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adele123
post Feb 23 2017, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Feb 23 2017, 09:54 AM)
either not making money or scare away by sifus here d  biggrin.gif
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or quietly making money and not showing results to us...

i'm curious... not because i will do the same, but genuinely curious.
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post Feb 24 2017, 07:57 AM

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QUOTE(Nemozai @ Feb 23 2017, 09:13 PM)
Under 1 years returns, I see that certain funds offer 40++% returns.
This seems unrealistic to me  blink.gif Or this is how it is supposed to be? rclxms.gif (I don't know, need your advice)

Can I assume that this is due to the facts that these funds had just launched and this is the results of volatility?
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As you yourself have mentioned, it's for 1 year. indeed if you invest exactly a year ago, this will be the return. but it's definitely not sustainable.

which is why if you look at the annualised return for past 10 years, it's about 10+%.


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post Mar 1 2017, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(skynode @ Feb 28 2017, 10:26 PM)
NOOB QUESTION ALERT :

Should I really include Cash Management Fund into the Polarbearz Excel?  Wouldn't it screw up the entire portfolio allocation analysis? 
Ideally we want to analyse our percentages of equities and bonds, but CMF is almost like savings account.  Kindly enlighten me.
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actually there's no wrong or right. My personal preference, i didn't include the CMF money in my portfolio monitoring. To be fair, i didn't do any selling profit taking, etc.

So, it is enough by purely monitoring my invested funds. Also because i treat CMF like my savings account not FI, so i have too many transactions to monitor.


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post Mar 2 2017, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(skynode @ Mar 2 2017, 08:40 PM)
Dear Sifus, I am trying to adopt a value cost averaging approach to my portfolio. How do you think I best do this? Top up every month on the fund in reds?
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confused.gif if you want to adopt VCA, then both your questions seems abit weird...

it's more like how frequent... and how much is your target.

VCA will still topup if fund is green.

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post Mar 6 2017, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 6 2017, 07:42 AM)
I don't do property flipping so that house is for my own and future family. personally feel that property flipping brings bad karma as it affects other young couples who want to buy a home and we are the ones stopping them from doing so not the developers.
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cry.gif strongly agree with the above though the season-ed property investor would not care...

PS: don't really need to argue about CMF vs savings account or CMF vs Fixed Deposit. it's a good tool to achieve a certain purpose. I have been using CMF as a tool to grow my savings as well. It is the parking place of my short-term savings, as well as transferring it to the equity funds when it’s time for me to invest.

While it takes 2 working days to liquidate, note that I am willing to sacrifice that over 0% in savings account or 3.00% for normal 1-month FD. When I accumulate enough, then I park it into promo FD giving me say 4% or something. Even that, it’s just for the cash I’m not investing. Even if I’m investing them, I still put them in CMF instead of 1-month FD before I move to other investing instruments. 3%+ is a lot for minimal effort.

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Mar 6 2017, 03:31 PM)
means probably wednesday
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wednesday after 12pm.

This is my personal experience.
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post Mar 7 2017, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(em0kia @ Mar 7 2017, 09:08 AM)
hi guys, may i know is there a page in FSM website that states all the costs for investing via FSM? I am reading a book currently and the author recommends low cost index funds over mutual funds for the reason that mutual funds often possess a lot of hidden charges. hmm.gif
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Your book is probably US-centric. The problem for us in malaysia is that we don't have access to such index funds.

There is also exchange traded funds that can be alternative.

Btw, those charges are not hidden if you read the materials thoroughly. They do disclose.
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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Mar 7 2017, 03:32 PM)
Actually ive always seen ppl advise to buy prs for the tax relief . Is it worth it to get your money locked up for so long? Sure u might get an instant 2x % return, but if u can only withdraw it in 20++ years, that means u are only getting a ~1% return p.a.
Is it worth it with only limited fund choice?
Does this makes sense?
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Er... what gives you guarantee 20% return in this world?

Even if this money is stuck for 20years, it's not like this money won't grow at all, maybe it will not be much, I doubt it will be that bad that 20years later it is negative growth. If 3-4% a year, equivalent to fixed deposit, alot of ppl are happy.

Also... the money you save, can be use to make more money. If not, at least still can dump into housing loan, reduce some interest right?
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post Mar 9 2017, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(fun_feng @ Mar 8 2017, 04:16 PM)
Maybe I did not make my sentence clearer...
What i meant was the initial tax relief you got when amortised (new word to me) over a long period of time, the advantage is probably not going to worth it for all the hassle of PRS..
E.g. you get 20% tax rebate from the PRS, and you still have 20 years before you can withdraw this money. This works out to roughly 1% p.a. which means  whatever your PRS return was that year, you add 1% return to it.
So this versus you put this money into FSM or whatever and actively manage it whereby you are free to choose between hundreds of UT products and you are free to withdraw all during a freefall..

Hope you get the gist of what I am trying to say, I aint well-versed in economic terms.. I am not disputing the power of compound interest or UT in general

My point is there are pros and cons and probably more cons than what ppl thought.
E.g. If we have a retiree-gonna-be, then this PRS income tax relief is a no brainer, since he is going to get his money back within a few years
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Not disagreeing with you. but another perspective is this
1) alot of them dont need the 3k now. For me, Some of the PRS funds are perfectly fine in terms of returns vs volatility (not sure about expenses though, maybe i should research on it)
2) not fair to amortise it over 20 years lo. it's still your money, cannot withdraw only...
3) i agree with the hundreds of fund to choose from... but for those who don't manage their finances well, this is one method lo.
4) those who manage finances well, can't help but just want to capitalise on the tax savings.

Like you have said, maybe one should be more selective about the prs funds they chose, rather than just pick one and leave it as it is. if not the returns does not justify the tax savings gained 20 years ago...

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QUOTE(Nemozai @ Mar 13 2017, 11:10 AM)
GF want higher rate than FD, I ask her sai lang to Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund, is it okay? No need customize also like Fundsupermart right ? Feel other funds just dragging Esther down. cool2.gif

Can I know what can happen to fixed income fund during market reset or big financial crisis (like the one during 2008)? I saw Esther's fund in 2008 doesn't sink much.  hmm.gif
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long story short... bond fund does fluctuate. look at bond funds in 2013. it's actually worse off than the one last year.

btw, it did fluctuate in 2008. there's a slight dip. graph looks smaller when data goes to 10 years, vertical axis showing less. just zoom in to feel the volatility.

PS: i'm not a fan of bond fund, also my timing with bond fund has been just bad... also, i am too lazy to do homework for 6%... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 13 2017, 10:51 AM)
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Ini bulan kasi guna referral token beli selina fund. ikut pak cik xuzen...

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 14 2017, 09:16 AM)
Sorry Kakak Adele123, referral token nih ape? Gua pakai wrap akaun, tak tahu fasal itu ape referral token, nijer trick etc...

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aku guna itu FSM, refer orang, ada referral token, one-time use, 1% sales charge.

aku tarak wrap akaun
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 14 2017, 10:52 AM)
Same like, how many of u really...let's say, u go to bank deposit cheque for RM1K. Do u really go check 1-2 days later whether it cleared? Or u withdraw RM1.5K from ATM...do u immediately go check your bank balance correct or not?

We have come to the age where we can sufficiently rely and trust on our technologies. smile.gif
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Just to chip in another opinion. I agree with your point, barking up the right tree.

just on the bolded statement. I personally work in financial industry. I have seen a lot of BS things can go wrong with technology. which is sad.

BUT... FSM has not disappoint so far. Though i do check all my transactions (except CMF and distribution). I do admit being a bit micro-managing craziness in some of my money matter
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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 16 2017, 08:43 AM)
extend the rows to accommodated the number of funds required in your portfolio?
unless the number of funds in your portfolio exceeded the number of rows in the excel programs....
I think is > 10 000 rows
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2007 excel onwards can cater 1million rows.

to ask FSM to cater for IRR will be too difficult. One should just pay for those paid apps/software if one wants
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Mar 16 2017, 10:16 AM)
I don't mind paying. I suck in excel. do you have one?
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Sorry can't help. Heard from a friend who googled to look for one. but was like $70 or something... Not sure if the friend bought it though

I'm sure there are plenty out there, sadly i don't have any recommendation since i stick to tracking by excel.
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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Mar 16 2017, 01:02 PM)
Are there any other equity PRS funds that you guys would recommend me to explore (not solely invested in Malaysia and it has to be an equity fund) ?
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I have chosen to invest in CIMB Asia Pacific PRS Fund since 2014.

For those who do not want pure malaysia exposure, fund choices are not plenty, makes it easier to choose i think.
1) Affin Hwang PRS
2) Am Asia Reits PRS
3) the fund mentioned above.
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 16 2017, 02:58 PM)
Which affin hwang do you mean?
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affin hwang prs growth and moderate (non-syariah).
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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 20 2017, 06:20 PM)
If...if....if...so easy to do stock picking by DIY,    .......all the funds with all their resources will easily keep their funds performance on a straight upward trends....
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It's not easy, that's why you spend effort and time for it. i think the other meant it as a joke, but no denying that there is less effort involved in 'just' investing via Unit Trust.

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QUOTE(Steven7 @ Mar 24 2017, 02:01 AM)
Damn I got in the market at the wrong time (Tuesday buy, now is already priced). Should I exercise cooling off? smile.gif
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QUOTE(T231H @ Mar 24 2017, 07:31 AM)
it is up to you to decide whether you should you exercise cooling off right....

but there are some T & C on cooling off right.
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/faq/2...-Off-Right-1571

hmm.gif just wondering,...no right or wrong.....
how can one stay invested when they have the fear when ever there is a bit of shake out in the markets....just like last Tuesday (which happened to be just 1 day affair).....should they be really honest to themselves and evaluate whether Unit trust investment is really suitable for them.....there is no shame of just go back to FD....."Safe, known the ROI and stay on duration".
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I don't know about the person above but i do know that for new investors, myself included, the ups and downs of the market initially may seem scary. After awhile, whether you call it experience or not, you will get used to it. It takes time to build courage, for lack of better word.

I've lost money, i've gained money, i have funds down 15% after 3 months (no eye see), so ya, such is the life...

it's impossible to get it right all the time, if you do, means you can tell the future. if you can predict or tell the future, pretty sure there are better things to do.

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QUOTE(ganaesan @ Mar 30 2017, 11:30 PM)
Thanks ...

Then i should buy it as tom is last day...

RM2k enough?
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Please note the Mnet forummer is, quite a troll.

While I personally did not buy into affin hwang select quantum fund, it is a fund with good performance. For someone who bought kgf and escf, the affin hwang, aka ponzi 1 may not be the best diversification. You are still very exposed to malaysia market. If that is what you want, then fine. If not, then think about it and dont buy into it because it is closing up.

There are other funds. Note that the fund is focusing on small cap companies, hence usually more volatile.

Like another forummer predicted, everyone rushing to top up. Hahah...

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