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post Feb 9 2017, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(mois @ Feb 9 2017, 02:04 PM)
Edited: Sailang AMreits too!  rclxm9.gif
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post Feb 9 2017, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(wayne84 @ Feb 9 2017, 02:26 PM)
Parking first ..FSM v18 (mesti huat)

Most of us just avoid major topping up
and dont focus on msia fund too much as lack of positive factor that making msia market look attractive. Actually most of us are collecting bullet... political factor may also another factor that i will hold, wait n see...
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Actually I feel like sai lang into Asia Pacific ex Japan wor.... tangan darn itchy liao!

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post Feb 9 2017, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(wayne84 @ Feb 9 2017, 03:21 PM)
ur Algozen say ok to sai lang ??
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Yes and this is what scares me....

I need to use my wisdom and human intellect on this.

On one hand the numbers inputted into Algozen™ is saying sai-lang into Asia Pac ex Japan.....

On another hand my fear factor is making me hold back (after all I am still a human not robot, meaning I still possess greed and fear).

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post Feb 9 2017, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(spiderman17 @ Feb 9 2017, 05:19 PM)
How often do you speak to algozen? Monthly? Weekly?
If on the next session it still says the same thing, maybe we should all sailang laugh.gif
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Now, after CNY less hectic time, perhaps will monitor forthnightly versus monthly...

QUOTE(OptimusStar @ Feb 9 2017, 06:25 PM)
Guys , need some advice here.
I have invested same amount in both CIMB Titans and AP means my investment portfolio is 50% 50%/ . Now the NAV value is 20% higher, and for both fund there was no distribution last year.  I understand from this forum if the price drop next year, i dont get anything

So in my current situation , what should i do? Since the NAV price is high now, i think it doesnt make sense to do a top up ? Does this mean i need to sell both the funds , enjoy the profit and reinvest into another fund with lower NAV?

Or is there another strategy here?
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Listen to T231H, our resident FSM spy contributor here, use the profit and buy something naiz for your lady friend this valentine!

QUOTE(T231H @ Feb 9 2017, 07:16 PM)
if your concern is you will not get anything if the price dropped......why not sell off the profits amount and go buy yourselve something nice or good to have?
Else if there is nothing material to do with the profit.....you can switch that profits into cmf or aniista bond fund for some diversification n some dry powder.
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Hear hear!

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 9 2017, 07:32 PM)
optimus this is the very reason why we practice diversification when one fund isn't doing good you can sleep easily that the other three funds are helping you cover the lost.

also doing research into what you are buying helps. so when you know a country is going through a turbulent time you can make an informed knowledge to continue on, top up or switch.
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Optimus Prime isn't very optimistic is he?

QUOTE(chyz66 @ Feb 9 2017, 07:52 PM)
Just added selina into my portfolio this week, may the green force with us!
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post Feb 9 2017, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Feb 9 2017, 08:42 PM)
Psssst! before FSM upgrade this ......

Moody's raises Indonesia outlook
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asean/1195...donesia-outlook
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for those undecided , fickle minded or those prefering all you can type buffer style.... try CIMB threesome fun d
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AIYH, you are right! The Threesome fun d has a risk adjusted reward ratio that is better than each individual funds. This is a clear demonstration of diversification at work!

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 10 2017, 09:41 AM)
Good stuff man !

Xuzen is just talking about sai lang Asia Pacific, and he himself hasn't got the gut to do it yet, you are ahead of him.

Now Xuzen tailgates you !

And you can shout to everyone: "Eat my dust!"   rclxms.gif
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I think I will stick to DCA. Reason as below:

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p/s I will continue with my slow and steady (tortoise speed) DCA into Asia Pac ex japan UTF. Don't be greedy, earn enough = happy liao. Lesson learned: Most important in life is can sleep soundly in bed.



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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 10 2017, 12:44 PM)
continue on!! there's more upside this year for malaysia with our elections coming in. if BN wins there will be more upside. sad to say foreign investors don't care about kronism and dictatorships. all they want is stability and status quo.
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What do you think friend Avangelice?

Do you care who is in charge of Thailand, be it the red shirt or yellow shirt? As a investor, do you put much emphasis on cronyism and dictatorship when you invest into Thailand?
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 10 2017, 02:57 PM)
When did you enter the China fund ? I looked at the chart, it is twinned peaked at around May15 and Oct 15, if you had entered at other time, your losses won't be 15-20%.
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I entered in mid Apr 2015 and exited in end of Sep 2015.... (CIMB Principle Greater China)
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 10 2017, 05:15 PM)
you overzealous? buy and sell within the same year. and looks like you missed the upside after that. ever had any regret over the lost?

don't worry I made the same mistake with GTF back in 2015. traded it like it was a stock. noob mistake on my part.
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Algozen™ was created by me somewhere end of 2014 and in its initial stage it was a crude attempt. Version one was experimental, version two was forgetable and currently I am using version three. I did upgrade and refining it as I progress on the learning curve.

Version one I used to narrow data, that is, one year historical. I learnt my lesson then, now I use longer period data.

Nonetheless, it was a learning experience and when noob comes along and say timing the market and whats not, I smiled coz it reminded me of my own experience.

In hindsight you may say look! You should have held on to it, bla bla bla yadda yadda yadda. But remember when you are actually in it, during that phase, actually experiencing it, your emotion will be different. Know yourself, and half the battle is won - Sun Tzu.

Regrets? Look at the chart again, if I did not sell, the Jan 2016 drop was even more severe (due to the China circuit - breaker fiasco) I don't think my heart would be able to take it...

Oh well! Live and let learn.

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Feb 10 2017, 06:01 PM)
Exactly. That's small step in the graph but it's 20% !!!
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Imagine if I held on to Jan 2016, it would have been a minus forty percent plunge, no longer consider a dip or drop!

BTW, UTF must be hot again... so many noob participants. I remember half a year ago, many were saying UTF suxs, ASX FP rulez etc.... It is all a cycle.

On the subject of DCA, there is no hard and fast rule... but you may consider this: If you have MYR X amt. Take one year to DCA in, if the amount MYR X is large like MYR 50K or more.

If you DCA fortnighly, then MYR X divided by 26, if you choose to DCA monthly, then MYR X divided by twelve payments.

If you are too free nothing to do and want to perform DCA weekly, then MYR X divide by 52. Should the MYR X is too small amount and after divided is below the minimum amount, then you should do monthly or quarterly.

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QUOTE(Eddy924 @ Feb 10 2017, 08:03 PM)
Do u guys think it's worth to pay little bit more sc (5.5 vs 2) on buying the funds with bank? Coz in FSM all depends on personal experience & awareness, while in bank at least there is one person ready for your enquiry, although noted FSM have client support channel via email, however recent enquiry reply like "copy paste" statement, I don't find their advice to me is constructive. But i aware lower SC = faster to break even, to see the return. And my investment plan start with minimal purchase then constantly dump in money for long term investment. Need some suggestion here, do u all start with self study on funds (through FSM) or learn from banker first?
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Many of us start off with agents, such as Public Mutual. That is why we are less "kan-cheong". All the anxiousness we push to the agents. After a few years, when you are more familiar with participation in unit trust fund, then you may detach from agent and DIY.

QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 10 2017, 09:15 PM)
I think you need to take a chill pill bro. come on loosen up a little. have a glass of Scottish gin and tonic
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The way he sound, I bet scots and gin will not help. He needs triple shot of Moatai plus absinthe plus vodka plus a tab of Valium for good measure.

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Feb 11 2017, 11:08 AM)
Indeed, Asian markets are trending up too much and too fast...but based on my research they are still very much undervalued relative to the US. In fact, looking at the indices, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Malaysia, China and India are all below their early 2015 peak. Plus, China just released favorable trade data on Friday. Plus Trump seems to be warning up to both Japan and China now. So, not really sure what the catalyst will be for a correction in Asia in the near term - perhaps there simply won't be one.
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You make a statement, but then says not sure... hence you sound like those kopitiam uncle. All talk but dare not substantiate.

You want to make statement then you need to analyse, come to a conclusion, make inference, make logical deduction etc to back your assertion. If not you sound like kopitiam feller and wasting post count only.

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Feb 11 2017, 11:57 AM)
Wow, wow. Do you even understand what I said?

I made a statement that Asia is undervalued. I made a statement that most Asian indices are below their highs of early 2015. I made a statement that China has released great trade data on Friday. I made a statement that Trump has warmed up to China and Japan.

Four statements. All to back up my point that Asia may still have much room to trend upwards, and that a correction may not be due after all in the near term (1-2 months) in Asia.

I'm sorry but I don't speak in absolutes. Only a fool will do so when speaking about financial markets.

You seem to be a very problematic person to deal with.
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Perhaps problematic to you. Perhaps it is just that I'd read a lot of financial / analyst reports written by fund manaers. It is perhaps my personal opinion that when I read a report, I usually expect the analyst / author to state his call on the subject matter which is very common. If there are none (which is uncommon), then to me, that report is a waste of time and suitable for rubbish bin.

Perhaps I am wrong to assign such standard to you. My apologies friend contestchris.

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QUOTE(john123x @ Feb 11 2017, 12:05 PM)
Xuzen, mind posting your latest portfolio?

The last time i view your portfolio, you been loaded with amreits, bout 40%
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I am still overweight on AMREITs.

AMREITS 40% (unchanged)
RHB AIF 20% (was 40% formerly)
AHAM SBF aka Esther Bond fund 20% (split halve from RHB AIF)
India 10% (maintain)
TAGTF 10% (decreased from 15%)

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p/s I am very overweight on Asia Pac ex Japan region.

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QUOTE(john123x @ Feb 11 2017, 12:12 PM)
Maybe i mistaken you with other person that sailang into affin hwang Asia ex japan quantum.
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I have never participated in AHAM Quantum aka Ponzi 1.0. It got rejected by Algozen™ so far, perhaps because of its unfavourable risk to reward ratio. Somehow when imputed into Algozen™, she is consistently in favour of Ponzi Two aka CIMB Asia - Pac ex Japan Dynamic fund.

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QUOTE(David3700 @ Feb 11 2017, 12:40 PM)
Well, a very different approach......
A lot of ppl (incl me) is owning so call "star" funds as mentioned in Page 1  biggrin.gif
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Well not many people are familiar with Modern portfolio theory. Even if they have heard about it, not many can or wield it proficiently. It is like the nunchuk weapon made famous by Bruce Lee bruce.gif , cool weapon but very unwieldy.

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 11 2017, 12:41 PM)
Despite focusing in ASEAN, ponzi 1 turns out to have better RRR than Ponzi 2, prehaps aussie, chinese and indians are very volatile these 3 years sweat.gif
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Friend AIYH,
The statement you made, is incorrect as shown below. Perhaps your data is not up to date? Or perhaps you need a trip to an optometrist?
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Feb 11 2017, 02:12 PM)
Hmm last week when I check, ponzi 1  volatility is 9.7x and RRR 1.4x while ponzi 2 is having 12.2x and RRR 1.21 sweat.gif laugh.gif
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Quite number of times I heard that investing in UTF is more expensive than buying stock market directly. So, let me do some number crunching for the benefit of all.

Stock-market
My knowledge of stock market is a bit out-dated and my info is based on my last time when I was a stock market participant through OSK Investment Bank (many years ago, and at that time, calling your broker on the phone is still common). The charge levied upon me is 0.6%. Min brokerage is MYR 40.00 per transaction. So, to maximize the transaction, each tranche should be 40 divided by 0.006 equal to MYR 6,666.67. Anything below this MYR 6,666.67 threshold, you will still pay MYR 40.00 broker fee as that is the minimum.

UTF
For UTF, you pay 2% entrance fee each time you inject fresh capital. MYR 2,000.00 x 2% equals to MYR 40.00. Lets say you pump in MYR 200.00 x 2% = MYR 4.00 entrance fee.

The above I want to highlight is that often people will say UTF fee is expensive. But they forget to put it into proper context or perspective. When you buy a stock, unless your capital injected per transaction is large, the percentage you pay as broker fee is actually more substantial than UTF.

If you are a small ikan-bilis player and only have like MYR 200 per month to invest, which method gives you a more cost efficient way access to the stock market?

So, many are repeating something they read from somewhere or something they heard from someone, without further investigating, and they prematurely think that UTF is expensive.

Not so, if your amount is small. Stock can be more expensive. And don't forget, stock is charged both ways... that is entry and exit. So the total cost = 0.6 x 2 = 1.2%. Not that far from UTF.





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