This is a continuation from the thread "Digital TV Station Malaysia"

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1921291

This post has been edited by 9M-MAS: Nov 11 2019, 09:06 AM

Finally new thread...

Put this on the first post:
Website:
https://myfreeview.tv/

And the link for original decoder:
Pensonic
https://estore.pensonic.com/product/mytv-br...decoder-ir-9410

Green Packet
https://shopee.com.my/SIRIM-MCMC-Certified-...3781.2251258034

Botato:
https://www.lazada.com.my/products/sirim-mc...7b87OCM9zL&mp=1

https://shopee.com.my/SIRIM-MCMC-Certified-...3663.2066895683

Recently joined TV ownership club, yet to use it at new house ( not ready )

From my reading, I just need cable connection to condo's output, IINM I need RG-6 cable.
Asked at computer shop and senheng, they dont have it. Any convenient place to buy it ? Did found it in lazada

Add-on links for official sites of authorized dealers taken from myfreeview.tv site.
https://www.mytvbroadcasting.my/wakil_penjual/
https://www.greenpacket.com/brands/gp-device#dttdecoder
https://www.botato.com.my/index.php?route=p...&product_id=281

Usually can buy from hardware or electronics parts shops. Can also use old astro cable with plugs bought from shop.

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Hi i just bought this prostar thinpanel digital tv. Doesnt seem to work couldnt get signal. Do i still need the set top box ? My tv is already dvb t2 compatible



This post has been edited by =o.0=/kua/11: Nov 2 2019, 11:34 PM

What type of antenna are you using?

Wah good price botato box - affordable.

Maybe u need antenna that comes with a booster? I bought mine for ±RM12 from shopee.

I tested plugging in everything but without the booster (powered via usb), can't get a single channel during scan. With the booster on, it scanned and got all the channels.

Lol so i got conned ? Bought this for rm75

Hi congrats for V2. I want to ask what is the function of RF OUT at the back of decoder? Can i use it for my other tv? Since my other tv is an IDTV, so i think i just need a female to female connector straight to my second tv right?

did you power up the antenna or not? some antenna need to power up to be able to use. try to move around your area to get signal.

just go to discount store like supersave or mr diy. i think they have ready made cable

honestly for only rm20 u can get much better external antenna

It is for super super old TVs and devices that does not have AV (composite) inputs.
You connect that RF OUT port to an analogue TV's ANT IN port, and then you perform auto scan, you will see there's one analogue TV channel is showing the video output of the digital TV box.

Basically, it works like you're watching it on RCA (AV composite) output from the digital TV box, but it's this, is watching it via 1 analogue TV channel.
You switch channels on the digital TV box, the picture on that analogue TV channel changes too. It's just a video output.

Old TVs that doesn't have AV composite input are very rare la seriously. For those who still using that, ugh, just get a new TV...

Thank you for explanation. Actually I've never seen that kind of output before 😂

Really? Any specific brand/model?

My rm12 antenna is good enough though.. signal 90-95, quality 85-90..

It’s working now. Have to move the antenna to a higher place. But it is still missing rtm1, 2 and hd sports.

Thanks all for the help!

if can, try to get an outdoor rooftop UHF antenna with astro white cable for best reception.

[quote=joshhd,Nov 2 2019, 10:39 PM]
Include this PDF attachment as well, it can also used for archived purpose.
https://www.mytvbroadcasting.my/pdf/Lists-of-frequency.pdf

Now it's from 546MHz to 722MHz (allocated one is originally 470-742MHz for DTT broadcast).
But when the DTT frequencies restacks in several months later to make way for 700MHz 4G/5G, it shall only be within 474-690MHz range.

As for technical info, besides DVB-T2, Malaysia uses 256QAM, Guard Interval 19/256, COFDM (FFT) 32k FEC 2/3.

Don't forget the DTH version of MYTV too.
For those in outside DTT coverage, can opt for the DTH satellite version of MYTV to watch myFreeview channels as it has 100% nationwide coverage.

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It’s useful for people who aren’t tech savvy and still press the ch + and ch - on their TV remote

Hahaha... It's not wrong to say that simply pressing ch- and ch+ buttons on remote is indeed very easy to use. So simple, and not complicated.

Yup, but when they press it on the TV remote instead of the decoder and they are going to ask why it shows no signal 🤦‍♂️... sharp TV input list shows input 1,2,3,4.... not clear to everyone and it doesn’t even have the rename input list function

By the way what’s the exact search term for the cable

What cable are you referring to?

The one from the RF out from the DVB T2 decoder to the TV analog input

Already hooked up hdmi, but unfortunately my aunt press the CH + , CH - button on the TV remote instead of the decoder

This post has been edited by yongtjunkit: Nov 4 2019, 10:05 AM

According to Wikipedia: Male (left) and female Belling-Lee cable
Belling Lee connector cable is also known as TV aerial cable or PAL cable.

Anyhow, it's not necessarily must buy this specific type of cable.
You can use RG-6 coaxial cable (Astro white cable), and terminate the ends of the cable with whatever connectors you want, including Belling Lee connector, either male or female port.

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If your aunt gets confused by using either TV remote or the Digital TV remote control, then just tell your aunt to use only the digital tv remote, and stop using TV remote completely, including adjust audio volume.

You adjust TV volume higher a bit, then tell your aunt to use digital TV box's remote to adjust the volume, not the TV. Then, you keep the TV remote somewhere else in the drawer or something. Take it out only when you need to change some other settings on TV, or use other smart TV functions.

Oh, I see... if I were to hide the remote, how do I switch the TV off?

Errr... Walk to the TV then press the power button to switch it off? 😂
Does your digital TV box remote control can set some settings to be able to switch on/off the TV, adjust TV volume, and change TV input source (like Astro remote control). If yes, go set it.

If no, then errr, maybe tell your aunt to only use the TV remote to switch on and off the TV, and nothing else.

It's similar concept to old Tandy/Amstrad/Amiga or even old consoles where instead of using the RCA, you use the antenna input

Yes, you may connect your IDTV via RF Out function to get DTT signal, as long the cable is high quality (HDMI/TV Boxes will affect DTT reception). Some of the DTT boxes (in overseas) indeed have RF Out function to convert digital TV into analogue TV signal for video input (like what we saw in some old school Astro decoders). The RF OUT port, at least on the MYTV DVB-T2 box, only provide signal passthrough for existing analogue (no longer exists)/DTT signals. This mean that you can hook up many TV Boxes, provide if these TV boxes have RF OUT and the signal is strong enough and both set top boxes are also connected (DTT signal levels will reduce when you hook up from one box to another). These boxes must be in standby/On mode, otherwise the passthrough won't work.

Oh yeah... It's pass-through/loop...
Yeah you're right about the RF Out. Now I remember...

When we able to get 16:9 for NTV7 & 8TV?

On display, all Malaysia FTA SD channels now are already in 16:9
The video itself will still be in 4:3 but without letterbox, so it's 16:9 fit to screen already. Since the display itself is already in 16:9, then I don't think there's much to talk about... Cuz even if they transmit in native 16:9 SD, you'll hardly see any visual difference or quality improvement.

Does this mean that the RF out is just a passthrough, not an old way to connect to the TV?

ehm... generally all channels fit the screen well.

Just when i switch channel to TV3, it will show 16:9 with HD, even the watermark for myfreeview is damn small.

while NTV7 & 8TV, the info still showing 4:3 without HD, and the myfreeview watermark is so obvious...

of course besides the watermark, those HD channels having better picture quality.

sorry, it shows double post...

This post has been edited by dannyw: Nov 4 2019, 04:58 PM

Because the canvas resolution they use for SD and HD channels are different. One is 720x576, another is 1920x1080, so the watermark is scaled at its original resolution, and you'll see the difference.
Very technical stuff la, dunno how to explain in layman terms.

Just don't bother the watermark... Wait another few more days. If watermark still there, then go complain to MYTV.

Yup. As I know so far the RF OUT on SKMM certified Malaysian DVB-T2 boxes is just an passthrough. If someone with very old TV want to convert their TV to digital TV, they may buy an RF transmitter so that digital TV can be displayed on old TV via analogue RF channel (Some may want to keep their useable old TV as long as possible, one of my relatives actually still have a very old working TV on their bedroom) or just buy a newer flat screen TV with DVB-T2 function.

I see, so it is usable for my IDTV to use the RF out function to get digital signals? Meaning that one box can be used for two TV right since the signal will pass through.

Yup. Just make sure that the set top box is on when you want to watch TV on IDTV if you connect your TV via RF OUT on the set top box. It won't work if there is no power.

Meanwhile, some news update from the upcoming satellite pay TV provider, Sirius TV:


Source: https://www.facebook.com/Siriusmalaysia.tv/...133868351356193

Brief translation:
Okay, so MYTV is not happy that the sales of their STB brand is not performing well as they would wanted it to be.

In other words, all viewers to have the "inconvenience" to switch between input sources (e.g. from DTT to HDMI 1, and vice versa) is still way cheaper than allowing/providing all DTT channels onto your platform.
So lesson learnt, don't rely on Sirius TV or any other pay TV providers to provide you the convenience to be able to watch all DTT channels on a single platform, in expense of them needing to pay a lot of money to MYTV or broadcaster.
So just get a DVB-T2 box or TV with DVB-T2 function to receive digital TV channels via UHF antenna...

MYTV DVB T2 box is overpriced.... 3rd party MCMC certified box cost half of the mytv dvbt2 box.

I thought that DvB T2 is free for everyone to use(any decoder,TV,etc)?

This post has been edited by yongtjunkit: Nov 6 2019, 08:28 AM

Correct me if wrong, are we seeing another monopoly ? Others need MYTV approval ? Not approved 'because' they don't earn enough from lack of sales for own TV box ?

MYTV indeed is a monopoly and single player for Malaysia DTT.

If you ask this to MYTV, their answers would be like:
"Oh, we invested millions to billions to build the DTT infrastructure in Malaysia, and provide Malaysians digital TV broadcasts for free, and viewers just have to use a DVB-T2 box and UHF antenna to receive it.
So when new satellite pay tv players want to have combo tuners with DVB-T2, we have to right to charge them lor... We can't just let them have the DVB-T2 function build in to a satellite pay tv STB just like that to allow viewers to watch DTT channels for free. It's like your "service" depends on our technology to get channels without paying. We invested so much money in infrastructure leh, and it's justifiable for us to charge them. "

Basically, they want to earn some money lor...

That's what happens when everything is privatized, and made into for-profit organizations.

The government should reclassify DTT as an essential service, similar to public transportation and utilities.

It is a human right to be kept informed.

Of course this is Malaysia, where money rules everything, so.....

Speaking of which, is the bitrate counts on all channels relatively unchanged since last month?

https://www.soyacincau.com/2019/11/08/lets-...digital-tv-lta/

To be honest, they said some quite a few mistakes especially when it comes to technical and installation stuff...
One of the example, that guy holding the MYTV Advance box,
and said that it can also connect to satellite dish especially in rural areas that is out of DTT coverage.
I was like, hmmmm..... That particular MYTV box is not even the Hybrid S2+T2 model

itulah, that guy terlalu banyak baca Utusan previously and authentically become katak bawah tempurung... sampai terang-terang silap pun tak erti.

Btw just to share this episode of Singapore's documentary produced by Mediacorp, that talks about outdoor UHF antennas installed way up high in around Muar, as high as 80 foot (24.3 metres), and an antenna installer further explains the safety risks of doing such dangerous jobs.

Also, a Muar-ian that has been watching Singapore channels since young, is now working in Singapore as a Mediacorp TV programme host.






*English subtitle available.
Seek between 6:10-9:20 and 11:26-14:58 if you're just interested on the main part about the infamous UHF antennas installed high up in Muar.
From 14:58 onwards until end, it no longer talks about the Singapore TV reception in Muar, so not necessary got to watch entire episode if you're not interested.

Which creates a market for non-MCMC approved third party T2/S2 decoders on Lazada and Shopee.

Thanks for the programme, watched almost ALL episode. As you know, northern ppl like me is impoosible to watch S'pore Ch.8 live. We are more attached to Thai TV which available for decades ago, thanks to their TV signal overspill.

How can I watch all the usual free-to-air channels on an Android box?
ie. RTM1 & 2, TV3, 8TV...

You can install the Tonton app and the RTM app. Otherwise can also use browser to watch on RTM website or tonton.com.my

It's not for free, RTM and Media Prima etc have to pay a (large) monthly rental to be transmitted.
The question is whether MyTV have actually met the contract requirements to be paid. Their coverage looks very below target to me.

Well, broadcasters definitely have to pay MYTV for transmitting their channels. What I meant is, viewers can watch it for free without monthly subscription.
And what you meant by "MyTV have actually met the contract requirements to be paid"? This part I don't get it.

Hi guys, going to buy a new cheap led TV.
What's the benefits of buying digital TV instead of analog TV?

There's no new analogue TV out there anymore....
Any new model TVs you buy today, already has digital TV DVB-T2 built-in.

What benefits of digital TV? More channels, clear picture quality, some channels is in Full HD quality, with electronic programme guide (EPG) where you can see the current programme name showing on the channel you're watching. It's basically the features that you get on Astro (if you have) since last time, now you can get it on digital TV, and all these by using TV antenna (UHF) and it's free, no monthly subscription.

Basically, last time you used to know that using TV antenna to receive TV signals are those static that looks "snowy" and "lots of white dots on screen".
That's called analogue TV. Since 1 Nov 2019, analogue broadcast has entirely switched off in Malaysia, hence replaced with digital broadcast.

More info at https://myfreeview.tv/

Noted and.thanks!
I'm online shopping for 40 inch TV.
Even a digital TV also need antenna to received broadcasts?

https://shopee.com.my/product/28075514/1553228050?smtt=0.0.

This Toshiba TV is digital?

RTM 1080p myklik stream dropped quality from 3.96Mbps to 2.2Mbps.

Yes it supports digital.
As long you see DVB-T2 or DTTV Malaysia label on the product page or the TV, that means it is digital TV built in.

Yes. Make sure to use good UHF antenna. Refer to that myFreeview website to know more.

No single app?
Troublesome to switch apps just to change channel from RTM to Media Prima stuff

If you are on UniFi, can also use their PlayTV app.

pj this morning until this time posting, 666 signal lost, only 698 is available but like oreo only signal. wtf, pj signal so weak meh?

Can you please sticky the PDF attachment to the top post as well? Proved useful and can't seem to find that information from the official site.

On my new TV with the IDTV decoder, I only managed to receive some channels using automatic tuning. Turns out the channels are broadcasted over two frequencies / channel, and manual tuning helped me solve that.

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Include this PDF attachment as well, it can also used for archived purpose.
https://www.mytvbroadcasting.my/pdf/Lists-of-frequency.pdf

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My friend took down his 10+ years old UHF antenna from rooftop to "rewire" the antenna to connect to a RG-6 cable.


I believe this is 17-E UHF antenna, right? 17 elements...




*click the image to view in full resolution
This antenna doesn't have the F connector output like most of the UHF antennas you buy today, so he had to wire it himself with a short RG-6 cable and terminate it with F connector (male), then connect to a F connector joiner (female-to-female) so that he can connect the rest of the RG6 cable to his TV/digital TV box.

Because it's simply difficult to bend the RG6 cable too much for it to come out from this "small box" (likely because it was designed for wire those old and thinner 3C-2V / 5C-2V cable), so he strip the cable jacket, exposing the insulator, making it easier to bend and "look lesser strain" to the cable.


Close up to that "box".
As he tighten the 2 (kinda rusty) screws (top and bottom one) on that metal "holder" (I don't know what is it called) to secure the insulator, that holder just barely able to fit it right. And he bend the core at the end to make it slightly secure along the screw.


This is how it looks like when the "box" is closed.


Bottom view of the cable.


Also, this antenna was originally in yellow colour but was discoloured to almost white. It's 10+ years already though...

So I wanna ask some of the sifus here... Did he rewire his outdoor UHF antenna it correctly? Looks like not so proper lol...
He's able to receive digital TV signals, and the signal is about 50-70%. He was expecting to be able to get much stronger signal, like 80-95% Strength.
Not sure is it because there's a hill along the direction from his house to the nearest TV transmitter, or simply the antenna has degraded due to age.
He tried indoor antenna (passive type), no signal. He doesn't have active indoor UHF antenna.

Thanks bud!

The braided shielding coming out of the RG6 should be under the plate secured by two screws (polish if possible to ensure better electrical contact). He simply cut the braided shielding off!? That may explain the relatively low signal strength.

F connector ends on antennas on the market in my experience means it's not locally manufactured - most Thai manufactured ones have this. Locally manufactured ones, such as you friend's still require such "manual" termination. They are common at local electrical shops.

One curiosity - why did he decide to terminate and do a connection just so shortly out of the box? Why not run the whole length of the cable from the back of the decoder / TV? Introduction of such connections in my experience usually increase risk of signal degradation.

This post has been edited by 9M-MAS: Nov 10 2019, 09:26 PM

He is lucky to get the signals. I also use this kind of antenna before this for about 10+ years also. Using a very old 3C-2V cables and connect to my decoder I didn't get any signals. Then i change to RG6 cables and new 5E antenna bought online, everything went well after that. I think if he bought a new antenna that have a F connector, the signals would be better. Since he doesn't need to strip the cable.

You mean polish the plate secured by two screws? Why removing the braided shielding would affect signal strength? The screw that has contact with the cable is the copper core of the cable, isn't it? And the thing is if he would wire the RG6 further in the box, he have to bend down the cable more so that cable can coming out from bottom of the box. Bending the cable too much will have permanent damage to the cable and affecting signal strength, isn't it? Cuz it's really doesn't seem to design for RG6's thick cable, unlike those older and thinner 3C-2V or 5C-2V.

Besides the connector, is there any other differences if the antenna is locally assembled or not? Cuz I would prefer to have the ones with F connector, as I find it better and easier to connect and disconnect the cable. Why last time those local ones have to terminate manually?

Bcuz he want to make it like those antennas where it straight away has F connector output, making it easy to connect and disconnect. He want it like this so that easier for him to carry around, do signal testing, kind of temporary setup rather than install it permanently on rooftop to watch TV. Some of u might find this weird 😂 but then that's his hobby anyway...
Anyhow, I'll let him know.

How about this one? You think this is better?


But if his old antenna are still able to receive signals (although not very strong), he wanna continue using it whenever possible. If he buy new antenna (e.g. JP-5E, JP-8E, or 14-E ones) and throw this old one away, is like kinda wasteful cuz still can use it... So he's kinda hesitating to decide. He also still have VHF antenna, and he tried using that to receive digital TV signals, and it works! But the signal is very hard to receive (hard to lock), lose signal easily and signal readings isn't strong.

It's part of the electrical connection between your TV/decoder and antenna. WAtch this


It's not a universal truth, rather an observation. I think it's manufacturer preference to make it easier to install, perhaps. You can still find antennas requiring manual termination on sale even today. Those on the market here with ready connectors to accept F plugs you will find are almost always Thai brands.



To carry around just get one of those shorter 5Es lo. Much easier. haha


Can be better - watch the Youtube video I posted above. Make sure the braiding is connected (touching) to the plate, while the core should be insulated from the same.


His old antenna should work just fine. I did part time antenna installation once and aligned dozens of such old antennas with perfect reception and signal strength. Just modify the connection re the braiding.

VHFs in my experience you can use if you're very, very close to the transmitter. Otherwise the performance varies greatly from the UHF.

This post has been edited by 9M-MAS: Nov 11 2019, 09:00 AM

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Can you please sticky the PDF attachment to the top post as well? Proved useful and can't seem to find that information from the official site.

On my new TV with the IDTV decoder, I only managed to receive some channels using automatic tuning. Turns out the channels are broadcasted over two frequencies / channel, and manual tuning helped me solve that.
Include this PDF attachment as well, it can also used for archived purpose.
https://www.mytvbroadcasting.my/pdf/Lists-of-frequency.pdf

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PJ right now, 666 frequency fluctuating below 60%[around 55% and below], while 698 is 60%-80% watchable and sometimes pixelated. i'm suspecting my neighbor is operating some kind of equipment using 666 frequency to jammed my signal.

Hmm... I also have stronger signals on Mux 2 than Mux 1.
Maybe you try use outdoor antenna la... Dont put too much hope that MYTV DTT signals will work reliably on an indoor antenna.

Have you tried power off all nearby devices that uses HDMI? Like what we previously mentioned, some low quality HDMI cables may cause RF interference to certain DTT signals. Try turn all off first, such as Astro box, android tv box, karaoke system, bluray player, etc.

What makes you certain that your neighbours is interfering your TV signal reception?

my wifi also 100% power, drop to 80% only.

Coming from old school CRT TV hooked to an outdoor antenna, can the antenna be reused for the Digital transmission ?

Currently guided my dad to hook up the DVB-T2 boxes to TV and the same antenna from the old CRT TV, but he couldn't manage to tune in anything.

Local electrical shop told him that the antenna is different and that he need to install a new set of antenna. Aren't both old analog and new digital transmission supposed to be using the same UHF frequencies ? (sans the minor different connector termination)

Can. Just recheck the connection and cables (if the cable is 'injured' anywhere) - replacing it with Astro cable (RG6 cable) highly recommended. In addition, check antenna alignment.

And by the way, is the old antenna equipped with the orange booster box? Defunct boxes can block digital signals...suggest doing away with it altogether (doing a direct connection between the decoder and antenna).

This post has been edited by 9M-MAS: Nov 11 2019, 03:48 PM

Are you using outdoor UHF antenna? If not sure, can take pic show us.

And try rewire new cable to that antenna using the new RG-6, which is also the same type of cable used for Astro.

Analogue TV broadcasts in both VHF and UHF. Digital is only in UHF.
Make sure the cable connection are connected directly only to your UHF antenna, and not splits into 2 cables to merge with VHF and UHF (if u have VHF antenna). And don't connect to any masthead amplifier (known as booster, typically the small white box that needs to powered on near your TV set).

Anyone have good UHF aerial DIY website ? I try to contruct the aerial suit to 698MHz wavelength for RTM mux, if have spare time. RTM mux kind of pain in ass in my area, 666MHz for media prima so far so good.

Yes its an outdoor antenna, no there isn't any booster or sort, however i can't remember if there's a split/merge cabling thing.
Sorry couldn't get a photo or anything as it is in my hometown, and i am doing everything i can to prevent my dad to go up onto the roof. (as he has been suggesting to do so to replace the antenna).

I'm getting him a new TV to replace the CRT + DTV tuner box. But before i do that i need to ensure the antenna works for DVB-T2 tuner else I need to figure out something else.

You can get an installer/technician to help you with that if you want.
The antenna is just for receiving signal, UHF antenna is meant for receiving UHF frequencies, and it doesn't matter if support DVB-T2 or whatever it is.
Most importantly is the tuner or the TV that supports it, not the antenna.

What's the cable type? Is it RG-6 type (same as Astro cable)?

Seems this set price higher than others, can use wifi to watch Youtube? anyone tried?

https://estore.pensonic.com/product/mytv-br...decoder-ir-9410

RM187 is the retail price for MYTV Advance box.
Watch YouTube? MYTV want you to buy their TV box is only to receive/watch its digital TV channels and its other interactive services, not for other thing else.
No, you can't watch YouTube on that.
Perhaps you can look for Android boxes that comes with DVB-T2 built in tuner at online shopping sites like Lazada and Shopee.

Thanks for your reply, though saw 2 USB port, we can insert the WiFi antenna and watch Youtube like the BoTaTo Decoder.....

How old is the antenna? If many years already just get a new one to replace. Imo no harm but just to make sure you don't need to go get another antenna while in the middle of setting up the new TV.
Regarding the cable, if my old antenna cable is not the screw type, just need to buy the converter right? or rewire is better? Because older TV usually you just insert the cable into the port, no need to screw. I am very sure this is UHF antenna, just the cable not using screw like astro.

Botato decoder got WiFi or Ethernet port? Can watch Youtube and install app also?

Yes indeed, got USB port for plug in Wifi Antenna and watch Youtube, but that is only around RM90, that's why saw this MyTV advance USB port I though can plug in WiFi Antenna too......

Hmm, why manual termination? Cheaper to produce by the manufacturer?

But he worry that JP-5E may not be that powerful. He want a portable, yet very powerful type of UHF antenna. But he's not sure how strong is 5E. Like now, his old 17E antenna works like okok, but if use 5E, means lesser elements, does it mean it'll less powerful than 17E ones. How strong JP-5E is, compared to

Hmm, so at least VHF antenna is not totally useless, isn't it? For those that live very close to transmitter can just reuse back the antenna.