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post Nov 3 2017, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 3 2017, 12:04 PM)
cry.gif my IRR had been impotent  cry.gif  cry.gif  brows.gif
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Your IRR is close to double from the lowest point right? Its annualised returns so it takes a lot of effort to catch up for a portfolio more than 3 years.


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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 3 2017, 12:04 PM)
cry.gif my IRR had been impotent  cry.gif  cry.gif  brows.gif
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See what I mean? When you use large data set, now you will not be so " shiok " sendiri....

Newbies, be warned.

Because I see these noobs, like only five mths or six months data set, get IRR double digit = so high = shiok sendiri. Have to bring them down to reality a bit.

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post Nov 3 2017, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 3 2017, 12:31 PM)
See what I mean? When you use large data set, now you will not be so " shiok " sendiri....

Newbies, be warned.

Because I see these noobs, like only five mths or six months data set, get IRR double digit = so high = shiok sendiri. Have to bring them down to reality a bit.

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Chill, I also aim 6 - 10% IRR only since I plan to invest in long term, it is hard to maintain 2digits IRR for long term for sure

But the fact is, FSM managed portfolio team is doing good so far
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post Nov 3 2017, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 3 2017, 12:04 PM)
cry.gif my IRR had been impotent  cry.gif  cry.gif  brows.gif
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Mind to share on your current portfolio?
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post Nov 3 2017, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(walkman660 @ Nov 3 2017, 12:44 PM)
Mind to share on your current portfolio?
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started Jan 2017 with approximately as attached

now latest action
reduced
Ponzi 1.0 to 12%.......reducing again in Jan...moving it out to Ponzi 2.0 if the BAD trends still persist by June 2018
EMBF to 10%

increased AHSBF to 10%
EIGL 10%

removed
india
Amreits 9%
EISC

got
Manulife reits 15%....>>5% moveable to India and back to reits
Nikko 6%

now in process of changing to the 2018 port

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post Nov 3 2017, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Nov 3 2017, 12:53 AM)
TRy this?
FSM Managed Portfolios
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/fsm/manage...fo/introduction
(just 0.5% pa for Asset Under Mgmt....app RM50 per RM10000 available money)
For investors who are looking at the conventional portfolio, they can refer to our Managed Portfolio's monthly factsheet.
refer to page 475, post 9485 for how to get it...
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But they are no longer the same portfolio right? Cz i remember seeing one where they started few years back. The one u showed is a new portfolio started this may.
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QUOTE(f5calvin @ Nov 3 2017, 01:11 PM)
But they are no longer the same portfolio right? Cz i remember seeing one where they started few years back. The one u showed is a new portfolio started this may.
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yes....
i guess they wanted to practice (doing it to the Managed port) what they recommended or vice versa....
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post Nov 3 2017, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Nov 2 2017, 02:06 PM)
what is in your port?

some people get reits for port diversification purposes....
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KGF
CIMB Asia Pac
Hwang Select Bond

QUOTE(i1899 @ Nov 2 2017, 02:34 PM)
equity dividend fund,
for eg, NIKKO AM SINGAPORE DIVIDEND EQUITY FUND - MYR CLASS devil.gif
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Ok, thanks.

QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 2 2017, 02:46 PM)
What sort of support you want?

Lai lai... come support this jeh-jeh!
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Looks familiar...
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post Nov 3 2017, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 3 2017, 11:47 AM)
Word of caution to those who seems to get a hard - on each time the word IRR is being used....

IRR is a useless measure when your data is short and only have less than one year. In this instance, it gives you only a pure " shiok " sendiri feelin' , nothing more.

You want IRR, it becomes more meaningful when you have 2 years or more... I prefer three years or more.

Xuzen

p/s a little bit more on IRR. IRR is a statistical measurement that is classified as inferential statistic. For inferential stats to be meaningful, you need a large data, n. If you only have a handful of data and you use them, you risk it being a biased measurement. For example, since beginning of this year until now, the market has been on an uptrend, and if you only start to use data that is recently, you will sure get a " shiok " sendiri IRR value. Be warned.
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er.. boss, so U saying short IRR boh shiok for all except sendiri feel je VS longer/bigger better feel statistically?
<sounds so ... not right > shocking.gif laugh.gif

TGIF - poking fun ya, pls don't poke pins into that voodoo doll notworthy.gif

QUOTE(yklooi @ Nov 3 2017, 12:04 PM)
cry.gif my IRR had been impotent  cry.gif  cry.gif  brows.gif
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Birds of a feather flocks together?
Geniuses think alike?
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post Nov 3 2017, 03:35 PM

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I remember reading fundsupermart magazine long time ago. Do they still have it? If yes, where can we get?
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QUOTE(Vk21 @ Nov 3 2017, 03:35 PM)
I remember reading fundsupermart magazine long time ago. Do they still have it? If yes, where can we get?
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I don't think they're printing it anymore.
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I remember reading fundsupermart magazine long time ago. Do they still have it? If yes, where can we get?
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 3 2017, 03:37 PM)
I don't think they're printing it anymore.
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I think their office still got, i saw a couple of magazines in their office, including those promoting Managed Portfolio biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(walkman660 @ Nov 2 2017, 11:35 PM)
FSM Managed Portfolio <Moderately Aggresive>

With less than 5 months time , ROI 6.12% IRR 16.5 % . the team are doing pretty good right now i guess  rclxms.gif
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how many UTs in this portfolio ?
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QUOTE(wkalvin @ Nov 3 2017, 05:22 PM)
how many UTs in this portfolio ?
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See post 9603...it has link to get them
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hi... my cc bank called up and offer this 3.88% p.a. interest for cash advance from 12 months up to 60 months repayment period... with no any other hidden fees, or penalty for early settlement.

is it advisable to take this leverage and invest in UT? all opinions and experience are welcome, thanks in advance.

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post Nov 3 2017, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(stark4431 @ Nov 3 2017, 11:30 PM)
hi... my cc bank called up and offer this 3.88% p.a. interest for cash advance from 12 months up to 60 months repayment period... with no any other hidden fees, or penalty for early settlement.

is it advisable to take this leverage and invest in UT? all opinions and experience are welcome, thanks in advance.
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read somewhere....you need to multiply approximate 1.7 with the 3.88%
bcos what they tell you is the advertised rate/flat rate not the effective rate....
read more here
Paying high interest rates for personal loans
https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...personal-loans/

https://ringgitplus.com/en/blog/Personal-Lo...rest-Rates.html

3.88 x 1.7 = 6.6% + 2~5% sales charges for unit trusts?
how many % your UT need to make to breakeven considering the factors & RISKS of UT investing?

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post Nov 4 2017, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(wkalvin @ Nov 3 2017, 05:22 PM)
how many UTs in this portfolio ?
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12 if i am not mistaken with 30% in fixed income and 70% in equity
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This news item may be out of topic, but in line of my "future's so bright" optimism which is necessary for any investments to happen... here's a outstanding business news on local soil.

"In September 2017, Broadcom opened its global distribution warehouse at Batu Kawan Industrial Park in Penang with plans to invest RM4.1bil to expand its entire supply chain operations in Malaysia over the next 10 years."

Read more here https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...locating-to-us/

As for UT allocation, I would still be sticking to the Greater China region for the time being... here's a good perspective on China, a bit different from the usual westerner journalist/analyst's take on China.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...conomist-argues

Too many analysts approach China from a Western perspective, using frameworks that don’t fit and misread the effects of unique domestic conditions, argues Huang, who is also author of the book, “Cracking the China Conundrum: Why Conventional Economic Wisdom Is Wrong.”

As a result, he says, conventional wisdom about China overstates risks related to debt levels and property prices, while underestimating distortions produced by efforts to control the migration of rural residents into cities using the so-called hukou system of household registration.


Summary: It is not simple and easy to fully understand China, there might be more economic growth and development yet to emerge.


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QUOTE(xuzen @ Nov 2 2017, 11:45 AM)
Yah, thereabout.... slightly bigger, 2.5 Yr.

The other significant asset is my KWSP port which is double than this cash port.

I don't have properties, I don't flip prop. My wealth comes purely from salary in which I spend less than I earn, then invest the rest.

I save, then invest using DCA, i.e., the regular Joe method. I still have 20 more years thereabout till retirement.

If I have started much younger, in my twenties, I would be in a much better position now. I only started to be financially savvy in my mid 30's. I wasted ten years of time in my twenties. Having said this, I do notice some of these people who join the forum are much younger. Kudos to them to be financially savvy at such a young age. Let me tell you young people, it is worth it.... Delayed gratification is worth it! Watch your risk, let the return take care of itself....

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master Xuxen, you and a few other forumers here inspire me to start saving and investing in FSM and others. I started in late 20s (28) with about almost 150k and have never looked back since. my next aim is of course to reach a portfolio of 2 years worth of salary and hopefully + kwsp will reach a comfortable amount by the time i'm 35.
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QUOTE(thesnake @ Nov 4 2017, 12:18 PM)
master Xuxen, you and a few other forumers here inspire me to start saving and investing in FSM and others. I started in late 20s (28) with about almost 150k and have never looked back since. my next aim is of course to reach a portfolio of 2 years worth of salary and hopefully + kwsp will reach a comfortable amount by the time i'm 35.
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Good man,

Since you have benefited, it means one more soul will have less probability to go into financial distress.

Good man,

Do not forget to always give back to the society in any form of charity in the future.

Good man,

May you have the opportunity to teach others how to have financial savvy.

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