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post Feb 9 2017, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 9 2017, 03:59 PM)
Yes and this is what scares me....

I need to use my wisdom and human intellect on this.

On one hand the numbers inputted into Algozen™ is saying sai-lang into Asia Pac ex Japan.....

On another hand my fear factor is making me hold back (after all I am still a human not robot, meaning I still possess greed and fear).

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Good to still be human. After all the market reacts rather strongly to psychology and sentiments.
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post Feb 14 2017, 12:01 PM

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Much agreed. From a layman's perspective, I don't think "skimming" profit actually does anything to protect capital or mitigate risk (if only the profit portion is sold). Plus the money will be floating yet again for the entire duration of the switch/buy/sell transactions AND you will have to incur SC once again when buying into another equity (not if intra switch/credit ninja trick is performed).

Furthermore, isn't selling off and buy back when low "timing the market?" Let's not get back into that. If one can do it timely and consistently, good for you! I know I can't..

The only time skimming profit to put in another less performing/greater bullish potential fund, in my opinion is when there is no new capital injection and thus performing rebalancing of the portfolio. Otherwise why not just VCA and avoid the "expensive" fund for the tine being?

Please correct me if I'm having the wrong perception of things here. After all I'm still learning as I'm investing.
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post Feb 14 2017, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 14 2017, 12:10 PM)
Different people have different view maybe biggrin.gif

If really want to skim or transfer your money into different funds in different timing to maximize growth opportunity, try to invest in the funds that the fund house has several good equities and bonds arsenal, so that you can intra switch between them in different times of the bull bear cycles smile.gif

Fund houses like Eastspring, Affin Hwang and CIMB are actually good fund houses with free switching smile.gif
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True that. However what if one is doing DCA say RM200/month, wouldn't it be better to channel the RM200 to other less "expensive" funds rather than skimming the profit earlier and then incur SC again to DCA into the said fund? A bit redundant in my view. What would you or others do?

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 14 2017, 12:18 PM)
If you guys really want profit skimming and injecting the said profits back to a fund you can start investing in dividend paying stocks and hold it for a long time, the dividends is then channeled from your bank account and into your unit trust portfolio.

That is what I am doing currently. Leaving my unit trust investment as a long term vehicle (as it should be) whist concentrating on my stock account.
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+1 Good idea. Personally I'm not at all informed about stocks and its technicalities as an investment vehicle. Not sure if I have the balls to jump on board. Anyways never too late to learn something new. OT a bit: any suggestions where to learn about stocks for beginners?

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post Feb 14 2017, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 14 2017, 01:12 PM)
QUOTE(wodenus @ Feb 14 2017, 01:34 PM)
You don't need balls you just need a lot of money and time. I think there's a stock thread, you can read there and see.. TLDR you have to do your due diligence - visit the company that you are planning to invest in, if they own hotels etc. visit it, stay there for a while to get a feel of how the run things. Read the annual reports, interim reports etc - be very aware that "creative accounting" can be used, so don't rely on that 100%.

And then technicals of course.. the trend and volume. Stuff like P/E and a whole lot of stats that I've already forgotten - price/sales ratio, EPS etc.

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Thanks!

QUOTE(skynode @ Feb 14 2017, 03:52 PM)
How many years have you practised as a doctor?  Do you often hunt extra income through locums?
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You can guess from his age. I believe he owns a clinic so he's either locuming for himself or hiring locums. Anyway why do all these matter?

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post Feb 14 2017, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(skynode @ Feb 14 2017, 04:03 PM)
Where's the number?
Coz I am in the same line of work as him.  LoL.  Just curious how do people earn extra dough from doing this shit nowadays.
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Start preparing your resume and PM Avangelice LOL
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post Feb 15 2017, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 15 2017, 06:22 PM)
I think I can answer your question. People can just switch from equity > bond > cmf thus earning credits point. Remembr the ninja credit trick? Now is a good time to do it. That way your profit/whole fund is safe if correction happen assuming the person withdraw all out.

Wait for it to hit almost bottom, then use the credits earned to buy units at low price (principal + profit pumped back in) without incurring service charge (use the credit points) rclxms.gif You are also effectively getting more units/price. That way, you will have more profit than let the fund sit there in the red when it return to normal.

Hope you can understand what I am saying. It's like stocks. No different as UT is basically a basket of stocks.

Of course one can sit there and don't do anything.
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Did that right after POTUS election. Regretted because the bonds suffered then when equities flourished. Also regretted that my money got stuck in a float from eq>bond and i can't sell off the bonds before it continued to drop further. After that had to transfer the bond from one fund house to another to utilise the credits for the fi>eq switch. But of course all these lag time become meaningless if you know for sure when is the peak and trough. It did however help me understand the credit system to a greater extent, so I hope my experience helps other investors to even better utilise it.

Points to take note of the credit ninja system:
1. Transaction lag time
2. Fund initial investment, minimum holding, minimum redemption amount. (Applies to both fi and eq) this point will be less significant if total investment amount is large.
3. Might need to have bond holdings over a couple of fund houses to fully utilise credits, so local MY bond exposure is inevitable.

As for me, I think I'll let the FM do the buy/sell n market timing crap which I'm very poor at. Can't get lucky all the time. Win some lose some. As long as long term win win.

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post Feb 15 2017, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 15 2017, 10:10 PM)
ah yes. I was looking for you. you were the poor sap that did the ninja trick during trump election. how much did you lost from there bro?
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Didn't go about with the "what ifs" calculations. One thing for sure I have already more thanrecovered losses from bonds by switching to Esther bond and TA Dana Afif(my proxy to utilise credit for TAGT topups). My "losses" were mostly from switching out of Titans and Ponzi 2.0 then (due to the floats and lag times while trying to go into TAGT and RHBAIF). Both Titans and Ponzi were green then. I think it dipped when i switched out and climbed when my cash is floating in space..pfft!

So yeah there's that. Let bygones be bygones. Valuable lesson learnt. To the future! Huat ah!
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post Feb 15 2017, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Feb 15 2017, 09:58 PM)

anyway...just realised that, these moves will not mitigate much in case of corrections were to happens..
for I just moved 10% only...if it drops 10% NAV...only extra 1% of nav will be affected.......just that I foresee to use this money next year...so for shiok sendiri..I prepared it now.
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Exactly my point..hence I've been wondering what do you guys mean when u say skim profit. Only way to take profit will be to sell all, pray for NAV to drop and reenter. But if after selling the bulls continue on a stampede then kiss the fund goodbye till the day the bears come knockin
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post Feb 16 2017, 06:40 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 15 2017, 11:52 PM)
yep exactly. that's why I'm not selling any units until the entire portfolio is self propelling for the next 5 years to 6 years.

when I hit 38 is when I should be financially free.
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Sounds like u got a pretty solid plan in place. With your practice churning high income for capital injection into your investment vehicles, I have no doubt you will achieve it in no time. All the best bro!
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post Feb 18 2017, 05:52 PM

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I have noticed that quite a number of portfolios have allocated a substantial portion into rhb EMBF. Would just like to point out that the volatility is by no means reflective of a normal FI fund, of course neither does the return. Something to keep in mind during %allocation.
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post Feb 18 2017, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Feb 18 2017, 06:08 PM)

Care to elaborate? Do you imply that the fund manager is departing from the fund's strategy/mandate or he is doing something sketchy?
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No. I'm just pointing out that despite it being a bond fund, its volatility and returns are in fact more similar to a balanced/eq fund. Hence one should keep that in mind instead of allocating a high % thinking it is a portfolio stabilizer with amazing returns. Personally I treat it as part of my eq portion smile.gif
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post Feb 24 2017, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 24 2017, 07:31 PM)
To Avangelice and all our east malaysian buddies, do yourselves and the ones you care a favor by voting here:

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...aysia!-8040
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Awesome! Thanks for sharing. Vote casted! Now keepin fingers crossed. I think there is no longer any doubt FSM had spies in here. Whoever you are..keep listening to your clients, we are your source of revenue wink.gif
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post Feb 27 2017, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Feb 27 2017, 12:42 PM)
FSM is calling for votes on where to hold a seminar in EM.. EM people, don't forget to vote smile.gif
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Done so! Hope they announce the seminar dates soon.
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post Mar 6 2017, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 6 2017, 07:11 PM)
just a few days ago,...there was a mention of CMF vs FD.....
here now FSM tells you.....
How This Portfolio Out Beats Your FD Rate? [6 March 2017]
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...arch-2017--8077
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This strategy crossed my mind before as an alternative to ASN FP funds which are near impossible to get. Well..will just procrastinate a wee bit longer.

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 6 2017, 07:16 PM)
wah lao. I'm impressed but at the same time I'm feeling a little disturbed by it.
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How so?
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post Mar 6 2017, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 6 2017, 07:36 PM)

Well I aren't going to buy from them if I can help it IF eUT can offer 0% SC for bond funds above RM5k purchase. Only if eUT offer that, I will buy from them. Until then, continue to pay platform fees yearly  ranting.gif  vmad.gif  bangwall.gif

Will need to moniter if eUT have 0% for Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund.

tonytyk do you have Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund with eUT? If yes, any charges when you buy from them?
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Interested to know too. Where can we find that min 5k purchase waive SC statement? Their web interface is a pain in the arse to use..
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post Mar 7 2017, 07:20 AM

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Isn't platform fees for bond funds only 0.2% a year? Pretty negligible IMO..not worth the time n effort to travel etc. Unless its a hugeee amount and for a long holding period. Ramjade young padawan you will learn one day;)

Xuzen's got a very valid point there. Hence I have made a list of assets/accounts to attach to my will in case I pass on early. Not that I have much, but thought it be best to reduce the hassle going hunting for em. However I'm all for a separate platform for UT investment..reason being I'm not comfortable leaving most of my investments in the hands of iFAST alone. What if they just disappear one day? How and when are we gona get our funds/cash back?

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post Mar 13 2017, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 13 2017, 10:51 AM)

p/s

Ini bulan kasi enter Selina 1K, Esther 1K dan RHB EMB 2K.
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Ini bulan i assume you're waiting to enter after Mar 15?
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post Mar 17 2017, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 17 2017, 10:37 PM)
What are the chances for the fund to move to 21% vs 9%? I think chances for it to drop is higher than for it to hit 21% hmm.gif 

My thinking once it reached a certain target, withdraw all and put into the select bond fund. Then wait. Eg 15% returns. After all it's already 15% return in less than a year. Even if didn't pump back inside after one year, the return is already 15% pa. Still decent...
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And what if u dont feel lucky enough to re-enter? Again it's a dilemma in UTF investment. There just isn't a clear cut "resistance" or "support" point to TP/SL at.

I'm as clueless as some people here are. On one hand I would like to just reap the profits in the long run regardless of the volatility. On the other, why let profits dwindle? No right or wrong.. I hope some veterans can shed some light.
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post Mar 31 2017, 07:29 AM

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With the recent glut of comments, troll or not, it seems many have skipped their basic risk assessment and portfolio allocation before jumping into purchasing funds cos everyone else is chasing after it. Chill guys..
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post Apr 3 2017, 04:01 PM

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My heart can't take it..lol

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