Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

1553 Pages « < 48 49 50 51 52 > » Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 FundSuperMart v18 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

views
     
adele123
post Feb 24 2017, 07:57 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,722 posts

Joined: Jul 2013


QUOTE(Nemozai @ Feb 23 2017, 09:13 PM)
Under 1 years returns, I see that certain funds offer 40++% returns.
This seems unrealistic to me  blink.gif Or this is how it is supposed to be? rclxms.gif (I don't know, need your advice)

Can I assume that this is due to the facts that these funds had just launched and this is the results of volatility?
*
As you yourself have mentioned, it's for 1 year. indeed if you invest exactly a year ago, this will be the return. but it's definitely not sustainable.

which is why if you look at the annualised return for past 10 years, it's about 10+%.


xuzen
post Feb 24 2017, 11:24 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,436 posts

Joined: Oct 2008


QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 23 2017, 07:57 PM)
It memang don't perform. mad.gif vmad.gif
Give only 1.2-1.3% when compare to manulife at 3.6x%. I have both. Same amount.  Different time buying
Care to explain how manulife AP REITS is able to beat her? I hold both and manulife is giving 3.6x while Amasia is giving (-). Both same amount. Not sure if it's because of dividend (the negative return). Even if not negative, it's gave  ~1.2-1.3% compare to manulife.
*
Before you compare, try to take your units in AMReits x (1.56/100) and add to your total NAV. Then compare again. There is a distribution on 20/2/2017.

A noob will look through a key hole and make judgement. A non-noob will look at the ROI and risk aka volatility to make judgement. A wise one will look at ROI, the volatility and the corr-coeff to make a holistic portfolio judgement.

AMReits volatility = 5.XX%

Manulife Reits volatility = 8.XX%

Manulife Reits over the same tracking period (that is over past three years historically) do fluctuate more wildly compared to AmReits.

Xuzen

This post has been edited by xuzen: Feb 24 2017, 11:26 AM
Ramjade
post Feb 24 2017, 11:42 AM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 24 2017, 11:24 AM)
Before you compare, try to take your units in AMReits x (1.56/100) and add to your total NAV. Then compare again. There is a distribution on 20/2/2017.

A noob will look through a key hole and make judgement. A non-noob will look at the ROI and risk aka volatility to make judgement. A wise one will look at ROI, the volatility and the corr-coeff to make a holistic portfolio judgement.

AMReits volatility = 5.XX%

Manulife Reits volatility = 8.XX%

Manulife Reits over the same tracking period (that is over past three years historically) do fluctuate more wildly compared to AmReits.

Xuzen
*
I was talking about before distribution. Before distribution it was 1.2-1.3x while Manulife was at 3.6x%
puchongite
post Feb 24 2017, 11:53 AM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
33,590 posts

Joined: May 2008

Is it correct to say if there is a fed rates hike coming up, it will favour bond funds ?
killdavid
post Feb 24 2017, 11:54 AM

Senior Satire Officer
******
Senior Member
1,636 posts

Joined: Aug 2005
From: Vault 13



QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 24 2017, 11:53 AM)
Is it correct to say if there is a fed rates hike coming up, it will favour bond funds ?
*
As far as I know rate hikes are bad for bond pricing. Maybe some sifu can clarify ?
Ramjade
post Feb 24 2017, 12:06 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 24 2017, 11:53 AM)
Is it correct to say if there is a fed rates hike coming up, it will favour bond funds ?
*
Increase in rate is bad for bond and Reits. However unlike bond, reit can increaee rental to cover.

Think of it. If FD give 3% and bond give 3% and reit give 3%, which one will you choose?
inquiries
post Feb 24 2017, 01:53 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
273 posts

Joined: Jan 2017
QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 24 2017, 12:06 PM)
Increase in rate is bad for bond and Reits. However unlike bond, reit can increaee rental to cover.

Think of it. If FD give 3% and bond give 3% and reit give 3%, which one will you choose?
*
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertberger/2...s/#757d1ea35290

Interest rate vs bond
puchongite
post Feb 24 2017, 02:12 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
33,590 posts

Joined: May 2008
QUOTE(inquiries @ Feb 24 2017, 01:53 PM)
Thanks for quoting this article. Enlighten me about the mechanics.

TSAIYH
post Feb 24 2017, 02:19 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,166 posts

Joined: Jul 2016
QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 24 2017, 02:12 PM)
Thanks for quoting this article. Enlighten me about the mechanics.
*
Still depends on what types of bond does the fund invest in tongue.gif
puchongite
post Feb 24 2017, 02:20 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
33,590 posts

Joined: May 2008
QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 24 2017, 02:19 PM)
Still depends on what types of bond does the fund invest in tongue.gif
*
Care to elaborate why certain bonds will behave differently ?
TSAIYH
post Feb 24 2017, 02:26 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,166 posts

Joined: Jul 2016
QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 24 2017, 02:20 PM)
Care to elaborate why certain bonds will behave differently ?
*
For example, high yield bond funds is less impacted by interest rate compared to normal bond funds because high yield bonds tends to be factor more by the underlying bond credit risk (since they invest in lower credit rating companies)

Shorter duration bonds also less impacted compared to longer duration bonds since they mature fast and less impact on their valuation smile.gif
puchongite
post Feb 24 2017, 02:33 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
33,590 posts

Joined: May 2008
QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 24 2017, 02:26 PM)
For example, high yield bond funds is less impacted by interest rate compared to normal bond funds because high yield bonds tends to be factor more by the underlying bond credit risk (since they invest in lower credit rating companies)

Shorter duration bonds also less impacted compared to longer duration bonds since they mature fast and less impact on their valuation smile.gif
*
Thanks for bring out the high yield bond funds part, as I am still thinking if there is a 'better timing' to enter it.

killdavid
post Feb 24 2017, 02:38 PM

Senior Satire Officer
******
Senior Member
1,636 posts

Joined: Aug 2005
From: Vault 13



QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 24 2017, 02:26 PM)
For example, high yield bond funds is less impacted by interest rate compared to normal bond funds because high yield bonds tends to be factor more by the underlying bond credit risk (since they invest in lower credit rating companies)

Shorter duration bonds also less impacted compared to longer duration bonds since they mature fast and less impact on their valuation smile.gif
*
High Yield bond is also known as junk bonds or non investment bonds. They are loans to companies considered high risk due to their lower credit rating. So the more pressing risk is whether these company will default. But my understanding is they are also exposed to rate increase but this risk is lower compared to defaults.

We may not be so adversely affected depending on the fund that we buy. I think if you buy US bond fund then now is the time for you to find contingency. I think most of us buy MY, AP or EM bond fund, less effect. No direct impact but may feel secondary impact due to interconnecting factors.
TSAIYH
post Feb 24 2017, 07:31 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,166 posts

Joined: Jul 2016
To Avangelice and all our east malaysian buddies, do yourselves and the ones you care a favor by voting here:

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...aysia!-8040
TSAIYH
post Feb 24 2017, 07:35 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,166 posts

Joined: Jul 2016
QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 24 2017, 02:33 PM)
Thanks for bring out the high yield bond funds part, as I am still thinking if there is a 'better timing' to enter it.
*
QUOTE(killdavid @ Feb 24 2017, 02:38 PM)
High Yield bond is also known as junk bonds or non investment bonds. They are loans to companies considered high risk due to their lower credit rating. So the more pressing risk is whether these company will default. But my understanding is they are also exposed to rate increase but this risk is lower compared to defaults.

We  may not be so adversely affected depending on the fund that we buy. I think if you buy US bond fund then now is the time for you to find contingency.  I think most of us buy MY, AP or EM bond fund, less effect. No direct impact but may feel secondary impact due to interconnecting factors.
*
killdavid is right about this.

I think i shared something similar in fsm sg thread, as below:

QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 14 2017, 09:49 AM)
From Investopedia : Are High-Yield Bonds Too Risky?
You should care more about the default risk for high yield bond, because those companies with low credit rating are the ones that provide the high bond yield to attract capital investment to compensate their higher risk of default
*
drew86
post Feb 24 2017, 07:47 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
197 posts

Joined: Sep 2007
QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 24 2017, 07:31 PM)
To Avangelice and all our east malaysian buddies, do yourselves and the ones you care a favor by voting here:

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...aysia!-8040
*
Awesome! Thanks for sharing. Vote casted! Now keepin fingers crossed. I think there is no longer any doubt FSM had spies in here. Whoever you are..keep listening to your clients, we are your source of revenue wink.gif
skynode
post Feb 24 2017, 07:51 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
175 posts

Joined: Dec 2007
*NOOB QUESTION ALERT*

If I buy into a fund using Cash Management Fund (CMF), how do I adjust my excel spreadsheet to reflect the transaction?
Is it :
(A) sell CMF + buy said fund?
OR
(B) switching from CMF to said fund?

hmm.gif
TSAIYH
post Feb 24 2017, 07:53 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,166 posts

Joined: Jul 2016
QUOTE(skynode @ Feb 24 2017, 07:51 PM)
*NOOB QUESTION ALERT*

If I buy into a fund using Cash Management Fund (CMF), how do I adjust my excel spreadsheet to reflect the transaction?
Is it :
(A) sell CMF + buy said fund?
OR
(B) switching from CMF to said fund?

hmm.gif
*
I think is the same, but entry wise, A will be more appropriate
Avangelice
post Feb 24 2017, 08:00 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
5,271 posts

Joined: Jun 2008


QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 24 2017, 07:31 PM)
To Avangelice and all our east malaysian buddies, do yourselves and the ones you care a favor by voting here:

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...aysia!-8040
*
done thank you!!
mois
post Feb 24 2017, 08:23 PM

Enemy Territory
*******
Senior Member
3,625 posts

Joined: Nov 2007
From: Hornbill land



QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 24 2017, 08:00 PM)
done thank you!!
*
You from sarawak also ka? Kuching?

1553 Pages « < 48 49 50 51 52 > » Top
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0204sec    0.49    6 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 30th November 2025 - 05:11 PM