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post Feb 26 2019, 10:39 PM

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Just add on.

SA not only SP500 yea.

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post Feb 26 2019, 10:48 PM

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Just add on.

SA not only SP500 yea.
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Poor guy here, but working towards this direction too.

Just want to ask.. how do you actually practice DCA in this kind of investment? Because I assume every month transfer smaller amount of money is very inconvenient in this case (say around 1-2k ringgit / month), so probably will just transfer once every 6 months or even once every year.

Or sifus just accumulate wealth and only transfer when you think the index is underpriced?

Also if I have stash in captrader, do I get any growth like money market?

Thanks in advanced.
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post Feb 26 2019, 11:34 PM

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So simple. We would all get rich in no time.
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For comparison, here are the stashaway fees:

0.8% annual fees (for amount below 50k)
0.1% for currency conversion


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QUOTE(l4nc3k @ Feb 26 2019, 11:29 PM)
Poor guy here, but working towards this direction too.

Just want to ask.. how do you actually practice DCA in this kind of investment? Because I assume every month transfer smaller amount of money is very inconvenient in this case (say around 1-2k ringgit / month), so probably will just transfer once every 6 months or even once every year.

Or sifus just accumulate wealth and only transfer when you think the index is underpriced?

Also if I have stash in captrader, do I get any growth like money market?

Thanks in advanced.
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Ya... Need min rm18 for each subsequent investment... If not, brokerage charge will kill us.

Dca into a cash management fund first... Once hit rm18k, then execute sxr8

Yes u can buy more when index is cheaper. But jack bogle is against market timing.

Captrader Germany trading account interest very low to no existence...

Remember ya, only hoot with money u can afford to set aside for quite some time

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QUOTE(ChessRook @ Feb 27 2019, 07:20 AM)
For comparison, here are the stashaway fees:

0.8% annual fees (for amount below 50k)
0.1% for currency conversion
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Does SA charge members annual fee of the fund they selected? Like additional 0.07% if they hoot sp500...
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QUOTE(howszat @ Feb 26 2019, 11:34 PM)
So simple. We would all get rich in no time.
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No guarantee ya... If US market gg, then sp500 gg.... Then we gg in no time also
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 27 2019, 07:55 AM)
Does SA charge members annual fee of the fund they selected? Like additional 0.07% if they hoot sp500...
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Nope.

And don't forget etf can have tracking error.
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 27 2019, 07:52 AM)
Ya... Need min rm18 for each subsequent investment... If not, brokerage charge will kill us.

Dca into a cash management fund first... Once hit rm18k, then execute sxr8

Yes u can buy more when index is cheaper. But jack bogle is against market timing.

Captrader Germany trading account interest very low to no existence...

Remember ya, only hoot with money u can afford to set aside for quite some time
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Just to make it clear, is it DCA consistently via instarem->any cmf in captrader, then switch to sxr8 when have ~4k euro in the cmf? In this case the DCA just to offset currency fluctuations am i right?


QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 27 2019, 07:57 AM)
No guarantee ya... If US market gg, then sp500 gg.... Then we gg in no time also
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Haha but to be fair if US gg then most probably the whole world won’t be doing well.

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post Feb 27 2019, 08:58 AM

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I'm using TOS, not sure if the SPY is better or this, any comments from you guys? Thanks!

SPY is around US$280, commission is $5 per transaction

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QUOTE(l4nc3k @ Feb 27 2019, 08:06 AM)
Just to make it clear, is it DCA consistently via instarem->any cmf in captrader, then switch to sxr8 when have ~4k euro in the cmf? In this case the DCA just to offset currency fluctuations am i right?
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oh, make it simpler..... every month u DCA into let's say FSM cash management fund first (ringgit)...

once reach RM18k then only convert one shot gooding?

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QUOTE(Sumofwhich @ Feb 27 2019, 08:58 AM)
I'm using TOS, not sure if the SPY is better or this, any comments from you guys? Thanks!

SPY is around US$280, commission is $5 per transaction
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ic....if want hoot SPY (nyse version), then use Just2Trade broker, you get some free trades (zero fee on your brokerage).

But, alex no recommend SPY, or any US domiciled SP500.

Reason? Trump will eat you 30% tax withholding on dividend. You rugi.

Join me SXR8. Eat 15% only
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Nope.

And don't forget etf can have tracking error.
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nice.... yes please be noted on that also....

ETF can't mimick the actual SP500 100%..... but gooding d.....accuracy > 99%
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I can see iShares SP500 being called as IVV in my TD ameritrade account.

Is it the same thing, or this one will kena 30% withholding tax?
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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Feb 27 2019, 02:02 PM)
I can see iShares SP500 being called as IVV in my TD ameritrade account.

Is it the same thing, or this one will kena 30% withholding tax?
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There's lots of ETF which track s&p500.
Only the ones listed on LSE domiciled in Ireland pay 15%. The rest pay 30%

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Just notice that this SXR8 has very low volume traded.
Liquidity problem arises when u try to sell it
And Spread between sell and bid will reduce your profit.

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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Feb 27 2019, 02:02 PM)
I can see iShares SP500 being called as IVV in my TD ameritrade account.

Is it the same thing, or this one will kena 30% withholding tax?
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IVV fund domicile = australia = need to check whether australia and US got tax treaty or not

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 27 2019, 02:12 PM)
There's lots of ETF which track s&p500.
Only the ones listed on LSE domiciled in Ireland pay 15%. The rest pay 30%
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tq bro... tq for jaga kedai...haha
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QUOTE(Cactus89 @ Feb 27 2019, 02:33 PM)
Just notice that this SXR8 has very low volume traded.
Liquidity problem arises when u try to sell it
And Spread between sell and bid will reduce your profit.
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currently around 240 euro.... bid ask personal experience can be as large as 0.2....

dun worry, this will track the SP500.... arbitrager and market maker will make sure it is priced competitively

and...this is long term investment

if scare rugi, can parking limit buy order =)
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 27 2019, 11:38 AM)
ic....if want hoot SPY (nyse version), then use Just2Trade broker, you get some free trades (zero fee on your brokerage).

But, alex no recommend SPY, or any US domiciled SP500.

Reason? Trump will eat you 30% tax withholding on dividend. You rugi.

Join me SXR8. Eat 15% only
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Noted thanks! Didn't know SPY pay dividends as well, but yeah US dividends kena 30% withholding tax
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QUOTE(Sumofwhich @ Feb 27 2019, 05:39 PM)
Noted thanks! Didn't know SPY pay dividends as well, but yeah US dividends kena 30% withholding tax
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Semua salah trump... Haha... If not, I also hoot US fund d
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Semua salah trump... Haha... If not, I also hoot US fund d
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Is this somehow related to the late Jack Bogle's Vanguard fund?
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Is this somehow related to the late Jack Bogle's Vanguard fund?
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Yes... Bogle punya index fund semua US domiciled.... Don't think can buy vanguard fund which is domiciled elsewhere....

So as Malaysian... To maximize return, hoot those Ireland domiciled one then ok d
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Thanks Alex!
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 27 2019, 07:21 PM)
Yes... Bogle punya index fund semua US domiciled.... Don't think can buy vanguard fund which is domiciled elsewhere....

So as Malaysian... To maximize return, hoot those Ireland domiciled one then ok d
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15% withholding meaning we lose 15% of it or just need to wait next fiscal year to claim back?
If can claim back is it automated by the service we use, or in this case captrader?
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15% withholding meaning we lose 15% of it or just need to wait next fiscal year to claim back?
If can claim back is it automated by the service we use, or in this case captrader?
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I see it as paying / donting tax to the government. You can't claim it back.
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I see it as paying / donting tax to the government. You can't claim it back.
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yes ini chess checkmate.... listen to him...

coz we hoot SP500, trump sure eat one.... we malaysia sad, so maximum 30% dividend eaten by US tax department......


the best is we hoot Ireland-domiciled then 15%....


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15% withholding meaning we lose 15% of it or just need to wait next fiscal year to claim back?
If can claim back is it automated by the service we use, or in this case captrader?
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yes automated....SXR8 is 'accumulating' type, meaning that when it comes to dividend distribution, it will terus reinvest in the fund, and auto pay 15% dividend tax also....


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QUOTE(l4nc3k @ Feb 27 2019, 10:47 PM)
15% withholding meaning we lose 15% of it or just need to wait next fiscal year to claim back?
If can claim back is it automated by the service we use, or in this case captrader?
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No claiming back.
Think of it this way.
US company give 10 dollar dividend.
If you buy from US, HK, get ready to received only 7 dollar as US govt eat up 3 dollar.
Now if you buy from London, you get 8.50 as US govt only eat 1.50
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Interesting Topic..
will get to know all about it..
any doubt I would post here ask help
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Hi TF, I thInk all beginners would like to know this.. please do share your experience. Thanks

1. What's the recommended min cash before an individual follow this path? I believe this is not for people with small amount.

2. How many % out from the portfolio should be allocated for this?
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QUOTE(w3sley @ Mar 2 2019, 12:44 PM)
Hi TF, I thInk all beginners would like to know this.. please do share your experience. Thanks

1. What's the recommended min cash before an individual follow this path? I believe this is not for people with small amount.

2. How many % out from the portfolio should be allocated for this?
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1. See fist page.

2. Depend on how much you feel comfortable investing.
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 27 2019, 11:01 PM)
yes ini chess checkmate.... listen to him...

coz we hoot SP500, trump sure eat one.... we malaysia sad, so maximum 30% dividend eaten by US tax department......
the best is we hoot Ireland-domiciled then 15%....
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But SA help us to claim back the 30% if not mistaken.

Only hybrid convertible can't claim back...
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1. See fist page.

2. Depend on how much you feel comfortable investing.
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Hi, is there an Ireland-domiciled ETF for total world market/international fund? And also US bond & international bond fund?

Am trying to build a three-fund portfolio.
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Hi, is there an Ireland-domiciled ETF for total world market/international fund? And also US bond & international bond fund?

Am trying to build a three-fund portfolio.
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Ini bro ahead of everyone... Bogleheads... Haha..

Last time i got do homework... But I don't like their expense ratio... Slightly high... Wait I ask kawan xia..

For bond... Dun hoot International.... Support Malaysia pls~
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But SA help us to claim back the 30% if not mistaken.

Only hybrid convertible can't claim back...
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Good info... If it's true then SA has an advantage here...

Avg sp500 dividend yield is around 2% p.a.

If eat 30% then 0.6% yield burn
If eat 15% then 0.3% yield burn

If no burn, wah 0.6% extra return???

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 2 2019, 03:56 PM)
Ini bro ahead of everyone... Bogleheads... Haha..

Last time i got do homework... But I don't like their expense ratio... Slightly high... Wait I ask kawan xia..

For bond... Dun hoot International.... Support Malaysia pls~
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Haha fellow bogleheads indeed. Need to drive more awareness into passive investing smile.gif

Am using Captrader so please let me know the ETF tickers if you manage to find. Cheers.
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i might as well share results of my research.

of course i havent tried this.

1. open itrade cimb trading account with Cross Border Trading feature, to Singapore Stock Exchange
2. Buy S&P 500 ETF at Singapore Stock Exchange.


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QUOTE(john123x @ Mar 2 2019, 11:51 PM)
i might as well share results of my research.

of course i havent tried this.

1. open itrade cimb trading account with Cross Border Trading feature, to Singapore Stock Exchange
2. Buy S&P 500 ETF at Singapore Stock Exchange.
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Cheap?
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Cheap?
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i dont know, i havent tried it. its result from my research



There are also other technique.

Fundsupermart Singapore, buy S&P500 Unit Trust


https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/funds/factsheet/370283
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/funds/factsheet/OCIUS5

of course, i havent tried it.

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QUOTE(john123x @ Mar 3 2019, 01:21 AM)
i dont know, i havent tried it. its result from my research
There are also other technique.

Fundsupermart Singapore, buy S&P500 Unit Trust
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/funds/factsheet/370283
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/fsm/funds/factsheet/OCIUS5

of course, i havent tried it.
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ic...i tot cheapest =)

dun let FSM eat leh...annual charge >0.7%....follow my method...annual charge 0.07%

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QUOTE(john123x @ Mar 2 2019, 11:51 PM)
i might as well share results of my research.

of course i havent tried this.

1. open itrade cimb trading account with Cross Border Trading feature, to Singapore Stock Exchange
2. Buy S&P 500 ETF at Singapore Stock Exchange.
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You will still end up paying 30% withholding tax & higher brokerage fees.

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TS, great thread for creating awareness on index fund investment.

Did you miss out the two other type of index funds in your recommendation, i.e. world/international and bond ?
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TS, great thread for creating awareness on index fund investment.

Did you miss out the two other type of index funds in your recommendation, i.e. world/international and bond ?
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hehe, kena tangkap basah....

im more to Bogle's original thesis on hooting only SP500 (no international), and national bond

so... for malaysia context

we hoot SP500 (coz KLCI30 is a joke)
for bond, i guess this one open for choices.

I lookup itu Ambank bond fund, yield <4%, better all in FD better.

haha
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 3 2019, 04:49 PM)
hehe, kena tangkap basah....

im more to Bogle's original thesis on hooting only SP500 (no international), and national bond

so... for malaysia context

we hoot SP500 (coz KLCI30 is a joke)
for bond, i guess this one open for choices.

I lookup itu Ambank bond fund, yield <4%, better all in FD better.

haha
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Then it is index fund investment lo...not true boglehead investment. Although not, it's still good investment strategy.

I came across boglehead investment strategy while searching for the all weather portfolio months back. Frankly I have not started to follow yet because I have other priorities for my fund.




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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Mar 3 2019, 04:57 PM)
Then it is index fund investment lo...not true boglehead investment. Although not, it's still good investment strategy.

I came across boglehead investment strategy while searching for the all weather portfolio months back. Frankly I have not started to follow yet because I have other priorities for my fund.
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hehe, at least got 50% markah =D

come back sometimes to share your financial journey with us. Will addon the bond element when this thread becomes matures a bit...
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hehe, at least got 50% markah =D

come back sometimes to share your financial journey with us. Will addon the bond element when this thread becomes matures a bit...
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Don't worry about that. I am still learning too.

While I may have read about boglehead, I would only choose 2 index types only, USA & EM markets to ensure no overlapping, as international or worldwide fund would already included the USA market in its portfolio. So we just need to ensure these market are really exclusive of one another, just in case either market drop.

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Mar 3 2019, 05:22 PM)
Don't worry about that.  I am still learning too.

While I may have read about boglehead, I would only choose 2 index types only, USA & EM markets to ensure no overlapping, as international or worldwide fund would already included the USA market in its portfolio. So we just need to ensure these market are really exclusive of one another, just in case either market drop.
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Gooding. For lazy method, can straight hoot total world index... US + emerging economies semua sapu smile.gif
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 27 2019, 03:30 PM)
currently around 240 euro.... bid ask personal experience can be as large as 0.2....

dun worry, this will track the SP500.... arbitrager and market maker will make sure it is priced competitively

and...this is long term investment

if scare rugi, can parking limit buy order =)
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Hi alexkos,

may i know what do you mean limit buy order?
ya liquidity is one of my concern as well as if u want to sell it and end up no buyers...it will be difficult

in addition, may i know if captrader is nominee account or custodial? if anything happens to captrader, will our money being locked there as well?

Thank you for your advice!
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QUOTE(spiderwick @ Mar 6 2019, 10:51 AM)
Hi alexkos,

may i know what do you mean limit buy order?
ya liquidity is one of my concern as well as if u want to sell it and end up no buyers...it will be difficult

in addition, may i know if captrader is nominee account or custodial? if anything happens to captrader, will our money being locked there as well?

Thank you for your advice!
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Limit buy order means u parking price let's say 240 euro per share. Only lower then they will sell to you. If higher, means no transaction.

Liqudity no prob. Market maker will take your orders.

Custodial I guess. Money is parking at Germany bank, or London. Wait I screenshot captrader punya bank.

If captrader gg, I guess no choice, we gg also?
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breaking news. Stashaway can claim back 30% withholding tax. So no need DIY method coz max claim back 15% only.

Note: for StashAway fact check, pls navigate to SA thread. Sifu there can help.

Bye.

update 7 march 2019: now SA folks are unsure if they can fully claim back withholding tax 30%. For confirmation, kindly navigate to SA forum

update#2: SA folks confirm no tax advantage when it comes to withholding tax (for both SA or DIY method).


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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 6 2019, 12:48 PM)
breaking news. Stashaway can claim back 30% withholding tax. So no need DIY method coz max claim back 15% only.

Note: for StashAway fact check, pls navigate to SA thread. Sifu there can help.

Bye.

update 7 march 2019: now SA folks are unsure if they can fully claim back withholding tax 30%. For confirmation, kindly navigate to SA forum

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OK now I am interested in this. But then again 15% saving on 2% dividend yield, how much capital do we need invested for this to have significant advantage over StashAway?

Also I wanna see got any ways to buy VTWAX here, seems more fun to have exposure to 47 countries in one shot.

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OK now I am interested in this. But then again 15% saving on 2% dividend yield, how much capital do we need invested for this to have significant advantage over StashAway?

Also I wanna see got any ways to buy VTWAX here, seems more fun to have exposure to 47 countries in one shot.
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18k per entry. But your SGD should be 6k. brows.gif
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OK now I am interested in this. But then again 15% saving on 2% dividend yield, how much capital do we need invested for this to have significant advantage over StashAway?

Also I wanna see got any ways to buy VTWAX here, seems more fun to have exposure to 47 countries in one shot.
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hmm, if play absolute figure....later i generate it....

we talk relative figure first, i.e., %

correct me if I'm wrong. Actually SA can be used to hoot SXR8 (ireland domiciled SP500). If yes, then you get the withholding tax 15% only, same as DIY method. So this will be a non-issue.

The only advantage for DIY is no platform fee every year. If SA, every year 0.8% donation to platform.

Alex fast ask google:

https://lazybutintelligentinvesting.wordpre...from-singapore/

FTSE All-World UCITS ETF (VWRD) <---ireland domiciled

VWRD fact check
https://americas.vanguard.com/institutional...ssetCode=EQUITY
cost: 0.25% annual fee

CapTrader has access to VWRD no problem. Actually any international broker can do that also. Just CapTrader alex find cheapest (for initial minimum deposit)






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18k per entry. But your SGD should be 6k. brows.gif
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the 18k is 4k euro...

coz captrader will eat 4 euro per transaction

min 4 euro, or 1 euro per 1k.......

so want maximize saving, then 4k euro lo~

no choice, everyone want to eat =(

if got 18k, then guarantee brokerage fee they eat 0.1% only

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How safe are these brokers not located in Malaysia, in case they disappear how do we seek legal help?

I guess that's my main concern so far, not just cost, coz if captrader cabut then GG.
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QUOTE(honsiong @ Mar 7 2019, 09:09 PM)
How safe are these brokers not located in Malaysia, in case they disappear how do we seek legal help?

I guess that's my main concern so far, not just cost, coz if captrader cabut then GG.
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ya....captrader say if anything kena, got bla bla bla safety clause with Interactive broker....but no choice if they choose to songlap, our money gg also =(

my fren despite captrader cost advantage, use his international bank (charles schwab) to hoot SXR8.

Result: higher FX + brokerage fee
but every year 0.07% annual fee onward (like me)

i also want cheap, good, safe.... looks like can only compromise =(

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I guess that's my main concern so far, not just cost, coz if captrader cabut then GG.
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They are under IB Label. Anything wrong with them find IB. Not sure how good is IB customer service. IB is protected by US PIDM up to USD200k.

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 7 2019, 09:11 PM)
ya....captrader say if anything kena, got bla bla bla safety clause with Interactive broker....but no choice if they choose to songlap, our money gg also =(

my fren despite captrader cost advantage, use his international bank (charles schwab) to hoot SXR8.

Result: higher FX + brokerage fee
but every year 0.07% annual fee onward (like me)

i also want cheap, good, safe.... looks like can only compromise =(
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Is there a way to have the shares we bought really under our name, like CDS/CDP system, so we are less affected by anything hitting our brokers.
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Ramjade bro more experienced than me actually. Must thank him for helping jaga kedai. I guli only, haha.
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Is there a way to have the shares we bought really under our name, like CDS/CDP system, so we are less affected by anything hitting our brokers.
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Good also, I try explore that.

If really got personal CDS international, then i transfer my SXR8 shares terus (yes captrader allows transfer positions)
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ini masa captrader ask alex to bank in (general info)
then need notify another side also (instarem)

when do wiring from instarem to captrader, the latter asks for wiring intention. In other words, you must notify both parties, if not ah, money songlap in between?

So Ramjade is correct. Itu Captrader use IB (see the name Interactive Broker). If captrader gg, maybe can sue IB?

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How safe are these brokers not located in Malaysia, in case they disappear how do we seek legal help?

I guess that's my main concern so far, not just cost, coz if captrader cabut then GG.
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I guess most people are not aware that IB is one of the largest brokers in the world. If IB goes burst, the big banks and financial institutions will be gone too.

From Wikipedia:

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IB is regulated by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority, the New York Stock Exchange, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, National Futures Association, Chicago Mercantile Exchange and other self-regulatory organizations. The company is a provider of fully disclosed, omnibus, and non-disclosed broker accounts and provides correspondent clearing services to 200 introducing brokers worldwide. The company serves 483 thousand client brokerage accounts, with US$125 billion in customer equity. Interactive Brokers Group owns 40 percent of the futures exchange OneChicago, and is an equity partner and founder of the Boston Options Exchange.

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For legal help, seek the regulatory bodies in each country you're interested in

For example, if you buy US stocks via IB, and you want to know your legal rights
- they are a member of FINRA https://brokercheck.finra.org/firm/summary/36418
- FINRA has safety nets when brokers that are part of FINRA disappears http://www.finra.org/investors/alerts/if-b...loses-its-doors
- you can transfer stocks from one broker to another with ACATS https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/softw...tstransfers.htm
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tq buddies for contributing. Ini gua pun tak tau...haha
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 7 2019, 09:23 PM)
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ini masa captrader ask alex to bank in (general info)
then need notify another side also (instarem)

when do wiring from instarem to captrader, the latter asks for wiring intention. In other words, you must notify both parties, if not ah, money songlap in between?

So Ramjade is correct. Itu Captrader use IB (see the name Interactive Broker). If captrader gg, maybe can sue IB?
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So you have done your first trade dy? drool.gif come share share ur experience

BTW came across the captrader account opening

Ireland trade seem to have stamp tax?

you might want to put this into ur fee calculation also

https://www.captrader.com/en/account/conditions/

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Mar 9 2019, 09:40 AM)
So you have done your first trade dy?  drool.gif  come share share ur experience

BTW came across the captrader account opening

Ireland trade seem to have stamp tax?

you might want to put this into ur fee calculation also

https://www.captrader.com/en/account/conditions/

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Hehe.. Alex hoot Xetra Germany exchange... So bypass London... No stamp tax

That's why SXR8 wins

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Hehe.. Alex hoot Xetra Germany exchange... So bypass London... No stamp tax

That's why SXR8 wins
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I came across a brokerage call FirstTrader which offer zero commission trade, but sadly they dont accept Malaysian shakehead.gif
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I came across a brokerage call FirstTrader which offer zero commission trade, but sadly they dont accept Malaysian  shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 7 2019, 09:05 PM)
hmm, if play absolute figure....later i generate it....

we talk relative figure first, i.e., %

correct me if I'm wrong. Actually SA can be used to hoot SXR8 (ireland domiciled SP500). If yes, then you get the withholding tax 15% only, same as DIY method. So this will be a non-issue.

The only advantage for DIY is no platform fee every year. If SA, every year 0.8% donation to platform.

Alex fast ask google:

https://lazybutintelligentinvesting.wordpre...from-singapore/

FTSE All-World UCITS ETF (VWRD) <---ireland domiciled

VWRD fact check
https://americas.vanguard.com/institutional...ssetCode=EQUITY
cost: 0.25% annual fee

CapTrader has access to VWRD no problem. Actually any international broker can do that also. Just CapTrader alex find cheapest (for initial minimum deposit)
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is SWDA , CSPX tradeable on CapTrader, any place for me to check what ETF can be purchased on CapTrader? i tried their demo account cannot login at all sweat.gif

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Mar 9 2019, 03:08 PM)
is SWDA , CSPX tradeable on CapTrader, any place for me to check what ETF can be purchased on CapTrader? i tried their demo account cannot login at all  sweat.gif
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Hmm... Captrader go with exchanges....

Itu swda cspx see list which exchange... Then hoot that...

Cspx if not wrong return LSE exchange which I avoid...

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rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif  thx dude
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U r welcome... If u see lseetf... It means London.... So will kena stamp tax oh... Careful ya
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How low will the S&P 500 go? Buffett and Shiller know - https://on.mktw.net/2sGuaNp

Highlight :
Financial experts predicted next 10 years till 2028, S&P 500 returns projection between +2.6% to -4.1%.

So don't just stick to this one index only.

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Earlier, I have shared this link in another thread. Similar to the post above, Grantham seems to say the same thing about the poor returns for US stocks but he predicted this for up to 20 years..

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/07/this-bull-m...chterm=Grantham
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 9 2019, 06:16 PM)
U r welcome... If u see lseetf... It means London.... So will kena stamp tax oh... Careful ya
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https://www.justetf.com/en/etf-profile.html...983&tab=listing

was concerned because check on justetf website and saw that it is listed on XETRA as well, so wonder if it possible to find the XETRA listed SWDA flex.gif

maybe i should just open a captrader account and give it a shot, ok if i fund the account?

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Mar 9 2019, 11:13 PM)
How low will the S&P 500 go? Buffett and Shiller know -  https://on.mktw.net/2sGuaNp

Highlight :
Financial experts predicted next 10 years till 2028, S&P 500 returns projection between +2.6% to -4.1%.

So don't just stick to this one index only.
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Ya sadding. Any recommendation apart from sp500? Why Berkshire so bodo one?

I think think xia, i think you're right. Diversification is important.

So please have fixed income portion also =)

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Mar 9 2019, 11:26 PM)
https://www.justetf.com/en/etf-profile.html...983&tab=listing

was concerned because check on justetf website and saw that it is listed on XETRA as well, so wonder if it possible to find the XETRA listed SWDA flex.gif

maybe i should just open a captrader account and give it a shot, ok if i fund the account?
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. I help search xia.... U want xetra Germany exchange version of swda betul?
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Added 'If You Can' attachment from Boglehead diehard @ front page. Enjoy =)

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Mar 9 2019, 11:26 PM)
https://www.justetf.com/en/etf-profile.html...983&tab=listing

was concerned because check on justetf website and saw that it is listed on XETRA as well, so wonder if it possible to find the XETRA listed SWDA flex.gif

maybe i should just open a captrader account and give it a shot, ok if i fund the account?
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iShares Core MSCI World UCITS ETF
Code name: SWDA


Code name: IWDA
Euronext Amsterdam [AEB]


Don't have Xetra germany, but Amsterdam ada (same 4 EUR brokerage)

ok sui

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Added 'If You Can' attachment from Boglehead diehard @ front page. Enjoy =)
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I'm using TOS, not sure if the SPY is better or this, any comments from you guys? Thanks!

SPY is around US$280, commission is $5 per transaction
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Sumofwhich May I ask if you are signing up with TOS USA? I 'had' a TOS USA account for years but a few years ago, they said I have to sign up with TOS Singapore instead and close my TOS USA account.

So am curious, which TOS you signed up with and if it is still with TOS USA, how you still managed to retain that account. Thanks
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QUOTE(abcn1n @ Mar 16 2019, 03:33 PM)
Sumofwhich May I ask if you are signing up with TOS USA? I 'had' a TOS USA account for years but a few years ago, they said I have to sign up with TOS Singapore instead and close my TOS USA account.

So am curious, which TOS you signed up with and if it is still with TOS USA, how you still managed to retain that account. Thanks
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Registered with USA, migrated to SG as we're in Asia region
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Registered with USA, migrated to SG as we're in Asia region
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Sumofwhich Thanks Sumofwhich. So I guess you are paying the higher commission now compared to when you were registered with USA.
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Sumofwhich Thanks Sumofwhich. So I guess you are paying the higher commission now compared to when you were registered with USA.
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It's the same I believe. They are just migrating our accounts and support to SG.
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It's the same I believe. They are just migrating our accounts and support to SG.
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thx alex for the info, so can conclude SA > diy?
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thx alex for the info, so can conclude SA > diy?
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hmm, alex got >RM18k bullet, so DIY > SA

one time 0.45% forex fee
0.1% brokerage fee
annual 0.07% annual fee

you do the math cool2.gif
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inb4 sp500 at all time high, i also scare to buy? haha
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hmm, alex got >RM18k bullet, so DIY > SA

one time 0.45% forex fee
0.1% brokerage fee
annual 0.07% annual fee

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But u said SA can claim back 30%, diy will eat 15%?

Is the 15% tax from dividend or from total amount invested?
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But u said SA can claim back 30%, diy will eat 15%?

Is the 15% tax from dividend or from total amount invested?
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All us eq diarrhea.

But until when dont know lol
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1% is not diarrhea :x
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OH NO MARKET CRASH AGAINNNNN

SELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

lol.
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OH NO MARKET CRASH AGAINNNNN

SELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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U want to hear the story where hengyuan crashed rm3 in the afternoon? Hehe...
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U want to hear the story where hengyuan crashed rm3 in the afternoon? Hehe...
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3 or 0.30 ?
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3% la.... Not 3 myr la.

Btw. Hengyuan not peopel goreng meh
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3 or 0.30 ?
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Hehe... That's why you need bigger popcorn package smile.gif

Rm19. 20 to Rm16. 30 on 29 Dec 2017, last trading day afternoon 2.30pm I was in front of the computer...
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Inb4 mod ban this, the discussion is necessary to reflect the volatility of trading individual stocks as opposed to holding diversified index fund.
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 25 2019, 06:50 PM)
Hehe... That's why you need bigger popcorn package smile.gif

Rm19. 20 to Rm16. 30 on 29 Dec 2017, last trading day afternoon 2.30pm I was in front of the computer...
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Inb4 mod ban this, the discussion is necessary to reflect the volatility of trading individual stocks as opposed to holding diversified index fund.
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wah, here business so bad....sp500 near all time high...
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wah, here business so bad....sp500 near all time high...
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wah, here business so bad....sp500 near all time high...
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eh.

many news flying liao.

SP500 is bubble. wait pop nia.

even my port now is up 8% in 3 months. I also scare shit weiiii.
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Added 'passive investing' bideo

inb4 ringgit sadding sarahan siapa
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Added 'passive investing' bideo

inb4 ringgit sadding sarahan siapa
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Sifuuu i am waiting you to share the instarem -> captrader method  cry.gif
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U open instarem acc d?
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U open instarem acc d?
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Alex, is it ok if I use Money Match to transfer instead of Instarem? I can't sign up for Instarem because I'm not staying in Klang Valley.
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havent, my SA havent accumulate to 18k yet  cry.gif
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Ic... Money match mahal oh... Hmm... Can also... But always aim for cheapest... Every ringgit in cost is ringgit not invested for compounding return...
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Yea I got no choice sad.gif . Or is there anyway to bypass the address thingy for Instarem (can use my friend address for example)?
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Yea I got no choice  sad.gif . Or is there anyway to bypass the address thingy for Instarem (can use my friend address for example)?
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cannot leh....instarem monitored by BNM also....anything ringgit outflow sensitive thingy....careful....

if no time turun KL, hmm...hope other sifu here can give help....if not, see if u want proceed first...

u open captrader acc d?
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Alex, is it ok if I use Money Match to transfer instead of Instarem? I can't sign up for Instarem because I'm not staying in Klang Valley.
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Moneymatch problematic sikit. Not sure if they support foreign stock broker. You neater email them. If you r eon Penang, Klang Valley, JB, I think instarem service you.

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Yea I got no choice  sad.gif . Or is there anyway to bypass the address thingy for Instarem (can use my friend address for example)?
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Yes got choice. Take leave and open. What's taking 2-3days of leave vs paying more for all foreign transfer you made? Think long term.
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Apr 18 2019, 03:07 PM)
cannot leh....instarem monitored by BNM also....anything ringgit outflow sensitive thingy....careful....

if no time turun KL, hmm...hope other sifu here can give help....if not, see if u want proceed first...

u open captrader acc d?
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I can go down to KL no problem. So if I go to their office personally then can open an account with them? Because online registration they don't accept Pahang address.

Edit: No still haven't open account with captrader yet. Will do so soon!

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Moneymatch problematic sikit. Not sure if they support foreign stock broker. You neater email them. If you r eon Penang,  Klang Valley,  JB,  I think instarem service you.
Yes got choice. Take leave and open. What's taking 2-3days of leave vs paying more for all foreign transfer you made? Think long term.
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I can go down to KL no problem. So if I go to their office personally then can open an account with them? Because online registration they don't accept Pahang address.
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Yes you need to meet them in KL. They reject you based on address in pahang is because they do not service pahang state for face to face kyc.

However if you put location of kyc as their office, no issue. Just contacted customer service to correct the place you want to meet them.
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Yes you need to meet them in KL. They reject you based on address in pahang is because they do not service pahang state for face to face kyc.

However if you put location of kyc as their office,  no issue. Just contacted customer service to correct the place you want to meet them.
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bump for this. I think i face similar case last time. I enter address cant. Called instarem. He said we meet at KL Sentral chicken rice shop (I set the place), then settle on the spot cool2.gif
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Yes you need to meet them in KL. They reject you based on address in pahang is because they do not service pahang state for face to face kyc.

However if you put location of kyc as their office,  no issue. Just contacted customer service to correct the place you want to meet them.
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sui~ SP500 since 1930s

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the higher and quicker they raise,
the harder and quicker they will fall too....
will it continue at this rate?
will it continue to rise for many years more?
what made it grow at those rate and pace?
will those factors continue to sustains for a many more years?
what are those threats?
what prevents those perceived threats that had happened in the past years from resurface again?

Damn, if only I know....should go get a TIME stone from Dr Strange.



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the higher and quicker they raise,
the harder and quicker they will fall too....
will it continue at this rate?
will it continue to rise for many years more?
what made it grow at those rate and pace?
will those factors continue to sustains for a many more years?
what are those threats?
what prevents those perceived threats that had happened in the past years from resurface again?

Damn, if only I know....should go get a TIME stone from Dr Strange.
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Hehe... Where was I in Feb 2009?
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with the constant news/articles about the "reached peaks"....
I think many would have bailed out just a few years after 2009 to protect/preserves the gains.
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wah, sp500 crash again. semua salah siapa?
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wah, sp500 crash again. semua salah siapa?
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Nice. Indexing the simple path to wealth - JL Collins.

But then we always think we can be Warren buffett
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Hey guys noobie here. The ETF thread is magnitudes bigger than this index fund thread. I think it's because it's more accessible and familiar to Malaysians.

Why do you guys choose index funds over ETFs? Or maybe you guys invest in both?
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Hey guys noobie here. The ETF thread is magnitudes bigger than this index fund thread. I think it's because it's more accessible and familiar to Malaysians.

Why do you guys choose index funds over ETFs? Or maybe you guys invest in both?
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Sama only. If u look closely, here we hoot sp500 etf.

Itu etf mothership lo. This one outpost only.
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Nice. Indexing the simple path to wealth - JL Collins.

But then we always think we can be Warren buffett
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Hehe... Found another convert. To become a member, you're required to disclose your asset allocation and fund size (joke).

Happy on board. Feel free to contribute.

Gula: SPDR new fund on all world index launched Jan 2019.
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Depending on popularity, Alex will be organising a bogleheads Malaysia local chapter.

Casual meet up with like minded ppl who want FiRE and the more the merrier to help stay the course.

Fire = financial independent retire early

Sui~indicate your interest by replying here.

Membership fee : disclose your index fund choice

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Hi, I am interested in FI as well.
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stock market these days.....

my fren bursa also kena...
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Hi, I am interested in FI as well.
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hello, give me a bit story for me to elaborate. Are you currently working?
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Hehe... Found another convert. To become a member, you're required to disclose your asset allocation and fund size (joke).

Happy on board. Feel free to contribute.

Gula: SPDR new fund on all world index launched Jan 2019.
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Great - SPDR's SWRD 0.12% Total Expense Ratio vs iShares' IWDA 0.2%. Once the volume and AUM grows (which shouldn't be too long), I'll start collecting unless iShares drop their TER to compete.
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Great - SPDR's SWRD 0.12% Total Expense Ratio vs iShares' IWDA 0.2%. Once the volume and AUM grows (which shouldn't be too long), I'll start collecting unless iShares drop their TER to compete.
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ya....itu new Spider macam gooding..... now i'm still with SP500, if in out the commission fee quite pain for now....
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ya....itu new Spider macam gooding..... now i'm still with SP500, if in out the commission fee quite pain for now....
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You have the option to keep it, and add all world index ETF from now on. Lump both as your global portion, and when it's time to rebalance and sell global because it is over weighted in your portfolio - sell SXR8 first.
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QUOTE(roarus @ May 13 2019, 09:59 PM)
You have the option to keep it, and add all world index ETF from now on. Lump both as your global portion, and when it's time to rebalance and sell global because it is over weighted in your portfolio - sell SXR8 first.
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Make sense. Why u so panlai? Haha
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hello, give me a bit story for me to elaborate. Are you currently working?
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Yea. It's been working for 10yrs and still shifting FI goal post due to family commitment. Hopefully can FI in 5-10yrs time.
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what is FI? lol, Fund index?
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what is FI? lol, Fund index?
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Financial Independence in this context.

But a more commonly used one is Foreign Investment.
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Great - SPDR's SWRD 0.12% Total Expense Ratio vs iShares' IWDA 0.2%. Once the volume and AUM grows (which shouldn't be too long), I'll start collecting unless iShares drop their TER to compete.
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why not collecting now?
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Financial Independence in this context.

But a more commonly used one is Foreign Investment.
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Yea. It's been working for 10yrs and still shifting FI goal post due to family commitment. Hopefully can FI in 5-10yrs time.
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gooding boss. You are way ahead of me, I should learn from you instead.

By the way you talk, I suppose you already know what you need to do.

Like budgeting, live below means, indexing etc.
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gooding boss. You are way ahead of me, I should learn from you instead.

By the way you talk, I suppose you already know what you need to do.

Like budgeting, live below means, indexing etc.
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Have been silent reader in lyn for few years and finally brave enough to put some words in this space.

Plan and execute the idea is totally 2 different thing.
Indexing is new thing to me.
Hope it can accelerate and become another source of moolah.
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QUOTE(sjteh @ May 14 2019, 09:42 PM)
Have been silent reader in lyn for few years and finally brave enough to put some words in this space.

Plan and execute the idea is totally 2 different thing.
Indexing is new thing to me.
Hope it can accelerate and become another source of moolah.
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Hehe silent reader... If u avid reader, search up John bogle index investing. See how ppl laugh him. Now he gg d, but his fund is the largest. Many active fund already gg long time ago.
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are there no malaysian broker that offers S&P500?
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dont think so, even it does, the broker fee gonna be a big pain
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Great - SPDR's SWRD 0.12% Total Expense Ratio vs iShares' IWDA 0.2%. Once the volume and AUM grows (which shouldn't be too long), I'll start collecting unless iShares drop their TER to compete.
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Hi roarus, the SWRD / SWLD seem has no changes or changes % at all on IB/TradeStation, why is that so?

I checked on on the opening price for today is 0.00 as well

is that because no trading at all?

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Hi roarus, the SWRD / SWLD seem has no changes or changes % at all on IB/TradeStation, why is that so?

I checked on on the opening price for today is 0.00 as well

is that because no trading at all?

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Yup, simply there's no trade on those 2 counters - it's not UK holiday today, the other 2 world indexes IWDA and VWRD are kicking and exchanging hands
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Yup, simply there's no trade on those 2 counters - it's not UK holiday today, the other 2 world indexes IWDA and VWRD are kicking and exchanging hands
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sad.gif sad.gif hope the volume grow soon haha, since the TER is much better than IWDA

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SGX has a SPDR S&P500 fund. No need to go thru that many trouble, but dunno dividends got taxed or not.
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SGX has a SPDR S&P500 fund. No need to go thru that many trouble, but dunno dividends got taxed or not.
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Sgx trading fee cheap?
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SGX has a SPDR S&P500 fund. No need to go thru that many trouble, but dunno dividends got taxed or not.
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What is the ticker?

but i think IWDA/SWRD track different things as SPY.

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The S&P 500® (total return) index tracks 500 large cap US stocks.

IWDA/SWRD
The MSCI World index tracks stocks from 23 developed countries world wide. As of January 2019 the index consisted of 1.632 constituents.
SPY more on US but IWDA/SWRd more on whole world
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Sgx trading fee cheap?
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I use Maybank so $25 per trade, but the units are held directly under my name in SGX CDP, no worry about broker house shut down.


QUOTE(tadashi987 @ May 17 2019, 09:11 PM)
What is the ticker?

but i think IWDA/SWRD track different things as SPY.
SPY more on US but IWDA/SWRd more on whole world
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SGX S27.

SPDR website
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SGX has a SPDR S&P500 fund. No need to go thru that many trouble, but dunno dividends got taxed or not.
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Yup taxed at full 30%, even as a Singaporean it's worth getting it via London Stock Exchange ticker CSPX for the volume, tax discount and auto invest factor.
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SGX has a SPDR S&P500 fund. No need to go thru that many trouble, but dunno dividends got taxed or not.
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hmm, my sg fren itu US domiciled. Trump happy eat 30% tax.

come follow me SXR8
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hmm, my sg fren itu US domiciled. Trump happy eat 30% tax.

come follow me SXR8
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Tak da duit lah bang
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Tak da duit lah bang
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itu captrader min charge 4 EUR per trade~ so around RM20 also.

U buy one share, SXR8 around 250EUR now..... should be less than RM1,500.

Then u can cry to the world, u own the best companies in the world biggrin.gif

achievement unlocked.

annual fee 0.07% only.

But if small capital, can do SA first. SA eat 1% rain or shine, so yummy.
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Tak da duit lah bang
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QUOTE(alexkos @ May 17 2019, 11:53 PM)
itu captrader min charge 4 EUR per trade~ so around RM20 also.

U buy one share, SXR8 around 250EUR now..... should be less than RM1,500.

Then u can cry to the world, u own the best companies in the world  biggrin.gif

achievement unlocked.

annual fee 0.07% only.

But if small capital, can do SA first. SA eat 1% rain or shine, so yummy.
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I'd say once you hit the RM50,000 mark, it's time to wave goodbye to StashAway and wear the big boy's pants with an international broker.

Alternatively via TradeStation, and USD denominated funds:
i. FAST to IB's SG Citibank: free - I believe honsiong has access to SG bank account
ii. Convert SGD->USD: USD2 min - convert up to ~USD33,333 before paying more
iii. 1 share of whichever rocks your boat IWDA/CSPX/VWRD: USD56.33 / USD283.28 / USD84.34
iv. Commission GBP1.5 equivalent in USD (~USD1.95) min, or 0.12% of trade value - buy up to ~USD1625 in value before paying more

The above works well for SGD2000 bi-monthly buy in.

Bonus: Step 0. MYR->SGD - we all have a few Malaysian relatives and friends working in Singapore that sends money back every month right? Strike up a win-win rate
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I'd say once you hit the RM50,000 mark, it's time to wave goodbye to StashAway and wear the big boy's pants with an international broker.

Alternatively via TradeStation, and USD denominated funds:
i. FAST to IB's SG Citibank: free - I believe honsiong has access to SG bank account
ii. Convert SGD->USD: USD2 min - convert up to ~USD33,333 before paying more
iii. 1 share of whichever rocks your boat IWDA/CSPX/VWRD: USD56.33 / USD283.28 / USD84.34
iv. Commission GBP1.5 equivalent in USD (~USD1.95) min, or 0.12% of trade value - buy up to ~USD1625 in value before paying more

The above works well for SGD2000 bi-monthly buy in.

Bonus: Step 0. MYR->SGD - we all have a few Malaysian relatives and friends working in Singapore that sends money back every month right? Strike up a win-win rate
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Sui wor... Sg xitibank can open account online?
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Btw... Myr sgd transfer like that... Itu lhdn will come invite me kopi or not?
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Sui wor... Sg xitibank can open account online?
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It's hard to open SG bank account after 1mdb.

QUOTE(alexkos @ May 18 2019, 02:18 PM)
Btw... Myr sgd transfer like that... Itu lhdn will come invite me kopi or not?
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You transfer straight to Captrader you think LHDN won't ajak you out for coffee? As long as you paid your taxes, nothing to worry.

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It's hard to open SG bank account after 1mdb.
You transfer straight to Captrader you think LHDN won't ajak you out for coffee?  As long as you paid your taxes, nothing to worry.
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Gooding Hehe... Hmm lazy go spore for this one thing... Total cost can't justify yet....

But gooding sharing anyway.

Ramjade bro what's ur method?
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It's hard to open SG bank account after 1mdb.
You transfer straight to Captrader you think LHDN won't ajak you out for coffee?  As long as you paid your taxes, nothing to worry.
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I managed to open CIMB SG quite easily though . Got FAST transfer enough right ?
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Gooding Hehe... Hmm lazy go spore for this one thing... Total cost can't justify yet....

But gooding sharing anyway.

Ramjade bro what's ur method?
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QUOTE(Krv23490 @ May 18 2019, 02:46 PM)
I managed to open CIMB SG quite easily though . Got FAST transfer enough right ?
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Yes got fast transfer enough to fund interactive broker. But max is I think SGD30k each time only.
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Sui wor... Sg xitibank can open account online?
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You open a SG Maybank/CIMB account which can do FAST Transfer. Interactive Broker’s Citibank SG account is where you’ll transfer to.

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Btw... Myr sgd transfer like that... Itu lhdn will come invite me kopi or not?
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Can’t find any laws prohibiting that, afterall it’s perfectly legal to exchange money notes with your friends and family. It’s the same mechanism as Instarem/MoneyMatch - the pool of MYR nevers leaves Malaysia and SGD never leaves Singapore
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So need travel Singapore... Ok... See when got time.... Maybank also can ya?
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So need travel Singapore... Ok... See when got time.... Maybank also can ya?
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Read the link I shared. Don't even need to go down. During  my time yes need to go down.
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liao.....

a monthly fee of S$2 will be charged if average daily balance falls below S$500 in that month.

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updated Q&A to acknowledge comrade @wt_vinci demonstrated money repatriated from Captrader -> TransferWire -> Malaysia Maybank with success

Original post
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=92533264
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QUOTE(roarus @ May 18 2019, 01:52 PM)
I'd say once you hit the RM50,000 mark, it's time to wave goodbye to StashAway and wear the big boy's pants with an international broker.

Alternatively via TradeStation, and USD denominated funds:
i. FAST to IB's SG Citibank: free - I believe honsiong has access to SG bank account
ii. Convert SGD->USD: USD2 min - convert up to ~USD33,333 before paying more
iii. 1 share of whichever rocks your boat IWDA/CSPX/VWRD: USD56.33 / USD283.28 / USD84.34
iv. Commission GBP1.5 equivalent in USD (~USD1.95) min, or 0.12% of trade value - buy up to ~USD1625 in value before paying more

The above works well for SGD2000 bi-monthly buy in.

Bonus: Step 0. MYR->SGD - we all have a few Malaysian relatives and friends working in Singapore that sends money back every month right? Strike up a win-win rate
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wah, looks like myr-sg-tradestation path really save a lot wei....

forex also save,
trading commission also save

why alex so bodo?

itu sgd->usd follow investment bank kan? must be very cheap ~ 0.1%?
and trading commission around 2 USD per trade, made it substantially lower for subsequent recurring investment.
So let's say i aim 2k USD per trade, only incur 2 USD min, and that's around <RM8500 for each investment.... gooding wei!
huat liao lo, can hantam CSPX = iShares SP500 alex favorite in GBP.

i checked tradestation international website....dia cakap...

UK stocks = 1.5GBP per trade ...SUI...WIN LIAO.....

my sxr8 RM18k kalah liao....
instarem also 0.45%...

sian....money eaten

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but downside of this move is
1) need parking S$500 in maybank SG can't touch, if not kena penalty $2 per month
2) maybank SG opening fee eat RM25 courier
3) maybank SG annual fee how much? since they provide debit card, i think they sure eat annual fee

Is it worth it? S$500 = RM1500 non-investible sum....

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wah, looks like myr-sg-tradestation path really save a lot wei....

forex also save,
trading commission also save

why alex so bodo?

itu sgd->usd follow investment bank kan? must be very cheap ~ 0.1%?
and trading commission around 2 USD per trade, made it substantially lower for subsequent recurring investment.
So let's say i aim 2k USD per trade, only incur 2 USD min, and that's around <RM8500 for each investment.... gooding wei!
huat liao lo, can hantam CSPX = iShares SP500 alex favorite in GBP.

i checked tradestation international website....dia cakap...

UK stocks = 1.5GBP per trade ...SUI...WIN LIAO.....

my sxr8 RM18k kalah liao....
instarem also 0.45%...

sian....money eaten

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but downside of this move is
1) need parking S$500 in maybank SG can't touch, if not kena penalty $2 per month
2) maybank SG opening fee eat RM25 courier
3) maybank SG annual fee how much? since they provide debit card, i think they sure eat annual fee

Is it worth it? S$500 = RM1500 non-investible sum....
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USD2 conversion process is done within Interactive Brokers - you convert at spot rate and pay 0.6bps (0.0006) of value traded or min USD2

Maybank iSavvy
i. yes you park $500
ii. I submitted forms to my local Maybank branch - they courier to Singapore for me (via DHL!)
iii. debit card is free no charge
iv. initial funding $500 can do with Instarem

CIMB SG FastSaver is another option:
i. no fall below fee, no debit card
ii. has FAST transfer which is the thing you need in this case
iii. initial funding $1000 - requirement is to do FAST transfer for initial funding $1000, but members have reported success performing CIMB MY -> CIMB SG and via Instarem
iv. high-ish interest for a Singapore account, not that you should park money too long - 1% p.a. for first $50,000, 1.5% after up to $75,000


I hold both accounts, pros of having Maybank:
i. outside the local big 3 DBS/UOB/OCBC - Maybank is top 7, is a qualified bank by MAS standard and back in Nov 2018 broke off from Maybank Berhad to form Maybank Singapore Limited
ii. if you plan to open a CDP account to trade shares with local brokers (whether paranoia of nominee account or want to attend AGM), Maybank supports EPS for shares
iii. 'teh tarik' funds every month between 2 accounts to keep from being dormant, I don't want to have to head down to Singapore just to re-activate a bank account

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QUOTE(roarus @ May 18 2019, 10:06 PM)
USD2 conversion process is done within Interactive Brokers - you convert at spot rate and pay 0.6bps (0.0006) of value traded or min USD2

Maybank iSavvy
i. yes you park $500
ii. I submitted forms to my local Maybank branch - they courier to Singapore for me (via DHL!)
iii. debit card is free no charge
iv. initial funding $500 can do with Instarem

CIMB SG FastSaver is another option:
i. no fall below fee, no debit card
ii. has FAST transfer which is the thing you need in this case
iii. initial funding $1000 - requirement is to do FAST transfer for initial funding $1000, but members have reported success performing CIMB MY -> CIMB SG and via Instarem
iv. high-ish interest for a Singapore account, not that you should park money too long - 1% p.a. for first $50,000, 1.5% after up to $75,000
I hold both accounts, pros of having Maybank:
i. outside the local big 3 DBS/UOB/OCBC - Maybank is top 7, is a qualified bank by MAS standard and back in Nov 2018 broke off from Maybank Berhad to form Maybank Singapore Limited
ii. if you plan to open a CDP account to trade shares with local brokers (whether paranoia of nominee account or want to attend AGM), Maybank supports EPS for shares
iii. 'teh tarik' funds every month between 2 accounts to keep from being dormant, I don't want to have to head down to Singapore just to re-activate a bank account
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sui ah. additional question

1) tradestation annual platform fee got? can't find it
2) I saw tradestation got macam additional charge for LSE platform, and Netherland Amsterdam also....but my Captrader din charge me these *additional fees like clearing etc.
3) your cimb sg fastsaver recommend gooding. Looks like no annual fee this one. and S$10 for one debit card.. hmm.....
4) itu maybank since got debit card, i think sure got annual fee one. Can check?
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sui ah. additional question

1) tradestation annual platform fee got? can't find it
2) I saw tradestation got macam additional charge for LSE platform, and Netherland Amsterdam also....but my Captrader din charge me these *additional fees like clearing etc.
3) your cimb sg fastsaver recommend gooding. Looks like no annual fee this one. and S$10 for one debit card.. hmm.....
4) itu maybank since got debit card, i think sure got annual fee one. Can check?
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1. No platform or inactivity fee - 0.5% stamp duty is waived for LSEETF
2. No fees under my Trade Confirmation statement, only commission
3. I didn't even activate my Maybank iSavvy debit card, therefore I did not request for a CIMB SG one
4. Confirm no annual fee for debit card

My statement comprising of:
1. SG stock SGX - SGD3.75 commission
2. US stock NYSE ARCA - USD1 commission
3. UK ETF LSEETF - USD1.91 commission (GBP1.5 equivalent)
4. SGD->USD - SGD2.72 commission (USD2 equivalent)
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alex research house

tradestation
1) itu exchange fees for Netherland Amsterdam (SXR8) costs additional EUR 0.75 per ETF trade
2) If LSE, cheaper, exchange fee w/ clearing only 16 cent GBP, kasih dia lah.

Bonus fact

alex punya captrader charges zero exchange and clearing fee when hoot SXR8, and also commission 0.1% trade value (provided that you hoot 4k EUR and above). Even cheaper than tradestation 0.12% hehe
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1. No platform or inactivity fee - 0.5% stamp duty is waived for LSEETF
2. No fees under my Trade Confirmation statement, only commission
3. I didn't even activate my Maybank iSavvy debit card, therefore I did not request for a CIMB SG one
4. Confirm no annual fee for debit card
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nice....alex bicara ongoing

itu cimb need keep min amount? can i parking S$1 and account still alive no penalty like Maybank SG?
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with many advisers we shall succeed. Bcoz of you, i can save more $$
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sui ah. additional question

1) tradestation annual platform fee got? can't find it
2) I saw tradestation got macam additional charge for LSE platform, and Netherland Amsterdam also....but my Captrader din charge me these *additional fees like clearing etc.
3) your cimb sg fastsaver recommend gooding. Looks like no annual fee this one. and S$10 for one debit card.. hmm.....
4) itu maybank since got debit card, i think sure got annual fee one. Can check?
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1) No annual platform fee.
3) Cimb card optional. No min fees. Keep zero inside also OK.
4) Maybank debit card no annual fees.

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once tradestation account online, i'll hoot CSPX LSE hehe. Now thinking want USD or GBP mode....hmm....
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power...this is really cheapest route

MYR -> tumpang kawan -> SG CIMB -> 2 USD IB rate -> GBP -> HOOT CSPX

total damage
assume kawan eat 0.1%
assume 2k USD fund transfer (0.1%)
tradestation commission (0.12%)

total damage = 0.32% WOW

If can psycho SG kawan, total cost become 0.22%.....

wah....

my instarem alone eat me 0.45%, Captrader eat 0.1%....total 0.55%.....alex white flag
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once tradestation account online, i'll hoot CSPX LSE hehe. Now thinking want USD or GBP mode....hmm....
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If you got moo, go with pure IB. Even cheaper commision.
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If you got moo, go with pure IB. Even cheaper commision.
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100k USD? apu.....now i earn min wage as per US standard....
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100k USD? apu.....now i earn min wage as per US standard....
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With tiered commision, commision only cost few cents. biggrin.gif
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best selling point for tradestation is substantially reduced subsequent fund purchase

with only less than 2 USD commission, that means 2k USD or approx RM8500 per transfer.....good


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alex research house

tradestation
1) itu exchange fees for Netherland Amsterdam (SXR8) costs additional EUR 0.75 per ETF trade
2) If LSE, cheaper, exchange fee w/ clearing only 16 cent GBP, kasih dia lah.

Bonus fact

alex punya captrader charges zero exchange and clearing fee when hoot SXR8, and also commission 0.1% trade value (provided that you hoot 4k EUR and above). Even cheaper than tradestation 0.12% hehe
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So it seems it boils down to how often you push in EUR4000. If monthly, dude go for the mother Interactive Brokers directly - you'll hit USD100k in no time and enjoy tiered commission pricing. 2,3,4 months once is probably fine - 6 months or more is probably a drag and cost of opportunity
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With tiered commision,  commision only cost few cents. biggrin.gif
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u buy for me la, then transfer share to my account.

Then i wire you ringgit....hehe
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So it seems it boils down to how often you push in EUR4000. If monthly, dude go for the mother Interactive Brokers directly - you'll hit USD100k in no time and enjoy tiered commission pricing. 2,3,4 months once is probably fine - 6 months or more is probably a drag and cost of opportunity
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sadly alex saleri only allow 4k EUR (RM18k) funding ready every 6~9 months........ while gathering RM18k, i parking at FD waiting
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so this tradestation thingy truly add values to my investing. RM8500 per wire is much more comfortable now.
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ask your advice, if i hoot CSPX (LSE SP500), which one i should go for? GBP, or USD?
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power...this is really cheapest route

MYR -> tumpang kawan -> SG CIMB -> 2 USD IB rate -> GBP -> HOOT CSPX

total damage
assume kawan eat 0.1%
assume 2k USD fund transfer (0.1%)
tradestation commission (0.12%)

total damage = 0.32% WOW

If can psycho SG kawan, total cost become 0.22%.....

wah....

my instarem alone eat me 0.45%, Captrader eat 0.1%....total 0.55%.....alex white flag
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I struck a deal with my friend at half of Instarem's rate - we pre-agree on the date and session of exchange e.g. date, morning/afternoon/evening. On that day and session I'll capture screens of:
i. Instarem - how much MYR it'll cost me to buy SGD
ii. CashChanger.co - how much MYR he'd get for that same amount of SGD (sub this for whatever money changer your friend uses)
iii. Shared Google sheet between both of us with formula to calculate based on Instarem's rate and half of the fee rate

My friend pretty cincai, as long as he's getting more than CashChanger.co he's happy enough. I offer him bonus service to key in captcha if he wants the money in ASNB too (best effort of course).
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ask your advice, if i hoot CSPX (LSE SP500), which one i should go for? GBP, or USD?
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Not much difference in this case really, volume for both are high and the price for a slice is about the same. I guess GBP will have the advantage if funding is allowed in GBP via Instarem?
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What is the annualized return of investment in SXR8 SP500 index fund?
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if all time SP500, maciam 10%? long term view la. But no guarantee ya. If enter 1999, then gg 2000. If enter 2007, then gg 2008.
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QUOTE(alexkos @ May 19 2019, 10:20 PM)
if all time SP500, maciam 10%? long term view la. But no guarantee ya. If enter 1999, then gg 2000. If enter 2007, then gg 2008.
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Old article (RIP John) - but to set expectation to 4% level even though historically it's 9-ish-close-to-10%
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/22/jack-bogle-...ext-decade.html

No one knows if this is the tail of a bull run or we have another extension 2-5 years to go
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QUOTE(alexkos @ May 19 2019, 10:20 PM)
if all time SP500, maciam 10%? long term view la. But no guarantee ya. If enter 1999, then gg 2000. If enter 2007, then gg 2008.
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QUOTE(roarus @ May 20 2019, 11:34 AM)
Old article (RIP John) - but to set expectation to 4% level even though historically it's 9-ish-close-to-10%
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/22/jack-bogle-...ext-decade.html

No one knows if this is the tail of a bull run or we have another extension 2-5 years to go
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Thank you for your reply, alexkos and roarus. rclxms.gif

The returns from ASNB FP (which is considered as low risk) is around 5.5 to 6 %. Yeah, we cannot directly perform apple-to-apple comparison, between ASNB FP and SXR8 SP500 index fund.

Then again, the annualized return of investment from SXR8 SP500 index fund should be higher, in order to justify the multiple risks we have to bear, as compared to ASNB FP.

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Thank you for your reply, alexkos and roarus.  rclxms.gif

The returns from ASNB FP (which is considered as low risk) is around 5.5 to 6 %. Yeah, we cannot directly perform apple-to-apple comparison, between ASNB FP and SXR8 SP500 index fund.

Then again, the annualized return of investment from SXR8 SP500 index fund should be higher, in order to justify the multiple risks we have to bear, as compared to ASNB FP.
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You must factor in our amanah saham 6% maybe actually 3-4% after accounting for drop in RM.
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Great - SPDR's SWRD 0.12% Total Expense Ratio vs iShares' IWDA 0.2%. Once the volume and AUM grows (which shouldn't be too long), I'll start collecting unless iShares drop their TER to compete.
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did you eye on LCWD as well? i think should be tracking same index, TER 0.12% as well, but the volume and AUM already grow compared to SWRD.

but the differences:
1) it is by Lyxor
2) it is domiciled in Luxembourg, which I'm not sure if the witholding tax with US = 15%, as well any exit tax/ capital tax applied in Luxembourg domiciled ETF

do you have any info for these?

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Jun 24 2019, 11:38 AM)
did you eye on LCWD as well? i think should be tracking same index, TER 0.12% as well, but the volume and AUM already grow compared to SWRD.

but the differences:
1) it is by Lyxor
2) it is domiciled in Luxembourg, which I'm not sure if the witholding tax with US = 15%, as well any exit tax/ capital tax applied in Luxembourg domiciled ETF

do you have any info for these?
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No, it wasn't in my radar.

Spread is similar to IWDA, and it's young so the price per slice is lower as well. Tracking error looks good too.

1) Shouldn't be an issue, AUM size looks healthy and growing and it's physical replication
2) I believe it's the same treatment as Ireland @ 15%, but do a search to confirm

Overall, not bad looking

Edit: Should've taken account spread as %
LCWD, 2 cents bid/ask spread at last done 10.62
0.02/10.62*100 = 0.1883%
TER: 0.12%

IWDA, 2 cents bid/ask spread at last done 57.98
0.02/57.98*100 = 0.0345%
TER: 0.20%

Looks like you're still dodging on TER but taking on spread hit at the moment

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alexkos what bank do you input into interactive broker as the sending bank (instarem bank) when you initiate the transfer?
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Instarem Malaysia Sdn Bhd as instructed
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Instarem Malaysia Sdn Bhd as instructed
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Not maybank/cimb/rhb?
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Not maybank/cimb/rhb?
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No oh... Instarem sent oh.... I use pbb funding instarem
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Not talking about Malaysian bank > instarem.
Talking about when you want to deposit say EUR, what is the sender bank you key into interactive broker page for sender bank (Instarem bank)
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Wa Alex kor thank you so much for the info.

still growing my money in SA, once hit my target limit i will buy this low cost index funds the DIY way.

thank you bro
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Wa Alex kor thank you so much for the info.

still growing my money in SA, once hit my target limit i will buy this low cost index funds the DIY way.

thank you bro
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Welcome bro. SA is good if ur fund is cute at the moment. Just aim for whichever boat that saves u most money.

Got any Q can ask here. Sifuz can help.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 25 2019, 11:57 PM)
Not talking about Malaysian bank > instarem.
Talking about when you want to deposit say EUR, what is the sender bank you key into interactive broker page for sender bank (Instarem bank)
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Hmm.. Later I check Xia...screenshot post here....
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Welcome bro. SA is good if ur fund is cute at the moment. Just aim for whichever boat that saves u most money.

Got any Q can ask here. Sifuz can help.
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yes, haha my fund in SA is very very cute at the moment.

will try to hussle and save as much as possible, hopefully can reach goal this year and dump in 1 lump sum to index funds.
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Alexkos,
Hi,
can comment any summary after so many posts of update?

Which one is better broker for this S&P 500 ETF?
CapTrader or TradeStation?
What is the best method (cheapest cost) to transfer the fund, for typical Malaysia and for individual with Singapore bank account (Malaysian working in Singapore).

If not mistaken, TradeStation has an inactivity fee of $50 if less than 5x transaction per year.
And need to becareful if any data that you have subcribed that may be charged for some fees.

Is all European and London have 15% witholding tax,
while US is with 30% witholding tax?

Thanks in advance for your replies.
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If not mistaken, TradeStation has an inactivity fee of $50 if less than 5x transaction per year.
And need to becareful if any data that you have subcribed that may be charged for some fees.

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interesting.....anyone can feedback?
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interesting.....anyone can feedback?
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Poems singapore is allowing payment by fast transfer now. Tat means Cimb fast saver will be able to perform transaction to poems now. Neednt to have maybank sg account anymore
https://www.poems.com.sg/payment/

Seems like gooding for parking in Index fund for S&P500 or MSCI world first. While accumulating money to buy a big lot of SP500 ETF via tradegblobal.
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Is all European and London have 15% witholding tax,
while US is with 30% witholding tax?

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Yes. Uncle Sam bully. If malaysia straight buy US shares, 30% dividend tax kena....

So cheapest for us is to buy Ireland domiciled fund, 15% je.

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Which one is better broker for this S&P 500 ETF?
CapTrader or TradeStation?

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CapTrader min 4eur or 0.1% whichever higher
Tradestation global min 1.5gbp or 0.12% whichever higher
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Say first, pls hoot sp500 only after considering your asset allocation.

Eg. 50/50 asset allocation. Means 50% hoot equity, 50% hoot fixed income.

Alex duwan see ppl here hoot too much equity. When market downturn, Fuiyo I tell you..... Just see 2008 as lesson.


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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 25 2019, 11:57 PM)
Not talking about Malaysian bank > instarem.
Talking about when you want to deposit say EUR, what is the sender bank you key into interactive broker page for sender bank (Instarem bank)
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. Kantoi work too busy almost forgot this. Wait I screenshot show u from my captrader platform.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 25 2019, 11:57 PM)
Not talking about Malaysian bank > instarem.
Talking about when you want to deposit say EUR, what is the sender bank you key into interactive broker page for sender bank (Instarem bank)
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. Kantoi work too busy almost forgot this. Wait I screenshot show u from my captrader platform.
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Hi guys, can check with you all does Sxr8 declare dividend like other spdr or voo? Because I can’t really find any dividend yield online
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QUOTE(roarus @ Jul 2 2019, 12:10 AM)
Got written response from TradeStation Global support confirming no inactivity fee when queried late Apr 2019
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From the online chat support, i was told that there will be inactivity as i mentioned.
i can share the screen shot if u guys like to see.

QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 2 2019, 01:44 PM)
CapTrader  min 4eur or 0.1% whichever higher
Tradestation global min 1.5gbp or 0.12% whichever higher
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Tradestation and Tradestation Global.. is there any difference?
Anyway, the fee thing i am asking.. Don't seem to be able to find any info online? (or i can't find it?)

From the fee u mentioned, generally if less capital, TradeStation >> CapTrader lo?

QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 2 2019, 01:45 PM)
Say first, pls hoot sp500 only after considering your asset allocation.

Eg. 50/50 asset allocation. Means 50% hoot equity, 50% hoot fixed income.

Alex duwan see ppl here hoot too much equity. When market downturn, Fuiyo I tell you..... Just see 2008 as lesson.
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thanks to u, i just get to know what is boglehead 3 fund portfolio.
Dont worry.. always DYDD right?
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QUOTE(Chounz @ Jul 3 2019, 12:51 PM)
Hi guys, can check with you all does Sxr8 declare dividend like other spdr or voo? Because I can’t really find any dividend yield online
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Sxr8 sama cspx. U can Google ishares core sp500
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QUOTE(chickenessence @ Jul 3 2019, 11:04 PM)
From the online chat support, i was told that there will be inactivity as i mentioned.
i can share the screen shot if u guys like to see.
Tradestation and Tradestation Global.. is there any difference?
Anyway, the fee thing i am asking.. Don't seem to be able to find any info online? (or i can't find it?)

From the fee u mentioned, generally if less capital, TradeStation >> CapTrader lo?
thanks to u, i just get to know what is boglehead 3 fund portfolio.
Dont worry.. always DYDD right?
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This is what I got from a rep named Oscar
user posted image

TradeStation is US market only (US domicile, with SIPC protection), TradeStation Global covers US and outside (UK domicile, regulated by FCA)

Fees, or rather broker commission I'm assuming you were referring to:
https://www.tradestation-international.com/...ng-commissions/

QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 2 2019, 01:45 PM)
Say first, pls hoot sp500 only after considering your asset allocation.

Eg. 50/50 asset allocation. Means 50% hoot equity, 50% hoot fixed income.

Alex duwan see ppl here hoot too much equity. When market downturn, Fuiyo I tell you..... Just see 2008 as lesson.
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Er, why 50/50? That's a risk profile for a person in the 50's gliding into retirement

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QUOTE(chickenessence @ Jul 3 2019, 11:04 PM)
From the online chat support, i was told that there will be inactivity as i mentioned.
i can share the screen shot if u guys like to see.
Tradestation and Tradestation Global.. is there any difference?
Anyway, the fee thing i am asking.. Don't seem to be able to find any info online? (or i can't find it?)

From the fee u mentioned, generally if less capital, TradeStation >> CapTrader lo?
thanks to u, i just get to know what is boglehead 3 fund portfolio.
Dont worry.. always DYDD right?
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From 2 email like 6 months apart, no fees.
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any comment on this?
"What is the best method (cheapest cost) to transfer the fund, for typical Malaysia and for individual with Singapore bank account (Malaysian working in Singapore)."

QUOTE(roarus @ Jul 4 2019, 12:03 AM)
This is what I got from a rep named Oscar
user posted image

TradeStation is US market only (US domicile, with SIPC protection), TradeStation Global covers US and outside (UK domicile, regulated by FCA)

Fees, or rather broker commission I'm assuming you were referring to:
https://www.tradestation-international.com/...ng-commissions/
https://www.tradestation.com/pricing/
https://www.tradestation-international.com/
Didn't notice there is a difference between Tradestation US and Global (international) rclxub.gif

QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 2 2019, 01:44 PM)
CapTrader  min 4eur or 0.1% whichever higher
Tradestation global min 1.5gbp or 0.12% whichever higher
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So generally TradeStation need about 1,250 GBP (About 6,500 MYR) can hoot already right? (0.12% of 1,250 GBP = 1.5 GBP fee)
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QUOTE(chickenessence @ Jul 4 2019, 12:49 AM)
any comment on this?
"What is the best method (cheapest cost) to transfer the fund, for typical Malaysia and for individual with Singapore bank account (Malaysian working in Singapore)."
https://www.tradestation.com/pricing/
https://www.tradestation-international.com/
Didn't notice there is a difference between Tradestation US and Global (international)  rclxub.gif
So generally TradeStation need about 1,250 GBP (About 6,500 MYR) can hoot already right? (0.12% of 1,250 GBP = 1.5 GBP fee)
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Initiate a transfer via IB via SGD. They will give you a virtual bank account. Use the details given and do FAST transfer into the virtual account provided.
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Ah roar... Hehe... I study behavioral finance. I don't want to overestimate my confidence in 2008 scenario. So 50/50 for now until I see a real recession myself.

I also got Tradestation global liao. Awaiting funding. Once approve, will upload more info.

In the mean time, huat arrrrr
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Guys, i just done funding for trade station international.
Would like to know moving forward i just use IB website or apps to trade?

Or should use back trade station website?
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Guys, i just done funding for trade station international.
Would like to know moving forward i just use IB website or apps to trade?

Or should use back trade station website?
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Ibkr
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Guys, i just done funding for trade station international.
Would like to know moving forward i just use IB website or apps to trade?

Or should use back trade station website?
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Replace the currency with your to-buy equities/ETF currency
Replace the IWDA with your to-buy equities/ETF ticker

You can trade using the IB website, IBKR mobile app, IBKR desktop software

the tradestation own app and desktop software are not favorable, not user friendly tbh rclxub.gif

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Ibkr
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thank guys.
So basically, just register through trade station, then moving forward all is through IB already.

Wow, just change place register then can enjoy the lower commission fees.

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thank guys.
So basically, just register through trade station, then moving forward all is through IB already.

Wow, just change place register then can enjoy the lower commission fees.
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Correction. You are actually paying more for using tradestation.
Reason
1. Pure IB only few cents
2. Tradestation about 2-3 dollars.
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Correction. You are actually paying more for using tradestation.
Reason
1. Pure IB only few cents
2. Tradestation about 2-3 dollars.
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But my understanding is IB need to have at least USD10 commission per month.
And trade station min commission for a share is USD 1.5.

Can explain further on this?
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QUOTE(Chounz @ Jul 10 2019, 09:23 AM)
But my understanding is IB need to have at least USD10 commission per month.
And trade station min commission for a share is USD 1.5.

Can explain further on this?
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They might have lowered the commission for US exchange, traded a counter (NYSE ARCA) in small amount back in May to cure an itch and was only charged USD1

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hehe,

big budget boy = IB
small fry = tradestation
middle fry = captrader
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They might have lowered the commission for US exchange, traded a counter (NYSE ARCA) in small amount back in May to cure an itch and was only charged USD1
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Can check with you. I just use IBKR app under TradeStation account to trade a US stock, but the commission charged is USD 1 instead of USD1.5 (TradeStation minimum fee) got any idea?
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hehe,

big budget boy = IB
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Hahah, I try using TradeStation application, seriously cannot pakai la. iB one is much more better eh
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QUOTE(Chounz @ Jul 11 2019, 12:58 AM)
Can check with you. I just use IBKR app under TradeStation account to trade a US stock, but the commission charged is USD 1 instead of USD1.5 (TradeStation minimum fee) got any idea?
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Thanks for testing out as well, which exact exchange did the trade happen? You can see this via Reports > Statements > Trade Confirmation

Perhaps they indeed did lower the rate, but have not updated the commissions table yet.
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kantoi took so long to open tradestation account. I open tradestation global account, want use their UK facility, but with USD instrument.

Money pergi to citibank NA, with funny personal account number attached just behind citibank account number.

Itu instarem bosong say can't do that, can only wire to citibank.

So now fund stuck, dunno IKBR can detect my fund or not...

already 10 days =(

inb4 GBP 1.5 per transaction or 0.12% whichever higher trap
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kantoi, why no ppl mention that tradestation global needs min $5k deposit requirement?
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 11 2019, 03:55 PM)
kantoi took so long to open tradestation account. I open tradestation global account, want use their UK facility, but with USD instrument.

Money pergi to citibank NA, with funny personal account number attached just behind citibank account number.

Itu instarem bosong say can't do that, can only wire to citibank.

So now fund stuck, dunno IKBR can detect my fund or not...

already 10 days =(

inb4 GBP 1.5 per transaction or 0.12% whichever higher trap
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Wait, you're attempting to send GBP to IB's UK Citibank, and then convert to USD? Isn't the fund you want on LSE available in GBP?

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kantoi, why no ppl mention that tradestation global needs min $5k deposit requirement?
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LSE GBP SP500 mahal oh, i buy USD version, also ireland domiciled, code name CSPX

nice, then no prob for me if min 1k $
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LSE GBP SP500 mahal oh, i buy USD version, also ireland domiciled, code name CSPX

nice, then no prob for me if min 1k $
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GBP denominated funds are expressed in pence (cents). CSP1 23,568.00 = 235.68

You can also check out VUSA (dist) as alternative
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 11 2019, 03:55 PM)
kantoi took so long to open tradestation account. I open tradestation global account, want use their UK facility, but with USD instrument.

Money pergi to citibank NA, with funny personal account number attached just behind citibank account number.

Itu instarem bosong say can't do that, can only wire to citibank.

So now fund stuck, dunno IKBR can detect my fund or not...

already 10 days =(

inb4 GBP 1.5 per transaction or 0.12% whichever higher trap
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You fund it like how you fund normal transaction.

QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 11 2019, 06:13 PM)
kantoi, why no ppl mention that tradestation global needs min $5k deposit requirement?
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Actually I said already. Think you didn't read. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(roarus @ Jul 11 2019, 02:45 PM)
Thanks for testing out as well, which exact exchange did the trade happen? You can see this via Reports > Statements > Trade Confirmation

Perhaps they indeed did lower the rate, but have not updated the commissions table yet.
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Is in US exchange market.
Based on the tradestation global table should be USD1.5, since i only purchase 10 units (should charge the minimum commission).

USD1 seem like is the minimum commission for IB.
Worry later will kena charge the IB minimum activity fee USD10 cry.gif cry.gif , because all my funding, trade also made through IB mobile app.
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 11 2019, 03:55 PM)
kantoi took so long to open tradestation account. I open tradestation global account, want use their UK facility, but with USD instrument.

Money pergi to citibank NA, with funny personal account number attached just behind citibank account number.

Itu instarem bosong say can't do that, can only wire to citibank.

So now fund stuck, dunno IKBR can detect my fund or not...

already 10 days =(

inb4 GBP 1.5 per transaction or 0.12% whichever higher trap
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you din use SG account to transfer?
that 1 instantly show in the trade account, super fast 1.
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You fund it like how you fund normal transaction.
Actually I said already. Think you didn't read.  tongue.gif
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bro can explain why you say IB is cheaper than tradestation or not?
If really cheaper I want to switch to IB leh, quite impressed with their mobile app and portal.
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bro can explain why you say IB is cheaper than tradestation or not?
If really cheaper I want to switch to IB leh, quite impressed with their mobile app and portal.
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Tradestation underneath is still IB. Only difference is Tradestation does not tiered pricing which gives IB the cheap cost of few cents per transaction.

Using pure IB will incur a monthyly fee of USD10 unless you can furfilled their criteria.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 12 2019, 05:53 PM)
Tradestation underneath is still IB. Only difference is Tradestation does not tiered pricing which gives IB the cheap cost of few cents per transaction.

Using pure IB will incur a monthyly fee of USD10 unless you can furfilled their criteria.
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Aiya, then okay la. I thought i missed out something...
quite obvious one Tradestation is still IB, even our fund deposit also to IB, login also use IB portal.
Can avoid the monthly fee of USD10 consider save a lot already.
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QUOTE(Chounz @ Jul 12 2019, 04:17 PM)
Is in US exchange market.
Based on the tradestation global table should be USD1.5, since i only purchase 10 units (should charge the minimum commission).

USD1 seem like is the minimum commission for IB.
Worry later will kena charge the IB minimum activity fee USD10  cry.gif  cry.gif , because all my funding, trade also made through IB mobile app.
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Sian, IKBR initiate refund process... Instarem transfer fail.

Why ah Tradestation global? So mafan one...

My captrader smooth.

Macam instarem dun like citibank trump with special account number....


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breaking news. captrader and tradestation global (because both of them ride on IB platform) can do internal transfer.

heeh.......report more detail later.
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summary report

tradestation global 0.12% or GBP1.5 whichever higher
captrader 0.1% or EUR4 whichever higher

For more frequent, smaller fund top-up, tradestation is preferred.


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RM8 vs RM18.....no brainer~
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RM8 vs RM18.....no brainer~
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Sian, IKBR initiate refund process... Instarem transfer fail.

Why ah Tradestation global? So mafan one...

My captrader smooth.

Macam instarem dun like citibank trump with special account number....
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Just deposit into tradestation. Then convert via IB. Case settled.
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Just deposit into tradestation. Then convert via IB. Case settled.
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Convert cost.... sad.gif
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 13 2019, 06:24 PM)
summary report

tradestation global 0.12% or GBP1.5 whichever higher
captrader 0.1% or EUR4 whichever higher

For more frequent, smaller fund top-up, tradestation is preferred.
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Can I say that from the info in your 1st post, I can choose to either open a Tradestation or captrader account?

If I hoot one lump sum amount (say RM10-20k), captrader is better. And if I start small, and top up bit by bit, Tradestation is better? (I understand that brokerage fee will be incurred every time I top up)

Just started to do some basic reading, before I start my journey and join you all biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Zegoon681111 @ Jul 14 2019, 06:12 PM)
Can I say that from the info in your 1st post, I can choose to either open a Tradestation or captrader account?

If I hoot one lump sum amount (say RM10-20k), captrader is better. And if I start small, and top up bit by bit, Tradestation is better? (I understand that brokerage fee will be incurred every time I top up)

Just started to do some basic reading, before I start my journey and join you all  biggrin.gif
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yes pal, judging from likelihood that you're going to top-up next time, tradestation global is recommended.

0.02% diff....hehe.....bogleheads memang save cost until ahma also cant recognize.

all the best. share with us your journey here.
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Further reading for serious index investor

1) john bogle - common sense of mutual fund investing
2) markiel - fooled by randomness
3) zweig - your money and your brain (on our tendency to be overconfident and swing to individual stockpicking)

Btw, part of my phd study focuses on the advantage of going indexing as a way to invest. Stay tuned =)
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 14 2019, 06:35 PM)
Further reading for serious index investor

1) john bogle - common sense of mutual fund investing
2) markiel - fooled by randomness
3) zweig - your money and your brain (on our tendency to be overconfident and swing to individual stockpicking)

Btw, part of my phd study focuses on the advantage of going indexing as a way to invest. Stay tuned =)
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Index investing have it's place but I am more inclined towards dividend growth investing.
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Index investing  have it's place but I am more inclined towards dividend growth investing.
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any dividend growth ETF recommended?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 4 2019, 06:41 AM)
Initiate a transfer via IB via SGD. They will give you a virtual bank account. Use the details given and do FAST transfer into the virtual account provided.
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What will be the fee incurred?
is it just 2USD fee, then just *** SGD x conversion rate to *** USD?
"good rate" of FX conversion from SGD to USD (to make sure if you are buying USD stock/ ETF) offered by IB.?
Is the above correct?


Can i also know what's the consideration you all have when come to choosing the following ETF:

VUSD:LN
Vanguard S&P 500 UCITS ETF

CSPX:LN
iShares Core S&P 500 UCITS ETF

SXR8:GR
iShares Core S&P 500 UCITS ETF

Thanks in advance
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any dividend growth ETF recommended?
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Newbie's reply, try this:
VHYL:LN
Vanguard FTSE All-World High Dividend Yield UCITS ETF
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Waiting for answer from sifu here too
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Newbie's reply, try this:
VHYL:LN
Vanguard FTSE All-World High Dividend Yield UCITS ETF
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Waiting for answer from sifu here too
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i wonder if there is any ETF that is high dividend and non-distributing haha cool2.gif
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any dividend growth ETF recommended?
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I don't do ETF. I invest in the companies themselves.

QUOTE(chickenessence @ Jul 14 2019, 11:18 PM)
What will be the fee incurred?
is it just 2USD fee, then just *** SGD x conversion rate to *** USD?
"good rate" of FX conversion from SGD to USD (to make sure if you are buying USD stock/ ETF) offered by  IB.?
Is the above correct?
Can i also know what's the consideration you all have when come to choosing the following ETF:

VUSD:LN
Vanguard S&P 500 UCITS ETF

CSPX:LN
iShares Core S&P 500 UCITS ETF

SXR8:GR
iShares Core S&P 500 UCITS ETF

Thanks in advance
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USD2 fee + whatever price you are converting at. IB exchange rate is spot rate (real time market price used by banks to borrow and lend each other) and cheaper than what's shown in google/XE.
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Mind u, myr to sgd via cimb fast saver is 2% commission ya. Hehe.

Sounds more like fast eater..

Belum play already lose 2%, faster than kenanga 1% growth fund.

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 16 2019, 12:09 PM)
Mind u, myr to sgd via cimb fast saver is 2% commission ya. Hehe.

Sounds more like fast eater..

Belum play already lose 2%, faster than kenanga 1% growth fund.
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instarem to ur cimb sg account.
then pay 2usd to convert SGD to usd..
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instarem to ur cimb sg account.
then pay 2usd to convert SGD to usd..
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Versus

Terus instarem myr to EUR masuk captrader.... Can jimat 2usd....so kiamsiap Alex... Haha
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Versus

Terus instarem myr to EUR masuk captrader.... Can jimat 2usd....so kiamsiap Alex... Haha
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I think you can straight convert into Eur and buy from tradestation. No need go USD route.
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I think you can straight convert into Eur and buy from tradestation. No need go USD route.
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ic....

i go myr -> usd terus hoot CSPX...... until now payment also belum remit.....16 days d....
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 16 2019, 04:24 PM)
ic....

i go myr -> usd terus hoot CSPX...... until now payment also belum remit.....16 days d....
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No need bikin susah Susah lahh.

Come SA.

16 days is way too long man
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No need bikin susah Susah lahh.

Come SA.

16 days is way too long man
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His way only 16 days. My way few hours only.
Stashaway is expensive at 0.8%p.a Not to mentioned when you sell your money, they return it in RM. No diversification at all.
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 16 2019, 04:24 PM)
ic....

i go myr -> usd terus hoot CSPX...... until now payment also belum remit.....16 days d....
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Wasn't it established previously in this or All about ETFs/ Foreign Brokers thread that you can't Instarem USD directly to IB's Citibank USA account?
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Wasn't it established previously in this or All about ETFs/ Foreign Brokers thread that you can't Instarem USD directly to IB's Citibank USA account?
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am still trying now. will report outcome.

16 days and counting cry.gif
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QUOTE(roarus @ Jul 16 2019, 05:30 PM)
Wasn't it established previously in this or All about ETFs/ Foreign Brokers thread that you can't Instarem USD directly to IB's Citibank USA account?
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His was using euro. For USD I think is first time trying.

QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 16 2019, 06:34 PM)
am still trying now. will report outcome.

16 days and counting  cry.gif
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For me transferwise USD - > Interactive broker USD no go.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 16 2019, 11:23 AM)
I don't do ETF. I invest in the companies themselves.
USD2 fee + whatever price you are converting at. IB exchange rate is spot rate (real time market price used by banks to borrow and lend each other) and cheaper than what's shown in google/XE.
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so you are more to a stock picker? just lurking here for foreign broker instead of the index / ETF investing?

QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 16 2019, 04:24 PM)
ic....

i go myr -> usd terus hoot CSPX...... until now payment also belum remit.....16 days d....
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So what happen to your money? stuck somewhere?
And not suppose to remit / transfer fund from InstaRem to Captrader / Tradestation?
I thought i read somewhere that need to be from bank with your own name?

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QUOTE(chickenessence @ Jul 16 2019, 10:16 PM)
so you are more to a stock picker? just lurking here for foreign broker instead of the index / ETF investing?
So what happen to your money? stuck somewhere?
And not suppose to remit / transfer fund from InstaRem to Captrader / Tradestation?
I thought i read somewhere that need to be from bank with your own name?
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So far never invested into ETF yet as I reaping all the dividends. Dividends gained, keep to be reinvested back so that produce more dividend. ETF dividend too pathetic.

So far from what we know
Transfering Eur via instarem works.
Transferring USD via instarem fails as in alex case.
Transferring USD using Transferwise fail as in my case.
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i am applying for the account with TradeStation.
I have to say this TradeStation support rep, Oscar Vogt which has been replying is quite cacat.
I am fed up the way they replied the email.
Always did not quote the previous email (then lost the record what was discussed), and always don't answer to the questions asked.
I don't mind to go with CapTrader because of this.

Currently i got the message from them that the IC is not accepted as there is no client's signature. Therefore need passport
Anyway, i remember seeing this, where similar issue is raised:
Lowyat topic:
All about ETFs / Foreign Brokers, Exchange traded funds, Post No. #1265


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 16 2019, 10:22 PM)
So far never invested into ETF yet as I reaping all the dividends. Dividends gained, keep to be reinvested back so that produce more dividend. ETF dividend too pathetic.

So far from what we know
Transfering Eur via instarem works.
Transferring USD via instarem fails as in alex case.
Transferring USD using Transferwise fail as in my case.
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Cool.. Thanks for the summary.
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QUOTE(chickenessence @ Jul 16 2019, 10:39 PM)
i am applying for the account with TradeStation.
I have to say this TradeStation support rep, Oscar Vogt which has been replying is quite cacat.
I am fed up the way they replied the email.
Always did not quote the previous email (then lost the record what was discussed), and always don't answer to the questions asked.
I don't mind to go with CapTrader because of this.

Currently i got the message from them that the IC is not accepted as there is no client's signature. Therefore need passport
Anyway, i remember seeing this, where similar issue is raised:
Lowyat topic:
All about ETFs / Foreign Brokers, Exchange traded funds, Post No. #1265
Cool.. Thanks for the summary.
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Perhaps when Ramjade and I applied they thought the signature was the ID holder's signature, only when more Malaysians applied they realised it was the Ketua Pengarah's signature instead laugh.gif

Anyway, the Oscar dude wasn't bad at answering my questions (answered to quotes as well!), he even called from London but too bad I was in a meeting so can't talk and he replied to my queries via email instead.
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Perhaps when Ramjade and I applied they thought the signature was the ID holder's signature, only when more Malaysians applied they realised it was the Ketua Pengarah's signature instead  laugh.gif

Anyway, the Oscar dude wasn't bad at answering my questions (answered to quotes as well!), he even called from London but too bad I was in a meeting so can't talk and he replied to my queries via email instead.
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wow, then u guys must be the first few to apply an account with TradeStation.

Any comment on the attached email, the way he replied?
For your info, the email i replied in earlier email saying that i noted on the signature requirement and i will provide passport. But he went on to reply something i didn't ask and ignore the other questions that i have asked. doh.gif

Well, lets see how the account opening goes.



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wow, then u guys must be the first few to apply an account with TradeStation.

Any comment on the attached email, the way he replied?
For your info, the email i replied in earlier email saying that i noted on the signature requirement and i will provide passport. But he went on to reply something i didn't ask and ignore the other questions that i have asked.  doh.gif

Well, lets see how the account opening goes.
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I sent my questions in a form of numbered list instead of paragraph, so he just replied directly below each.

Perhaps best if you can request for him to call you, and remember to specify time since London is 7 hours behind.
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QUOTE(roarus @ Jul 17 2019, 11:18 AM)
I sent my questions in a form of numbered list instead of paragraph, so he just replied directly below each.

Perhaps best if you can request for him to call you, and remember to specify time since London is 7 hours behind.
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Same here. Whenever contact customer service always use no. Make their life easier.

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By the way, instarem 22 days and still counting..... this is 21st century...mind you....
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What is this?
You transfer from Captrader to tradestation?
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What is this?
You transfer from Captrader to tradestation?
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Yes.
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Captrader memang IB powered.
Tradestation also.

So transfer je. Now my captrader zero balance d.
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Captrader memang IB powered.
Tradestation also.

So transfer je. Now my captrader zero balance d.
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So need to open 2 account? One with captrader one with tradestation right?
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So need to open 2 account? One with captrader one with tradestation right?
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Yes.... Once online, IB platform will recognize that and will allow internal transfer.
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accumulate through where? saving account? biggrin.gif
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accumulate through where? saving account?  biggrin.gif
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Need to go through all these steps just to get properly invested with low fees.
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QUOTE(-CoupeFanatic- @ Jul 24 2019, 09:29 AM)
no la, accumulate through StashAway. I'll move my funds out after hitting my target as 0.8% fee for the first RM30k is quite expensive in my opinion. Idk why we don't have vanguard/fidelity equivalent products that is tracking the malaysian market with low expense ratio.

Need to go through all these steps just to get properly invested with low fees.
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Hehe... Found another water fish....

I got fren say 1% is too small for them.... I terus diam.
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If Malaysian market, klci30... But 30 stock only... Heavily financial sector also, I no like.
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Sifu Alexkos, how about buying other funds like VTSAX, which is even more diversified than the S&P500. is it harder for us to buy funds like that?
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Sifu Alexkos, how about buying other funds like VTSAX, which is even more diversified than the S&P500. is it harder for us to buy funds like that?
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kantoi after 24 days instarem surrender and refund my money.

Semua salah Trump!
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Sifu Alexkos, how about buying other funds like VTSAX, which is even more diversified than the S&P500. is it harder for us to buy funds like that?
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VTSAX is the mutual fund equivalent of VTI etf. VTI in turn has VOO (S&P 500) + whole bunch of small caps. All are heavily taxed since US domiciled. Both VTI and VOO has pretty much mirror like correlation and only few ticks apart.

Consider instead VUSD the Irish cousin of VOO with discounted tax rate. Or cast a crazy wide net and cover the whole world, both developed and emerging market with VWRD.
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VTSAX is the mutual fund equivalent of VTI etf. VTI in turn has VOO (S&P 500) + whole bunch of small caps. All are heavily taxed since US domiciled. Both VTI and VOO has pretty much mirror like correlation and only few ticks apart.

Consider instead VUSD the Irish cousin of VOO with discounted tax rate. Or cast a crazy wide net and cover the whole world, both developed and emerging market with VWRD.
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VUSD is probably what i am looking for here. forgot about the 30% withholding tax by us domiciled funds.
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On another note, seedly also posted a guide on how to invest in irish domiciled s&p500

https://blog.seedly.sg/how-to-invest-in-ire...led-sp500-etfs/
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so now ayam got tradestation funding liao.... TS say i should use their platform to trade....

but can i continue to trade with IBKR? easier life for me. will kena charge more?
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initiated order to purchase CSP1 with GBP....hehe....

normally after i buy the market will drop.
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 26 2019, 10:24 AM)
initiated order to purchase CSP1 with GBP....hehe....

normally after i buy the market will drop.
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May I know roughly how long it takes to open an Instarem account?

How about the interview? Normally what will they ask?
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May I know roughly how long it takes to open an Instarem account?

How about the interview? Normally what will they ask?
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May I know roughly how long it takes to open an Instarem account?

How about the interview? Normally what will they ask?
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QUOTE(-CoupeFanatic- @ Jul 25 2019, 10:26 AM)
On another note, seedly also posted a guide on how to invest in irish domiciled s&p500

https://blog.seedly.sg/how-to-invest-in-ire...led-sp500-etfs/
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It’s an interesting read.

If I have the fund, should I hoot SXR8 only or should also spread out to other Ireland domiciled ETF as well?
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It’s an interesting read.

If I have the fund, should I hoot SXR8 only or should also spread out to other Ireland domiciled ETF as well?
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Pick one s&p500 fund domiciled in Ireland. No need to separate into different funds. All same only. Difference is expense ratio and currency.
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Can you do a screenshot of of CSPX in IB? I think i cant find it.


QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 9 2019, 04:14 PM)
Hmm... Captrader go with exchanges....

Itu swda cspx see list which exchange... Then hoot that...

Cspx if not wrong return LSE exchange which I avoid...
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Quoting on you previously.. understand u say u still avoid LSE.. can share more on this LSE stamp duty charges?

QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 26 2019, 10:24 AM)
initiated order to purchase CSP1 with GBP....hehe....

normally after i buy the market will drop.
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Whats the quote price of CSP1?
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CSP1 now 24029 pence = GBP240.29 per share
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 9 2019, 11:35 AM)
Hehe.. Alex hoot Xetra Germany exchange... So bypass London... No stamp tax

That's why SXR8 wins
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Mar 9 2019, 06:16 PM)
U r welcome... If u see lseetf... It means London.... So will kena stamp tax oh... Careful ya
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 27 2019, 11:32 PM)
CSP1 now 24029 pence = GBP240.29 per share
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Oh, didnt notice the GBp, where the small p = pence.
thanks

btw, which part in the IB mention about the currency of the stock? try to find this GBp for CSP1 but couldn't find.

And i thought u have been saying to buy CSPX... no more now?
and i couldn't find CSPX in IB

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Ic... That stamp tax I read it from Captrader platform. For Tradestation global, so far I didn't kena charge.

Anyone got better answer?
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U try lookup ishares core sp500 accumulating fund. Then u can get the ticket symbol.

Mine is SXR8 Amsterdam and CSP1 London.
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Stamp duty is waived for ETFs in good 'ol London Stock Exhange
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I’m opening my instarem account today, yay.

Between captrader and Tradestation, which one are you guys using/prefer/easier to use? (Aside from the brokerage fee difference)

Both also straight away MYR > instarem > EUR ?

thanks guys

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QUOTE(Zegoon681111 @ Jul 28 2019, 11:26 PM)
I’m opening my instarem account today, yay.

Between captrader and Tradestation, which one are you guys using/prefer/easier to use? (Aside from the brokerage fee difference)

Both also straight away MYR > instarem > EUR ?

thanks guys
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I'm using TradeStation Global. I get access to SGX as well over CapTrader with no access to SGX.

Experience should be the same if you're using Interactive Brokers's Trader Workstation, WebTrader or IBKR Mobile.

MYR -> SGD -> TSG convert to USD. Partly because I can get funds cleared into TSG from my local bank within 1 hour and the other part because I'm horny over LSE's higher trading volume.
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QUOTE(Zegoon681111 @ Jul 28 2019, 11:26 PM)
I’m opening my instarem account today, yay.

Between captrader and Tradestation, which one are you guys using/prefer/easier to use? (Aside from the brokerage fee difference)

Both also straight away MYR > instarem > EUR ?

thanks guys
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Tradestation global. Cheaper. Experience wise, same only if you login using interactive broker. About EUR part best to ask alexkos

See roarus reply below.
QUOTE(roarus @ Jul 29 2019, 04:32 PM)
I'm using TradeStation Global. I get access to SGX as well over CapTrader with no access to SGX.

Experience should be the same if you're using Interactive Brokers's Trader Workstation, WebTrader or IBKR Mobile.

MYR -> SGD -> TSG convert to USD. Partly because I can get funds cleared into TSG from my local bank within 1 hour and the other part because I'm horny over LSE's higher trading volume.
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Hey guys, new here and have a few questions relating to investing in ETFs. Hope you guys can share your insights. Thanks in advance.

1) Investing in accumulating ETFs mean the dividends are reinvested. This means we can avoid the 15% withholding tax altogether?

2) Will there be capital gains tax on disposal of the ETFs? Does investing in a Irish domiciled ETF listed on LSE versus say, German exchange make a difference from this perspective?

3) Since the underlying stocks are priced in USD, the only currency risk I am exposing myself would be USD/MYR, regardless of whatever currency the ETF is denominated in (e.g. GBP). Is this correct?
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 28 2019, 01:10 PM)
Ic... That stamp tax I read it from Captrader platform. For Tradestation global, so far I didn't kena charge.

Anyone got better answer?
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QUOTE(roarus @ Jul 28 2019, 07:41 PM)
Stamp duty is waived for ETFs in good 'ol London Stock Exhange
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Thanks.
i can see this only:
https://www.tradestation-international.com/.../exchange-fees/

Exchange Fees - Currency: EUR, GBP, USD
ETFs: Fee @ 0.45 bps of trade value or min.: USD 0.13 per Order

Clearing Fee:
All USD 0.08
All GBP 0.06


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 29 2019, 05:02 PM)
Tradestation global. Cheaper. Experience wise,  same only if you login using interactive broker. About EUR part best to ask alexkos

See roarus reply below.
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Would like to ask further on the currency exchange to USD for buying.

What is the method u guys used?
i saw this blog from other forum.
https://keykeytravels.blogspot.com/2019/07/...conversion.html

Are u guys following the method from this blog?
which as per the blog Step 2c,
to go into order ticket, search for USD.SGD., then convert accordingly.

or...using the apps where there is "convert currency".
Using the apps, Under Trade:
order ticket,
order wheel
portfolio
ibot
"convert currency".

Any advise on which way to go for?
which method is recommended?

user posted image

if the ask price is 1.37176
and i need 1,000.00 USD,
means i need 1,371.76 of SGD.. is that correct?


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QUOTE(chickenessence @ Jul 29 2019, 11:30 PM)
Thanks.
i can see this only:
https://www.tradestation-international.com/.../exchange-fees/

Exchange Fees - Currency: EUR, GBP, USD
ETFs:  Fee @ 0.45 bps of trade value  or min.: USD 0.13 per Order

Clearing Fee:
All USD 0.08
All GBP 0.06
I only got charged commission USD1.91 for my previous 2 rounds of trades ~USD1.4k. I calculated back then it was roughly equal to GBP1.5.

QUOTE(chickenessence @ Jul 29 2019, 11:30 PM)
Would like to ask further on the currency exchange to USD for buying.

What is the method u guys used?
I use Trader Workstartion (TWS), and converted via FXCONV (only available in TWS). Only difference is using IDEALPRO a virtual FX position is created and it bugs me because I'm OCD like that.

If it doesn't bug you then WebTrader/IBKR Mobile is fine to use.

Step by step for TWS:
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/119895805-post5420.html
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QUOTE(roarus @ Jul 30 2019, 12:09 AM)
I only got charged commission USD1.91 for my previous 2 rounds of trades ~USD1.4k. I calculated back then it was roughly equal to GBP1.5.
I use Trader Workstartion (TWS), and converted via FXCONV (only available in TWS). Only difference is using IDEALPRO a virtual FX position is created and it bugs me because I'm OCD like that.

If it doesn't bug you then WebTrader/IBKR Mobile is fine to use.

Step by step for TWS:
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/119895805-post5420.html
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thanks for the reply again.

i find the method in keykeytravel like getting into forex position..
i will a little more research before i proceed with the currency conversion.
I have not much idea about FXCONV, IDEALPRO, virtual FX position.. but thanks for the heads up.

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For me, I straight myr to EUR instarem then hoot sxr8... So no need convert...

If want hoot Csp1, I wire myr to gbp instarem.

IBKR inhouse conversion will charge minimum usd2.
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Can you update the first post. Step by step again.
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Hehe... Basically just swap captrader with tradestation global.

Both methods work.

Cheapest forex is instarem
Cheapest platform is Tradestation global.


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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 30 2019, 11:36 AM)
For me, I straight myr to EUR instarem then hoot sxr8... So no need convert...

If want hoot Csp1, I wire myr to gbp instarem.

IBKR inhouse conversion will charge minimum usd2.
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Hi can straight away EUR/USD instarem to tradestation global/IB account?
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Hi can straight away EUR/USD instarem to tradestation global/IB account?
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QUOTE(chickenessence @ Jul 30 2019, 10:03 AM)
thanks for the reply again.

i find the method in keykeytravel like getting into forex position..
i will a little more research before i proceed with the currency conversion.
I have not much idea about FXCONV, IDEALPRO, virtual FX position.. but thanks for the heads up.
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This should give you an idea how it would look like if you did FXCONV vs IdealPRO
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


IdealPRO is more suitable forex players, where a position is maintain to be closed easily.

Both have same conversion fee and rates, just the matter of preference. Personally I don't like seeing a FX position along with my holdings.
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QUOTE(chickenessence @ Jul 29 2019, 11:30 PM)
Thanks.
i can see this only:
https://www.tradestation-international.com/.../exchange-fees/

Exchange Fees - Currency: EUR, GBP, USD
ETFs:  Fee @ 0.45 bps of trade value   or min.: USD 0.13 per Order

Clearing Fee:
All USD 0.08
All GBP 0.06
Would like to ask further on the currency exchange to USD for buying.

What is the method u guys used?
i saw this blog from other forum.
https://keykeytravels.blogspot.com/2019/07/...conversion.html

Are u guys following the method from this blog?
which as per the blog Step 2c,
to go into order ticket, search for USD.SGD., then convert accordingly.

or...using the apps where there is "convert currency".
Using the apps, Under Trade:
order ticket,
order wheel
portfolio
ibot
"convert currency".

Any advise on which way to go for?
which method is recommended?

user posted image

if the ask price is 1.37176
and i need 1,000.00 USD,
means i need 1,371.76 of SGD.. is that correct?
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I use this meyhod
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=92207301
QUOTE(roarus @ Jul 30 2019, 01:01 PM)
This should give you an idea how it would look like if you did FXCONV vs IdealPRO
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


IdealPRO is more suitable forex players, where a position is maintain to be closed easily.

Both have same conversion fee and rates, just the matter of preference. Personally I don't like seeing a FX position along with my holdings.
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So you use FXCONV?


This post has been edited by Ramjade: Jul 30 2019, 01:15 PM
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So you use FXCONV?
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Yup, drove me up the wall the last time I accidentally used IdealPRO that I spent additional USD4 closing the position and redoing it with FXCONV
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Yup, drove me up the wall the last time I accidentally used IdealPRO that I spent additional USD4 closing the position and redoing it with FXCONV
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Any idea how to use Fxconv via web trader instead of client portal?
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As far as I know it can only be done via TWS
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 30 2019, 11:37 AM)
Hehe... Basically just swap captrader with tradestation global.

Both methods work.

Cheapest forex is instarem
Cheapest platform is Tradestation global.
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how to instarem ---> tradestation ?

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I am opening Tradestation account now.

I see there’s a section for offer code.

Is this referring to referral code?
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Hi guys, need opinion from all the seniors here.

Are you guys still buying in s&p 500?
Do you guys have faith that it will continue to go up?

I have the fund in hand now, this will be my first time investing in foreign etf, so a bit kancheong,lol

Besides from s&p 500, what other etf have you guys invested in ? Mind to share?

Thanks guys
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QUOTE(Zegoon681111 @ Aug 2 2019, 04:50 PM)
Hi guys, need opinion from all the seniors here.

Are you guys still buying in s&p 500?
Do you guys have faith that it will continue to go up?

I have the fund in hand now, this will be my first time investing in foreign etf, so a bit kancheong,lol

Besides from s&p 500, what other etf have you guys invested in ? Mind to share?

Thanks guys
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I don't do S&P500 as it forces you to sell to realise your gain. Imagine if is a bear market and you are force to sell.

I focus on dividend and dividend growth investing. Come rain or shine, money always enter my bank account. Price goes up, I sit and watch. Price drop I scoop up using my savings + dividend received. Hence generating even more money yearly.

Don't care if it beats s&p500 as long as I am not forced to sell when I don't want to sell.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 2 2019, 06:02 PM)
I don't do S&P500 as it forces you to sell to realise your gain. Imagine if is a bear market and you are force to sell.

I focus on dividend and dividend growth investing. Come rain or shine, money always enter my bank account. Price goes up,  I sit and watch. Price drop I scoop up using my savings + dividend received. Hence generating even more money yearly.

Don't care if it beats s&p500 as long as I am not forced to sell when I don't want to sell.
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Hehe.. Careful ya... Div not guaranteed rain or shine.

Yes our fren above. Do your own due diligence. Why not start with a book on index investing?
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Hehe.. Careful ya... Div not guaranteed rain or shine.

Yes our fren above. Do your own due diligence. Why not start with a book on index investing?
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 2 2019, 08:11 PM)
Correction. Reits and Dividends aristocrat. Reits forced by law to pay out. So rain or shine definitely have to pay something  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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is there a real estate dividend index fund? anyone know?
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hehe....sunreit macam yes...too bad im late to party  cry.gif

is there a real estate dividend index fund? anyone know?
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Yes. Not worth it. Better if DIY. Higher returns. Buying S&P500 is very different VS DIY reit ETF.
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Walao why keep dropping? Tipu lah!
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Walao why keep dropping? Tipu lah!
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Welcome to investing. Index investing aren't fool proof as the underlying is still stocks. So if stocks price drop, index will follow. After all, investing in index/etf means you are getting market return ma. These few days market damn bad. tongue.gif tongue.gif Good shopping spree. Reason why I don't do DCA. Keep money for time like this biggrin.gif biggrin.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 7 2019, 08:51 PM)
Welcome to investing. Index investing aren't  fool proof as the underlying is still stocks. So if stocks price drop, index will follow. After all, investing in index/etf means you are getting market return ma. These few days market damn bad. tongue.gif  tongue.gif Good shopping spree. Reason why I don't do DCA. Keep money for time like this biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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waiya, ppl die until jump floor u pour cold water  laugh.gif
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10% drop already want to jump floor? Give me a 30% drop tongue.gif tongue.gif
Mega sales cheers.gif cheers.gif rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 7 2019, 09:08 PM)
10% drop already want to jump floor? Give me a 30% drop tongue.gif  tongue.gif
Mega sales  cheers.gif  cheers.gif  rclxm9.gif  rclxm9.gif
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Hope you don't mind sharing:
Which reits or dividend stocks do you buy?
Which platform do you use?
Any tips for a Malaysian based investor?
Thank you!

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Captrader can open using ic, since tradestation now cannot? My passport mati. Thanks


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very nice article, they set the examples in the cost & fees section. though everything is theory but it shows the big picture, very much similar to what alexkos preaches.

https://www.firepathlion.com/robo-advisors-...fund-portfolio/
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Hope you don't mind sharing:
Which reits or dividend stocks do you buy?
Which platform do you use?
Any tips for a Malaysian based investor?
Thank you!
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CKI infrastructure, GA pack, ICBC
Cromwell EUR reit
I got so many more to buy but no money.
Tradestation global but login using Interacrive broker?

What tip you want? I don't give buy or sell tip. I buy and hold. Sell if fundamental changes.
My tip keep your cost as low as possible especially if you are like me, poor fag. Be patient. Keep money. Avoid FOMO. Rising DPU does not lie. If you FOMO, you will never have money to buy.

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hehe...want tip kah?

sell on top, buy at bottom.

easier said than done.

true story =)
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 8 2019, 04:12 PM)
CKI infrastructure, GA pack,  ICBC
Cromwell EUR reit
I got so many more to buy but no money.
Tradestation global but login using Interacrive broker?

What tip you want? I don't give buy or sell tip. I buy and hold. Sell if fundamental changes.
My tip keep your cost as low as possible especially if you are like me, poor fag. Be patient. Keep money. Avoid FOMO. Rising DPU does not lie. If you FOMO,  you will never have money to buy.
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Thank you. Tips as in how Malaysians can invest in SG reits for example

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hehe...want tip kah?

sell on top, buy at bottom.

easier said than done.

true story =)
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Nope, not those lol. Everyone would be rich if they can predict tops and bottoms

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Thank you. Tips as in how Malaysians can invest in SG reits for example
Nope, not those lol. Everyone would be rich if they can predict tops and bottoms
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If you use tradestation global, just transfer SGD into their SG virtual bank account.
I have SG bank account so just do transfer like IBFT.

Not sure if Interacrive broker receive transfer from 3rd party like instarem.

If you don't want to open Tradestation global, can go with FSM SG. But that severely limit you to only SG and HK market compare to worldwide with Tradestation global (interactive broker)

You can do it using Malaysian broker also but be prepared to pay higher cost (higher commission, dividend fees, quarterly fee, markup exchange rate)

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If you use tradestation global,  just transfer SGD into their SG virtual bank account.
I have SG bank account so just do transfer like IBFT.

Not sure if Interacrive broker receive transfer from 3rd party like instarem.

If you don't want to open Tradestation global,  can go with FSM SG. But that severely limit you to only SG and HK market compare to worldwide with Tradestation global (interactive broker)

You can do it using Malaysian broker also but be prepared to pay higher cost (higher commission,  dividend fees, quarterly fee,  markup exchange rate)
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Thanks. Any tips to open a SG bank account if not working in SG? I recently opened a USBank account and just found out the ThinkOrSwim broker charges USD25 for withdrawal.

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Itu cimb fast saver sg try that. No need go sg open
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Thanks. Any tips to open a SG bank accoount if not working in SG? I recently opened a USBank account and just found out the ThinkOrSwim broker charges USD25 for withdrawal.
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1) Open a CIMB MY account (skip if u already have)
2) Open a SG FastSaver account
3) Transfer SG1,000 from ur another bank acc in SG (must be own account) or CIMB Click MY (TT) smile.gif
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Thanks. Any tips to open a SG bank account if not working in SG? I recently opened a USBank account and just found out the ThinkOrSwim broker charges USD25 for withdrawal.
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How/where you open US bank account?

You wanna now open SG bank account to avoid ToS usd25 withdrawal fee?
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How/where you open US bank account?

You wanna now open SG bank account to avoid ToS usd25 withdrawal fee?
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Transferwise borderless account.
- IB doesn't accept money from transferwise (USD)
- not sure about sending to tranafwise

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Transferwise borderless account.
- IB doesn't accept money from transferwise (USD)
- not sure about sending to tranafwise
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Thanks for answering. I still blur to his intention, as I recall ToS charges $25 for usd withdrawal only, to any outside account. So if he has US bank then no reason for SG bank. AFAIK ppl open SG account so as to myr-sgd-usd... so the ToS $25 is probably a red herring

Also USBank is a thing...

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Thanks for answering.  I still blur to his intention, as I recall ToS charges $25 for usd withdrawal only, to any outside account. So if he has US bank then no reason for SG bank. AFAIK ppl open SG account so as to myr-sgd-usd... so the ToS $25 is probably a red herring

Also USBank is a thing...

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To open US bank account you need to be on US soil and is a must to have Social Security Number.
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To open US bank account you need to be on US soil and is a must to have Social Security Number.
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Yeah... that's why I'm curious what's he thinking
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Aug 10 2019, 08:48 AM)
Thanks for answering.  I still blur to his intention, as I recall ToS charges $25 for usd withdrawal only, to any outside account. So if he has US bank then no reason for SG bank. AFAIK ppl open SG account so as to myr-sgd-usd... so the ToS $25 is probably a red herring

Also USBank is a thing...

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I originally thought withdrawal from ToS to US bank account is free, then use transferwise or instarem to transfer back to Malaysia OR from Malaysia transfer to US bank account and deposit to ToS. SG is purely to mimic ramjade's investment strategy.
P.s. I've never used instarem or transferwise yet

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I originally thought withdrawal from ToS to US bank account is free, then use transferwise or instarem to transfer back to Malaysia OR from Malaysia transfer to US bank account and deposit to ToS. SG is purely to mimic ramjade's investment strategy.
P.s. I've never used instarem or transferwise yet
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SG is my main port. I convert to RM-> SGD. From there I convert to the SGD into whatever currency I need.

My US bank account (transferwise) is to received cashback from shopping on US website.
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QUOTE(Sumofwhich @ Aug 10 2019, 12:16 PM)
I originally thought withdrawal from ToS to US bank account is free, then use transferwise or instarem to transfer back to Malaysia OR from Malaysia transfer to US bank account and deposit to ToS. SG is purely to mimic ramjade's investment strategy.
P.s. I've never used instarem or transferwise yet
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Noted. Maybe cheaper to open say a tradestation account, buy shares in ToS and xfer it out to tradestation, sell it and then free withdrawal. Worth checking out. Was told ToS got good tools for options but higher fees everything.

You ald got a real US bank account then imho SG account probably not necessary.

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Noted. Maybe cheaper to open say a tradestation account, buy shares in ToS and xfer it out to tradestation, sell it and then free withdrawal. Worth checking out. Was told ToS got good tools for options but higher fees everything.
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When you transfer, you need to pay the current holding broker some transfer fee.

So if you want to buy, pick a broker and use that broker to buy. Don't ever transfer.
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When you transfer,  you need to pay the current holding broker some transfer fee.

So if you want to buy,  pick a broker and use that broker to buy. Don't ever transfer.
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Yup. If he ald got funds in ToS, got to work out the fees and risks of doing the share transfer.

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I see, thanks for the input. Yes i use ToS mainly for selling covered calls or cash secured puts. Fees are high even with a discounted rate (some guru) and I'm starting to look for other platforms which allow options trading.
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 26 2019, 10:24 AM)
initiated order to purchase CSP1 with GBP....hehe....

normally after i buy the market will drop.
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CSP1 now 24029 pence = GBP240.29 per share
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U try lookup ishares core sp500 accumulating fund. Then u can get the ticket symbol.

Mine is SXR8 Amsterdam and CSP1 London.
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I see u have been mentioning GBP currency based S&P 500 ETFs, instead of USD based..
Are u taking into consideration of currency?

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As we can see GBP is kinda cheap.. but how is the future prospect.

The next time u guys are withdrawing the money, need to go thru Singapore bank account?
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Hi guys

I’ve funded my TS account via IB.

I’ve received email from TS to download TWS etc.

1. Can I just ignore all those and straight away log in from IB’s website and proceed?

2. from IB’s website, I just search for SXR8 and proceed?
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Hi guys

I’ve funded my TS account via IB.

I’ve received email from TS to download TWS etc.

1. Can I just ignore all those and straight away log in from IB’s website and proceed?

2. from IB’s website, I just search for SXR8 and proceed?
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Yes. Don't need TWS.
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Hi guys, I’m trying to submit a buy order.

When I clicked proceed, it says my order exceeds the percentage constraint of 3%, then its cancelled.

May I know what does it mean?
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Hi guys, I’m trying to submit a buy order.

When I clicked proceed, it says my order exceeds the percentage constraint of 3%, then its cancelled.

May I know what does it mean?
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Buy je. If I'm not mistaken. This index fund so big that it is virtually impossible to get a strange match beyond current bid/ask.

If u really scare, ask someone the market price of that fund, then hoot 1% higher market to secure your shares.
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Buy je. If I'm not mistaken. This index fund so big that it is virtually impossible to get a strange match beyond current bid/ask.

If u really scare, ask someone the market price of that fund, then hoot 1% higher market to secure your shares.
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Yesterday I tried several times, but at the end it automatically cancelled by itself.

This is my first time buying, so need some guidance smile.gif

Current the price is around EUR260.

Can I submit a lower price, say EUR255?

or is it advisable to submit a higher price, like you say 10% higher, ie EUR280?

Thank you so much.
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Yesterday I tried several times, but at the end it automatically cancelled by itself.

This is my first time buying, so need some guidance  smile.gif

Current the price is around EUR260.

Can I submit a lower price, say EUR255?

or is it advisable to submit a higher price, like you say 10% higher, ie EUR280?

Thank you so much.
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looks like a default protection setting so ppl don't overpay...try look for it at order preset settings or something...you should be able to change or disable it...it's a precautionary warning so you should be able to ignore it if you are fast enough...

you can buy at current seller's price using "market" order

you can buy at lower price using "limit" order

on high liquidity stocks/etfs there is no need to set higher prices...just let ppl sell to your order

on low liquidity and you kan cheong wanna buy...you can set higher...really what it is doing is buying market order up to your higher price and remaining unfilled units are left as a limit order waiting to be filled

you can also buy at higher price using a "stop" order, which means buy only when prices go up to the higher price.

like alexkos bro said...if you hoot 1% higher, then should be no problem since it's below the 3%...

suggests you use the demo/paper trading to get a hang of the system, also YT... smile.gif

good luck

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QUOTE(Zegoon681111 @ Aug 20 2019, 09:37 PM)
Yesterday I tried several times, but at the end it automatically cancelled by itself.

This is my first time buying, so need some guidance  smile.gif

Current the price is around EUR260.

Can I submit a lower price, say EUR255?

or is it advisable to submit a higher price, like you say 10% higher, ie EUR280?

Thank you so much.
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Assuming you're buying and holding. Safest way without live data would be:-
1. Wait about 1 hour from LSE FSX opening, to allow things to settle down after the initial opening institution trades
2. Checkout CSPX SXR8 last done price from google.com/finance
3. Put a limit order with the last done price +1 cent (e.g. last done 258.43, you'll bid 258.44)

I do get that 3% and non live data warning too and just choose to accept it every time

Update: Corrected LSE -> FSX (Frankfurt Stock Exchange) and CSPX -> SXR8

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Thanks guys for all the tips
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Hi all,

Does this method enable us to purchase stocks on the NYSE, or it is solely for ETFs?

Thanks.
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Hi all,

Does this method enable us to purchase stocks on the NYSE, or it is solely for ETFs?

Thanks.
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Does this method enable us to purchase stocks on the NYSE, or it is solely for ETFs?

Thanks.
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Can.
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Does this method enable us to purchase stocks on the NYSE, or it is solely for ETFs?

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Both stocks and ETF can be purchased, here's a full list of products you can buy and the fees
CapTrader: https://www.captrader.com/en/account/commissions/

TradeStation Global: https://www.tradestation-international.com/...ng-commissions/
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Hi Sifu,

I am new to ETF and all these stuff you mention here. So I am willing to start and learn from bottom up.

I have my etrade account (US) from previously company and still active.
I have some fund there and would like to invest. I am not good in selecting which company to invest, how, when to buy and sale and etc.

So I looking for something not that risky. I know investing have some of it risk. I am looking to minimize that.

I read that this forum here have many sifu investing in ETF when the best way to avoid high fees+commission+exchange.

Since I am from Penang, Malaysia. What is the best way for a dummy like me to start with?

Any ABC steps?
eg.
1) open an account.. which is the best one to open and with whom?
2) what is the best way to transfer fund into it n USD or GBP with the minimal exchange rate tax?
3) what is the fund to invest in.. eg. monthly minimal transaction fee and etc?
4) any idea when to sell as well in term to avoid the any downturn ... I mean cut loss strategy...


I read about kristal.ai from Singapore which focus on ETF with no transaction fee, no mgmt fee. They only charge 0.007 bps for the transaction other thing which is under USD50K is free. Anyone heard of it?

Thanks Sifu(s).




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QUOTE(niceguypenang @ Aug 24 2019, 05:25 PM)
Hi Sifu,

I am new to ETF and all these stuff you mention here. So I am willing to start and learn from bottom up.

I have my etrade account (US) from previously company and still active.
I have some fund there and would like to invest. I am not good in selecting which company to invest, how, when to buy and sale and etc.

So I looking for something not that risky. I know investing have some of it risk. I am looking to minimize that.

I read that this forum here have many sifu investing in ETF when the best way to avoid high fees+commission+exchange.

Since I am from Penang, Malaysia. What is the best way for a dummy like me to start with?

Any ABC steps?
eg.
1) open an account.. which is the best one to open and with whom?
2) what is the best way to transfer fund into it n USD or GBP with the minimal exchange rate tax?
3) what is the fund to invest in.. eg. monthly minimal transaction fee and etc?
4) any idea when to sell as well in term to avoid the any downturn ... I mean cut loss strategy...
I read about kristal.ai from Singapore which focus on ETF with no transaction fee, no mgmt fee. They only charge 0.007 bps for the transaction other thing which is under USD50K is free. Anyone heard of it?

Thanks Sifu(s).
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Your ABC soup is on the first post ya.
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Hi, I wonder using Maybank global trade account able to trade US ETF? Any specific reason to go for tradestation? Due to lower commission? Thanks
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Hi, I wonder using Maybank global trade account able to trade US ETF? Any specific reason to go for tradestation? Due to lower commission? Thanks
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Yes lower fees. More choices. Mbb got selective exchanges only. But if you very infrequent trade, maybe easier and don't have to worry about additional estate planning.

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Yes lower fees. More choices. Mbb got selective exchanges only. But if you very infrequent trade, maybe easier and don't have to worry about additional estate planning.
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I see. If we use Maybank global trade then dont need to go through the hassle to transfer money to sg and transfer back right?
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is it cheaper if we open ameritrade account in singapore and but the index fund?
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I see. If we use Maybank global trade then dont need to go through the hassle to transfer money to sg and transfer back right?
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RM to USD is done in house by MBB using their expensive bank rates.

I must backtrack a bit let the stock ppl answer, and for you to double check with mbb agent. My experience only with mbb investment bank doing futures trading.
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is it cheaper if we open ameritrade account in singapore and but the index fund?
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More expensive. TDAMERITRADE can only hoot on US exchanges... so 30% withholding tax, and higher commissions. Also withdrawal fee $25 vs $0.

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I see. If we use Maybank global trade then dont need to go through the hassle to transfer money to sg and transfer back right?
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Convert at in house exchange rate as mentioned by dwRK (more expensive by about 3%)
Higher commision charged per transaction. Say (USD10 vs USD3)
- I am not sure how much maybank charges.
X% of dividend fees to be paid to maybank
Possible quarterly platform charges.

If you feel like paying them all the above charges, by all means continue to use them.

A little hassle to by going the SG route to save lots of money in the long run. But worth it in the future.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Aug 25 2019, 02:05 PM)
Convert at in house exchange rate as mentioned by dwRK (more expensive by about 3%)
Higher commision charged per transaction. Say (USD10 vs USD3)
- I am not sure how much maybank charges.
X% of dividend fees to be paid to maybank
Possible quarterly platform charges.

If you feel like paying them all the above charges, by all means continue to use them. A little hassle to save lots of money in the long run.
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Understand now. Thank you all the sifu for the useful insights!
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More expensive. TDAMERITRADE can only hoot on US exchanges... so 30% withholding tax, and higher commissions. Also withdrawal fee $25 vs $0.
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TDAMERITRADE only $7 commission i think. so we use Instarem there will be no 30% withholding tax is it?
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TDAMERITRADE only $7 commission i think. so we use Instarem there will be no 30% withholding tax is it?
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US gov tax you 30% for dividend generated on US soil.

Ppl hoot Irish domiciled US based etf because Ireland got tax treaty with US, so pay only 15% tax.

TDAMERITRADE is US exchanges only...so ppl go, example Tradestation Global to buy Irish domiciled etfs that's traded on German exchange... also tradestation fees are cheaper

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Aug 25 2019, 02:40 PM)
US gov tax you 30% for dividend generated on US soil.

Ppl hoot Irish domiciled US based etf because Ireland got tax treaty with US, so pay only 15% tax.

TDAMERITRADE is US exchanges only...so ppl go, example Tradestation Global to buy Irish domiciled etfs that's traded on German exchange... also tradestation fees are cheaper
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I see, thanks for the explanation. You all very pro on all these details
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Your ABC soup is on the first post ya.
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alex, you have move to tradestation and yr first page is still capetrader. .

i just want to know which the trading account that should be open generally?
if tradestation..... what are the criteria? do i need to travel to kl?

as for fund transfer from Malaysia bank to eg. using cimb babk to tradestation, what is best method to avoid high fees and commission?

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alex, you have move to tradestation and yr first page is still capetrader. .

i just want to know which the trading account that should be open generally?
if tradestation..... what are the criteria? do i need to travel to kl?

as for fund transfer from Malaysia bank to eg. using cimb babk to tradestation, what is best method to avoid high fees and commission?

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Depends on which market you want to buy. Read back a few page about why Captrader is cheaper than tradestation and why tradestation is cheaper than Captrader.

Cash. Do not use margin unless you are OK with borrowing money and invest.
There's 2 tradestation, tradestation and tradestation global. If you want the Whitelabels of Interactive broker use tradestation global. Fnd it with USD5000. That's the criteria. Travel to KL only if you want an Instarem account (they only service Klang valley. Not sure if they service Penang or JB.

You will find many problems using Malaysians banks to transfer to the virtual bank account no given by interactive broker. Main reason is interactive broker deals with Forex. Since Malaysians govt doesn't like forex so most Malaysians banks don't let you deal with interactive broker.

Cheapest options is direct instarem > Interactive broker. Apparently there are some currency you can't direct Instarem. For me I use the following method Malaysian banks > Instarem > SG banks > FAST tranafer (IBFT) to Interacrive broker virtual bank account in SGD > convert to whatever currency I want using interactive broker own exchange (at spot rate - cheaper than money changer at cost of USD2/conversion)

A little bit of inconvenience to save on those pesky fees for long term. SG banks not problematic when come with dealing with interactive broker unlike Malaysian banks.

Hope this answer your questions.

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Depends on which market you want to buy. Read back a few page about why Captrader is cheaper than tradestation and why tradestation is cheaper than Captrader.

Cash. Do not use margin unless you are OK with borrowing money and invest.
There's 2 tradestation, tradestation and tradestation global. If you want the Whitelabels of Interactive broker use tradestation global. Fnd it with USD5000. That's the criteria. Travel to KL only if you want an Instarem account (they only service Klang valley. Not sure if they service Penang or JB.

You will find many problems using Malaysians banks to transfer to the virtual bank account no given by interactive broker. Main reason is interactive broker deals with Forex. Since Malaysians govt doesn't like forex so most Malaysians banks don't let you deal with interactive broker.

Cheapest options is direct instarem > Interactive broker. Apparently there are some currency you can't direct Instarem. For me I use the following method Malaysian banks > Instarem > SG banks > FAST tranafer (IBFT)  to Interacrive broker virtual bank account in SGD > convert to whatever currency I want using interactive broker own exchange (at spot rate -  cheaper than money changer at cost of USD2/conversion)

A little bit of inconvenience to save on those pesky fees for long term. SG banks not problematic when come with dealing with interactive broker unlike Malaysian banks.

Hope this answer your questions.
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Thank you very much for long explaination. Greatly appreciated.

So basically I need the following

1. open instrarem account for malaysia.
2. open Singapore bank account eg maybank or cimb?
3. open tradestation account with IB... which is the right website ? so do we need tradestation global?

If eg. CIMB Malaysia to CIMB Singapore, money transfer I assume the exchange rate and fee is higher, right?
So instrarem is to be use to save cost.

Yup I am from Penang.. instrarem in KL only.
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Thank you very much for long explaination. Greatly appreciated.

So basically I need the following

1. open instrarem account for malaysia.
2. open Singapore bank account eg maybank or cimb?
3. open tradestation account with IB... which is the right website ? so do we need tradestation global?

If eg. CIMB Malaysia to CIMB Singapore, money transfer I assume the exchange rate and fee is higher, right?
So instrarem is to be use to save cost.

Yup I am from Penang.. instrarem in KL only.
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Yes. If you don't want to open SG bank account, can only use instarem for EUR. IB doesn't accept USD from instarem. Later when you want to sell, maybe costly send money back from interactive broker > Malaysia.

Take a 3 days leave and go down to KL to open an account with instarem. Yes to save significant money. Avoid USING any Malaysian banks to transfer money. Cimb SG - > Cimb MY as rates not bad but not Cimb MY - > Cimb SG.
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Yes. If you don't want to open SG bank account, can only use instarem for EUR. IB doesn't accept USD from instarem. Later when you want to sell, maybe costly send money back from interactive broker > Malaysia.

Take a 3 days leave and go down to KL to open an account with instarem. Yes to save significant money. Avoid USING any Malaysian banks to transfer money. Cimb SG - > Cimb MY as rates not bad but not Cimb MY - > Cimb SG.
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Thanks for advice. what is procedure to get instrarem sign up?
If I apply online which address should i fill up? I don't have KL address.
Could I apply online only aetup a day to travel to kl for interview?
Usually what they will ask?
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sry bang, so many work haha...

updated first post

captrader and tradestation global are interchangeable in this case.

If strictly say cheapest, I concede that TS Global is cheapest =)

updated Q&A. Just substitute all captrader thingy with TradeStation Global will do.

Protip: Captrader and TS Global both use IB as platform too =)
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QUOTE(niceguypenang @ Aug 26 2019, 07:12 PM)
Thanks for advice. what is procedure to get instrarem sign up?
If I apply online which address should i fill up? I don't have KL address.
Could I apply online only aetup a day to travel to kl for interview?
Usually what they will ask?
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Give Instarem a call, when they did my KYC last year I recall the rep telling me they can do KYC for some cities out of KL
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Thanks for advice. what is procedure to get instrarem sign up?
If I apply online which address should i fill up? I don't have KL address.
Could I apply online only aetup a day to travel to kl for interview?
Usually what they will ask?
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Sign up online. You don't need KL address. Then for meeting with instarem part, do as what alexkos did. Meet them at KL central, then went back to perak I think. Tell them where you want to meet them. Their office? KL Sentral? Some shopping mall in KL? Your pick. You pick the place, date and time.

Up to you. One day enough? Penang to KL is not near. How many hours you need to travel down to KL? They operate during office hours only. If you settle everything already with them, how are you going to go back? Can you work the next day? Won't you be tired with the travelling? If one day enough for you then so be it.

For me I email/chat with them. They don't support east coast state so no choice need to meet them in Klang Valley.

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Is post #1 the updated cheapest route as of 10/10/2019?
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Is post #1 the updated cheapest route as of 10/10/2019?
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Ya, unless u found a better one
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Anyone knows if it's cheaper/possible to fund accounts using Big Pay?
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Anyone knows if it's cheaper/possible to fund accounts using Big Pay?
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i dont think thats possible, you need to fund TradeStation/Captrader using SGD, from an account in your name.

Bigpay is in MYR
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i dont think thats possible, you need to fund TradeStation/Captrader using SGD, from an account in your name.

Bigpay is in MYR
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BigPay allows transfers to international banks in few currencies including SGD.
But I haven't tried it so I'm curious if anyone has done it before and whether it's cheaper.
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BigPay allows transfers to international banks in few currencies including SGD.
But I haven't tried it so I'm curious if anyone has done it before and whether it's cheaper.
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But definitely won't be in your name. IB is very particular that the originating bank account must be in your name.

So far only leeway is for EUR.
People said BigPay is more expensive than instarem.
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Hmm macam yes... Come let's try.... One of us burn some money testing hehe... If cheapest then gooding
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so anyone tried BigPay to fund the account?
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I checked bigpay's mastercard's fx rates...looks very competitive and zero fees...

Someone please just do it ... biggrin.gif
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I checked bigpay's mastercard's fx rates...looks very competitive and zero fees...

Someone please just do it ... biggrin.gif
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haha no one dare leh, not sure will the funds be transferred under your name or BigPay company name
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haha no one dare leh, not sure will the funds be transferred under your name or BigPay company name
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Ya. Can ask CS. But should be quite safe... if reject just wait for refund... just have to make sure no rejection fees
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I haven't opened Singaporean bank account or TradeStation yet so cannot try. Anyone who tried, update us haha.

Maybe try with small amount like RM100 and see
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To fund $1000 today...

Transferwise, RM 4210
Instarem, RM 4203
Bigpay, RM 4190



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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 18 2019, 12:53 PM)
To fund $1000 today...

Transferwise, RM 4210
Instarem, RM 4203
Bigpay, RM 4190
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wah bigpay usd/myr pair spread so low ah? dunno what they earn
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wah bigpay usd/myr pair spread so low ah? dunno what they earn
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Now is early phase market penetration... later surely will charge
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Now is early phase market penetration... later surely will charge
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But confirm it works is it?
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BigPay got option for USD transfer?

I can only see Philippines (PHP), Indonesia (IDR), Singapore (SGD) and Thailand (THB)
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IKBR will recognize receipt or not?
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Actually Ibkr doesn't accept funding via debit / credit card... so bigpay is no go

But many tier 2 brokers do...
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BigPay got option for USD transfer?

I can only see Philippines (PHP), Indonesia (IDR), Singapore (SGD) and Thailand (THB)
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It's under mastercard...can spend anywhere

But yeah...transfer of funds they list only those

So... myr to bigpay... bigpay to sgd account... sgd account to ibkr... should be doable

Checked for sgd 1000... bigpay still cheaper. Btw need to check for different amounts... some fintech got tiered fees

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user posted image

Etf 0.09% commission
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Any etoro ppl here?...

user posted image

Etf 0.09% commission
US stocks 0% commission
Withdrawal fee $25
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Non UK & Aus residents get an account with eToro's entity domiciled in Cyprus. CySec has very weak regulation, home to many dodgy forex and options brokers. Be warned
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Non UK & Aus residents get an account with eToro's entity domiciled in Cyprus. CySec has very weak regulation, home to many dodgy forex and options brokers. Be warned
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it's etoro.. what did you expect lol
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Non UK & Aus residents get an account with eToro's entity domiciled in Cyprus. CySec has very weak regulation, home to many dodgy forex and options brokers. Be warned
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I think It's more legit than many others lah... at least they pass muster UK & Australia... a lot of companies are incorporated in tax free heavens for obvious reasons

Anyways... Tier 1 brokers are obviously 1st choice
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Errr. Guys. How to open Singaporean bank account in Malaysia again? I remember reading it somewhere but can't find.

I remember got Maybank and CIMB options. Anyone know which post?
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Cimb fastsaver
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Errr. Guys. How to open Singaporean bank account in Malaysia again? I remember reading it somewhere but can't find.

I remember got Maybank and CIMB options. Anyone know which post?
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Opening a Bank Account in SG

but summary -> CIMB Fast Saver
Maybank iSavvy
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Bacalah “你能吗" in the attached pdf. Good luck!

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so US total bond market index fund is replaced by Amanah saham??

is Amanah Saham better than bond market index?
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is etoro better than ibkr?
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so US total bond market index fund is replaced by Amanah saham??

is Amanah Saham better than bond market index?
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Can try ambank bond fund also. Asnb is quite unique for Malaysian. U won't lose principal in Asnb fixed price, that fulfills one major point of bond (security)
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Can try ambank bond fund also. Asnb is quite unique for Malaysian. U won't lose principal in Asnb fixed price, that fulfills one major point of bond (security)
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but bond prices can go up in value, ASNB cannot. sad.gif

so the potential upside for bonds is higher, no? during recessions when stocks go down, bond prices go up. But ASNB doesn't, dividend might actually go down.
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QUOTE(moosset @ Oct 30 2019, 07:02 PM)
but bond prices can go up in value, ASNB cannot. sad.gif

so the potential upside for bonds is higher, no? during recessions when stocks go down, bond prices go up. But ASNB doesn't, dividend might actually go down.
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Ya... No choice... Maresia asnb by nature is purely saham... So if want strict bond fund, can buy from fundsupermart also... But their bond fund service charge quite pricy, I no like
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is etoro better than ibkr?
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Imho no

QUOTE(moosset @ Oct 30 2019, 07:02 PM)
but bond prices can go up in value, ASNB cannot. sad.gif

so the potential upside for bonds is higher, no? during recessions when stocks go down, bond prices go up. But ASNB doesn't, dividend might actually go down.
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In recession...US treasuries bond goes up...most of the chapalang bond funds crash also but not as bad. Bonds are not equal...
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so the potential upside for bonds is higher, no? during recessions when stocks go down, bond prices go up. But ASNB doesn't, dividend might actually go down.
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Bond prices skyrocket near recession or better worded as 'potential recession' because it is deemed as a safer asset.
Most stocks can go bankrupt. Even index like S&P 500 is not spared during recession and can drop >5% in a day.

So, investors flock to bonds which give them a almost 'guaranteed' return although it's low 3%~5% p.a. depending on the bonds.
This 3%~5% p.a. positive return to them is better than losing up to 15%~40% in a recession.

When demand for bonds go up, price of bonds will go up too.
As price of bonds go up, bond yield (coupon/bond price) go down.
Once recession is over or investors think it's over, they will sell bonds and bond price will go down.

If you're a contrarian investor (an investor that goes against the crowd), you will sell bonds and buy stocks or index whenever there is a 'discount'.
The ordinary common investor is afraid and will liquidate stocks and buy bonds nearing recession.

Bond prices change mostly due to interest rates too. By the way, the formula for market value of bond (MVd) is:
user posted image

If central bank thinks recession is coming, they lower interest rates.
Everything is constant except bond holder's rate of return. When interest rate drop, investors can borrow cheaper hence, kd.BT drops.
When kd.BT drops, MVd.

This is affected by the bond maturity date, n. Longer maturity date means the impact for every 1% change in interest rate is greater.
E.g. if interest rate goes up from 2% to 3%, a bond with 10 year maturity will drop more than a bond with 2 year maturity.

On the other hand, bond prices go down during economic boom because the central bank wants to control inflation by increasing interest rates.

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Can try ambank bond fund also. Asnb is quite unique for Malaysian. U won't lose principal in Asnb fixed price, that fulfills one major point of bond (security)
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asnb & epf... gov ponzi biggrin.gif
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You may be right, the probability of it is certainly there. But most of us would like to think the opposite way biggrin.gif
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there are so many S&P500 ETF domiciled in Ireland.

Why TS chose that one specifically?
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there are so many S&P500 ETF domiciled in Ireland.

Why TS chose that one specifically?
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there are so many S&P500 ETF domiciled in Ireland.

Why TS chose that one specifically?
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More concise answer - decision would be depending on:
i. How much one would periodically like to invest (CapTrader vs TradeStation Global decision)
ii. If one readily holds EUR/GBP/USD currency and can transfer over (EUR/GBP/USD denominated fund decision)
iii. If one believes S&P500 will continue to outperform others like Nikkei and Euro indexes (just throwing a curveball)
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Wrong thread

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QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 5 2019, 10:39 AM)
More concise answer - decision would be depending on:
i. How much one would periodically like to invest (CapTrader vs TradeStation Global decision)
ii. If one readily holds EUR/GBP/USD currency and can transfer over (EUR/GBP/USD denominated fund decision)
iii. If one believes S&P500 will continue to outperform others like Nikkei and Euro indexes (just throwing a curveball)
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say, for simplicity sake,
1. monthly USD 1k.

2. holds readily USD and EUR. For now, I avoid GBP. Really don't know what's gonna happen after Brexit.

3. I think I'll choose S&P500 and Euronext 100. Ratio 9:1.

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Guys is there anyway to buy this ETF from Malaysia?

VanEck Vectors Vietnam ETF (VNM)
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/VNM/
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Ramjade bro can guide u... In other tered ya... Later mod lock this topic we gg
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Ramjade bro can guide u... In other tered ya... Later mod lock this topic we gg
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Oops wrong thread.. will remove my post dunno why I thought this was an ETF thread.
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QUOTE(moosset @ Nov 5 2019, 12:35 PM)
say, for simplicity sake,
1. monthly USD 1k.

2. holds readily USD and EUR. For now, I avoid GBP. Really don't know what's gonna happen after Brexit.

3. I think I'll choose S&P500 and Euronext 100. Ratio 9:1.
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1. monthly USD 1k.
TradeStation Global (https://www.tradestation-international.com/pricing/):
USD denominated: 0.12% or minimum USD1.91-1.95 (GBP1.5 equivalent) ~USD1,590 before 0.12% exceeds GBP1.5 equivalent
EUR denominated: 0.12% or minimum EUR1.71 ~EUR1425 before 0.12% exceeds EUR1.71

CapTrader (https://www.captrader.com/en/account/commissions/)
0.1% or EUR2 - 4 depending on exchange. No mention of USD denominated listed on London Stock Exchange

2. holds readily USD and EUR. For now, I avoid GBP. Really don't know what's gonna happen after Brexit.
Both can accept USD (Citibank NY) or EUR (Citibank Germany).

Doesn't matter if you have a USD S&P500 fund mixed with EUR S&P500 fund. Once you've paid for units of a fund you're holding the value the underlying companies instead of denomination currency.

If you're OCD enough you can spend USD2 (TradeStation) to convert and buy only 1 denomination fund. CapTrader conversion fee depends on which currency you're selling (https://www.captrader.com/en/account/commissions)

3. I think I'll choose S&P500 and Euronext 100. Ratio 9:1.
Won't comment on allocation, everyone has a preference/region specific bet.

You can go crazy with the ETF screener here:
https://www.justetf.com/en/find-etf.html?groupField=index

From there you can copy the ISIN code and look it up in https://www.investing.com and check out the cross listing on other exchanges + other info like denomination and volume

If it's domiciled in Ireland + physical replication + issued by iShares/Vanguard/SPDR it's safe enough. I have personal preference of accumulating funds
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QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 5 2019, 05:50 PM)
Doesn't matter if you have a USD S&P500 fund mixed with EUR S&P500 fund. Once you've paid for units of a fund you're holding the value the underlying companies instead of denomination currency.
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Euronext 100 should be all in EUR... wink.gif

...and If super OCD... then need to consider hedging currency drop also... assuming wanna repat funds lah... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 5 2019, 05:50 PM)
1.  monthly USD 1k.
TradeStation Global (https://www.tradestation-international.com/pricing/):
USD denominated: 0.12% or minimum USD1.91-1.95 (GBP1.5 equivalent) ~USD1,590 before 0.12% exceeds GBP1.5 equivalent
EUR denominated: 0.12% or minimum EUR1.71 ~EUR1425 before 0.12% exceeds EUR1.71

CapTrader (https://www.captrader.com/en/account/commissions/)
0.1% or EUR2 - 4 depending on exchange. No mention of USD denominated listed on London Stock Exchange

2. holds readily USD and EUR. For now, I avoid GBP. Really don't know what's gonna happen after Brexit.
Both can accept USD (Citibank NY) or EUR (Citibank Germany).

Doesn't matter if you have a USD S&P500 fund mixed with EUR S&P500 fund. Once you've paid for units of a fund you're holding the value the underlying companies instead of denomination currency.

If you're OCD enough you can spend USD2 (TradeStation) to convert and buy only 1 denomination fund. CapTrader conversion fee depends on which currency you're selling (https://www.captrader.com/en/account/commissions)

3. I think I'll choose S&P500 and Euronext 100. Ratio 9:1.
Won't comment on allocation, everyone has a preference/region specific bet.

You can go crazy with the ETF screener here:
https://www.justetf.com/en/find-etf.html?groupField=index

From there you can copy the ISIN code and look it up in https://www.investing.com and check out the cross listing on other exchanges + other info like denomination and volume

If it's domiciled in Ireland + physical replication + issued by iShares/Vanguard/SPDR it's safe enough. I have personal preference of accumulating funds
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Btw, have we established that 15% WHT for Irish domiciled S&P500 ETF is better than the US ETF for us non-US residents??



QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 5 2019, 05:50 PM)
If you're OCD enough you can spend USD2 (TradeStation) to convert and buy only 1 denomination fund. CapTrader conversion fee depends on which currency you're selling (https://www.captrader.com/en/account/commissions)

3. I think I'll choose S&P500 and Euronext 100. Ratio 9:1.
Won't comment on allocation, everyone has a preference/region specific bet.

You can go crazy with the ETF screener here:
https://www.justetf.com/en/find-etf.html?groupField=index

From there you can copy the ISIN code and look it up in https://www.investing.com and check out the cross listing on other exchanges + other info like denomination and volume

If it's domiciled in Ireland + physical replication + issued by iShares/Vanguard/SPDR it's safe enough. I have personal preference of accumulating funds
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 5 2019, 06:43 PM)
Euronext 100 should be all in EUR... wink.gif

...and If super OCD... then need to consider hedging currency drop also... assuming wanna repat funds lah... biggrin.gif
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I am sadly quite OCD about the currency of the ETF. sad.gif
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QUOTE(moosset @ Nov 5 2019, 06:47 PM)
Btw, have we established that 15% WHT for Irish domiciled S&P500 ETF is better than the US ETF for us non-US residents??
I am sadly quite OCD about the currency of the ETF. sad.gif
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See here.
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4856464&hl=
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Nov 5 2019, 07:20 PM)
Don't need those calculations lah...

15% is better than 30%... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 5 2019, 08:20 PM)
Don't need those calculations lah...

15% is better than 30%... biggrin.gif
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hehe....good ma.... appreciate his work also..

yes 15% terbest for malaysian. syukurlah donald trump only collect 15% and allow us to hoot intel facebook berkshire apple netflix mcd microsoft all combined in a simple sp500
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Nov 5 2019, 08:26 PM)
hehe....good ma.... appreciate his work also..

yes 15% terbest for malaysian. syukurlah donald trump only collect 15% and allow us to hoot intel facebook berkshire apple netflix mcd microsoft all combined in a simple sp500
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Ya...he was very productive that few days... thumbup.gif

But tbh I no clue his results... sweat.gif I only know what he's trying to do... I eventually downloaded all the fx, price and dividend data, and did an NPV assessment on real terms and money of the day... just didn't post it... lol
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QUOTE(moosset @ Nov 5 2019, 06:47 PM)
Btw, have we established that 15% WHT for Irish domiciled S&P500 ETF is better than the US ETF for us non-US residents??
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Lol wrong link. Should be this one:
ETF: Irish domiciled ETF vs US, WHT benefit vs expense ratio bid spread

The first link is studying the return of S&P 500 vs NASDAQ 100.

The other link is studying whether you have an advantage buying a fund that will give you 15% WHT (non-US domiciled, higher expense, huge spread) instead of buying the 30% WHT (US domiciled, lower expense, narrow spread) equivalent.

Anyways, it depends on who you listen to. My findings based on the sample shows that US domiciled ETF is still better. My conclusion tends to support Stashaway. This is why they rather buy the US domiciled ETF rather than elsewhere to save 15% WHT.

To be clear, the difference is is around 0.12% in the super long run. You are unlikely to lose out. What's more important is when you convert back.


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I am sadly quite OCD about the currency of the ETF. sad.gif
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Firstly, you need to clarify what you meant by currency here. Got 2 scenarios:

1) Buying S&P 500 in Euro vs USD - aka buying the same asset using 2 different currencies.

ETF currency does not matter because it is the NAV of the asset which matters.
However, it does matter if the ETF managers hold cash. Almost all hold a small % of cash depending on the currency.

Furthermore, you should be more concerned about the exchange rate when you decide to liquidate, not when you buy.
As you average down, the currency fluctuations will cause you to buy more units when it depreciates and buy less when it appreciates.
In the long run, you will return to the 'average' exchange rate and it only matters when you sell.

When you sell, the exchange will decide whether you earn more or less. This is very important because it will decide whether your compounded return is higher or lower.
Because of exchange rate, you may make a gain 3% gain in USD terms but a 2% loss in MYR terms.

E.g. 1 USD : 4 MYR, you convert RM1000 into $250 to invest. (Just once, no dollar cost average)
1 year later, your $250 grew by 6% p.a. for 2 years to $280.90 [250 x 1.06^2]

You decide to liquidate, MYR appreciated against USD. 1 USD : 3.5 MYR.
You get back RM983.15 [$280.90 x 3.5]. You made a loss.

Why loss? You put in RM1000 and get back RM983.15.
Your return p.a. is -0.84% [(983.15/1000)^(1/2)-1].

Usually by a few % so it's best to liquidate when MYR is weak not when it is strong. Technically, you should buy more S&P 500 when MYR is strong not weak. biggrin.gif

If on the other hand, MYR depreciates when you liquidate and convert back:

Say, 1 USD : 4.5 MYR. Your investment after 2 years is still $280.90 remember? But when you convert back, you get RM1264.05 [$280.90 x 4.5]
Your return p.a. is 12.4% [(1264.05/1000)^(1/2)-1].

See now currency is more important when you liquidate?

2) Comparing investing in an EU ETF vs US ETF when they both give 6% return p.a.

Yes. This matters because the NAV of the fund is affected.
Imagine a US company with share price has a RM1,000,000 land in Malaysia at 1 USD : 4 MYR.
Then, MYR depreciate to 1 USD : 4.5 MYR.
The company records the asset value has fallen from $250,000 to $222,222.
This is called 'translation loss'. Each company that has operations overseas will include these in their balance sheet.

BUT, you should only be concerned if your ETF list of companies does not have operations in multiple locations.
ETFs like S&P 500 is safer because they do businesses in almost every country and is 'currency diversified'.

Imagine a buying a, EU company with land in multiple countries vs an EU company with land only in EU.
Same concept.

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 5 2019, 06:43 PM)
Euronext 100 should be all in EUR... wink.gif

...and If super OCD... then need to consider hedging currency drop also... assuming wanna repat funds lah... biggrin.gif
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If you're talking about hedged class of a fund, in my opinion is I wouldn't bother - it's still a 50/50 gamble and you might end up hedging for lower returns in the end. Plus the currency forward contracts adds up to the total expense ratio. Unless you know something about that currency pair and really you should be trading currency futures instead of accumulating index funds.

QUOTE(moosset @ Nov 5 2019, 06:47 PM)
Btw, have we established that 15% WHT for Irish domiciled S&P500 ETF is better than the US ETF for us non-US residents??
I am sadly quite OCD about the currency of the ETF. sad.gif
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You really shouldn't be. If you go to the airport and buy a box of chocolate and it costs GBP1 / USD1.3 / EUR1.15 it doesn't matter which currency you pay for it - in the end you end up with a box of chocolates, not GBP or USD or EUR.

What you might be worried about is the spread and volume of the particular denominated fund, theoretically market makers will swoop in and arbitrage premiums/discounts and this brings it back to fair price. I believe a fund that tracks the ever popular S&P 500 index by iShares/Vanguard/SPDR would have multiple active market makers

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If you're talking about hedged class of a fund, in my opinion is I wouldn't bother - it's still a 50/50 gamble and you might end up hedging for lower returns in the end. Plus the currency forward contracts adds up to the total expense ratio. Unless you know something about that currency pair and really you should be trading currency futures instead of accumulating index funds.
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Ya talking about hedging currency...futures/cfd/options are some methods

It's relevant when you invest substantial sum overseas... say usdmyr 4.2 drop to 3.1... its big % and big $

Should always keep an eye on it

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Can help me understand this expense/spread thingy...

I know lower expense is good... lower bid/ask spread is good...

For an individual say diy buying one-time market (ask price) and selling market (bid price) 5-10 yrs later... why would spread become so important? Also at peak hours spread should be quite small
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 5 2019, 09:04 PM)
Ya talking about hedging currency...futures/cfd/options are some methods

It's relevant when you invest substantial sum overseas... say usdmyr 4.2 drop to 3.1... its big % and big $

Should always keep an eye on it
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For myself I'll just keep it simple - rebase everything back to MYR (retirement currency) and rebalance twice a year

QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 5 2019, 09:28 PM)
Can help me understand this expense/spread thingy...

I know lower expense is good... lower bid/ask spread is good...

For an individual say diy buying one-time market (ask price) and selling market (bid price) 5-10 yrs later... why would spread become so important? Also at peak hours spread should be quite small
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I'd say it's negligible for popular index funds. I've never had problem getting orders filled by bidding +1 cent for IWDA (typically has 3 cents wide spread)

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QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 5 2019, 09:30 PM)
For myself I'll just keep it simple - rebase everything back to MYR (retirement currency) and rebalance twice a year
I'd say it's negligible for popular index funds. I've never had problem getting orders filled by bidding +1 cent for IWDA (typically has 3 cents wide spread)
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i more lazy, rebalance on birthday je...haha

if scare cant fill, just hoot 1 dollar higher...sure kena one
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 5 2019, 09:28 PM)
Can help me understand this expense/spread thingy...

I know lower expense is good... lower bid/ask spread is good...

For an individual say diy buying one-time market (ask price) and selling market (bid price) 5-10 yrs later... why would spread become so important? Also at peak hours spread should be quite small
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My calculation was based on the closing price everyday. Closing price is the last transaction that took place that day. It can be at the bid or ask price. So it's fair.
I was using all of the samples. Imagine yourself buying the index everyday at the closing price with $10 for 9 years.
Then, what is your average return p.a.? Basically that's what I did for an S&P 500 tracked in US vs the one listed in London.

My findings show that US domiciled S&P 500 wins.

Meaning the benefit of lower expense ratio and lower tracking error exceeds the benefit of lower WHT.

However, I can still try to perform hypothesis testing to see whether the difference is significant or purely by chance.

EDIT: I did the hypothesis testing and if my calculation is correct, there is significant evidence at 99% confidence interval that the returns are not the same and the US domiciled S&P 500 gives higher returns

For those who want to calculate themselves, the n for both samples is 1895.

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for some ppl who also trade in and out of etfs...in addition to "timing" entry/exit based on TA say on sp500 ...they also looked at the premium / discount of the etf prices over the underlying to try get the best value...

Just saying... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Nov 5 2019, 10:02 PM)
My calculation was based on the closing price everyday. Closing price is the last transaction that took place that day. It can be at the bid or ask price. So it's fair.
I was using all of the samples. Imagine yourself buying the index everyday at the closing price with $10 for 9 years.
Then, what is your average return p.a.? Basically that's what I did for an S&P 500 tracked in US vs the one listed in London.

My findings show that US domiciled S&P 500 wins.

Meaning the benefit of lower expense ratio and lower tracking error exceeds the benefit of lower WHT.

However, I can still try to perform hypothesis testing to see whether the difference is significant or purely by chance.
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Np mate... let me digest your other thread and sleep this over...

Some market / products are less efficient... so there's that...

I think of most interest would be sxr8 vs the best in us

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Nov 5 2019, 08:39 PM)
1) Buying S&P 500 in Euro vs USD - aka buying the same asset using 2 different currencies.[/size]

ETF currency does not matter because it is the NAV of the asset which matters.
However, it does matter if the ETF managers hold cash. Almost all hold a small % of cash depending on the currency.

Furthermore, you should be more concerned about the exchange rate when you decide to liquidate, not when you buy.
As you average down, the currency fluctuations will cause you to buy more units when it depreciates and buy less when it appreciates.
In the long run, you will return to the 'average' exchange rate and it only matters when you sell.

When you sell, the exchange will decide whether you earn more or less. This is very important because it will decide whether your compounded return is higher or lower.
Because of exchange rate, you may make a gain 3% gain in USD terms but a 2% loss in MYR terms.

E.g. 1 USD : 4 MYR, you convert RM1000 into $250 to invest. (Just once, no dollar cost average)
1 year later, your $250 grew by 6% p.a. for 2 years to $280.90 [250 x 1.06^2]

You decide to liquidate, MYR appreciated against USD. 1 USD : 3.5 MYR.
You get back RM983.15 [$280.90 x 3.5]. You made a loss.

Why loss? You put in RM1000 and get back RM983.15.
Your return p.a. is -0.84% [(983.15/1000)^(1/2)-1].

Usually by a few % so it's best to liquidate when MYR is weak not when it is strong. Technically, you should buy more S&P 500 when MYR is strong not weak.  biggrin.gif

If on the other hand, MYR depreciates when you liquidate and convert back:

Say, 1 USD : 4.5 MYR. Your investment after 2 years is still $280.90 remember? But when you convert back, you get RM1264.05 [$280.90 x 4.5]
Your return p.a. is 12.4% [(1264.05/1000)^(1/2)-1].

See now currency is more important when you liquidate?
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for now, I'm thinking of liquidating in USD or JPY or EUR.
yeah, my question referred to the 1st scenario, different currency of the same asset class.

ok. So the base currency doesn't matter. Just the asset. thumbsup.gif

QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 5 2019, 08:44 PM)

You really shouldn't be. If you go to the airport and buy a box of chocolate and it costs GBP1 / USD1.3 / EUR1.15 it doesn't matter which currency you pay for it - in the end you end up with a box of chocolates, not GBP or USD or EUR.

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funny you gave this example. I am ashamed to say I am exactly that guy. sad.gif

when I'm offered to pay either GBP1 / USD1.3 / EUR1.15, I would look through the app and check. If the exchange rate is GBP 1 / USD 1.5 / EUR 1.10, I'd pay with USD. laugh.gif
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questions about WHT, I got confused.

A Malaysian citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, WHT is 15%.

What if,
a US citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, is the WHT 15% or 30%?
A Japanese citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, is the WHT 15% or 30%?
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QUOTE(moosset @ Nov 5 2019, 10:47 PM)
questions about WHT, I got confused.

A Malaysian citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, WHT is 15%.

What if,
a US citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, is the WHT 15% or 30%?
A Japanese citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, is the WHT 15% or 30%?
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It's not citizenship but tax residency...and tax treaty or not
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It's not citizenship but tax residency...and tax treaty or not
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but we pay 15% because it's in Ireland, no?

if US residents bought irish domiciled ETF, the WHT should also be 15%, no?
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QUOTE(moosset @ Nov 5 2019, 10:47 PM)
questions about WHT, I got confused.

A Malaysian citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, WHT is 15%.

What if,
a US citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, is the WHT 15% or 30%?
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Withholding Tax (WHT) is only applicable for US non-resident alien.
Withholding tax is cash which the resident company holds to pay to the government on your behalf.
If they fail to keep this cash before distributing profits to you, they will still be liable to pay to the government.

Hence, US citizen do not have to pay WHT but pay according to their usual tax rates. I believe they measure the % based on each person's income.
Just like Malaysia. When you file income tax, there is a section for dividends received. However, we do not pay dividend tax because currently, it's exempt.
In future, we may have to.

QUOTE(moosset @ Nov 5 2019, 10:47 PM)
A Japanese citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, is the WHT 15% or 30%?
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WHT 15%. If you look at my thread. The dividends are already 'priced in' into the share price. Hence, the ETF does not pay dividends out but the NAV increases, and thus the price of the ETF itself. But someone point out if I am wrong.
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 5 2019, 09:04 PM)
Ya talking about hedging currency...futures/cfd/options are some methods

It's relevant when you invest substantial sum overseas... say usdmyr 4.2 drop to 3.1... its big % and big $

Should always keep an eye on it
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Actually you don't have to hedge if you decide to invest every month and dollar cost average.
Eventually, your point of entry will 'harmonise' meaning you will obtain a long term weighted average of the exchange rate in which you entered.
Meaning a weak ringgit will strengthen against USD in some years and weaken.

But if Malaysia get sanctioned by US, GG. Look at Iran's currency:

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What is more important is the exchange rate on the time you decide to liquidate.

Alternatively to maximise gains and get value for your money, you can be smart by:
1) Investing in Malaysian stock when MYR is weak and will recover.
2) Investing in US stock only when MYR is strong/strengthen against USD.
3) If you think MYR will continue depreciating forever probably to 1 USD = 5+ MYR, then straight invest in US stocks. It will maximise your gains even more.

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Nov 5 2019, 11:07 PM)
Withholding Tax (WHT) is only applicable for US non-resident alien.
Withholding tax is cash which the resident company holds to pay to the government on your behalf.
If they fail to keep this cash before distributing profits to you, they will still be liable to pay to the government.

Hence, US citizen do not have to pay WHT but pay according to their usual tax rates. I believe they measure the % based on each person's income.
Just like Malaysia. When you file income tax, there is a section for dividends received. However, we do not pay dividend tax because currently, it's exempt.
In future, we may have to.
WHT 15%. If you look at my thread. The dividends are already 'priced in' into the share price. Hence, the ETF does not pay dividends out but the NAV increases, and thus the price of the ETF itself. But someone point out if I am wrong.
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WHT is charged by the host country to non tax residency ppl... so if you get German shares dividend in Germany you pay Germany's WHT rate... US ppl hold Malaysian shares get dividend in Bursa they pay Malaysia's WHT.
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QUOTE(moosset @ Nov 5 2019, 10:47 PM)
questions about WHT, I got confused.

A Malaysian citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, WHT is 15%.

What if,
a US citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, is the WHT 15% or 30%?
A Japanese citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, is the WHT 15% or 30%?
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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Nov 5 2019, 11:07 PM)
Withholding Tax (WHT) is only applicable for US non-resident alien.
Withholding tax is cash which the resident company holds to pay to the government on your behalf.
If they fail to keep this cash before distributing profits to you, they will still be liable to pay to the government.

Hence, US citizen do not have to pay WHT but pay according to their usual tax rates. I believe they measure the % based on each person's income.
Just like Malaysia. When you file income tax, there is a section for dividends received. However, we do not pay dividend tax because currently, it's exempt.
In future, we may have to.
WHT 15%. If you look at my thread. The dividends are already 'priced in' into the share price. Hence, the ETF does not pay dividends out but the NAV increases, and thus the price of the ETF itself. But someone point out if I am wrong.
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For Malaysian tax resident, it's quite straight forward as we don't pay dividend and capital gain tax on securities.

For US citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, I'm pretty sure they'd get walloped by 15% and then again by IRS on capital and dividend. People do a tax reset by liquidating assets before they step foot in American soil when they qualify to become a tax resident there.

For Japanese citizen it depends whether their inland revenue taxes overseas dividend/capital gain. Japan likely has some tax treaty with the US, probably best to buy one from Tokyo Stock Exchange instead if there is.

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 5 2019, 11:48 PM)
WHT is charged by the host country to non tax residency ppl... so if you get German shares dividend in Germany you pay Germany's WHT rate... US ppl hold Malaysian shares get dividend in Bursa they pay Malaysia's WHT.
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Yes. My statement is still correct because Japanese also follow the 15% if they buy the Irish domiciled ETF.

Edit: for clarity. The Irish domiciled ETF already pays the 15% dividend because it is applicable to them. Whether or not your own country has additional taxes is a different story.

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post Nov 6 2019, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 5 2019, 11:48 PM)
WHT is charged by the host country to non tax residency ppl... so if you get German shares dividend in Germany you pay Germany's WHT rate... US ppl hold Malaysian shares get dividend in Bursa they pay Malaysia's WHT.
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Isn't Malaysian securities dividend (other than REITs) taxed at corporate level (single tier dividend) instead?

e.g. Maybank gets taxed 24% by LHDN -> shareholder 0% by LHDN -> whichever tax bracket % you're in by IRS
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post Nov 6 2019, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 6 2019, 12:02 AM)
Isn't Malaysian securities dividend (other than REITs) taxed at corporate level (single tier dividend) instead?

e.g. Maybank gets taxed 24% by LHDN -> shareholder 0% by LHDN -> whichever tax bracket % you're in by IRS
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Usually countries solve this WHT problem with something called Double Taxation Agreement (DTA).
Unfortunately, Malaysia does not have one with the US.

Here: http://lampiran1.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/006a.pdf
Says that non-resident individual is not liable to tax if receiving tax exempt dividends from Malaysia.

If this is not the case, I think it's possible to be taxed in both countries.
This is also why DTA is enacted. It is to reduce taxes from both sides of the country and encourage investment.
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post Nov 6 2019, 12:49 AM

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Between choosing US domiciled or Irish domiciled, has anybody done research on estate taxes? I read somewhere US estate taxes pretty high. It would be sad if you buy and buy and buy and buy and hold US domiciled ETFs for long term. And one day accident happens, and estate tax comes in, US government takes 40% of your portfolio.
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post Nov 6 2019, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 6 2019, 12:49 AM)
Between choosing US domiciled or Irish domiciled, has anybody done research on estate taxes? I read somewhere US estate taxes pretty high. It would be sad if you buy and buy and buy and buy and hold US domiciled ETFs for long term. And one day accident happens, and estate tax comes in, US government takes 40% of your portfolio.
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A person is considered to be domiciled in the US for estate and gift tax purposes if he or she lives in the US and has no present intention of leaving.

US domiciliaries are taxed on the value of their worldwide assets at death in the same manner as US citizens. Non-US domiciliaries are taxed only on the value of their US “situs” assets. US situs assets generally include real and tangible personal property located in the US, business assets located in the US, and stock of US corporations. The definition of US situs assets may be modified by an applicable estate and gift tax treaty.

An exemption of $60,000 is available against the value of assets includable in the US taxable estate of an individual who was not US domiciled.

NonUS domiciliaries are subject to US gift tax only on transfers of tangible personal property located in the US and real property located in the US.

Source: https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloi...dent-aliens.pdf

I guess make sure you withdraw before you die. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 6 2019, 01:23 AM

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Yes, withdraw before you die.

Assets subject to US estate tax

Non-US domiciliaries are taxed only on the value of their US “situs” assets. US situs assets generally include real and tangible personal property located in the US, business assets located in the US, and stock of US corporations. The definition of US situs assets may be modified by an applicable estate and gift tax treaty.


An exemption of $60,000 is available against the value of assets includable in the US taxable estate of an individual who was not US domiciled. Maximum tax bracket, 40%
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post Nov 6 2019, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 6 2019, 01:23 AM)
Yes, withdraw before you die.

Assets subject to US estate tax

Non-US domiciliaries are taxed only on the value of their US “situs” assets. US situs assets generally include real and tangible personal property located in the US, business assets located in the US, and stock of US corporations. The definition of US situs assets may be modified by an applicable estate and gift tax treaty.
An exemption of $60,000 is available against the value of assets includable in the US taxable estate of an individual who was not US domiciled. Maximum tax bracket, 40%
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Actually, will the US know whether you die or not?
I mean if you let your will executor or your spouse know you invest in US stocks and give them the login details, then they can withdraw immediately when you die.
US don't even need to know whether you are dead or alive. biggrin.gif
Then again, better not mess with the IRS.



Anyways, does anyone know how to avoid this tax? Anyone with tax planning ideas?
What if a Malaysian sets up a living trust. Will it still be taxable?
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post Nov 6 2019, 06:06 AM

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QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 6 2019, 12:02 AM)
Isn't Malaysian securities dividend (other than REITs) taxed at corporate level (single tier dividend) instead?

e.g. Maybank gets taxed 24% by LHDN -> shareholder 0% by LHDN -> whichever tax bracket % you're in by IRS
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I think actually no. Say Mbb dividend tax at 24% but your tax bracket is 10%, you claim back 14% when filling your tax return.

But for foreigners they pay WHT flat rate 27%, so need to pay extra 3%.

For Americans who is taxed worldwide, this mbb divided net of 27% WHT is taxed again as income in USA because no tax treaty with Malaysia.


Edit: it appears I am wrong now with single tier dividend. sweat.gif it's been a while since I paid my last dividend

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