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post May 8 2021, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(Kagekiyo @ May 8 2021, 11:36 AM)
- I started Stashaway in Feb 2021
- My risk setting is set to the highest at 36%
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Basically these two things put together is giving you an underperforming portfolio right now.

36%SRI invests heavily in KWEB which was overvalued and at ATH (all time high) during February at easily 80+ USD per unit. Subsequently it has dropped down to a more logical amount of 72-ish per unit. that 10 usd reduction will impact your portfolio seriously at least for short term

Gotta stick around for at least a year or two 😅😅 you entered at the wrong time really.

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post May 8 2021, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 8 2021, 12:19 PM)
Basically these two things put together is giving you an underperforming portfolio right now.

36%SRI invests heavily in KWEB which was overvalued and at ATH (all time high) during February at easily 80+ USD per unit. Subsequently it has dropped down to a more logical amount of 72-ish per unit. that 10 usd reduction will impact your portfolio seriously at least for short term

Gotta stick around for at least a year or two 😅😅 you entered at the wrong time really.
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Nobody knows KWEB will tank in Feb. Me too, put in significant amount in Feb. But I DCA more frequently and aggressively during the tank, so it's not too bad now.
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post May 8 2021, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(lee82gx @ May 8 2021, 10:14 AM)
I learned something new now. Even as I said after 2 decades and 2 crashes, I'm still learning.

So yes, SA is unlikely to outperforming S&P500. Interesting. The new 36% RI does not. Not sure about the old one, if anyone still has the formula.
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So here it says we have achieved very very similar performance and maybe a lesser pain in the max drawdown. My first thought is this is still not underperforming for sure, but at the same time perhaps a waste of fees in the long run.
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It would depend if the underlying ETFs would actually rocket up in the long term long enough to keep up with S&P500 🤣 I'm not an expect, so I might be wrong, but I suspect current performance has a lot to do with the management at SA picking very good ETFs that in combination have balanced out each other so that overall performance is still good even with volatility (see: recently KWEB dropping but US still steadily equities going up). Freddy already said they're going to reoptimize eventually, so we'll see how it goes. I guess they're holding to current portfolio and haven't yet invested in ESG yet because of how ESG isn't really properly enforced and implemented yet and the current tendency to underperform.
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post May 8 2021, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(Barricade @ May 8 2021, 12:08 PM)
I can guarantee it's because of KWEB. When you dump in 10k in Feb 2021 KWEB price is at the highest. And KWEB takes up 20% of your portfolio. That's why you're seeing negative right now. Keep dumping in RM1k per month and by year end you might see some difference.

BTW..... you just invested for 3 months..... StashAway is for long term. Keep DCA 1k per month and compare with your mutual fund again in another year time shall we?
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QUOTE(Daenthylin @ May 8 2021, 12:18 PM)
Have you factored in the associated fees/charges?
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QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 8 2021, 12:19 PM)
Basically these two things put together is giving you an underperforming portfolio right now.

36%SRI invests heavily in KWEB which was overvalued and at ATH (all time high) during February at easily 80+ USD per unit. Subsequently it has dropped down to a more logical amount of 72-ish per unit. that 10 usd reduction will impact your portfolio seriously at least for short term

Gotta stick around for at least a year or two 😅😅 you entered at the wrong time really.
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Thanks, folks for your replies.

Indeed, i plan to stick around with Stashaway for a good 3 years or more so my progressive monthly DCA'ing should pay off in the long run. Let's see how KWEB performs in the following months to come.
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QUOTE(Barricade @ May 8 2021, 12:26 PM)
Nobody knows KWEB will tank in Feb. Me too, put in significant amount in Feb. But I DCA more frequently and aggressively during the tank, so it's not too bad now.
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Yeah 🤣 this is why DCA strategy helps for volatile markets like equities and riskier stuff.
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 8 2021, 12:31 AM)
Yes and yes. Btw, you've met your short term goal so fast already? Impressive, lol

I think people who are disappointed are those who expect SA to give them high xx% returns PA, beat UTs and fast yields too.

SA should rebrand themselves to correct this understanding, though the name itself says pretty much, hehe... people just need to be reminded to have perseverance and consistency.
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Well technically speaking I actually have a "set" goal which is fixed (stored in Simple), and then I have a "bonus" goal which is extra money that I can use for unnecessary wants (stored in low risk SRI since last year), any number in between is what I meant by short term goal hehe

since I needed the money in the next two weeks I decided to lock in my current earnings and withdraw tongue.gif before volatility tanks my portfolio unexpectedly haha
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post May 8 2021, 12:54 PM

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post May 8 2021, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 8 2021, 12:19 PM)
Basically these two things put together is giving you an underperforming portfolio right now.

36%SRI invests heavily in KWEB which was overvalued and at ATH (all time high) during February at easily 80+ USD per unit. Subsequently it has dropped down to a more logical amount of 72-ish per unit. that 10 usd reduction will impact your portfolio seriously at least for short term

Gotta stick around for at least a year or two 😅😅 you entered at the wrong time really.
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It was a total 90+ during Feb jumping to all time high 104.94

Any usd10 range drawdown will impact KWEB but with GLD and XLV prices at the moment it will be enough to hold on KWEB losses
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post May 8 2021, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 8 2021, 12:19 PM)
Basically these two things put together is giving you an underperforming portfolio right now.

36%SRI invests heavily in KWEB which was overvalued and at ATH (all time high) during February at easily 80+ USD per unit. Subsequently it has dropped down to a more logical amount of 72-ish per unit. that 10 usd reduction will impact your portfolio seriously at least for short term

Gotta stick around for at least a year or two 😅😅 you entered at the wrong time really.
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Looks like this applies to me too, sigh... shouldn't have put in so much at that point in time... after my initial lump sum, I went on smaller DCA amount over the months...oh well, if I could predict the future, I'd be rich, haha, so let time help me, lol

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On the other note, does it matter if I put in more during this low point of KWEB? I know allocation within is a fraction, but, asking in case that helps in any way? Thanks.

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post May 8 2021, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 8 2021, 01:37 PM)
Looks like this applies to me too, sigh... shouldn't have put in so much at that point in time... after my initial lump sum, I went on smaller DCA amount over the months...oh well, if I could predict the future, I'd be rich, haha, so let time help me, lol

Question:
On the other note, does it matter if I put in more during this low point of KWEB? I know allocation within is a fraction, but, asking in case that helps in any way? Thanks.
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KWEB looks to be about stable now, at least for the moment, who knows what might happen in the future.

That said, MYR is moderately strong and USD is a bit weak, so now's a good time as any if judge based on forex 🤣
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QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 8 2021, 02:05 PM)
KWEB looks to be about stable now, at least for the moment, who knows what might happen in the future.

That said, MYR is moderately strong and USD is a bit weak, so now's a good time as any if judge based on forex 🤣
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Lol, thanks...I shall think think.

Also, this year trying to diversify into different investments. Even PRS that I currently don't have, maybe will do it too, of course, for tax purpose as well, lol.
FSM, haven't touched.
Maybe SA will remain with my fixed DCA as it is, or add a bit more during short period.
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 8 2021, 02:37 PM)
Looks like this applies to me too, sigh... shouldn't have put in so much at that point in time... after my initial lump sum, I went on smaller DCA amount over the months...oh well, if I could predict the future, I'd be rich, haha, so let time help me, lol

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On the other note, does it matter if I put in more during this low point of KWEB? I know allocation within is a fraction, but, asking in case that helps in any way? Thanks.
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Technically yes, you will get more KWEB units, however it also affects by USD conversion.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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i would go for the "can see" things like more units...as the FOREX direction at the end is still unknown
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QUOTE(DragonReine @ May 8 2021, 02:05 PM)
KWEB looks to be about stable now, at least for the moment, who knows what might happen in the future.

That said, MYR is moderately strong and USD is a bit weak, so now's a good time as any if judge based on forex 🤣
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KWEB baseline high valuation is a total 72.50 for a long long time hence if buying and believing it now it is the time load up

MYR is strong 2 weeks ago due to rising commodities but this month will be seeing breaching easily 4.15 or maybe even overshoot to 4.17

USD will rise back of bond yields and taper tantrum is back rclxms.gif

QUOTE(Nelsonz @ May 8 2021, 08:06 PM)
Technically yes, you will get more KWEB units, however it also affects by USD conversion.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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Averaging your purchase units but however it will affect your USD portfolio value and averaging RM conversion after units purchase
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QUOTE(Kagekiyo @ May 8 2021, 11:36 AM)
Checking in with you folks.

Background:

- I started Stashaway with an initial capital investment of RM10k in Feb 2021 and every month, i allocate RM1k to be deposited into my investment portfolio. To date, i have deposited a total of RM13k as of May 2021
- My risk setting is set to the highest at 36%

Question:

- I noticed that over the past 4 months since my initial capital investment, i have never break even or seen any positive returns when evaluating my portfolio every month
- Are any of you folks in the same boat as i am whereby in the past 6 months or so, you have noticed negative returns month on month?

When comparing Stashaway's robo advisor performance against my Public Mutual's portfolio performance, i'm quite embaressed to say that my Public Mutual porfolio out performs it by quite a large margin month on month.
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Aiseh man, your unrealized losses are nothing compared to mine when it was at 8% risk setting when I started at late 2018..there was a time my unrealized losses even went to more than MYR1k , but I didn't panic or withdraw and over time it grew and grew, and I even increased my risk to 22%. Now my TWR and MWR are more than 20%.

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QUOTE(Nelsonz @ May 8 2021, 08:06 PM)
Technically yes, you will get more KWEB units, however it also affects by USD conversion.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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QUOTE(xander83 @ May 9 2021, 01:09 AM)
KWEB baseline high valuation is a total 72.50 for a long long time hence if buying and believing it now it is the time load up

MYR is strong 2 weeks ago due to rising commodities but this month will be seeing breaching easily 4.15 or maybe even overshoot to 4.17

USD will rise back of bond yields and taper tantrum is back  rclxms.gif
Averaging your purchase units but however it will affect your USD portfolio value and averaging RM conversion after units purchase
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Sorry, please forgive my newbness. I get the KWEB part, but not the USD conversion side. Why it's affected by our strengthening of MYR?
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QUOTE(Kagekiyo @ May 8 2021, 12:31 PM)
Thanks, folks for your replies.

Indeed, i plan to stick around with Stashaway for a good 3 years or more so my progressive monthly DCA'ing should pay off in the long run. Let's see how KWEB performs in the following months to come.
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you should see positive returns if you have started with 1k every month instead of dumping 10k from the start

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post May 9 2021, 03:22 PM

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Well, hopefully China tech companies will continue to do well. 👀, many kweb shares.

USA stocks is doing well 👀
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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 9 2021, 12:47 PM)
Sorry, please forgive my newbness. I get the KWEB part, but not the USD conversion side. Why it's affected by our strengthening of MYR?
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You deposit in MYR, then SA convert MYR and invest in USD.

YOUR INVESTMENT IN USD.

So weaker USD = strengthen MYR.

USD 1 = MYR 4.20
USD 1 = MYR 4.15
USD 1 = MYR 4.10
USD 1 = MYR 4.05
USD 1 = MYR 4.00

When you withdraw investment and wanna convert to MYR, it's getting lesser.
This is the risk of FOREX.
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post May 9 2021, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(pinksapphire @ May 9 2021, 12:47 PM)
Sorry, please forgive my newbness. I get the KWEB part, but not the USD conversion side. Why it's affected by our strengthening of MYR?
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SA's ETFs are traded in USD, so SA needs to convert your deposits into USD before they can buy units. Conversely, when you "withdraw", they sell off units and convert the USD earned into MYR before deposit into your savings account.

So if MYR strong during buy time, can convert to more USD, if weak then less USD.

Then if MYR get stronger during withdraw, your gains/losses might not be as high as when MYR is weak during withdrawal.

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