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post Oct 30 2019, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Feb 26 2019, 10:15 PM)
Bacalah “你能吗" in the attached pdf. Good luck!

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so US total bond market index fund is replaced by Amanah saham??

is Amanah Saham better than bond market index?
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post Oct 30 2019, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Oct 18 2019, 07:14 PM)
Any etoro ppl here?...

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Etf 0.09% commission
US stocks 0% commission
Withdrawal fee $25
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is etoro better than ibkr?
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post Oct 30 2019, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Oct 30 2019, 06:59 PM)
Can try ambank bond fund also. Asnb is quite unique for Malaysian. U won't lose principal in Asnb fixed price, that fulfills one major point of bond (security)
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but bond prices can go up in value, ASNB cannot. sad.gif

so the potential upside for bonds is higher, no? during recessions when stocks go down, bond prices go up. But ASNB doesn't, dividend might actually go down.
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post Nov 4 2019, 06:51 PM

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there are so many S&P500 ETF domiciled in Ireland.

Why TS chose that one specifically?
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post Nov 5 2019, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 5 2019, 10:39 AM)
More concise answer - decision would be depending on:
i. How much one would periodically like to invest (CapTrader vs TradeStation Global decision)
ii. If one readily holds EUR/GBP/USD currency and can transfer over (EUR/GBP/USD denominated fund decision)
iii. If one believes S&P500 will continue to outperform others like Nikkei and Euro indexes (just throwing a curveball)
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say, for simplicity sake,
1. monthly USD 1k.

2. holds readily USD and EUR. For now, I avoid GBP. Really don't know what's gonna happen after Brexit.

3. I think I'll choose S&P500 and Euronext 100. Ratio 9:1.

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post Nov 5 2019, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 5 2019, 05:50 PM)
1.  monthly USD 1k.
TradeStation Global (https://www.tradestation-international.com/pricing/):
USD denominated: 0.12% or minimum USD1.91-1.95 (GBP1.5 equivalent) ~USD1,590 before 0.12% exceeds GBP1.5 equivalent
EUR denominated: 0.12% or minimum EUR1.71 ~EUR1425 before 0.12% exceeds EUR1.71

CapTrader (https://www.captrader.com/en/account/commissions/)
0.1% or EUR2 - 4 depending on exchange. No mention of USD denominated listed on London Stock Exchange

2. holds readily USD and EUR. For now, I avoid GBP. Really don't know what's gonna happen after Brexit.
Both can accept USD (Citibank NY) or EUR (Citibank Germany).

Doesn't matter if you have a USD S&P500 fund mixed with EUR S&P500 fund. Once you've paid for units of a fund you're holding the value the underlying companies instead of denomination currency.

If you're OCD enough you can spend USD2 (TradeStation) to convert and buy only 1 denomination fund. CapTrader conversion fee depends on which currency you're selling (https://www.captrader.com/en/account/commissions)

3. I think I'll choose S&P500 and Euronext 100. Ratio 9:1.
Won't comment on allocation, everyone has a preference/region specific bet.

You can go crazy with the ETF screener here:
https://www.justetf.com/en/find-etf.html?groupField=index

From there you can copy the ISIN code and look it up in https://www.investing.com and check out the cross listing on other exchanges + other info like denomination and volume

If it's domiciled in Ireland + physical replication + issued by iShares/Vanguard/SPDR it's safe enough. I have personal preference of accumulating funds
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Thanks for the info! thumbup.gif
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post Nov 5 2019, 06:47 PM

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Btw, have we established that 15% WHT for Irish domiciled S&P500 ETF is better than the US ETF for us non-US residents??



QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 5 2019, 05:50 PM)
If you're OCD enough you can spend USD2 (TradeStation) to convert and buy only 1 denomination fund. CapTrader conversion fee depends on which currency you're selling (https://www.captrader.com/en/account/commissions)

3. I think I'll choose S&P500 and Euronext 100. Ratio 9:1.
Won't comment on allocation, everyone has a preference/region specific bet.

You can go crazy with the ETF screener here:
https://www.justetf.com/en/find-etf.html?groupField=index

From there you can copy the ISIN code and look it up in https://www.investing.com and check out the cross listing on other exchanges + other info like denomination and volume

If it's domiciled in Ireland + physical replication + issued by iShares/Vanguard/SPDR it's safe enough. I have personal preference of accumulating funds
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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 5 2019, 06:43 PM)
Euronext 100 should be all in EUR... wink.gif

...and If super OCD... then need to consider hedging currency drop also... assuming wanna repat funds lah... biggrin.gif
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I am sadly quite OCD about the currency of the ETF. sad.gif
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post Nov 5 2019, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Nov 5 2019, 08:39 PM)
1) Buying S&P 500 in Euro vs USD - aka buying the same asset using 2 different currencies.[/size]

ETF currency does not matter because it is the NAV of the asset which matters.
However, it does matter if the ETF managers hold cash. Almost all hold a small % of cash depending on the currency.

Furthermore, you should be more concerned about the exchange rate when you decide to liquidate, not when you buy.
As you average down, the currency fluctuations will cause you to buy more units when it depreciates and buy less when it appreciates.
In the long run, you will return to the 'average' exchange rate and it only matters when you sell.

When you sell, the exchange will decide whether you earn more or less. This is very important because it will decide whether your compounded return is higher or lower.
Because of exchange rate, you may make a gain 3% gain in USD terms but a 2% loss in MYR terms.

E.g. 1 USD : 4 MYR, you convert RM1000 into $250 to invest. (Just once, no dollar cost average)
1 year later, your $250 grew by 6% p.a. for 2 years to $280.90 [250 x 1.06^2]

You decide to liquidate, MYR appreciated against USD. 1 USD : 3.5 MYR.
You get back RM983.15 [$280.90 x 3.5]. You made a loss.

Why loss? You put in RM1000 and get back RM983.15.
Your return p.a. is -0.84% [(983.15/1000)^(1/2)-1].

Usually by a few % so it's best to liquidate when MYR is weak not when it is strong. Technically, you should buy more S&P 500 when MYR is strong not weak.  biggrin.gif

If on the other hand, MYR depreciates when you liquidate and convert back:

Say, 1 USD : 4.5 MYR. Your investment after 2 years is still $280.90 remember? But when you convert back, you get RM1264.05 [$280.90 x 4.5]
Your return p.a. is 12.4% [(1264.05/1000)^(1/2)-1].

See now currency is more important when you liquidate?
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for now, I'm thinking of liquidating in USD or JPY or EUR.
yeah, my question referred to the 1st scenario, different currency of the same asset class.

ok. So the base currency doesn't matter. Just the asset. thumbsup.gif

QUOTE(roarus @ Nov 5 2019, 08:44 PM)

You really shouldn't be. If you go to the airport and buy a box of chocolate and it costs GBP1 / USD1.3 / EUR1.15 it doesn't matter which currency you pay for it - in the end you end up with a box of chocolates, not GBP or USD or EUR.

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funny you gave this example. I am ashamed to say I am exactly that guy. sad.gif

when I'm offered to pay either GBP1 / USD1.3 / EUR1.15, I would look through the app and check. If the exchange rate is GBP 1 / USD 1.5 / EUR 1.10, I'd pay with USD. laugh.gif
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questions about WHT, I got confused.

A Malaysian citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, WHT is 15%.

What if,
a US citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, is the WHT 15% or 30%?
A Japanese citizen buying Irish domiciled ETF, is the WHT 15% or 30%?
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post Nov 5 2019, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 5 2019, 11:01 PM)
It's not citizenship but tax residency...and tax treaty or not
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but we pay 15% because it's in Ireland, no?

if US residents bought irish domiciled ETF, the WHT should also be 15%, no?
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post Nov 6 2019, 12:43 PM

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when you guys buy ETF, do you buy 1 unit or can you buy a fixed amount currency of ETF?

say, 500 EUR. Then you'll receive 1.xxxxx unit ETF?? How do you sell then?
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post Nov 6 2019, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Nov 6 2019, 12:49 PM)
1unit
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but I thought ppl kept saying invest a fixed sum of money and DCA??

then it's not possible to invest a fixed sum?
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post Nov 6 2019, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Nov 6 2019, 01:11 PM)
Not sure what you meant but..

Example you have RM1000 to invest every month.
QQQ is USD 200 per unit today. 1 USD: 4.15 MYR.

You convert and get USD 240.96. You can buy 1 unit at USD 200. Means you left USD 40.96 not yet invest. You can use this money to top up with next month.
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each time only buy 1 unit ... life is so depressing. sad.gif

Like StashAway, you can have 1.231241325 unit of an ETF, I think. No?
ok, I thought DCA means a fixed sum every month; but since we cannot buy ETFs in fractions, then I guess cannot invest a fixed sum every time.
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QUOTE(Chounz @ Nov 6 2019, 02:42 PM)
I think you didn't get my message, the dividend for this ETF will be reinvested in the ETF again.
Meaning, there is no dividend from this ETF, hence, it should not subject to any WHT.


Unless you are saying there is WHT attach to the capital gain subsequently when dispose the ETF.
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This is not correct lo .... the SXR8 that we talked about also auto reinvest, still got withholding tax.

If don't want WHT, then don't declare dividend like Warren B. If declare, sure tax, doesn't matter auto re-invest or not.


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Reinvesting dividends is the process of automatically using cash dividends to purchase additional stocks of the same company. If you choose to reinvest your dividends, you still have to pay taxes as though you actually received the cash.

Source: Investopedia

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post Nov 6 2019, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Nov 6 2019, 04:36 PM)
On the other hand, if you buy a US-domiciled ETF, dividends are paid to you.
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what if you buy US-domiciled ETF but auto reinvest (DRIP)??
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post Nov 6 2019, 08:36 PM

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sigh.... now I'm also very confused liao ..... nevermind lah....

by the way, if buy SXR8, then the intraday movement is not much since half of the time, it doesn't overlap with the NYSE?
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This post has been edited by moosset: Nov 7 2019, 03:00 PM
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post Nov 7 2019, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(alexkos @ Nov 7 2019, 03:08 PM)
Careful bro must post content ya... If not mod cari I for justification I kantoi.

BTW those interested in more global index than sp500 can lookup EIMI... Emerging market exposure.

But TER 0.18% I dun like....
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I changed my mind about my post but there's no delete button.
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post Nov 8 2019, 07:28 AM

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Yggdrasil

any QQQ denominated in EUR?
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post Nov 9 2019, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ Nov 9 2019, 09:45 PM)
Yes high yield products. I briefly saw a few usd etfs that's 7-10% so was thinking the dividend more than cover the loan

The second point is instead of taking a usd margin loan at 3%... I take a eur loan at 1.5% and use that to buy usd... so effectively a usd loan at 1.5%. If usd strengthen its in my favor because I'm holding usd.

Sounds simple so I don't know if I'm missing something tbh...
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3%, 1.5% means what?? Isn't this rate compounded daily?

that 7-10% is a yearly dividend yield, no? How to cover?

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