10 times and it will open 10 times later 🤔😹

I'm on nvme with a lot of hdd btw.

My company use win10 on Celeron too, 4gb ram, opening file from thumb drive takes forever unless I disable the real-time anti malware scanner

THIS!

Farking mcafee from dell.. no wonder since last nite i reset win10.. join insider. and installing it. takes 10 hour..
checking cpu usage max speed.. i tot is normal. open task manager this morning..
voila.. that mcafee scan hantam all cpu usage during downloading (300Mbps fiber shud take few min only download rite ) and installing..
(forgot to remove that back after reset the windows )

yup. the laptop i clone the original HDD to new ssd
disable that HDD in bios ( just to be sure it wont kacau anything during upgrading to win11)
then join insider dev channel
u shud be able to see win11 update available.
if dont have. just restart and update what ever update available 1st then u will see it

Windows 10 itself is sluggish due to it's own malware. scanner. Trust me, half of your cpu resources was used to real time scanning those unimportant things.

Windows is too complicated and full of security issues, hence the scanner, for casual usage should use Linux, not Microsoft power virus

Just enabled fTPM on my MSI Mortar Arctic, this board is 4 years old,
i guess the scalper can keep the tpm module for themselves, most recent AMD board that's based on B300 and onward should support W11, same for Intel.

How is the voice typing in Windows 11? Is Malay one of the language that can be enabled for dictation?

I don't think so.

any commend for windows 11 if daily use....

Membazir shj....

for testing or casual use, may be, for work, nope.
beta OS are prone to crash or bluescreen, which is not something you can easily revert back to good old Win 10, if you do, expect more than half day of down time.

They is still some bugs and unfinished implementation.
One serious bugs is on right click the documents will flashing and sometimes unable to choose the function you want to continue, currently this can be solve by changing to double click instead of single click.

But for stability wise, it is unbelievable stable in 1st dev. beta.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jul 9 2021, 10:29 AM

New Windows 11 Build 22000.65 is release. Now it look much better and solving some glitch in previous build.

Changes

• New Start with Search Bar and you can direct key for search at Start.
• Icon missing at Search is solved.
• Glitches animation at Toggle and Notification is fixed.
• Added transparency effect at Desktop selection.
• Better look on Keyboard Layout Selection.

Bugs not solved

• Right click on documents still glitches if using single click.

New Start with Search Bar.


Added Transparency effect at Desktop Selection


Better look on Keyboard Layout Selection. The Windows icon need to change though.


Here is the New Microsoft 365 with rounded corner design new ribbon release today as well.


This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jul 9 2021, 11:23 AM

Wait for official release. I tested a few bugs and some software won't work properly in Windows 11.

i just update from dev channel..i impress not to much bugs so far...
so far office work no problem
programming oso passed
audio/video editing not test yet
10 days before restore back to win 10
if no problem then i continue with win 11

Agreed! It is surprisingly stable compared with previous Windows beta, off course they is still some bugs but it is very minor bugs and not so impact to usage.

I am going to keep it and continue the beta test. Haha!

Does Windows 11 use a lot of CPU and ram?

Should be similar with Windows 10.

Here is the usage of without opening anything but only Snipping Tools with 130+ Background Processes.

Edit: The RAM usage will increasing based on your actual physical RAM.
For example, around 4 ~ 5 GB RAM usage for 16 GB System and around 7 ~ 8 GB RAM usage for 32 GB RAM system.



This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Jul 10 2021, 11:27 PM

What? No open anything use 7GB? My windows 10 no open anything about 2.0, 2.2GB