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post Nov 2 2019, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(9M-MAS @ Nov 2 2019, 02:21 PM)

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Frequencies around Malaysia
546MHz - 730MHz, 8MHz bandwidth
Include this PDF attachment as well, it can also used for archived purpose.
https://www.mytvbroadcasting.my/pdf/Lists-of-frequency.pdf

Now it's from 546MHz to 722MHz (allocated one is originally 470-742MHz for DTT broadcast).
But when the DTT frequencies restacks in several months later to make way for 700MHz 4G/5G, it shall only be within 474-690MHz range.

As for technical info, besides DVB-T2, Malaysia uses 256QAM, Guard Interval 19/256, COFDM (FFT) 32k FEC 2/3.

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How to receive:

Modern TV sets with built-in digital TV tuner (DTV / DVB-T2) with DTTV Malaysia Symbol
-OR-
Old TV sets using DVB-T2 decoders, preferably with SKMM & SIRIM certification

-AND-
Normal TV antenna, UHF (Ultra High Frequency), externally roof mounted highly recommended for trouble-free reception
Don't forget the DTH version of MYTV too.
For those in outside DTT coverage, can opt for the DTH satellite version of MYTV to watch myFreeview channels as it has 100% nationwide coverage.
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post Nov 3 2019, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(Hzz @ Nov 3 2019, 12:19 PM)
Hi congrats for V2. I want to ask what is the function of RF OUT at the back of decoder? Can i use it for my other tv? Since my other tv is an IDTV, so i think i just need a female to female connector straight to my second tv right?
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It is for super super old TVs and devices that does not have AV (composite) inputs.
You connect that RF OUT port to an analogue TV's ANT IN port, and then you perform auto scan, you will see there's one analogue TV channel is showing the video output of the digital TV box.

Basically, it works like you're watching it on RCA (AV composite) output from the digital TV box, but it's this, is watching it via 1 analogue TV channel.
You switch channels on the digital TV box, the picture on that analogue TV channel changes too. It's just a video output.

Old TVs that doesn't have AV composite input are very rare la seriously. For those who still using that, ugh, just get a new TV... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(yongtjunkit @ Nov 4 2019, 08:59 AM)
It’s useful for people who aren’t tech savvy and still press the ch + and ch - on their TV remote
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Hahaha... It's not wrong to say that simply pressing ch- and ch+ buttons on remote is indeed very easy to use. So simple, and not complicated.
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QUOTE(yongtjunkit @ Nov 4 2019, 09:27 AM)
Yup, but when they press it on the TV remote instead of the decoder and they are going to ask why it shows no signal 🤦‍♂️... sharp TV input list shows input 1,2,3,4.... not clear to everyone and it doesn’t even have the rename input list function

By the way what’s the exact search term for the cable
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What cable are you referring to?
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QUOTE(yongtjunkit @ Nov 4 2019, 09:40 AM)
The one from the RF out from the DVB T2 decoder to the TV analog input

Already hooked up hdmi, but unfortunately my aunt press the CH + , CH - button on the TV remote instead of the decoder
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According to Wikipedia: Male (left) and female Belling-Lee cable
Belling Lee connector cable is also known as TV aerial cable or PAL cable.

Anyhow, it's not necessarily must buy this specific type of cable.
You can use RG-6 coaxial cable (Astro white cable), and terminate the ends of the cable with whatever connectors you want, including Belling Lee connector, either male or female port.

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If your aunt gets confused by using either TV remote or the Digital TV remote control, then just tell your aunt to use only the digital tv remote, and stop using TV remote completely, including adjust audio volume.

You adjust TV volume higher a bit, then tell your aunt to use digital TV box's remote to adjust the volume, not the TV. Then, you keep the TV remote somewhere else in the drawer or something. Take it out only when you need to change some other settings on TV, or use other smart TV functions.
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QUOTE(yongtjunkit @ Nov 4 2019, 10:29 AM)
Oh, I see... if I were to hide the remote, how do I switch the TV off?
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Errr... Walk to the TV then press the power button to switch it off? 😂
Does your digital TV box remote control can set some settings to be able to switch on/off the TV, adjust TV volume, and change TV input source (like Astro remote control). If yes, go set it.

If no, then errr, maybe tell your aunt to only use the TV remote to switch on and off the TV, and nothing else.
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QUOTE(shaun_kok @ Nov 4 2019, 02:46 PM)
Yes, you may connect your IDTV via RF Out function to get DTT signal, as long the cable is high quality (HDMI/TV Boxes will affect DTT reception). Some of the DTT boxes (in overseas) indeed have RF Out function to convert digital TV into analogue TV signal for video input (like what we saw in some old school Astro decoders). The RF OUT port, at least on the MYTV DVB-T2 box, only provide signal passthrough for existing analogue (no longer exists)/DTT signals. This mean that you can hook up many TV Boxes, provide if these TV boxes have RF OUT and the signal is strong enough and both set top boxes are also connected (DTT signal levels will reduce when you hook up from one box to another). These boxes must be in standby/On mode, otherwise the passthrough won't work.
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Oh yeah... It's pass-through/loop...
Yeah you're right about the RF Out. Now I remember... biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(dannyw @ Nov 4 2019, 03:57 PM)
When we able to get 16:9 for NTV7 & 8TV?  hmm.gif
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On display, all Malaysia FTA SD channels now are already in 16:9
The video itself will still be in 4:3 but without letterbox, so it's 16:9 fit to screen already. Since the display itself is already in 16:9, then I don't think there's much to talk about... Cuz even if they transmit in native 16:9 SD, you'll hardly see any visual difference or quality improvement.
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QUOTE(dannyw @ Nov 4 2019, 04:57 PM)
ehm... generally all channels fit the screen well.

Just when i switch channel to TV3, it will show 16:9 with HD, even the watermark for myfreeview is damn small.

while NTV7 & 8TV, the info still showing 4:3 without HD, and the myfreeview watermark is so obvious...  puke.gif

of course besides the watermark, those HD channels having better picture quality.
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Because the canvas resolution they use for SD and HD channels are different. One is 720x576, another is 1920x1080, so the watermark is scaled at its original resolution, and you'll see the difference.
Very technical stuff la, dunno how to explain in layman terms.

Just don't bother the watermark... Wait another few more days. If watermark still there, then go complain to MYTV.
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post Nov 6 2019, 01:57 AM

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Meanwhile, some news update from the upcoming satellite pay TV provider, Sirius TV:

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Source: https://www.facebook.com/Siriusmalaysia.tv/...133868351356193

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Sirius TV is still awaiting for the set-top-box Type Approval from SIRIM.
This delay was due to the switch of STB use from
H.265 HEVC T2 / S2 / Wifi
to
H.265 HEVC S2 / Wifi

MYTV does not approve to us to sell the STB model with T2 (DVB-T2) function. Hopefully, once it got approved, the STB and satellite dishes will be provided as soon as possible to the trials participants, as well as new signups that have made their payment.
Okay, so MYTV is not happy that the sales of their STB brand is not performing well as they would wanted it to be.

In other words, all viewers to have the "inconvenience" to switch between input sources (e.g. from DTT to HDMI 1, and vice versa) is still way cheaper than allowing/providing all DTT channels onto your platform.
So lesson learnt, don't rely on Sirius TV or any other pay TV providers to provide you the convenience to be able to watch all DTT channels on a single platform, in expense of them needing to pay a lot of money to MYTV or broadcaster.
So just get a DVB-T2 box or TV with DVB-T2 function to receive digital TV channels via UHF antenna...
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QUOTE(yongtjunkit @ Nov 6 2019, 08:25 AM)
MYTV DVB T2 box is overpriced.... 3rd party MCMC certified box cost half of the mytv dvbt2 box.

I thought that DvB T2 is free for everyone to use(any decoder,TV,etc)?
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QUOTE(Someonesim @ Nov 6 2019, 09:45 AM)
Correct me if wrong, are we seeing another monopoly ? Others need MYTV approval ? Not approved 'because' they don't earn enough from lack of sales for own TV box ?
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MYTV indeed is a monopoly and single player for Malaysia DTT.

If you ask this to MYTV, their answers would be like:
"Oh, we invested millions to billions to build the DTT infrastructure in Malaysia, and provide Malaysians digital TV broadcasts for free, and viewers just have to use a DVB-T2 box and UHF antenna to receive it.
So when new satellite pay tv players want to have combo tuners with DVB-T2, we have to right to charge them lor... We can't just let them have the DVB-T2 function build in to a satellite pay tv STB just like that to allow viewers to watch DTT channels for free. It's like your "service" depends on our technology to get channels without paying. We invested so much money in infrastructure leh, and it's justifiable for us to charge them. "

Basically, they want to earn some money lor...


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https://www.soyacincau.com/2019/11/08/lets-...digital-tv-lta/

To be honest, they said some quite a few mistakes especially when it comes to technical and installation stuff...
One of the example, that guy holding the MYTV Advance box,
and said that it can also connect to satellite dish especially in rural areas that is out of DTT coverage.
I was like, hmmmm..... That particular MYTV box is not even the Hybrid S2+T2 model sweat.gif
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Btw just to share this episode of Singapore's documentary produced by Mediacorp, that talks about outdoor UHF antennas installed way up high in around Muar, as high as 80 foot (24.3 metres), and an antenna installer further explains the safety risks of doing such dangerous jobs.

Also, a Muar-ian that has been watching Singapore channels since young, is now working in Singapore as a Mediacorp TV programme host.

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*English subtitle available.
Seek between 6:10-9:20 and 11:26-14:58 if you're just interested on the main part about the infamous UHF antennas installed high up in Muar.
From 14:58 onwards until end, it no longer talks about the Singapore TV reception in Muar, so not necessary got to watch entire episode if you're not interested.
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QUOTE(dayojah @ Nov 9 2019, 10:47 PM)
It's not for free, RTM and Media Prima etc have to pay a (large) monthly rental to be transmitted.
The question is whether MyTV have actually met the contract requirements to be paid. Their coverage looks very below target to me.
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Well, broadcasters definitely have to pay MYTV for transmitting their channels. What I meant is, viewers can watch it for free without monthly subscription.
And what you meant by "MyTV have actually met the contract requirements to be paid"? This part I don't get it.
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Nov 10 2019, 12:03 AM)
Hi guys, going to buy a new cheap led TV.
What's the benefits of buying digital TV instead of  analog TV?
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There's no new analogue TV out there anymore....
Any new model TVs you buy today, already has digital TV DVB-T2 built-in.

What benefits of digital TV? More channels, clear picture quality, some channels is in Full HD quality, with electronic programme guide (EPG) where you can see the current programme name showing on the channel you're watching. It's basically the features that you get on Astro (if you have) since last time, now you can get it on digital TV, and all these by using TV antenna (UHF) and it's free, no monthly subscription.

Basically, last time you used to know that using TV antenna to receive TV signals are those static that looks "snowy" and "lots of white dots on screen".
That's called analogue TV. Since 1 Nov 2019, analogue broadcast has entirely switched off in Malaysia, hence replaced with digital broadcast.

More info at https://myfreeview.tv/
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QUOTE(heavensea @ Nov 10 2019, 12:38 AM)
Noted and.thanks!
I'm online shopping for 40 inch TV.
Even a digital TV also need antenna to received broadcasts?

https://shopee.com.my/product/28075514/1553228050?smtt=0.0.

This Toshiba TV is digital?
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Yes it supports digital.
As long you see DVB-T2 or DTTV Malaysia label on the product page or the TV, that means it is digital TV built in.

Yes. Make sure to use good UHF antenna. Refer to that myFreeview website to know more.
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My friend took down his 10+ years old UHF antenna from rooftop to "rewire" the antenna to connect to a RG-6 cable.

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I believe this is 17-E UHF antenna, right? 17 elements...

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This antenna doesn't have the F connector output like most of the UHF antennas you buy today, so he had to wire it himself with a short RG-6 cable and terminate it with F connector (male), then connect to a F connector joiner (female-to-female) so that he can connect the rest of the RG6 cable to his TV/digital TV box.

Because it's simply difficult to bend the RG6 cable too much for it to come out from this "small box" (likely because it was designed for wire those old and thinner 3C-2V / 5C-2V cable), so he strip the cable jacket, exposing the insulator, making it easier to bend and "look lesser strain" to the cable.

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Close up to that "box".
As he tighten the 2 (kinda rusty) screws (top and bottom one) on that metal "holder" (I don't know what is it called) to secure the insulator, that holder just barely able to fit it right. And he bend the core at the end to make it slightly secure along the screw.

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This is how it looks like when the "box" is closed.

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Bottom view of the cable.

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Also, this antenna was originally in yellow colour but was discoloured to almost white. It's 10+ years already though...

So I wanna ask some of the sifus here... Did he rewire his outdoor UHF antenna it correctly? Looks like not so proper lol... hmm.gif
He's able to receive digital TV signals, and the signal is about 50-70%. He was expecting to be able to get much stronger signal, like 80-95% Strength.
Not sure is it because there's a hill along the direction from his house to the nearest TV transmitter, or simply the antenna has degraded due to age.
He tried indoor antenna (passive type), no signal. He doesn't have active indoor UHF antenna.
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QUOTE(9M-MAS @ Nov 10 2019, 09:21 PM)
The braided shielding coming out of the RG6 should be under the plate secured by two screws (polish if possible to ensure better electrical contact). He simply cut the braided shielding off!? That may explain the relatively low signal strength.

F connector ends on antennas on the market in my experience means it's not locally manufactured - most Thai manufactured ones have this. Locally manufactured ones, such as you friend's still require such "manual" termination. They are common at local electrical shops.

One curiosity - why did he decide to terminate and do a connection just so shortly out of the box? Why not run the whole length of the cable from the back of the decoder / TV? Introduction of such connections in my experience usually increase risk of signal degradation.
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You mean polish the plate secured by two screws? Why removing the braided shielding would affect signal strength? The screw that has contact with the cable is the copper core of the cable, isn't it? And the thing is if he would wire the RG6 further in the box, he have to bend down the cable more so that cable can coming out from bottom of the box. Bending the cable too much will have permanent damage to the cable and affecting signal strength, isn't it? Cuz it's really doesn't seem to design for RG6's thick cable, unlike those older and thinner 3C-2V or 5C-2V.

Besides the connector, is there any other differences if the antenna is locally assembled or not? Cuz I would prefer to have the ones with F connector, as I find it better and easier to connect and disconnect the cable. Why last time those local ones have to terminate manually?

Bcuz he want to make it like those antennas where it straight away has F connector output, making it easy to connect and disconnect. He want it like this so that easier for him to carry around, do signal testing, kind of temporary setup rather than install it permanently on rooftop to watch TV. Some of u might find this weird 😂 but then that's his hobby anyway...
Anyhow, I'll let him know.

How about this one? You think this is better?
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QUOTE(Hzz @ Nov 10 2019, 10:14 PM)
He is lucky to get the signals. I also use this kind of antenna before this for about 10+ years also. Using a very old 3C-2V cables and connect to my decoder I didn't get any signals. Then i change to RG6 cables and new 5E antenna bought online, everything went well after that. I think if he bought a new antenna that have a F connector, the signals would be better. Since he doesn't need to strip the cable.
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But if his old antenna are still able to receive signals (although not very strong), he wanna continue using it whenever possible. If he buy new antenna (e.g. JP-5E, JP-8E, or 14-E ones) and throw this old one away, is like kinda wasteful cuz still can use it... So he's kinda hesitating to decide. He also still have VHF antenna, and he tried using that to receive digital TV signals, and it works! But the signal is very hard to receive (hard to lock), lose signal easily and signal readings isn't strong.

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QUOTE(birain @ Nov 11 2019, 12:06 PM)
PJ right now, 666 frequency fluctuating below 60%[around 55% and below], while 698 is 60%-80% watchable and sometimes pixelated. i'm suspecting my neighbor is operating some kind of equipment using 666 frequency to jammed my signal.
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Hmm... I also have stronger signals on Mux 2 than Mux 1.
Maybe you try use outdoor antenna la... Dont put too much hope that MYTV DTT signals will work reliably on an indoor antenna.

Have you tried power off all nearby devices that uses HDMI? Like what we previously mentioned, some low quality HDMI cables may cause RF interference to certain DTT signals. Try turn all off first, such as Astro box, android tv box, karaoke system, bluray player, etc.

What makes you certain that your neighbours is interfering your TV signal reception?
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QUOTE(fx_53_xt @ Nov 11 2019, 03:40 PM)
Coming from old school CRT TV hooked to an outdoor antenna, can the antenna be reused for the Digital transmission ?

Currently guided my dad to hook up the DVB-T2 boxes to TV and the same antenna from the old CRT TV, but he couldn't manage to tune in anything.

Local electrical shop told him that the antenna is different and that he need to install a new set of antenna. Aren't both old analog and new digital transmission supposed to be using the same UHF frequencies ? (sans the minor different connector termination)
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Are you using outdoor UHF antenna? If not sure, can take pic show us.

And try rewire new cable to that antenna using the new RG-6, which is also the same type of cable used for Astro.

Analogue TV broadcasts in both VHF and UHF. Digital is only in UHF.
Make sure the cable connection are connected directly only to your UHF antenna, and not splits into 2 cables to merge with VHF and UHF (if u have VHF antenna). And don't connect to any masthead amplifier (known as booster, typically the small white box that needs to powered on near your TV set).

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