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post Jun 18 2021, 03:56 PM, updated 10 months ago

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Microsoft will announce “the next generation of Windows” on June 24. The event will be held online at 11 am ET (or approximately 8:30 pm IST).

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Beta Version Build 22000.132
English - https://software-download.microsoft.com/sg/...43d7fe1721c7e04
Simplified Chinese - https://software-download.microsoft.com/sg/...33898917a18c64d

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post Jun 18 2021, 04:15 PM

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will this be a free update for existing windows 10 users?

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post Jun 18 2021, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(Chosen one @ Jun 18 2021, 04:15 PM)
will this be a free update for existing windows 10 users?
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Yes, you can upgrade existing Windows 10 to Windows 11 for free.
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post Jun 19 2021, 06:08 PM

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Some youtuber host download iso, microsoft report that link
Seem microsoft no happy this leak
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post Jun 20 2021, 02:34 AM

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QUOTE(PJng @ Jun 19 2021, 06:08 PM)
Some youtuber host download iso, microsoft report that link
Seem microsoft no happy this leak
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Yes, most of the hosted ISO files has been removed. Everytime a new Windows is coming sure there is the ISO files leaked. Ofcoz Microsoft is not happy before it leak before the official announcement.
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post Jun 24 2021, 10:57 PM

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Event today at 11 PM https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/eve...NHD294LoTrq07H4

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post Jun 24 2021, 10:58 PM

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Live stream:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/event
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post Jun 24 2021, 11:02 PM

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Video buffering... Gimme YouTube, Microsoft!

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post Jun 24 2021, 11:09 PM

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use vpn watch the stream also lag doh.gif
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post Jun 24 2021, 11:14 PM

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Very fail event, buffering like hell!

Watch here where much better - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h82ErsXJldg
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post Jun 24 2021, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jun 24 2021, 11:14 PM)
Very fail event, buffering like hell!

Watch here where much better - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h82ErsXJldg
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this one is faster, they should learn Apple or Google host in Youtube as well doh.gif


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post Jun 24 2021, 11:17 PM

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All stuck, sleeping better.

If Microsoft cannot handle the traffic. use YouTube. Faint!
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post Jun 24 2021, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Jun 24 2021, 11:17 PM)
this one is faster, they should learn Apple or Google host in Youtube as well doh.gif


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post Jun 24 2021, 11:23 PM

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Thanks biggrin.gif
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End so short!

So beside the leak, the new added are

- Widget can expand to full screen.
- Introducing Microsoft Teams ? lol
- Android apps in Windows - I like this.
- New Microsoft Store Look - promoting of Disney+ Haha!
- Xbox Pass - can Microsoft still be trust, or same like previous scrap later.
- Auto HDR in games, this include older games.

They not talk about it is free upgrade, I think it is not as Microsoft ask you go buy Windows 11 ready PC. I think it won't be free upgrade in this case.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jun 24 2021, 11:49 PM)
End so short!

So beside the leak, the new added are

- Widget can expand to full screen.
- Introducing Microsoft Teams ? lol
- Android apps in Windows - I like this.
- New Microsoft Store Look - promoting of Disney+ Haha!
- Xbox Pass - can Microsoft still be trust, or same like previous scrap later.

They not talk about it is free upgrade, I think it is not as Microsoft ask you go buy Windows 11 ready PC. I think it won't be free upgrade in this case.
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Compare to Apple and Google, their presentation like shit laugh.gif
Microsoft Teams like copying Apple, can facetime everywhere
As for xbox pass, if only if available in Malaysia, I am tired on getting a PS5 sweat.gif

And yes, is free upgrade to all Windows 10 user, there no deadline to upgrade (according to Windows Central) >> https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-11

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Guess will on hold at least 1 or 2 months then only upgrade laugh.gif


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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Jun 24 2021, 11:53 PM)
Compare to Apple and Google, their presentation like shit laugh.gif
Microsoft Teams like copying Apple, can facetime everywhere
As for xbox pass, if only if available in Malaysia, I am tired on getting a PS5 sweat.gif

And yes, is free upgrade to all Windows 10 user, there no deadline to upgrade (according to Windows Central) >> https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-11
Guess will on hold at least 1 or 2 months then only upgrade laugh.gif
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Good to know it is free.

The presentation preparation - big fail, buffering so bad at beginning! my goodness!
The presentation leader - I think he not sleeping well, he can talk and stuck from time to time. This is pre-record, why not record it again!

Very boring presentation in overall.

The best presentation still always Apple. Always well prepared and great preparation nor-matter is live or pre-record.

Microsoft Teams is long there, it was replacement of Skype after Microsoft acquired Skype. The performance was crap if compare with Zoom and my company only authorize to use Microsoft Teams.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jun 24 2021, 11:57 PM)
Good to know it is free.

The presentation preparation - big fail, buffering so bad at beginning! my goodness!
The presentation leader - I think he not sleeping well, he can talk and stuck from time to time. This is pre-record, why not record it again!

Very boring presentation in overall.

The best presentation still always Apple. Always well prepared and great preparation nor-matter is live or pre-record.

Microsoft Teams is long there, it was replacement of Skype after Microsoft acquired Skype. The performance was crap if compare with Zoom and my company only authorize to use Microsoft Teams.
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That why a lot people complain their video stream buffering in Twitter laugh.gif
In short, whole presentation is boring puke.gif
And yes, Teams software performance like crap, that why I prefer to use the website to access it, unless wanna share screen then force to use Teams software doh.gif
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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Jun 25 2021, 12:15 AM)
That why a lot people complain their video stream buffering in Twitter laugh.gif
In short, whole presentation is boring puke.gif
And yes, Teams software performance like crap, that why I prefer to use the website to access it, unless wanna share screen then force to use Teams software doh.gif
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Yalo and totally agreed Microsoft Teams is crap and keep changing the interface design without informed and you cannot change back to previous design.

Microsoft really make TPM 2.0 is minimum requirement! My PC only show support after I enable fTPM at Bios!!!
Off course if current hack still working and that hack only work from installing from ISO image with one file from Windows 10 ISO to prevent check of TPM.


PC Health Check for Windows 11 requirement - https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-windows-p...k-windows-11-2/

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https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win...ows_app_omc_win

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Check your PC Windows Security is another option to know TPM 2.0 is support or not.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jun 25 2021, 12:33 AM)
Yalo and totally agreed Microsoft Teams is crap and keep changing the interface design without informed and you cannot change back to previous design.

Microsoft really make TPM 2.0 is minimum requirement! My PC only show support after I enable fTPM at Bios!!!
Off course if current hack still working and that hack only work from installing from ISO image with one file from Windows 10 ISO to prevent check of TPM.
PC Health Check for Windows 11 requirement - https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-windows-p...k-windows-11-2/

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https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win...ows_app_omc_win

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Check your PC Windows Security is another option to know TPM 2.0 is support or not.

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CPU too old not support TPM laugh.gif
As I cannot find TPM in bios sad.gif

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post Jun 25 2021, 04:09 PM

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I'm using self build 11th Gen Intel CPU PC & health check failed......
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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Jun 25 2021, 04:02 PM)
CPU too old not support TPM laugh.gif
As I cannot find TPM in bios sad.gif
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Very sorry to hear about that, in that case the only way was install using hack method or change PC.

https://winaero.com/how-to-install-windows-...ithout-tpm-2-0/

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MS cock blocking DirectStorage, exclusive to Win11. Considering that W10 and W11 are still basically the same OS, cock blocking the most important feature is a dick move. Not that I expected any less from them....
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QUOTE(noos @ Jun 25 2021, 04:09 PM)
I'm using self build 11th Gen Intel CPU PC & health check failed......
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If your Bios don't have option to turn on fTPM or TPM, then probably the only way was using hack method to install.

Certain MB allow to buy the TPM 2.0 dedicated chipset and plugin to support.

https://winaero.com/how-to-install-windows-...ithout-tpm-2-0/

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jun 25 2021, 04:11 PM)
Very sorry to hear about that, in that case the only way was install using hack method or change PC.

https://winaero.com/how-to-install-windows-...ithout-tpm-2-0/
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Hahah is okay bro, have to accept the fact
I guess my laptop have TPM, just no idea where it is
As for desktop don't think support TPM as is 4th gen intel CPU laugh.gif

And Windows 11 haven't release yet, still have some time to figure it out where the TPM in bios bruce.gif
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jun 25 2021, 04:15 PM)
If your Bios don't have option to turn on fTPM or TPM, then probably the only way was using hack method to install.

Certain MB allow to buy the TPM 2.0 dedicated chipset and plugin to support.

https://winaero.com/how-to-install-windows-...ithout-tpm-2-0/
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Not sure how pc price when windows 11 is launch
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I really doubt Microsoft will force TPM 2.0 due to an overwhelming majority of machines do not support TPM 2.0, or even TPM in general, which creates problems as Windows 10 will not be supported in about 4 years, and rendering potentially millions of well performing machines into ewaste because of some arbitrary limitation isn't going to be very well received in the community. You can still run Windows 10 on decade old hardware and it will run just fine sweat.gif

There's still plenty of machines (and some of them are about 10 years old) that are still very performant (see Sandy Bridge CPUs), and I don't see why those machines can't run Windows 11 icon_idea.gif

Forcing TPM 2.0 (or TPM in general) as an artificial limitation is going to severely limit adoption amongst home or even business machines due to low implementation of proper TPM, and Microsoft isn't going to like this as their new OS will end up having very slow adoption, like Vista icon_idea.gif

I'm pretty sure Microsoft will drop the requirement sooner or later, or at the very least make TPM or Secure Boot as an optional, but recommended requirement icon_idea.gif

The forced Secure Boot requirement is not going to be well received for those who dual boots Linux and Windows sweat.gif

On another note however, it would be just a matter of time people started making tools that removes this requirement by patching the ISO, but I think this is not something people want to do (myself included) icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Jun 25 2021, 05:13 PM)
Hahah is okay bro, have to accept the fact
I guess my laptop have TPM, just no idea where it is
As for desktop don't think support TPM as is 4th gen intel CPU laugh.gif

And Windows 11 haven't release yet, still have some time to figure it out where the TPM in bios bruce.gif
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It might be interesting to see Microsoft may drop this requirement sooner or later (or at the very least become an optional requirement), because a low adoption of Windows 11 is going to be bad for the company itself, and the enterprise market is not going to like those requirements either icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jun 25 2021, 05:41 PM)
I really doubt Microsoft will force TPM 2.0 due to an overwhelming majority of machines do not support TPM 2.0, or even TPM in general, which creates problems as Windows 10 will not be supported in about 4 years, and rendering potentially millions of well performing machines into ewaste because of some arbitrary limitation isn't going to be very well received in the community.  You can still run Windows 10 on decade old hardware and it will run just fine sweat.gif

There's still plenty of machines (and some of them are about 10 years old) that are still very performant (see Sandy Bridge CPUs), and I don't see why those machines can't run Windows 11 icon_idea.gif

Forcing TPM 2.0 (or TPM in general) as an artificial limitation is going to severely limit adoption amongst home or even business machines due to low implementation of proper TPM, and Microsoft isn't going to like this as their new OS will end up having very slow adoption, like Vista icon_idea.gif

I'm pretty sure Microsoft will drop the requirement sooner or later, or at the very least make TPM or Secure Boot as an optional, but recommended requirement icon_idea.gif

The forced Secure Boot requirement is not going to be well received for those who dual boots Linux and Windows sweat.gif

On another note however, it would be just a matter of time people started making tools that removes this requirement by patching the ISO, but I think this is not something people want to do (myself included) icon_idea.gif
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On top andrew already posted it how to do so laugh.gif

QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jun 25 2021, 05:48 PM)
It might be interesting to see Microsoft may drop this requirement sooner or later (or at the very least become an optional requirement), because a low adoption of Windows 11 is going to be bad for the company itself, and the enterprise market is not going to like those requirements either icon_idea.gif
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Ya true, if they are not going to do, I foresee this windows 11 will be failure like vista and 8 whistling.gif
As a lot people say, every 2 windows OS sure got popular and not popular one icon_idea.gif
XP (popular) > vista (not popular) > 7 (popular) > 8 (not popular) > 10 (popular) > 11 (??)
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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Jun 25 2021, 06:46 PM)
On top andrew already posted it how to do so laugh.gif
Ya true, if they are not going to do, I foresee this windows 11 will be failure like vista and 8 whistling.gif
As a lot people say, every 2 windows OS sure got popular and not popular one icon_idea.gif
XP (popular) > vista (not popular) > 7 (popular) > 8  (not popular) > 10 (popular) > 11 (??)
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Come to think of it, if Microsoft actually enforced such requirements, it will lead to low adoption of the OS, and it will be just a matter of time where the tech press will start writing articles claiming Windows 11 has slow adoption rates over Windows 10 or something similar, painting Microsoft in a bad light laugh.gif

The OS hasn't been completed and there might be more changes within the system in the coming months, so there might be a possibility that Microsoft may drop this requirement icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jun 25 2021, 06:51 PM)
Come to think of it, if Microsoft actually enforced such requirements, it will lead to low adoption of the OS, and it will be just a matter of time where the tech press will start writing articles claiming Windows 11 has slow adoption rates over Windows 10 or something similar, painting Microsoft in a bad light laugh.gif

The OS hasn't been completed and there might be more changes within the system in the coming months, so there might be a possibility that Microsoft may drop this requirement icon_idea.gif
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Hahaha true also

Btw from The Verge link said that Intel 8th gen and AMD Ryzen 2nd gen onwards only supported
Can foresee a low adoption rate compare to Windows 10

As I expect a lot of people although their CPU support TPM, but no idea how to enable it in BIOS laugh.gif

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I am concerned with this: https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-will-re...indows-11-home/

I don't like too many accounts to manage. Seems like they want to monetize your data.
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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 25 2021, 08:22 PM)
I am concerned with this: https://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-will-re...indows-11-home/

I don't like too many accounts to manage. Seems like they want to monetize your data.
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When i setup windows 10, i try every button to skip not to sign in microsoft acc
I only sign in for windows store, for download apps

Not sure upcoming got any trick to do like windows 10 or not
My pc is not only i use, just one local acc all access
So i cannot sign in microsoft acc
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mine never insert any key and log in to microsoft... but somehow windows is activated today after 10days using win11

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QUOTE(PJng @ Jun 25 2021, 05:30 PM)
Not sure how pc price when windows 11 is launch
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I think similar price as Windows 10 and not too over cost than Windows 10, else everybody just grab Windows 10 and update later.

QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Jun 25 2021, 06:46 PM)
On top andrew already posted it how to do so laugh.gif
Ya true, if they are not going to do, I foresee this windows 11 will be failure like vista and 8 whistling.gif
As a lot people say, every 2 windows OS sure got popular and not popular one icon_idea.gif
XP (popular) > vista (not popular) > 7 (popular) > 8  (not popular) > 10 (popular) > 11 (??)
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Haha! Current way Microsoft implementing TPM 2.0 requirement is useless, if Microsoft ready want to make this TPM 2.0 is a must, they need to do detection after installation as well.
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I am signing back Windows Insider Program as Dev Channel. Haha!

I hope Microsoft is releasing the Windows 11 to Dev Channel as promise next week. Haha!

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From what I know, in order to upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11, you require to have Microsoft Account as it will retrieve product key from your Microsoft Account to verify whether it is genuine key.

More hardware support will be added into TPM 2.0 to make it support more motherboard by time it is officially release. Current TPM 2.0 is only with limited motherboard database. I install the development version without any problem on my old laptop too even thought TPM 2.0 show fail.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jun 26 2021, 09:24 AM)
Haha! Current way Microsoft implementing TPM 2.0 requirement is useless, if Microsoft ready want to make this TPM 2.0 is a must, they need to do detection after installation as well.
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True, that why I saw a lot people complain on Twitter, million of PC not able to upgrade to Windows 11 due to CPU didn't meet the requirement as no TPM support
Imagine those cooperate company, I believe lot of company still running Intel 7th gen and older CPU on their computer
Then ask them buy new one? cool2.gif
Just hope they can drop the TPM, if not I believe the adoption rate is much lower compare to Windows 10
With this move just like forcing everyone to buy new computer laugh.gif

QUOTE(life5tyle @ Jun 26 2021, 05:57 PM)
From what I know, in order to upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11, you require to have Microsoft Account as it will retrieve product key from your Microsoft Account to verify whether it is genuine key.

More hardware support will be added into TPM 2.0 to make it support more motherboard by time it is officially release. Current TPM 2.0 is only with limited motherboard database. I install the development version without any problem on my old laptop too even thought TPM 2.0 show fail.
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This move is very stupid
Especially not everyone in the family own personal computer sweat.gif
Yet, on workplace, let's say this staff resign, then what happen to that computer, sign out then consider no license? flex.gif
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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Jun 26 2021, 07:00 PM)
This move is very stupid
Especially not everyone in the family own personal computer sweat.gif
Yet, on workplace, let's say this staff resign, then what happen to that computer, sign out then consider no license? flex.gif
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Basically, if you don't own a PC then what is the point of worrying about installing Windows 11 and the license, right? Is very practical, if you know about how Office 365 license work. Let's say a company bought 100 license, and the IT personnel assign this 100 license out to 100 employee. Once the employee left, the PC can simply reformat and the IT personnel can just delete that particular person account from online. So that company will have 99 license in use and 1 license free to assign to any new employee.

Even AutoCAD start to apply on this method for their license.

A new era must use the new method of licensing. This is motivation move for technology and human living style to move forward to more advance future.

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It seems like people have found a way around the need of using an MS account.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/7...s-a-workaround/
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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 27 2021, 05:18 PM)
It seems like people have found a way around the need of using an MS account.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/7...s-a-workaround/
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Yes, this is way to work around it but you won't be able to capture and transfer your Windows 10 product key directly into your new Windows 11 PC. The Microsoft Account thing is just let you auto transfer the product key and do activation easier. Once your skip it, your Windows won't activate and you need to manual activate it with the genuine product key.
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QUOTE(life5tyle @ Jun 27 2021, 05:23 PM)
Yes, this is way to work around it but you won't be able to capture and transfer your Windows 10 product key directly into your new Windows 11 PC. The Microsoft Account thing is just let you auto transfer the product key and do activation easier. Once your skip it, your Windows won't activate and you need to manual activate it with the genuine product key.
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Hmm fair.

I can't whether remember the same applies to my upgrade from W7 to W10 years back. It worked smoothly and if I recalled correctly I created a MS account too then requested to delete the account upon upgrade. Now I have to do it again...

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 27 2021, 05:33 PM)
Hmm fair.

I can't whether remember the same applies to my upgrade from W7 to W10 years back. It worked smoothly and if I recalled correctly I created a MS account too then requested to delete the account upon upgrade. Now I have to do it again...
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Windows 7 not yet applying this method. I believe Windows 8 and 8.1 they start applying this concept.

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 27 2021, 05:33 PM)
Hmm fair.

I can't whether remember the same applies to my upgrade from W7 to W10 years back. It worked smoothly and if I recalled correctly I created a MS account too then requested to delete the account upon upgrade. Now I have to do it again...
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Start windows 8 will need optional sign in
And early of windows 10 when i setup, i can skip easily to not sign in acc
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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 27 2021, 05:33 PM)
Hmm fair.

I can't whether remember the same applies to my upgrade from W7 to W10 years back. It worked smoothly and if I recalled correctly I created a MS account too then requested to delete the account upon upgrade. Now I have to do it again...
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It is happened on Windows 10 and you can choose not to sign-in.

Windows 11 still can but for Pro edition only.
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Ya, too bad. Pricing power on their side. Can only hope MS will change this requirement before the actual release.
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First Windows 11 build from Insider Preview Dev Channel.

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MS do not understands that we stayed with Windows because it is a windows.

If we like the Mac UI we would have bought a Mac long ago.
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MS do not understands that we stayed with Windows because it is a windows.

If we like the Mac UI we would have bought a Mac long ago.
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MAC is way much more expensive than PC. That's why we stick with PC. A normal mid-end spec AMD PC cost around RM4000+ while with same spec for MAC would cost you RM9000+.

Is not we don't want to shift to MAC is because of the costing. devil.gif

I tested the new M1 to compare with my mid-end spec AMD PC, running on Adobe Premiere Pro. M1 will be laggy while processing the video while my PC is running smoothly. Mac M1 will have a way to go on catching up the performance.

Lucky I didn't bought Mac or else I be very regret now in term of cost and performance.

I like Mac is when you turn off the application, it free up 100% memory of the application took up when it was running. While on Windows-based PC, it did not free up the memory 100%. That's while after long hours of running our PC will becoming laggy while Mac don't have this issue. Linux also won't have this issue. Not sure what is the reason while Windows having this issue.

I'm using operating system since MS DOS to Windows 3.11 to Windows Me to Windows XP to Windows 2000 to Windows Vista to Windows 8.1 to Windows 7 to Windows 10 and now testing on Windows 11. Running on Linux Red Hat, Ubuntu and Kali. MacOS would be one of the best and most user friendly OS. Most powerful OS still Linux kick a$$.

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Just updated windows 11 insider today. So far so good. I just find the settings for volume and changing sound source is not that straight forward. Too many steps compared to windows 10.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jun 29 2021, 07:58 AM)
First Windows 11 build from Insider Preview Dev Channel.

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No, I just direct upgrade from Windows 10 by joining the insider preview dev channel. Haha
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As definitely got lot of bug, better don't use it as your daily driver laugh.gif
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QUOTE(yvliew @ Jun 29 2021, 10:17 PM)
Just updated windows 11 insider today. So far so good. I just find the settings for volume and changing sound source is not that straight forward. Too many steps compared to windows 10.
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I just check and same step for Windows 11 and Windows 10. Total 2 step.

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Wow so brave brows.gif
As definitely got lot of bug, better don't use it as your daily driver laugh.gif
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Ya it do got bugs, at earlier I face graphics glitch issue where wording or icon keep flickering. Lucky it was solved - issue my both monitor auto set by Windows 11 where one is SDR, another is HDR.
Later I notice and set both to HDR and problem solved. Lucky, haha!

Now seems stable except some none finish feature or icon apps missing at search apps.
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I just check and same step for Windows 11 and Windows 10. Total 2 step.

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Thanks for the tips. Totally don’t see that arrow as more options. Looks more like move vol up. Moving to left. This should be a design flaw. I guess arrow pointing down would make more sense.

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i can open tpm in bios
but cant open secure boot because it asking about Platform Key(PK)

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QUOTE(yvliew @ Jun 30 2021, 04:11 AM)
Thanks for the tips. Totally don’t see that arrow as more options. Looks more like move vol up. Moving to left. This should be a design flaw. I guess arrow pointing down would make more sense.
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MAC is way much more expensive than PC. That's why we stick with PC. A normal mid-end spec AMD PC cost around RM4000+ while with same spec for MAC would cost you RM9000+.

Is not we don't want to shift to MAC is because of the costing. devil.gif

I tested the new M1 to compare with my mid-end spec AMD PC, running on Adobe Premiere Pro. M1 will be laggy while processing the video while my PC is running smoothly. Mac M1 will have a way to go on catching up the performance.

Lucky I didn't bought Mac or else I be very regret now in term of cost and performance.

I like Mac is when you turn off the application, it free up 100% memory of the application took up when it was running. While on Windows-based PC, it did not free up the memory 100%. That's while after long hours of running our PC will becoming laggy while Mac don't have this issue. Linux also won't have this issue. Not sure what is the reason while Windows having this issue.

I'm using operating system since MS DOS to Windows 3.11 to Windows Me to Windows XP to Windows 2000 to Windows Vista to Windows 8.1 to Windows 7 to Windows 10 and now testing on Windows 11. Running on Linux Red Hat, Ubuntu and Kali. MacOS would be one of the best and most user friendly OS. Most powerful OS still Linux kick a$$.
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The problem with Win 10 is because a lot of people abused the Kernel mode driver (Those drivers ask for admin privilege during installation. Even some games did that), and they are buggy.

If you stay with user mode, there is no way you can leave memory behind after shutting down. If you came from the 386 era, you should have heard of the word Protected Mode.

Viruses or some unknown services (games are notorious for this) installed and running at the background with also cause this problem.

And finally Win 10 preload some of your commonly used application into memory, so that it will open much faster when you need it. Those memory seems like occupied, but in fact they will be released immediately when needed.
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This TPM and CPU supported list going to make Win 11 a failure if they keep insist with the list.

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This TPM and CPU supported list going to make Win 11 a failure if they keep insist with the list.
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Well, people already are hacking the installer to works on old CPU and mobo.
It just the installer having hardware check gatekeeping older hardware. Seen people say it works on Ivy Bridge (intel 3xxx series),
so will give it a try on my age old Sandy Bridge (intel 2xxx series) as well later some other time see if it works.

I currently downloading the ISO, with this method : https://www.windows11.dev/ce7in/windows-11-...so-download-33j (run it as admin, or else you got download fail)
And the hacks in question is mentioned here : https://nerdschalk.com/how-to-replace-appra...ndows-11-setup/

Obviously do this at your own risk laugh.gif
Seriously I'm doing fine with W10 since beta, I probably don't need the extra security they trying to push.
If this works on my ancient CPU just gonna check out what shit design they doing this time and see how customizable it is.

edit: welp, no luck so far.
People are running W11 on hardware even older than mine. Not sure what I missing, booted into the modified ISO but still saying my system don't meet requirement. hmm.gif

//--

There is another way which is through Windows Update, but this one obviously require you to replace your existing W10. (make an image backup for your W10 before doing so)
https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsinsiders/co...ows_11_insider/
But eh, I kinda too lazy to do this. sweat.gif I prefer the ISO method to dual boot.

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jun 30 2021, 08:00 PM)
This TPM and CPU supported list going to make Win 11 a failure if they keep insist with the list.

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this reminds me early jump ship to Windows 8/8.1(Win 10 alpha lol), trust me, there will be windows 11.1 or 12.
Windows 10 itself already slow to crawl but ms just keep pushing update without optimization.

Open windows explorer took more than 10 sec on 3700x which is absolute dog shat
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Open windows explorer took more than 10 sec on 3700x which is absolute dog shat
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your drive is dying laugh.gif

if you're on a decent PC (not ancient single core, 1gb ram...) but suffering from severe lag, it's usually a sign of storage failure.
seriously start backing up your valuable data & replace your boot/storage drive.

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jun 30 2021, 10:20 PM)
this reminds me early jump ship to Windows 8/8.1(Win 10 alpha lol), trust me, there will be windows 11.1 or 12.
Windows 10 itself already slow to crawl but ms just keep pushing update without optimization.

Open windows explorer took more than 10 sec on 3700x which is absolute dog shat
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Seriously? It is only 1 to 2 seconds wait to open Windows 10 Windows Explorer in my older year 2016 laptop.

For new PC, it was instant in Windows 10 or Windows 11.

You should check your hard drive, it might probably dead soon.

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QUOTE(digitalifelesss @ Jun 30 2021, 08:30 PM)
There is another way which is through Windows Update, but this one obviously require you to replace your existing W10. (make an image backup for your W10 before doing so)
https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsinsiders/co...ows_11_insider/
But eh, I kinda too lazy to do this.  sweat.gif  I prefer the ISO method to dual boot.
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There's no ISO for Insider version?

Another way would be to dual boot another Win 10 then join insider for this second OS.

QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jun 30 2021, 10:20 PM)
this reminds me early jump ship to Windows 8/8.1(Win 10 alpha lol), trust me, there will be windows 11.1 or 12.
Windows 10 itself already slow to crawl but ms just keep pushing update without optimization.

Open windows explorer took more than 10 sec on 3700x which is absolute dog shat
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You got few HDD on your system? It can cause to slow down as the drive slow to load data.
My 9 years old i5 CPU runs as fast as my 2700X in navigating around Windows. It only have Sata SSD as it's storage.
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QUOTE(digitalifelesss @ Jun 30 2021, 08:30 PM)
Well, people already are hacking the installer to works on old CPU and mobo.
It just the installer having hardware check gatekeeping older hardware. Seen people say it works on Ivy Bridge (intel 3xxx series),
so will give it a try on my age old Sandy Bridge (intel 2xxx series) as well later some other time see if it works.

I currently downloading the ISO, with this method : https://www.windows11.dev/ce7in/windows-11-...so-download-33j (run it as admin, or else you got download fail)
And the hacks in question is mentioned here : https://nerdschalk.com/how-to-replace-appra...ndows-11-setup/

Obviously do this at your own risk  laugh.gif
Seriously I'm doing fine with W10 since beta, I probably don't need the extra security they trying to push.
If this works on my ancient CPU just gonna check out what shit design they doing this time and see how customizable it is.

edit: welp, no luck so far.
People are running W11 on hardware even older than mine. Not sure what I missing, booted into the modified ISO but still saying my system don't meet requirement.  hmm.gif

//--

There is another way which is through Windows Update, but this one obviously require you to replace your existing W10. (make an image backup for your W10 before doing so)
https://www.reddit.com/r/windowsinsiders/co...ows_11_insider/
But eh, I kinda too lazy to do this.  sweat.gif  I prefer the ISO method to dual boot.
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running without problem on my i7 2700k tho.. so hacking or not.. i think its really possible for microsoft to forgo that rule if they want
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for anyone that really want to use win11 legally. just join the insider dev build.
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QUOTE(digitalifelesss @ Jul 1 2021, 10:40 AM)
your drive is dying laugh.gif

if you're on a decent PC (not ancient single core, 1gb ram...) but suffering from severe lag, it's usually a sign of storage failure.
seriously start backing up your valuable data & replace your boot/storage drive.
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Nope, I can open several vm and game without much waiting, boot up is faster than before, but opening windows explorer is slow as heck,
I can click it 10 times and it will open 10 times later 🤔😹

I'm on nvme with a lot of hdd btw.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jul 1 2021, 02:50 PM)
There's no ISO for Insider version?

Another way would be to dual boot another Win 10 then join insider for this second OS.
You got few HDD on your system? It can cause to slow down as the drive slow to load data.
My 9 years old i5 CPU runs as fast as my 2700X in navigating around Windows. It only have Sata SSD as it's storage.
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My company use win10 on Celeron too, 4gb ram, opening file from thumb drive takes forever unless I disable the real-time anti malware scanner
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 1 2021, 06:06 PM)
My company use win10 on Celeron too, 4gb ram, opening file from thumb drive takes forever unless I disable the real-time anti malware scanner
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THIS!

Farking mcafee from dell.. no wonder since last nite i reset win10.. join insider. and installing it. takes 10 hour..
checking cpu usage max speed.. i tot is normal. open task manager this morning..
voila.. that mcafee scan hantam all cpu usage during downloading (300Mbps fiber shud take few min only download rite ) and installing..
(forgot to remove that back after reset the windows )

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Jul 1 2021, 02:50 PM)
There's no ISO for Insider version?

Another way would be to dual boot another Win 10 then join insider for this second OS.
You got few HDD on your system? It can cause to slow down as the drive slow to load data.
My 9 years old i5 CPU runs as fast as my 2700X in navigating around Windows. It only have Sata SSD as it's storage.
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yup. the laptop i clone the original HDD to new ssd
disable that HDD in bios ( just to be sure it wont kacau anything during upgrading to win11)
then join insider dev channel
u shud be able to see win11 update available.
if dont have. just restart and update what ever update available 1st then u will see it
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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Jul 2 2021, 10:38 AM)
THIS!

Farking mcafee from dell.. no wonder since last nite i reset win10.. join insider. and installing it. takes 10 hour..
checking cpu usage max speed.. i tot is normal. open task manager this morning..
voila.. that mcafee scan hantam all cpu usage during downloading (300Mbps fiber shud take few min only download rite ) and installing..
(forgot to remove that back after reset the windows )
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Windows 10 itself is sluggish due to it's own malware. scanner. Trust me, half of your cpu resources was used to real time scanning those unimportant things.

Windows is too complicated and full of security issues, hence the scanner, for casual usage should use Linux, not Microsoft power virus
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Just enabled fTPM on my MSI Mortar Arctic, this board is 4 years old,
i guess the scalper can keep the tpm module for themselves, most recent AMD board that's based on B300 and onward should support W11, same for Intel.
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How is the voice typing in Windows 11? Is Malay one of the language that can be enabled for dictation?
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any commend for windows 11 if daily use....
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QUOTE(frantic912 @ Jul 8 2021, 09:23 PM)
any commend for windows 11 if daily use....
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for testing or casual use, may be, for work, nope.
beta OS are prone to crash or bluescreen, which is not something you can easily revert back to good old Win 10, if you do, expect more than half day of down time.
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QUOTE(frantic912 @ Jul 8 2021, 09:23 PM)
any commend for windows 11 if daily use....
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They is still some bugs and unfinished implementation.
One serious bugs is on right click the documents will flashing and sometimes unable to choose the function you want to continue, currently this can be solve by changing to double click instead of single click.

But for stability wise, it is unbelievable stable in 1st dev. beta.

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New Windows 11 Build 22000.65 is release. Now it look much better and solving some glitch in previous build. biggrin.gif

Changes
  • New Start with Search Bar and you can direct key for search at Start.
  • Icon missing at Search is solved.
  • Glitches animation at Toggle and Notification is fixed.
  • Added transparency effect at Desktop selection.
  • Better look on Keyboard Layout Selection.
Bugs not solved
  • Right click on documents still glitches if using single click.
New Start with Search Bar.
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Added Transparency effect at Desktop Selection
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Better look on Keyboard Layout Selection. The Windows icon need to change though.
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Here is the New Microsoft 365 with rounded corner design new ribbon release today as well.
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Wait for official release. I tested a few bugs and some software won't work properly in Windows 11.
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i just update from dev channel..i impress not to much bugs so far...
so far office work no problem
programming oso passed
audio/video editing not test yet
10 days before restore back to win 10
if no problem then i continue with win 11
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QUOTE(frantic912 @ Jul 9 2021, 07:39 PM)
i just update from dev channel..i impress not to much bugs so far...
so far office work no problem
programming oso passed
audio/video editing not test yet
10 days before restore back to win 10
if no problem then i continue with win 11
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Agreed! It is surprisingly stable compared with previous Windows beta, off course they is still some bugs but it is very minor bugs and not so impact to usage.

I am going to keep it and continue the beta test. Haha!
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Does Windows 11 use a lot of CPU and ram?
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Should be similar with Windows 10.

Here is the usage of without opening anything but only Snipping Tools with 130+ Background Processes.

Edit: The RAM usage will increasing based on your actual physical RAM.
For example, around 4 ~ 5 GB RAM usage for 16 GB System and around 7 ~ 8 GB RAM usage for 32 GB RAM system.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 10 2021, 10:23 PM)
Should be similar with Windows 10.

Here is the usage of without opening anything but only Snipping Tools with 130+ Background Processes.

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What? No open anything use 7GB? My windows 10 no open anything about 2.0, 2.2GB
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What? No open anything use 7GB? My windows 10 no open anything about 2.0, 2.2GB
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The RAM usage is based on your total RAM. It increase a lot if your RAM is more <-- this is Windows RAM management style.
If you not believe, take out one of your RAM and you will notice you use even less of RAM, or insert more RAM and later you will notice Windows use more RAM.
I got 32GB RAM, no surprise it occupied more.

Also I don't care background running processes. I had 130+ background running processes.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 10 2021, 10:35 PM)
The RAM usage is based on your total RAM. It increase a lot if your RAM is more <-- this is Windows RAM management style.
If you not believe, take out one of your RAM and you will notice you use even less of RAM, or insert more RAM and later you will notice Windows use more RAM.
I got 32GB RAM, no surprise it occupied more.

Also I don't care background running processes. I had 130+ background running processes.
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My pc max out 8GB RAM,
Currently cannot test as my pc got problem cannot on, lazy troubleshooting now
Will see if buy new pc with 16GB RAM
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QUOTE(PJng @ Jul 10 2021, 10:44 PM)
My pc max out 8GB RAM,
Currently cannot test as my pc got problem cannot on, lazy troubleshooting now
Will see if buy new pc with 16GB RAM
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I notice this as I was testing the Windows 10 RAM usage at company few years ago and notice same PC with increasing of RAM will use more RAM in Windows 10.
Windows auto adjust the RAM usage based on your actual RAM capacity.

I use this to show my ex boss we cannot relied on Windows RAM usage as it is different based on your RAM capacity. Haha!

You will get around 4 ~ 5 GB RAM usage for 16 GB RAM system.

Here is my another system with 16 GB RAM running Windows 10 and it use around 4.8 GB RAM.

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Hhmn,,, looks pretty high RAM usage. 8GB really GG.
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QUOTE(Karl Jung @ Jul 11 2021, 01:42 PM)
Hhmn,,, looks pretty high RAM usage. 8GB really GG.
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As I explain already, that is due to my system had 32 GB RAM. The RAM usage is similar as Windows 10. The RAM management pattern also same as Windows 10.

When without opening anything, the RAM utilize should be around as following if your system is
  • 32 GB, RAM usage will be around 8 GB
  • 16 GB, RAM usage will be around 5 GB
  • 8 GB, RAM usage will be around 3 GB
  • 4 GB, RAM usage will be around 2 GB


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Mine almost half of utilization from 48GB, if the ram is not used then it's wasted, a program run faster when it's cached on ram than on SSD/HDD,

Ram has the highest bandwidth in typical pc, only second to CPU static ram,
so by logic the program or process would be cached in ram and restored upon request, this is much faster than relaunching from hdd.
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Finally installed W11 dev build, no hiccup encountered yet, but good thing is my system is much more quiet, probably r7 3700x boosting much less frequent than stable W10 build which is very annoying, even the pc is on idle mode.
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I have a question on the snapping feature.

so does the snapping feature only allow for a maximum of 4 windows to be fitted on a screen at a particular time?

does tab browsing also enabled. if I have a maybe 10 windows, and they be tabbed or stacked side by side, ala Groupy

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did u guys experience slow or sometime hard to connect viewing facebook or youtube after switching to W11? it seems i am having a hard time, my desktop and my surface is having the same issue, surface is better abit in youtube, but other website is smooth as butter

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did u guys experience slow or sometime hard to connect viewing facebook or  youtube after switching to W11? it seems i am having a hard time, my desktop and my surface is having the same issue, surface is better abit in youtube, but other website is smooth as butter
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try to use custom HTTPS-over-DNS, such as opendns, adguard or cloudflare.
https://www.howtogeek.com/660088/how-to-ena...-google-chrome/

Cloudflare for example can reduce path hopping as much as 50%
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If I do a clean install of Win11 using ISO compiled from the Insider Program version, will it be able to update itself to a future stable release, or will it just stuck in that version and I will need to do another clean install once the RTM version comes out?
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 10 2021, 10:23 PM)
Should be similar with Windows 10.

Here is the usage of without opening anything but only Snipping Tools with 130+ Background Processes.

Edit: The RAM usage will increasing based on your actual physical RAM.
For example, around 4 ~ 5 GB RAM usage for 16 GB System and around 7 ~ 8 GB RAM usage for 32 GB RAM system.

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I believe there is a lot of processes running in background on your Windows. With AV and VMware and some other processes running in background and foreground, my RAM usage within 4GB only. Your 7~8 GB is not normal. By the way, I running 32 GB RAM system with VMware running in background.
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QUOTE(life5tyle @ Jul 13 2021, 07:24 PM)
I believe there is a lot of processes running in background on your Windows. With AV and VMware and some other processes running in background and foreground, my RAM usage within 4GB only. Your 7~8 GB is not normal. By the way, I running 32 GB RAM system with VMware running in background.
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It is normal, my company had 700+ PC and it is very normal as we test few and yes many background process is running.

RAM so many, why bother off the background process. I never care and let it all run in background. Haha!

Will only care if the system is slow down, but so far it was very ok.

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It's clean and minimalistic. I like it.
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QUOTE(frantic912 @ Jul 8 2021, 09:23 PM)
any commend for windows 11 if daily use....
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Damn, it's working with VMware 7.1 too,
will keep upgrading to RTM version and see how it goes.
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I have just installed the preview version of Windows 11

So far, I am impressed with the voice typing. In fact, I am writing this utilizing voice typing. I haven't properly trying out the new features of windows 11, and I have just installed the operating system only a couple of hours ago.

I tried to search fogies uh to enable my Android application to be loaded on my windows, but I have not found any such option ,anyone can help with this?
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QUOTE(sol_badguy @ Jul 16 2021, 05:18 AM)
I have just installed the preview version of Windows 11

So far, I am impressed with the voice typing. In fact, I am writing this utilizing voice typing. I haven't properly trying out the new features of windows 11, and I have just installed the operating system only a couple of hours ago.

I tried to search fogies uh to enable my Android application to be loaded on my windows, but I have not found any such option ,anyone can help with this?
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Did you read above? Android apps still not working
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 16 2021, 12:35 AM)
Damn, it's working with VMware 7.1 too,
will keep upgrading to RTM version and see how it goes.
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Windows 11 - Beta 3 (version 22000.71) just release.

More semi transparent effect, fixing the Most used Apps wording cut off issue, seems round corner more smooth now.
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Looks good really. Basically just Windows 10, with smoother animation, rounded corners, new icons and a new soundpack. Will test most of it out tomorrow on the latest build.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 16 2021, 09:05 PM)
Windows 11 - Beta 3 (version 22000.71) just release.

More semi transparent effect, fixing the Most used Apps wording cut off issue, seems round corner more smooth now.
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Where can I get a compiled ISO version of this? Would love to try it out too.
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QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Jul 17 2021, 09:32 AM)
Where can I get a compiled ISO version of this? Would love to try it out too.
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I join Windows Insider Program Dev Channel.

For ISO, you need to Google yourself. Latest build now is 22000.71

If you want see the real power of Windows 11, make it dual boot or boot from another drive.

Testing on VMware is for fun but you won't get the suppose feel of Windows 11.

Only use VMware or any Virtual Machine for solving issue, debugging, development and education.

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QUOTE(petrofsky77 @ Jul 17 2021, 09:32 AM)
Where can I get a compiled ISO version of this? Would love to try it out too.
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or you can get the windows 10 iso legally, install, then join dev channel.
this way you can try it on vmware and virtualbox, slower but safer.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 11 2021, 04:42 PM)
As I explain already, that is due to my system had 32 GB RAM. The RAM usage is similar as Windows 10. The RAM management pattern also same as Windows 10.

When without opening anything, the RAM utilize should be around as following if your system is

  • 32 GB, RAM usage will be around 8 GB
  • 16 GB, RAM usage will be around 5 GB
  • 8 GB, RAM usage will be around 3 GB
  • 4 GB, RAM usage will be around 2 GB

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This was correct, i just test on my pc
When 2×4GB, nothing open use about 2.2GB
When 1×4GB, nothing open use about 1.8GB
Nothing i change on my pc
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So all the essential apps I usually use are working fine on Windows 11.. even the latest games I've played works without issues either. So far pretty smooth little to no problems at all.

I had one issue where I first installed it tho at the start. Windows 11 works fine, but after Windows Update on the settings with all the latest update.. it restarted a few times, and just stop updating and just give me a black screen laugh.gif Good thing pressing the reset button actually didn't mess things up, and updated just fine after.

Two other issues that I noticed that really bothers me is that when I click the clock on the bottom right corner of the taskbar...sometimes the calendar/notification will crash, so does the taskbar icons and etc and restart.. this happened frequently for me probably 10 times now or more, but is a minor issue for me.. The other issue that bothers me is that I can't rename my desktop for some reason.. Clicking rename doesn't allow me to rename it at all lol..

Now to use it for a few weeks and see if all is good. After that will try it once or twice a month going back and forth with Windows 10 which is still my main system. Just in case Microsoft mess things up...and then most likely migrate to 11 when it's official out to the public permanently.

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QUOTE(PJng @ Jul 17 2021, 06:24 PM)
This was correct, i just test on my pc
When 2×4GB, nothing open use about 2.2GB
When 1×4GB, nothing open use about 1.8GB
Nothing i change on my pc
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Great to know you test it out. smile.gif

QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jul 17 2021, 06:59 PM)
So all the essential apps I usually use are working fine on Windows 11.. even the latest games I've played works without issues either. So far pretty smooth little to no problems at all.

I had one issue where I first installed it tho at the start. Windows 11 works fine, but after Windows Update on the settings with all the latest update.. it restarted a few times, and just stop updating and just give me a black screen laugh.gif Good thing pressing the reset button actually didn't mess things up, and updated just fine after.

Two other issues that I noticed that really bothers me is that when I click the clock on the bottom right corner of the taskbar...sometimes the calendar/notification will crash, so does the taskbar icons and etc and restart.. this happened frequently for me probably 10 times now or more, but is a minor issue for me.. The other issue that bothers me is that I can't rename my desktop for some reason.. Clicking rename doesn't allow me to rename it at all lol..

Now to use it for a few weeks and see if all is good. After that will try it once or twice a month going back and forth with Windows 10 which is still my main system. Just in case Microsoft mess things up...and then most likely migrate to 11 when it's official out to the public permanently.
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The notification crash is new bugs in latest beta 3, build 22000.71 and I already feedback to Microsoft.

No such issue on Beta 2 and 1.
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just know windows 10 setting will inform meet requirement or not for windows 11

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QUOTE(PJng @ Jul 17 2021, 08:13 PM)
just know windows 10 setting will inform meet requirement or not for windows 11

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Yup, Microsoft won't push out Windows 11 beta if your PC not meet the requirement even you join the Dev channel.
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Yup, Microsoft won't push out Windows 11 beta if your PC not meet the requirement even you join the Dev channel.
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That why need to download Windows 10 and 11 ISO and replace the files whistling.gif
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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Jul 17 2021, 09:12 PM)
That why need to download Windows 10 and 11 ISO and replace the files whistling.gif
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Google is your friend. I am not the ISO provider or distributor. tongue.gif

After test up to Beta 3, I kind of know why Microsoft limited the CPU already.

The Final Windows 11 will probably more fancy and much heavier on CPU and GPU usage than Windows 10.

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QUOTE(PJng @ Jul 17 2021, 08:13 PM)
just know windows 10 setting will inform meet requirement or not for windows 11
QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 17 2021, 08:59 PM)
Yup, Microsoft won't push out Windows 11 beta if your PC not meet the requirement even you join the Dev channel.
The system is messed up
My PC shows incompatible but Windows 11 Insider Preview update still appears in Windows Update LOL

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jul 18 2021, 11:38 PM)
The system is messed up
My PC shows incompatible but Windows 11 Insider Preview update still appears in Windows Update LOL

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Hahaha1 Maybe Microsoft change now, they let you install but not responsible to it. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 17 2021, 10:28 PM)
Google is your friend. I am not the ISO provider or distributor.  tongue.gif

After test up to Beta 3, I kind of know why Microsoft limited the CPU already.

The Final Windows 11 will probably more fancy and much heavier on CPU and GPU usage than Windows 10.
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The last paragraph can be translated to poorly optimized or they just heck care, if this is real.

poorly optimized OS will eat into your game FPS, if you're gamer.
it will be nightmare for lappy user. 8 hour battery life become 2 hours, it's counterproductive
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 19 2021, 12:21 AM)
The last paragraph can be translated to poorly optimized or they just heck care, if this is real.

poorly optimized OS will eat into your game FPS, if you're gamer.
it will be nightmare for lappy user. 8 hour battery life become 2 hours, it's counterproductive
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I think you should check your current Windows 10. Following issue if happen, your Windows is very something wrong.
If you not sort it out, you may facing more issue later in Windows 11.

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[quote=1024kbps,Jul 1 2021, 06:03 PM]
Nope, I can open several vm and game without much waiting, boot up is faster than before, but opening windows explorer is slow as heck,
I can click it 10 times and it will open 10 times later 🤔😹

I'm on nvme with a lot of hdd btw.
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[quote=1024kbps,Jul 1 2021, 06:06 PM]
My company use win10 on Celeron too, 4gb ram, pening file from thumb drive takes forever unless I disable the real-time anti malware scanner
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[quote=1024kbps,Jul 2 2021, 06:30 PM]
Windows 10 itself is sluggish due to it's own malware. scanner. Trust me, half of your cpu resources was used to real time scanning those unimportant things.

Windows is too complicated and full of security issues, hence the scanner, for casual usage should use Linux, not Microsoft power virus
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Updated to 22000.71

Strangely, the incompatibility warning is still there LOL

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 19 2021, 12:28 AM)
I think you should check your current Windows 10. Following issue if happen, your Windows is very something wrong.
If you not sort it out, you may facing more issue later in Windows 11.

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[quote=1024kbps,Jul 1 2021, 06:03 PM]
Nope, I can open several vm and game without much waiting, boot up is faster than before, but opening windows explorer is slow as heck,
I can click it 10 times and it will open 10 times later 🤔😹

I'm on nvme with a lot of hdd btw.
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[quote=1024kbps,Jul 1 2021, 06:06 PM]
My company use win10 on Celeron too, 4gb ram, pening file from thumb drive takes forever unless I disable the real-time anti malware scanner
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[quote=1024kbps,Jul 2 2021, 06:30 PM]
Windows 10 itself is sluggish due to it's own malware. scanner. Trust me, half of your cpu resources was used to real time scanning those unimportant things.

Windows is too complicated and full of security issues, hence the scanner, for casual usage should use Linux, not Microsoft power virus
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im on dev channel, anyway if it's going RTM, clean install is needed, we'll see how it perform in clean install, my current windows is really slow lol, planning to change to different mobo anyway.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 17 2021, 07:32 PM)
The notification crash is new bugs in latest beta 3, build 22000.71 and I already feedback to Microsoft.

No such issue on Beta 2 and 1.
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Even widgets doesn't work for some reason.. Not loading and crashing. Besides that haven't encounter other issues,
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Even widgets doesn't work for some reason.. Not loading and crashing. Besides that haven't encounter other issues,
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For widget, so far so good to me, didn’t facing any crash issue.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 19 2021, 09:36 AM)
For widget, so far so good to me, didn’t facing any crash issue.
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You know when first click the widget it starts loading stuff right.. Mine just tried to load and then it will just crash lol. Which is a bit funny because it was working fine before. It's alright I guess since I probably won't be using it much when retail is out, even when it is fixed.
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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jul 19 2021, 11:13 AM)
You know when first click the widget it starts loading stuff right.. Mine just tried to load and then it will just crash lol. Which is a bit funny because it was working fine before. It's alright I guess since I probably won't be using it much when retail is out, even when it is fixed.
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Clicking on the date and time or notification icon in the taskbar is crashing explorer.exe on Build 22000.71 Temp Solution from Feedback Hub

Turn on Focus Assist by choosing either Priority Only or Alarm Mode will solved the Crash.

You will still facing one more time crash after turning on, but after that no more crash even after system restart.

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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 19 2021, 01:15 AM)
im on dev channel, anyway if it's going RTM, clean install is needed, we'll see how it perform in clean install, my current windows is really slow lol, planning to change to different mobo anyway.
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me too. heck im on 10y old i7 2700k rig. win11 dev since day one without issue.

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So Microsoft just added Chat (Microsoft Teams) without informing. lol... Microsoft is intrude. tongue.gif

This version is kind of very beta, I try create a group at mobile and delete it and it is gone at phone but stuck at Windows 11 version one and no way to delete it under Recent. The hide option is not working at the moment as well.

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Any one here have problem with W11 where the top bar of a window always go black (nothing is clickable, not draggable).

Have to restart the application for it to go away, started like 2 days back.
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Any one here have problem with W11 where the top bar of a window always go black (nothing is clickable, not draggable).
I have that issue too
But it would go away after forcing to close that certain window

But it will repeat itself after some time
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QUOTE(Darkripper @ Jul 22 2021, 01:00 PM)
Any one here have problem with W11 where the top bar of a window always go black (nothing is clickable, not draggable).

Have to restart the application for it to go away, started like 2 days back.
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Never face this issue so far. Thanks it is not from leaked to beta 1, beta 2 and current beta 3.

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QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Jul 20 2021, 05:09 PM)
me too. heck im on 10y old i7 2700k rig. win11 dev since day one without issue.
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damn, how is the performance on w11?
it's too slow to use here, mainly from windows explorer and settings.

right click > wait 5 sec > menu
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 22 2021, 09:57 PM)
damn, how is the performance on w11?
it's too slow to use here, mainly from windows explorer and settings.

right click > wait 5 sec > menu
state of the art operating system, hell yeah
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You need to do fresh install, and probably change your hard disk also if it is HDD.

Your slow performance from Windows 10 to now Windows 11 description is ridiculous.

My 5+ years laptop Windows 10 also never behave like that. Right click Contents Menu is instant appear.

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Windows 11 Beta 4 is out! Build 22000.100

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  • Rounded corner pop-up when clicking Show Hidden Icons. They is a bugs here where you need to change themes color before it properly show corner round.
  • New Touch Keyboard icon at Taskbar.
  • Right Click Contents Menu no longer cut off the icon part or auto disappear in double click setup. Single click still a bit troublesome where you need to ensure it is already in selection mode before you right click it.
  • Notification Center at taskbar no longer crash when open even without set any Focus Assists. New Focus Assist Settings appear on top the Notification Center.
  • Settings - The page title in Settings no longer be drawing too high up / off screen.
New Build 22000.100 with better page title alignment.
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Right Click Contents Menu no longer cut off the icon.
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Rounded corner pop-up when clicking Show Hidden Icons.
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New Focus Assist Settings on top the Notification Center.
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My current Desktop View (Big Clock and white icon is Rainmeter, not from Windows 11)
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No need go to other tech site,
Lyn already got update change log
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QUOTE(PJng @ Jul 23 2021, 01:47 PM)
No need go to other tech site,
Lyn already got update change log
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 23 2021, 08:07 AM)
Windows 11 Beta 4 is out! Build 22000.100
Installed. Solved a lot of issues, but still no way to move the taskbar to another screen without changing the assignment of main display sweat.gif
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Ffs finally I can rename my desktop's name.. I have on issue tho that still persist in the new update.. well at least I think it's an issue... when choosing dark mode in personalization.. and you snap windows and stuff.. there is a white border that I can't remove... damn I can't really OCD lol
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jul 23 2021, 04:09 PM)
Installed. Solved a lot of issues, but still no way to move the taskbar to another screen without changing the assignment of main display sweat.gif
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This is cons, I agreed! The taskbar features is so limited compare with Windows 10.
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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jul 23 2021, 05:17 PM)
Ffs finally I can rename my desktop's name.. I have on issue tho that still persist in the new update.. well at least I think it's an issue... when choosing dark mode in personalization.. and you snap windows and stuff.. there is a white border that I can't remove... damn I can't really OCD lol
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Can you take some screenshot, I don't get what you mean.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 23 2021, 05:17 PM)
This is cons, I agreed! The taskbar features is so limited compare with Windows 10.
Hopefully they'll allow moving the taskbar to another screen in the next update
Or at least when the stable version is released

I use my main screen to game so I want the taskbar to be on the secondary monitor
This way I can see all the notifications while I game without the need to switch to the desktop through ALT+TAB
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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jul 23 2021, 05:24 PM)
Hopefully they'll allow moving the taskbar to another screen in the next update
Or at least when the stable version is released

I use my main screen to game so I want the taskbar to be on the secondary monitor
This way I can see all the notifications while I game without the need to switch to the desktop through ALT+TAB
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Yup, I hope it getting back all the taskbar feature in Windows 10. I normally put at side for second screen, but now only can put at bottom, so second screen now I disable it.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 23 2021, 05:22 PM)
Can you take some screenshot, I don't get what you mean.
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Basically the windows border.

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It doesn't happen for full size windows, only appear when you use snap windows. For users using dark mode, if you use light mode instead, the border is black which isn't so noticeable. Rip dark mode users like me who has OCD mega_shok.gif

I've also just gotten a bug where, there is just a transparent border of windows on the desktop.. and I can't see the desktop laugh.gif Easily fixed by clicking the "Show Desktop" on the taskbar tho.

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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jul 23 2021, 05:44 PM)
Basically the windows border.

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It doesn't happen for full size windows, only appear when you use snap windows. For users using dark mode, if you use light mode instead, the border is black which isn't so noticeable. Rip dark mode users like me who has OCD  mega_shok.gif

I've also just gotten a bug where, there is just a transparent border of windows on the desktop.. and I can't see the desktop laugh.gif Easily fixed by clicking the "Show Desktop" on the taskbar tho.
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How come your corner is not rounded, what build are you at.

This is not full screen, no border as you mentioned and corner is rounded.
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 24 2021, 12:38 AM)
How come your corner is not rounded, what build are you at.

This is not full screen, no border as you mentioned and corner is rounded.
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It's not rounded when you snap between 2 windows. It's the latest build.

Also the app in questioned is Discord and Whatsapp for desktop. It might just be because most apps aren't update for Windows 11 yet maybe idk. Or the issue is an isolated case, but i've seen people complaining about it as well on reddit.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 23 2021, 07:47 AM)
You need to do fresh install, and probably change your hard disk also if it is HDD.

Your slow performance from Windows 10 to now Windows 11 description is ridiculous.

My 5+ years laptop Windows 10 also never behave like that. Right click Contents Menu is instant appear.
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actually i had a lot of issue on Win10, mostly slow boot issue, I'm using 960evo m2 for years, although the slow booting issue is gone.
Now on W11 the performance issue is right click menu, it's fine if right click on folder, but right click on image file is really slow, but disappears on subsequent right click.

Im on latest dev build btw, the slow issue probably due to unoptimized codes or the os has some sort of dubugging code enabled, which is expected on any kind of alpha software.
Just never expected it was that slow.
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Just encounter an issue where I can't right click or even left click on my mouse. A restart fixed it, but man... laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jul 24 2021, 07:12 PM)
Just encounter an issue where I can't right click or even left click on my mouse. A restart fixed it, but man... laugh.gif
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dev build = buggy
now im facing lagging animation when dragging the program around when playing games.

also AMD provided bare driver for w11 without Radeon software, which is sucks.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 24 2021, 05:49 PM)
actually i had a lot of issue on Win10, mostly slow boot issue, I'm using 960evo m2 for years, although the slow booting issue is gone.
Now on W11 the performance issue is right click menu, it's fine if right click on folder, but right click on image file is really slow, but disappears on subsequent right click.

Im on latest dev build btw, the slow issue probably due to unoptimized codes or the os has some sort of dubugging code enabled, which is expected on any kind of alpha software.
Just never expected it was that slow.
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Right click is still buggy in Windows 11. The only solution to prevent auto disappear is using double click for the moment.

For speed wise, no issue for me. It is freaking fast and instant.

Here My Windows 11 performance video start from Windows 11 boot-up.



QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 24 2021, 07:20 PM)
dev build = buggy
now im facing lagging animation when dragging the program around when playing games. 

also AMD provided bare driver for w11 without Radeon software, which is sucks.
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I think I seen your issue on Windows 11 in this case, if AMD not provide full functional GPU driver, then you may face slow performance.

QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 16 2021, 12:35 AM)
Damn, it's working with VMware 7.1 too,
will keep upgrading to RTM version and see how it goes.
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Wait, from this comment you mentioned before, if you are running in VMware, nothing you can talk in performance as VMware is not fully utilize your hardware and the GPU driver is always simulation to SVGA 3D only for all Windows version.

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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jul 24 2021, 03:33 PM)
It's not rounded when you snap between 2 windows. It's the latest build.

Also the app in questioned is Discord and Whatsapp for desktop. It might just be because most apps aren't update for Windows 11 yet maybe idk. Or the issue is an isolated case, but i've seen people complaining about it as well on reddit.
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I didn't face the issue for WhatsApp in dark mode. It is rounded when not in full screen also since Beta 1.
Discord I didn't use, no idea.

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Wah, win 11 on ur pc so fast start up, not yet see spinning icon lock screen is show
Still look weird start icon on middle
1st time ms change right click menu so buggy and slow
Not coding probably?

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QUOTE(PJng @ Jul 24 2021, 10:49 PM)
Wah, win 11 on ur pc so fast start up, not yet see spinning icon lock screen is show
Still look weird start icon on middle
1st time ms change right click menu so buggy and slow
Not coding probably?
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The right click menu still need many works, I think it is due to overlapping issue, you click more option will bring you to older Windows 10 design. I think they should make all in new design.
Waiting they fixed this issue.

Haha! ya it is very fast login to the system. Tell you a secret, installing Windows 10 and Windows 11 from fresh is less than 10 minutes. biggrin.gif

You can move Start to left but not for me. Middle look simply awesome and I love it. Haha!

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QUOTE(PJng @ Jul 24 2021, 10:49 PM)
Wah, win 11 on ur pc so fast start up, not yet see spinning icon lock screen is show
Still look weird start icon on middle
1st time ms change right click menu so buggy and slow
Not coding probably?
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they have debug mode enabled, probably, you can't have debug code enabled while enable optimization, compiler optimization will remove debug symbol.

the app with debuggable symbol helps the OS dev in case they request you to send the crash log or other useful info, hence they warn you the unstable w11 build on dev channel.
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 24 2021, 11:11 PM)
they have debug mode enabled, probably, you can't have debug code enabled while enable optimization, compiler optimization will remove debug symbol.

the app with debuggable symbol helps the OS dev in case they request you to send the crash log or other useful info, hence they warn you the unstable w11 build on dev channel.
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But it is not slow like what you said right, your mentioned experience is like Windows Me time.

My video proof it, it is fast. The only place need to wait 1 ~ 2 seconds is when right click on 1st click.
This right click is buggy and seems very buggy. The rest is no different than Win 10.

Those required internet access apps, off course take sometimes in 1st load, this is same as Win 10.
This part is more due to internet speed performance issue.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 24 2021, 09:44 PM)
Right click is still buggy in Windows 11. The only solution to prevent auto disappear is using double click for the moment.

For speed wise, no issue for me. It is freaking fast and instant.

Here My Windows 11 performance video start from Windows 11 boot-up.


I think I seen your issue on Windows 11 in this case, if AMD not provide full functional GPU driver, then you may face slow performance.
Wait, from this comment you mentioned before, if you are running in VMware, nothing you can talk in performance as VMware is not fully utilize your hardware and the GPU driver is always simulation to SVGA 3D only for all Windows version.
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I know what am i doing, do you really think i can install radeon driver into VMware? sweat.gif

The Windows 10 and 11 are just reskinned Windws 7, the legacy components are still there.

There are 2 menus, 2 control panels, 2 color scheme, Windows 12 will have 3-in-1 stuff mixed together tongue.gif
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 24 2021, 11:21 PM)
I know what am i doing, do you really think i can install radeon driver into VMware? sweat.gif

The Windows 10 and 11 are just reskinned Windws 7, the legacy components are still there.

There are 2 menus, 2 control panels, 2 color scheme, Windows 12 will have 3-in-1 stuff mixed together tongue.gif
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Who knows maybe you are Superb Genius and can install Radeon driver into VMware.
Since you already genius enough to make simple task of Windows Explorer in Windows 10 sluggish lag. tongue.gif
If you are the IT person in your company, I feel pity on the user as you can make the Windows 10 need to disable the real-time anti malware scanner before the thumb drive is functioning as it suppose.
Please look back what you have type before, do you think your Windows 10 and 11 performance realistic? It is exaggerate too much.

Windows 10 is very smooth as long as you installed at SSD.

Not sure what had you done to your Windows, from your ridiculous performance talk is obvious you did something wrong to it but push all the blame to Windows.
I rather hope you talk nonsense in this part actually, as to make Windows Explorer sluggish lag need to be Superb Genius person just can do it. tongue.gif

I even manage to run Windows 10 at this antique PC which is 14+ years old spec now and it run fine also.
Remember this is 14+ years old PC spec but your talk on performance seems worst than this antique.



For the same feature multiple apps part, I am agreed Microsoft should standardize into one.

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Start about 1.55, that search bar on start is not search?
Click it reopen search, weird stuff
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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 24 2021, 09:53 PM)
I didn't face the issue for WhatsApp in dark mode. It is rounded when not in full screen also since Beta 1.
Discord I didn't use, no idea.

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Did you use the snap layout feature or not. Have a look if you never use it before, because I always use it. It's never rounded when you snap, it will remain sharp in the corners like old Windows. Idk if it's just me but I'm looking at other users who use it as well and it's not rounded either.
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QUOTE(PJng @ Jul 25 2021, 08:41 AM)

Start about 1.55, that search bar on start is not search?
Click it reopen search, weird stuff
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Yup, it is a very stupid implementation for the search add-on on top the Start.
It just a link to open Search. Very stupid. I hope they change it.
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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jul 25 2021, 09:32 AM)
Did you use the snap layout feature or not. Have a look if you never use it before, because I always use it. It's never rounded when you snap, it will remain sharp in the corners like old Windows. Idk if it's just me but I'm looking at other users who use it as well and it's not rounded either.
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You mean below this?

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Now I get what you mean. Haha! and the Snap Layout is actually not really support under WhatsApp yet.

When you point over, nothing is pop-up for let you select layout in WhatsApp.
You still can snap in by pointing others support app 1st and yes the corner is not rounded. sweat.gif
Probably because of not actual support, so it is not rounded and impact others app that join together.

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I still prefer PowerToys as it can control by keyboard to snap in and use own preferable window size. I seldom use Windows 11 Snap Layout.

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 25 2021, 09:46 AM)
You mean below this?

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Now I get what you mean and the Snap Layout is not support under WhatsApp.

When you point over, nothing is pop-up for let you select layout in WhatsApp.
You still can snap in by pointing others support app 1st and yes the corner is not rounded. sweat.gif
Probably because of not actual support, so it is not rounded and impact others app that join together.

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I still prefer PowerToys as it can control by keyboard to snap in and use own preferable window size. I seldom use Windows 11 Snap Layout.
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Yeah and you can see the border lines too using it. So I end up resizing the windows on my own to remove it. Well for the snapping is easy just drag to the left side of the screen and it will snap left, or drag the window on right side of the screen it will snap right, besides using the snap layout. Just a handy way of resizing windows for me, which I've been using ever since Windows 10 came out.
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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jul 25 2021, 09:58 AM)
Yeah and you can see the border lines too using it. So I end up resizing the windows on my own to remove it. Well for the snapping is easy just drag to the left side of the screen and it will snap left, or drag the window on right side of the screen it will snap right, besides using the snap layout. Just a handy way of resizing windows for me, which I've been using ever since Windows 10 came out.
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You can try the PowerToys FancyZones, it got more features, I love this, it is fast and easier to control how we want the layout size, and also can set pressing the Shift key to snap in.
Also the corner is rounded using this.

Link: https://github.com/microsoft/PowerToys/releases/

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jul 24 2021, 11:25 PM)
Who knows maybe you are Superb Genius and can install Radeon driver into VMware.
Since you already genius enough to make simple task of Windows Explorer in Windows 10 sluggish lag. tongue.gif
If you are the IT person in your company, I feel pity on the user as you can make the Windows 10 need to disable the real-time anti malware scanner before the thumb drive is functioning as it suppose.
Please look back what you have type before, do you think your Windows 10 and 11 performance realistic? It is exaggerate too much.

Windows 10 is very smooth as long as you installed at SSD.

Not sure what had you done to your Windows, from your ridiculous performance talk is obvious you did something wrong to it but push all the blame to Windows.
I rather hope you talk nonsense in this part actually, as to make Windows Explorer sluggish lag need to be Superb Genius person just can do it. tongue.gif

I even manage to run Windows 10 at this antique PC which is 14+ years old spec now and it run fine also.
Remember this is 14+ years old PC spec but your talk on performance seems worst than this antique.



For the same feature multiple apps part, I am agreed Microsoft should standardize into one.
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i like how a simple discussion can become personal attack, you already sounded like hardcore fanboi.

people need to understand everyone PC and hardware is different, and additional software installed need to taken into consideration as well,
do you even tried to run some analytical software from usb drive? does your system have all usb, sata, nvme and pcie slot populated?

I guess the conversation is over, i let you be the superb genius then sweat.gif
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QUOTE(1024kbps @ Jul 25 2021, 10:16 AM)
i like how a simple discussion can become personal attack, you already sounded like hardcore fanboi.

people need to understand everyone PC and hardware is different, and additional software installed need to taken into consideration as well,
do you even tried to run some analytical software from usb drive? does your system have all usb, sata, nvme and pcie slot populated?

I guess the conversation is over, i let you be the superb genius then sweat.gif
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I did not attack you but what you talk in Windows 10 poor performance is pretty nonsense by over exaggerate it. This need to be correct as your information is misleading.

You should change to Unix, Linux, macOS or any others OS not by Microsoft as Windows not suite you.

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Happens to all my 5 PCs that were upgraded to Windows 11 22000.100 sweat.gif

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Anyone has the same issue as me where the "Real-time protection" for Windows Security keep turning off every time you start your PC?
Happens to all my 5 PCs that were upgraded to Windows 11 22000.100 sweat.gif

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Ya I also face this issue, hope it get fixed soon.