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lee82gx
post May 7 2021, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 7 2021, 12:37 PM)
🤣🤣 I have higher yield DIY stonks portfolio, I treat SA more like a liquid EPF in my portfolio tongue.gif "forced" long term passive investment LOL, so anything higher than EPF is just cherry on top
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what do you have in your DIY? is it better or worst than SA hehe?
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post May 7 2021, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ May 7 2021, 12:24 PM)
very high tolerance you have there buddy.  tongue.gif

I'm ok for fees, if they don't underperform the SP500.....in general
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I can tell you in many years S&P 500 is going to outperform SA. S&P 500 is 100% equity stocks while SA is filled with bonds & gold etfs. Plus I am not going to mention fees vs S&p500 etfs like VOO.

See my post of SA above. SA purpose is not to max performance.
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post May 7 2021, 03:55 PM

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Simple for DCA to portfolio purpose. So far it looks okay to me.

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Regarding calculation. Not sure how they calculated. If I take end bal unit less previously dividend in unit, then multiple the dividend rate, can get very close the figures.


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post May 7 2021, 04:26 PM

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its called diversification and passive management. A bit too overwhelming if we actively managed 100% of the funds
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post May 7 2021, 04:48 PM

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Now:
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Today morning:
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A follow-up today morning issues,
I had reported the miscalculate dividends and the sudden wiped off total return via WhatsApp

Now it seems back to the correct amount and returns the missing dividend to my SA-Simple.

If others have these issues, might just report to SA. At least they solve my problem.

This post has been edited by Nelsonz: May 7 2021, 04:49 PM
tsutsugami86
post May 7 2021, 04:56 PM

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Back to normal
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post May 7 2021, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ May 7 2021, 03:38 PM)
what do you have in your DIY? is it better or worst than SA hehe?
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So far better, but I'm a conservative investor and I only started a few years back laugh.gif mostly blue chip dividend stocks, and I lucked out on investing in a bit of glove stocks just when it was starting to rise, all in all only 7-8% pa on average right now. Whether this stays up is another problem I'll worry about 10 years later LOLOLOL

But back on topic, I don't think SA will outperform pure equities market because it's very heavily diversified and risk-managed, which is why I said my benchmark is around EPF level haha

This post has been edited by DragonReine: May 7 2021, 11:11 PM
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post May 7 2021, 05:57 PM

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Anyone know what happened to their weekly market commentary?
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post May 7 2021, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(tsutsugami86 @ May 7 2021, 04:56 PM)
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Back to normal
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Notice one is rebate one is dividend. I believe both is not related. I too get the rebate today, but my stashaway simple is empty. I withdrawed all few months ago.
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post May 7 2021, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ May 7 2021, 10:38 AM)
its ok he invest in higher risk things, as long as he can keep his cool in check. laugh.gif
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i masuk little bit bit saja
dont even plan to withdraw
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post May 7 2021, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(Xenopher @ May 7 2021, 05:57 PM)
Anyone know what happened to their weekly market commentary?
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https://youtu.be/lLC9pY1KZuc

Just out 4 hours ago
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post May 7 2021, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(majorarmstrong @ May 7 2021, 10:07 AM)
continue DCA dont open the app or monitor lo
open after June?
LOL!!!

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another topic - how come KWEB drop so much, when i know KWEB it was like 85 86... now no eye see
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KWEB was overvalued hence now it is time to add up more because it is valuation buy a trust the current price which is just nice because last week was golden buy again rclxms.gif
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post May 7 2021, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 7 2021, 05:35 PM)
So far better, but I'm a conservative investor and I only started a few years back laugh.gif only 7-8% pa on average right now.

But back on topic, I don't think SA will outperform pure equities market because it's very heavily diversified and risk-managed, which is why I said my benchmark is around EPF level haha
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With bond etfs performance of 3-4 percent in SA portfolio, this is going to pull performance down compared with annualised 10% 30 year average of s&p. But not many people has can stomach the volatility of s&p500, so SA has its place.

Don’t get me wrong, I love SA and i just wish people have more reasonable performance expectation of SA.
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post May 7 2021, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(ChessRook @ May 7 2021, 10:15 PM)
With bond etfs performance of 3-4 percent in SA portfolio, this is going to pull performance down compared with annualised 10%  30 year average of s&p. But not many people has can stomach the volatility of s&p500, so SA has its place.

Don’t get me wrong, I love SA and i just wish people have more reasonable performance expectation of SA.
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Agreed. SA's strategy is for diversified asset classes and risk management, which lowers volatility at the cost of lower capital gains.

If people want rocket to moon, SA is not the platform for it, KWEB notwithstanding tongue.gif
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post May 8 2021, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(JimK @ May 7 2021, 04:26 PM)
its called diversification and passive management. A bit too overwhelming if we actively managed 100% of the funds
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Indeed.

QUOTE(ChessRook @ May 7 2021, 10:15 PM)
With bond etfs performance of 3-4 percent in SA portfolio, this is going to pull performance down compared with annualised 10%  30 year average of s&p. But not many people has can stomach the volatility of s&p500, so SA has its place.

Don’t get me wrong, I love SA and i just wish people have more reasonable performance expectation of SA.
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This, yes.

QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 7 2021, 11:00 PM)
Agreed. SA's strategy is for diversified asset classes and risk management, which lowers volatility at the cost of lower capital gains.

If people want rocket to moon, SA is not the platform for it, KWEB notwithstanding tongue.gif
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Yes and yes. Btw, you've met your short term goal so fast already? Impressive, lol

I think people who are disappointed are those who expect SA to give them high xx% returns PA, beat UTs and fast yields too.

SA should rebrand themselves to correct this understanding, though the name itself says pretty much, hehe... people just need to be reminded to have perseverance and consistency.
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post May 8 2021, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(ChessRook @ May 7 2021, 03:36 PM)
OFC SA is going to underperform against S&P 500 in general. SA is not a 100% equity stock portfolio and has fees that drags down the performance. SA is a balanced portfolio with bonds + gold. I don't think SA is optimise for return performance but SA's purpose is to have 99% chance that one's portfolio doesn't drop by 36% (if one choose 36% risk level) or drop by 26% (if one choose 26% risk level).

There are other asset allocation portfolio out there for example,
a) golden butterfly portfolio
https://youtu.be/RsoBIJoJduo

b) all-weather portfolio
https://youtu.be/PAA1cn2xgFo

Here is more on SA portfolio philoshophy:
Stashaway Risk Index Purpose

Specifically, the SRI uses 99%-VaR, which means that your portfolio has a 99% chance of not losing more than the given SRI percentage in any given year. For instance, if you choose to invest RM50,000 at a 14% SRI, there’s a 99% chance that you won’t lose more than RM7,000 in a given year (RM50,000 * 14% = RM7,000). You can also say that there’s only a 1% chance that you’ll lose more than RM7,000.

There is no right or wrong answer on the setup of the asset allocation portfolio. It depends on one's risk tolerance, time to retirement and so on.
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QUOTE(ChessRook @ May 7 2021, 03:52 PM)
I can tell you in many years S&P 500 is going to outperform SA. S&P 500 is 100% equity stocks while SA is filled with bonds & gold etfs. Plus I am not going to mention fees vs S&p500 etfs like VOO.

See my post of SA above. SA purpose is not to max performance.
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QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 7 2021, 05:35 PM)
So far better, but I'm a conservative investor and I only started a few years back laugh.gif mostly blue chip dividend stocks, and I lucked out on investing in a bit of glove stocks just when it was starting to rise, all in all only 7-8% pa on average right now. Whether this stays up is another problem I'll worry about 10 years later LOLOLOL

But back on topic, I don't think SA will outperform pure equities market because it's very heavily diversified and risk-managed, which is why I said my benchmark is around EPF level haha
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I learned something new now. Even as I said after 2 decades and 2 crashes, I'm still learning.

So yes, SA is unlikely to outperforming S&P500. Interesting. The new 36% RI does not. Not sure about the old one, if anyone still has the formula.


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So here it says we have achieved very very similar performance and maybe a lesser pain in the max drawdown. My first thought is this is still not underperforming for sure, but at the same time perhaps a waste of fees in the long run.


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post May 8 2021, 11:36 AM

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Checking in with you folks.

Background:

- I started Stashaway with an initial capital investment of RM10k in Feb 2021 and every month, i allocate RM1k to be deposited into my investment portfolio. To date, i have deposited a total of RM13k as of May 2021
- My risk setting is set to the highest at 36%

Question:

- I noticed that over the past 4 months since my initial capital investment, i have never break even or seen any positive returns when evaluating my portfolio every month
- Are any of you folks in the same boat as i am whereby in the past 6 months or so, you have noticed negative returns month on month?

When comparing Stashaway's robo advisor performance against my Public Mutual's portfolio performance, i'm quite embaressed to say that my Public Mutual porfolio out performs it by quite a large margin month on month.


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QUOTE(Kagekiyo @ May 8 2021, 11:36 AM)
Checking in with you folks.

Background:

- I started Stashaway with an initial capital investment of RM10k in Feb 2021 and every month, i allocate RM1k to be deposited into my investment portfolio. To date, i have deposited a total of RM13k as of May 2021
- My risk setting is set to the highest at 36%

Question:

- I noticed that over the past 4 months since my initial capital investment, i have never break even or seen any positive returns when evaluating my portfolio every month
- Are any of you folks in the same boat as i am whereby in the past 6 months or so, you have noticed negative returns month on month?

When comparing Stashaway's robo advisor performance against my Public Mutual's portfolio performance, i'm quite embaressed to say that my Public Mutual porfolio out performs it by quite a large margin month on month.
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mind sharing, the asset composition or funds region/countries/sector exposure of your this PM's portfolio?
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post May 8 2021, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(Kagekiyo @ May 8 2021, 11:36 AM)
Checking in with you folks.

Background:

- I started Stashaway with an initial capital investment of RM10k in Feb 2021 and every month, i allocate RM1k to be deposited into my investment portfolio. To date, i have deposited a total of RM13k as of May 2021
- My risk setting is set to the highest at 36%

Question:

- I noticed that over the past 4 months since my initial capital investment, i have never break even or seen any positive returns when evaluating my portfolio every month
- Are any of you folks in the same boat as i am whereby in the past 6 months or so, you have noticed negative returns month on month?

When comparing Stashaway's robo advisor performance against my Public Mutual's portfolio performance, i'm quite embaressed to say that my Public Mutual porfolio out performs it by quite a large margin month on month.
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I can guarantee it's because of KWEB. When you dump in 10k in Feb 2021 KWEB price is at the highest. And KWEB takes up 20% of your portfolio. That's why you're seeing negative right now. Keep dumping in RM1k per month and by year end you might see some difference.

BTW..... you just invested for 3 months..... StashAway is for long term. Keep DCA 1k per month and compare with your mutual fund again in another year time shall we?
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post May 8 2021, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(Kagekiyo @ May 8 2021, 11:36 AM)
Checking in with you folks.

Background:

- I started Stashaway with an initial capital investment of RM10k in Feb 2021 and every month, i allocate RM1k to be deposited into my investment portfolio. To date, i have deposited a total of RM13k as of May 2021
- My risk setting is set to the highest at 36%

Question:

- I noticed that over the past 4 months since my initial capital investment, i have never break even or seen any positive returns when evaluating my portfolio every month
- Are any of you folks in the same boat as i am whereby in the past 6 months or so, you have noticed negative returns month on month?

When comparing Stashaway's robo advisor performance against my Public Mutual's portfolio performance, i'm quite embaressed to say that my Public Mutual porfolio out performs it by quite a large margin month on month.
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Have you factored in the associated fees/charges?

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